1 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Welcome to the State of the Lakers podcast. Happy Friday, everybody. 2 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: We're gonna be discussing Game four, Sons, Bucks, We're gonna 3 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: be discussing the Dame Lillard pending trade requests. And then, 4 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: depending on whether or not we have time, we're gonna 5 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: we have a hard stop today at nine oh five. 6 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: But depending on whether or not we have time, we 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: might do the uh, we might do the uh montraise comments, 8 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: and just kind of the general attitude surrounding a lot 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: of the Lakers free agents. Um depend Like I said, 10 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: if we have time at the end, Roger, how you 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: do it? On this Friday morning? Man doing great, Man, 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: Another beautiful morning. I'm excited to see Space Jam too tonight, 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: although I feel like half the people saw it already. 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: But I don't remember anything about the first one, to 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: be honest, I just remember Jordan's kind of um his 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: longhand trying to dunk um, what do you think? Do 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: you think I have to see the first one again 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: to enjoy the second one? What do you think? Not 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: at all? And you know what, I'm so like, so 20 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: movie critics in general suck because I swear they don't 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: watch movies the way normal people watch movies when I 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: when I go to look at Rotten Tomatoes, now, I 23 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: look at what the fans think or like the public 24 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: in their percentage, because that's that's guys like you and me, 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: that's the way we watch movies. Whereas critics are so 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: you know, they're so used to, you know, liking the 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: smell of their own farts, that they can't they can't 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: just enjoy a movie. Um. But anyway, this is literally 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: a Loony Tunes movie. It is a children's movie, and 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: you've got grown men talking about Lebron's acting and stuff 31 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: like that. It's just it's just not a topic I'm 32 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: interested in. Oh no, for sure, they're calling it a 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: lot of propaganda already. I'm like, man, just enjoyed the movie. 34 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: Enjoy the movie. It's supposed to be fun. That's what 35 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: it's for. Supposed to be fun. Oh man, all right. Well, So, 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: as Roger and I were discussing before we started the show, 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: I started with the fifth dollar bet on game one, 38 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: and I turned that two hundred, and then I turned 39 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: into two hundred, and then I turned it into four 40 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: hundred because I hit every single game. Well, I rolled 41 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: all of it into the Sun's money line and almost 42 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: got rich, but no, I did not get rich. So 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks one. And you know what, dude, this is. 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: This is the first thing I'm gonna say. As the 45 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: game was unfolding, even as Phoenix had the lead, I 46 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: just I knew Milwaukee was gonna come back. And you know, 47 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: in pickup games, it's about shot results, you know, because 48 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: they're shortened, right, So a couple of guys get hot, 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: make a couple threes, you lose. But in a forty 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: eight minute basketball game, it's more about shot quality. Are 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: you getting better shots than the other team, because regardless 52 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: of what the scoreboard says, usually over forty eight minutes, 53 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: the team that gets better shots is gonna win because 54 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: they'll eventually start going in. And even though Phoenix had 55 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: leads in that game, it was Devin Booker making incredibly 56 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: tough shots. It had nothing to do with the shot quality. 57 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: And then guess what. Down the stretch of the game, 58 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: Chris Middleton was getting really nice, easy in rhythm pull 59 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: up fifteen footers and the Sons were clawing tooth and 60 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: nail to get crazy difficult shots and they weren't going in. 61 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: And so I wasn't surprised at all that the game 62 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 1: ended the way it did. Um, was that kind of 63 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: the way that you interpreted that as well? Uh? Well, 64 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: Like when Phoenix went up nine, I thought they kind 65 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: of had it. I think Cameron Paine had like a 66 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: huge three he got to and one on a drive. UM, 67 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: I really thought they were gonna take it. Chris Paul 68 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: was struggling all night. He wasn't even shooting because of 69 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: the way that Milwaukee was defending. But once Devin Booken 70 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: went out, I think he got his like fifth Bowl 71 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: or something like that. He went out of the game. 72 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: I thought Chris Paul would kind of take over, get 73 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: to his spots, and he just missed, like shots that 74 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: he should be able to take, should be able to make. 75 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: He wasn't taking advantage. And Dean dre Atan man like 76 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: he has to be better in my opinion, Like that 77 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: was the game to me. Nine shots, three for nine, 78 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: no free throws. UM played forty minutes and Milwaukee went 79 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: small pretty much the whole night. UM, And then again 80 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: Janna's and fourteen even on a bad night. Middleton, I 81 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like those shots are the shots 82 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: Milton gets anyway, Um, he gets some he doesn't hit him. 83 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Is he gonna hit him on the road, I'm not sure, 84 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: but again forty points him and Devin Book had a 85 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: nice back and forth. I thought that was really fun. Um, 86 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: they had like a mid range kind of battle. I thought, 87 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: I thought Phoenix gonna take him. Maam, I thought, Um, 88 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: I really thought they did. Milton hit tough shots like 89 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: driving left raising fade away, so I thought he was 90 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: gonna take it. I really did. But the series is 91 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: tied now, Man, this series of time. That's interesting that 92 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: we had a different feel on that because the Milwaukee 93 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: comeback just kind of felt inevitable to me. Um, But 94 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: that's that. That's that's part of the fun of of 95 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: of watching basketball is two people can watch it and 96 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: kind of see a different thing. You know, Janice had 97 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: one of the most dominant defensive performances I've ever seen. 98 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: You know what it reminded me of was the All 99 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: Star Game two years ago, Um, when he had that 100 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: block on Lebron's one legged fade away and then blocked 101 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: him at the rim on play where Lebron had him 102 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: completely beat to the basket. Janice has this ability when 103 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: he really turns it on defensively where he's frightening and 104 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: there's really nothing anybody can do. I mean, the one 105 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: legged fade away is one of the most indefensible shots 106 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: in all of basketball, and a six nine guy tried 107 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: one on on Janice in that All Star Game and 108 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: got blocked. Like he just is he's He's transcendently good defensively. 