1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: I'm Ryan and kare with Garrett Downing and we are 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: going to talk about the Eagles win over the Kansas 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: City Chiefs in the Super Bowl and ending their chances 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: at a three peat and what our takeaways are from 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: that game as it pertains to the Ravens. 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: Are there any lessons learned? 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: What do you kind of take away from that as 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: well as what it's going to take for the Ravens 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl in twenty twenty six out 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: in San Francisco. 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, not a bad place to go out, Yeah you go. 13 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, look wherever the super Bowl is, you can 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 3: play it. Wherever the Ravens are there. It's going to 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: be a good day. 16 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: Yes, So, Garrett, Obviously a dominant performance by the Eagles 17 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 2: forty to twenty two. Really that game gosh got away 18 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: from the Chiefs early on. And where do you start 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: when you look at that as it pertains to the Ravens. 20 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a couple things stand out to me. 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: One is that but the Eagles team that I saw 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 3: in that game when we watched them play the Ravens 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: earlier this year, we came away from that game saying, man, 24 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: the Eagles are good, and the Eagles have a defensive 25 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 3: front that's really difficult. They're going to cause problems for 26 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: a lot of teams. That caused problems for the Ravens 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 3: when they played here in Baltimore late in the season. 28 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: And it's like that defensive front is disruptive. And that 29 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 3: to me was the biggest thing that stood out and 30 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: watching that game is that is the way that the 31 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: Eagles absolutely controlled the line of scrimmage really on both sides, 32 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 3: but particularly on the defensive side. They were disruptive the 33 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: entire game. And I think that that was the biggest factor. 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 3: I know, Jalen Hurts won the MVP and he played 35 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: really well. He had a great game, but like, if 36 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 3: I could just give it to a body of a 37 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: body of players, it would have been the defensive front 38 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: for the Eagles because I thought they controlled the game 39 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: and that made the biggest difference. 40 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree with that. 41 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: I think that you go through it and the Eagles 42 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: were loaded up front and they have hit on like 43 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: every pick front in recent years. I mean you look 44 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: at all right, Nolan Smith, first round pick, great pass 45 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: rusher who didn't get a sack in the game in 46 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, but was had three in the postseason 47 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: for the Eagles. Jalen Carter first round pick, Jordan Davis, 48 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: first round pick, Jallex Hunter Jaylyx Hunt, a third round 49 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: pick in twenty eighteen. He had the pressure that led 50 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: to an interception in the Super Bowl. Josh Sweat, fourth 51 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,279 Speaker 2: round pick in twenty eighteen, had two and a half sacks. 52 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: In the Super Bowl. 53 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 2: Milton Williams the defensive tackles, two sacks in the Super Bowl, 54 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: third round pick in twenty twenty one. Like, they have 55 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: just taken shots in the draft continuously on these pass 56 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: rushers and defensive tackles. And you know, I mean, you 57 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: spend first round picks back to back years on defensive 58 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: tackles with Jordan Davis and then and then Jalen Carter. 59 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: That's investing a lot of resources there that it's like, man, 60 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 2: can you afford to invest in other places? But it works, 61 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then this year they 62 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: took two corners up high. I mean, they took Quinnon 63 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: Mitchell in the first round, Cooper Degenie. You had to 64 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: pick six in the Super Bowl in the first and 65 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: second round, so like kind of to me. Two points 66 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: from that one, it underscores the Ravens build through the 67 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: draft philosophy and that that's really what the Eagles have done. 68 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: I think that the Ravens and the Eagles, it's hard. 69 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: You know, they are at the top of the pack 70 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: when it comes to drafting, hitting on draft picks, and 71 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: it underscores to me the importance of like the Ravens 72 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: are on the right path. This is how you build 73 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: a championship team is you continue to hit picks in 74 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: the draft and build from within right. Also, I think 75 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: it underscores like keep taking your shots at pass rusher 76 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: and in the trenches, like those are those are good 77 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: investments because if you can just keep rolling these these 78 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: disruptive pass rushers. 79 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: The Eagles didn't didn't blitz the whole game. They did 80 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: not blitz once. 81 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: And so if you can get four man pressure like 82 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: they did on my home and this is the this 83 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: is the task for the Ravens. 84 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: It's you got to beat the Chiefs. That's the team 85 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: you gotta beat. 86 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: And you just saw the blueprint get after them with 87 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: that four man pressure up front and Mames just he 88 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: didn't have a shot. I mean, he was just running 89 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: around for his life the whole game, and so I 90 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: think that it kind of underscores to me, Hey, does 91 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: it does it move outside linebacker? Does that edge up 92 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: the priority list you know of this offseason? 