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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: And them and Tie Welcome back to the saliverbal boys

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Speaker 1: and girls. My name is Ty Hildenbran, joining me as

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Speaker 1: always the man with the plan, the heart of the Midwest. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I said it. He is the heart of the Midwest,

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Speaker 1: living in the heart of the Midwest. Andrew bis Tetzer,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back the pod. How goes it good?

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Speaker 2: I just finished an entire You know, some people call

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Speaker 2: it a cast role. Some people call it a hot dish.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you grew up call. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what I grew up calling it. But I just

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Speaker 2: finished three of those to prove my Midwestern metal. As

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Speaker 2: we talk about college football in March, it's flurrying outside

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Speaker 2: as we speak, Ty, but that's not going to stop

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Speaker 2: us from going through a flurry of news and opinions

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Speaker 2: about the four team A. Yeah, the college football Playoff

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Speaker 2: a by gone era. Dramatically so a by gone era.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we will get into that in just a few minutes,

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Speaker 1: what all that entails and why it is a bygone era.

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Speaker 1: It's now two eurs ago, if we're being proper about it.

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Speaker 1: Because College Football Playoff decided it was going to expand

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Speaker 1: about it on this episode. This is after they just

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that and much much more. And as

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Speaker 1: the bygones that were in the four team college football era,

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Speaker 1: some of our shining moments from said four teen era.

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Speaker 1: As we took a walk down memory lane, you came

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Speaker 2: I cannot tell you how many instances of getting the

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Speaker 2: now at eleven and a half instances like well it

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Speaker 2: was the twenty nineteen LSU team, but it was the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty college football playoff. So I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna mess it up, and it's okay. All I do,

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Speaker 2: all I would ask for is from you some grace

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Speaker 2: tie of course all of this up, and from anybody listening,

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Speaker 2: There was definitely Georgia there, Solibble atgmail dot com or anywhere,

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Speaker 1: Without further Ado, I'm gonna save my voice for the season. Dan,

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Speaker 1: it's not so much breaking at this point. We're recording

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Speaker 1: as we travel back in time to March fifteenth, it

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Speaker 2: We're on, you know, turning over every stone to find

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Speaker 1: the fourteen format was always dumb. It was always dumb.

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Speaker 1: there'll be two fewer teams with buys, those games will

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Speaker 1: the Rose Bawl. They should just play the national championship

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Speaker 1: with the Rose Bowl every year. That'd be great. But otherwise,

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Speaker 2: So like part of the reason, well, who's running the playoff.

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Speaker 2: It's not the Playoff Committee anymore. I get I get it.

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Speaker 1: They're the two with the most weight, the biggest brands,

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Speaker 1: They're going to propose. You know, I made a video

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Speaker 1: This is a little bit shady. In that there's unequal

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Speaker 1: a one point three billion dollar annual agreement between the

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Speaker 1: College Football Playoff and ESPN. That's a lot of potatoes, Dan, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't exist in reality. You're not living in

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Speaker 2: And the new precedent where it's just be as aggressive

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Speaker 1: Pete or somebody on, Pete Sampson or somebody on in

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Speaker 1: the relatively near future to talk through Notre Dame and

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Speaker 1: it stands at independence and what the dollar figure looks,

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Speaker 1: what the delta looks like. Mm hmm, before they decide

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Speaker 1: they need to join the Big Ten. Yeah, what does

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Speaker 1: that look like? Because at some point they will have to.

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Speaker 1: At some point they will have no choice. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's based on Florida State leaving the

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Speaker 1: ACC and making that conference basically insolvent. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's based on some of the upcoming let's say,

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Speaker 1: court rulings with respect to whether or not players are

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Speaker 1: employees and if that changes this sport again in a

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Speaker 1: pretty drastic way. I don't know what that tipping point is,

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Speaker 1: but at some point that dollar figure, that gap between

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame and teams in the Big ten is going

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Speaker 1: to be so great that they're going to have no choice.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I guess I mean at some point it has I

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Speaker 2: don't even know if that's true. I think there's something

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Speaker 2: about the freedom that Notre Dame has that is worth

451
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Speaker 2: an amount of money that isn't necessarily quantifiable, but it

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Speaker 2: allows a certain amount of scheduling flexibility, it allows a

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Speaker 2: certain amount of advertising revenue, TV revenue.

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Speaker 1: Where Dan this is the system, the way that this

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Speaker 1: is set up, and again we don't know what the

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Speaker 1: format is of the fourteenth thing for team thing yet,

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Speaker 1: but the way that the twelve team playoff is set

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Speaker 1: up we've talked about on the pod. It's it's advantageous

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Speaker 1: for Notre Dame. It doesn't work against them, right, it

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Speaker 1: really doesn't. So if you're not game and you're making

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Speaker 1: that calculation like, Okay, we don't play a conference championship

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Speaker 1: game against a better team, We're going to get in turn,

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Speaker 1: a worse team at home first round of the playoff.

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Speaker 1: That's a trade you make, all things being equal. But

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Speaker 1: if there is a money conversation, if that's money that

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Speaker 1: you can use to, you know, fund whatever I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not an ad I'm not an administrator. Sure, then

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Speaker 1: perhaps it's a different conversation, but that's we will ask

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Speaker 1: that question to somebody more informed than Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: Front should also mention there are a couple of clauses

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Speaker 2: in this deal. For peekins I think is the phrase,

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Speaker 2: so you know, after the first season, I believe there's

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Speaker 2: a peek in to further discuss the competitive nature and

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Speaker 2: financial nature of a fourteen team playoff. And also there's

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Speaker 2: a clause if there is some sort of realignment or

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Speaker 2: major realignment that happens, then the player is involved, Let's

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Speaker 2: be clear, not the football player, now the representatives of

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Speaker 2: major conferences and institutions.

