1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever. And iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren z E Ma Comedy from the 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. And Okay, we're going to 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: dip our toe into it, just to dip. 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Just testing the water, just to see how it feels. 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into this political arena. And it's funny 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: that we even have to say that with trepidation these days, 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: because it says a lot about where we are. And 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: maybe it's because we're all passionate and that's a good thing, 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: and hopefully you do have a passion for what's going 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: on in the political arena right now. We obviously have 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: a huge election coming up, maybe the biggest ever, or 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: maybe just feels like it's the biggest ever, because that's 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: the way the media and the press wanteds to feel, 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: because that's what drives viewership. But one thing that Lauren 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: and I wanted to dip our toe into is the 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: debate last week, and it wasn't We're not going to 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: get into who won, who lost, etc. You guys can 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: debate that yourselves, and I'm sure you have your own opinions, 20 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: and Laura and I have of our own opinions. What 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: we love and what Lauren and I both grew up 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: on is journalism and it's what struck us the most 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: after that debate, and it's what has really the reason 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about it. It's like, oh, guys, that debate was 25 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: last week, Well it has carried on. What's happened. What 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: happened in that debate last week is really you're seeing 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: the ramifications and the ripple effects throughout this week, into 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: the Sunday morning shows that I watched, into the interviews 29 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: and the things that are happening on social media now. 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: And that's what has driven the conversation in our house 31 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: between Lauren and I, both of us journalism students, both 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: of us study journalism, love journalism. We talk about it 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: a lot, and so the more we start talking about this, 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: and especially after I saw the Sunday morning shows, I'm like, babe, 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: we got to talk about this. Oh yeah, this was fascinating. 36 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: And another big thing happened on Sunday. I mean, there 37 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: was a second apparent assassination attempt on a former president 38 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: of the United States, and there's a journalistic angle we 39 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: can get in there too, about how much that was 40 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: covered or not. I mean, we were watching the Emmys 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: on Sunday night and I turned to you and said, 42 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: you know what's wild. Yeah, just a few years ago, 43 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: if there had been an assassination attempt on a recent 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: and any former president and a presidential candidate, it would 45 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: have affected the Awards show. It would have been brought up. 46 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: I would venture to say, the hosts would have a set, 47 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: opened the show and everybody, it's a heavy night in 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: America tonight. 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: But I know the execs, I know they definitely would 50 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: have said, let's start the show. We got to say something. 51 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: This is one of the biggest news events in the world. 52 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: A president has been they attempt to assassinate a president 53 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: of the United States of America. 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: And we would have then they would have said, but 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: we're all here together tonight, and we're going to, you know, 56 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 3: do what we do best and try to find joy 57 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 3: together and safety and being together, and we're going to 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: try to make you laugh and have some fun tonight 59 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: and go on as a country and be strong. That 60 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: did not happen Sunday night. So that's another sort of 61 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 3: interesting just journalistic and media note. I think that I 62 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: had and you know, you're right, there's been so much 63 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: and how much you know, coverage that s getting or not. 64 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a little it's a little scary to me, 65 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: however your feelings are. And we are not going to 66 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: get into her who we're endorsing or not. We're not 67 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: going to tell you who to vote for or not. 68 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. 69 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: We're all just moving pretty quickly through the news cycle. 70 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 3: And I think we've been talking about that really since 71 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: the Trump Biden debate, is just how quickly the news 72 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 3: cycle moves now. I mean the first assassination attempt, we 73 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: were passed pretty fast. 74 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm fifty three years old. I've almost now, in the 75 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: last couple of months, have almost doubled assassination attempts in 76 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: my lifetime. 