93 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. 94 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: In terms of the Eagles and the Ravens just how 95 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: they're constructed very similarly, I think, and just philosophy wise. Now, 96 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: both teams have augmented in free agency with some splash players, 97 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: namely at running back. For both teams, they had the 98 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: two best running backs in the league this year, Saquan 99 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: and Derrick Henry, who were both free agent signings this offseason, 100 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 3: who both had monster seasons, so pretty good moves there. 101 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 3: The Eagles of course, had aj Brown, who has been 102 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 3: a terrific player for them, who they acquired in a trade. 103 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: So they made more of a splash at the wide 104 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: receiver front through through free agency a trade option than 105 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: the Ravens have done at that spot. But the Ravens 106 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: also tried that a year ago with Odell Beckham Junior. 107 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: They made a big splash there going back to the 108 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three season, so they've built. 109 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: That Brown was in his prime when they traded for 110 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: him in different places of their career. 111 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: But in terms of injecting like a potential star at 112 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: that position, the Ravens have tried that too. 113 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: Of course, they've tried that in their history. 114 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: You go back to like Amkuon Bolden and Steve Smith. 115 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: There's been different ways that they've done that, but generally 116 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: that's been guys later in the career rather than a J. 117 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: Brown who was in the prime of his career looking 118 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: for a big contract. So that's one thing that the 119 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: Ravens have not done at the receiver position. I think 120 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: like to that level of like going basically paying one 121 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: of the highest paid wide receivers in free agency. 122 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: But I think overall, like just big. 123 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: Picture wise, I think these teams are constructed similarly. They 124 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: both have their quarterback who are now on their second tracts, 125 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: big time contracts. They build through the draft. They are 126 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 3: good drafting teams, they value those draft picks, they're they're 127 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: run well in that way. So I think that there's 128 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: a lot of similarities there. I think that like a 129 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 3: takeaway from me when you asked, does outside linebacker shoot 130 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: up the draft board? I just like the defensive front 131 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: like you went you just went through the first round 132 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: picks that the Eagles have invested in that position. They 133 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: just look down at Georgia and say, hey, who's Georgia 134 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 3: guy there. Let's just take this guy in the first 135 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: round on the defensive line, and it's worked out pretty well. 136 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 3: Like Jordan Davis was taking one pick in front of 137 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: Kyle Hamilton, there was a lot of smoke at that 138 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: time that maybe the Ravens are interested, and the Eagles 139 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 3: actually jumped in front of the Ravens. I think the 140 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 3: Ravens are quite happy with Kyle Hamilton out, no complaints there. 141 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: But I think that investing in that defensive line, not 142 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: just outside linebacker, but defensive line, defensive end, like those positions. 143 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: I wonder, now. 144 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: You're speaking my language. But then I just finished my 145 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: rant about. 146 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: The defensive end could be a high priority, probably already 147 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: in the draft. I do think that maybe, seeing the 148 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: way that the Eagles completely controlled the line of scrimmage, 149 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 3: I do wonder if not just the Ravens, but of 150 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: teams are going to say, let's maybe put a little 151 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: higher priority on defensive end, defensive tackle, and like invest 152 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: in the trenches. 153 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: Now the Ravens have invested there. 154 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: I mean it just gave just Nom the Matabike, you know, 155 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: a huge contract extension. So it's you know, let's keep 156 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: that in mind and nom the I think obviously the 157 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: Ravens had the best run defense in the league this year, 158 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: so they did quite well on that front. It remains 159 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: to be seen. You know, Brent Urban is a free agent. 160 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: You know, what's Michael Pierce's future? How much longer does 161 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: he want to play? They have Travis Jones, who I 162 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: think is a rising star on this defense. But you know, 163 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: could you make another early draft pick at defensive tackle. Yeah, 164 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: I think he could, you know, keep supplementing that via 165 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 2: the draft. And then to me, it's outside linebacker. And 166 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: the Ravens have a daf Aoway who the arrow is 167 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: still very much pointing up for him, just came off 168 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: a season with ten sacks, and so you know, can 169 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: he develop into that kind of take it to the 170 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: next level, that Josh Sweat kind of level, that super 171 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: disruptive guy who's getting a lot of fast wins and 172 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: all those things, like, I think he certainly can. I 173 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: think has the talent to be one of the premier 174 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: guys in the league. 