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Speaker 1: The guys in like yellow jackets, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they can meet up to discuss the future

481
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Speaker 2: of the playoff. Like it's not set in stone. They're

482
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Speaker 2: opportunities to be a little bit flexible with the format

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Speaker 2: should there be realignment as well, So they're baking in

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Speaker 2: a number of different interesting avenues for change should they

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Speaker 2: want it.

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Speaker 1: Along the way.

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Speaker 2: So we have twelve teams for twenty twenty four to

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and then starting in twenty six, so

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Speaker 2: that would be the twenty twenty four regular season begets

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Speaker 2: a twelve team playoff, same for twenty five, and then

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Speaker 2: starting with the twenty twenty six regular season, we go

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Speaker 2: to fourteen, which, honestly, at this point point the most

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Speaker 2: fascinating element to me is not the like how many

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Speaker 2: Big ten and SEC teams get autobids, because we know

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a lot. It's more how are

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Speaker 2: they making this calendar? How are they setting aside the

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Speaker 2: time in December? How deep into January are they willing

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Speaker 2: to go to hold this playoff for how early into December?

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Speaker 2: Or what becomes of conference championship games? What becomes of

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Speaker 2: the portal dates, what becomes of and I know we

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Speaker 2: I think we've mentioned it just in passing that like

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Speaker 2: some of the dates around signing day, Like I don't think,

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it's happening this time. We'll do a

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Speaker 2: show about the changing calendar, but like we could have

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Speaker 2: a summer signing day relatively soon. I believe, like everything

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Speaker 2: is changing in terms of calendar. How are we going

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Speaker 2: to rejigger everything to squeeze in you know, the round

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Speaker 2: of fourteen games or whatever that first round in some

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Speaker 2: place in December, what happens with the bulls aligning with everything?

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Speaker 2: It's I don't envy the job of whoever's formulating this

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: No, And you're also talking about players who are going

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Speaker 1: to play seventeen games, correct, Yeah, players who are going

514
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Speaker 1: to play seventeen games, twelve plus the conference championship. Maybe

515
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Speaker 1: your team loses, but you still get in. Maybe you'll win,

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Speaker 1: but you don't get the buy Suddenly you go the

517
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Speaker 1: full way through, you're playing seventeen games, and on some level,

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Speaker 1: that's a player safety issue. I mean it was in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Sure fourteen is going to be exactly like

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Speaker 1: the NFL with the way that they've expanded their playoff

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Speaker 1: with the Super wild Card weekend, and they expanded to

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Speaker 1: fourteen teams as well a couple of years ago, and

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Speaker 1: so on some level, there's a conversation here about if

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Speaker 1: we do get to appointment with college football where we're

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Speaker 1: calling players employees, even in the current state with NIL,

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Speaker 1: where players can use leverage if they want to. Haven't

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Speaker 1: seen a whole lot of it, but there, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's certainly been opportunities out there if players who are

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Speaker 1: right before the NFL and ready to go on to

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Speaker 1: the next level, look at the playoff system and say, wow,

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Speaker 1: this is I don't know. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: want to put myself through four more games. Those are

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Speaker 1: conversations that I think we're gonna man have more of as.

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Speaker 2: Even though the red shirt conversation around, Like, you get

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Speaker 2: the four games and then we've had an ability to

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Speaker 2: watch red shirt players in bowl games. So is there

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Speaker 2: going to be a player who plays six, seven, eight

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Speaker 2: games or something like that in a season, but technically

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Speaker 2: it didn't happen in terms of their red shirt year.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait. I can't It's so screwy. And say

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Speaker 2: what you will about the four team model it was,

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Speaker 2: and you can argue about the selection process. You can

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Speaker 2: argue about a number of elements of it in terms

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Speaker 2: of schedule, in terms of bracket pretty clean now, pretty

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Speaker 2: clean way of going about a postseason. I haven't been

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Speaker 2: a big fan of it overall. It's just been kind

547
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Speaker 2: of yanky to me. But I look forward to all

548
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Speaker 2: of the four team hipsters that this sport is about

549
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Speaker 2: to breed in like twenty thirty three. Ah, the good

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Speaker 2: old days when I could just watch Darren Lee tackle,

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Speaker 2: you know, Thomas Tyner or something early on in the

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Speaker 2: four team era. It's uh, it's gonna We're gonna get

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Speaker 2: a bunch of four team hipsters out of this, which

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Speaker 2: is truly astonished.

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Speaker 1: Four team hipsters. That's a perfect segue. That's what I do.

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Speaker 1: That's a perfect segue to get into the meteor portion

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Speaker 1: of this episode where we talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: some of that fourteen era before we do. Though, again,

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Speaker 1: hit follow if you want to help support the show.

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00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate that. Also, chime in on social media, chime

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Speaker 1: in vi email, sofabogmail dot com. Really, wherever it is

562
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Speaker 1: you're consuming this, whatever means you are comfortable with, let

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Speaker 1: us know what your thoughts are in this fourteen teamer

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Speaker 1: We've been, We've been, I think very interested. We always are,

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Speaker 1: but let's say even more interested to get the pulse

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Speaker 1: of the verballer hood on this one, because after years

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Speaker 1: of college football sort of being rooted in one philosophy,

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Speaker 1: suddenly things have changed very drastically. And that is when

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Speaker 1: you get very interesting opinions from folks who have followed

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Speaker 1: this sport their entire lives, people who live and die

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Speaker 1: by the sport the way Dan and I do. We

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Speaker 1: just welcome any and all feedback, So however, you can

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Speaker 1: hit us up, let us know your thoughts. We've had

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Speaker 1: people send in their own formats, and their own formulas,

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Speaker 1: and their own conspiracies. We read all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: We can't respond all of it, but we certainly do

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. So, however, you are comfortable reach out and

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Speaker 1: give us your thoughts on the topic of the fourteen

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Speaker 1: teamer Dan flips it is March Madness Week here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Organs in the tournament and eleven seed right.

