Speaker 1: It's eleven ten pm in New Pretty Town and you're
Speaker 1: listening to Nightcall. Hello, and welcome to Nightcall, a podcast
Speaker 1: call in show rather Collin show for artist Tope. In reality,
Speaker 1: I'm Emily Oshida, I am in Los Angeles and with
Speaker 1: me on the other end of the line are I'm
Speaker 1: Tess Lynch and I'm Molly Lambert's. Did you guys face off?
Speaker 1: We got? Our larynx has exchanged. We did. It's going great? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Many more cats now, yeah, I have. I have so
Speaker 1: many children in a geodesic dome and two giant geodes
Speaker 1: to take care of. We wanted to kick things off
Speaker 1: this week with a night call or night email rather
Speaker 1: from our listener. Lacy. Lacy writes, after listening to your
Speaker 1: conversation with Gia and reading her article, I could not
Speaker 1: stop thinking about the O G. Twilight Zone episode number
Speaker 1: twelve looks just like you. I'm sure you all have
Speaker 1: seen it, as I've heard you referenced the show often,
Speaker 1: but basically, the episode takes place in a dystopian future
Speaker 1: where every teenager has to undergo the Transformation, where their
Speaker 1: bodies are changed to fit a conventionally attractive and fit
Speaker 1: numbered model of their choosing. The protagonist is a girl
Speaker 1: who refuses to undergo the transformation, which no one around
Speaker 1: her can understand. Ultimately, she's forced to comply, and as
Speaker 1: you find out, the transformation also brainwashes people into conforming.
Speaker 1: It's incredibly depressing. But in addition to you know, looking good,
Speaker 1: the transformation is supposed to lengthen lifespan and provide immunitated disease,
Speaker 1: conflating beauty and wellness. Botox is already being used to
Speaker 1: treat migraines, and I haven't done enough research to form
Speaker 1: a solid opinion about whether it's a placebo or not.
Speaker 1: But do you think that as time goes on, more
Speaker 1: cosmetic procedures will be touted as having health benefits or
Speaker 1: do you see cosmetic and medical seizures being packaged together
Speaker 1: to persuade the so far unconvinced to get on board
Speaker 1: with plastic surgery. Well I hadn't until just now, and
Speaker 1: now I'm like, of course that will happen. Oh absolutely
Speaker 1: so I Um, I my mom sent me a care
Speaker 1: package recently, a few weeks ago, and she gets Vogue.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I think Vogue is one of these
Speaker 1: many Um, this is my conspiracy theory BTW about like
Speaker 1: print media right now, which is that a lot of
Speaker 1: if you start to get a magazine mysteriously that you
Speaker 1: never subscribed to, like they're just doing it so they
Speaker 1: have their circulation numbers up. They're just randomly giving you
Speaker 1: a subscription so they can tell advertisers that they are
Speaker 1: circulating to so many people. So like Vogue is one
Speaker 1: of these magazines that do this. I think here's what
Speaker 1: I think. I think when you start mysteriously getting a
Speaker 1: magazine that you've never gotten before. I thought it was
Speaker 1: to replace a magazine that went out of business, and
Speaker 1: they're like, we don't have Mademoiselle anymore. Now you get Tremor. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean my mom never subscribed to
Speaker 1: any I don't know whatever. Any short, this is a
Speaker 1: very tangential part of the story. So she she gets, Okay,
Speaker 1: you can admit that you love reading Vogue and it's
Speaker 1: your favorite. This last week I was I was a
Speaker 1: founding member of the fashion club at City High School
Speaker 1: in Iowa City, Iowa. I love Vogue. I love and
Speaker 1: and Win Tour. I love everything she stands for. Did
Speaker 1: you see andre Leon Tally saying that she has no empathy. Yeah, scathing,
Speaker 1: But wait, I want to know what's in this care
Speaker 1: package that Emily's mom sent because I'm curious if it's
Speaker 1: like d I y plastic surgery stuff. So there's an
Speaker 1: article about like, I don't know, I'm probably not going
Speaker 1: to pronounce this correctly, but guash shaw the like um
Speaker 1: like facial massage um. And it's actually pretty like So
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, flipping through the Vogue
Speaker 1: and then I started reading this, well, I was like
Speaker 1: eating my eggs or whatever. Um. And it's so funny
Speaker 1: because you know, it's like this, you know, it's one
Speaker 1: of these many things that gets touted as like ancient
Speaker 1: Chinese secrets and like some like these these you know,
Speaker 1: mystical health benefits that can help rich white women look younger.
Speaker 1: But it's so funny because like they talked to one
Speaker 1: of the one of the doctors that really helped popularize
Speaker 1: it and make it into this like you know, glammy
Speaker 1: thing where people are like selling jade rollers for hundreds
Speaker 1: of dollars, and she said something that I thought was
Speaker 1: so funny, which is just like, the skin is a
Speaker 1: map for what's going on in the body, which to me,
Speaker 1: is just like a great excuse to be like, if
Speaker 1: you look hot, then you're healthy. Yes, totally Guasha gas
Speaker 1: saw I started. I kind of had heard of it
Speaker 1: because a friend of mine does it and she just
Speaker 1: like loves it. But you take it's a stone that's
Speaker 1: kind of like thin and almost like it's not super sharp,
Speaker 1: but it's thin on one side and then the other
Speaker 1: side is more rounded, and you sweep the you know,
Speaker 1: you sweep it against from like your nose outward, and
Speaker 1: I guess that it's not I mean, it's supposed to
Speaker 1: make your skin look good, but it also is kind
Speaker 1: of marketed with the idea that you're you're sweeping toxins
Speaker 1: towards your lymph nodes um. And I was so put
Speaker 1: off by it until we weren't supposed to be touching
Speaker 1: our faces, and then all of a sudden, it was
Speaker 1: like this great forbidden thing. So I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't need to buy a stone because I have all
Speaker 1: these weird crystals that we bought at or I bought
Speaker 1: at the store that was like right around from where
Speaker 1: we used to record when we recorded in a studio,
Speaker 1: that are just smooth enough that you can kind of
Speaker 1: just do it yourself, and I'm not putting weird oils on.
Speaker 1: But I was like, this is fantastic because all I
Speaker 1: want to do is touch my face and this this
Speaker 1: gives you an excuse, but the idea is that, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're you're flushing away all the bad stuff that's
Speaker 1: lingering under your skin. I mean, I think we've determined
Speaker 1: on this show that touching your face feels super good.
Speaker 1: It's so good, it's definitely a drug. Yeah. I'd had
Speaker 1: my whole facial massage thing, which is less. I I
Speaker 1: don't think that that was like gas shaw but it
Speaker 1: was just like a lymph note stimulation thing and then
Speaker 1: I started breaking out for so I stopped. But vanity
Speaker 1: always rules. So I've also seen there's a dermatologist called
Speaker 1: the Skin, which I forget what her actual name is,
Speaker 1: but I learned about her because Haley Baldwin goes to her.
Speaker 1: Haley Baldwin Bieber my friend, um, and she posted about
Speaker 1: her and she does like dermatology that's also ricky, you know,
Speaker 1: which I think is very much in this family. It's
Speaker 1: like energy healing plus dermatology. Um. I think especially energy
Speaker 1: heal your face from being ugly. Yeah, well, I think
Speaker 1: soup Is really sets the standard here with combining sort
Speaker 1: of new age stuff and putting it under the umbrella
Speaker 1: of wellness. Um. And I think you guys are super
Speaker 1: right about the idea of being like, oh, if you
Speaker 1: look hot, you must be good, which is like help
Speaker 1: just to rock skip away from eugenics. Yeah. Also, I
Speaker 1: mean it's hard because bringing up the number twelve looks
Speaker 1: just like you. I wish actually we could just do
Speaker 1: an entire episode dedicated to this, uh this you know
Speaker 1: in this episode I guess, um, or just the Twilight
Speaker 1: Zone in general. Maybe we'll get around to doing that
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone in October. We can do a marathon Twilight
Speaker 1: Zone marathon like they do. That's traditionally January, right, we
Speaker 1: should kick things off one by just watching the Twilight
Speaker 1: Zone marathon. Maybe, um, we probably won't be allowed out.
Speaker 1: So this is this what all finally gets us to
Speaker 1: get CBS All Access subscription. Yes, yes, there's no way otherwise.
Speaker 1: I actually as much New Star Trek as you want,
Speaker 1: I'm never going I have one. Accidentally, for like a year,
Speaker 1: I did the trial before they had released all the
Speaker 1: new Twilight Zones, and then I was so upset. I
Speaker 1: was like, if I had waited, I could have just
Speaker 1: binged them during my trial, but I just planned it
Speaker 1: really badly. Um. And I really liked the ones that
Speaker 1: I saw of the reboot. Yeah. Um. But I think
Speaker 1: that this episode is super you know, it definitely fits
Speaker 1: with most of what we've been talking about over the
Speaker 1: course of this month, because there's it's very nightcall in
Speaker 1: that the underlying like sinister thing is that the government.