175 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: You just have the best season his career doubled exactly 176 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: the first time. 177 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: And then you have Kyle van Noy and some of 178 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: these other you know, younger players, Tavis Robinson, you know. 179 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: But I think that seeing the Eagles just continue to 180 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: take shots and roll these guys in waves to keep 181 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: everybody fresh and keep getting after the passer, to me, 182 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: it would not surprise me if they If the Ravens 183 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: look at that, you know, they're going to do their 184 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 2: own thing regardless, but I think that it could reinforce. 185 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: Yep. 186 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: We need to have a really strong pass rush. You 187 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 2: have to disrupt Patrick Mahomes. It just has to be 188 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: able to disrupt him. 189 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: But at the Eagles, it's more beien on the interior 190 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: defensive line that they've endrusted investment Nolan Smith. 191 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: Noles Smith was one, but so was a Dafe Oway. 192 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: So the Ravens, I guess, yeah. 193 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: Josh Sweat was a fourth rounder. Alx Hunt was a 194 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: third round pick. 195 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: Yep. So the Ravens have done it. 196 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: Like Adiza, Isaac kind of had a richer year this year, 197 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: but like the Ravens like him. Of course, he was 198 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: a their round pick last year, so you hope that 199 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: he develops and Tavious Robinson was a fourth Robinson was 200 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: a fourth round pick who I thought made a big 201 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: jombp from year one a year two. I don't think 202 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: Davis Robinson is going to be like he may not 203 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: ever be a double digitsack guy, but a really good 204 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: rugged player who I think is like the kind of 205 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: guy that you need. 206 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: So like, I don't think either. 207 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: I think both of us look at the defensive front 208 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: and I don't think the Ravens are like by any 209 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: means and dire straits there. 210 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: They've got a really good foundation and they Yeah, I 211 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: think the Ravens have a good defensive front. 212 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: Like, I think that they could still invest in it 213 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: to take it to another level. But I think that like, 214 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: you're in a good spot if you're you know, Baltimore 215 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 2: is in a good spot with this defensive front as 216 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: it exists, and can you plug in. 217 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: Obviously, there's tons of. 218 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: Ravens fans now with Miles Garrett saying you want to 219 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 2: request a trade to salivate over the idea of Miles Garrett, 220 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: Good goodness, Gricious, that would be awesome. You know, whether 221 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: that's feasible or not, or whether you're willing to give 222 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: up what it would take to get him, even if 223 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: the Browns were to trade him, Even if the Browns 224 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: were to trade him to a division rival. 225 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: That would take eight a lot. 226 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, But like short of that, I think that you 227 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: could still certainly make more investments to take it to 228 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: another level in your defensive front. Yeah, but the Ravens 229 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: have pretty big needs at corner and safety too. 230 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: So that's the thing too, is like you look at 231 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: the Eagles, as you can tell, you like looking at 232 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: their team and their defense. So they took a first 233 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: round pick in the twenties and Quinyon Mitchell right before 234 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: the Ravens. Then there was a lot if you remember 235 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: go back to the draft this year, there was a 236 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: lot of smoke about whether the Ravens would take Cooper 237 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: de Gene at pick number thirty last year, and they 238 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: ended of course taking Date Wiggins yep, and then. 239 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: Went not too long after early second round. 240 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: And so there there's a lot of talk there, And 241 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 3: I remember on basically being on the clock and both 242 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: you and I kind of looking at each other being like, 243 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: is it going to be de Jene, Like that could 244 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: be the pick there, and and so the Eagles end 245 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: up taking him in the second round. I mean, both 246 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 3: you and I really liked him, thought he was a 247 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: really good player. Has a similar profile in some ways 248 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: to Kyle Hamilton. Has to do it all type guy, 249 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: Like not as much of a guy who can play 250 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage the way Kyle Hamilton can, 251 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: but like a lot of similarity. 252 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: Play in the slot, and he can play outside too, 253 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: Like he's a jack of all trades. 254 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Swiss army knife. So Ravens kind of already had 255 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: that guy. 256 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: So they went and they got like the true cover 257 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: corner outside cornerback in the name of. 258 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: What Quina Mitchell is correct outside corner. So they went 259 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: and they got him. 260 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 3: And I think that Wiggans was a great pick and 261 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: and so, but I think it speaks what the point 262 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: I'm trying to make is. I think it speaks to 263 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: the way that these teams, like structurally are built in 264 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: a similar way. Cooper dejen is to do it all 265 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 3: guy for for Philly, Kyle Hamilton. This is to do 266 00:11:59,000 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: it all guy for the Ravens. 