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Speaker 2: Pack the final pack twelve men's basketball champions. Yes, taken

582
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Speaker 2: on South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna pick a brack? You're gonna pick a bracket? Right?

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Speaker 1: Of course I am going to pick a bracket. We have.

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Speaker 1: I started the pool, so if you're a patriaronver baller,

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Speaker 1: you can play in the pool. I'll make sure that

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Speaker 1: that gets posted for people who are interested. Have not

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Speaker 1: looked at the bracket, have not watched any college basketball

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Speaker 1: this year, But of course I'll be picking a bracket

590
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Speaker 1: and being in multiple money pools. That's just the way

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Speaker 1: I roll. You haven't watched it.

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Speaker 2: I've watched a lot of Caitlin Clark's been right' I.

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Speaker 1: Haven't watched a minute of college basketball this year, oh

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Speaker 1: a single minute. I've seen some of the controversy about

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Speaker 1: court storming and players getting like right right knocked over

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Speaker 1: and some of the Jay Billis takes. But beyond that,

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Speaker 1: I am. I am relatively uninformed as compared to is Good.

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Speaker 2: And they've got a big, tall guy named Zach Zach Edie,

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Speaker 2: That's what I can tell you.

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Speaker 1: And they lost last year, I believe.

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Speaker 2: Well, big ten teams always losing the tournament embarrassing fashion

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Speaker 2: that first weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I play the Gus Johnson sound. I'll play

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Speaker 1: it again, one of the all time great clips during

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Speaker 1: twenty time from our man Gush Johnson. We went back

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Speaker 1: through time and we looked at some of those moments

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Speaker 1: over the fourteen era that bring us the warm fuzzies. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, sense of nostalgia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got I don't know if we're dealing this

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Speaker 2: with this on in like a one shining or a

611
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Speaker 2: bunch of shining moments level or a high school yearbook

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Speaker 2: superlative type level. But looking back on the last so

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Speaker 2: it would have been what ten fourteen playoffs? Yeah, is

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Speaker 2: my math correct, Ye, I hope it is.

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Speaker 1: We got it.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of stuff that I forgot about, a bunch

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Speaker 2: of performances that I would love to rebathe in the

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Speaker 2: jacuzzi of Like, there's been a lot of excellence throughout

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Speaker 2: the years, a lot of names where you're just like,

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Speaker 2: I remember that guy, then you like go back and

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Speaker 2: watch the highlights of JK. Dobbins against Clemson, right, or

622
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Speaker 2: like JK. Dobbins and Trevor Trevory, if you Travis etn

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Speaker 2: on the same field, Like, there's so much and there's obviously, Look,

624
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of Ohio State, there's a lot of Clemson,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of Alabama. But the individual performances, the

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Speaker 2: weird plays, the streaks, like there was a lot. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of meat on that bone that I think

628
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Speaker 2: we can now in turn as four team hipsters, we

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Speaker 2: can start gnawing a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit, start us off, what are you knowing on? All? Right? Who? Look?

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Speaker 2: Who's the best team of the playoff era? To me,

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Speaker 2: there are a number of quality answers to this twenty

633
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Speaker 2: twenty one So the twenty twenty one regular season, Georgia

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Speaker 2: most definitely has to be in that conversation. I believe

635
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Speaker 2: they of the College Football Playoff national champions finished with

636
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Speaker 2: the season best net points per drive, which is a

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Speaker 2: sort of straightforward metric that I look at offensive points

638
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Speaker 2: per drive minus defensive points allowed per drive. It's like

639
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Speaker 2: two point seven net, which is an insane number. They

640
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: were great, Obviously, the twenty twenty one team was great,

641
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Speaker 2: had a bunch of individual moments killed a bunch of teams.

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Speaker 2: Certainly win a national championship on one of those huge

643
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Speaker 2: moments with Keeley Ringo and the pick six YEP in

644
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Speaker 2: their revenge spot against Alabama to whom they lost the

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Speaker 2: SEC championship game. Right before that, you have twenty nineteen LSU.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say twenty nineteen LSU for me,

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Speaker 1: and I know it is mostly on the back of

648
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow in that offense, but sure, the way that

649
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: they ripped through teams in the playoff was I think

650
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: pretty notable. They put up sixty three on Clemson to

651
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: win the national championship. They won in resounding fashion over

652
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: Oklahoma in the semi finals as well. Nobody ever came, well,

653
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: I should say ever, but nobody came when the Robbert

654
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: really met the road in the playoffs in some of

655
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: those big games. This was LSU asserting its dominance and

656
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: obviously Joe the Heisman that year, right, that was just

657
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: such a once in a generation team that for me,

658
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: it's hard not to put them number one.

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Speaker 2: The vibes are hard to top. Yeah, if you look

660
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: at the actual data, if you look at you know,

661
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: the number of NFL players on both sides of the ball.

662
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: There are interesting cases for other teams like twenty twenty

663
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 2: one Georgia, like twenty twenty Bama with Mac Jones being extraordinary,

664
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Speaker 2: obviously DeVante Smith being likely the best receiver of the

665
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 2: modern era in terms of his casual dominance, start calling

666
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: the plays for that Alabama offense casually, just also walking

667
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: to a national championship win against I believe Ohio State

668
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: after beating Notre Dame in the semi that year. And

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Speaker 2: so there is something about that Alabama year, that year's

670
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: team and the I mean, look, you look at the

671
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: receivers on the LSU team, it's matched in terms of

672
00:35:54,440 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: the college performances and bright shining talent of Alabama. So

673
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: it's rugs, Judy DeVante Smith and who am I forgetting.

674
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle Jalen Waddle.

