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Speaker 1: For the final time this season. It is now time

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Speaker 1: for the Mike McCarthy Show here on Sean and RJ.

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Speaker 1: Your Home of America's team is one oh five three

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Speaker 1: the fan. Good morning, coach, How are you? I'm doing well?

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Speaker 1: Good morning. Are you in the office? How long are

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Speaker 1: you gonna keep going to the office with the same

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Speaker 1: hours before you take some type of football break. I'll

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Speaker 1: be doing this through next week and then then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna take a We're gonna take a week off. I'll

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Speaker 1: go home and or not go home. I'll go back

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Speaker 1: to Green Bay and see my family. They're still up there.

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Speaker 1: So that's a vacation in Wisconsin this time of year,

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Speaker 1: it's highly recommended. But I'll just while I'm working through

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Speaker 1: all of our actually interview process, you know, will continue

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Speaker 1: to do that through the weekend, and I think i'll

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Speaker 1: complete that round Thursday next week. What is the driveway

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Speaker 1: shoveling situation when you go back up to Wisconsin? Do

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Speaker 1: you pay someone to do that or you get yourself? Well,

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Speaker 1: definitely in the you know, in a higher echelon when

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Speaker 1: You know, when when the season's over, how do you

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Speaker 1: consume your sport? Like? How do you consume the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Like this weekend? Will you be glued to the TV

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Speaker 1: do you consume the playoffs when you don't make it? Well,

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Speaker 1: you you watched the flight now, I know I do.

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Speaker 1: Personally you watch the playoffs. It's more about watching the games. Um.

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Speaker 1: camaraderie and the energy and the building of you walk

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Speaker 1: Well what was COVID or the injuries? Like obviously both

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Speaker 1: tears over the phone as we conduct this interview, Coach

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Speaker 1: before a couple of things. People try to your tears.

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Speaker 1: We enjoyed having you. We even we've enjoyed it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just want to play along. I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: You're not necessarily coming from a small program over in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: What was it? What was it like working with Jerry?

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Speaker 1: Was it much more of a circus when he makes

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Speaker 1: They're very respectful to the vision of the football program

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Speaker 1: that's something I truly believe in. That's that's the way

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Speaker 1: I've always coached and installed a football program as a

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Speaker 1: You know, this is part of it. I'm just the

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Speaker 1: I guess it was after the game on Sunday, you know,

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Speaker 1: Last one, coach, you've had a will to think about

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Speaker 1: So when things like that happened, um, I mean going

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Speaker 1: But there was a number of catches actually in that game.

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Speaker 1: I mean god, I mean I think that's that's only natural.

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Speaker 1: and uh, but you know, there's there was still at

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Speaker 1: Christ That was a long answer, Hope. I then go

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Speaker 1: over there, Coach, you can talk as long as you want.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate hey man. We've really enjoyed it throughout the

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Speaker 1: entire season. Fun back and forth, the honesty and your

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Speaker 1: that we've been doing this. So thank you. Mike. Better

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Speaker 1: luck in the off season then this year record wise,

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Speaker 1: and have fun shoveling. Yeah, no doubt why. You look

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Speaker 1: forward to meet you guys in persons someday and all

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Speaker 1: the best. Thank you.