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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to my favorite Murder the minisode.

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Speaker 2: We're doing a themed episode this week. Creepy neighbors. Some

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Speaker 2: of you guys need a fucking move.

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Speaker 3: My god, these are not funny stories. There's a lot

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Speaker 3: of people up on other people's porches for no reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people leaving things for you that

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Speaker 2: you did not ask for and do not want.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's get into it. Let's you want to start shirt. Okay,

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Speaker 3: that was almost like re rehearsing.

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Speaker 4: I know, and I was too smooth. We're just we're

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Speaker 4: on the road and we're just killing it.

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Speaker 1: We're just locked in.

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Speaker 2: Okay. This one's called a Virgin and a pear Tree. Hello,

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Speaker 2: MFM ladies. I have been wanting to write this in

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Speaker 2: for quite some time, but it's a long one with

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Speaker 2: a lot of twists and turns, so it's taken me

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Speaker 2: a moment to get my thoughts down in what I

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Speaker 2: hope is a cohesive manner. When I was a sophomore

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Speaker 2: in college in Alabama, I lived alone in a two

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Speaker 2: bedroom house thanks to my roommate transferring the week before

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Speaker 2: school started.

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, wow.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't in a bad neighborhood per se, but there

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Speaker 2: were some creepy apartments next door that resembled an hourly motel.

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Speaker 2: It's like everywhere in Los Angeles. Yeah, in my backyard,

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Speaker 2: my landlord had so lovingly planted a pear tree that

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Speaker 2: would cover my car in such thick sap that I

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Speaker 2: would have to hand wash my car in order to

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Speaker 1: Oh Jesus.

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Speaker 2: One afternoon, while washing my car, and neighbor from the

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Speaker 2: creepy apartments came outside to drink a beer. He started

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Speaker 2: talking to me innoscently enough in the beginning, but then

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Speaker 2: shit got weird. He began to tell me he was

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Speaker 2: a Vietnam War veteran and devoted himself to the service

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Speaker 2: and therefore had never had a wife. His problem, he

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Speaker 2: was saving himself for marriage.

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Speaker 1: Sir, that's your private business. Take it to your pastor.

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Speaker 4: Yes, this lord knows how.

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Speaker 2: Old man started talking to me about how he was

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Speaker 2: a virgin and then starts commenting on my looks. I

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Speaker 2: quickly created an excuse to get the fuck away from

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Speaker 2: this conversation and locked myself in my house because fuck politeness.

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Speaker 2: I wish I could say that's where it ends, but

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Speaker 2: it gets weirder from then on a flower pot full

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Speaker 2: of cigarette butts would magically appear every time I walked

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Speaker 2: out my front door, as if someone were watching me

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Speaker 2: go in and out of my house, just fucking chain

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Speaker 2: smoking and watching.

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Speaker 1: Her like he was standing out there watching.

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Speaker 4: I think, so, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Weird notes would be left in my mailbox, and when

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Speaker 2: I passed the virgin neighbor outside, he would ask if

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Speaker 2: I had checked my mail lately and laugh uncontrollably. The

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Speaker 2: worst was when my friend and I were sitting on

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Speaker 2: my front porch eating boozed up Italian ice and a

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Speaker 2: detective approached. At first, I thought I was about to

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Speaker 2: get in trouble for my delicious treat.

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Speaker 1: How did he know?

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Speaker 2: But I quickly lost my buzz when he told me

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Speaker 2: some girls down the street called nine one one when

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Speaker 2: they saw a weird man trying to break into my

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Speaker 1: Good for those, yeah for real.

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Speaker 2: At the end of spring semester, on the day at

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Speaker 2: my last final, I was sitting at my kitchen table

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Speaker 2: eating breakfast. The window faced the creep apartments. Into my shock.

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Speaker 2: They were quickly surrounded by SWAT teams and DEA officers.

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Speaker 2: This perked me up quicker than any cup of coffee

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Speaker 2: could and my mouth hung open as they dragged my

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Speaker 2: creepy neighbor out of his apartment in handcuffs. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: this man was running a full blown met lab in there.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure whatever happened to him, because, needless to say,

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Speaker 2: my mom was ready for me to get the fuck

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Speaker 2: out of there. I ended up transferring that summer, and

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Speaker 2: it was the best decision I ever made. Stay sexy

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Speaker 2: and don't plant that pear tree.