675
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So you have super star power at receiver

676
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: for both of those teams, Najee Harris in the backfield,

677
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: Clyde Edwards for LSU. Joe Burrow certainly has established himself

678
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: as an NFL quarterback on a level that Mac Jones

679
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 2: has not. Mac Jones is now a backup, I believe

680
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: for the Jags the NFL. Yeah, at least for a year,

681
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: he'll be a backup. So Joe Burrow certainly has grown

682
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: as a name more than Alabama has. And Stetson Bennett certainly,

683
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: you know, a terrific college quarterback, but hasn't been a

684
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: factor in the NFL. I kind of limit it to

685
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: those three teams, and I don't know if there's a

686
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: team whether you look at like twenty fourteen Ohio State

687
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: with the way they finish out the year. But like

688
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: you compare Cardell Jones against who was great was absolutely

689
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: great Big Ten Championship, and certainly the Alabama game with

690
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: great Clemson teams Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence. But in terms

691
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: of and it's a subjective electric vibes, I think what

692
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: LSU did and I actually and just in looking at

693
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: the playoff. Do you remember what they did against Oklahoma

694
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: in the first half of that semi.

695
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they shorre fifty points. They destroyed them.

696
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: I think it was forty nine points in the first half.

697
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: And when it gets to be that cartoonish, it just

698
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: resonates with me. So it's obviously a subjective answer. If

699
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: you're a Georgia fan, if you're a fan of huge

700
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: defensive football, and you say, twenty twenty one Georgia, it's

701
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 2: not losing any of these games, that's fine. Georgia did lose.

702
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: Georgia lost to South Carolina in double overtime. There were

703
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: four big upsets.

704
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about twenty twenty one, Georgia lost to

705
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: oh twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about lost Alabama the SEC. I'm talking twenty nineteen.

707
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen was a big year across the board. Yeah,

708
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't just LSU and the generational season. But Georgia

709
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: lost the double overtime South Carolina. That was a big deal. Well, Wisconsin,

710
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember Wisconsin losing as like

711
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: a thirty one point favorite to Illinois. Your Oregon DUCS

712
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: loss on the road to ASU of course not, and

713
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: number five Oklahoma lost on the road as a twenty

714
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: three and a half point favorite against I believe, Kansas State.

715
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: In addition to the fact that this was all yeah, yeah,

716
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: this was all underpinned by the Alston lawsuit. Not to

717
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: get too gooy with the legal ees here, no, you're

718
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: known for your gooiness. Continue, But the Austin lawsuit was

719
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: what paved the way for NIL. It was built on

720
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: the back of the Ed Abandon lawsuit that had come

721
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: down I think a few years prior to that, but

722
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: that ultimately sort of changed the way that college football

723
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: is viewed now. It put us, in a sense down

724
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: this path of NIL and the transfer portal and money

725
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: and well we could talk about that on a separate podcast.

726
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen, by any measure, was a really momentous yere

727
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: in the sport and.

728
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: A crazy ending. By I mean, that's why Alabama's twenty

729
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 2: nineteen squad isn't in this conversation, because they were incredible.

730
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 2: They lose a shootout to LSU and then they lose

731
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: to Auburn. Mac Jones at that point had taken over

732
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: to against heart I believe against Mississippi State. Mac Jones

733
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: outperforms bo Nicks when he's completing passes to Alabama players,

734
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: but he also throws two pick sixes, which ultimately ice

735
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: the game for Auburn.

736
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're right.

737
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen was bonkers.

738
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Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen was bonkers. Twenty twenty three was bonkers in

739
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: a sense too. Sure. Michigan wins thirty four to thirteen

740
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: over number two Washington, the Battle of Michigan versus Michael

741
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: Pennix and this crazy run that the Huskies went on

742
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: with their offense, primarily their offense, key moments on defense

743
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: that catapulted them got them to the National Championship game.

744
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: We've had this question before about where Michigan ranks in

745
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: the pecking order here. Michigan, I think was a different

746
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: kind of team than some of the ones currently than

747
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen LSU. Yeah, but I think the way that

748
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: Michigan pulled together and the way that they were able

749
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: to kind of assert their will on teams should not

750
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: be forgotten in this conversation. They might not be number one,

751
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: number two, or number three, but I think they're certainly

752
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: in the top five here as we look back because

753
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: of their ability to do in essence, the same thing

754
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: over and over again. Teams knew what was coming and

755
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: they still could not stop it. From the Michigan side

756
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: of things, never mind the whole Connor Stallion's thing. I mean,

757
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: I know Michigan fans don't like to hear us talk

758
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: about that, and that's fine, right, but their ability to

759
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: do the same thing over and over again, seemingly frustrating

760
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: the hell out of opponents was really really notable in

761
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: my mind. Like as a Yankee fan, the way that

762
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: Marianna Rivera would come in and basically throw one speed.

763
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't always one pitch, but it was one speed

764
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: the entire time mm hmm and be dominant. Feel a

765
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: little bit like that. With Michigan this past season. You

766
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: knew what they were going to do. There were nuances,

767
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: there were wrinkles here and there, but ultimately it was

768
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: we're going to hand the ball off, We're going to

769
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: bash your brains in. It's mostly based on what we

770
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: can do on the ground and playing killer defense, and

771
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: they did that to great effect. They'd been building for

772
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: two years prior and they finally were able to get

773
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: over the hump this past season. That's I think an

774
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: accomplishment and dude, watching them kind of go through the

775
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: added elements of you know, the having coaches suspended, like

776
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: having to deal with this off field controversy, the way

777
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: they pulled together that that should not be overlooked as

778
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: part of this conversation when we're talking about superlatives.

779
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: No, I think that the things you hold against Michigan

780
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: aren't fully their fault, right. The Big Ten was kind

781
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: of hot garbage this year, and so just in terms

782
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: of fun, electric vibes, you're not getting that from Misschigan.