109 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: And you know, it was interesting because he was such 110 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: a non factor offensively at the end of that game, 111 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: it was all Middleton, Drew holiday in. Janice had nothing 112 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: going and eighton got called for a couple of of 113 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: kind of jankie fouls early in the game. But the 114 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: one thing he did well in that game, and in 115 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: a game that he was generally bad, he defended Janice 116 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: well down the stretch and forced him into some tough shots. 117 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: But I have to I have to say, like, and 118 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: I mean, the people have talked about the block to death, 119 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: that was just that. What an incredible performance to to 120 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: have nothing going offensively and to still have such a 121 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: massive impact on the game defensively, because literally they can't 122 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: run a play within fifteen feet of you without you're raising. 123 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. And I thought Devin Booker made the right 124 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: play there, Like, that's the correct play to do you 125 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: come off that little screen action and then Janice is 126 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: helping on Devin Booker and then he sees that Janice 127 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: comes over to help and he throws that law I 128 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: thought pretty perfectly. Janice just gets it at like the 129 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: apex of it. Um, that was an amazing play. He 130 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: was awesome all night. What do you think I thought 131 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: the Janna is kind of at the five switching everything 132 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: is really like, I don't think it's a coincidence that 133 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: Chris Paul is starting to play worse and worse as 134 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: the Bucks continue to play more small and small. Um 135 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: like his I think he's scoring Milwaukee is way down 136 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: from when he was in Phoenix. Um, they're really switching everything. 137 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: Devin book is hitting tough shots. Um, Where do you 138 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: think Chris Paul can kind of get better shots here? 139 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: Because I feel like he's kind of lost, Like this 140 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: is a guy who's a generational point guard and he 141 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: looks absolutely unsure what to do where to go with this? Um? 142 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: To me, it's eight and has to be better to 143 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: kind of open things up for Chris Paul. What do 144 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: you see like for him gets to get better shots 145 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: in this series. So for first of all, Drew Holiday 146 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: deserves credit because you know, I told you like early 147 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: in the series that I didn't really see him as 148 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: capable of having much of an offensive impact. He just 149 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: got uncharacteristically hot from three in Game three. Other than that, 150 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: he can't really generate quality shots, and he actually won 151 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: them that game with there with his defense and honestly, 152 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: man like, if there's one criticism to throw at Drew, 153 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: it's just that he needs to shoot less, because if 154 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: he can take Chris Paul out of the game and 155 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: and have a smaller offensive role, he's actually going to 156 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: have a better impact on on Milwaukee's ability to win 157 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: the game. So with Chris Paul, here's the thing. This 158 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: is something I've talked about with you many times in 159 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: the past, Like this is something I get made fun 160 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: of for a lot of times because I've I've brought 161 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: it up in the past. But physical tools matter when 162 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: you get into these super physical games, when things get 163 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: outrageously physical and the refs are swallowing their whistles, you 164 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: it helps to be Chris Middleton's six ft eight and 165 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: able to shoot over the top Like this is not 166 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: it's so I tweeted yesterday that I thought that officiating 167 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: was going to play a big part in this series 168 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: moving forward, because Milwaukee is the bigger, stronger team at 169 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: least on the perimeter. Aton is huge, Aten's a beast, 170 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: but outside of DeAndre Ayton, the like, there was a 171 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: moment in that fourth quarter where I'm looking at the 172 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: lineup and I'm like, I'm like, that's campaign this. I 173 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: think Chris Paul was out at this point, but it 174 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: was like Chris Paul Campaign, Michael Bridges and Cam Johnson, 175 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's a thin, uh parameter core. That's 176 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: a thin group of guys. And meanwhile, Drew Holidays built 177 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: like a truck, so is Janice and and they're they're 178 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: just They're just a big, big, physical perimeter lineup. And 179 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: so I it's like, if the refs are gonna let 180 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: them be really physical at the point of attack with Chris, 181 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: he's just not gonna get quality shots, you know, Like 182 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: the Drew Holiday has this uncanny ability to fight over 183 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: those rolls like that, Like he just sidles up above 184 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: the screen and just bumps Chris a little bit further 185 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: out and just gets over the top of it. So 186 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: pick and rolls, not freeing up Chris. Even when he 187 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: gets a little bit of separation on the pick and 188 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: roll Yannice is right on or not nice. Drew his 189 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: right on his back, and then Janice is just a 190 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: freak and drop coverage because he can guard the ball 191 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: and turn around and block shots at the rim like 192 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable. I don't if the refs continue to 193 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: let Drew be that physical at the point of attack. 