77 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: It's wild. 78 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: And presidents of the United States. You know, I was 79 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: not alive for the Kennedy assassination, so I mean, I 80 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: remember when Reagan was shot, and now I'm watching two 81 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: assassination attempts. And it's in the fact that that wasn't 82 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: No one mentioned that on the red carpet last night, 83 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: as you said, no one, Yes, there were no question. 84 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: At the Grammys a few years ago, I was there 85 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: on the Grammy's red carpet for et and horribly that 86 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: was when the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash happened. And we 87 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: instantly went and I mean, Kobe was in entertainment, but 88 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: he's an athlete, you know, It's not like it was 89 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: an actor. 90 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: But we instantly were like, we have to ask people 91 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: about this. 92 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: And it was really a hard thing to do as 93 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: a reporter because people are there for this beautiful night. 94 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: We were even breaking the news to some people, but 95 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 3: we said, we have to ask them about this. And 96 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: I don't think that happened last night that any of 97 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: the reporters. I didn't see anybody asking about an assassination. 98 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: It's aptitude, it was, and what does that say about 99 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: us as a people? What does that say about us 100 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: as a society as a country right now? And the 101 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: reason that I brought up the debate is last week 102 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: ABC hosted the debate. The debate moderators were David Muir, 103 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: who is the head and the face and the hair 104 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: of ABC News right now, Yes have great hair, and 105 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: Lindsey Davis, a lesser known I think reporter at a 106 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: news and so the two of them moderated the debate 107 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: between Trump and Kamala Harris. And again, don't care who 108 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: you think one or lost, nor should you care who 109 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: I think one or lost. But what I found debatable 110 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: pun intended, was the lack of journalistic integrity, just the 111 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: lack of journalism. It was embarrassing, the display of journalism. 112 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: And I know, whether you sit on the right or 113 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: the left, has this deep moving feeling of who of 114 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: how you think my last comments probably weigh on you, 115 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: but regardless, and I somehow we have to be able 116 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: to dissect this pull away, the politics of it, and 117 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: just look at the journalistic integrity that we are now 118 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: lacking in this country, and it's really glaring. The way 119 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: David Muhr and Lindsay Davis behaved was abysmal, embarrassing, and 120 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: disgusting as a journalist. And that's just purely as a journalist. 121 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: Now as a Republican Democrat, I don't care. You can't 122 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: have what we had last week, and the ramifications of 123 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: that are now being felt dramatically, And maybe maybe that 124 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: was you know, how we say there's this pivot point, 125 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: there's this tipping point, and things are swinging. Things have 126 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: started swinging back the other way because of their behavior 127 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: and what ABC News put on display, which was unbelievably 128 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: every journal This should be studied in school. Is how 129 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: embarrassing this was. 130 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: And to really just put in simple terms what you're 131 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: talking about, Sara on the same page. You mean that 132 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: they didn't fact check both sides. You mean the way 133 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 3: the questions were asked. I'm speaking for you, but yeah, no, 134 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: all these are Yeah, I mean the attitude of like 135 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 3: sort of the the way things were phrased positive versus 136 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: negative between the two candidates, and when they were being 137 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: asked questions. I was watching it going. I mean, look again, 138 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: we won't get into who won or lost. I do 139 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: think that one candidate got pretty riled up and the 140 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: other candidate was a lot more polished in her presentation. 141 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: And you know who I'm talking about, But I. 142 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: Think that I was watching it going, but they're kind 143 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: of only coming at him, and I my gauge and 144 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: our gauge at ET used to be like, look, sometimes 145 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: it's hard because you're in media. Most people in big 146 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: media organizations are coastal. They're you know, they're either in 147 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: LA or New York. And we used to try to say, remember, 148 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: our audience is the middle of the country and what 149 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: are they watching and how what are they interested in? 150 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: We need to be in touch with them, so I 151 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: you know, I'm texting like my friends and the debate 152 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: women who live in Missouri and Texas, and you know, 153 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: I'm in Iowa, the middle of the country, and many 154 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: of them are Kamala supporters. But they were going, I'm 155 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: this debate isn't feeling two sided. And I think it 156 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: was a mistake on ABC's part because a lot of 157 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: people had just watched Biden and Trump on CNN, and 158 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 3: CNN handled it much better. They kept it neutral. They 159 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: just asked the questions. They didn't fact check at all, 160 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 3: which I think was the right choice, because it is 161 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: it is too hard to fact check in the moment. 