783
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: It's not like their team was built for that anyway.

784
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: But the Big Ten was terrible. The schedule was largely terrible,

785
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: and Michigan did not get lucky. They won these games,

786
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: but they played against a probable non NFL quarterback at Alabama,

787
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: which is a rare feat, and then a Washington team

788
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: which had a National championship caliber offense but not defense,

789
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: and Michigan can't control who they play. I think Michigan

790
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: as a unit would hang with the very best of

791
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: this list Georgia, and you hold it a little bit

792
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: against them because they did play a playoff Georgia team

793
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: and didn't belong on the same field. Relatively recently, not

794
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: that the roster was exactly the same every years. Its

795
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: own little ecosystem, its own living, breathing thing. But we

796
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: did see matchups with like what Michigan wanted to do

797
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: with Jim Harbaugh and some of these assistant coaches against

798
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: the best of the SEC wasn't always. So you don't

799
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: knock the twenty twenty three team for that, but it

800
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: sort of enters into your brain a little bit. If

801
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: you're saying, how would the twenty twenty three team compare

802
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,959
Speaker 2: against twenty twenty one Georgia or how would the twenty

803
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: twenty three team compare against twenty nineteen LSU or twenty

804
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: twenty Alabama, You're like, they compared favorably against Washington and

805
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: this year's Alabama.

806
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm still a little bit mythed

807
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: that they lost TCU. For as good as the TCU

808
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: story was in the twenty twenty two season, TCU did

809
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: not belong on the same field as Georgia in that

810
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: Nation six to seven finals, lost by fifty eight points.

811
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: I remember we were doing the live stream during that

812
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: and we were out of stuff to talk about pretty

813
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: early on in that game. I felt, yeah, horribly, well,

814
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: not horribly, but I felt for Chris Fowler and Kirk

815
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: Curve Street and anyone doing an on air live broadcasts

816
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: for millions of people, because there just was not much

817
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 1: to talk about. It happened pretty quickly too. It happened,

818
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: quit was a flash fry. It was just over before

819
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: it started. I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get

820
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: to see the Georgia Michigan matchup because I remember in

821
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: the build up to that game, or in the build

822
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: up to the playoff games, a lot of our commentaries

823
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: centered around the fact that both Georgia and Michigan played

824
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: a very similar style, and it would be if there

825
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: were one to two going into that playoff, it would

826
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: have been very, very intriguing to see how Georgia and

827
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: Michigan would have matched up compared to one another. I

828
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: think it would have been a much much different game

829
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: than what we ended up seeing in the championship. All

830
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: due credit to Georgia. They were the number one team

831
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: in the country for a reason. They won that game

832
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: going away, But I'm a little disappointed we didn't get

833
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: to see Michigan in that matchup.

834
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Speaker 2: Right, I another team I would put in this conversation

835
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: and I'm still gonna go with twenty nineteen LSU just

836
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: because of the Electric Vibes, which is the name of

837
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: a dad band I'm actually putting out the Electric Vibes

838
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: were very bad, poor.

839
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Speaker 1: Song selection, out of tune. You name it.

840
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen Clemson. So twenty eighteen Clemson wins the National

841
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: Championship going away. I know this because I watched it

842
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: from a hospital bed when my wife accidentally ate walnuts

843
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: and had an allergic reaction during the National Championship that

844
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: I watched in iPad forty four to sixteen game is

845
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: basically never in doubt. This was the best defense in

846
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: the country. Clemson had a Brent Venables defense. It was

847
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: a top ten offense. Trevor Lawrence is a freshman Travis

848
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: atn I believe this is justin Ross t Higgins if

849
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: I'm getting my years correct. Like they have Winter Wonders

850
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: at receiver. It was almost the reason why we coin

851
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: that term Winter Wonders. That like Clemson's receivers. I mean

852
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: maybe Amari Rodgers on this team if memory serves post

853
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: Jordan Leggett, perhaps, but like these guys where he's just

854
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: like you only have so many dbs and Clemson just

855
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: has this like unlimited armory of receivers and that seemed

856
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: to be such a difference maker when these guys were

857
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 2: going up and making place Mike Williams in this era

858
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: of Clemson and they were just bodying Alabama dbs left

859
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: and right. And obviously Clemson has the history with Alabama

860
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: in these National Championship games going back and forth and

861
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 2: what fifteen and sixteen teams, But yeah, the twenty eighteen team,

862
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: especially when you look at like where the defensive line was,

863
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: that the amount of experience up front for Clemson, like

864
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: it might be easy and I'll speak for myself, only

865
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: easy for me to sort of overlook Clemson now because

866
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: of how they've fallen off these past few years.

867
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: But those teams were death. So the very first one

868
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: was the Cardile Jones game. I was Ohio State Oregon.

869
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: I believe I was with you. I was in your

870
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: presence after you got back from this game. Yeah.

871
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: I went to this one with Spencer Hall. Yeah I was.

872
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: I was there.

873
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: We did a Jerry World, we did a post show, yeah,

874
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: in Texas. But beyond that, the seesaw between Alabama and

875
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: Clemson from twenty fifteen through twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

876
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: we had a good little stretch there where these teams

877
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: were going back and forth. Outside of those four games,

878
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: most of the championship games that we've seen have not

879
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: been particularly close, even the one in twenty eighteen, the

880
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence game that you mentioned when he was a

881
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: true freshman and came in after starting the year behind

882
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: Kelly Bryant. Clemson won that game forty four sixteen over Alabama.

883
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: We did have a nice little stretch there though. Twenty

884
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: fifteen Alabama wins forty five to forty over number one Clemson.

885
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen, Number two Clemson gets revenge over Alabama thirty

886
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: five thirty one. Twenty seventeen Alabama over Georgia twenty six

887
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: to dis Yeah, that was the to a game where

888
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: he came in at halftime. That was an overtime game.

