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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed we do. We got

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Speaker 1: some big updates for you on Governor Cuomo we'll start

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Speaker 1: the show with that. In just a moment. Biden's belt

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Speaker 1: face on the eviction moratorium will tell you what you

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Speaker 1: need to know there. The NLRB, the National Labor Relations Board,

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Speaker 1: has ruled that Amazon did in fact violate labor law

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Speaker 1: in that Bessemer union election. Will give you the details there.

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Speaker 1: Turns out Democrats pretty worried about midterms, really bad, really

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Speaker 1: bad numbers that they are admitting to that they need

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Speaker 1: a dramatic turn about if they're going to have any

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Speaker 1: shot at holding the House. In some ways that chance

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Speaker 1: may have already expired. We also have the great Jeff

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Speaker 1: Stein on to talk about all of the things that

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Speaker 1: are happening in Washington, from housing in the eviction moratorium

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Speaker 1: to the infrastructure build of the Reconciliation Bill. Going to

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Speaker 1: get updates from him on all of that, But we

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Speaker 1: do want to start with all the details of exactly

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Speaker 1: what a scumbat Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York is.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we've been covering for a long time all

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Speaker 1: of the many scandals that he has been in Meshton. Now, personally,

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Speaker 1: I would argue that basically allowing elderly people to die

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Speaker 1: his brother, and a ton of other people, using state

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Speaker 1: resources to write his million dollar, multimillion dollar book. I

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Speaker 1: would say that that was already enough, That was enough

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Speaker 1: to so get rid of this guy, have him go

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Speaker 1: on his own. Yes, But now we also know new

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Speaker 1: details from an investigation by Democratic Attorney General Letitia James,

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Speaker 1: just what a jerk and a scumbag and a bully

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Speaker 1: and a disgusting sex pest he was allegedly in terms

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Speaker 1: to a little bit of what she had to say.

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Speaker 1: Governor Cuomo sexually harassed current and former state employees and

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Speaker 1: violation of both federal and state laws. The Independence investigation

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Speaker 1: found that Governor Cuomo sexually arressed multiple women, many of

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Speaker 1: whom were young women, by engaging in unwanted groping, kisses, hugging,

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Speaker 1: and by making inappropriate comments. Further, the governor and his

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Speaker 1: senior team took actions to retaliate against at least one

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Speaker 1: was a lot we learned in this report, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to get to Cowoma's defense in a moment. Basically,

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Speaker 1: he's like, I'm Italian, I'm friendly. I do this with everyone. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: Some of this goes way beyond being a little overly

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Speaker 1: friendly or touchy with people. This includes feeling women up

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Speaker 1: put it up there. Cuomo arranged the transfer of a

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Speaker 1: really some of it, really like their job, really care

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Speaker 1: just gross and indefensible. No, that is exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: order to normalize his own behavior here. And as you said,

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Speaker 1: I think what's actually more disgusting is his is his response.

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Speaker 1: He's basically saying that all of these people are liars

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Speaker 1: He goes, I do it with everybody. I mean, first

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure people don't behave that way, and I

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Speaker 1: There are no words for what that even describes of

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Speaker 1: like what, who does that? What is wrong with comparing

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Speaker 1: that to him literally grabbing titties and assess that's the

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Speaker 1: the country during the coronavirus pandemic, and he's routinely engaging

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Speaker 1: in strategy calls. Not again some one off. Oh my

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Speaker 1: brother called me and we're having dinner, and I having

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Speaker 1: to say this no, on a regular scheduled basis. It's

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Speaker 1: just completely counter to the way that he wants to

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Speaker 1: paint himself and the way that CNN has built him

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Speaker 1: and portrayed him. And like you said, the sad thing

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Speaker 1: show notes. So lots of big news since we last

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Speaker 1: talked to you guys. Obviously we've been covering a lot.

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Speaker 1: The fact that that eviction moratorium nationwide elapsed over the

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Speaker 1: weekend just completely shameful on the behalf of the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration and also the House. They knew this deadline was coming,

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Speaker 1: they knew the courts had said Congress is probably going

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Speaker 1: to have to handle this, and they did nothing. They

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Speaker 1: did nothing. Jeff Stein, who were going to have done

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Speaker 1: the show later his reporting suggests that the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: for all there, oh we did, we checked, and we

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Speaker 1: tripled to, we quadruple checked, et cetera, et cetera about

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Speaker 1: getting the CDC to extend that moratorium. That before Friday,

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Speaker 1: they hadn't even looked into whether there was a legal

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Speaker 1: avenue for them to ex then the eviction moratorium. They

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Speaker 1: were hoping. This just elapsed quietly and no one said

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Speaker 1: a word about it, and they could just say, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's too bad, we diderve us. Let's move forward. Well

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Speaker 1: that is not what happened. There was a major public backlash,

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Speaker 1: and a big part of that was sparked by Congresswoman

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Speaker 1: Corey Busch, who you all know experience homelessness herself. That

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Speaker 1: was obviously incredibly searing event for her. She said, you

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Speaker 1: all are going on vacation. I'm staying right here on

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Speaker 1: the Capitol steps and I'm camping out. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be shy about naming whose fault

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Speaker 1: this is. And I think that's what was different here

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Speaker 1: from Corey and the rest of the squad and some

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Speaker 1: of their allies, including Rocanna, who we had on this show.

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Speaker 1: They didn't mince words. They didn't try to be like, well,

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Speaker 1: it's mostly the Republicans, but maybe it's a little bit.

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Speaker 1: That's what they usually do. Know. They were direct about

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Speaker 1: it is the Democrats in control and it is their

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Speaker 1: fault that this is happening right now. So what happened

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday is the Biden administration effectively caved and said,

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Speaker 1: now it's not going to be a full nationwide extension,

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Speaker 1: but it is, according to the White House, going to

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Speaker 1: cover ninety percent of people in apartments, So anywhere where

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Speaker 1: there's a high or relatively high spread of the delta

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Speaker 1: variant coronavirus for sixty days. They're going to have the

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Speaker 1: eviction moratorium extended. This will certainly go to the courts.

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Speaker 1: We don't know how they're going to rule ultimately, but

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Speaker 1: the very least buys them some time both for Congress

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Speaker 1: to potentially act. More likely, what's going to happen is

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Speaker 1: to put more pressure on states and localities to actually

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Speaker 1: get that rental assistance funds, to get those allocated, so

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Speaker 1: at least some people can potentially be made whole. But

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Speaker 1: this was funny to see because, of course, listen behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, Democratic leadership hated that Corey Bush did this

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Speaker 1: and that the squad did this and made them look

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Speaker 1: bad and really embarrassed and shamed them and showed the

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Speaker 1: distance between what they were saying and what they were

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Speaker 1: actually doing. Once Biden came around and Corey scores her,

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Speaker 1: it suddenly Check Schumer shows up to congratulate her. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a look at that. They're welcome to you guys

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Speaker 1: are fabulous. I mean, it's just so funny, like there after,

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Speaker 1: you know, after it happens, after Biden caves, after they win,

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Speaker 1: then he comes around congrat Oh, you guys are so fabulous,

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Speaker 1: love you so much. It's interesting too. The White House

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Speaker 1: Press Corps definitely picked up on I mean, look, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, this is a total flip flop. Biden came

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Speaker 1: out and said, I don't have a legal authority. CDC

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Speaker 1: told me that they can't do it, and then twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours later is like, I have now learned that

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Speaker 1: I have the legal authority. It's like okay, okay, And look,

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Speaker 1: credit to the press corps who pressed him on this.

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Speaker 1: So we're like, what are you talking about? How could

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Speaker 1: you say one thing and not the other. Here's what

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Speaker 1: jen Zaki had to say. But I think what's important

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Speaker 1: to note here is that the President would not have

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Speaker 1: moved forward with a step where he didn't feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: and confident in the legal justification. It is also a

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Speaker 1: reality that there are legal steps that have been taken

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Speaker 1: by the Supreme Court in the last few months, and

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Speaker 1: we have spoken to that publicly. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: hide from that. But he asked the CDC and his

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Speaker 1: legal experts to look at what is possible. This is

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Speaker 1: a narrow targeted moratorium that is different from the national

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Speaker 1: mortrumement it's not an extension of that. It's a different

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Speaker 1: moratorium from a policy and legal standpoint. So he felt

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Speaker 1: comfortable in the justification and the legal approach to this effort.