194 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: There's nothing Chris Paul can do because he's just not 195 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: athletic enough or big enough to get separation. But if 196 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: he starts getting some calls, which at home he very 197 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: well might, then that might be enough to get Chris 198 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: Paul going. Yeah. And Drew's also picking up like full core. 199 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: He's like having laid his body on him. Um all night. 200 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: We talked about I think after a game two I 201 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: forgot which game it was, where like they were just 202 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: letting um, Chris Paul get the switch way too easy, 203 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: and now Drew's like fighting over every single time. And 204 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: you're right, they're letting them be more physical. Eating is 205 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: catching it like I think it's like a foot pass 206 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: where he would like to in the paint, like where 207 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: he's comfortable. He has a little jump book. I thought 208 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: he settled a few times, but he has to punish 209 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: to me those like when they switched through Holiday on 210 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: Eighten p J. Tucker on eight and like, I think 211 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: that's where he has to punish him with the offensive 212 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: rebounds too. I just don't think you can allow um 213 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: the Bucks to play this small right, like play honest 214 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: at the five without the consequences of playing honest at 215 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: the five and credit to coach Bud like he's really 216 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: short in that rotation. But you're right, Pat Connaton, Bobby Porters, 217 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: those are big dudes that Chris Paul is like really 218 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: trying to attack in isolation. If it's not him, it's 219 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: just Devin Booker. What had an amazing night by the 220 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: way to um what he had like forty I think 221 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: as well, and they defended him well shots all night 222 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: long he did. Yeah, yeah, he's coming off those screens, 223 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: just firing. Um. I thought he got a little tired 224 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: at the end there, um And I thought Chris Paul 225 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: would try to take over um little late, a little 226 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: too late, but Middleton kind of saved the day there. 227 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: What what do you think about that foul, letting, letting 228 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: that foul go. I feel like you haven't get interesting 229 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: take on that. Yeah, I don't care. So first of all, 230 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: first of all, like we we can't complain about refs 231 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: stealing the show and then also complain when they swallow 232 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: their whistle on purpose so that they don't steal the show. 233 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: Like who do you want to what do you want 234 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: to know? Do you want to know if the Sons 235 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: in the Bucks, you know who's gonna win with all 236 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: their players or with Devin Booker sitting on the bench 237 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: with six fouls? You want to you want the Bucks 238 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: to beat the Suns with Devin Booker out there, so 239 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: that you can know who the actual better team is. 240 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: And I shared this morning, uh at four o'clock when 241 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: I woke up. If you look at my twitter feed, 242 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: I shared the the uh, the foul early in the 243 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: game where Drew Holiday jumped up into him and elbowed 244 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: him in the face. And like, don't get me wrong, 245 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it should have been an offensive foul, 246 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: but it shouldn't have been anything that should have been 247 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: a no call that And I I haven't gone back 248 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: to look over the tape, but I remember there being 249 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: a couple of kind of nit picky fouls that the 250 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: uh the rebounding foul on on p J. Tucker where 251 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: he kind of chucked him out of bounds, a couple 252 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: of things. First of all, as the ref show some describe, 253 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: the ball didn't go anywhere near them. It had no 254 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: impact on the play. Shouldn't have been a call. Second 255 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: of all, it's game four of the Finals. It's been 256 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: one of the most physical games I've ever seen, and 257 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: p J. Tucker's running in to go get the offensive rebound. 258 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: Let them, let them bump and chuck each other, and 259 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: and and and box each other out. It's a physical 260 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: game like it just it bothered me because of course 261 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: it was a foul and Drew Holiday and it was just, 262 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: of course, it was a dumb play from Devin Booker 263 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: to do that when he knew knew he had five fouls. 264 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: But independent of all of that, I'm okay with the 265 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: fact that the guy with the whistle was like, I 266 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: don't want to take Devin Booker out of Game four 267 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: of the NBA Finals when he's got forty points. Like 268 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: to me that that was an obvious judgment call, and 269 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: I would hope that every ref in the NBA would 270 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: have done the same thing, especially since he saw the 271 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: he saw the guy trailing and the and and had 272 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: who had the offensive rebound putback. He might very well 273 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: have been sitting there going like, if they get a 274 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: stop here, I'm just gonna do late whistle foul on 275 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: Devin Booker. You know that kind of deal. Yeah, that's 276 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: kind of how I how I saw it to That 277 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: was fine with it. A lot of people. A lot 278 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: of people would say, like, I guess that is Devin 279 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: Booker deciding the game by like doing that stupid play, 280 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: But I like the discretion there, like with contest. Yes, 281 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: if that was another player, that probably is a foul, 282 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: but that's Devin Booker. Like there's a reason why that 283 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: that play wasn't called. So so I'm fine with that, 284 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: um not being a foul, I guess um, but but 285 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: we'll see. He he had like two bad files to 286 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: be honest, going late there. Um, he could have filed 287 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: out twice. But I'm glad they kind of let that go, 288 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: let the game kind of finish. You're right, Janice was 289 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: trailing to play anyway. Um, that's where like it's so 290 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: weird the game is so physical, but yet like those 291 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: eight and foules were really confusing to me. It felt 292 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: like Janice was just driving into his chest and he 293 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: got like two of those that he kind of passed 294 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: out of. So it's it's funny. Do you do you 295 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: think like that will switch when they go to Phoenix, 296 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: Like they'll kind of Phoenix will get a little bit 297 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: more physical. I'm kind of interesting how they react to 298 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: this because it feels like Milwaukee's figuring stuff out. Um. 299 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: That's why I thought last night was so important. Like 300 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: the longer the series goes, it's kind of edging towards 301 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: Milwaukee here, who's like really figuring out what they're doing. Um. 302 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: As soon as Bud kind of stops the jefteen minutes, UM, 303 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: I feel like they can they can get even better. 304 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: But what do you think going into Phoenix for game 305 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: game five? So I tweeted this out two days ago. 306 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: I believe or nose yesterday. But like I, I genuinely 307 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: think officiating is going to be the biggest, uh, one 308 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: of the biggest swing factors moving forward, because, like you said, 309 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: if Janice is gonna lower his shoulder and try to 310 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: run DeAndre and over and get get get two free 311 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: throws out of it while at the while on the 312 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: other end, Drew Holiday and Pat Connaughton and p J. 313 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: Tucker are allowed to have their hands on ball handlers, which, 314 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: for the record, I don't think is uh any sort 315 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: of unfair type of of angle from the refs. I 316 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: think it's just home court, home court reffing. My guess 317 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: is that Phoenix is gonna get more calls in Game 318 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: five and in Game seven because refs have a tendency 319 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: to subconsciously play to the home crowd. That's it's There's 320 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: been studies done on that actually, and it's a subconscious thing. Now. 321 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: As far as the long term wear and tear, Chris 322 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: Paul had two days off before that game. He didn't 323 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: He didn't have trouble scoring on Drew Holiday because of 324 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: the uh like like a progressive fatigue. That's not what 325 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: it was. What it was is home court whistle, letting 326 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: Drew be more physical. Also, as something that you and 327 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: I have talked about at length, any sort of repetitive 328 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: action that advance is an advantage to the defender. That 329 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: to me is one of the main reasons why players 330 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: are UH their efficiency tanks at the end of series 331 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: and at the end of games, because if I'm guarding you, 332 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: you might get me with moves early in the game 333 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: that aren't going to get as much separation late in 334 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: the game, And the same thing goes as the series progresses. 335 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: At this point, Drew Holiday knows all of Chris Paul's 336 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: little ticks and little trends and little tendencies at this 337 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: point because he's been playing with him for two hundred minutes, 338 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, So I think as the series progress is 339 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be harder for Chris Paul to get clean 340 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: looks unless he starts getting calls to where Drew Holiday 341 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: has to give him more space and can't use his 342 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: hands as much. That could be the thing that kind 343 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: of that kind of swings it. But again, Phoenix is 344 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: at home in game five, They're probably gonna get a 345 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: little bit more beneficial whistle. All I gotta do is 346 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: win that game, and then there you go back to Milwaukee, 347 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: where you know, I think we can safely say that 348 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: the Phoenix appears to be the slightly better team, just slightly, 349 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: because they won handily at home and then they lost 350 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: a really close game in game four. You know, it's 351 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: like clear, Phoenix win, Clear, Phoenix win Clear, Milwaukee win 352 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: Rock Fight where Milwaukee barely won, so they got home 353 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: court advantage. A couple of things go their way, I 354 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: would give them, I would make them very slight favorites 355 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: at this point, which is what Vegas has. I think 356 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: they have the Bucks that plus plus one or something 357 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: like that, so a very slight underdog right now. Yeah, 358 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: I was listening to like the Little I agree with you. 359 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: I still have you next win this series. But they 360 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: need better shot quality, Like I was listening to the 361 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: low Post. They said six percent of their shots came 362 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: from the mid range, and I think like fifteen or 363 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: came from three. It's like nothing at the rim. So 364 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: Milwaukee has pretty much shrunk the floor to where everything 365 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: is isolation and everything is a mid range kind of 366 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: contested pull up. I don't think you're beating the Bucks 367 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: that way. Like I feel like that they have to 368 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: get their ball. Remember they were such like a beautiful 369 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: ball movement team. The gal gets into eid and kicks 370 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: out corner corner and corner bridge corner three for Bridges, 371 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: corner three for jay Crowder. All that's gone, like all 372 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: the three point all that like beautiful wide open shots 373 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: are all gone. Maybe that's part of it, Like, like 374 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: you said, you kind of realized people's plays as the 375 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: series goes on. Um they run that double kind of 376 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: drag screen a lot, and it feels like that's been 377 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: kind of schemed out, like they understand exactly how they 378 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: want to defend it. And again it's like with the 379 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: Honest at the five, all those guys are a lot 380 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: more mobile. Chris Paul can't just pick on brook Lopez anymore, 381 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: which I think both of us thought was clear from 382 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: game one, so like, but now doing this in game three, 383 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: game four, I thought that was pretty clear. But that's 384 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: the main thing to me is like, are do where 385 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: do Sphenis get better shots? Because there's no Chris Paul Camp. 386 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna beat pack content body Bobby Portis 387 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: a few times, but like that, those aren't good shots 388 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: to me and Brookly I mean, sorry, Devin Booker, those 389 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: are tough shots as well. I'm just wondering, like their 390 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: shot selection has to be better. I trust Monty to 391 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: kind of figure that out, but to me, it's on 392 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: eight and getting eight and being a force inside. They 393 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: have to get stuff at the rim um, they're like 394 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: Chris Milton as well doesn't get to the basket, but 395 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: that's kind of his game. Phoenix is built around this 396 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: rim attack that can like get out to their shooters. 