Speaker 1: It's not that people all want to look a certain way,
Speaker 1: it's that the government is enforcing it and manipulating them
Speaker 1: psychologically during these surgeries to make them satisfied with looking
Speaker 1: the way they do and more compliant and stuff, um,
Speaker 1: which is very very white powdery. It's it's very eugenic Z.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's kind of I mean, that's
Speaker 1: there in the episode. It's not like we're not becoming
Speaker 1: genius interpreters here, it's just there. Um. And so it
Speaker 1: does it does seem kind of dangerous when you start
Speaker 1: thinking of how doctors could suggest benefits that are not like,
Speaker 1: you know, cosmetic benefits from cosmetic surgery, or if there
Speaker 1: was a way to package those things together and to
Speaker 1: try to like coerce people to get plastic surgery. One
Speaker 1: thing I really noticed, because I think coming out of
Speaker 1: the nineties when there was a lot of like pushback
Speaker 1: on plastic surgery, for a while, it felt like and
Speaker 1: then it felt like in the two thousands it suddenly
Speaker 1: became just like normalized. But especially in beauty magazines. I
Speaker 1: remember reading things and being like, this is an advertorial, right,
Speaker 1: And it probably was because it was so accessible. Became
Speaker 1: just like like trend pieces about like ladies who do
Speaker 1: botox ses and it was all packages empowering to do it. Um.
Speaker 1: But I remember also reading when I forget what magazine
Speaker 1: it was in, but it was about a plastic surgeon
Speaker 1: who specialized in like ethnic nose jobs. They were like,
Speaker 1: we know you're like a person of color and you
Speaker 1: want to get a nose job, but you don't want
Speaker 1: it to be like a Michael Jackson nose jobs, So
Speaker 1: we were going to give you like a nose job
Speaker 1: that fits your face. And it was like packaging is
Speaker 1: it is empowering? And it just like really broke my
Speaker 1: brain because I was like right, because it fed back
Speaker 1: into the choice feminism of like, well, if that's what
Speaker 1: you want, right, and then if there are social benefits
Speaker 1: to like looking white, that is also bad. It's all bad.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I wonder if eventually there will
Speaker 1: they will discover some kind of benefit of something that
Speaker 1: is like a cosmetic person. I mean, just like with
Speaker 1: the botox and migraines or botox and nose jobs and
Speaker 1: and deviated septoms. That's always the excuse. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of times that's that's sometimes that's very real too, like
Speaker 1: your nose, like yeah, yeah, or you can do that,
Speaker 1: like that can be real, Like that could be an
Speaker 1: excuse to be like, oh and then I'll fix this
Speaker 1: crooked thing in my nose while they're in there. I
Speaker 1: also think breast reductions are obviously mostly done by people
Speaker 1: who are suffering health problems because of carrying too much
Speaker 1: weight and like they want to reduce their back problems
Speaker 1: or what I like. Obviously there's no qualms with that.
Speaker 1: I wonder what they'll come up with though next. It's
Speaker 1: also like a freedom of choice aspect to it. Were
Speaker 1: like sometimes people who get a lot of extreme surgery,
Speaker 1: it's like for their own personal happiness in a way
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with people finding it hot,
Speaker 1: you know, right, yeah, um, yeah, I think it was funny.
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with surgery, but just about
Speaker 1: the idea of like who you're looking hot for. A
Speaker 1: friend of the podcast, Michelle Dean tweeted today like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so great, Like the quarantine has made me realize
Speaker 1: that like has really permanently done away with the idea
Speaker 1: that I had that I was putting on makeup and
Speaker 1: and and dressing up and like looking you know, trying
Speaker 1: to look good for myself, because I've completely stopped. But
Speaker 1: I have the exact opposite experience. I think it's different
Speaker 1: stokes for everybody, because I nothing has has given me
Speaker 1: more distraction and soothed me than putting on makeup for
Speaker 1: nobody else, like just being around the house and just
Speaker 1: having a full face of makeup. I put on makeup
Speaker 1: today for the podcast because it made me feel like
Speaker 1: I was going to work. It's like I'm awake now
Speaker 1: type thing. I don't know, No, I even brush my
Speaker 1: teeth today. Honestly, I'm so far off the spectrum at
Speaker 1: this point. It's crazy. I think. With what Emily and
Speaker 1: I are talking about, it's also kind of like a
Speaker 1: like a jokering up thing, you know, I referring it
Speaker 1: putting on your paint while you're crying. Yeah, I refer
Speaker 1: to it often. I probably should stop doing this. But
Speaker 1: there's a Simpsons joke where Homer makes a makeup gun
Speaker 1: for Marge. He's like becomes an inventor on one of
Speaker 1: the things. He invents a makeup gun and he accidentally
Speaker 1: shoots it at the wall and it just like puts
Speaker 1: a full face of makeup on the wall. So sometimes
Speaker 1: I say, like, I'm going to go shoot the makeup
Speaker 1: gun at my face, because that's what I think of
Speaker 1: it as it's just like true. Yeah, like it's like
Speaker 1: a cartoon gun. It's like a broader rabbit gun. It
Speaker 1: just goes like splut. And then seeing my Instagram stories,
Speaker 1: I love your vampire put on the clown face. I
Speaker 1: want to shout out to makeup artists whose work I
Speaker 1: really like that have been bringing me enjoyment during Quarantine.
Speaker 1: My friends Sandy Sandy Ganzer, she's amazing. She's a great
Speaker 1: makeup artist, and in Quarantine, she's been doing all of
Speaker 1: the looks from Kevin Oswan's Making Faces Fun Super fun book.
Speaker 1: It's so fun. I love it too, and I like
Speaker 1: so like I never even bought it. I just looked
Speaker 1: at it at the bookstore all the time. My friend
Speaker 1: had it, so I would always look at it her house.
Speaker 1: She's doing all the looks. She's running out of wigs,
Speaker 1: so if anybody wants to send her wigs to do
Speaker 1: some of the remaining looks. And she did one on
Speaker 1: her husband to four days ago, she did the show
Speaker 1: Girl on him. Um. And there's also a makeup artist
Speaker 1: that I've been following for a while whose name is
Speaker 1: anything for Selena's. I believe there's a lot of a's
Speaker 1: and s is in there, but she is just like
Speaker 1: the most incredible, like avant garde makeup artist where she
Speaker 1: does a lot of really just outrageous stuff with eyeliner
Speaker 1: that is very inspiring to me. Ragious lineliner. Oh guys,
Speaker 1: I bought an eyeliner stamp and I love it. I said,
Speaker 1: I wasn't brushing my teeth, are putting on any makeup.
Speaker 1: But the other day I my daughter wanted to do
Speaker 1: a photo shoot, so I busted out all the stuff
Speaker 1: I had and this has you have a right and
Speaker 1: a left, so it comes in a pack of two
Speaker 1: and it you stamp the wing and then the other
Speaker 1: side of the the other side of the thing is
Speaker 1: like a pen, so you can just fill it in
Speaker 1: and it's so much fun. It's very good. Test. It
Speaker 1: sounds like you're living a very French lifestyle. Oh really,
Speaker 1: letting a four year old do my makeup, just like
Speaker 1: not brushing your teeth but wearing eyeliner. You're wearing a
Speaker 1: very a very nice like um scarf. Today, I am
Speaker 1: wearing a bandana that I got to wear as a
Speaker 1: face mask. But I have decided not to go anywhere
Speaker 1: for you a zum background of the beach. So I
Speaker 1: just keep being like, oh, tests is yachting today? And
Speaker 1: then having such a silly in my closet. Look at
Speaker 1: what I can do if I turned my head, I
Speaker 1: raised my body. It's like plastic surgery. It's very meta. Now,
Speaker 1: just ahead before we move on from from number twelve books,
Speaker 1: just like you, um, I wanted to uh to bring
Speaker 1: up this book series. Is why I book series that
Speaker 1: I have read like half of the first one, just
Speaker 1: like in the bookstore when I like in two thousand
Speaker 1: nine or something, whenever it was out, and when I
Speaker 1: was convinced that writing a y book would be my
Speaker 1: ticket out of poverty. Um, it's called The Uglies, which
Speaker 1: is basically it's basically like a straight up rip off
Speaker 1: of Number twelve. Looks just like yere, except there were
Speaker 1: like four books, and it's of course like a whole
Speaker 1: Hunger Games esque type dystopian why adventure. But um, it's
Speaker 1: about a world in which, uh, when you start to
Speaker 1: go through puberty. So when you're young, you're called a
Speaker 1: literally like you're just like a little a little human.