889
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: Outside of like a nice little run there, most of

890
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: these championship games have not been particularly close.

891
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: So in my best looking superlative, I have twenty nineteen,

892
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: LCU twenty twenty, Bama twenty eighteen, Georgia twenty eighteen, Clemson

893
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, Georgia, and I have down here both

894
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: Scarborough just in general because I remembered him looking absolutely jacked,

895
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: went back and looked it up. Was correct, So best

896
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: looking justin John. That would have been the twenty sixteen

897
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: Alabama win over Washington. He had a huge run. Alabama

898
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: holds Washington, I think just seven points. Jake Browning was

899
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: beat up I think heading into that game and just

900
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 2: didn't have the arm. But the Washington defense was great

901
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: that year. So that's I think that was the year

902
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: where I said I don't see a loss on this schedule.

903
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 2: They did lose to Sam Donald and USC. They did

904
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: drop seventy on Oregon in a winning effort in Auts

905
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: and with Jake Browning pointing to an Oregon player as

906
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: he ran in a touchdown. One of the touchdowns ultimately

907
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: one of the pieces that got Mark Helfrich fired to

908
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 2: Oregon hiring Willie Taggart for eight. But yeah, that was

909
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: That was my both Scarborough reference that I wanted to

910
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: get in there.

911
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: What about worst?

912
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: I want to say worst team because these are all

913
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: playoff teams, so I have like worst looking for playoff performances,

914
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 2: playoff teams. Whatever I have down here okay, Oregon's linebackers

915
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: against Ohio State. Zeke Elliott, by the way, rushed for

916
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: nearly five hundred yards against Alabama and Oregon on that

917
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen right though the Brent Musburger through the Heart

918
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: of the South, whenever it was seventy two yards through

919
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: the heart of the South. I have Florida State quitting

920
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: against Oregon and losing that game by forty. That was

921
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 2: the Jamis Winston slip fumble. Tony Washington runs at sixty

922
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: yards back. I was in the stadium for that.

923
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: That was great.

924
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: I have the Big Ten slash Michigan State slash Midwest

925
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: if you include Notre Dame streak, and I calculated the days,

926
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: it was eighteen hundred and eleven days between Midwestern touchdowns

927
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: in the college football playoffs, so that would have been

928
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: the final touchdown scored by High State against Oregon until

929
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: I think Ohio State lost twenty nine to twenty three

930
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 2: against Clemson twenty twenty one. I'll get the year wrong,

931
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: it's okay, and then two and eighty one days between

932
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: Big Ten slash Midwestern wins playoff wins between Ohio State,

933
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: I believe beating Clemson in a semi in Ohio State

934
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: beating beating Oregon in the National championship. So Notre Dame

935
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: loses thirty to three to Clemson thirty to.

936
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: Three, and I believe thirty one fourteen to Alabama. So

937
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: they've had two playoff appearances and scored seventeen points.

938
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 2: Right, so they scored points, yes, and then Michigan State

939
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: thirty eight nothing against Alabama. That is the first playoff

940
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah, no, sorry, second playoff like Alabama beats

941
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 2: Ohio State and then say we're very dumb people, thirty

942
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 2: eight nothing. That year's Michigan State team, it's a really

943
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 2: good team. It was a really good team. They beat

944
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: Iowa State sixteen thirty thirteen in the Big Ten championship game.

945
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: That's a Connor Cook Michigan State team. Probably was in

946
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: a position to lose to Purdue, probably should have lost

947
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: to Oregon. But they make it there kind of behind,

948
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 2: not kind of behind an impressive win against Ohio State

949
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: in which Ohio State decided not to give the ball

950
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: to Zeke Elliot. If you remember that seventeen thirteen loss

951
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: where Zeke got twelve touches, I want to say, so

952
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: Michigan State gets in there and they score precisely zero points.

953
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: I think Michigan State's a team I thought of first

954
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: when you mentioned this. Yeah, and you know, to their credit,

955
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: that was a very good Michigan State team, as you said,

956
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: but they did sort of run into a bit of

957
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: a buzzsaw, right. I mean, they're playing against Alabama. That

958
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: Alabama team won the championship. Clemson was also in the

959
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: mix there. It was right in the throes of this

960
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: Clemson Alabama rivalry of sorts. And there were a bunch

961
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: of teams that sort of got our own thrown to

962
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: the side. Amid that. Oklahoma is one of them. You

963
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: mentioned Michigan State, Washington, We could throw Washington in there,

964
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: even Ohio State to some extent, teams that notre Dame, right,

965
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: teams that were also vying to try and get their

966
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: moment in the sun, but just couldn't because Alabama claims

967
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: that we're going through there, they're heydays. What else jumped

968
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: out to you? You went back through all of these

969
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: and bo Scarborough maybe is a good example, but you know,

970
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: I look through just to try and get context for

971
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: where some of these seasons were interesting, and you know,

972
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: of course it culminates with the national championship. But I

973
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: find moments like twenty seventeen, Iowa put up fifty five

974
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 1: on Ohio State.

975
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that helped keep them out.

976
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. If Iowa put up fifty five on Ohio State

977
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, what that.

978
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: People would assume it would be women's basketball. I mean,

979
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: how far are we've fallen as an offensive unit? Yeah,

980
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: and their offense I don't think was even that great

981
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 2: that year. You can go back and look up the scores.