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Speaker 1: Come on, you know he did it. It wasn't the

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Speaker 1: same thing at all. I don't know, Gristol. I got

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Speaker 1: to say, given the fact that the court, I think

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Speaker 1: rightfully so said, if you're going to supersede all of

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Speaker 1: housing law, Congress should pass it. Then the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: and Pelosi should get off their ass and they should

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Speaker 1: try and pass it through Congress. I actually think Rocanna

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Speaker 1: had a good point, which is that, actually, if you

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Speaker 1: forced these Democrats to vote, you really think they're going

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Speaker 1: to vote against it on the record, I just don't.

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Speaker 1: I honestly don't think so, and I know you're skeptical.

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Speaker 1: I think from what I had asked around, probably a handful,

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Speaker 1: maybe ten or a dozen Republicans would have voted for

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Speaker 1: the same thing. So no, I'm telling you, I've looked

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Speaker 1: what I From what I had learned, there was at

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Speaker 1: least some people on the fence, especially in districts, in

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Speaker 1: places where delta was high and where there were problems

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Speaker 1: that there were at least some members who were willing

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Speaker 1: to listen. All I'm saying is this, it should come

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Speaker 1: from Congress. I really believe that. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: fair to the people who are being evicted to live

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Speaker 1: in this crazy quasi legal gray area where obviously the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court already ruled. Then if it gets strucked down

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Speaker 1: next week, then we only bought them a week in

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Speaker 1: their house. The Executive and the Judi and the legislative

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Speaker 1: should come and make look if there's a compromise, if

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Speaker 1: there's only two weeks in order to pump out assistance,

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Speaker 1: and so be it. I just feel like putting people

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Speaker 1: in limbo like this is wrong. I've always felt it

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Speaker 1: that there are every I mean, as I said, everybody

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Speaker 1: sucked on this, everybody sick. They have known for first

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Speaker 1: of all, they've known since they set the date that

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Speaker 1: this date was coming, that the end was coming. Second

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Speaker 1: of all, they've known for more than a month that

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court was at least veryly skeptical of the

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Speaker 1: CDC's ability to extend this more toward, given the fact

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Speaker 1: that they waited for it to lapse, and that it

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Speaker 1: obviously would take a lot of time for Congress to

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Speaker 1: be able to get this through, and it probably would

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Speaker 1: have to be done through reconciliation since they're married to

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Speaker 1: the filibuster. That's a long process to be able to

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Speaker 1: get their act together on that. I mean, it just

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Speaker 1: is a long process to be able to get that done.

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Speaker 1: So given where we are, I am very glad that

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Speaker 1: they made this decision extend the moratorium, even though now

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Speaker 1: it's going to go to the course. At least it

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Speaker 1: buys people a little bit of time, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of lifeline. But you're one hundred percent right. The fact

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Speaker 1: that this lapsed at all put a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in jeopardy and allowed evictions to go ahead for a

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Speaker 1: couple of days. Post had a piece that said, listen,

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Speaker 1: when the nationwide moratorium lapsed on Saturday, states and cities

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Speaker 1: allowed the courts to go ahead and process these filings.

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Speaker 1: So you had some people that just in that gap

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Speaker 1: period were already kicked out of their homes. And these

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Speaker 1: are real lives. This article from the Washington Post I'm referencing,

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Speaker 1: like they interviewed some of the people here who are

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Speaker 1: hoping to be able to stay in their homes and

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Speaker 1: who are facing evictions. They talked to one guy in

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Speaker 1: central Florida who his gigs as an artist and editing

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Speaker 1: for a production company. Of course, dried up during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: He got by for a while, but he couldn't keep

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Speaker 1: up on his rent. By the way, he also has leukemia.

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Speaker 1: By the way, he also then came down with coronavirus,

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Speaker 1: and so he says, for him, the new moratorium is

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Speaker 1: at least its temporary relief, so at least it's something.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, And this was the other thing that

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Speaker 1: real Kanda said to us, that rental relief program's only

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Now for some people, that's going to

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Speaker 1: be enough. If you got people who behind on their

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Speaker 1: rent months and months, even that's going to be insufficient.

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Speaker 1: So this is a tiny band aid. We don't know

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Speaker 1: how long it's going to last, how long before the

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Speaker 1: courts potentially strike it down. So are they going to

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Speaker 1: get their act together? It's Congress is going to get

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Speaker 1: their act together to shore up that rental relief program,

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Speaker 1: which obviously was completely flawed and designed from the beginning,

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Speaker 1: and then states and localities have done a poor job

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Speaker 1: of implementing in many instances. Are they going to change

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Speaker 1: the parameters on that so that there are more funds

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Speaker 1: that could be distributed, Like what happens next. Because this

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Speaker 1: is a very temporary fix that doesn't even apply to

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Speaker 1: everyone in the country. There's a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: are going to fall through the crack. Sit. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to last more than two weeks

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Speaker 1: on its face, and then even then it's like, look,

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Speaker 1: I think the most important thing states get the money

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Speaker 1: out the door. You could probably stop a majority of

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Speaker 1: the evictions if they get the money out the door

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Speaker 1: into the hands of the landlords and into the hands

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Speaker 1: or the tenant. I'm not both all states implement the

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Speaker 1: program differently, which would make it so that you get

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Speaker 1: to buy people another month or maybe two months, and

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Speaker 1: then that gives up time to find another job maybe

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Speaker 1: make up right. I'm not saying it's perfect, but what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is that that is better than nothing. I think,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, I just do think that they should

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Speaker 1: pass an Act of Congress passed again for a month,

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Speaker 1: and then after that month use that entire month with

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Speaker 1: the directive to the states like hey, if you don't

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Speaker 1: spend this, we're going to you know, find you or whatever.

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Speaker 1: That's a way that we routinely compel state behavior, and

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Speaker 1: then they'll actually get their act together, their dedicate the resources,

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Speaker 1: and we can forestall the majority of this and then

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Speaker 1: we can move on and go back to normal. I

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Speaker 1: really think that that is generally the way we should

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Speaker 1: move Now. I'm not stupid, you know, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that any of that is going to happen. The most

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Speaker 1: likely scenario is some Texas judge strikes this thing down

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Speaker 1: within days, it goes back to the court, Kavanaugh immediately

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Speaker 1: cancels the order, and then one week from to now,

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Speaker 1: that guy is out on his ass for no reason.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not his fault, Like it really is

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Speaker 1: the fault of a lot of the politicians here in Washington. Well,

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Speaker 1: and so to make the counter legal case, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not a lawyer, I'm not a Supreme Court watcher. This

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Speaker 1: is just, you know, these are the counter arguments that

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Speaker 1: are being made by people who are so Kavanaugh, in

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Speaker 1: his concurring opinion, said that effectively, like I don't like

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Speaker 1: this being done through the CDC. It needs if you're

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Speaker 1: going to extend it again, it needs to go through Congress.

642
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: But I'm going to allow it because we need to

643
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: give people more time for that rental relief funds to

644
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: go out the door. So two things have One thing

645
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: has changed and one thing has not changed. The thing

646
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: that's changed is, of course, delta is much worse than

647
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: when he wrote that opinion. And the other thing that

648
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: did not change is that rental relief money did not

649
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: go out the door. So there is a possibility that

650
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Speaker 1: he would look at those two factors and allow it

651
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: once again. I tend to agree with you that that's

652
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: probably less likely to happen than that ultimately it gets

653
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: struck down. So this is far from an issue that

654
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: is solved, far from an issue where we have any

655
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: kind of satisfying resolution. But I do want to say

656
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: it's not nothing. They've given temporary relief to a lot

657
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: of people who are terrified being out in the street

658
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: with themselves and their family and their kids. Rent has skyrocketed,

659
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: so whatever they were paying and unable to afford in

660
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: their apartment, they're not even going to be able to

661
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: find something at that price now going forward, making this

662
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: all so much more difficult consequences, As you guys know,

663
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: and as we've been talking about here for experiencing homelessness,

664
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: even for a temporary period, are incredibly grave, especially for kids,

665
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: that can just send your life into a downwards spile.

666
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: It really is a tragic potential situation. So I want

667
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: to say I want to give and I think I

668
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: was a little too cynical when we first covered this.