397 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm wondering where they go here to 398 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: get better shots. With the way Milwaukee is defending, you 399 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: have to draw that third defender in right. That's the 400 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: problem is like you're you know, Drew Holiday is so 401 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: effective on Chris Paul right now that they really don't 402 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: have to bring any help. And Chris Paul's has to 403 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: call the screen every time to get any separation. So 404 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: as long as they can play two on two in 405 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: that pick and roll, as long as they can play 406 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: two on two in that pick and roll, the Milwaukee 407 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: doesn't have to send those three other defenders too far 408 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: into the paint. So Phoenix isn't getting any quality shots 409 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: out of Chris Paul and then Devin Booker. It's all isolations. 410 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: So like even when, uh, even when Devin Booker gets 411 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: a good matchup, like you know, he got a couple 412 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: of shots or a couple of possessions, it gets against 413 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: Pat Connaughton and it's like, Okay, this is the weak 414 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: link right, So you got you got Drew and p 415 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: J and Janice and and Chris Middleton off the ball 416 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: and Devin Bookers on an island with Pat Connatton. Well, 417 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: Devin Booker is not getting good enough shots on Pat 418 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: Conatton that they need to send help. Pat Connaton is 419 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: doing a good job of making him shoot over the top. 420 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: And if you're Milwaukee, you're not gonna overreact to Devin 421 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: Booker making those crazy tough turnarounds. If he beats you 422 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: like dad, he beats you like that. And guess what 423 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: last or two nights ago wasn't enough. And so that 424 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: that's kind of the thing. It's like in order to 425 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: like this is the This is the lebron and a 426 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: d factor that is so important when it gets into 427 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: these types of off series, come come, hell or high water, 428 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna draw other defenders because if you let them 429 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: on an island, it's not crazy fadeaways, it's physical dominance 430 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: at the rim. It's like with the Honest, if you 431 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: put your Honest on an island with these guys, he's 432 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: probably gonna score. So you have to send extra defenders, 433 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: which is a cascading effect that leads to better shot quality. 434 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, if your team is getting better 435 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: shot quality, probably unless you have some crazy all time 436 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: Kobe ask forty eight point blow up, the team that's 437 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: getting the better shots is going to eventually get hot 438 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: and pull away and and and that's and that's what 439 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: happened with Milwaukee. So I don't know, Like like Bookers 440 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: not getting good enough shots to draw double teams right now, 441 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: and Chris Paul literally can't get separation from Drew Holiday, 442 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: So honest to god, I don't know what you do. 443 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what you do except for hope that 444 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: the whistle gets a little tighter to where your guards 445 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: are getting better shot because the defenders have to give 446 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: more space and be less handsy. Yeah, well, to me, 447 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: all roads lead back to eight and like he's the guy. 448 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: He's a seven foot dude playing against a team that's 449 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: going night. Yeah, Brook Lopez had eighteen minutes, which mean 450 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: the rest of that is just all small, right, They 451 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: have no other backup center that's really a sizeable center. 452 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: It's all you, honest, and they're pretty much switching. So you, 453 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: honest is ending up on Chris Paul ending up to 454 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: have a book or a bunch of possessions here, Aidan 455 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: has to dominate like he can't. He he's not a 456 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: great passer, but he has to make better reads to Um, 457 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: they're kind of digging in and coming out. Um, they're 458 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: forcing mckel bridges to take dribble in mid range. Two 459 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: is Jake Crowd was taking contested threes. He got a 460 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: few foul calls which I thought weren't really foul when 461 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: p J. Tucker kind of contested him at three point 462 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: line when he falls down. Um, we're very familiar with that. 463 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: But but yeah, but I feel like Aten kind of 464 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: he's the key here. No free throws three for nine 465 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: That just can't happen in forty minutes for me. For 466 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: m he's too big, too physical, too skilled to like 467 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: allow him to just push him off the block that easy. 468 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: P J Tuck and Drew Holiday a strong dude, but 469 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: still you gotta be able to get to your spot, 470 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: jump hook whatever. He was like diving on on lane 471 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: dunking in Phoenix like Game one A game two he 472 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: was getting like roaring dunks like Crowd, kind of uplifting 473 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: stuff and right now nothing at the basket. Everything's a 474 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: mid reason, little jump hook everything. Stuff that they'll live 475 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: with so all roads lead back to him. To me, 476 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: if Chris Paul can't get separation room Drew Devin Booker 477 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: taking these type of shots, it's it's Aton who has 478 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: to be the third best player here. That's really interesting. 