982
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: I think it was sort of like a weird every

983
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: that just the stars aligned on a random Saturday with

984
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: Nate Stanley and Iowa. But yeah, that helped to keep

985
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: out a very good Ohio State team out. So they

986
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 2: believe they started that year that was They lose to

987
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: Oklahoma with as we remember, Baker Mayfield does what at

988
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: the end of that game plans a big old flag

989
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: at midfield in Columbus. So it's tough to lose. I mean, look,

990
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: Oklahoma was a playoff team that year. We haven't even

991
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: mentioned that. Oklahoma that season probably played in depending on

992
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 2: your preference for game style, the most memorable college football

993
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 2: playoff game we've had in the Georgia Oklahoma Rose Bowl

994
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: semi just at an absolute shootout that Georgia somehow comes

995
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: away with a win. Unthinkable for George to play in

996
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: that kind of game, now, ye, but a crazy, entertaining game.

997
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 2: Oklahoma looked certainly much better in the first half. Georgia

998
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: has the great running backs. It's a jake from Georgia team.

999
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: He leads them to the national championship very early on

1000
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 2: in his career. But no, it was a crazy game.

1001
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: I remember watching that with I think I was watching

1002
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: it with our friend Bill Barnwell in Brooklyn, and it

1003
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: was just a stunner of a TV show. Couldn't have

1004
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 2: asked for more, mostly because I wasn't rooting for either team.

1005
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: I just wanted entertaining football. So yeah, that was That's

1006
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: probably the single greatest performance by two teams in a

1007
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: game to me, just because of the back and forth nature,

1008
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: not by defenses, but by the back and forth nature,

1009
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: by the way that we've had to have like a

1010
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 2: Mike Stoops conversation about the four team era that he

1011
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: was like heavily involved, like his footprints, his hand prints,

1012
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 2: whatever his fingerprints are, heavily on the four team era

1013
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: is not a great.

1014
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: Look for the four team era. Yeah. I mean, I

1015
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: one other thing that jumps out to me and looking back,

1016
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: and this is because I'm a Homer, I'll admit it.

1017
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: Penn State not getting into the playoff despite winning the

1018
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: Big Ten title.

1019
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a twenty sixteen. This is a twenty

1020
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: sixteen season.

1021
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: So this is the year where they had sort of

1022
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: their own version of the kick six and knocked off

1023
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: Ohio State at Beaver Stadium. Then they ripped off nine

1024
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: straight wins. They won the Big Ten title game. Saquon

1025
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: Barkley on Penn State trace mc sorely. I mean, this

1026
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: is in the Joe moorehead era of nitney lyon for.

1027
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: Huge comeback against Wisconsin right in the Big Ten Championships.

1028
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 1: Huge comeback. I was at my friend's apartment. We were screaming,

1029
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: pissing off the upstairs neighbor. I mean, those were the

1030
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: days for Penn State football when they had Saquon and

1031
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: they were kind of going through it, and I always

1032
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: wanted to see what that team could have done in

1033
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Of course from a Penn State grad, so

1034
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: it's easier for me to say, but Ohio State got in.

1035
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: They lost to Clemson that year. Clemson went on to

1036
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: win the title.

1037
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: Clemson beat them thirty one. Nothing killed them. That was

1038
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 2: a shutout killed him. That was also a Penn State

1039
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 2: team that won. That's the breakthrough season for James Franklin

1040
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: YEP two. Obviously Joe moorehead three. That's when we, I

1041
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: think coined the term effort go deep for Penn State

1042
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: in that game, especially where it was.

1043
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: Was it Chris Godwin?

1044
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: Who are the receivers Dayshawn Hamilton for Penn State and

1045
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: they play in a crazy memorable bowl game against USC

1046
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: in a losing effort shootout in the Rose Bowl. So

1047
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: that's the year before. Again I'm screwing up my years,

1048
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but yes, that was one of the best

1049
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 2: teams I think, because I don't think the defense is

1050
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 2: where it's been these last few years for Penn State.

1051
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: But certainly a crazy, good, entertaining Penn State team. They

1052
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 2: beat Ohio State on a block field goal. That blockfield

1053
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: goal returned, Yeah in at Penn State and happy to

1054
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: Penn State. Yeah, in a white out situation. So that

1055
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 2: was you know, there's there's a bunch of like weird

1056
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: Ohio State moments, like oh the twenty fifteen team was great,

1057
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: but they lost.

1058
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: Here.

1059
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: You know, there's a bunch of interesting Ohio State teams

1060
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: that didn't make the playoff because they were flawed in

1061
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: one very specific way. Here's what I would do as

1062
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: a disgusting homer. I would put in the twenty twenty

1063
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: three Oregon team as one of the best teams to

1064
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: not make the playoff. They finished number one in net

1065
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 2: points per drive, and that's obviously aided by their bowl

1066
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: game against Liberty, But with what they did to their schedule,

1067
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: losing to Washington the way that they did, they had

1068
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: their very specific flaw as well. But I think they

1069
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: are one of the best teams just because ancient quarterback

1070
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: full on grown up at quarterback good. You know, a

1071
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: crazy talented offense that scored a ton, a defense that

1072
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: took a major step forward and shut down some interesting offenses.

1073
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: I woul put organ in that conversation of teams who

1074
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: didn't make the playoff that were worthwhile. That's what I

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Speaker 2: would Georgia this year.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, here is what I would ask

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Speaker 1: of people who are listening to this, because this is

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00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: a little stream of consciousness, right, That's okay, that's why

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Speaker 1: we're here. That's why we're here, That's why it's the

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00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: off season, and that's what these types of conversations are

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00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: built for. If you're not writing in to complain about

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00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: the fourteen team playoff, or give us your thoughts about

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00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: the fourteen team playoff right in some way, shape or form,

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00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: and let us know best team to be left out

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00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 1: of the playoff over the last ten years and best

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00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: team to take part in the playoff over the last

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Speaker 1: ten years. Right, So really both sides of that spectrum.

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Speaker 1: Are you a twenty nineteen LSU guy or gal? I

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00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: don't know. Are you into twenty twenty three Michigan. I

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00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: suspect a segment of our base would probably make that case.

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00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: Let us know best team. I don't want to know

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Speaker 1: your top five. I don't care about your top five.