669
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: I want to give Corey Bush a lot of credit

670
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: here and say, also, something that we talk about here

671
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: a lot is there's a lot of focus on diversity

672
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: in Congress. In terms of class diversity, we've been flatlined

673
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: in terms of the number of working class people who

674
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: have actually experienced anything approaching this in their lives, who

675
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: are either in Congress or representing you at the state

676
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: or local level. The fact that you had one person

677
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: in there who had experienced this person and only actually

678
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: forced Biden to at least do something, and I think

679
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: that's an important I think that's really significant. I think

680
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: that's important to see. Yeah, I think you're right. We

681
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: also have a big update for you, as I mentioned

682
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: before on Amazon. So obviously we covered extensively their election

683
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: down in Bessemer, Alabama. Union overwhelmingly lost in that election,

684
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: but from the beginning, there were a lot of signs

685
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: that Amazon was up to some really dirty tricks in

686
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: terms of forcing that vote to go their way. And

687
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: now officially the National Labor Relations Board agreed. So the

688
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: director of an NLRB hearing recommended, well, they haven't recommended

689
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: yet whether new election is going to be conducted or

690
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: what is going to happen. But the NLRB did rule

691
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: that Amazon violated labor law in that union election, So

692
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: their tactics went beyond just you know, hardball, but still

693
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: within the realm of legal The core allegation here, and

694
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: this wasn't the only thing that they found that they

695
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: did improperly, but the core allegation here revolved around a

696
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: mailbox that Amazon had installed on the property within sight

697
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: where they could view workers going and dropping off their ballots. Now,

698
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: the government had told them they can't, you can't do this,

699
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: this is not allowed. They did it anyway, and workers

700
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: felt that this was incredibly coercive because you have this

701
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: feeling of like, oh, my boss is watching me when

702
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm dropping off my ballot. I better vote the right way.

703
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: They also said that overwhelmingly the ballots that were put

704
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: into that drop box, that there was a fear that

705
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: Amazon may have access to even that those ballots were

706
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly no votes in terms of the union, and so

707
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: that was one of their core allegations was that this

708
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: drop box, the government had already said you can't install it,

709
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: they did it anyway. There were fears that the company

710
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: had access to it, and that at the very least

711
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: created a very coercive situation for the employees. There were

712
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: other allegations as well. Remember we covered the way they

713
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: got the traffic lights change. There are also allegations that

714
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: they were sending out sending out communications that effectively said, hey,

715
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: they're going to be layoffs and you might lose your

716
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: job if this union goes through, which is the hallmark

717
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: textbook definition of like illegal union busting. So, looking at

718
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: the totality of all of that, at LRB says this

719
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: was illegal, and next thing we have to find out

720
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: is what exactly they're going to do about it. This

721
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: is a big deal, and I think we should also

722
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: be honest, which is Amazon probably still would have won

723
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: the vote anyways, even if they had done this. And

724
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: that's the thing which always I find fascinating about this

725
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: company is that even though the odds were dramatically stacked

726
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: in their favor, as we saw in the vote count

727
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: and all of that. I don't I'm not personally, I

728
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: don't think that this dropbox would have made all that difference.

729
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: They still did it like, they still went out of

730
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: their way in order to throw everything to make it

731
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: as crushing of a defeat as possible, which really it

732
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: fits with Bezos's vision of the company. Bezos's vision is

733
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: we are generous. We are going to give you the

734
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: best wage, fifteen seventeen dollars an hour, whatever, healthcare, et cetera.

735
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: But don't you dare ask for a scrap more than

736
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: what we give you, Like, don't have an idea in

737
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: your head that you're going to get anything which we

738
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: don't decide is best for you. I personally just don't

739
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: believe in that type of labor market. I do not

740
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: believe that that is how people should be treated. Especially

741
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: what did we discover. Amazon is the largest employer second

742
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: largest employer in the United States. One out of one

743
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine workers in the United States works

744
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: for Amazon. They have a massive control over our labor market.

745
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: They have I think, hired over half a million people

746
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: just in the year of twenty twenty. They have an

747
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: exponential growth trajectory. I think they'll be number one within

748
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: the next five years. The way that this company governs

749
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 1: his employees is the way that America itself is governed,

750
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: and especially in rural America, where they are one of

751
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: the largest employers of those without a high school degree

752
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: or even with only a high school degree. And I

753
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: personally just we have to look out for those people's

754
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: well being. That's really the story here. What I m

755
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: and I always talk about, what he always says to

756
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: me is effectively, like Amazon and the monopolist Walmart and

757
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: all these like monopolists effectively have already rigged the macro

758
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: level situation so that it's almost impossible for these union

759
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: elections to succeed because workers very rationally look at the

760
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: landscape and say, this is the only job in town.

761
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't really want to piss these people off. And

762
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: so even though yeah, I hate it, I hate the

763
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: way I'm treated. I hate that, you know, my hours

764
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: are so long, or I hate that I'm treated like

765
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: a robot. I hate the way that I'm tracked like whatever.

766
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: I hate the low pay, I hate the fact that

767
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: they chew you up and they spit you out, and

768
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: they don't treat you like a human being. This is

769
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: still the only game in town. So I don't want

770
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: to I don't want to screw it up. Even if

771
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a chance that this is

772
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: going to cause me not to have a job here,

773
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: there are just no other options for me. And so

774
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: you have the whole landscape, not to mention, like our

775
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: labor law already sucks and it's teeth toothless and that's

776
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: why we need the Proact and all of those things.

777
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: So you already have at the macro level, basically a

778
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: rigged system in favor of Amazon. But that's not enough

779
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: for them. They also have to like rig at the

780
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: micro level with the dropbox and the anti union meetings

781
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: and the threatening emails and the traffic lights and the

782
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: like thug surveiling and all that stuff. They still have

783
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: to go that extra level to make sure that there

784
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: isn't even a sliver of a chance that one of

785
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: these workplaces will be unionized, because I think they do fear.

786
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: You know, the theory of organizers here and the teamsters

787
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: have launch and nationwide drive to try to organize Amazon,

788
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: and the fear is that if one shop floor falls

789
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: and they're able to unionize, then that could set off

790
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: a domino effect. I don't think they're wrong about that,

791
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: because then then that fear factor starts to lessen. If

792
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: you see other workers who were able to do it,

793
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: and they did keep their jobs, and they did earn

794
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: better pay or better working conditions, then you start to think, oh,

795
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: maybe this is the possibility. Maybe I can stand up

796
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: to them and get something a little bit better for

797
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: myself and my family in this workplace. So I don't

798
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: actually think it's I don't think they're crazy to be

799
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: so concerned that if one place were to unionized that

800
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: it could trigger ultimately a domino effect. We have more

801
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: perfect union. They've been doing great work. We've got a

802
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: little part of a video that they put together that

803
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: encapsulated a lot of the allegations from the union of

804
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: the illegal labor practices that were being engaged in. Let's

805
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: just take a listen to that. Amazon transition to a

806
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: new phase of its campaign, it compelled Jefferson County to

807
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: change the traffic lights signals outside the Bestomer warehouse to

808
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: rob the union of one of its most effective messaging tactics.

809
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: Speaking to workers at red lights as they headed into

810
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: the office warehouse. Meanwhile, Amazon pummeled workers with anti union messaging,

811
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: vo text messages, twitch ads, and notes on bathroom stalls

812
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: and breakrooms. Do it without dues. Amazon propaganda explained, every

813
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: time we go to the bathroom in your stall, in

814
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: the men bay off room, soon as you go to

815
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: the stall, you got an anti union flyer right there

816
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: in front of you. You got you got flyers in

817
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: the break room, you got one you walking in and

818
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: walking out. You got big bonners saying early vote vote no.

819
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: When the election began on February eighth, Amazon deployed a

820
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: concerted misinformation campaign targeted at its employees. We've seen Amazon,

821
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that really does sum up the

822
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: entire situation. It's about power. It's about the way that

823
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: Amazon treats its employees, but it's also about the way

824
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: that they want to cover and maintain their image. And

825
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: I think any American, even if you have different ideas

826
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 1: around unions and more, you should ask yourself whether you're

827
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: cool with a single individual Bezos having this much power

828
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: over the entire American labor market. This was the same conversation,

829
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: This was the same conversation that we had in the

830
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: two thousands in the nineties around Walmart, and it's the

831
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: same conversation that we'd be having today, especially as all

832
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: of the small towns lose so much of the industry

833
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: and the ability that they have and Amazon just gobbles

834
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: it up. You know, in my neighborhood recently, what just

835
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: opened up is an Amazon Fresh store, which is one

836
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: of those stores where you come in and you like

837
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: scan a QR code and there's nobody working there. You

838
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: just pull the stuff off the shelves. It uses cameras

839
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: to tell what you pulled off, and then you walk

840
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: right out the store. Listen, you think they're not going

841
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: to be coming to your grocery store. Where are you

842
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: supposed to work if you're like sixteen years old? You know,

843
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: those car guys gone, or they'll be owned by Amazon.

