WEBVTT - 108: Unhappy Science 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.680 It's eleven ten pm in New Pretty Town and you're 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:16.800 listening to Nightcall. Hello, and welcome to Nightcall, a podcast 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:22.600 call in show rather Collin show for artist Tope. In reality, 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.400 I'm Emily Oshida, I am in Los Angeles and with 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.080 me on the other end of the line are I'm 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.240 Tess Lynch and I'm Molly Lambert's. Did you guys face off? 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.960 We got? Our larynx has exchanged. We did. It's going great? Yeah? 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.640 Many more cats now, yeah, I have. I have so 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:50.040 many children in a geodesic dome and two giant geodes 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.680 to take care of. We wanted to kick things off 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.880 this week with a night call or night email rather 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.200 from our listener. Lacy. Lacy writes, after listening to your 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.200 conversation with Gia and reading her article, I could not 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.440 stop thinking about the O G. Twilight Zone episode number 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.200 twelve looks just like you. I'm sure you all have 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.760 seen it, as I've heard you referenced the show often, 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.000 but basically, the episode takes place in a dystopian future 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.679 where every teenager has to undergo the Transformation, where their 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.559 bodies are changed to fit a conventionally attractive and fit 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.720 numbered model of their choosing. The protagonist is a girl 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.679 who refuses to undergo the transformation, which no one around 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.440 her can understand. Ultimately, she's forced to comply, and as 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.399 you find out, the transformation also brainwashes people into conforming. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.920 It's incredibly depressing. But in addition to you know, looking good, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.959 the transformation is supposed to lengthen lifespan and provide immunitated disease, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.280 conflating beauty and wellness. Botox is already being used to 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.880 treat migraines, and I haven't done enough research to form 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.280 a solid opinion about whether it's a placebo or not. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.240 But do you think that as time goes on, more 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.320 cosmetic procedures will be touted as having health benefits or 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.559 do you see cosmetic and medical seizures being packaged together 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.320 to persuade the so far unconvinced to get on board 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.960 with plastic surgery. Well I hadn't until just now, and 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.519 now I'm like, of course that will happen. Oh absolutely 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.440 so I Um, I my mom sent me a care 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:20.200 package recently, a few weeks ago, and she gets Vogue. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.840 For some reason, I think Vogue is one of these 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.440 many Um, this is my conspiracy theory BTW about like 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.280 print media right now, which is that a lot of 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:30.840 if you start to get a magazine mysteriously that you 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.240 never subscribed to, like they're just doing it so they 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.200 have their circulation numbers up. They're just randomly giving you 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.600 a subscription so they can tell advertisers that they are 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.040 circulating to so many people. So like Vogue is one 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:45.920 of these magazines that do this. I think here's what 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.880 I think. I think when you start mysteriously getting a 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.280 magazine that you've never gotten before. I thought it was 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.680 to replace a magazine that went out of business, and 0:02:54.720 --> 0:03:01.720 they're like, we don't have Mademoiselle anymore. Now you get Tremor. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.880 I don't know. I mean my mom never subscribed to 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.280 any I don't know whatever. Any short, this is a 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.919 very tangential part of the story. So she she gets, Okay, 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.160 you can admit that you love reading Vogue and it's 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.080 your favorite. This last week I was I was a 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.320 founding member of the fashion club at City High School 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.040 in Iowa City, Iowa. I love Vogue. I love and 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.639 and Win Tour. I love everything she stands for. Did 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:28.520 you see andre Leon Tally saying that she has no empathy. Yeah, scathing, 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.680 But wait, I want to know what's in this care 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.519 package that Emily's mom sent because I'm curious if it's 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.520 like d I y plastic surgery stuff. So there's an 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:41.760 article about like, I don't know, I'm probably not going 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.760 to pronounce this correctly, but guash shaw the like um 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.720 like facial massage um. And it's actually pretty like So 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.440 I was just like, you know, flipping through the Vogue 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:52.720 and then I started reading this, well, I was like 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.520 eating my eggs or whatever. Um. And it's so funny 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.320 because you know, it's like this, you know, it's one 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.720 of these many things that gets touted as like ancient 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:07.320 Chinese secrets and like some like these these you know, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.840 mystical health benefits that can help rich white women look younger. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:13.960 But it's so funny because like they talked to one 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.919 of the one of the doctors that really helped popularize 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.440 it and make it into this like you know, glammy 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.520 thing where people are like selling jade rollers for hundreds 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:26.120 of dollars, and she said something that I thought was 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.800 so funny, which is just like, the skin is a 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.920 map for what's going on in the body, which to me, 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.880 is just like a great excuse to be like, if 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:40.520 you look hot, then you're healthy. Yes, totally Guasha gas 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.120 saw I started. I kind of had heard of it 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.200 because a friend of mine does it and she just 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.839 like loves it. But you take it's a stone that's 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.800 kind of like thin and almost like it's not super sharp, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.080 but it's thin on one side and then the other 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:59.000 side is more rounded, and you sweep the you know, 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.320 you sweep it against from like your nose outward, and 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.680 I guess that it's not I mean, it's supposed to 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.440 make your skin look good, but it also is kind 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:11.000 of marketed with the idea that you're you're sweeping toxins 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.040 towards your lymph nodes um. And I was so put 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.400 off by it until we weren't supposed to be touching 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.440 our faces, and then all of a sudden, it was 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.520 like this great forbidden thing. So I was like, I 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.600 don't need to buy a stone because I have all 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.320 these weird crystals that we bought at or I bought 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.320 at the store that was like right around from where 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.480 we used to record when we recorded in a studio, 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.039 that are just smooth enough that you can kind of 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.280 just do it yourself, and I'm not putting weird oils on. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.400 But I was like, this is fantastic because all I 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.080 want to do is touch my face and this this 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.440 gives you an excuse, but the idea is that, yeah, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.279 like you're you're flushing away all the bad stuff that's 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:55.040 lingering under your skin. I mean, I think we've determined 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.159 on this show that touching your face feels super good. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.640 It's so good, it's definitely a drug. Yeah. I'd had 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.400 my whole facial massage thing, which is less. I I 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.159 don't think that that was like gas shaw but it 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.800 was just like a lymph note stimulation thing and then 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:14.400 I started breaking out for so I stopped. But vanity 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:19.880 always rules. So I've also seen there's a dermatologist called 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.760 the Skin, which I forget what her actual name is, 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.720 but I learned about her because Haley Baldwin goes to her. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:32.680 Haley Baldwin Bieber my friend, um, and she posted about 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:38.880 her and she does like dermatology that's also ricky, you know, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.440 which I think is very much in this family. It's 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:46.839 like energy healing plus dermatology. Um. I think especially energy 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.960 heal your face from being ugly. Yeah, well, I think 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:54.760 soup Is really sets the standard here with combining sort 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.080 of new age stuff and putting it under the umbrella 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.839 of wellness. Um. And I think you guys are super 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.039 right about the idea of being like, oh, if you 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.760 look hot, you must be good, which is like help 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:13.120 just to rock skip away from eugenics. Yeah. Also, I 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.559 mean it's hard because bringing up the number twelve looks 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.680 just like you. I wish actually we could just do 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.400 an entire episode dedicated to this, uh this you know 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.360 in this episode I guess, um, or just the Twilight 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.240 Zone in general. Maybe we'll get around to doing that 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.120 Twilight Zone in October. We can do a marathon Twilight 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.040 Zone marathon like they do. That's traditionally January, right, we 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.560 should kick things off one by just watching the Twilight 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.520 Zone marathon. Maybe, um, we probably won't be allowed out. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:47.320 So this is this what all finally gets us to 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:52.120 get CBS All Access subscription. Yes, yes, there's no way otherwise. 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.000 I actually as much New Star Trek as you want, 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.920 I'm never going I have one. Accidentally, for like a year, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.960 I did the trial before they had released all the 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.400 new Twilight Zones, and then I was so upset. I 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.320 was like, if I had waited, I could have just 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.760 binged them during my trial, but I just planned it 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.360 really badly. Um. And I really liked the ones that 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:16.800 I saw of the reboot. Yeah. Um. But I think 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:20.240 that this episode is super you know, it definitely fits 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.800 with most of what we've been talking about over the 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.600 course of this month, because there's it's very nightcall in 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.600 that the underlying like sinister thing is that the government. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.000 It's not that people all want to look a certain way, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.880 it's that the government is enforcing it and manipulating them 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:42.360 psychologically during these surgeries to make them satisfied with looking 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.120 the way they do and more compliant and stuff, um, 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:49.599 which is very very white powdery. It's it's very eugenic Z. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.480 And I think that that's kind of I mean, that's 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.800 there in the episode. It's not like we're not becoming 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.760 genius interpreters here, it's just there. Um. And so it 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.160 does it does seem kind of dangerous when you start 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:06.760 thinking of how doctors could suggest benefits that are not like, 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.439 you know, cosmetic benefits from cosmetic surgery, or if there 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.080 was a way to package those things together and to 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.280 try to like coerce people to get plastic surgery. One 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.520 thing I really noticed, because I think coming out of 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.920 the nineties when there was a lot of like pushback 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.840 on plastic surgery, for a while, it felt like and 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.600 then it felt like in the two thousands it suddenly 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.400 became just like normalized. But especially in beauty magazines. I 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.080 remember reading things and being like, this is an advertorial, right, 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.320 And it probably was because it was so accessible. Became 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.800 just like like trend pieces about like ladies who do 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:49.400 botox ses and it was all packages empowering to do it. Um. 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.200 But I remember also reading when I forget what magazine 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.560 it was in, but it was about a plastic surgeon 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.480 who specialized in like ethnic nose jobs. They were like, 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:00.880 we know you're like a person of color and you 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:02.360 want to get a nose job, but you don't want 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.440 it to be like a Michael Jackson nose jobs, So 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.720 we were going to give you like a nose job 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:10.360 that fits your face. And it was like packaging is 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.760 it is empowering? And it just like really broke my 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.280 brain because I was like right, because it fed back 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.440 into the choice feminism of like, well, if that's what 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.880 you want, right, and then if there are social benefits 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.080 to like looking white, that is also bad. It's all bad. 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.760 On the other hand, I wonder if eventually there will 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.600 they will discover some kind of benefit of something that 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.800 is like a cosmetic person. I mean, just like with 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.560 the botox and migraines or botox and nose jobs and 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.839 and deviated septoms. That's always the excuse. That's a lot 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:46.160 of times that's that's sometimes that's very real too, like 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.240 your nose, like yeah, yeah, or you can do that, 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.800 like that can be real, Like that could be an 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.800 excuse to be like, oh and then I'll fix this 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.560 crooked thing in my nose while they're in there. I 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:02.040 also think breast reductions are obviously mostly done by people 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:06.520 who are suffering health problems because of carrying too much 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.880 weight and like they want to reduce their back problems 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.360 or what I like. Obviously there's no qualms with that. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.240 I wonder what they'll come up with though next. It's 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.280 also like a freedom of choice aspect to it. Were 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.600 like sometimes people who get a lot of extreme surgery, 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.720 it's like for their own personal happiness in a way 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.480 that has nothing to do with people finding it hot, 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:34.920 you know, right, yeah, um, yeah, I think it was funny. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:36.880 This has nothing to do with surgery, but just about 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.400 the idea of like who you're looking hot for. A 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.080 friend of the podcast, Michelle Dean tweeted today like, oh, 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.079 it's so great, Like the quarantine has made me realize 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.760 that like has really permanently done away with the idea 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.120 that I had that I was putting on makeup and 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.200 and and dressing up and like looking you know, trying 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.640 to look good for myself, because I've completely stopped. But 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.880 I have the exact opposite experience. I think it's different 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.680 stokes for everybody, because I nothing has has given me 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:10.200 more distraction and soothed me than putting on makeup for 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.280 nobody else, like just being around the house and just 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.840 having a full face of makeup. I put on makeup 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.240 today for the podcast because it made me feel like 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:23.560 I was going to work. It's like I'm awake now 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.480 type thing. I don't know, No, I even brush my 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.679 teeth today. Honestly, I'm so far off the spectrum at 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.920 this point. It's crazy. I think. With what Emily and 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.840 I are talking about, it's also kind of like a 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.880 like a jokering up thing, you know, I referring it 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.480 putting on your paint while you're crying. Yeah, I refer 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.960 to it often. I probably should stop doing this. But 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.520 there's a Simpsons joke where Homer makes a makeup gun 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.240 for Marge. He's like becomes an inventor on one of 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.320 the things. He invents a makeup gun and he accidentally 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:56.800 shoots it at the wall and it just like puts 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.480 a full face of makeup on the wall. So sometimes 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.440 I say, like, I'm going to go shoot the makeup 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.440 gun at my face, because that's what I think of 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.360 it as it's just like true. Yeah, like it's like 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.760 a cartoon gun. It's like a broader rabbit gun. It 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:16.199 just goes like splut. And then seeing my Instagram stories, 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.480 I love your vampire put on the clown face. I 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.520 want to shout out to makeup artists whose work I 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:28.120 really like that have been bringing me enjoyment during Quarantine. 