Speaker 1: When you turn twelve and you start to go through puberty,
Speaker 1: are called an ugly. Uh. And you you were made
Speaker 1: an ugly until you turn sixteen, which is when you
Speaker 1: get a procedure called the Operation, which turns you into
Speaker 1: a pretty. And then you become a new pretty and
Speaker 1: you get to move out of um you get to
Speaker 1: move out of the suburbs into New pretty Town, which
Speaker 1: is where all of the new pretties live. And then
Speaker 1: as you grow older, you become a middle pretty, a
Speaker 1: late pretty, and then oh yeah, late pretties are also
Speaker 1: called crumbullies. This is like very roll doll or something. No,
Speaker 1: totally yeah, it's very There are there are four books.
Speaker 1: I did not read all of them, but I just
Speaker 1: I thought that the concept was. It was so hilarious
Speaker 1: and weird and also predated you know what we've been
Speaker 1: talking about, where it's suddenly become the norm for young people,
Speaker 1: not just you know, aging people to get plastic surgery. Um.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's about like a girl who decided she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go through the procedure, and then there's
Speaker 1: a whole there's a whole camp of of of renegade
Speaker 1: teens who have decided to remain uglies. It really sounds
Speaker 1: like not the ugliest part specifically, but just the kind
Speaker 1: of way it's constructed reminds me of the Tyra banks
Speaker 1: Y a no novel Model Land. Mom. God, wait what
Speaker 1: I did not know about that either. They introduced it
Speaker 1: in an episode of Top Model. It was like a
Speaker 1: white book with her name on it that they put out.
Speaker 1: And then there was like a pop up event that
Speaker 1: opened or didn't even open right before COVID hit. That
Speaker 1: was like the Model Land pop up event, but it
Speaker 1: was like Hunger Games where it had all this jargon
Speaker 1: in it, and one of the things was like it
Speaker 1: was like the Magical Kingdom of pot Ladam, which is
Speaker 1: a model backwards. Oh my god, no, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the Wikipedia for it right now. A young sofkward looking
Speaker 1: girl by the name of Tokei de la Kreme. It's
Speaker 1: invited to attend the legendary boarding school Model Land. It's
Speaker 1: like about Tyra Banks moving to New York to live
Speaker 1: in an apartment with other models, but then like through
Speaker 1: a Hunger Games lens, it's the funniest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it sounds deranged. Uh. Publishers Weekly considered
Speaker 1: the book over long, can't be and warped in a
Speaker 1: non stop barrage of surrealism and wackiness. There's also a
Speaker 1: Olsen Twins Why a novel that they put out that's
Speaker 1: about like like twins, like like special twins. A lot
Speaker 1: of people were branding their names on what about a
Speaker 1: Night call Y a series? It would never do the
Speaker 1: same thing that Emily did. Were clearly someone made probably
Speaker 1: my parents. They were like, you know what you should
Speaker 1: do is right? Why a books? And I was like,
Speaker 1: but I'm like too too old and too young simultaneously
Speaker 1: to do that. And I remember trying to do it,
Speaker 1: and it's like I was just so, I was like,
Speaker 1: these are children, I'm writing these like horny books with
Speaker 1: like murder and just being like, the kids love this
Speaker 1: and then being like it seems so wrong, and I
Speaker 1: kind of why A I wrote, I mean entire why
Speaker 1: a book that wasn't time like chock full of murder
Speaker 1: and sex and drug drug overdoses. That's what boks are
Speaker 1: supposed to be. Twenty four, I mean, I've been reading
Speaker 1: like Pretty Little Liars and Gossip Girl and Ship. I
Speaker 1: was like doing my home. It was like a purely
Speaker 1: mercenary project. So crazy though, because I also remember reading
Speaker 1: a Gossip Girl book when I was in college and
Speaker 1: being like, this seems really bad for teenage girls. That's
Speaker 1: the problem, because you're like your inner skulled, like your
Speaker 1: inner Grandma's like I don't know about this. It's not
Speaker 1: just that it's like I don't know. There was like
Speaker 1: a younger person who was tweeting about how why A
Speaker 1: books gave them like unrealistic expectations about how they were
Speaker 1: going to make out with so many boys um as
Speaker 1: a teenager and like become pretty magically. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, becoming a hundred years old. As I composed
Speaker 1: the tweet, I was like, wow, you know, when I
Speaker 1: was young, Why A books were all like from the
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, and they were about like getting a
Speaker 1: back brace. Are you talking about is he willy Nilly? No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Judy Blue one. Deane. I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like money out. There was tragedy,
Speaker 1: a lot of tragedy, and like before y became sci fi. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, why A. I just remember being a
Speaker 1: lot of mundane books about like someone being embarrassed because
Speaker 1: their mom packed them tuna salad for lunch for middle
Speaker 1: class well, everything was about people dying or caution or
Speaker 1: people getting abducted, like the Milk the Milk Carton books.
Speaker 1: Feel like I read all the boring ones that were
Speaker 1: like someone gets their period climbing the rope and gym,
Speaker 1: and like that's the whole action. Maybe July should be
Speaker 1: July A we could do. That's not a bad idea,
Speaker 1: that's a very good idea. Did you guys read the
Speaker 1: Anastasia Krepnick books? Like that was when I think of
Speaker 1: when I think of why A, Yes, I was thinking
Speaker 1: of Cynthia a void. This is the yeah. Iszzy william
Speaker 1: Elli is a book about a girl who like loses
Speaker 1: a leg after getting it in a drunk driving accident.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is about her just not having a
Speaker 1: leg right, but recovering. And I remember, we're just like
Speaker 1: in two thousand, maybe this will be y to May too.
Speaker 1: There was, like all of a sudden there there were
Speaker 1: a bunch of books that were called like Crystal in
Speaker 1: the teen section because they were like about Crystal math,
Speaker 1: you know, God, Yeah, yeah, Well, we're gonna take a
Speaker 1: quick break and when we come back a little more
Speaker 1: vibe checking on these coronavirus times. Welcome back to night call. Uh, guys,
Speaker 1: there are so many cures for COVID nineteen. I can't
Speaker 1: even keep track of them anymore. Let's just bring the
Speaker 1: light inside the body and then pour bleach on the light.
Speaker 1: The thing about bringing the light inside of the body,
Speaker 1: it made me think about There was some live science
Speaker 1: thing I posted a million years ago where it was
Speaker 1: about some maybe underwater creature where their eggs are visible
Speaker 1: as light orbs inside their bodies, and I treated like,
Speaker 1: you know, men are just jealous of the visible light
Speaker 1: orbs inside our bodies. Like what you did, Molly, that
Speaker 1: was the first thing I thought of. You planted the
Speaker 1: seed um this. So we're we're in the middle of
Speaker 1: a heat wave. Everything feels so strange right now, even
Speaker 1: stranger than it was feeling just a short time ago.
Speaker 1: But the stupid president's suggestion that people like, maybe what
Speaker 1: if we injected bleach, what if we put uv raised
Speaker 1: inside your body? Like, because it's sarcasm, Because that's how
Speaker 1: sarcasm works, right. Our friend Elena Smith pointed out that
Speaker 1: he sounds just like Jeffrey Epstein when he was talking
Speaker 1: with scientists, just like asking questions that like any smart
Speaker 1: person would know to not even ask a scientist, and
Speaker 1: just being like, yeah, yeah, just asking questions, just spitball
Speaker 1: in here. Um, Molly, you sent us an article about
Speaker 1: kind of cult called Happy Science. Yeah, I forget if
Speaker 1: we've ever talked about Happy Science on here before. It's
Speaker 1: like a Japanese kind of scientology. It's a good time
Speaker 1: to talk about them now, though, because they have claimed
Speaker 1: to have come up with a cure for the coronavirus,
Speaker 1: which is just listening to their dear leader's voice can
Speaker 1: boost your immunity and keep you safe from the coronavirus.
Speaker 1: This was reported in the New York Times earlier this month.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't let Trump here that idea right. They're
Speaker 1: called spiritual vaccines. UM, the faithful can be blessed with
Speaker 1: a ritual prayer to ward off and cure the disease
Speaker 1: for a fee. I wouldn't be surprised also if some
Speaker 1: other pastors were kind of doing stuff like that, implying
Speaker 1: that like God is going to make you well. They did,
Speaker 1: and they did to argue that they should be able
Speaker 1: to keep holding services after the stay at home order. UM,
Speaker 1: so they said, you know, Jesus will save you. God
Speaker 1: God's got you. Don't worry you're coming to church. He
Speaker 1: won't be mad and give you coronavirus. So some background
Speaker 1: on a Happy Science is that they were they're kind
Speaker 1: of like the bridesmaid to Holme, the like very notorious
Speaker 1: Japanese cult that did the serang gas attacks in Tokyo. UM.