267 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: To see a lot of similarities, Yeah, yeah, I do. 268 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 3: Mitchell Mitchell is an outside corner, Drew cover corner. 269 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: That's what Nate Wigan says. 270 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, I do see a lot of similarities between 271 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: these two teams in between the defenses, and I think 272 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 2: that at the top of the list for the Ravens 273 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: this offseason, I think is to get their defense to 274 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: the next level, right, And we saw down the stretch 275 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: that it played a lot better as the number one defense, 276 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: you know, week eleven through the end of the regular season. 277 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: But there's no doubt if the Ravens can kind of 278 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: take it to the next level and get takeaways and 279 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: cause more disruption. Like that's what it boiled down to 280 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: for the Eagles. It wasn't just stopping the opponent in 281 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: terms of yards, but you had to pick six. You 282 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: had an interception down in the red zone on a 283 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: great play by Zach Bonn. I mean that was just 284 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: a free agency signing that just you know, that. 285 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 3: Was kind of bad, But that was like your version 286 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 3: of a Kyle Van Noys signing. You get like a 287 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: veteran player who you plug in, who'd played different spots 288 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: at different teams and then he's an All Pro. Yeah, 289 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: like pretty similar to a Kyle Van Noys signing. 290 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean different because they made bond it in 291 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: side linebacker and the Ravens made Fanoy a pass rusher. 292 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: But they just basically flipped what they had been in 293 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: their careers. But like similar type of like savvy veteran 294 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: free agents signing that really really hit. 295 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah exactly. 296 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: But like you know, for the Ravens, if they can 297 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: get their defense to that kind of level, to the 298 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: disruption level that the Eagles did, uh and and really 299 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: matched mary the Ravens defense with the Ravens offense, like, 300 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 2: I think that they can be just as strong as 301 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: the Eagles were this past season. And you have the 302 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: run game just like the Eagles did. You know the 303 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: Eagles also have a very strong offensive line. They've really 304 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: built through that O line and you know, hit on 305 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: a number of guys there, and so I think that 306 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: Ravens will continue to do that. And that's another takeaway 307 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: from this game is kind of on the flip side, 308 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: the Chiefs struggled at left tackle this year, gave up 309 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: six sacks in Super Bowl and just couldn't block from 310 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: homes in the Super Bowl. And and really they had 311 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: Kingsley's I'm tell you who is another player that we 312 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: talked about a lot leading up to the draft last year, 313 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: drafted him rate one pick after Roger Rosengarten really kind 314 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: of put the left tackle job on a silver platter 315 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: for him, and he lost that job. That starting job 316 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: early in the season didn't last very long. Then they 317 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: were kind of just plugging guys in trying to find 318 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: trying to find a fit. Ended up moving a veteran 319 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: guard over there, Juni exactly, and then he struggled in 320 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. So it also another takeaway from the 321 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: Super Bowl is like left tackle, if you're gonna win 322 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, you got to have a left tackle 323 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: that can that can block, that can protect your quarterbacks 324 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: blind side, which the Chiefs struggled with in that game. 325 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: And for the Ravens, Ronnie Stanley is a pending free agent, 326 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: and so you look at that, you're like, all right, 327 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: how good do you feel about Ronnie Stanley? You know, 328 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: potentially walking you know, and do we need to pay 329 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: that guy to keep him around? 330 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 3: I think I agree with you on left tackle. Historically speaking, 331 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: left tackle has been the most important position on the 332 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: offensive line, so it's always been an important spot. I 333 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 3: think that, honestly, I extend it beyond left tackle. I 334 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: think like the biggest takeaway is from both sides like 335 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: built through the trenches. It's like old school football one 336 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 3: oh one. If you're talking to like how do you 337 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: win football games? And it's like you got to have 338 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: a good lines. You gotta have a good lines. Like 339 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: I feel like it's like something if I were to 340 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: ask Jack Harball, like what was the key to to football, 341 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: you know when you got into coaching, like fundamental football 342 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: and win the trenches, And like I felt that was 343 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: the key in this game. So you look at it 344 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: for the Ravens and you're like, what's the key to 345 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 3: winning the game or like winning these types of games 346 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 3: and having a good offensive line both is really important. 