162 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: It is it's only an hour and a half. Things 163 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: are happening so quickly, you're going back and forth, you're listening. 164 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: It's I just think it's too hard to fact check 165 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: in the moment. And when you're only fact checking one person, 166 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 3: well that's just a glaring obvious bias. Whatever you're politically is, 167 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: whatever it is, it's making it look like you lean 168 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: one way. And as journalists, I know that our media 169 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: has gotten so so like everybody has a brand, you know, 170 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: Fox is this way or MSNBC's this way. But when 171 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: you're conducting a debate between two presidential candidates, this is 172 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 3: a big deal. This is a big stage. This matters, 173 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: and I thought that they handled it really, really poorly. 174 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: My guess is there will be financial ramifications. I know 175 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: there are viewer ramifications that people have. I can't wait 176 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: for more ratings to come out. I find it interesting 177 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: that they torpedo David Muir's career this way. David, and 178 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: maybe he did it on his own, but I doubt 179 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: it because that's not usually how these things work. It's 180 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: it comes from higher up, and that the executives, and 181 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: you know, the president of ABC who is best friends 182 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: with Kamala Harris. I mean the way this started out, 183 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: and again there is an affidavit out. We're going to 184 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: talk about that here in a little bit and we'll 185 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: read through that. But Dana Walden, who's the president of ABC, 186 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: in charge of ABC News and in charge of the debate, 187 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: is best friends with Kamala Harris. They are best friends. 188 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: She introduced Kamala to her husband. That's how they met. 189 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: I was trying to put myself in Dana Walden's shoes, 190 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: and the if my best friend was running for president, 191 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: it is impossible for me to be unbiased. It's impossible. 192 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: It's my best friend and my best friend in the world. 193 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: I was at your wedding, I've watched your kids be born. 194 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: It's I don't blame her for being biased. You should 195 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: be biased. We know who she's voting for. We know 196 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: who she loves and who she's talking to on the daily, 197 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: who she's giving advice to on how to act and 198 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: how to be in these speeches and debates and how 199 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: to handle Trump. So this isn't breaking news that there's 200 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: a bias. It's just I can't believe that we all 201 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: just sat back and watched this unfold and then in 202 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: any way our surprise that when the debate happened on 203 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: her network there was a very glaring bias. It's like, 204 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: we can't have one plus one and we get two 205 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: and go, oh, that's a shock. 206 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: See I disagree. I think it's possible. I just think 207 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: you have to own it. And the reason I say 208 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 3: I think it's possible, and maybe it's from a hopeful place, 209 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 3: but in this world, I think it's impossible for people 210 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: to not. 211 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 2: Know each other. Like by that, I mean when you're 212 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: talking about the world of like. 213 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 3: Really high up media executives, politicians, Like this is an 214 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: elite class of people where people. 215 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: Are going to know each other and it's small circles. 216 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 217 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: They meet each other at party, they introduce each other 218 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 3: to people, like Trump knows a bunch of people high up, 219 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: but he's I mean, I think him and Sean Hannity 220 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: are pretty good friends at Fox, Like after the assassination attempt, 221 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: Sean said he'd talked to the President and spoke to 222 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: the president like, You're gonna have relationships with people because 223 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 3: you cover them intimately as reporters. But what you have 224 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: to do when you're on a stage is you have 225 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 3: to put that aside. And I don't know what the 226 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: inner workings were happening at ABC, but I do know 227 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: that Dana Walden was asked about this on the red 228 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: carpet at the Emmy's by Mark Malkin. 229 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: He's a reporter with Variety. Mark and I were always friendly, 230 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: and I'm glad he asked her this. 231 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark, kudos to you for being a journalist and 232 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: asking the question. 