844
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if warehouse is going to be the only

845
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: game in town for a lot of people, and well,

846
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: they're doing their best to automate that as well by

847
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: doing their best automated. But in the interim, it's going

848
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: to be all at the whims of what this company

849
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: decides and is it right to have a country where

850
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: the rural population's entire job is just to supply the

851
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: people who live in the urban population or work at

852
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: their whims. These are all really important questions that we

853
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: should be asking. Yeah, very well, said, all right, last

854
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: piece we wanted to get to. Here are some revelatory

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Speaker 1: comments from the Democrats recently. This is really big and

856
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Speaker 1: it kind of went underneath the radar, So let's put

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Speaker 1: it up there from Politico. So Sean Patrick Maloney, he

858
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Speaker 1: is the head of the D Triple C, which is

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Speaker 1: the campaign chief for the House. Now in a recent

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Speaker 1: open door meeting, he basically said, with multiple people, according

861
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: to who were familiar with the conversation, new polling, according

862
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: to their own polling, showed Democrats falling behind Republicans by

863
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: a half dozen points on the generic ballot in battleground districts.

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Speaker 1: Maloney advised the party to course correct ahead of twenty

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Speaker 1: two by trying to promote Joe Biden's agenda. But here's

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Speaker 1: the thing he just admitted. The campaign chair for the

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Speaker 1: House just admitted that their own internal polls show them

868
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Speaker 1: trailing six points behind Republicans on the generic ballot in

869
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: a battleground state. So what is the breaking points rule

870
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Speaker 1: on Poles. What do we add at least lost three

871
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: maybe four more. Yeah, what we should really add is

872
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: add around three or four points to the Republican and

873
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: say that's the real number. So that's talking about ten points.

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00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: That's thrilling. Key battleground district, actually ten points down. Most

875
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: likely in a Key battleground they are totally screwed and

876
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: hosed in the House. They already have only three points.

877
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: And look, it's it's interesting, but it's going to be

878
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: all culture war all the time at the congressional level.

879
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the number one issue I think that the

880
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: Republicans are going to have and I think they will

881
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: win on, is just COVID restrictions. I've seen a lot

882
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: of takes on this, which is like just by being

883
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: anti like mask mandate lockdown, even if you live in

884
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: a place where you don't have one, people are going

885
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, hell no, we're not coming to that.

886
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: That's going to be a problem. Defund the police and crime.

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00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: We got the highest crime murder rates in the last

888
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: twenty years. That's going to be an issue. The critical

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00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: race theory stuff, all of these immigration Biden is underwater

890
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: by two thirds on every single one of the issues

891
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: that I just listed so well. And he used to

892
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: have good marks on the COVID too, and he does

893
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: not anymore. And the optimism number which you pointed out, yeah,

894
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: I think earlier this week, which is for the first

895
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: time in his presidency, the optimism number is now underweld.

896
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: So he's underwater in a lot of very bad places.

897
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Speaker 1: You guys might remember Debbie Dingle after she was the

898
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Speaker 1: Michigan She was the Michigan Congress, someone who was really

899
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Speaker 1: raising sounding the alarm before Hillary Clinton lost to Trump

900
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: in Michigan and saying like, you guys got to put

901
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: more resources here. I'm telling you, this guy's got a shot.

902
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: We're in bad shape. Oh no, we got it. We

903
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: got data. Don't worry that. We don't even need to

904
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: spend any money there. We got Michian But it's not

905
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: a problem. We all know what happened there. She is

906
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: saying we are not breaking through. She says that Democrats

907
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: are not doing enough to boost the economy back in Michigan,

908
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: especially in the auto industry, which of course has been

909
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: hit with problems because of that semiconductor shortage. So this

910
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: is a person who's been prescient in the past saying

911
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: forget about the culture war stuff. Even on these bread

912
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: and butter issues where y'all think you're doing a good job,

913
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: people on the ground feel very very differently. And you

914
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: can see how it happened. I mean, this is no mystery.

915
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: It's not that the Republicans have been so brilliant and amazing.

916
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: It's that Democrats did a couple good things to start with, right,

917
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: They did a pretty good job with getting the vaccines

918
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: out to start with, they passed the relief bill that

919
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: helped a lot of people temporarily. And now they've done nothing.

920
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: Now they've done nothing, So that's there's a consequence to that,

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00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: you know. And look, let's be fair, These first midterm

922
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: elections after a new pross and gets elected are very

923
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: difficult historically for the party in power, So you know,

924
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: you are already in uphill battle. Then Republicans have a

925
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: very significant advantage in terms of the way that these

926
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Speaker 1: districts are gerrymandered. So in terms of the national generic

927
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 1: bad ballot, you have to win by something like five

928
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: or six points in order for Democrats to control the House.

929
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: So you're already set at a disadvantage. They knew all

930
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: of this going in. I mean from the beginning, I

931
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: think Ryan Grimm is the one who's been doing the

932
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: reporting or having sort of had the insight here that

933
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: if you don't pass redistricting reform, you will not hold

934
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: onto the House. It is as simple as that. And

935
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Speaker 1: we talk to who is it who did the analysis

936
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: that said basically like, if you have the best mid

937
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: term performance in history sure a party in power, David Shore,

938
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: then you will barely hang on. If you have the

939
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: second best performance in history in for a party in

940
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: power the midterms, you will lose the House. We've known

941
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: that from the beginning. These people, also, I want to say,

942
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: like they act. They will rhetorically say that the Republican

943
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: Party is an existential threat to democracy, and Trump is

944
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: a fascist, and it's the end of democra all of

945
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: this stuff. But they can't get off their assets to

946
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: like actually do anything to try to keep control. Oh

947
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: we've got to have the philabus, Oh we've got to

948
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Speaker 1: have the Senate parliamentarian, so on, these basic democracy measures

949
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: that they knew would be pretty much required in order

950
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: for them to hold onto power. They can't really be

951
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: bothered to get it done. I will say, I think

952
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: a lot of that is cope. Like, here's the thing,

953
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: Democrats held seats in Arkansas and Louisiana ten years ago.

954
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: It can be done. I look, I'm not saying that

955
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: our electoral system is perfect. The truth is like they

956
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: just don't passed up that's popular, or they don't believe things,

957
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: which is popular. That's the truth. I'm not defending the Democrats,

958
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: but it is true that Republicans have a sizeable jerrymandering

959
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: advantage from the House. I'm not dispased in the seton However,

960
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: obviously that's not jerrymander because you're just running in the

961
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: states now. It is jerrymandered in a different way in

962
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: that rural states had a lot more power. But yeah,

963
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: and here's the other piece. That's that's bullshit too, is

964
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: Cliber and all the rest of them would love to say, like, oh,

965
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: it's to fund the police, and it's the left of

966
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: the party. Y'all lost rural America during the Obama years,

967
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. You lost a thousand state House

968
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: seats during the Obama years. You lost you lost the House,

969
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: you lost the Senate, and then you lost the presidency.

970
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: So rural America, you all decided that you were done

971
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: with and didn't care and we're going to do anything

972
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: to win back a long, long time ago. So don't

973
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: try to put it just on like, oh, it's all

974
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: AOC's fall when this is a trend that is decades

975
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: in the making and y'all did nothing about. So that

976
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: I agree with one yeah, which is that this is

977
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: a twenty year long trend. It's always amazing. I've said

978
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: this before, like I'll read books and it's like Democrat

979
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: from Arkansas, who are these people? Not Broe? And I'm like, wait,

980
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: I was alive during this period. I'm like, what's happening?

981
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: Our politics has changed a lot in the thirty years.

982
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: You can basically billion Bill Clinton two thousand and onwards

983
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: when this all started the last twenty one years, and

984
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: so having a different map, that's what creates a lot

985
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: of this tension. I would say generally, I really think

986
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: they're screwed, and I think COVID has a lot to

987
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: do with it. I especially think that the mass mandates

988
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: and more, you know, I mean, one of the biggest

989
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: mistakes I made ahead of the election is kept saying

990
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: Trump is completely out of step with the with the

991
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: public on lockdowns, it turns out that the polls were

992
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: completely out of step with the public. Online turns out

993
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: anti lockdown way more popular. Well, and Democrats had no

994
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: counter message on economics. Yeah, that's all they had was

995
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: like lockdowns and restore the soul of the nation, which, look,

996
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: it was enough to get Joe Biden in, but it

997
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: wasn't veryly forty five thousand votes barely, which is pathetic

998
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: given how terrible Trump was during the entire pandemic. So yeah,

999
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're totally screwed, and I really

1000
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: don't know that there's anything they could do at this

1001
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: point to rescue it. Midterms are a game of who

1002
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: is energized. The Democratic basis coming back to brunch like

1003
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: their Trump is gone. They're happy, they're satisfied, they don't

1004
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: really care that much anymore. Republicans are very very energized

1005
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: around some of the issues that you mentioned, and so

1006
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: they're going to show up, And uh, I think Democrats

1007
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: are in big, big trouble. I think you're right. Wow,

1008
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Speaker 1: you guys must really like listening to our voices. Well,

1009
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Speaker 1: I know this is annoying. Instead of making you listen

1010
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1011
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Speaker 1: other podcast I do with Marsha Kassoff called The Realignment.

