WEBVTT - Vita Vea Trade Request, Baker's Dilemma and All-Under-25 Team 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.560 Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're a long way away 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.200 from being eligible for the All Under twenty five team. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.280 I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm with a man who's well over 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.919 twenty five as well. It's Nick Shook. He wrote the 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.520 article we're going to be talking about a little later, 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.599 but not before we get to some news. First day. 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.200 Teams are all showing up to training camp, and like 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.720 as we're taping, more and more news is popping, like 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.440 the Jalen Carter contract just now. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.600 Yeah, you know, teams, players show up, contracts get done 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.800 apparently when you need a little FaceTime just to get 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.040 the pen on the paper. I don't know what it is, 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.760 but it's it's flying left and right. And you know what, Greg, 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.159 You're right about the All under twenty five. As I 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.320 get older, I just thank god. I'm thinking myself in 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.960 athlete years and I'm close to retirement in athlete years. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.000 That's rough. That's a rough admission. 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:58.320 It is eye opening when you realize, yeah, you're older 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:02.240 than almost everyone you're unquote covering, so you're almost there, Shook, 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.240 I'm proud of you. You really know you're old when 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.640 you start calling like professional athletes kids if they're in 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:09.720 their young twenties. 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:11.520 Yeah, it's pretty much where we are. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:15.040 Yeah, let's talk about the Bucks first, so I will 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:19.360 get to that Jalen Carter contract extension. We have some news, 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.680 and like I mentioned, we're going to talk about Shook's 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.640 All Under twenty five team. It is an amazing list 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.320 to be on. All the players want to be on. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.959 It's highly coveted, and he had his big list out 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.000 on NFL dot com. But we'll start with the Bucks, 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.440 who had two big items of news. Vita Vea has 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.319 requested a trade and Baker Mayfield has showed up to 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.279 training camp with the news that he will no longer 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.800 negotiate a contract and he will be a free agent 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.040 after the year. Have thoughts on that one, but let's 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:53.160 start with the vita Vea news because it was more surprising. 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.760 I think there's a real chance he ends up back 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.080 with the Bucks and that this is just negotia. Nick, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:06.800 let's start with the odds that you think Videvea could 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.560 actually get traded. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:13.200 Oh God, I mean, I think it's it's less than 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.640 like fifty percent possible. UK, just because I don't think 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.240 that he's it's not that he's not an excellent player, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.040 because he is, but you have to consider age with 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.040 this in contract demands. 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:23.040 He's thirty one years old. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.240 It's going to be hard to find a partner that 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.120 is going to be willing to give up the capital 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.080 necessary to acquire Vita Vea that the Buccaneers will demand 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.960 without considering his age. And then also there's the idea 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.639 of you acquire him to then extend him, and he's 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.919 going to want money that mirrors his production. That's where 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:42.440 the way it gets weird is because he was a 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.480 rookie in twenty eighteen, which is crazy because it feels 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.080 like just yesterday I was listening to him talk at 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.679 the combine. But that's how quickly time goes and how 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.280 fast these things can change. So I think that you're right. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.880 They do come to terms on an agreement eventually. I 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.680 don't think it lands near the money that he wants, 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:57.720 though there's going to be. It could be a drawn 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.360 out process. And the weird thing about this is that 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:00.799 he's going to be a training camp but they don't 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.840 know about his participation yet. I anticipate a hold in. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.840 We'll see how long that goes on and whether that 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.799 force is either side's hand, but I don't think that. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.000 I think it's gonna take a lot of negotiating. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.919 A lot more than has happened so far, which led 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.240 to this trade request, and it's a really weird time 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.360 for Jason light the general manager of the Buccaneers. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.320 It is really tricky between this one and the Baker 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.919 Mayfield contract, because I think they're both complicated. I would 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.000 put the over under if I had been setting it 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.200 for you, like around thirty five percent, which is actually 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.200 high in my mind. I think there's a legitimate chance 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.240 he could get traded. I think the most likely outcome, 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.200 the one that makes the most sense for the Bucks 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.880 as long as Vidave was okay for it with it, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:46.320 would be to get a big one year raise and 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.880 they just make him happy by making him a top 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:54.360 five to eight top defensive tackle for money this year. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.840 Is that enough to get him into the building and 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.320 just happy and they're not worrying about the long term 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.520 of it all. I put it as high as thirty percent, though, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.680 because I think the Bucks don't want to give him 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.040 a big contract. He is older than most people that 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.240 were drafted back in twenty eighteen. He was an old prospect. 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.719 He's a very unique player. John Ledyard, who I really respected, 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:18.680 did a list on his sub stack. People should check 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.320 that out. Audibles and analytics. He had him as the 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.720 number twelve defensive tackle that feels about right where he lands, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.440 like he gives you pass rush that most guys that 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.880 strong don't. But he's not peaked Exter Lawrence. He's not 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.800 Jalen Carter. You know, he's not Jeffrey Simmons. Though you 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.960 know Jalen Carter we're going to get to is making 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.080 thirty four million dollars a year on his extension, and 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.800 Vidavey is at eighteen, so I could see him getting 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.400 a big raise. He's also a type of player that 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.960 it's just tricky body size, how much he's actually on 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.479 the field. Do you want to be paying huge money 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.280 for his age thirty two that's next season, age thirty 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.640 three season maybe, But it's all about like where the 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.560 guaran Teas would be. And yet, if you're Vita Vea 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.520 and you're like, if I had hit free agency, if 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.440 for instance, I have to write about it, I'm now 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.000 going from his voice to my voice. I'm now Greg Rosenthal. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:15.000 If I have to write about it like some team 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.120 like Tyler Linden Bram got twenty eight million dollars like 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.240 Fight a Veil would make it an insane amount of 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.200 money if he actually got out there. And so it's complicated. 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.040 He's complicated. You don't think so, I'm not sure because 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.080 we're in this weird place now where veteran d tackles 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:29.480 I think. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.760 Are valued more than they've been over the last decade. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.360 I think about guys like I used the Browns as 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.600 an example because they were plugging their defensive interior with 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.200 veterans for years. It was Sheldon Richardson, More recently it 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.839 was MALIEK. Collins and Shelby Harris, and they do still 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.320 carry value both with experience and production if you can 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.320 marry the two and prove that that's still within a player. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.080 But I'm glad that you brought up the dexter lawrence 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.839 and the connection to the Bengals, because I think that 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.040 there's actually could mirror what happened with Trey Hendrickson and 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.680 the Bengals last year, which is that they gave him 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.560 that one year raise and they basically agreed after this done. 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.640 I like that that is your projection, is that that 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.799 could be the possible outcome of a just a hefty 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.280 one year raise and then you part your ways, because 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.120 let's think about it at thirty two years old. Yeah, 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:10.719 you might cash in with a team that's desperate for 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.480 defensive interior help, that believes that they can win now, 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.480 but that market's going to be a lot smaller. So 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.320 it's a very very precarious situation for Vidavea to be in. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.160 But I also understand because if you look at him 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.400 versus the rest of the market, he's pretty far down 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.760 the list. He's behind Cam Hayward, He's just slightly ahead 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.360 of Ed Oliver, He's behind Christian Barmore, Kenny Clark, Leonard Williams. 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.599 In terms of apy way at the top is Jeff 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.280 Simmons at thirty five point two. We got vidave at 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.880 seventeen point seven, so he's not going to double it, 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.719 but he's got to climb a little bit based on 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.560 his production. I don't think the Buccaneers are necessarily going 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.479 to be the team willing to do that over multiple years. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.680 Right, Milton Williams got about twenty six per year last year? 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.680 Would he be asking for something around then? Are the 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:53.000 Bucks at all worried about the fan base? He's beloved. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.240 They just lost Mike Evans, the most beloved player on 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:01.760 the roster. Their quarterback is entering a free agent year. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.000 Vidavea is now probably the most beloved player on the roster. 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:10.040 It's actually a relatively young team and he is still productive. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.960 He tied with Byron Murphy for the most pressures last 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.840 season of anyone from a zero one or two technique, 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.800 which is you know about how far you are and 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.800 what gap you're in geared to the ball, basically a 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.800 gap or right over the nose. He was second in 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.440 double team's face and that's partly because of the position 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.640 that he plays. But he's unique, and if he's declined, 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.760 I think it's only, you know, by a little. He's 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.680 kind of a one of one and so it's tricky 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.560 and why I give it as high as thirty thirty 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.760 five percent, Like, yeah, sounds like a lot. You got 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.560 to pay him the money and give up what I 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.600 would imagine would be a second round pick. I think 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.680 that might get it done. I don't think a third 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.480 should get that done. I mean, we just saw like 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.840 Trent McDuffie go for a lot like hendrickson the original 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.760 Max Crosby trade. The Dexter Lawrence trade what Miles Garrett is. 