233 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 3: He asked her, what you know people are I think 234 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: you put it people on the far right, which I 235 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: would disagree with a little bit. I think more than 236 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: that are concerned that there was a bias in the debate. 237 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: And I'm paraphrasing him here and she said, and I'm 238 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 3: borderline direct quoting her here. She said, I don't even 239 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: want to dignify that with an answer. And I thought 240 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: that was arrogant. Dignify that with an answer. You run 241 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 3: the network. It's known that this candidate is a very 242 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 3: good friend of yours, and you're talking about the American 243 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 3: people voting for their next president based on what was 244 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 3: on your network. You're the ones who got the debate. 245 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: Dignify that with an answer. Address that. And if nothing 246 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: was going awry behind the scenes, if nothing was you know, 247 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: favorable to one person, then you should be able to 248 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 3: just own that and answer it wholeheartedly and say listen, 249 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 3: I hear, and we just and you should say, I 250 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: talk to my people behind the scenes. I said, listen, 251 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 3: you guys, Kama and I have a relationship. I want 252 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 3: to make sure we treat both people fairly. I want 253 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: to make sure this is really done right. That's what 254 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: you should be saying as an executive, as a leader. 255 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: And that's her answer to that makes the smoke even heavier. 256 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: And where there is that much heavy smoke, now there's fire. 257 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: And so again, I think if you want to seem 258 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: like you are truly an unbiased news organization, which look, 259 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: ABC is notoriously not. They are notoriously not. 260 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: Do you feel that way? 261 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: I know they're not. Well, I mean we can get 262 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: maybe we've. 263 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: Had some personal experience. I see what you're reference. 264 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: I was worn by people. Look, I'll tell you a 265 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: little inside baseball. When I was at ABC, and I 266 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: was there for two decades, there is there's two factions 267 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: to ABC. There's the you know, television side, there's entertainment, 268 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: and then there's the fifty thousand pound gorilla, which was 269 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: always ABC News. And there's a real contentious environment and 270 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: relationship between those two. ABC News is that fifty thousand 271 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: pound gorilla that runs ABC. People have very little say 272 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: over what ABC News does, and so there's already a 273 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: very contentious relationship there and what they pulled off. Again, 274 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: if I was Dana Walton, I would have come out 275 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: because obviously you don't want to seem like you're onlike 276 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: you're biased, and if she had come out before the 277 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: debate said look, I just want to let you guys know, 278 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: I am recusing myself. I have nothing to do with 279 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: this debate. You know, clearly everybody knows where my loyalties lie. 280 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: It's with Kamala. She's a very dear friend. I hope 281 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: she becomes president of the United States. I am recusing myself. 282 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: ABC News will no, I don't know what's going on, 283 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: and even if it's not true, I would have appreciated 284 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: that the fact that even after the mess, that's the 285 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: debacle that was ABC News, when she had the opportunity 286 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: to speak to a very friendly reporter on the red 287 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: carpet to say, I'm not going to even dignify that, 288 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: Like you said, you're a news organization. Not only do 289 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: you need to dignify that, you owe us, that you 290 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: owe that to the country. That's your job. And so yeah, 291 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: to basically stick up your middle finger and say FU 292 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: instead of hey, look, you know, she's my friend, she's 293 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: my girl. But I promise you ABC News is above board. 294 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: How they chose to handle this had nothing to do 295 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: with me. I but what makes me worried. And again 296 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: this is just my maybe it's reality TV brain. I'm 297 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: also a journalist, and I also know I know ABC 298 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: News and I know the way they work. This worries me. 299 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: The Affidavid that came out yesterday. 300 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: Right so, and what. 301 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: Strikes me is that counsel got to her and said, 302 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: do not talk about this because what she did, what 303 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: she really did last night on the red carpet, was 304 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: not put anything in print that she didn't have anything 305 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: to do with this. So it later because if there 306 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: is a whistleblower, and this whistleblower supposedly allegedly has recordings, emails, 307 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: et cetera, and if she is involved in that, she 308 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: would have perjured herself. She would have lied. They have 309 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: her on record. You can't go on record not knowing 310 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: what's out there. If she goes on record and says 311 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with this, ABC News had 312 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: nothing to do with this, you know, et cetera, that 313 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: we were completely unbiased. We didn't fix this debate in 314 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: favor of one of the politicians. If she goes on record, 315 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: in the fact that she didn't go on record last 316 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: night makes me you're right. 