347 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 3: So the Chiefs offensive line struggled throughout the year. The 348 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: interesting point. We've mentioned this before on the podcast, but 349 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: in case listeners don't know, there's a lot of buzz 350 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: and the Ravens felt like, you know that the Chiefs 351 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 3: could move in front of them to go get Roger 352 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: Rosegarden and the Chiefs are really interested Roger Roseenguard and 353 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: Eric Tocasta talk to us about that on the podcast 354 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: when we had him on after the draft, that the 355 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: Chiefs were interested in Rose of Garden. The Ravens wanted him, 356 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: they took him. And then right after that is when 357 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: the Chiefs took Swamatia because the Ravens had the opportunities 358 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: to trade back in that second round, but they didn't 359 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: want to lose Roger and so they took him there. 360 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: And that obviously turned out to be a great pick. 361 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: He has less flexibility, can play right tackle, or he 362 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: could potentially slide over to the left side if Ronnie 363 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: were to leave him free agency. But I think that 364 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: investing in the offensive line is really important. You look 365 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: at the Eagles offensive line, They've got a really good 366 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: offensive line. 367 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: They got Lane Johnson and. 368 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: At left tackle they have Jordan Malattos, so a fantastic player. 369 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. So the other thing too, when we talk about 370 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: like the similarities between these two teams, they also they 371 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: took Makai Beckton, who started his career in New York 372 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 3: as a tackle, massive guy, like one of the biggest 373 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: guys in the league, and he struggled with conditioning early 374 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: in his career and struggled with injuries. They signed him 375 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: and they put him at guard. Who had taken a 376 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: massive guy and put a guard which doesn't he doesn't 377 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 3: fit the profile of a typical guard. Oh wait, the 378 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: Ravens have done that with Daniel I just thought, like 379 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: thought about that when watching this game. 380 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 2: Very similar profile Australian guy, Daniel File. 381 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 3: Even like, even when you look at the center position, 382 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: it's tough to compare anybody to Jason Kelcey. 383 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: He was there for so long. 384 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: Obviously he's not playing anymore, but that's the guy that 385 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: like Tyler Linderbaum. If you're if it goes perfectly like 386 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 3: that's what Tyler Linderbaum is aiming to be, and he's 387 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: on a really good trajectory. Is an as an undersized guy. 388 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 3: He's really smart, who has great leverage, mobility, really good mobility, 389 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 3: who can get out in space, who can do a 390 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: lot of different things. 391 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: So he fits that profile. 392 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: And I think that seeing Kelsey's success throughout his entire 393 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 3: career part of the reason the Ravens felt good about 394 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: drafting Tyler Linderbaumb at that spot. So again, like we 395 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: just keep speaking to the fundamental ways that these teams 396 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: are built, and I think there are similarities between them, 397 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: which is good considering the Eagles just one of the 398 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 3: Super Bowl and so I think that I think that 399 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 3: having a really good offensive line is important. 400 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: Does that mean you need to pay to keep Ronnie Stanley? 401 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: Potentially, but if you let him walk, you need to 402 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 3: have a good plan B because if you can't sign 403 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 3: him and he's going to go get a huge contract elsewhere, 404 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: which he could, you just need to have a plan 405 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 3: B because you don't want to find yourself in a 406 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 3: situation where you're kind of what the Chiefs were doing, 407 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 3: guessing from week to week how they're going to approach 408 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: the left tackle and filling out the rest of the 409 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 3: spots along the line. 410 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. 411 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: You know, the Eagles also have you talk about well 412 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 2: building through the trenches. They're so good in the trenches. Well, 413 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: they also have the playmakers outside too, I know, you 414 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: know Brown and den to Smith right, and then we 415 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: talked to the outside corners that they have, you know, 416 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: and like so they're strong across the board. I think 417 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: one one other takeaway from the game too, was just 418 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: looking at how the Eagles attacked the Chiefs defense, and 419 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: you know they hit those The Chiefs were dead set 420 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: on stopping Saquon Barking and not letting him take over 421 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: the game, just like they were dead set on not 422 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: letting the Ravens run the ball against them in last 423 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: year's AFC Championship, right, and they're going to be dead 424 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: set on stopping Derrick Henry when we play him next year. Right, 425 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: And they devoted a lot of resources to that. And 426 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: the Eagles said, all right, you know, you want to 427 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 2: match up and you want to play man to man 428 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: and all that stuff, and vote a lot of resources, 429 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: just like the Chiefs did against the Ravens last year. 430 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: What some big players over the top on you and 431 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: they did. They hit you know, the long touchdown, they 432 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: hit one to A J. Brown, then the long one 433 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 2: on late in the game. 434 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, well the DeVonta Smith had died a long touchdown 435 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: and then even the long play to set up it 436 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 3: was initially rule to touchdown but then got called back 437 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 3: and then they end up touch pushing a Dan early 438 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 3: in the game. 439 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: So big play there to set up a touchdown. 