Speaker 1: So they didn't get the same as as that cult.
Speaker 1: But the leader of of UM tried to assassinate the
Speaker 1: leader of Happy Science, so UH did not succeed. UM.
Speaker 1: Japanese culture fascinating. There are so many of them. I
Speaker 1: don't know why my people are so very susceptible to
Speaker 1: these things. UM. The yeah, but they've had like this
Speaker 1: sort of rivalry with with that cult. They had had
Speaker 1: that rivalry with that cult for a long time. Um.
Speaker 1: And they're all kinds of Christian tinge do which is
Speaker 1: a weird thing, um because obviously, like Christie Anity is
Speaker 1: not native to uh Japan. I mean, it's been there
Speaker 1: for hundreds of years, but it is not like culturally
Speaker 1: native to it. But like there's also like they're similar
Speaker 1: kinds of things with like Korean Christianity as well. Um,
Speaker 1: church people want to make a church. It's a universal thing.
Speaker 1: I do not but every but but I'm an outlier here.
Speaker 1: When I was reading about Happy Science, I was like,
Speaker 1: I really none of this appeals to me. Unlike some
Speaker 1: cults where there sometimes is like a like a slight hook,
Speaker 1: Happy Science just seems like kind of dour. Other than
Speaker 1: the name, the name is fun. Well. Yeah. They also
Speaker 1: have a ton of books that they've published, just like Scientology,
Speaker 1: Like they're big in the publishing game. I guess, um,
Speaker 1: keep imprint Media alive and uh. In this New York
Speaker 1: Times article, some of the titles that they include are
Speaker 1: Alien Invasion, Seven Future Predictions, and Spiritual Message from the
Speaker 1: Guardian Spirit of Donald Trump. Um. They also have a
Speaker 1: lot of books about demons, which are very popular apparently,
Speaker 1: so I do love a demon. So guys, should we
Speaker 1: take a voicemail? Yes, all right, high night call. It's
Speaker 1: Alison from Queen's Calling. Plastic surgery April has me thinking
Speaker 1: about the umbrella of body modification. I have a soft
Speaker 1: spot for the movie American Mary, starring Katherine Isabelle and
Speaker 1: directed by the Softca Sisters, which looks at extreme body
Speaker 1: modification in a pretty non judgmental light. I'm comparing this
Speaker 1: to the new season of Real Houses in New York
Speaker 1: where these women who have had vaginal rejuvenation on camera
Speaker 1: recently took a stand against tattoos. Where do you think
Speaker 1: plastic surgeries places in the world of body modification? And
Speaker 1: where do you think the range of regular acceptability is going?
Speaker 1: Thanks bye? As the Real Housewives of New York watcher here, Um,
Speaker 1: they're against tattoos. It was well, I'm so confused. If
Speaker 1: you wanted to get back into real house size of
Speaker 1: New York, now is a great time because what happened
Speaker 1: is there is a new housewife, Bethany left and Leah joined,
Speaker 1: and Leah is like she has a streetwear line and
Speaker 1: she's very like two thousand's New York and she's born
Speaker 1: and raised in New York and the other women are
Speaker 1: all from the nineteen eighties New York. So they instead
Speaker 1: of the canceled HBO series How to Make It in
Speaker 1: America totally she did because she's like like these people
Speaker 1: are such aliens and they find out she has a
Speaker 1: tattoo and they all shame her about it and try
Speaker 1: to be like you tramp really but yeah, and and
Speaker 1: she's also like at you of um, I forget, We'll
Speaker 1: have to watch it again. It's also it's like a
Speaker 1: sign tattoo. And they also just anything they don't understand.
Speaker 1: They're like, what she wears a bucket hat that's mesh.
Speaker 1: It's like just a fashion thing. IM for that. You
Speaker 1: know me too, And they all wear like silly things
Speaker 1: all the time time. But they see it and they're
Speaker 1: all like what is this? What what is this about?
Speaker 1: It's it's see through. It doesn't work. But they go
Speaker 1: to a party at this giant rental property in the
Speaker 1: Hampton's that's owned by some friends, some huge Trump downer.
Speaker 1: I think it's like not even you can live in it.
Speaker 1: It's just a rental property for like great Gatsby parties
Speaker 1: and it has the worst design of anything you've ever seen,
Speaker 1: just like weird, bad fake street art. Inside it's hell. Um.
Speaker 1: So they go to that party and like as soon
Speaker 1: as they walk in, Leah's like, oh, this is like
Speaker 1: a rich, old, horrible white people party, and You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's been to good parties, man, Like that makes me
Speaker 1: feel for the elder housewives, well, feeling when he can't
Speaker 1: buy you a good party. Apparently it's true, but it's
Speaker 1: so weird too to think that they're trying to be
Speaker 1: even older rich guys. So that is their scene for sure, um,
Speaker 1: but it is weird to be Like getting a tramp
Speaker 1: stamp is trashy, but getting vaginal rejuvenation on screen for
Speaker 1: free because you did it on screen, fine, not trashy.
Speaker 1: So like normal every rental party house, I'm sorry in
Speaker 1: the world, I've never been to one in the Hampton's,
Speaker 1: but like they're horrible. I've been to some here for
Speaker 1: like different like tech events and stuff, like it's disgusting,
Speaker 1: like like only the people with like the worst taste
Speaker 1: in the world. Whatever. That's what she basically says to Ramona,
Speaker 1: which is what makes a good season yeah, you're also like,
Speaker 1: tattoos haven't been outray for like twenty years, tattoos where
Speaker 1: they never really like, I don't everybody's always had tattoos,
Speaker 1: But there was a time when they were for bikers
Speaker 1: and sailors a long time ago. That's a long time ago.
Speaker 1: That's like Popeye time. That's what was funny is the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives were like, what are you a sailor? That's
Speaker 1: a hilarious, how weird, What a strange world they all
Speaker 1: live in. It's it's an Edith Wharton novel. I totally
Speaker 1: recommend it. Um they all get drunk and start talking about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Gilded Age New York when they went to
Speaker 1: parties with John John Kennedy, John John, Well, we wanted
Speaker 1: to talk in general this week our last week of
Speaker 1: Plastic Surgery April, about plastic surgery, reality TV, which there's
Speaker 1: a lot of, uh, not so much anymore, but there
Speaker 1: was definitely a boom of it, like ten to twenty
Speaker 1: years ago and during during the so called golden era
Speaker 1: of reality television, which watching some of these shows, I
Speaker 1: would like to like maybe reduct that it was ever
Speaker 1: a golden era because these are the most depressing things
Speaker 1: you can watch anywhere, like maybe in the history of
Speaker 1: recorded media. Uh, but yeah, what did you guys watch
Speaker 1: any of these shows this post? I did into clips,
Speaker 1: but I I was shocked at how little of these
Speaker 1: I could stand being a person who was I'm so
Speaker 1: ashamed to admit. When The Swan, the first season of
Speaker 1: The Swan came on in two thousand four, I was
Speaker 1: there for it. I was like, I'm excited to watch
Speaker 1: this show, and then I think it took me two
Speaker 1: episodes to be like, oh no, this is this is
Speaker 1: like an evil show, this is a badge. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what I thought it would be, but I continued
Speaker 1: to watch it. I watched the entire season. I could
Speaker 1: not watch the second season, but like it's it's one
Speaker 1: of those things that makes you feel so gross about yourself,
Speaker 1: like that watching The Swan in real time making space
Speaker 1: in my like evening for The Swan pretty much. That's
Speaker 1: probably like my afterlife fate will be determined by the
Speaker 1: fact that I watched this one. But then I tried
Speaker 1: to watch so botched. I want a famous face and
Speaker 1: The Swan are the three that we kind of looked into.
Speaker 1: I I want a famous face for some reason is
Speaker 1: the worst. To me, it couldn't bad. It's pretty bad,
Speaker 1: I think, terrible, terrible, But it's still on, which is
Speaker 1: also like bizarre. Is it's like in it's like sixth seasons.
Speaker 1: That's that's the only one of these that is still going.