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Speaker 1: Aaron, So was he even a virgin? I mean, was

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Speaker 1: he lying the whole time?

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Speaker 2: Dang?

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Speaker 4: We trusted him.

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Speaker 1: We trusted that virgin.

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Speaker 2: A meth lab, Like that's so dangerous, Oh my god

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that's insane. Ooh.

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Speaker 3: And also just that idea that then she's like, yay,

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Speaker 3: I get this house to myself.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm trapped in this house.

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Speaker 2: Every time you walk out the door, there might be

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Speaker 2: something that's I've we've all done that.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's like you're being held hostage.

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Speaker 3: And just United Girls of the World calling the cops

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Speaker 3: and oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, well we're in it now,

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Speaker 3: we're in it. I'm not going to read this subject

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Speaker 3: line of this it says high MFM crew, you asked

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Speaker 3: for crazy neighbor stories, so I decided it was finally

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Speaker 3: time to write in. My sister and I used to

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Speaker 3: talk on the phone every week or so. She would

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Speaker 3: mostly chat about her pets or her spouse, and then

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Speaker 3: in parentheses it says, in that order, but a couple

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Speaker 3: of times she mentioned a particular neighbor who gave her

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Speaker 3: hell along with a strong dose of both the he bees.

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Speaker 1: And the gv's.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, it was not unusual for him to curse loudly

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Speaker 3: or yell at passers by, so naturally he was pretty

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Speaker 3: the time. And then in parentheses it says, why can't

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Speaker 3: craiky people stay indoors and yell at the TV like

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Speaker 3: normal folks. What's so funny is it reminds me of

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Speaker 3: we used to, you know, live out in the country,

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Speaker 3: so it was like country roads, and people would literally

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Speaker 3: go eighty five miles an hour. As my sister and

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Speaker 3: I are out there on her back, my father yelled

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Speaker 2: I was picturing your dad, like there was something in

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Speaker 2: your voice that was like, I'm familiar with this, this

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Speaker 3: He wasn't wrong, but I don't know how effective it was.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it was very soothing for him, though, so

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Speaker 3: On several occasions, my sister and her dogs were the

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Speaker 3: target of this yelling. This prickly grump would yell at

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Speaker 3: walking in the grass or breathing too loudly. A few

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Speaker 3: times she even saw him on the ground trimming the

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Speaker 3: guess if he's muttering to himself and not yelling at her,

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Speaker 3: it's okay. I said something to the effect of, well,

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Speaker 3: he sounds like a real delight. Then suggested it might

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Speaker 3: with his lawn scissors. We laughed, and she agreed it

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Speaker 3: would be best to avoid further confrontation and just let

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Speaker 3: the crusty old timer live out his life with his

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Speaker 3: utensils on their lawns, and I never thought about the crotchety.

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Speaker 1: Clipper again, I have a feeling I know what it is.

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Speaker 1: I think you do.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Tolly.

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Speaker 3: That is until twenty eighteen, when a massive story broke

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, someone has been arrested in my sister's old neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Wait did they just say that.

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Speaker 3: The neighbors called him cantankerous, and he was known for

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Speaker 3: swearing at people and crawling on the lawn to handcut

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Speaker 3: the edges. Holy ship. That grumpy bastard was Joseph D'Angelo.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I remember the scissor lawn scissor cutting

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Speaker 3: so wild. I scoured the articles until I found one

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Speaker 3: parentheses it says, don't docs folks, even serial killers, And

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Speaker 3: then it says Anne pulled up a map to compare

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Speaker 3: my sister's old address with this one. It was less

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Speaker 1: Holy show, So she lived.

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Speaker 3: On the same block as this guy. It sounds like

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Speaker 4: Oh oh, how fucking terrifying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my sister was not a and would probably have

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Speaker 3: genealogy caught up with her asshole of a neighbor. At

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Speaker 3: least the world knows how intensely vile this man is,

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Speaker 3: and I can only hope he gets everything he deserves.