1012
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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about the deeper issues that are

1013
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: changing realigning in American society. You always need more Crystal

1014
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Speaker 1: and Sog in your daily lives. Take care, guys, Crystal,

1015
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at today? Well, folks,

1016
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: it was the best of times and it was the

1017
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: worst of times for the American left. On the one hand,

1018
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: Corey Bush, as we mentioned earlier, forced a rare victory

1019
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: against the Biden administration, proving what could be possible with

1020
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: just a few committed voices of moral clarity calling out

1021
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: the failures of establishment Democrats directly. On the other hand,

1022
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: an organized coalition of money and power was able to

1023
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: defeat one of the best among us, Nina Turner, went

1024
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: down to defeat in an Ohio special election. Worse yet,

1025
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: Nina lost to a candidate mired a corruption scandal and

1026
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: bullied by money and support from some of the worst

1027
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: people on the entire planet. So, as far as the

1028
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: campaign autopsy goes what happened to Nina, it's really not

1029
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: all that complicated, guys. Millions of dollars in outside money

1030
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: were dropped on her head in the final weeks of

1031
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: this campaign. Jordan Sheridan, he was there on the ground.

1032
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: He said, it wasn't just the negative ads, but the

1033
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: billboards that were everywhere in the district, reminding voters of

1034
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: Nina's rather brutally honest assessment that voting for Joe Biden

1035
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: was like eating half a bowl of shit. In typical

1036
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: true telling fashion, Nina herself laid out what she thought

1037
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Speaker 1: happened in the campaign in her concession speech evil money

1038
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: with label in this lunch, so plenty of the ads

1039
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: those millions bought were packed full of lives. They actually

1040
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: sent out mailers declaring that Nina Turner didn't support fifteen

1041
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: dollars minimum wage and didn't support universal health care. Can

1042
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: you imagine a more brazen fabrication? Now? The fact that

1043
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: those mailers went out tells you that, much like burning

1044
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: before her, Nina did not lose because she was backing

1045
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: unpopular issues and causes. That'll be how plenty of the

1046
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: corporate types will spin it, but that is not remotely

1047
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: what happened here. Again, we know that because they tried

1048
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: to confuse the voters into thinking that Nina's opponent, Sean

1049
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: tell Brown was really the candidate who would stand for

1050
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: the progressive values that Nina Turner actually does stand for.

1051
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 1: There's also going to be plenty of second guessing about

1052
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: Nina's strategy and the campaign that she ran. Of course,

1053
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: you can always second guest tactical decisions, but she definitely

1054
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: ran a strong campaign, a campaign to be proud of.

1055
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Speaker 1: She got a lot of local validators and endorsers, she

1056
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: had plenty of grassroots funds and volunteers. She put together

1057
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: some terrific ads that we covered, and Nina herself is

1058
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: one of the most charismatic and talented politicians that we've got.

1059
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: But we also have to say that a core of

1060
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: the anti Nina message did land with the electorate, at

1061
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: least sufficiently that this race went from Nina having a

1062
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: more than thirty point advantage to defeat in just a

1063
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: matter of weeks. So what was that message? Why did

1064
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: it land? Their case against Nina was that she would

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Speaker 1: rock the boat too much, would be too willing to

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Speaker 1: call out democrats, would speak in unvarnished language about their

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Speaker 1: flaws and failings, hence the ubiquitous bull of shit ads.

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Speaker 1: Chan Tell Brown. On the other hand, she would never

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Speaker 1: speak out. She would go along to get along, she

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Speaker 1: would never challenge Joe Biden or any other Democratic luminary.

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Speaker 1: That message was apparently very compelling, at least in this

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Speaker 1: majority black and working class district that has ranked the

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Speaker 1: twelfth poorest of all the congressional districts in the country. Now,

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Speaker 1: that might be a depressing fact, but it is a

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Speaker 1: fact we've got to face. Nonetheless, and before we get

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Speaker 1: all self righteous to pato these silly voters they don't

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Speaker 1: understand their own best interests, or before we imagine and

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Speaker 1: pretend that a more radical Nino would have magically held

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Speaker 1: appeal in a district where Bernie Sanders lost overwhelmingly to Biden,

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Speaker 1: we need to think about why it might be rational

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Speaker 1: for voters in this district to respond to the don't

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Speaker 1: rock the boat case that Jim Kleibern and others were making.

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Speaker 1: The truth is, if you are black and you are

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00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: working class, you might not have the luxury of high

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Speaker 1: expectations from your government talk of transformational change. It might

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00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: seem downright naive and foolish. It could be an entirely

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00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: rational choice given that Joe Biden's president and Pelosi as speaker,

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00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: that your best bet is just to get a representative

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Speaker 1: who doesn't provoke the ire of the vindictive powers that be,

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Speaker 1: who's going to do what they can to climb the

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Speaker 1: ladder in the prescribed manner, not cause trouble, and be

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Speaker 1: in a position to get a few good things for

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Speaker 1: the district through the nature of their cozy relationships with

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Speaker 1: people in power. Maybe you feel like that's really the

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Speaker 1: best you can hope for here, especially given that the

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00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: squad hasn't exactly always delivered on their promises. More on

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00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: that than just moment politics of getting the bits you

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00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: can incrementally grab doesn't sound so crazy or foolish at all.

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Speaker 1: So when Jim Clyburn comes to town and says, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm with Shantel Brown, and by the way, this Nina

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Speaker 1: Turner person, she just pisses everybody off, Well that's pretty compelling.

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Speaker 1: So what can be done about that? Well, Corey Busch

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Speaker 1: just gave us a little bit of an answer here

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Speaker 1: in a surprisingly hopeful development. As you all probably know

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Speaker 1: and we discussed earlier, Congresswoman Bush has personally experienced homelessness

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Speaker 1: living out of a car with her babies and no

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Speaker 1: other options. She knows that pain viscerally and that really

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00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: mattered because when Biden and Pelosi were collaborating to what

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Speaker 1: the eviction moratorium expire, effectively abandoning millions of Americans and homelessness,

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Speaker 1: congress Woman Bush she wasn't having it. She went and

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Speaker 1: she camped down on the Capitol steps and she said,

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Speaker 1: I am not leaving here until we take care of this.

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Speaker 1: And I want to say I was a little off

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Speaker 1: of my analysis. I allowed my cynicism to take hold

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Speaker 1: and thought this wasn't going to work without pairing it

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Speaker 1: with a more hardball legislative tactic. But Corey and her

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00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: allies did something that we really haven't seen much in

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Speaker 1: the Biden era. They were direct in saying this is

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Speaker 1: the fault of Democrats. They created public outrage and made

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Speaker 1: it clear the distance between the hollow rhetoric of Pelosi

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Speaker 1: and the White House and their actual actions. Congresswoman Bush

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Speaker 1: created a moment of undeniable public shaming for the administration,

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Speaker 1: and that was, in fact, a very powerful thing. Within days,

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Speaker 1: Biden went from sorry, guys, nothing we can do here too. Okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: we'll extend the moratorium for ninety percent of America. This

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Speaker 1: dude did not even inquire what the CDC might be

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Speaker 1: able to do until Corey and the squad shamed him

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Speaker 1: into it. It's not perfect. Of course, millions are still

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Speaker 1: at risk. This is only a temporary reprieve, but it's

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Speaker 1: also not nothing. Just watch this moment when a family

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Speaker 1: that was about to get evicted got to speak to

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Speaker 1: Congresswoman Bush. When I put that up, I never thought

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Speaker 1: that anybody would anybody would have reached ye, especially see

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Speaker 1: in it and then say hear that a congress person

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Speaker 1: it reached. My story reached you. This is just amazing.

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Speaker 1: I'm so thankful for that there's people like you out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm so thankful for it. Thank you so much. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry that woman and her babies have a roof over

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Speaker 1: their head at least for a little while longer. And

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Speaker 1: that is effectively the counter argument to Cliveburn's go along

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01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: to get along politics. It is a tangible example of

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Speaker 1: how having a troublemaker as a representative can materially deliver

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Speaker 1: for you, even when they are pissing off power. Voters

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01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: are going to need a lot more examples of this

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01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: type of courage creating actual, tangible results before they're convinced

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Speaker 1: that this calculus is going to work out for them.

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Speaker 1: But Corey Bush did just provide the model. Now it

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Speaker 1: is easy to slip in a nihilism and think, jeez,

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Speaker 1: if even the fabulously talented and delightful Nina Turner, who

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01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: do it have everything right, can be defeated, why bother?