Speaker 1: And both I Want a Famous Face only ran for
Speaker 1: twelve episodes, so it was only twelve episodes of it,
Speaker 1: and Swan was just two seasons, and they were pretty
Speaker 1: sure it's seasons. Someone alerted me to the existence of
Speaker 1: a show called bridle Plastic Plas I forgot about bridle
Speaker 1: Plasty that like five years ago or something. Does Extreme
Speaker 1: Makeover still exists? I don't know. I only remember Extreme
Speaker 1: Makeover Home Edition. I remember. I remember there was an
Speaker 1: Extreme Makeover that was like for you. I think Home
Speaker 1: Edition was the spinoff. Maybe I know, but yeah, the
Speaker 1: title lascinating feel that way. I mean, I will say
Speaker 1: I Want a Famous Face, which I watched quite a
Speaker 1: bit of this week. I mean probably like three episodes
Speaker 1: of it. I watched because just whatever I could find
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Uh, I want to Be a Space is
Speaker 1: like a horror movie, and that it is quite disgusting,
Speaker 1: Like you really see a lot of the surgery. There
Speaker 1: are there are multiple times where I just like shrieked
Speaker 1: at my I tried to watch it and it was
Speaker 1: like they you said, this one where it was this
Speaker 1: Elvis impersonator and he was undergoing surgery and they would
Speaker 1: make incisions and then they would like manipulate the wound.
Speaker 1: It was so horrible. I don't even I'm not that squeamish,
Speaker 1: and it was way to watch, but like, and then
Speaker 1: there's a bunch where they're doing people's noses and when
Speaker 1: you see somebody like actually getting their nose sawed at,
Speaker 1: it's just like that's when you remember it's the nick.
Speaker 1: It's just the nick. I have to just so. I
Speaker 1: just looked into it. So Extreme Makeover indeed was two
Speaker 1: thousand to show that that depicted I'm quoting in wikipedias,
Speaker 1: excuse me, depicts ordinary men and women undergoing quote extreme
Speaker 1: makeovers involving plastic surgery, exercise regimen's hairdressing, and wardrobing, so
Speaker 1: that it was canceled in two thousand seven. UM and
Speaker 1: then Extreme Makeover Home Edition is the spinoff, and then
Speaker 1: there's another spinoff that's a weight loss edition. Isn't your
Speaker 1: house just your body? Well, this is the thing. I
Speaker 1: love a good renovation show. I know that they're like cheap,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a cheap form of entertainment.
Speaker 1: It so, I mean, now, what has addicted in all
Speaker 1: of my memories of Extreme Makeover Home Edition is the
Speaker 1: It's always sunny Philantopia. Yes, they like Bompard this like
Speaker 1: Unsuspecting Family with a with a home renovation. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen that one. That sounds great. Oh my god. They
Speaker 1: like they make up bed for the kid. They're like,
Speaker 1: it's it would be fun for the kid because it's
Speaker 1: like a taco like sheet is yellow and the side
Speaker 1: is proud thing in the world. Anyway, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: did watch a lot of what was his name, ty
Speaker 1: Pennington or Pennington's very strange. I have to say though,
Speaker 1: that like, um, this Old House. I watched a lot
Speaker 1: of little list that I watched, like which of these
Speaker 1: do I watch? Fixer Upper? I was on a real
Speaker 1: fixer Upper. But this Old House, This Old House was
Speaker 1: a good show because it was like like a PBS
Speaker 1: show about to renovation, like brand an old fixer upper,
Speaker 1: but it's like for you to live in, you know.
Speaker 1: And then all the other shows are about house flipping,
Speaker 1: which is like, no, not necessarily fix er upper is
Speaker 1: really it's people buying the houses and then having them
Speaker 1: fix her upper to live in. Ostensibly some of them move,
Speaker 1: but some of them stay, love it or list it.
Speaker 1: Half the people we have the people stay right, and
Speaker 1: Trading Spaces you're staying. You're just having like your you know,
Speaker 1: sadistic neighbor come make everything purple and then they make everything.
Speaker 1: I hate those shows because they do to houses what
Speaker 1: Instagram face does two faces, you know. But they all
Speaker 1: have an aesthetic, uper aesthetic I find to be like
Speaker 1: like so much ship Labs and then she's like the
Speaker 1: most She's like our new Oprah, Like she's so fucking rich.
Speaker 1: But I hate the aesthetic of all of them. Like
Speaker 1: if it were like Taco Bed, I'd be into it.
Speaker 1: You know, they were like doing funny. That's why Trading
Speaker 1: Spaces is so funny, is that Trading Spaces has a
Speaker 1: lot of that. I just don't. I don't have the lust,
Speaker 1: the house lust. Well it's so funny. I'm looking now.
Speaker 1: I thought I wanted a famous I want a famous Space.
Speaker 1: I thought was a more recent show, but it was
Speaker 1: also it ran from two thousand four to two thousand five,
Speaker 1: So it seems like that was the hot spot for
Speaker 1: these extreme makeover shows like Swamp because The Swan was
Speaker 1: also two thousand four. Yeah, and that was when it
Speaker 1: was new, so there was a point when they were like,
Speaker 1: we're pushing the boundaries of what can be shown on
Speaker 1: network television in prime time. Uh, and we were watching it.
Speaker 1: I definitely watched The Swan from the same reason, thank you. So, like,
Speaker 1: I had never really watched The Swan, I had seen
Speaker 1: bits and pieces of it, but I watched some of
Speaker 1: it on YouTube this week, and like I I find
Speaker 1: The Swan to be much more psychologically upsetting. Uh. Then,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I was seen these clips where they
Speaker 1: were kind of just truncated, They're just doing the reveals,
Speaker 1: but when it's like because they wouldn't let the person
Speaker 1: the contestant see themselves months no mirrors, three months without mirrors,
Speaker 1: and they couldn't be around their families and stuff. So
Speaker 1: these people, these women have been living in isolation, like
Speaker 1: healing from their surgeries and going through these weight lost
Speaker 1: regiments or whatever, and then they the partners were all
Speaker 1: who horrified when they emerge. One of them got some
Speaker 1: like she was in her recovery the winner over the
Speaker 1: winner of Season one. I think maybe Rachel. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was that her name. I wrote all this down. I'm
Speaker 1: that crazy. I was like, really, I thought I left
Speaker 1: the swan behind. But apparently Rachel's husband was kind of
Speaker 1: coached um when they when he was doing the like
Speaker 1: you know, confessional interviews or whatever, during the process, he
Speaker 1: they said what do you how do you think about
Speaker 1: how Rachel looks? And he was apparently initially said that
Speaker 1: she's beautiful, and then they he was coached to to like,
Speaker 1: come on, how do you you know, let's let's be
Speaker 1: like a little more critical. So he was like, well,
Speaker 1: she's average, she's beautiful when she's happy, and then they
Speaker 1: used that. So it was like the producer kind of
Speaker 1: manipulation of it made for like a story that was like, oh,
Speaker 1: these poor, ugly people, let's recreate them from scratch, let's
Speaker 1: mold them. But in actuality, like the relationship was destroyed obviously,
Speaker 1: But I mean that can't have helped. I'm sure it
Speaker 1: wasn't the extent of what was up. Yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: Fox Fox especially being like we're in an arms race
Speaker 1: to see who can do the worst thing in a
Speaker 1: reality show. Yeah, because did they do Joe Millionaire as well? Yes?
Speaker 1: It did? How yeah? How could anyone else have done
Speaker 1: Joe Millionaire? But the creator of the Swan, Nelly galan Um,
Speaker 1: was the former president of Entertainment for Telemundo and also
Speaker 1: on The Celebrity Apprentice in two thousand eight. It's all
Speaker 1: one show, And I will say the show I ended
Speaker 1: up watching was Botched, which I've never seen before. But
Speaker 1: since I started watching Kardashians again, it's like now I
Speaker 1: can watch e shows as well, and that's where it lives.
Speaker 1: So I watched the most recent episode, which was called
Speaker 1: bouber roxi Um. The titles of the Botched episodes are
Speaker 1: off the Chained Super Super PUPA short changed at the
Speaker 1: Nipple Bank, The Wizard of Shnaz, four Leeches, and a
Speaker 1: funeral vagina bomb. Maybe it was somebody somebody tweeted at
Speaker 1: me to say that they had to close caption some
Speaker 1: Botched episodes and that there was there's no blurring when
Speaker 1: you are doing the close caption NG and they threw
Speaker 1: up because there was no vagina. Threw up a vagina
Speaker 1: with Gang Green whoa what what do you mean, and
Speaker 1: that was from a botched plastic surgery gave the vagina gangry.
Speaker 1: Possibly something gave it gangreen. So okay, the botched I
Speaker 1: watched it was actually called Boobaratti because it was like
Speaker 1: the Illuminati, but the title, okay, the title refers to
Speaker 1: I didn't. It was like the cream of the crop
Speaker 1: of the boob ladies. But it's like two women who
Speaker 1: have extreme plastic surgery where they've gotten the biggest boobs
Speaker 1: you can get, and then they went to get more
Speaker 1: in Belgium. Do you like extreme surgeries there? So they
Speaker 1: are the kind of people where I'm like, they're taking
Speaker 1: this to a point where it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with like male desire. It's about their own desire to
Speaker 1: have huge boobs. And when they showed this woman before,
Speaker 1: the whole thing was that she was like flat chested
Speaker 1: originally and then she was married, um, and then when
Speaker 1: she got divorced she got the big boobs. She was like,
Speaker 1: it's my body. I'm going to do what i want.