317 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes your reality TV brain is very helpful. So 318 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: there is this on Twitter. There's this alleged affidavit from 319 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 3: an employee of ABC News talking about how they saw 320 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: these different biases in the debate, I mean, in the 321 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: way the debate would be handled. And the claims in 322 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: this alleged affidavit are that Harris's team was given access 323 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 3: to sample questions before the debate, which would be a 324 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 3: big allegation, that they were told she would be she 325 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: would look different on camera than trumpet a get a 326 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 3: sized podium better for her, and get visually like a 327 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: better look apparently, and that she was able to take 328 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 3: certain things off the table, was allowed to say some 329 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: topics were restricted, and that the Trump team was never 330 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: given that option. So the affidavit also says that at ABC, 331 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: you know, there's just generally a bias against Trump within 332 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: the organization and that if you are a Trump supporter 333 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: you would fear retribution there. So it's circulating on Twitter. 334 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: It's been picked up by big Twitter personalities. Bill Ackman 335 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: tweeted it today and he tagged Bob Iger in the 336 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 3: tweet and said, Bob address this. Bill Ackman is a 337 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: big successful financial guy, And I mean, especially if she 338 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 3: was given sample questions that would be an incredible violation. 339 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: To me, what struck me And there was one moment 340 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: in the debate where I thought that it just felt 341 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: too like David Mere and Lindsay Davis were two on 342 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: the ready with the fact check. Why would they have 343 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: talked to a city manager in Ohio, oh about the 344 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: eating the cats like that? That to me, like that 345 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: was like, why would you to fact checked that, like 346 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: unless you knew there was a possibility that was going 347 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: to come. But that was the oddest fact check of all. 348 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: What CNN did was they decided, Jake Tapper and them 349 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: at CNN decided, hey, let's just let this go. We're 350 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: not going to fact check it all because honestly, as 351 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: you said, fact checking in real time is impossible. Honestly, 352 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: fact checking post debate is impossible because now the fact 353 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: checkers are being fact checked and it's very subjective and 354 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: so there's a lot that goes into that. But real 355 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: time fact checking is virtually impossible. And obviously Trump said 356 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: things that weren't true. Kamala Harris said a ton of 357 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: things that weren't true, and that has come to light. 358 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: And what is interesting, and I don't know, if we 359 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: want to talk more about the AFFI David, but the 360 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: ripple effect of this ABC debacle on CNN and now 361 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: even on ABC. 362 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, that's who are we watching. 363 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: We're watching Martha Raddits. George Stephanopolis, who worked in the 364 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: Clinton administration, has a Sunday morning show. But Martha Raddits, 365 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: who is a long time, very good journalist, took over 366 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: that was doing the show yesterday Sunday a couple days ago. 367 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: And what I found interesting is Martha Raddits, And again 368 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: this is just this is my perception. I think there 369 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: is probably that debate probably created a great divide at 370 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: ABC News. My guess is there is turmoil behind the 371 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: scenes at ABC News of real journalists who said, are 372 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: you effing kidding me? That was a joke. You just 373 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: absolutely torpedoed any amount of credibility ABC News had and 374 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: Martha Raddits and some of these journalists are very credible 375 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: and very good at what they do. My guess is 376 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: Martha Raddits went on that show and was like, FI you, 377 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to actually do my job. I'm going to 378 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: be a journalist. And she started to the other side 379 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: started calling out Kamala Harris's in consistencies, lies stories, tall 380 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: tales she was telling during the debate. 381 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 3: I think the biggest one was that Vice President Harris 382 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 3: said that there were no troops in an active war 383 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: war zones, no American troops and active war zones anywhere 384 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: in the country. And they're actually like a few thousand troops. 