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Speaker 3: Stay sexy and avoid the creepy neighbor.

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Speaker 2: M Oh my god, Okay, this is just called creepy neighbor.

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Speaker 4: Hi, murder friends.

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Speaker 2: I will be keeping my name out of this, but

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Speaker 2: shout out to my sister who also loved this podcast,

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Speaker 2: and then says her sister's name, and then goes on

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Speaker 2: to do a lot of details that I think I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to say the sister's name, essentially, because it's like,

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Speaker 2: if you want to be anonymous, well, this is not

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Speaker 2: the way to do it. Your sister's a very unique name.

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Speaker 2: When I was in college working on my master's degree

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Speaker 2: I saw a note had been left behind on my windshield.

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Speaker 4: It said, quote ever look.

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Speaker 2: in your tracks. Most days I see short sighted emptiness

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Speaker 4: Eyes, but not you.

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Speaker 2: Eyes are the windows to the soul, and yours runs

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Speaker 2: deep question mark. I find it very rare these days,

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Speaker 2: and I thought it was worth sharing end quote.

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Speaker 1: You're reading this note next to your car, and then

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Speaker 1: you're looking sus.

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Speaker 2: I immediately took a picture of it and sent it

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Speaker 2: to my boyfriend and was like, look at this note

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Speaker 2: with no name left on my car.

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Speaker 4: My partner said, oh, yeah, I found one on your

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Speaker 2: Week and threw it away so you wouldn't be scared, sir,

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Speaker 2: sir get it together, Like what the fuck? I, of course,

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Speaker 2: was confused, and the detective and me started to think

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Speaker 2: A few weeks later, I was walking down the stairs

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Speaker 2: blocking my exit and standing in the landing inside where

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Speaker 2: only the tenants should be It was the renter of

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Speaker 2: one of the commercial spaces below my apartment, who would

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Speaker 2: come into the restaurant with his daughters. His business was

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Speaker 2: not open to the public yet, and I didn't know him.

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Speaker 2: Besides that, he did look to be almost forty and

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Speaker 2: I was twenty two at the time.

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Speaker 4: He asked me on.

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Speaker 2: The spot if quote I ever wanted to hang out sometime.

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Speaker 2: I have plenty of wine in my unit and you

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Speaker 2: could just knock on the door. I sleep there most nights.

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Speaker 2: I said no, thank you with an awkward smile, and

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Speaker 2: left with that. Further incident. I was working that month

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Speaker 2: and got assigned to his table and told the bartender

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Speaker 2: to please take his table.

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Speaker 4: I told them what.

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Speaker 2: Happened and showed her the note and how I thought

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Speaker 4: But we ask for creeping.

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Speaker 3: The subject line says, Karen asks for a hero senior dog.

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Speaker 1: This dog caught?

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Speaker 3: Joseph to Angela, Oh my god, she said, not today

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Speaker 1: Isn't that cute?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, Like, nothing has ever made me feel more safe

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Speaker 4: She lets me know. It's priceless, like you can best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Okay, we accidentally cursed the neighbor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hello, MFM crew, I thought you might like this

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Speaker 2: story from my college days, way back during the first

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Speaker 4: Remember I found the Mini Love.

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Speaker 2: Voodoo Doll Kit. Remember the oh yeah, Mini Love Voodoo

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Speaker 2: Doll Kit. I thought it would be hilarious to give

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Speaker 2: Let's pour some seven and seven and use it, because

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Speaker 2: what harm can a Mini Love Voodoo doll really do?

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Speaker 4: We were to.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh.

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Speaker 2: why not. It had been almost a year and I

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Speaker 2: how much in today's money, which, oh, yes, six thousand.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and had to sue his bank. Then

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Speaker 2: He was actually still in the hospital recovering, which is

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: My roommate came home while I was talking to him,

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Speaker 4: She arrived right when he wrote quote it.

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Speaker 2: All started when I ended things with roommate, And I

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Speaker 1: Oh he knew.

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Speaker 4: God, that feels so good, right, Like I was an asshole.

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Speaker 1: It so rarely happened. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: We looked at each other in horror as we both

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Speaker 2: remembered the voodoo doll. It was still where we had

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Speaker 4: How did the voodoo doll have such power?