Speaker 1: I've always wanted huge boobs. I'm going to go get them.
Speaker 1: And then it was like they weren't big enough for her.
Speaker 1: She wanted them even bigger. Um and then she had
Speaker 1: a friend who came to the surgery with her because
Speaker 1: basically she was like the point of the episode was
Speaker 1: that she wanted an asked a match. Now she was like,
Speaker 1: I've gotten a couple of ask surgeries, but like they
Speaker 1: haven't given me what I want, which is like this
Speaker 1: but in the back, you know, like cartoon tips but
Speaker 1: for an ask. What Botch does is it sets up
Speaker 1: the guys who are the doctors on the show who
Speaker 1: are on Real Housewives, both of them at different points,
Speaker 1: Doctor and Dr bro Adrian's husband, two of the creepy
Speaker 1: not anymore, two of the creepiest guys in the world. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dr du Brow was on Real house as a Orange
Speaker 1: County every one. I think he was on this one.
Speaker 1: He was on this one. He was one of the
Speaker 1: biggest creeps. And they like have this banter. They showed
Speaker 1: them like bantering about the surgeries at the desk, which
Speaker 1: is probably because it like premiered when Niptock does and
Speaker 1: did and they were like, this is the aesthetic. But
Speaker 1: they do like banter about, you know, spooning with their
Speaker 1: wives and stuff, and then they're like, okay, time to
Speaker 1: go take this chin and plan out. Um in the
Speaker 1: span of this one episode. The plot lines were a
Speaker 1: woman who genuinely needed reconstructive surgery because she had had
Speaker 1: a bad breast implant and it made her breast look
Speaker 1: like what her friend called an elephant trunk, where it
Speaker 1: was like the skin had come off the implant and
Speaker 1: they like showed it a bunch of times. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then the women with the big boobs. I wanted a
Speaker 1: big butte, but they were like, we can't do two
Speaker 1: fat transfers at the same time because that might kill you.
Speaker 1: It makes it makes the doctors on Bosch look like
Speaker 1: the reasonable ones because they're like, well, we can't do that,
Speaker 1: that'll kill You're showing some restraint which they never otherwise
Speaker 1: would show, right, and they're like, well compared to these
Speaker 1: other like we're the high end version of this, Like
Speaker 1: you got the low end version and that's the problem
Speaker 1: is you didn't spend enough money on your surgery the
Speaker 1: first time, and now you have to make up for it.
Speaker 1: The other guy, this was super sad and very Heidi Montage.
Speaker 1: There was a guy who was like, it's just sad.
Speaker 1: He just like it was like I became self conscious
Speaker 1: because of social media because I went to school in
Speaker 1: South Florida, where the most beautiful people in the world are,
Speaker 1: And I realized my face wasn't how I liked it.
Speaker 1: So I got a chin implant, but he got a
Speaker 1: crooked chin implant. So he got like a ben Affleck
Speaker 1: chin put in, but it's like tilted to one side.
Speaker 1: That's jaunty. Just live with it, and he showed it
Speaker 1: in profile. He was like, I look like American dad.
Speaker 1: I hate it um. But then rather than get the
Speaker 1: bad chin and plant taken out, he got cheek fillers
Speaker 1: put in. He got those like fake cheekbones put in
Speaker 1: because he thought that would balance it out. His parents
Speaker 1: and sister had no idea, and they showed him going
Speaker 1: to tell his parents, who live in Again, Colorado, just
Speaker 1: like Heidi Montags, He's like normal people parents and he's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: remember when I said I like had a bike accident,
Speaker 1: Like I actually just got plastic surgery. And they're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, that's horrible, Like why you looked fine, There's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with you. He's like half Asian and half
Speaker 1: white too, so I also just was like, it's just
Speaker 1: like a Darren Chris and Gianni Versace show. It's like
Speaker 1: he he looked fine before. He was like a good
Speaker 1: looking guy, but he just didn't look like a white
Speaker 1: a white guy, tan white beach guy or something like.
Speaker 1: It's such a bummer. Um. And so he gets the
Speaker 1: chinn in plant taken out and they're like, this is
Speaker 1: like so fucked up. We've never seen this. That's what
Speaker 1: they say anytime they take something out. And to show
Speaker 1: the surgery, it's super disgusting and hard to watch, which
Speaker 1: is I guess good that they show how gross and
Speaker 1: horrible it is. Right, and then he comes back in
Speaker 1: because he's like, I feel like my face looks bad
Speaker 1: without it. You're kidding, no, I mean this is the
Speaker 1: thing like this. So I was going to bring this
Speaker 1: up because I do think Botch, which I've never really watched,
Speaker 1: but I feel like I've watched by proxy because I
Speaker 1: used to edit um Tera Ariano's recaps of it for
Speaker 1: grant Land, so I would read the description of everything
Speaker 1: that happened to be like glad I didn't have to
Speaker 1: watch that, um, But it always felt like even if
Speaker 1: it was even if those guys are gross like um,
Speaker 1: Terry Drew Brow and Paul nass If or like like,
Speaker 1: it does feel cautionary at least, like it's just like,
Speaker 1: maybe think twice before you go in through something like this. UM,
Speaker 1: even if it is sort of advertising, like oh, but
Speaker 1: you know, the thing that got you into this can
Speaker 1: get you out of it. But that feels like I
Speaker 1: think ultimately I want a famous face does come off
Speaker 1: as cautionary to UM, even if like incredibly exploitative, because
Speaker 1: they always have this UM disclaimer at the beginning that says,
Speaker 1: this person wanted to do this surgery. We're not pushing
Speaker 1: them towards like they they came to us saying like
Speaker 1: I want to look like Carmonal Electra, so we did
Speaker 1: you know it's the true life thing whatever, Like they
Speaker 1: weren't being pushed into this by anybody. But like then
Speaker 1: you just get these portraits of people who are just
Speaker 1: so especially in the case of wanting to look like
Speaker 1: a specific celebrity. It's like it's not even like I
Speaker 1: want to augment something I already have. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I hate my face. De Lete, delete delete, I want
Speaker 1: to look like Carmen Electra and and my boyfriend loves it.
Speaker 1: My boyfriend is so excited for me to look like
Speaker 1: Carminal Lector I'm like, whats like, like who like? It
Speaker 1: just feels it's really sad. It's very very sad to watch.
Speaker 1: I know you guys don't watch vander Pump, but there's
Speaker 1: a whole plot line where Jack makes his girlfriend Brittany
Speaker 1: get breast implants and we made her well it's like
Speaker 1: she says she wants them, but when they get into
Speaker 1: the clinic and they're talking about what size they're going
Speaker 1: to be and the doctor's like, you don't want to
Speaker 1: go that big, Jax's is like I'm paying for them,
Speaker 1: Like they'll be as big as I want them. This
Speaker 1: is why I don't watch vander Pump, to be honest,
Speaker 1: that psycho for for that, I mean, it is also
Speaker 1: like Brittany is like into it. I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the first things they ask you is like, is
Speaker 1: somebody else trying to make you do? Guy? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean there was also a woman on this episode, the
Speaker 1: woman with the fucked up breast implant, where it was
Speaker 1: just like she'd had breast implants that weren't that great
Speaker 1: when she was nine teen, and then she had them
Speaker 1: taken out when she got married because her husband wasn't
Speaker 1: a boob guy. She was like, and then I got divorced,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he's not a boob guy, but I
Speaker 1: am so like I got new implants and then just
Speaker 1: like she immediately had pain. She was talking about how
Speaker 1: she had to like touch like pull the implant into
Speaker 1: the flesh through like all the time because it would
Speaker 1: like push against the flesh and be uncomfortable. What do
Speaker 1: you mean, like the muscle or it was like the
Speaker 1: implant was detached from the skin or something. But I mean,
Speaker 1: do you like you? I mean, I feel like you
Speaker 1: keep talking about Yalanda. Uh Ylanda, she says, But she
Speaker 1: was Landa Foster. But did she divorced David? What's her
Speaker 1: last name? Now she's just Landa um Belonda with the
Speaker 1: lemon fridge and everybody knows and she's still Landa hadied
Speaker 1: formerly Yolanda Foster. Okay um she you know the lime
Speaker 1: disease plot line with her, which went on her feel
Speaker 1: like for like six seasons or something and went on
Speaker 1: forever and ever still going on on her Instagram. It's
Speaker 1: like never gonna go ahead. But like there was a
Speaker 1: part where she seemed to have cured it by taking
Speaker 1: out her implants, like her implants were leading into her
Speaker 1: body and making her really sick. And there was also
Speaker 1: a woman on an episode of I Wana Famous Face
Speaker 1: who had so they found two people who wanted to
Speaker 1: look like Carmen Electra, and they did a mini segment
Speaker 1: about one of them who got implants and a bunch
Speaker 1: of other stuff done and like basically like poisoned herself
Speaker 1: with them and like couldn't walk anymore, Like she had
Speaker 1: been an athlete and like a cheerleader and stuff, and
Speaker 1: then couldn't walk anymore because she poisoned her body with
Speaker 1: bad implants. Like that's a y a novel. It's that sad,
Speaker 1: like you know that. I mean, the MTV ones always
Speaker 1: like had a healthy dose of like here's how bad
Speaker 1: the recovery processes. Like they were not ever just infomercials
Speaker 1: for you should get plastic surgery. They were always like,
Speaker 1: I mean, they were always like people should have counseling,
Speaker 1: especially people that wanted to extreme physical modifications. There's usually
Speaker 1: a psychological reason. Oh, how however, that was like the
Speaker 1: part of the Swan that was most reviled was they
Speaker 1: had a therapist. So they had like a cosmetic dentist,
Speaker 1: a plastic surgeon, somebody that like a fitness instructor or something,
Speaker 1: and then a therapist. And the therapist only had a
Speaker 1: degree from an online college which was revealed later and
Speaker 1: everyone was like, ah ha, not a real therapist, but
Speaker 1: she these were taped therapy sessions, so they were it
Speaker 1: was really to try and like add this, you know,
Speaker 1: a depth to the makeover of like we're making her
Speaker 1: over inside and psychologically she's a whole new person. Um.