385 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 3: And yes, I shout out to you know the social media, 386 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: real troops posted a video of them watching the debate 387 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 3: while in an active war zones. 388 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: Said well then who are we? 389 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? 390 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: And so Martha had a guest on a governor, a 391 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 3: Democratic governor, and she said, why would Kamala Harris say that? 392 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 3: It is a fact. She said, I have covered troops 393 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 3: and war zones. I know they are American troops and 394 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 3: war zones right now. Why would she say that? And 395 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: she really seemed I agree with you. This is just 396 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 3: my perception, but she seemed agitated. And my instant thought 397 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: was there is frustration behind the scenes, because when you're 398 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: a journalist, your reputation matters, and then the reputation of 399 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: the entity workform matters, and it can be very frustrating 400 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: because you and we all know this. 401 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 2: Anybody knows this. 402 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 3: You're a member of your company and you don't have 403 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 3: control over the choices everybody in the company makes, but 404 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 3: you're aligned with it. And that's really really frustrating. And 405 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: so I one hundred percent think there's fallout happening there 406 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 3: behind the scenes. 407 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: Ratings are in now for David Muir and ABC News Tonight, 408 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: World News, Tonight, World News, Tonight, Thank You, down twelve percent. 409 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: A million viewers over three days, is what they're saying. 410 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: So definitely taking a hit where it matters most, and 411 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: that is viewership, and that is money, and that's advertising. 412 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: So you can't disregard. There is a pretty grand pushback 413 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: to their behavior. 414 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 3: And apparently David Muhir went on I didn't watch the 415 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 3: morning shows, but I guess he went on Live with 416 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: Kelly and Mark. 417 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: So some more inside baseball. So what happens in a 418 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: situation like this is everybody is putting their heads together, 419 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: wringing their hands, figuring out what to do. The ABC 420 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: Comms team will put forth an idea. This is how 421 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: this works. David Muhr can't go on Good Morning Mayor. 422 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: There's only two places he can go right now to 423 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: talk Good Morning America or live with Kelly and Mark. 424 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: Both are part of the ABC family. 425 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: And you mean to talk to say, we. 426 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: Got to get David mure out. 427 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: We got to get him out there. We've got to 428 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: get in front of he. 429 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: This is a disaster. ABC News is melting down. It's 430 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: a huge public relations hit. We got to get David 431 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: Muir out there. David put on blue jeans, boots, look 432 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: like the everyday guy. Go on the friendliest place on 433 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: earth for you with Kelly and Mark. They're not going 434 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: to push you. They're not going to ask any tough questions. 435 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: You need to smile. I know this because I was 436 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: given the same speech by this same people. Go out 437 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: and do the dance. David muirr Is doing the dance. 438 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: I'm curious. I would love to talk to him if 439 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: he's feeling the same thing I felt back when he 440 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: was being pushed out. So David Muir went out into 441 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: the foxhole, onto the front lines by himself with Kelly 442 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: and Mark to gaslight us. Make us all seem crazy 443 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: for uh thinking we saw what we all know we 444 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: saw in the debate. 445 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 3: He said something like and again I'm borderline direct quoting, 446 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 3: but admittedly paraphrasing here. 447 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: I have it, Oh, you have it. 448 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: David Muir says our duty is to ask the issues 449 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: Americans care about, the important issues of our time, and 450 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: then he goes on to list issues as if we 451 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: don't know what issues are. He's listening the issues that 452 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: we talked about in the debate, David. No one is 453 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: negating the fact that we all wanted to hear you 454 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: talk about the issues and some of the questions, some 455 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: of the questions you and Lindsey actually asked, were pertinent 456 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: and they were right questions you should ask in a debate. 457 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: Nobody is giving you a hard time about. 458 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 3: That, right, He's totally dodging and missed and changing the 459 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: direction on what the actual issue is. 460 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: The issue that people feel is. 461 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 3: Donald Trump was fact checked five times, I think, and 462 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris was not fact checked at all, and it 463 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 3: has later come out that. 464 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: Many things she said were false. So that's that simple. 