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00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: I want to know your top team, top team and

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00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: top team to get in, top team to not get in.

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Speaker 1: Soliverble at gmail dot com. You can hit us up

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00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: on social media. Let us know again what your thoughts

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00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: are on this sort of the fourteen team or whatever

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00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: your whatever your argument of choice is, we'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear it.

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Speaker 2: Can I give can I rapid fire you and you're

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00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: just gonna pick go ahead, all right, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Best performance is by a player, Oj Howard going for

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Speaker 2: two hundred plus yards, which was basically the same number

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Speaker 2: as like the ten previous games combined for him. That yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: out of complete nowhere, that's Jake Coker to Oj Howard, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for two hundred plus yards. Clemson didn't see it coming.

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Speaker 2: You also have a great on side kick in an

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00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: Alabama Clemson game. That was incredible. That's a great moment.

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00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: Uh Zeke in twenty fifteen for two hundred plus against

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Speaker 2: Oregon basically single handedly won that game with the Ohio

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00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: State offensive line. Deshaun Watson in twenty sixteen, if you

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Speaker 2: remember being helicopter just I think had seventy total It

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00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: was like fifty passes in twenty runs, just like willed

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Speaker 2: that team to a national championship. Davante Smith in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty against Ohio State. Yeah, that was ridiculous, just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: In terms of like specific moments, the Notre Dame kicker

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Speaker 2: who tied the game at three for Clinton.

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Speaker 1: Here am I picking something?

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Speaker 2: The best moment? Oh, the best moment for the best performance,

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Speaker 2: excuse me? Best performance Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson outside of Joe.

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Speaker 1: Burrow, outside of Joe Burrow, who is just a buzzsaw

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Speaker 1: right the whole season threw Okay, Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: losing a national championship and then coming back the next

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Speaker 1: year and winning a national championship, to me, it was

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Speaker 1: a pretty big moment, and it was clear that, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: we've seen what's going on with Clempson these last couple

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Speaker 1: of years. It was clear that within the system that

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Speaker 1: they put forth, you needed to have a superstar quarterback

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Speaker 1: to run that system. You needed to have people around him,

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Speaker 1: You need to have the defense and all that. You're

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Speaker 1: not going to beat Alabama without those complimentary pieces. But

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Speaker 1: what Deshaun Watson was able to do was pretty damn impressive.

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Speaker 1: In my vow. Yeah, so I go back to the

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Speaker 1: Watson years, as I guess twenty six to twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: season to me as as one of those moments in

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Speaker 1: college football war. I agree.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to offer you one more option. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it'll change your mind, but I was gonna

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Speaker 2: say the Notre Dame kicker who tied the game at

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Speaker 2: three Notre Dame Clemson before Clemson went on a twenty

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Speaker 2: seven nothing lucky to win that.

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Speaker 1: Game, thank you? Do you know his name?

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Speaker 2: For five dollars? What was that Notre Dame kicker's name.

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Speaker 1: In what year? Let's call it twenty eighteen. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the Notre Dame kicker.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, somewhere in there. When Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: loses that game thirty to three, thirty one to three,

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Speaker 2: whatever it was, but it was three all early on.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an Ian book team. Is that justin yun?

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Speaker 2: It's justin never, folks, I own time, five dollars money,

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Speaker 2: you can ven Venmo will arrive shortly. I also have

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Speaker 2: best moments, so specific plays or specific parts of games. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so you have the DeVante Smith catch to win the

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Speaker 2: national championship LSU dropping fifteen half. How about a Christian

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Speaker 2: Wilkins fake punt catch? You remember that that was pretty cool,

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Speaker 2: the Clemson punter throwing it to a defensive tackle on

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Speaker 2: a fake punt. And then I have a pick six

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Speaker 2: to win a national championship for Georgia. I think I

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Speaker 2: think the khiey Ringo moment over over DeVante Smith. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: against against Georgia Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the thing about hey Ringo picking that off

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01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: and like it was such a like neck crack moment

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Speaker 1: for Georgia. Yeah, you know what I mean. And it

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Speaker 1: was such a net crack moment frankly for a lot

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Speaker 1: of college football fans who didn't want to see Alabama win,

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Speaker 1: right that. I I think that's it for me. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the moment for me. I could be talked

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Speaker 1: off of that pedestal, but I think that's the one

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Speaker 1: for me.

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Speaker 2: Who was Here's another five dollars question. Who was the

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Speaker 2: first will Well ended on this? Who was the first

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Speaker 2: committee number one team? So we're talking about did season

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Speaker 2: rankings release and whatever? It was October November?

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Speaker 1: The very first team to be number one, the.

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Speaker 2: Very first team to be a college football playoff temporary

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Speaker 2: number one, not final rankings number one.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: It's an unusual team. It's a team that has never

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Speaker 2: made the college football playoff. Lightning in a bottle twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: I know all the years blend together. Is that Florida State.

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Speaker 2: It's not Florida State. Florida State did make the playoff

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Speaker 2: that yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right? Ah? Wow, I couldn't tell you it's.

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Speaker 2: An SEC team that has never made the playoff. Lightning

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Speaker 2: in a Bottle twenty fourteen, the Mississippi State Bulldogs DAK

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Speaker 2: Press the first college football playoff number one team four

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Speaker 2: team era number.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's end it on that good question, good

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Speaker 1: question right in you know how to get in touch

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Speaker 1: with us? Hope you appreciated this stroll down memory lane

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01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: looking at the Ford team playoff and some of the

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Speaker 1: know how to get in touch with us? We want

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Speaker 1: to get your input on all of this. Dan agree,

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Speaker 1: We will talk a little later this week. Yeah, yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime for that guy over there, my good

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Speaker 1: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty Hilton Brand, thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening to this. Here's solid verbal college football podcast.

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