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Speaker 2: We had just thought of it as a funny thing

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Speaker 2: not that it could actually curse anyone. Do you think

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Speaker 2: we could curse Josh even accidentally without having it come

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Speaker 2: back to us.

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Speaker 4: No, we could not.

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Speaker 2: As it happened, this was shortly before Valentine's Day and

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Speaker 2: karmic backlash. I heard Josh got married a few years later,

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Speaker 2: but we have lost touch with him and most of

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Speaker 2: the friends we had back then. I talked to my

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Speaker 2: friend slash x roommate before sending this email, and we

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Speaker 2: both hope he is doing well and send him good vibes. Now,

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Speaker 2: stay sagazing and don't curse anyone even accidentally.

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Speaker 3: Jay, Wow, it's like if you had taken out the

451
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Speaker 3: voodoo doll part, would those things have happened anyway? And

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Speaker 3: then it's just kind of the focus of life or

453
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Speaker 3: just like but it does make sense where it's like

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Speaker 3: putting bad vibes in the world isn't a good idea?

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Speaker 2: No, just to try to avoid it. But when you're twenty.

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Speaker 4: That's all you do is like send bad vibes to people.

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Speaker 3: You just you have experiences, then you feel so and

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Speaker 3: then you want to change it.

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 3: All right, here's my last one. The subject line is

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Speaker 3: child of the eighties nine to eleven, trash parents, creepy neighbor.

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Speaker 3: This story has everything and it says, hello, all you're

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Speaker 3: the best.

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Speaker 1: Let's do this.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in a Saint Louis suburb that was

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Speaker 3: generally safe and quiet, but we had a neighbor across

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Speaker 3: the street that creeped out all the kids. His house

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Speaker 3: was run down, his yard was overgrown, and he had

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Speaker 3: a giant bush with bats living in.

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Speaker 1: Okay Dracula.

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Speaker 3: There were rumors among the kids on the street that

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Speaker 3: he had a giant dog living in his basement that

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Speaker 3: was trained to attack anyone that walked into his yard.

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Speaker 3: As a child of the eighties, I babysat my younger

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Speaker 3: siblings often, usually just while my mom ran.

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Speaker 1: To the store.

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Speaker 3: My parents decided that at eleven years old, I was

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Speaker 3: seasoned enough to babysit my two younger brothers, aged four

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Speaker 3: and seven, for the evening. As they went out around

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Speaker 3: nine pm. I made sure all the doors to the

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Speaker 3: house were locked, and eleven year.

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Speaker 4: Old, I don't know, though I feel okay about it.

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Speaker 1: You do maybe not?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's sixth grade. Let's see. My nephew's ten

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Speaker 4: and my other one's like five.

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Speaker 1: No girls though, girls maybe.

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Speaker 3: But then I think about like Nora back then, or

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Speaker 3: just like I would just and I'm sure my sister

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Speaker 3: was like this, where it's like you could go out

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Speaker 3: to dinner all you want, but you're just like, oh,

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Speaker 3: what's gonna happen?

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I've got that weird like between

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Speaker 2: is it okay and is it not okay?

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Speaker 4: Vibe, Like I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think you need to be at least a freshman

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Speaker 1: in high school.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thirteen, let's go thirteen thirteen, fourteen, Yeah, because I

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Speaker 3: think you have to make well, you'll see, okay.

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Speaker 4: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: Around nine pm, I made sure all the doors of

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Speaker 3: the house were locked, just that alone is so scary,

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Speaker 3: and we piled into my parents' bed. My little brothers

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Speaker 3: quickly fell asleep, but I lay awake with the TV on,

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Speaker 3: nervous to be the official adult of the house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it's too fucking young, because something could happen.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing I'm not thinking of, right, it's just

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Speaker 4: like happened.