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Speaker 1: But that ignores Corey Bush, It ignores India Walton and

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01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: ors fifteen dollars minimum wage in Florida and complete drug

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Speaker 1: decriminalization in Oregon. It is a politics effectively of abandoning

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01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: hope for the millions of Americans who deserve better than

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Speaker 1: thinking some tiny incremental access to power is the best

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Speaker 1: that they can possibly hope for. This week showed us

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Speaker 1: all the pails and all the possibilities. Do not cherry

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Speaker 1: pick just the doom. Take it all, learn what there

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Speaker 1: is to learn, and keep moving forward. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's easy. Especially one more thing, I promise.

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Speaker 1: Just wanted to make sure you knew about my podcast

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Speaker 1: with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends, where

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Speaker 1: we do long form interviews with people like Nom Chomsky,

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Speaker 1: Cornell West, and Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any

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Speaker 1: podcast platform, or you can subscribe over on substack to

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Speaker 1: get the video a day early. We're gonna stop bugging

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Speaker 1: you now enjoy all right, zacher, what are you looking at? Well?

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Speaker 1: I know some of you are sick of hearing me

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Speaker 1: talk about the lab leading apothesis, so I will promise

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Speaker 1: you at the top, everything in this monologue is brand

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Speaker 1: new information that, if you're interested in the origins of coronavirus,

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Speaker 1: is vital to your understanding. As usual, absent the great

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Speaker 1: Josh Rogan at the Washington Post, this has been completely

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Speaker 1: ignored by the mainstream media. So the new information concerning

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Speaker 1: the circumstances of the origins of COVID comes from a

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Speaker 1: new addendum by the House Foreign Affairs Committee, which has

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Speaker 1: reviewed classified intelligence and included key new facts to our

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Speaker 1: understanding of the timeline. The most stunning headline that comes

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Speaker 1: from the report is this sentence quote. The preponderance of

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Speaker 1: evidence suggests SARS covy two was accidentally released from a

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Speaker 1: Wuhan Institute of Virology laboratory sometime prior to September twelfth,

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. That's right, two months before. Reports indicate that

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Speaker 1: researchers at the lab itself fell so sick they required hospitalization. Now, frankly,

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Speaker 1: this statement stunned me, but it actually makes complete sense

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Speaker 1: when they described the cover up and a new set

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Speaker 1: of key facts. The report details how between two and

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Speaker 1: three am local time in Wuhan, China, the Wuhan Institute

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Speaker 1: of Virologies online public database of samples and virus sequences

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Speaker 1: was taken down mysteriously. That database contained key information about

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Speaker 1: each sample in the lab, including what type of animal

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Speaker 1: was collected, where it was collected, whether a virus was

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Speaker 1: successfully isolated, and more. Now get this. To date, the

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Speaker 1: database has not yet been put back online. The Chinese's

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Speaker 1: only explanation in January twenty twenty one is the database

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Speaker 1: was taken down for cyber attacks related to the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: But it was taken down in September, so that doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any sense. Right around this time, geospatial analysis from

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Speaker 1: Harvard and Boston University found that the parking lot volume

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Speaker 1: of all the hospitals in Wuhan had the highest daily

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Speaker 1: volume of cars in the parking lot in September and

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Speaker 1: October of twenty nineteen, far before the first reported cases

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Speaker 1: of COVID. Now, that is, along with a massive spy

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Speaker 1: in search terms on the Chinese version of Google, known

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Speaker 1: as Baidu for the terms cough and diarrhea during those

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Speaker 1: corresponding months. The third stunning data point revealed by the

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Speaker 1: committee concerns the twenty nineteen Military World Games. It was

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Speaker 1: held in Wuhan on October eighteenth, twenty nineteen. The Games

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Speaker 1: are basically the Olympics, but for athletes in the military.

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Speaker 1: There were ninety three hundred athletes with one hundred and

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Speaker 1: nine countries that were represented there. Now, I wasn't noticed

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Speaker 1: at the time, but several athletes at the games came

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Speaker 1: down with what we now recognize as COVID nineteen symptoms.

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Speaker 1: The craziest part is this, the athletes remember now that

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Speaker 1: Wuhan looked really weird at the time. One says he

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Speaker 1: got his temperature taken at the airport. They also described

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Speaker 1: in October that the city of fifteen million people looked

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Speaker 1: like it was on lockdown. One Canadian athlete described this quote,

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Speaker 1: I got very sick twelve days after we arrived, fever, chills, vomiting,

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Speaker 1: insomnia on our flight to come home. Sixty Canadian athletes

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Speaker 1: on the flight were put in isolation at the back

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Speaker 1: of the plane for the twelve hour flight. We were

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Speaker 1: sick with symptoms ranging from coughs to diarrhea and in between.

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Speaker 1: Later analysis shows that Italy, Brazil, Sweden, and France says

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Speaker 1: that they had patients within their borders who had covid

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Speaker 1: antibodies from before November twenty nineteen. All four countries had

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Speaker 1: representatives at the Games. All of the patients that had

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Speaker 1: tested never left the country, indicating a common source of

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Speaker 1: community spread within those countries that comes from a single

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Speaker 1: point of origin. That's the circumstantial evidence. You can draw

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Speaker 1: from it what you will. It seems pretty clear to

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Speaker 1: me personally. But the report doesn't stop there. It also

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Speaker 1: delves into the cover up on this side of the Pacific.

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Speaker 1: It brings us to a familiar character, doctor Peter Dazac

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Speaker 1: of Eco Health Alliance, who is the one who facilitated

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Speaker 1: grant money from doctor Fauci to the actual Wuhan Lab.

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Speaker 1: Dazac's relationship within the Wuhan Lab and its top scientists

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Speaker 1: goes all the way back to two thousand and five,

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Speaker 1: where the pair would go into bat caves to collect

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Speaker 1: samples together. Now, the new report uncovers evidence that shows

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Speaker 1: Dazac likely at the tip of the spear of a

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Speaker 1: Chinese influence campaign. In February of twenty twenty, he organized

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Speaker 1: a letter with scientific colleagues condemning quote conspiracy theories about

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Speaker 1: the origins of the coronavirus. But what we now know

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Speaker 1: is that Dazak organized that letter specifically at the behest

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Speaker 1: of his former colleagues at the Wuhan Lab, who asked

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Speaker 1: him for help in dismissing the theory. Now encourage you

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Speaker 1: all to go and read this report for yourselves. The

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Speaker 1: link will be down there in the description. But the

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Speaker 1: most important part to me is this show me an

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Speaker 1: iota of evidence on the other side for the natural

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Speaker 1: origin hypothesis, which comes even close to everything I just

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Speaker 1: laid out here, Which bat how did it fly so far?

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Speaker 1: Who was patient zero? Why would the Chinese government lie

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Speaker 1: about this natural origin virus but not the one that

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Speaker 1: leaked from a lab. The preponderance of evidence points in

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Speaker 1: a single direction that coronavirus leaked from the Wuhan Lab

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Speaker 1: sometime in late twenty nineteen. As we have stated repeatedly here,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't just indict the Chinese government. It indicts our

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Speaker 1: own for its complicity, and it indicts many of the

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Speaker 1: so called heroes of the pandemic, like doctor Fauci. But

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Speaker 1: most importantly, it indicts us all. Let's be honest, Trump

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Speaker 1: and the media tore us apart during the pandemic, masks

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Speaker 1: social distancing restrictions. It all came part of a culture

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Speaker 1: war instead of something we were collectively trying to get

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Speaker 1: through together. Both Trump and the media were so noxious

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Speaker 1: and hateful towards each other that millions retreated into their

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Speaker 1: corners to fight rather than to get through something. And

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Speaker 1: of course we can't agree on the facts when we

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Speaker 1: see two different realities. The real tragedy is I already

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Speaker 1: know this monologue won't make much of a difference. I

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Speaker 1: know most people who watch MSNBC or CNN will never

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Speaker 1: care about the facts. They will think we're all racist

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Speaker 1: for even pointing this out. And I know many right

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Speaker 1: wingers who purport to care but don't. Actually they just

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Speaker 1: really hate Fauci. That's the real tragedy of the current

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Speaker 1: media environment. The pandemic costs US six trillion dollars globally.

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Speaker 1: It killed millions of people. Hundreds of thousands of Americans

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Speaker 1: are dead. It basically stopped life for nearly eighteen months, straight.

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Speaker 1: Getting to the bottom of it is vitally important for mankind,

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Speaker 1: so we can avoid any of this in the future.