Speaker 1: But that was like the part that really upset people
Speaker 1: the most was obviously it's like a fake foreshow therapy session,
Speaker 1: but what's being divulged is real and like what's being
Speaker 1: manipulated is coming from a real place. So in a way,
Speaker 1: if it hadn't had that, it would have lacked a
Speaker 1: huge ikey factor that it decided to include. So I mean,
Speaker 1: just including the I think a show mandating that a
Speaker 1: therapist meet with someone who's about to maybe make a
Speaker 1: huge mistake or something for the show, in a way,
Speaker 1: it makes it even worse because it's just posturing and
Speaker 1: it could be manipulative and dangerous in a way that
Speaker 1: without the therapist it wouldn't be. Yeah, it's like and
Speaker 1: also it's sort of this implication, even without knowing specifically
Speaker 1: what's talked about in these sessions, this implication that like
Speaker 1: you looked the way you did. They're always super big
Speaker 1: on the femininity to it's like that's the word that's like,
Speaker 1: I look so feminine. That's what like they always say
Speaker 1: when they see themselves, which is just so crazy. But
Speaker 1: but like the idea that that you would need to
Speaker 1: be in therapy because there's something wrong with you, your
Speaker 1: psyche that has made you nonfeminine, Like it's just so icky,
Speaker 1: it's so gross. I'm just like media does work so
Speaker 1: hard to convince you that like the only way that
Speaker 1: like men will or like you is if you're the
Speaker 1: most beautiful woman in the world. And then if you
Speaker 1: look to reality not television. Um, it's just like regular
Speaker 1: people find love all the time, sometimes with other regular
Speaker 1: looking people, and they find each other beautiful, and it's
Speaker 1: like it sucks to be an ugly woman and it
Speaker 1: also sucks to be a super beautiful woman. They both
Speaker 1: just suck, you know, like they're just be somebody. It
Speaker 1: just sucks to be regardless, it's actually be somebody who
Speaker 1: doesn't like like the way they look and can't get
Speaker 1: over it and can't find a way through it, Like
Speaker 1: whether you are uh, somebody that most people would think
Speaker 1: is beautiful and or somebody that most people would think
Speaker 1: we're average or blow average or whatever, Like, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: If you hate yourself, then like it sucks to be you.
Speaker 1: It also sucks to even just care a lot about
Speaker 1: how you look, even if you don't dislike it yet,
Speaker 1: because that opens up the possibility that you will one
Speaker 1: day truly hate how you look. That's what I feel about.
Speaker 1: Like the in culs too, is it's like if they
Speaker 1: did get off the computer and spend more time outside
Speaker 1: and like work on developing just like a personality, then
Speaker 1: like women will like you. I feel like people talking
Speaker 1: in an echo chamber to themselves about how no one
Speaker 1: can ever love them. It's like, well, no one ever
Speaker 1: will if you never leave this echo chamber where like
Speaker 1: you're all convinced that you're like ugly and unlovable from
Speaker 1: that like a chin of your all of your examples
Speaker 1: of social interaction are coming from media and fictional media.
Speaker 1: And if you believe that, like if you get the
Speaker 1: chin in plan, it's going to make women like you,
Speaker 1: But then you will be self conscious always that it's
Speaker 1: not the real you, or that they're liking you know,
Speaker 1: you won't respect them because they've fallen in love the
Speaker 1: piece of silic kind of my chin. It's like my
Speaker 1: big old chip. I mean, I didn't even know about
Speaker 1: chin and plants. That was the thing I learned about
Speaker 1: on vander pump Rolls for the first time. Big chin
Speaker 1: and plants, like and I've known several people who have
Speaker 1: had either implants or because you can do a Jubideran
Speaker 1: version of it too, that's that's temporary. I also want
Speaker 1: to say that, like the stereotype that everybody in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles like gets plastic surgery is not true, you know,
Speaker 1: like most people are normal. And I would just say
Speaker 1: it's more like rich people get plastic surgery everywhere. Yeah, um, like,
Speaker 1: and if you want to see the really bad plastic
Speaker 1: surgery and you do, go to Beverly Hills, like it
Speaker 1: can be found, you know. And I do think what
Speaker 1: botched is dealing with a lot is sort of just
Speaker 1: houses that have been flipped a few too many times,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The thing I mean that's
Speaker 1: and that's botched has this weird appeal. It seems more
Speaker 1: humane than the others, because ostensibly it's there to fix
Speaker 1: a problem that isn't like an internal person you know,
Speaker 1: self image problem, but it's an actual medical problem that's
Speaker 1: causing discomfort, and they're swooping in to fix it. The
Speaker 1: problem is and I think it's hard to because I
Speaker 1: know that. For instance, like if you bonk your head
Speaker 1: and you get like a big gash in your forehead
Speaker 1: and you go to the hospital you're supposed to they say,
Speaker 1: request a plastic certain like, don't you know if a
Speaker 1: plastic surgeon is available, you want a plastic surgeon to
Speaker 1: work on a facial wound because they'll take more care
Speaker 1: to make sure that you know, the scar is invisible,
Speaker 1: if that's what you're going for, which I guess it
Speaker 1: mostly is. But I mean, like I did I have one?
Speaker 1: I have one trump bonking my head. You I mean
Speaker 1: we I I've got mad scars. Both of my kids
Speaker 1: have like little scars because um, they both had a
Speaker 1: in with the coffee table at different times in their lives.
Speaker 1: We did not request a plastic surgeon because we were
Speaker 1: just like, it's small, but I got doored in elementary school.
Speaker 1: It was on your bike. No, it's just running down
Speaker 1: the hallway outside the line. Combody opened a door and
Speaker 1: I was door knob heipe. I can't see it though,
Speaker 1: Well it's just little stitches, but that was the first
Speaker 1: time I've ever had like surgery. I guess even though
Speaker 1: it's just stitches, I guess it's just the idea of
Speaker 1: like botched is doing a service that's like, I guess,
Speaker 1: a necessary service. But I think like Molly is saying,
Speaker 1: the most noticeable bad plastic surgery is just the result
Speaker 1: of too much plastic surgery. And and this, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're if you have kind of a facial dysmorphia
Speaker 1: where you get the surgery but it's not quite right,
Speaker 1: so you get another surgery. It's all of you know,
Speaker 1: that is destroying tissue and giving people less to work with.
Speaker 1: And obviously the scary ones are the really subtle ones.
Speaker 1: This is what I was, Yeah, I was going to
Speaker 1: say this. Kate Raft has a zine called Every Celebrity
Speaker 1: Has a Subtle Nose Shop about just like the day
Speaker 1: she realized that every celebrity has a subtle nose job.
Speaker 1: But that's not true. It's not true. But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people who I won't name, on this podcast
Speaker 1: that I didn't know had nose jobs, and then I
Speaker 1: looked at the before and after and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they did have a subtle nose job. I mean, here
Speaker 1: is the thing, like my counter to the thing I
Speaker 1: said a little bit ago where it's just like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like the face that you have, and it's
Speaker 1: the worst thing is just if you hate your face.