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Speaker 3: You could for the hang It's great, yeah, absolutely right,

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Speaker 3: But then if like, oh, a small fire starts over there, now,

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Speaker 3: what do we do? Totally So, around ten o'clock I

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Speaker 3: heard banging on the front door. Oh right, this was

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Speaker 3: not normal knocking. It was pounding and banging. The banging

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Speaker 3: started at the front of the house, and then it

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Speaker 3: was moving closer to the back of the house where

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Speaker 3: we were. As it was getting louder and louder. In

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Speaker 3: my heart, I just knew it was my creepy neighbor

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Speaker 3: trying to get in to murder us. All The phone

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Speaker 3: in my parents' room was a rotary phone. Remember rotary

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Speaker 3: phones where you had to spin for each number. Let's

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Speaker 3: hold onto that magic for a moment. I missed out

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Speaker 3: my neighbor's number at least three times. Then I just

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Speaker 3: went for nine to one one. The nine one to

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Speaker 3: one operator could hear the banging over the phone, that's

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Speaker 3: how loud it was. She stayed on the line with

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Speaker 3: me as I waited for the police to come to

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Speaker 3: save us from my creepy, murderous neighbor. By this point,

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Speaker 3: my brothers had woken up and they were also terrified.

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Speaker 3: After what felt like an eternity but was probably five minutes,

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Speaker 3: the dispatcher told me that the police have arrived in

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Speaker 3: front of my house, that they were shining a spotlight

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Speaker 3: and it was my parents.

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Speaker 1: I had locked this.

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Speaker 3: I had locked the front screen door, which had no key,

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Speaker 3: and Chane locked the back door so my parents couldn't

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Speaker 3: get in. The police found my very pregnant mother sitting

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Speaker 3: on our front porch reading a newspaper. Oh well, my

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Speaker 3: dad was banging on the door and all of our

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Speaker 3: bedroom windows, thinking we're asleep and that he just needed

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Speaker 3: to wake us up.

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Speaker 1: Beause waking up your.

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Speaker 3: Young children by pounding on all their windows is a

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Speaker 3: super great idea.

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Speaker 4: Tell their names.

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Speaker 1: It's dad, Yeah, Hey, hey, hey, hey guys, hey, it's.

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Speaker 4: Your friendly neighborhood dad. Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I was so embarrassed that I made my seven year

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Speaker 3: old brother go unlock the door to let my parents in.

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Speaker 3: They thought this was hilarious and told me that I

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Speaker 3: did the right thing by calling nine one of us, because.

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Speaker 4: If she got in trouble, it was gonna be fucking furious.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 4: It's like you.

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Speaker 1: You did this.

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Speaker 3: This event did not stop my parents from using me

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Speaker 3: as their free babysitter for many years to come, stay

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Speaker 3: sexy and don't call nine one one on your parents

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Speaker 3: when you're the one who locked them out.

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Speaker 1: Natalie.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I want people to email us about how old

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Speaker 2: is okay to babysit? Yes, And I want parents of

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Speaker 2: young kids now to tell me why they would never

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Speaker 2: leave their fucking child alone to babysit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, talk to us about how you're breaking the generational

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Speaker 3: curse of you babysitting your three year old brother when

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Speaker 3: you were nine by now not letting your seventeen year.

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Speaker 1: Old upay the house without location service.

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Speaker 2: I think we got an infant with my friend a

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Speaker 2: neighbor when I was like eleven.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, an infant.

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Speaker 3: Yes, my baby sat an infant and fell asleep on

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Speaker 3: the couch because I had to get up at like

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Speaker 3: seven in the morning to go. It was like a

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Speaker 3: summer job, and it was like a two year old

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Speaker 3: that was just sitting there playing with stuff and I

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Speaker 3: was watching, and then I just went like that and

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Speaker 3: then like woke up. Yeah, so like high pressure, but

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Speaker 3: at the same time, you just don't get what this

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Speaker 3: is the consequences totally.

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Speaker 4: I want to hear about floods. I want to hear

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Speaker 4: about fires.

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Speaker 2: Why did you never get to babysit again? Ooh, yes,

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Speaker 2: we'll still cover these, it's not too late.

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Speaker 3: No, we have to creepy neighbors can go on for

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Speaker 3: he for sure and stay sexy and don't get murdered.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, Elvis, Do you want a cookie?

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 2: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Tessa Hughes.

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Speaker 1: Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo.

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Speaker 4: This episode was mixed by Leona Scuolacci.

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