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Speaker 1: And that was really my goal with this thing. Crystal

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Speaker 1: is like, look, we could all right, We've got economics

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Speaker 1: reporter for the Washington Post. Our great friend Jeff Stein

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Speaker 1: is here with a big scoop this morning. Too great

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Speaker 1: to Jeff. Good to see sir. Thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: much for having me back on. So you got some

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Speaker 1: great insight into what exactly happened with regards to the

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Speaker 1: eviction moratorium how Biden. I mean, this was a complete

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Speaker 1: flip flop and turn about. So what were those conversations

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Speaker 1: like behind the scenes. Yeah, so I know your audience.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're not that interested in subs since they

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Speaker 1: just want to know he was up, Who's down the

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Speaker 1: Washington Insider Potato house most recently spotted where you can't

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Speaker 1: get that kind of stuff from Morning Joe, you will

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Speaker 1: get that. Here's that is our core offer. So I

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Speaker 1: can give you the inside scoop inside of the house

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Speaker 1: all And what happened essentially is that as pressure grew

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Speaker 1: from Representative Corey Bush and how Speaker Nancy Peloisi on

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Speaker 1: the eviction moratorium, you guess did great job of covering that.

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Speaker 1: Last week, the White House and President Biden in particular,

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Speaker 1: designated his chief of Staff, ron Klain, to find an

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Speaker 1: alternative legal basis for extending the band. The White House

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Speaker 1: Legal Counsel had come up with an opinion that Biden

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Speaker 1: had accepted that said that you did not have the

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Speaker 1: authority to do this, but what is the timeline on all?

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Speaker 1: When did that opinion come out? And then when did

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Speaker 1: she say, hey, Clain, you got to figure this out.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure precisely when she came up with opinion.

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Speaker 1: I know that by the week before the moratorium extended,

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Speaker 1: there was a private White House meeting and discussions. Gene Spurling,

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Speaker 1: Brian Deese, and Susan Rice were all involved in a

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Speaker 1: discussion to say, hey, is there something we can do

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Speaker 1: to get this going? And the White House Council Office

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Speaker 1: said no. By the weekend, ron Klain and President Biden

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Speaker 1: are talking about, well, what's going, Well can we do here?

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Speaker 1: Pelosi is adamant that this is the administration's responsibility and

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Speaker 1: they have to figure out how to do it. So

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Speaker 1: what happened was ron Klain called Lawrence Tribe, who's a

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Speaker 1: Harvard professor, and said, is there any alternative explanation? Tribe

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Speaker 1: comes up with the defense basically, which we can get

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Speaker 1: into in a second. It says, essentially, if we do

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Speaker 1: a targeted moratorium for places where they're dealing with COVID

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Speaker 1: very significantly, that is separate from what the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: warned against and therefore valid. And Tribe also worked extensively

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Speaker 1: with the White House Counsel's Office. They come up with

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Speaker 1: a justification, White House Counsel's Office changes its mind, gets

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Speaker 1: behind that, and by I think it's Tuesday, they're on board.

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Speaker 1: So that's interesting. So basically he had accepted this guidance.

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Speaker 1: Then okay, so talk about the public pressure then, like

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Speaker 1: what were the levers and what were the arguments being made.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Corey Bush is on TV, people like us are

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Speaker 1: covering it, a lot of other people are covering it.

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Speaker 1: But then also you have Nancy Pelosi who's in this bind.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you could talk a bit about that. Which is that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, as Rokana said on our show, the truth

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Speaker 1: is like some Democrats in the caucus did not want

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Speaker 1: to extend this moratorium, So like what was she doing

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes here. I mean, the White House sources

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Speaker 1: I've talked to have said primarily that your segment was

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Speaker 1: what moved the needle here, right, of course, Yeah, But

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Speaker 1: beyond breaking points, Pelosi spent the weekend in conversations with

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Speaker 1: senior White House officials. She called clan Steve Schetty, one

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Speaker 1: of the President's closest aides, and it's my understanding that

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Speaker 1: she spoke to the President three separate times after the

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Speaker 1: President kicked the ball to Congress and before the new

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Speaker 1: moratorium was announced. I think, you know, this is obviously,

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Speaker 1: the potential for a human tragedy was immense, and in

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Speaker 1: many cases still is. But there's also the political ramifications

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Speaker 1: of the White House dealing with headlines about in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a pandemic in many states in Missouri, you know, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: you know, Arizona, are those important, potentially important states with

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Speaker 1: millions of people at risk of losing their homes. And

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Speaker 1: I think this is kind of the fundamental tension that

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Speaker 1: the White House is currently wrestling with. They are trying

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Speaker 1: to project that the economy is coming back, that this

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Speaker 1: is a time to you know, and you know, especially

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Speaker 1: before the delta, that they wanted to put, you know,

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Speaker 1: present an aura of economic normalcy, but the pandemic era

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Speaker 1: government protections are beginning to expire. And though there's a

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Speaker 1: conflict there, how do we present our economy as rebounding,

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Speaker 1: as us moving beyond the pandemic without letting you know, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, keeping these these extraordinary government measures in place.

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Speaker 1: So I think that was what they were wrestling with.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know personally. I have people

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Speaker 1: in mine whosuits told me that Biden was always open

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Speaker 1: to extending it, but just was constrained by Counsel's office.

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Speaker 1: I think that many of your listeners will be skeptical

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Speaker 1: of that. I think we should be skeptical. Apical. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well I do want to ask, though, because part of

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Speaker 1: what is so perplexing here is the timing. Because it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a mystery that, you know, the Supreme Court had

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Speaker 1: ruled in this way. It was not a mystery that

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Speaker 1: the funds that were allocated were not actually getting in

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Speaker 1: the hands of tenants to make them home. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: a mystery that the state was the deadline for the

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Speaker 1: viction moratorium, and yet no one acted until the very

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Speaker 1: last minute. So focusing. I guess I'd like to know

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Speaker 1: both from Biden and Pelosi. Biden gets whatever this decision is.

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Speaker 1: From counsel, this is, hey, you can't do it, but

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Speaker 1: he doesn't say anything about it till the end of

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Speaker 1: last week when the moratory is about to expire. When

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Speaker 1: we talked to Congressman Conna, his impression, or what he

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Speaker 1: said to us, is that there was an expectation from

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Speaker 1: Pelosi and others in the House that the CDC was

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Speaker 1: going to do some kind of an eviction moratorium and

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Speaker 1: that they truly were sort of caught off guard, but

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Speaker 1: that didn't happen. On the other hand, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: ruling is pretty clear Connress just got to do something

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Speaker 1: if you want this to be extended. And the House

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Speaker 1: also didn't move to do anything whatsoever. So why was

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Speaker 1: why did this come down to the last minute, to

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Speaker 1: the point where as your paper was covering, you know,

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Speaker 1: the evictions did go forward abit during the lapse. There

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Speaker 1: was you know, there were a few days there where

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Speaker 1: people were kicked out of their homes and left in

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Speaker 1: this terrible limbo where they have no idea whether they're

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Speaker 1: going to be there or not. So how did it

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Speaker 1: come down to the last minute like that. I think

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Speaker 1: your summary there is excellent and captures really well exactly

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Speaker 1: that this what what you just said, that this was

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Speaker 1: a fiasco, and that there really it's very hard to

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Speaker 1: understand exactly why the White House, even if they concluded

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Speaker 1: as you said, that there was no legal justification on

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Speaker 1: what possible basis, can they defend waiting until two days

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Speaker 1: before the more ring and lapses to inform Congress. Senator

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Speaker 1: Dick Derbin, the number two ranking Senate Democrat, told reporters

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Speaker 1: that someone dropped the ball, which is you know, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like a very meet quote in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: but for a member of scient Democratic leadership to actively

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Speaker 1: assert that is a really big deal in a sign

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Speaker 1: of the amount of dysfunction there was here, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, some people I talked to in the White

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Speaker 1: House have said, look, we were caught flat footed by

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Speaker 1: the delta area, like we did not. We saw the

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Speaker 1: economy reopening, and we felt that things were head in

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Speaker 1: the right direction. There were some positive GDP numbers or

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Speaker 1: some positive jobs numbers, the vaccination campaign is going well.