479 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: Rog And and I think I agree with you because 480 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, he got physically dominated a little bit in 481 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: that game, which is unusual. He's been better, He's been 482 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: better in this postseason than he's ever been in his 483 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: time in Phoenix. And he had a little moment where 484 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: he got a block on Bobby Portis where he kind 485 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: of got emotional and kind of screamed at the station, 486 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: like you could tell it's in there that he knows 487 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: that he needs to be better. He just needs to 488 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: do it. There's there was a clip h during the 489 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: game of Monty Williams in the in the huddle basically 490 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: telling that basically saying like, you're playing hard right now, 491 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: but you're not playing hard enough. And and and because 492 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: the truth was as Milwaukee was playing harder and more 493 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: physical in that game. Then after the game, like god, 494 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: I can't remember what the exact line was, but Monty 495 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: said again in the postgame locker of something to the 496 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: effect of like what you want is there for the taking, 497 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to play harder than you've ever 498 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: played in your life. Like I think you said the 499 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: quote was what you want is on the other side 500 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: of hard, meaning like what you think you gotta do, 501 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: there's a whole other level to where you need to go. 502 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: So it's clear that Monty is really hammering home with 503 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: them the fact that hey, you're smaller, you're thinner, so 504 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to make up for that with effort 505 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: because if you match effort with them, they're going to 506 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: physically dominate you because Milwaukee's bigger and stronger and so 507 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: on and so forth. And that'll be the interesting thing 508 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: moving forward. And and to your point, Aton is where 509 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: that starts. Eighton being more physically dominant will trickle down 510 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: the red to the roster and compensate for some of 511 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: their thinness on the perimeter. Like I I don't know, 512 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: man like, like Michail Bridges wasn't very good in that game, 513 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: and I didn't think he did a very good job 514 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: on Chris and and honestly, man, some of the shots 515 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: Chris missed in that game were really good looks. There 516 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: were got He had like two or three wide open 517 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: fifteen footers at the start of the fourth quarter when 518 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: Phoenix was up like nine, where I was like, man like, 519 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: if he keeps getting that shot, like it's gonna start 520 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: going in and and and so everybody just has to 521 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: be better in the same way that Drew Holiday is 522 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: trending towards being more physically imposing on Chris, those Phoenix 523 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: swings have to trend towards being more physically imposing on 524 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: on on Chris Middleton and and and have that kind 525 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: of kind of swing back into their favor at the 526 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: end of the series. Do you have any other thoughts 527 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: on this series before we move on, Yeah, just a 528 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: couple of doing quick things. On eight and he had 529 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: like seventeen rebounds, but one was offensive, So to me, like, 530 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: that's like that number looks awesome. And against seventeen rebounds 531 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: and seventy rebounds, just when you get one offensive rebound, 532 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: it's they're showing your force on the boards. To me, 533 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: everything there's a defensive rebound. And mckill bridges, I thought 534 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: Milwaukee found something. Um they were just like they were 535 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: starting Chris in the corner. Then he would come up 536 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: off of two screens to a dribble handoff with Your Honest, 537 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: and that basically puts at in this like no man's 538 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: land where now he has to cover you know, the 539 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: Honest rolling and Middleton coming off this screen, and it 540 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: also takes away with mckill Bridges is really good at right. 541 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: Mckill bridges a super long, crazy wingstand, but he's crazy skinny. 542 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: So him going through two screens, he's already like behind 543 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: the play. He's still on like the first screen, and 544 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: him and Aiden keep having this miscommunication. I feel like 545 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 1: that's something Phoenix really has to clean up because they 546 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: went to that down the stretch. Every single time they 547 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: stopped this just Your Honest at the top trying to attack, 548 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: going through Aten's chest, they went dribble hand off. Chris Milton, 549 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: he got to his spots. Whether he makes him in Phoenix, 550 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but those are great shots for him. Um. 551 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: I wondered if they stop trapping and all that, But 552 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting to see Milwaukee figure 553 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: that out, like to how to get him going Credit 554 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: to coach, but I guess they're forgetting him going to 555 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: get him going there. Um, that's kind of a pet play. 556 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: I saw them run that. I think they really figured out. 557 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see how they defend that as 558 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: well going forward. Um, how they if they just live 559 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: with Chris Milton taking those jumpers because he's not getting 560 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: to the rim. Still he got eight free throws, right, yeah, 561 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: but like it's six of those I think for like 562 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: at the end of the game or something. So still 563 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: he's not getting to the rim. Um, he's not getting 564 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: to the line, he's not playmaking. So it's all still 565 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: on these jumpers that as you talked about. Since he's 566 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: a jumptioning guy, he has the it can. He has 567 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: a tendency to have up and down games. So I mean, 568 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: if they he was up, and I'm interesting to see 569 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: if they adjust you. That's really interesting, rog And you know, uh, 570 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: generally speaking, it's kind of like a common it's common 571 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: knowledge in the basketball community that larger players that are 572 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: taller and lankier have trouble fighting through screens. That's like 573 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: a players that are smaller with a small center of 574 