Speaker 1: Like and I've written about this before because of my
Speaker 1: facial thing, but like I have a permanent look on
Speaker 1: my face that makes people think that I am side
Speaker 1: eyeing them and think they're stupid. And I've had so
Speaker 1: many people who are like, you're so snobby and sassy,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm just smiling at you. Like I
Speaker 1: would always have this with my my driver's license, because
Speaker 1: I would say I would say I would try to
Speaker 1: do a neutral face in my driver's license, and then
Speaker 1: you know, if I had to show it to anybody
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, you're like copping at tuot in
Speaker 1: you're a picture, I'm like, no, I was just trying
Speaker 1: to smile, Like I don't hate everybody that I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: Doesn't It doesn't seem like hate to me. It seems
Speaker 1: like a sassy like the B from B movie. It's like, so,
Speaker 1: I just like Shrek. I just dread really owes animated character.
Speaker 1: That's horrible. No, it just means that, like it's like
Speaker 1: a sassy like your but I'm not always feeling sassy,
Speaker 1: that's the thing, and like I think that I, you know,
Speaker 1: full disclosure. Aside from that, I have had other very
Speaker 1: subtle things done to my face and it's really kind
Speaker 1: of incredible because people respond to it and they don't
Speaker 1: know what they're responding to. They'll just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you look so fresh, and like there's nothing like it's
Speaker 1: not I haven't told anybody anything, and it's just like
Speaker 1: these little which that's why that stuff is creepy, because
Speaker 1: it's just like nobody is thinking like, oh, you got work,
Speaker 1: do any look incredible? It's just like something's different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't have to I feel like
Speaker 1: I can achieve that effect with mascara because I just
Speaker 1: don't believe when people say those things to me, even
Speaker 1: if they're like, oh, you're being sassy, I feel like
Speaker 1: what they're trying to communicate is something much more sinister
Speaker 1: and evil that's coming from inside of them. And when
Speaker 1: they're like, you look good. I'm like, they want something
Speaker 1: from me, they want me to feel like they're a
Speaker 1: nice person all. To me, it's all just like coming
Speaker 1: from within. The person that I'm dealing with has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with me at all. I don't like, how
Speaker 1: could you be wearing a bag and they could be
Speaker 1: like test I feel my face is like this rubber
Speaker 1: thing that's on over my face and has very little
Speaker 1: relation to like what I'm actually feeling. So I'm used
Speaker 1: to this sort of like gap in perception all the time,
Speaker 1: which is very a little bit crazy making. And also
Speaker 1: like why stuff like the Swan where you were really
Speaker 1: truly altering your face like to not look like yourself
Speaker 1: at all. That is like kind of makes my stomach churn.
Speaker 1: That feels like really terrifying to me because I already
Speaker 1: feel like I don't look how I I think I look,
Speaker 1: which is it's just like a crazy mind fuck. Just
Speaker 1: a little tweaks though, And the way that they are
Speaker 1: able to package injectables as being different from like full
Speaker 1: on surgery, because they are, you know, but just like
Speaker 1: it's just a little needle in your face. You don't
Speaker 1: have to like go under anything That's just seems strange
Speaker 1: because it does seem like in the past, like if
Speaker 1: you have thin lips, you were just kind of like
Speaker 1: that's what you get, you know, and you just like
Speaker 1: learned to wear lipliner um and so the overline baby,
Speaker 1: So to me, I'm just me alone. Yeah, No, that totally.
Speaker 1: That is my favorite look of all times. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: I feel like we all have lips. We're all fine,
Speaker 1: well I don't care about We're all nineties ladies, so
Speaker 1: we don't care about it, Like we are not afflicted
Speaker 1: by this thing. That's sure that if you if I cared,
Speaker 1: I mean I I don't think I have like big lips. Also,
Speaker 1: like lifestyle choice, I'm so de hied or at it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what would I look like if I drank water?
Speaker 1: It would be so amazing. People would be like, have
Speaker 1: you had worked on I'd be like, no, I drank
Speaker 1: like sixty water. Yeah, well yes, just just hose it down.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think it's just like one of
Speaker 1: those things though, where if you start thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, well, at least I don't have thin lips.
Speaker 1: But like, here's what my problem area is. It's just
Speaker 1: it's it destroys your whole life, like it's horrible. I
Speaker 1: think if they offer something where you're like, well, I
Speaker 1: have this, but now that this exists, you know now
Speaker 1: that I could get lip filler like it is on
Speaker 1: the menu. Now order extra oysters. One thing that's been
Speaker 1: really funny to me um as I've been browsing through
Speaker 1: the facial filters on Instagram is finding out that like
Speaker 1: all of the cutie ones have freckles, and like a
Speaker 1: lot of influencer girls have like fake freckles, which is
Speaker 1: just like funny as somebody with real freckles, where you're like,
Speaker 1: because I did the auto like face tune on you
Speaker 1: and it just evaporated your face tune gets rid of freckles.
Speaker 1: But there's all these like, you know, cute like butterfly
Speaker 1: pretty girl filters, and they all have like a sprinkling
Speaker 1: of freckles, which looks super weird on you if you
Speaker 1: already have right well, freckles, freckles. I feel like the
Speaker 1: attitude toward freckles is always is in constant state of flux,
Speaker 1: largely because freckles. You obviously now see freckles and you think, oh,
Speaker 1: sun damage like skin cancer. But then there was that
Speaker 1: article that we talked about on this podcast that I
Speaker 1: hold so tightly for my own sanity, where they said
Speaker 1: that if you don't get any sun, like if you
Speaker 1: completely cover up and where you know, sunblock on your
Speaker 1: face and you never get any sun, that your long
Speaker 1: term risks of health issues from a lack of vitamin
Speaker 1: D are actually more serious than dealing with a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little little bit of skin cancer, a little bay
Speaker 1: skin cancer. Freckles. People do think freckles are like healthy
Speaker 1: because it means you've got a little bit of sun,
Speaker 1: and they did. But then I think that the kind
Speaker 1: of backlash against freckles was being told by your dermatologists
Speaker 1: like freckles are are sun spots, there's sun damage. It's
Speaker 1: your means you're going to be wrinkly, it means you're unhealthy,
Speaker 1: Whereas like some people just have freckles too. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's definitely they darken in the sun, but it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily it's not how you look is not an indication
Speaker 1: of health. And also like as as nineties ladies, as
Speaker 1: we were saying like maybe, uh, maybe it's okay if
Speaker 1: you don't look fifteen forever, but you got some sun
Speaker 1: and had a nice time. Yeah, I mean that's that's
Speaker 1: all that I would want to look like. It's like
Speaker 1: caddl there. I want to look like somebody who's laughed
Speaker 1: and smiled later. My aligns and ship like that are
Speaker 1: like I don't know why people want to get rid
Speaker 1: of that, Like I think that's beautiful. It was for
Speaker 1: all the like hot older French actresses that I was like,
Speaker 1: they seem to be aging. Well, then my mom will
Speaker 1: be like subtle plastic surgery absolutely, absolutely, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: like you are gonna get plastic surgery. Probably France would
Speaker 1: be a good place to Elena Smith's been posting a
Speaker 1: lot of pictures of like the depression era famous photograph
Speaker 1: of a woman with the true lines of life on
Speaker 1: and obviously like style goals a little bit. Always have
Speaker 1: always been like that woman in the Dorothea Laying photograph,
Speaker 1: like she lived a life kind of sucked, but like
Speaker 1: she'd be interesting to talk to. Hell. Yeah, well this
Speaker 1: wraps up our journey in plastic surgery April. We loved
Speaker 1: all the calls, all the feedback that we got from everybody.
Speaker 1: We weren't able to take all of them because we
Speaker 1: got so many great calls. But if you did call
Speaker 1: in right in and we didn't get to you, we
Speaker 1: see you, we hear you, We appreciated it. Um. We
Speaker 1: are going to kick off Why to May next week,
Speaker 1: exploring all things turn of the millennium. Perhaps it will
Speaker 1: be a little nostalgic given that we are actually maybe
Speaker 1: in the world now that we thought we were going
Speaker 1: to be in and two thousands. So yeah, stay tuned
Speaker 1: for that. If you have any stories, questions, comments about
Speaker 1: the late nineties slash early ohs, please give us a
Speaker 1: nightcall at one four oh four six nights. You can
Speaker 1: also shoot us an email at Nightcall Podcast at gmail
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Speaker 1: be doing a Twitch live show details. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: a party, We're gonna have a We're gonna have a
Speaker 1: cave to kick off kick off two cave yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we'll see everybody next week. Give us two
Speaker 1: night calls and get ready for Why Too May Bi