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Speaker 1: Then I think there was this mistaken belief that in

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Speaker 1: so far as delta would be a problem. It would

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Speaker 1: be localized, it would be you know, concentrated in the

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Speaker 1: regions where you know, vaccination rates are lowest, which is

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Speaker 1: partially true. But the extent which delta is still a

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Speaker 1: problem beyond that is really striking. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: talked to one senior administration official who I quote in

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Speaker 1: a Washington Post report saying like, what are we doing here? Guys,

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Speaker 1: Like why is this taking so long? And I remember

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Speaker 1: you were covering this weeks before it even happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then I kept being like, are they going to

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Speaker 1: do anything? Do anything? Just nothing happened. It was really extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: And then for them to be like, we're doing all

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Speaker 1: we can when we were asking them about this weeks

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Speaker 1: and weeks ago and they had no explanation, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think to the credit, I mean, maybe to try

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Speaker 1: to explain what they're thinking a little bit more, is

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Speaker 1: they think that the core problem, and I think they're

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Speaker 1: right about this. The core problem is that the rental

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Speaker 1: relief money is not getting out, and even the most

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Speaker 1: left leaning housing out of the kids I talked to, say,

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Speaker 1: Treasury and Yellen are doing really everything within their power

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Speaker 1: within the confines. I thought you had a really good

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Speaker 1: point on the last podcast about a crystal point out

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Speaker 1: that like this could have been done by the federal

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Speaker 1: government yea, and instead they ran it through the states, right,

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Speaker 1: which was I think many people would say it was

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Speaker 1: a mistake. But within that construct, Yellen in particular has

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Speaker 1: been very us have been saying states and cities push

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Speaker 1: out this money to poor people, and we will not,

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Speaker 1: as treasuries have done in the past, hit you with

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01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: a punitive audit like they are. They are laser focused

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Speaker 1: on getting this money out, and I think they're right

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Speaker 1: that that is the fundamental issue here, and that you

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Speaker 1: can extend the moratorium for another three years, right, But

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Speaker 1: if people are not able to pay the back rent

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Speaker 1: that they've accumulated over months and months and months, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know the left doesn't like it when you say this,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of landlords who are not giant corporations

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01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: are going to go out of business, a lot of

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Speaker 1: and then black Rock is going to buy up those properties.

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Speaker 1: And it's perspective either, right, It's it's stupid to erase

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Speaker 1: that the vast majority of landlords in America are small landlords.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying these are like, you know, the

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Speaker 1: paragons or society or whatever, but like they're middle class

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Speaker 1: in many respects and it's just a shitty situation, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's like, look, you can't have this, especially in a

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Speaker 1: property owning society, which I want for everybody, and I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't, you know, downplay that in well,

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Speaker 1: I do want to know more about how and why

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Speaker 1: that program failed because I do think look, on the

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Speaker 1: one hand, you got to say these states and localities

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Speaker 1: have done a poor job in many instances of being

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Speaker 1: able to get this money out. But you also have

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Speaker 1: to say, when you see this as basically failure across

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Speaker 1: the board, there clearly was a flaw on the way

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Speaker 1: that the program was set up. Why are these localities

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Speaker 1: having so much trouble being able to disperse these funds

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Speaker 1: in a way that would help to alleviate the crisis.

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Speaker 1: That's a great question, and I think the just to

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Speaker 1: give a little bit of background, Congress has approved forty

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Speaker 1: six billion dollars in mental assistance. From my understanding, I

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Speaker 1: think it's like about three billion has been spent, and

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Speaker 1: there's more than twenty five you know that estimates vary,

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Speaker 1: but more than twenty five billion dollars in back payments,

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Speaker 1: so that is really not enough money for the need.

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Speaker 1: The core of the issue, as I understand it is

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Speaker 1: basically that states and cities are used to and have

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Speaker 1: gotten ding for not doing this. But they are saying,

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Speaker 1: what we need is documentation and proof from the landlord

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Speaker 1: and from the tenant of you know, when they lose

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Speaker 1: your job, can you provide proof that you lost your job?

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Speaker 1: Can you provide proof of an income hit? Can you

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Speaker 1: provide proof of the hardship that you've undergone. So you

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Speaker 1: have a mountain of paper. A lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: have that. And not only do people not have that,

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Speaker 1: the states and city is often you know, like little

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Speaker 1: cities that don't have a ton of staff. Some of

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Speaker 1: them are trying to hire temp workers at the last minute,

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Speaker 1: but that's like, that's a very hard lift. So the

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Speaker 1: states and cities are looking at this program and saying,

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Speaker 1: in the past, we've given out money that we thought

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Speaker 1: we were being responsible about, and then the next year

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Speaker 1: the federal government will say, hey, why don't this money

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Speaker 1: get to the people who deserve it. You gave it

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Speaker 1: to person X incorrectly. We're going to find you and

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Speaker 1: so people who run state treasuries and city treasuries are

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Speaker 1: understandably like hyper sensitive about that happening to them. So

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Speaker 1: they are even though treasury, the current Treasury, is trying

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Speaker 1: to say go spend the money, go spend the money,

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Speaker 1: they're still insisting on a lot of these documentation requirements

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Speaker 1: that make it very, very hard for low income people

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Speaker 1: to meet. I was just talking to a really excellent

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Speaker 1: housing expert, Paul Williams at the Jane Family Institute, and

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Speaker 1: he was making the point that Yellen has even said

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Speaker 1: to these states and cities that they can just look

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Speaker 1: at the median income within a certain I don't remember

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Speaker 1: municipality what the exact designation is, and push out the

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Speaker 1: money on that basis. That's like a uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: ten years ago, like in the height of deficit hysteria.

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Speaker 1: That would be an unbelievable political scan, right. But Yellen

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Speaker 1: is I think to a lot of the housing experts,

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Speaker 1: joy Like is actually just saying like, just go spend

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Speaker 1: the money and we will not come back for it

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Speaker 1: and hit you for it later. And they don't believe her.

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Speaker 1: So air on the side of getting the money out

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Speaker 1: rather than being like, we must not have any waste,

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Speaker 1: fraud or abuse. And I understand different, right, but then

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Speaker 1: you have you know, like I get it. I get

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Speaker 1: the hesitancy because reporters and people in the meetia like

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Speaker 1: myself will then write stories like all the money was

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Speaker 1: miss millions or whatever. I remember seeing that about it's

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Speaker 1: like dead people got X million dollar. I was like, guys,

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Speaker 1: is a trillion dollar bill? You're talking about zero point

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Speaker 1: oh one percent of the bill. This is all that's

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Speaker 1: so security? Yeah, that's dead people. Yeah, it's always such

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Speaker 1: an annoying scandal. So then let's talk. I think we

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Speaker 1: have a Washington Post story, so if we can put

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Speaker 1: that on the screen, just about what exactly the is

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Speaker 1: being covered here in terms of eighty percent of the population.

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Speaker 1: So I also saw reports of ninety percent of the population.

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Speaker 1: Ninety percent. What is actually being covered here? Well, let's

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Speaker 1: let's explain that, I think a little bit to the

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01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: audience because people will say, oh, you know, the Biden

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01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: administration obviously using the most expansive definition, so eighty percent

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Speaker 1: are covered for how long? What are the legal ramifications?

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Speaker 1: Does the White House expect to loose in court? If so, like,

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Speaker 1: how soon? What? What are these guys thinking. So I

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Speaker 1: don't remember the precise uh categories, but if it's if

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Speaker 1: the community spread of COVID is above a certain level

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Speaker 1: in that community. The eighty ninety thing is a little confusing,

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Speaker 1: and I had that confusion too. Essentially, it's eighty percent

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Speaker 1: of counties will be covered, but within that eighty percent

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Speaker 1: of counties, it's ninety percent of the population. Okay, got it.

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Speaker 1: What was your other question about about what they're thinking?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, in terms of the lefication, So there's two

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Speaker 1: things I want to send the legal ramifications. One, there's

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Speaker 1: a very interesting section of the moratorium that includes over

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Speaker 1: a year of jail time for a landlord who knowingly

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Speaker 1: yes bylights role, which is a very big deal and

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Speaker 1: it will be very interesting, especially if any landlords initiated

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Speaker 1: legal proceedings before this was in place. Will people try

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Speaker 1: to say after the fact, we know that the Realtor's

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Speaker 1: Association filed a lawsuit last night to stop this, but

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Speaker 1: some of I'm a little out of my depth on

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Speaker 1: what is going to happen in the courts here. But

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Speaker 1: my understanding is it could be weeks before they take

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Speaker 1: this up, which could be a huge deal. I think

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Speaker 1: The hope is that they don't take this up till October.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of when the court is going to be back,

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Speaker 1: I think, right. And so the expectation is that's why

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Speaker 1: they extended the moratorium until October third under the new guidance,

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01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: because that's when the court comes back. That sense, so

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Speaker 1: it's not just the eviction moratorium that is set to end.

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Speaker 1: In terms of pandemic relief. You've got also mortgage for barons.

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Speaker 1: You've got student loan debt for barons. You have expanded

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Speaker 1: SNAP program, you have unemployment insurance. This is another thing

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Speaker 1: you've been really pushing and pointing out, is the fact

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Speaker 1: that twenty million people are set to lose unemployment. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to be on vacation. Next week, the amazing Kyle Kolinski

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Speaker 1: will be sitting in KKF take looking over sat here.

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