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.840 My friends Sandy Sandy Ganzer, she's amazing. She's a great 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.360 makeup artist, and in Quarantine, she's been doing all of 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:41.320 the looks from Kevin Oswan's Making Faces Fun Super fun book. 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.120 It's so fun. I love it too, and I like 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.360 so like I never even bought it. I just looked 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:48.720 at it at the bookstore all the time. My friend 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.959 had it, so I would always look at it her house. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.400 She's doing all the looks. She's running out of wigs, 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.400 so if anybody wants to send her wigs to do 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.160 some of the remaining looks. And she did one on 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.320 her husband to four days ago, she did the show 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.120 Girl on him. Um. And there's also a makeup artist 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:06.959 that I've been following for a while whose name is 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.679 anything for Selena's. I believe there's a lot of a's 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.360 and s is in there, but she is just like 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.559 the most incredible, like avant garde makeup artist where she 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.479 does a lot of really just outrageous stuff with eyeliner 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.920 that is very inspiring to me. Ragious lineliner. Oh guys, 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:32.400 I bought an eyeliner stamp and I love it. I said, 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.440 I wasn't brushing my teeth, are putting on any makeup. 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.040 But the other day I my daughter wanted to do 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.200 a photo shoot, so I busted out all the stuff 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.680 I had and this has you have a right and 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.560 a left, so it comes in a pack of two 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.120 and it you stamp the wing and then the other 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.440 side of the the other side of the thing is 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.360 like a pen, so you can just fill it in 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:56.360 and it's so much fun. It's very good. Test. It 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:01.000 sounds like you're living a very French lifestyle. Oh really, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.440 letting a four year old do my makeup, just like 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.320 not brushing your teeth but wearing eyeliner. You're wearing a 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.960 very a very nice like um scarf. Today, I am 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.440 wearing a bandana that I got to wear as a 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.280 face mask. But I have decided not to go anywhere 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.560 for you a zum background of the beach. So I 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.200 just keep being like, oh, tests is yachting today? And 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.440 then having such a silly in my closet. Look at 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.200 what I can do if I turned my head, I 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:33.400 raised my body. It's like plastic surgery. It's very meta. Now, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.520 just ahead before we move on from from number twelve books, 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.640 just like you, um, I wanted to uh to bring 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:45.200 up this book series. Is why I book series that 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.360 I have read like half of the first one, just 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.120 like in the bookstore when I like in two thousand 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.600 nine or something, whenever it was out, and when I 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.120 was convinced that writing a y book would be my 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:00.160 ticket out of poverty. Um, it's called The Uglies, which 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.040 is basically it's basically like a straight up rip off 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.280 of Number twelve. Looks just like yere, except there were 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.400 like four books, and it's of course like a whole 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:12.120 Hunger Games esque type dystopian why adventure. But um, it's 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:16.440 about a world in which, uh, when you start to 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.320 go through puberty. So when you're young, you're called a 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.520 literally like you're just like a little a little human. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.960 When you turn twelve and you start to go through puberty, 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:34.600 are called an ugly. Uh. And you you were made 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.800 an ugly until you turn sixteen, which is when you 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:44.520 get a procedure called the Operation, which turns you into 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.800 a pretty. And then you become a new pretty and 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.000 you get to move out of um you get to 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.920 move out of the suburbs into New pretty Town, which 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.240 is where all of the new pretties live. And then 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.680 as you grow older, you become a middle pretty, a 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:05.680 late pretty, and then oh yeah, late pretties are also 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:12.439 called crumbullies. This is like very roll doll or something. No, 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.679 totally yeah, it's very There are there are four books. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.199 I did not read all of them, but I just 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:23.439 I thought that the concept was. It was so hilarious 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:27.159 and weird and also predated you know what we've been 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.040 talking about, where it's suddenly become the norm for young people, 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:35.840 not just you know, aging people to get plastic surgery. Um. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.919 And yeah, it's about like a girl who decided she 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.920 doesn't want to go through the procedure, and then there's 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:45.160 a whole there's a whole camp of of of renegade 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.240 teens who have decided to remain uglies. It really sounds 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.440 like not the ugliest part specifically, but just the kind 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:56.119 of way it's constructed reminds me of the Tyra banks 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:02.600 Y a no novel Model Land. Mom. God, wait what 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.159 I did not know about that either. They introduced it 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:07.959 in an episode of Top Model. It was like a 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.680 white book with her name on it that they put out. 