440 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: Even even on their first drive that AJ Brown offensive 441 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 2: pass interference, that that completion, even though it didn't stand, 442 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: sent a message and said you want to challenge us outside, 443 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: We have the guys outside and we'll make those throws, 444 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 2: you know, and and so like that's also part of 445 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: the equation against this Chiefs defense, which is a really 446 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: good defense, and just got beat, you know, like and 447 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: then Jalen Hurts, I thought made plays with his legs. 448 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: And that was one thing Lamar came out of last 449 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: year's AFC Championship kind of saying, Man, I wish you know, 450 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: I was banged up. 451 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: I wish I had run more in that game. 452 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 2: You know, Jalen Hurts on several occasions really hurt them 453 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 2: with his legs. 454 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: And so. 455 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: I like that there's a there's a recipe out there, 456 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: and and the Chiefs are going to evolve and all 457 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: that stuff. Is not like you can just be like, loo, 458 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 2: We're just going to do the same thing they did, right, 459 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 2: can you do that? 460 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: Even the Eagles are immensely talented team, So it's difficult 461 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 3: to just be like for anybody to say, like, all right, 462 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: just do that's just when the Battle of the trenches 463 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: and it's like, well you don't have Jalen Card and 464 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 3: Jordan Davis, Norm Smith and the rest of the guys 465 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: that are like I think it's I think it's for 466 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: any team that like looks at that is just like 467 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 3: it's just that simple. 468 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: It's not that simple. 469 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: But I think that, like the framework is there, and 470 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 3: so I think that the Ravens and a lot of 471 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: other teams can be looking at it in that same way. 472 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: And I'm sure the Chiefs. I'm guessing here, but I'm 473 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: sure the Chiefs are going to be looking at this 474 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: offseason saying like, all right, we need to go invest 475 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: in the offensive line. 476 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: And what do they do there? 477 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 3: They've signed free agent tackles in the past, and so 478 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 3: of course they. 479 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: Got to ROLANDA Brown several years ago from. 480 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 3: The Ravens when they were looking to upgrade their offensive line, 481 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: so like they could go out there and get a 482 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: free agent offensive tackle and upgrade that offensive line and 483 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: feel like they're in better position. So that's part of it. 484 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 3: Everybody evolves and looks for ways to improve. But I 485 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: do like I came away both feeling like I came 486 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 3: away watching the game feeling in some ways encourage because 487 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 3: of what we're talking about the way that these teams 488 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: are built. I feel like the Ravens of the Eagles 489 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: are very similar teams. The organizations seem similar, and I 490 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: just feel like, man, the Ravens, they have that type 491 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: of a team. The Ravens have this type of a 492 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 3: team that can play that style of a game against 493 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 3: the Eagles or against the Chiefs like they can play 494 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 3: that game. And so I felt good about that. But 495 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 3: the key of courses is getting to that point and 496 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: doing it in those in those moments. And that's kind 497 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 3: of the next step for the Ravens, as we're going 498 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: to talk about, is you need to do it in 499 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 3: the playoffs. 500 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 2: Right, So we'll take a break and when we come back, 501 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 2: we'll talk about how the Ravens go about winning the 502 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: Super Bowl in twenty twenty six. 503 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 3: You're listening to the last podcast when we are coming 504 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: to you from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want 505 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 3: to give a shout out to our partners with Draft 506 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: King Sportsbook. They are an official sports betting partner of 507 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens Draft King Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. 508 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: So as we look ahead, it's never too soon, never 509 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 3: too soon to start looking ahead to the Super Bowl 510 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 3: next year. 511 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: The Ravens actually have the best odds in. 512 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 2: The NFL according to ESPN as it stands right now, 513 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: I'm tied with the Chiefs. 