465 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: Thing right there. No matter how you feel politically, that's 466 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: why it felt biased. That's why it felt that way. 467 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: And one of the things the affidavit that we've mentioned 468 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: in this podcast alleges, and this is one of the 469 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: things that of course Kelly and Mark are never going 470 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: to ask, but someone should ask. Well, David, it's not 471 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: that you didn't ask a couple of good questions, but 472 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: it's what you chose to ask Donald Trump, and you 473 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: didn't ask that would have put Kamala under pressure, and 474 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: that is Joe Biden's mental health, That is Kamala's brother 475 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: in law, which honestly, I don't think that should have 476 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: been aspen either. 477 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 3: Oh, you're being specific to the effigy, right, These these 478 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: are the effidavit and these are so I know, I 479 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: just don't want to confuse people, but these. 480 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: Are things that no one's saying. You didn't ask questions. 481 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: We know you and lindsay ask questions. But you also 482 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: chose to skip over the fact that Donald Trump there 483 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: was an assassination attempt against him, he was shot, and 484 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: that was never mentioned. Yet you chose to bring up 485 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: January sixth, which honestly is fine, but you got to 486 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: defend that now instead of going on and now gaslighting us, 487 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: being somewhat glib on Kelly and Mark and just making 488 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: us seem crazy that we didn't just watch what we watched. 489 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: Well, he just didn't address it at all. That's the thing. 490 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 3: And that's why I call it misdirection because it's sort 491 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 3: of he's making this like generally positive statement, like our 492 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: job is to ask the tough questions. And then and 493 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: then he turns to the audience on this appearance with 494 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 3: Live with Kelly and Mark and says, and you know, 495 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: and and the power is yours. The power is in 496 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 3: your hands everybody to vote. And so then people in 497 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 3: the audience applaud because you know, they probably feel like 498 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 3: they've got to applaud that, and maybe there was even 499 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 3: an applause. 500 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: Su went on, this is how it goes, he said, 501 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: quote all the noise you hear afterwards is just noise. 502 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: You have the power. And then, as you just said, 503 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: the stage manager tells every applause. 504 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 3: So it's this very curated, just sort of generic positive thing. 505 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: I mean, if I can read your quote again on 506 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 3: what he said here, he said, our duty is to 507 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: ask the issues Americans care about, the important issues of 508 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 3: our time. You could apply that that has nothing to 509 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 3: do with the bias. 510 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: That people. 511 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 3: Themselves with that generic so it's it's complete misdirection. It's 512 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: let's go create this appearance of a positive thing that 513 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 3: we can attach to him. Now because the ratings are 514 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 3: down twelve percent a million people in just a few days, 515 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 3: and that's really bad for us, and that's really bad 516 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 3: for us in our bottom line. And yeah, I think 517 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: that it it's and I want to you know, circle 518 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 3: his a little more actually happened. 519 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 2: Well, here you go ahead, a. 520 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: Little more has happened with this alleged affidavit. Look, I 521 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 3: do want to keep calling it alleged because this Affidavid 522 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: is circulating on Twitter. We don't it's not from, you know, 523 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: a verified legacy media organization. I don't know where it's 524 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 3: come from. But like I said earlier in the podcast, 525 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 3: Bill Ackman, who's a big presence on Twitter, I'll pull 526 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 3: up how many followers he has right now. He has 527 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 3: one point four million followers on Twitter. And I think 528 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 3: he might be a Disney shareholder because he has tweeted 529 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: at ABC at Bob Eiger, who runs Disney. He says 530 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 3: they should directly address the specific accusations of this whistleblower. 531 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: Iiger Disney should launch a full investigation. He wants the 532 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 3: moderators of the debate to more directly address the accusations 533 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: leveled in this apparent affidavit. He says Disney is subject 534 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: to sec over the reputation of ABC is material to 535 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 3: the value of Disney. As such, the company must address 536 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 3: the specific allegations made by this whistleblower and cannot mislead 537 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: the market by issuing a statement which purports to address 538 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: the issues identified but does not so what he's talking about. 