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: gravity do much better, Like a p. J. Tucker is 575 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: going to be better chasing guys off of screens than 576 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 1: Lebron because Lebron is a little bit too upright, and 577 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: that's a common way that teams attack Lebron is trying 578 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: to get him to run through screens. He's just too big. 579 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: It's it's too easy for him to get caught on it. 580 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: We talked earlier about Drew holiday in his ability to 581 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: run over screens. Um, when I played in college, most 582 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: of the best UH defenders that I knew that played 583 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: off of screens that chased shooters around or short stocky guys, 584 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: they just they have this uncanny ability to kind of 585 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: navigate those crazy screens. And you're right, like mcaial Bridges 586 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: got caught way too much on those screens and gave 587 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: Chris Middleton way too much space and let him get 588 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: way too comfortable. That was a good call out on 589 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: your part. Um anything else, I think that's it. Yeah, 590 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: interested to see game five? All right, we got fourteen minutes, 591 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: so let's talk Dame. So this this is all kind 592 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: of new and fresh to me. In terms of the 593 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: the the the imminent nature of the trade request. Everyone 594 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: seemed to just assume it was going to happen. I 595 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: was kind of more like Portland's has they got him 596 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: under contract for three more years? Uh? They just hired 597 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: a new coach, they'll probably make a trade on the periphery. 598 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: I I didn't necessarily think it was gonna happen, But 599 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like Dame has built 600 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: up so much good equity with that franchise as someone 601 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: who has year in and year out given them his 602 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: best and been such a great leader that if he 603 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: actually asks for a trade, I believe that Portland's would 604 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: capitulate to his demand just out of good business, Like, 605 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: ah like, uh, you know what, Dame, if this is 606 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: what you want, will do this for you kind of 607 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: I I and and so it seems like we're headed 608 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: that way. Um, So what was your initial initial, uh 609 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: like kind of impression on what you saw today? Yeah, 610 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: I kind of fight back and forth because we're in 611 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: a new NBA where like stars kind of do pick 612 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: their their team now, right Like James Harden said, I 613 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: want to go to the nets and he ended up 614 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: there a d with the Lakers. You can go down 615 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: the line a bunch of stars that kind of pick 616 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: their team. But also Dame is under contract for four 617 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: more years, so this season plus three more, that's a 618 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: ton that's a ton of leverage for the team. Um, 619 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: and I feel like teams would throw a bunch of 620 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: whatever assets or whatever picks for Dame. So it's really 621 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: interesting on the teams that have kind of uh it 622 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: hasn't been official, but it's like the Lakers, Warriors, and Nicks, which, um, 623 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: I feel like one of those two isn't like the other. 624 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: But it's but I have no idea, Like it's so weird. 625 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: Dame has kind of build his brand kind of on this, 626 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: like I don't want to go anywhere. I want to 627 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: build it myself. Um So it's just a switch. Maybe 628 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: the like, uh, he got the backlash for the bill 629 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: up stuff and all that stuff, so and the team 630 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: got kind of some backlash for that. Maybe that's so 631 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons that he can kind of 632 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: push out. I have no idea, but him being with team, 633 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: You'll say, I don't know if that helps a little bit. 634 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: He's away from the situation, he can kind of request 635 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: his trade and uh, it feels a little different than 636 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: being you know, on the team having to deal with that. So, 637 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: so where do you think what do you think this 638 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: goes from here? Do you think like it eventually becomes 639 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: like a full on trade request official. Yeah, I would 640 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,959 Speaker 1: assume we're trending in that direction just based on the intel. 641 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: I think it makes sense for Dame. You know, Dane, 642 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: this is why it's always better to let other people 643 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: do the talking for you when it comes to this 644 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: type of stuff like uh, as a star in the 645 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: n b A if it's better for you to plan 646 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: your exit behind the scenes than to do what Dame did, 647 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: which is basically outwardly say in trash talk to the Clippers, 648 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm mr loyal, stay in one place. I don't want 649 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: to take the easy road. Blah blah blah blah blah. 650 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: You know, well, well, dude, had you let us say 651 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: that on your behalf, then it would have been fine 652 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: for you to leave. But now you've realized that your 653 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: loyalty was you know, kind of foolish in the sense 654 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: that you were self sabotaging because you were a top 655 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: ten NBA player who routinely was getting knocked out early 656 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: in playoffs because your team wasn't very good, and there's 657 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: no shame in wanting to leave. That. Loyalty to franchises 658 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: is stupid in my opinion, because at this at those 659 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: fans are the first ones to turn on you when 660 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: when things aren't going well. You know, that's just the 661 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: nature of of the way this stuff is. And so 662 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: to be honest, like, you know, like we would have 663 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: been on your side no matter what, had you just 664 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: kind of let it progress naturally, and unfortunately now you're 665 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: gonna have I wouldn't be surprised with how reckless Dame 666 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: and c J have talked about this in the past. 667 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick Beverley or or lou 668 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: Williams are one of those guys, uh came out and 669 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: and and tweeted something like like you're taking the easy road, 670 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, something like that. But you know, uh, when 