514 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: Yes, so that's good. 515 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 3: I like that the odds makers feel like the Ravens 516 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 3: are going to be right back in the thick of 517 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: this thing. And for all the reasons that we've talked 518 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: about before, I think that the Ravens are a really 519 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 3: good position to be a super competitive team again next year. 520 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: So that's good. 521 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I look at the AFC and I say, 522 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 2: you know, absolutely, the Chiefs, what's what's what's their trajectory? 523 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 1: Now you have Travis Kelce, what's his future? 524 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: Right? I mean there's been a lot of buzz could 525 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 2: could he potentially retire? Chris Jones is getting older? You know, like, 526 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: what's what's their longevity now? Now they're they're they're not 527 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: going to do I'm not writing off the Chiefs. 528 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: They're still very good. I mean they have Patrick Mahomes. 529 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: It starts right there. 530 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have read Yeah, but I see very much 531 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: I see that Ravens arrow is still very much pointing up, 532 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 2: very much so, and I think that they should be 533 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: a stronger team in twenty twenty five than they even 534 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: were in twenty twenty four, when I still think the 535 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: Ravens were one of the best teams in the league 536 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 2: without a doubt. And the Bills are going to get 537 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: better and all that too, right, and and there's a 538 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: lot of other good teams in this conference, the Chargers, 539 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: the Bengals, you know, you go on and on, right, 540 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: so it's going to be tough. But like to me, 541 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: when I look at the Ravens, I think that ESPN's 542 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: onto something. I think that they should be right there 543 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 2: at or near the top. 544 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 3: It's just kind of crazy because there's a lot of 545 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 3: football to be played here. But as I'm looking at it, 546 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 3: the final four teams in the AFC were the same 547 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: final four teams from the playoffs in twenty twenty three. 548 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 3: It was the Ravens, the Bills, the Chiefs, and the Texas. 549 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 3: Those were the final four teams in each of the 550 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: last two years. I think that those four teams are 551 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 3: going to be playoff teams again. And then I think 552 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: that you that you're going to be looking at the 553 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 3: Bengals and the Chargers right there in the thick of. 554 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: It, just off the top. There's gonna be other off 555 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: the Steelers. 556 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 3: The Steelers, but I think that like those six to me, 557 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 3: are at the top of the of the list in 558 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 3: the pecking order, and of course there's always a surprise 559 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: team and all there's gonna be teams that are on 560 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: the rise all. 561 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: So like that will happen. 562 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: But I think that like those six to me, if 563 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: I'm doing my power rankings here in February, those are 564 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: the six at the top of it. And I think 565 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 3: that the Ravens are going to be a playoff team 566 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 3: again next year. 567 00:24:59,119 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: That's my guess. 568 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 3: That's the expectation that the Ravens are perennially a playoff team, 569 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: and so they're gonna have to be in a situation 570 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: where they like they play their best games in January, 571 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 3: and I think we've seen elements of that, but I've 572 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: also think that there's been times where they haven't played 573 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 3: their best game. I don't think they played their best 574 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 3: game against Buffalo, and there's a number of reasons for that. 575 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 3: But they're gonna have to play their best in January. 576 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: How do you do that? That's like a hard thing. 577 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 3: Like if it was so simple to be, like, just 578 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: play your best in this situation, it would be a 579 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: pretty simple thing to solve. But I think that's what 580 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: it's going to come down to for this team that 581 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: I expect to be a playoff team once again. 582 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that the Ravens certainly have 583 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: the talent that they can hang with anybody, and if 584 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: they don't make these crushing mistakes like they have in 585 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: the playoffs the past couple of years, then I think 586 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: they can beat anybody. And a lot of it is 587 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: gonna I think that is going to be a major 588 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: major focus when practices startup for next season. Is ball security, 589 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: doing the little things to make sure that we're not 590 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: turning the ball over and on the flip side, getting 591 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: turnovers right. I mean that pick six that the Eagles 592 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 2: had in the Super Bowl was a game changer. I 593 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: mean that kind of was the dagger, early dagger, early 594 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 2: knockout punch for that. And as good as the Ravens 595 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: defense was, and particularly down the stretch, they were not, 596 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 2: you know, a high takeaway team. There were not many 597 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: teams with fewer in the league this season. And so 598 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 2: how do you construct this defense? 599 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: How do you you know. 600 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: From a personnel perspective, and also you know, what can 601 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 2: Chuck Bagano bring and trying to get more of those takeaways. 602 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: That is another element that I think the Ravens need 603 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: to get defensively to get over the hump and win 604 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. 