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.440 I know if Vitave is not at this level, but 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.200 you know, Odiggy Zuos is one that's a little lower 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.280 for a third. But like people are giving up picks, 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.360 people are just doing things, and there are there is 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.080 a lot of cap room out there. And so there 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.600 was a report that he wanted to play for a 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.760 West Coast team California. His former GM is with the Raiders. 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.800 To me, that makes no sense. Why would they do that? 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:20.320 You know, who has the most cap space in the 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.440 NFL right now? It sort of doesn't make sense to me. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.960 It's the San Francisco forty nine. How about Vida Veya? 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.440 Just how about him adding to that group? Give up 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.480 another draft pick? This team's old anyways, you have so 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.400 much cap space, like a team that's trying to win 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.080 like that. Could it be at arms race, you know 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:38.560 in the NFC West. That would be fun. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.840 Yeah, I think that would be very exciting for forty 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.720 nine Ers fans that are looking for reasons to you know, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.400 I mean they're already excited based on what the team 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:47.840 did last year, and then they think, well, we're gonna 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:48.440 be healthy this year. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:49.520 So they're gonna have a better chance. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.680 It would be another thorn or another you know, twist 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.480 of the knife and Buccaneers fans hearts if they were 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.000 to use Mike evanston Niners and then trade Vida Veya 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.000 to the Niners and just kind of make this whole thing. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:01.839 It's funny because I got a text from one of 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.760 my closest friends who is a diehard Buccaneers fan going 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.600 way back to when we were you know, kids, We 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.040 met in high school, and he just texted me out 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.560 of nowhere, this Bucks blow up and rebuild is going 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.680 to be legendary, lol, Basically him coping with the idea 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.200 that more of his favorite players are going to be gone. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.800 Soon, that that's a good transition to Baker Mayfield, who 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.560 showed up to camp and according to Greg Auman of 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.920 Fox Sports, who was a longtime beat writer there too, 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.960 said he showed up with the intention that contract tacts, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.360 contract talks are over, that they maybe never even really happened, 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.640 and Baker Mayfield doesn't want the distraction. ESPN said earlier 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.240 this week Jeremy Fowler that Baker Mayfield was comfortable, you know, 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.000 if if they had to use the franchise tag on 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:46.760 him next year, he would be comfortable with that, and 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.440 that would be you know, upwards of forty five close 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.320 to fifty million dollars a year if they had to 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:57.520 tag him. It makes sense for both sides, really, but 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:02.880 especially the Buccaneers. And yet Baker Mayfield on a prove 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:08.360 it contract year has some recipe to be chaotic in 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.200 maybe a good way for us as podcasters, but maybe 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.000 not the best if you're a Bucksman. 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.120 Yeah, I don't know. 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.040 If you saw Netflix's new quarterback season this year, have 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.400 Baker one of them. I almost feel like he came 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.960 to the realization that, hey, maybe trying to play through 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.800 every injury to give my team the best chance of success, 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.439 and also to be stubborn because I refuse to go 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.400 off the field as not the best move for me. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.720 He reflected on him, you know, suffering a shoulder injury 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.360 with the Browns and it kind of derailing his time there, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.040 and then he experiences a similar thing with the Buccaneers 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.840 this past season as part of their late season meltdown. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:45.720 And now he's going to go into a contract year 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.800 in which you know, he's going to have to prove 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.520 to them that he's worthy of another extension. But it's 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.240 funny because I don't really necessarily think that he Like 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.640 I think he's earned more than that in his time 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.559 with the Buccaneers. Like, let's think about where they were 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.080 as a franchise post Tom Brady. They had no idea 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.960 where they were going. Oh, Baker Mayfield happens to be 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.000 out there, needs a job, Let's take a flyer on him. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.880 He succeeds, Let's give him a three year extension. Because 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.760 we still really don't fully believe in him, but we 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.760 believe in him enough to give him a three year extension. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:14.880 It's almost like he still is never going to earn 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.640 the trust of this front office that he needs to 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.880 to really get this contract that he desires. And it 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.719 feels as if he is aware of that at this 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.080 point and is going to take that, put the chip 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:24.600 on his shoulder and make it even bigger than it 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.839 already is and say, fine, I'll just go prove to 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.680 you that I'm worth all the money this year. But 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.400 is he going to risk it by playing through a 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.559 potential another injury if he were to get injured again. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.199 Obviously you don't want any players to get hurt, but 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.320 it's like there's a weird balance between the two of 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.720 like contract year, Stubborn got to prove my point, but 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.480 also have experienced in recent years that playing through injury 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:45.719 is not the best. So it's gonna be one of 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.000 those things that we're going to monitor week by week 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.200 throughout this season. Because he's got the most to lose 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.240 this year, he also has a lot to gain. And 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.480 he's also one of the streakiest quarterbacks in the NFL. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.920 Right the streakiness you hit it there, the pressure of 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.720 it all like it could be electric. You know, Joe 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.600 Flacco's Super Bowl run and him finishing on the NFL 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.440 network desk and literally saying like, well that that contract's 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.600 going to be expensive after he won the Super Bowl 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.800 and the owner like having to fork over the biggest 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:18.280 contract ever. It's high variance. And yet when I watched that, 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:22.280 Baker comes across as very likable, much more mature. I 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.000 have a lot of thoughts on that quarterback. I think 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.200 I haven't been able to finish it the first couple 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.840 of times because I just found it boring the first 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.319 two seasons. I thought this season was easily the best 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.640 one because Jayden Daniels was probably the only one to 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:39.000 me that wasn't ultra compelling, But Flacco, Baker, and especially 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.160 cam Ward all really dynamic in different ways. Cam Word 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:46.840 was incredible. But it got me thinking about Baker of like, man, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.040 his career outcome, it could have been, it could have 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.640 been different, worse in a lot of different ways. Like 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.200 he's really carved out like a pretty incredible career. And 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.000 even when he's going through all these injuries and yeah, 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.840 he's drinking beers at the New York City Marathon and 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.120 he's just he's not a big guy. You do wonder 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.800 how he's gonna age a little bit, Like have we 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.040 already seen the peak of Baker Mayfield. I feel like 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.280 that's possible. I could he could have another big season 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:18.160 or two, Like it's certainly possible. But he hasn't won 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:22.800 with overwhelming physical skills. He's an extremely accurate quarterback with 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.600 a great arm, don't get me wrong. Like he's very 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:29.320 athletic and you can keep to like, but he is streaky. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.280 The whole chip on his shoulder, like cliche in the 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.400 mentality does seem like it really does matter for him 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.160 a lot, and like those players are validable and like 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.920 he's had a volatile career. So you do wonder if, 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.520 like you know, the Bucks are a little worried. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.079 About I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:47.880 Limb here, And I think you're right because they worry, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.160 like well, his style of play, his build. Is it 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.320 really the long term success that we're looking for in 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.960 a quarterback, especially as he's thirty years old now, which 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.160 again reminds me of my. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:57.400 Age thirty one, thirty one? 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:02.920 Okay, even worse, how about this for a career ender, 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.160 like an ending arc. 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:05.680 This is a bit of a reach. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.120 And I understand this because they're not the same quarterback, 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:09.760 but I do see some similarities. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.040 Do you remember. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.200 John Elway's physical state in his last like three to 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:16.439 four years in the NFL. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.280 Yes, one of the most physically dominant quarterbacks of all time. Yes, 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:22.160 I hear what you're saying. 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.480 But age hit him pretty hard. Now we all remember, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.000 you know, the helicopter hit in the super Bowl. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.360 And everything else. That was one of his defining moments 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:29.440 of his career and everything else. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.120 If you trunk that down in terms of timeline and 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.360 then reduced the overall athletic ability, you could maybe find 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.720 a comparison during the two so it could it could 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.000 drop off a lot sharper and it could be a 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.160 bad situation for them, So I understand their hesitance. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.200 Baker just looks like a normal dude a lot of 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:46.960 the time, which. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.640 Is yes, he's not built like saros No. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:53.240 For an NFL player. I mentioned the Jalen Carter contract. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.760 We'll move on from Baker because we'll be talking about 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.360 him plenty, but just a lot on the line. By 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.640 the way, free agents next year, I've already started looking, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.200 you know, talk about a guy who would be excited 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.200 to hit the free agent market. I mean he would 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.200 get a good contract. Him and Kyler Murray right now 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.040 are the class of the potential free agents. Mac Jones, 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.720 Kirk Cousins, you know, to like it's it's not great. 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.840 It's basically him and Kyler at the top. So great 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.000 quarterbacks don't get to free agency. Great defensive tackles don't either. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.880 Jalen Carter didn't even get to the second to last 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.320 year of his rookie contract because they had already put 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.000 a fifth year option on So what they did on 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:32.680 Tuesday is they extended him four years, which means it's 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.320 a total six year contract. The extension part of it 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.720 is four years, one hundred and fifty two million with 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.800 a one hundred and six million dollars guaranteed. So hit 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.720 you know, topping one hundred million dollars guaranteed is big 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.840 time the next three years, essentially knowing that are are 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.640 going to be locked up. That said, they he gives 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.600 up his control for six years. If you tack on 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.640 the years that were already on his contract, it's more 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.920 like a six for one to eighty. Then it's thirty 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.800 one per year. And more importantly, like that, the percentage 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.200 of the cap is going to go down and down 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.160 and down as you go. My takeaway when the contract 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.160 is this long for such young players, the Eagles will 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.240 have Jalen Carter on their roster as long as they 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:18.920 want to for the rest of his career. He is 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.800 giving up that control. If he has a Hall of 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.560 Fame caliber, all pro type of career, he's going to 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.600 be an Eagle until he's ineffective. And that's what you 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.200 give up when you when you take this much guaranteed money, 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.040 this long and contract and makes a lot of sense 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:33.640 for both sides. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:34.240 Yeah, it does. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.400 I felt like this is obviously the big question mark 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.840 that was next on Howie Rosman's agenda when it came 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:41.720 to who's he going to extend next? 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.040 That are these key pieces. And I know that. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.360 There had been some chatter that maybe they weren't long 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.800 for each other. But anybody who's got a working pair 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.200 of eyes and understands football knows how important he is 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.560 to this team. Anybody who watched this defense play last 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.040 year when they didn't have him knows how important he 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.200 is to this team. And so if you go try 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.640 to go through exactly real quick and contextualize all this, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.600 Ye're like, well, he wasn't an All Pro last year. Yeah, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.000 he played eleven games, got himself tossed from the first 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.720 game of the season before it even started. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:09.760 Was a little up and down. Was a little up 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.280 and down, you like, sometimes he's kind of been up 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.440 and down his whole career though, to be honest, Yes, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:15.280 so you think. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:19.840 Lash plays are so big that they justify the lulls. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.000 And we can always go back to their run to 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.040 the Super Bowl two seasons ago as a concrete example 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.080 of how important he is to that team. On that 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.760 you know, fantastic defensive front that they have, so while 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:31.600 you keep key guys like this on your team and 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.520 continue to try to retool around them. You're following the 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.200 Chiefs method to a degree, but in the Howie Roseman fashion, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.120 this makes a lot of sense. This is money that's 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.080 well deserved, and as long as he can stay healthy, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.120 he'll probably prove that he's worth it. And like you said, 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.360 as the years go on, the cap continues to increase, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.000 it's going to be more and more team friendly. 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.640 Where does it play him? You said it was one. 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.240 I mean it would be. It depends on the way 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.600 that schefter frames it. In the agent's Drew Rosenhouse, so 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.200 he cites so it's it's to make the agent look better. 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.600 Carter is the highest paid defensive tackle by about three 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.240 million over Jeffrey Simmons, who's three million over Chris Jones, 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.720 Dexter Lawrence, and Milton Williams last. But that's only counting 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.840 the extension money. I'd have to go into like how 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.760 their deals worked with the extension, but either way, even 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.639 on average for the six years, he's over thirty million dollars. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.880 We are now at that point where defensive linemen are 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:25.080 making quarterback money. Okay, Jalen Carter is making quarterback money 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.879