539 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: There is actually. 540 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: Also since we recorded the podcast ABC in addition to 541 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: the Dana Walsh interview on the Red Carpet where she 542 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: said she didn't want to dignify Oh, Dana Walder's so sorry, 543 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: where she said she didn't want to dignify things, ABC 544 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: also and like nobody in the media has covered this. 545 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 3: I mean that's my other kind of big thing here 546 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: is again, whatever your political leaning is, we have to 547 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: be able to ask questions and investigate both sides. 548 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: You can't be We live too much in a time now. 549 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 3: And I do want to say, again, whatever your political leaning, 550 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 3: I don't think I think both parties are responsible for this. 551 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 3: And I do think Donald Trump started a lot of 552 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 3: this rhetoric. He was he he came into the political 553 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: world as an entertainer, and he made big statements and 554 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: he created a lot of chaos and I'm not saying 555 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 3: he's not responsible for that here, even though I do 556 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: think there was more of a bias against him in 557 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 3: the debate. But ABC released a statement, and what the 558 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 3: statement says is, let me pull it up here and 559 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: quote it. And I've only seen it in the Daily Beast. 560 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 3: It's not like this is getting picked up everywhere. The 561 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: statement to the Daily Beast. ABC News followed the debate 562 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 3: rules that both campaigns agreed on, which clearly states no 563 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: topics or questions will be shared in advance with campaigns 564 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 3: or candidates. So what Bill Ackman is pointing out here 565 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: is that that statement doesn't address a lot that this 566 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: alleged AffA David from an alleged whistleblower is accusing ABC 567 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: of doing, like that it was that they allegedly shared 568 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: sample questions, or that they allegedly had talks with Kamala's 569 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: team but not Trump's team. 570 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: And they fixed top they set topics that certain they 571 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: would leave certain things out, like we're not going to 572 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: question when did you know about Joe Biden's mental decline? 573 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: When did you So they fixed topics as well that 574 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: we're yes the Affidavid, Yeah, that's it. I'm just telling 575 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: you what's in the. 576 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 3: Affidavid, Yes, so I think that you know, again, we 577 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: just need to be able to investigate, to question like 578 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 3: what might be. 579 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. 580 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 3: I think people like go around now calling everything, oh, 581 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 3: well that's a conspiracy theory, and that's what the far 582 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: left the far right things. And you know, we do 583 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 3: live in this age of the danger of bad information. 584 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: But that's why we have to investigate things even more. 585 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: And here's the problem. And you know, there has been 586 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: plenty of time and red carpets with Dana Walden to 587 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: clear this up. There's now been an interview with Kelly 588 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: and Mark to clear this up. 589 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: Like, just address it, just say it's false. 590 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: As you said, Dana was just arrogant and just kind 591 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: of gave us all the middle finger. And now David 592 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: Muir just gaslighted everybody saying, guys, you didn't see what 593 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: you just saw. Look over here, like he's David Copperfield 594 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: and just like he went on to say again it 595 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: was so glib. Guys, in a debate. As a moderator, 596 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: we asked questions and then you let them answer. Yes, 597 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: by the way, that's not exactly how the debate went. So, yeah, 598 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: the fact that they have now had opportunity, and every 599 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: opportunity they are very carefully, very scripted, and very carefully 600 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: dancing around the actual allegations is what makes you even 601 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: more suspicious. You're making it worse. And I'm just telling 602 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: you this, David Muhror, be careful. They're going to keep 603 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: pushing you out there, They're going to tell you to 604 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: do the dance. Just be careful. Just make sure there's 605 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: people not acting like they're behind you. They should be 606 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: in front of you, they should be beside you. Don't 607 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: take the fall in this. 608 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: Hmmm little thing called escape coat. 609 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: Yes, be careful, David Muir, Elsie, thanks for diving into this. 610 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 3: Well here we go. What do we have another month? Yeah, 611 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 3: let's have a glass of wine. Everybody all my love. 612 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, and we will continue 613 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: to have these honest conversations with you as that's what 614 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: we do. 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