605 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 3: You said this earlier the word is disruption. And when 606 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: you look at the playoff losses of each of the 607 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: last two seasons against Buffalo and against Kansas City, the 608 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 3: Ravens defense was good in a lot of ways, especially 609 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 3: if you go back to the AFC Championship last year, 610 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 3: Seventeen points is what they gave by the Chiefs, and 611 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 3: so you're like, that's that's. 612 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: Good enough to win, right, But they weren't. 613 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 3: Disruptive where they like what we saw from the Eagles, 614 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: where you're you have six sacks, you have multiple turnovers, 615 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 3: you haven't picked six likes those are game changing moments 616 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: and plays, and I think that having that type of 617 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 3: disruptive performance is what can sway a game and sway 618 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: a season. And so especially like in last year's AFC 619 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 3: Championship for the Ravens, like the offense was slow out 620 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 3: of the gates and they were struggling early on. If 621 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: you get a pick six that can smart things right, 622 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 3: like that can completely change things. And I kind of 623 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: felt like, really, especially last year's game, it felt like 624 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 3: just something needs to go right, something needs to go right. 625 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 3: That kind of started to happen in the second half 626 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 3: before the Flowers. For the Flowers fumble at the goal line. 627 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: But like, I think that sometimes you need the defense 628 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: to have this game changing spark then translates to the offense. 629 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: So finding those disruptive plays and moments and making them 630 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 3: could be the difference for the team in the postseason. 631 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. 632 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: And then I think it's also, you know, the ability 633 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 2: to play different kinds of games, and the Ravens can 634 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: do that. I think obviously they can run the ball. 635 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: You know, Derrick Henry and I'm excited to hear him 636 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: say that he wants to retire a raven right, Like, yeah, 637 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: sign me up. Like, as long as he and Lamar 638 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: are on this same field together, gonna be a tough 639 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 2: combination to stop. Yeah, And so the ability to run 640 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: the ball as well as because that was the Eagles 641 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: mo for much of the year. They said, all right, 642 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna hit you a Saquon, but then 643 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: also being able to hit those big plays. There's chunk 644 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 2: plays in the passing game, which the Ravens certainly did 645 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: more of that this year. Yeah, Shan Bateman really came 646 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: on this season, and Zay Flowers we all know his 647 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: big play potential and so the ability to play multiple 648 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: ways on offense, I think is a big deal, and 649 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: the Ravens have certainly made great strides in that direction 650 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: and will continue to do so. 651 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: Totally agree. 652 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 3: I think early on in Lamar's career, they really weren't 653 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: multifaceted in that way. But I think over the past 654 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 3: couple of years, especially out of Todd Monkin, they've really 655 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 3: developed as a team that can win multiple ways. They 656 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: don't have to play from ahead, they could fall behind. 657 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: Early and still win games. 658 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: And so beating you in multiple different ways, going to 659 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: every game with a different approach, I think is a 660 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: real asset for this team. And so I think that 661 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: I think they're in good shape. 662 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: I mean, Saquon Barkley was held to fifty seven yards 663 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: rushing on the ground and they put up forty points. 664 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 3: Right, You're thinking, like you asked the Chiefs before the game, 665 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: you hold Saquan and fifty seven they think they won 666 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: the game? 667 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you think you win the game. So, and I 668 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: think the Ravens are very capable. 669 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 3: There were some games this year where, like I mean, 670 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: dere Canner was awesome all year, but there were some 671 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 3: games this year where they were still winning and he 672 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: wasn't putting a monster number. So I think that they 673 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 3: can win either way. Like you can win where he 674 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 3: has two hundred Henry does and you just it's ground 675 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: and pound, or you can win on a game where 676 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: he has fifty, but then you're spreading the ball around 677 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: and it's and it's a past heavy game. And I 678 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: think that that's a real asset for this team, that 679 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: you can have different ways, and that's part of the 680 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 3: maturation the development of Lamar Jackson. And I think Tom 681 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: Munkin is a great OC. 682 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: YEP, So I think we're both in agreement. That's San 683 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: Francisco next year looks good. Bucket book, start looking into flights. Yeah, 684 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: the Ravens are gonna be awesome. I can't wait to 685 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: see how they get even better this offseason. Uh So, 686 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: thank you for listening. As always, you can reach us 687 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: at the Lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net and 688 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: we will be back with you soon