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:12.280 And then there was like a pop up event that 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.080 opened or didn't even open right before COVID hit. That 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.280 was like the Model Land pop up event, but it 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.000 was like Hunger Games where it had all this jargon 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:22.639 in it, and one of the things was like it 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.520 was like the Magical Kingdom of pot Ladam, which is 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:31.160 a model backwards. Oh my god, no, I'm looking at 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:35.119 the Wikipedia for it right now. A young sofkward looking 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.800 girl by the name of Tokei de la Kreme. It's 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:43.600 invited to attend the legendary boarding school Model Land. It's 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.640 like about Tyra Banks moving to New York to live 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.520 in an apartment with other models, but then like through 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.320 a Hunger Games lens, it's the funniest thing in the world. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:59.520 Oh my god, it sounds deranged. Uh. Publishers Weekly considered 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.679 the book over long, can't be and warped in a 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.560 non stop barrage of surrealism and wackiness. There's also a 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.440 Olsen Twins Why a novel that they put out that's 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:14.680 about like like twins, like like special twins. A lot 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.280 of people were branding their names on what about a 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:22.000 Night call Y a series? It would never do the 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:26.119 same thing that Emily did. Were clearly someone made probably 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.439 my parents. They were like, you know what you should 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.000 do is right? Why a books? And I was like, 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:35.760 but I'm like too too old and too young simultaneously 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.840 to do that. And I remember trying to do it, 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.320 and it's like I was just so, I was like, 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.200 these are children, I'm writing these like horny books with 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.680 like murder and just being like, the kids love this 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.480 and then being like it seems so wrong, and I 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.680 kind of why A I wrote, I mean entire why 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.480 a book that wasn't time like chock full of murder 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.639 and sex and drug drug overdoses. That's what boks are 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.840 supposed to be. Twenty four, I mean, I've been reading 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.479 like Pretty Little Liars and Gossip Girl and Ship. I 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.200 was like doing my home. It was like a purely 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.800 mercenary project. So crazy though, because I also remember reading 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.239 a Gossip Girl book when I was in college and 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.920 being like, this seems really bad for teenage girls. That's 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.080 the problem, because you're like your inner skulled, like your 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.240 inner Grandma's like I don't know about this. It's not 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.399 just that it's like I don't know. There was like 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:28.320 a younger person who was tweeting about how why A 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.919 books gave them like unrealistic expectations about how they were 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.440 going to make out with so many boys um as 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.360 a teenager and like become pretty magically. And I was like, 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.040 you know, becoming a hundred years old. As I composed 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.360 the tweet, I was like, wow, you know, when I 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.000 was young, Why A books were all like from the 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.560 seventies and eighties, and they were about like getting a 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:55.040 back brace. Are you talking about is he willy Nilly? No, 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.119 I'm talking about the Judy Blue one. Deane. I was like, 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.400 I mean, I was like money out. There was tragedy, 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.720 a lot of tragedy, and like before y became sci fi. Yeah, 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:06.480 I was like, why A. I just remember being a 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.960 lot of mundane books about like someone being embarrassed because 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.399 their mom packed them tuna salad for lunch for middle 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:17.840 class well, everything was about people dying or caution or 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:22.359 people getting abducted, like the Milk the Milk Carton books. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.800 Feel like I read all the boring ones that were 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:28.080 like someone gets their period climbing the rope and gym, 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:32.920 and like that's the whole action. Maybe July should be 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:38.440 July A we could do. That's not a bad idea, 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.560 that's a very good idea. Did you guys read the 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.960 Anastasia Krepnick books? Like that was when I think of 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.000 when I think of why A, Yes, I was thinking 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.879 of Cynthia a void. This is the yeah. Iszzy william 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.320 Elli is a book about a girl who like loses 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.680 a leg after getting it in a drunk driving accident. 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:55.639 The whole thing is about her just not having a 0:21:55.720 --> 0:22:00.680 leg right, but recovering. And I remember, we're just like 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.800 in two thousand, maybe this will be y to May too. 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:05.480 There was, like all of a sudden there there were 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.119 a bunch of books that were called like Crystal in 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:11.320 the teen section because they were like about Crystal math, 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.359 you know, God, Yeah, yeah, Well, we're gonna take a 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:18.360 quick break and when we come back a little more 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:41.639 vibe checking on these coronavirus times. Welcome back to night call. Uh, guys, 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:45.320 there are so many cures for COVID nineteen. I can't 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:47.919 even keep track of them anymore. Let's just bring the 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.400 light inside the body and then pour bleach on the light. 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:55.159 The thing about bringing the light inside of the body, 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.919