671 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: it comes to the destination, there are you see you 672 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: hear all these different teams that could thrown out, and 673 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: they have all these different cap issues that would have 674 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: to Like for the Lakers, as we've talked frequently, like 675 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: if they do a sen in trade, which is what 676 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: they would have to do to get Dame. If they 677 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: do assign in trade, they get hardcapped, and under the 678 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: current hardcap situation, it would probably force them to lose 679 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of other free agents there. They would lose 680 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: guys currently on the roster, so it really kind of 681 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: it really kind of janks things up. So and then 682 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: just in general, I think other teams have better trade packages, 683 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: and I don't think Portland's gonna sit there and go, 684 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: we'll take talent Horton Tucker and Kyle Kuzma just because 685 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: we want to do Dame a favor, you know what 686 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: I mean. So I would look more to teams like 687 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: the Knicks, teams like Golden State, although I don't like 688 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: the fit there. I don't think it makes a ton 689 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: of sense to have Dame and Steph play together. But 690 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: like I would look to the teams that have assets, 691 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: just because I think at the end of the day, 692 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: Portland's gonna they'll say, hey, Dame, we're gonna help you, 693 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: but we gotta get we gotta get a fair return, 694 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You're top seven, top eight player, 695 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: yeah for sure. But to me, these these kind of 696 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: things always become ugly anyway, right, These trade because are 697 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: never clean. It's never like a oh, we had our 698 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: time together and uh it's over now, and both teams, 699 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, uh seeing by to each other. It never 700 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: happens like that. It's always ugly. It's always ugly breakup. 701 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: You got to ask questions on both sides what happened, 702 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: and you know that. I feel like that's how this goes. 703 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: But I'm like, we're in the new league. To me, 704 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: if Dames says I want to go to the the Lakers, 705 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: like and only the Lakers, like, that's kind of what 706 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: happens here, Like, I don't know, that's just the league. 707 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: I feel like we're in leverage because he has three 708 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,959 Speaker 1: years that you usually leverage, Like I want to go 709 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: to l A if you trade for me, I will 710 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: go to l A as soon as my contracts gone. Well, 711 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: guess what, that doesn't matter when I've got you for 712 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: three seasons. You know what I mean? That is fair. 713 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: But I guess like my only counterpoint is Dame is 714 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: on a super max He's not on like a regular 715 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: max contract. He's making the super max money, which I 716 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: think is like of your cap or whatever that is. 717 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: So that pretty much like puts you down to like 718 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: you either are a title contender, right or like a 719 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: team that's close, Like I don't think a bad team 720 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: can like I don't think Oklahoma City can go and 721 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: throw you know, a BA jillion draft picks at Dame 722 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: because what does that do for them? They're not in 723 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: position at all to win for Dame. The Knicks too, 724 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand the Knicks unless, like he just wants 725 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: to build on a bigger brand, which I think Dame 726 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: is a pretty big superstar already in this league. But 727 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not ready for him. But you're gonna 728 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: sign and trade Julius Randall for Dame and you have 729 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: Dame R J. Barrett? How is that better than Portland's? Like, 730 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: I that's that's my my question here is like it's 731 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: either a want to be one of these really good 732 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: teams that can get for him, and it can that 733 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: list shortens? It's Philly just again we talked about this 734 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: last episode. Just Philly want Ben Simmons on a max contract. 735 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: I don't know, do they want the Warriors package? Do 736 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: they want Wiggins? Why isn't like that's where I think 737 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: this will eventually get to because the list is so 738 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: small for where like, it doesn't make sense if Dame 739 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: goes to a worst team like that, that doesn't happen 740 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 1: in these situations. Players don't leave for a worst team. 741 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: It just can't. That's a horrible look on a on 742 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: a guy that that you just can't have. Stars don't 743 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: want that. Stars want this, even if they don't believe it, 744 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: they want this, Like, Yeah, all I want to do 745 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: is win, you know, like that has to be the 746 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: motivation for leaving. So I'm interested to see how this 747 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: plays out. Yeah, I agree with you, and and you know, 748 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: it's interesting because like you got to think about I 749 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: think about it from all the angles, right, because if 750 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm Portland and I'm giving up Damian Lillard, I'm going 751 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: into the rebuild. So unless I'm extremely high on Ben Simmons, 752 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for a package more along the lines 753 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: of Wiseman or one of the high picks in this draft. 754 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: And you're right, like, why would Oklahoma City get involved 755 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: if that's gonna involve me getting Dame Lillard when I 756 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: don't have the pieces around him to help him compete. 757 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: And then there was that big report that came out 758 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: in early July. Jason Maples tweeted tweeted it out today, 759 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: so if you want to go find it, you can 760 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: find it in uh UM in his feed. But there's 761 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: some guy that claimed to have intel that said that 762 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: Dame wanted to go to New York and he wanted 763 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: to bring Kawhile entward with him. And this is when 764 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: we knew coau I was hurt. And it's like, okay 765 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: uh and and this guy was was of ahead of 766 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: the ahead of the Clippers news, and he knew that 767 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: there was some unrest between the Clippers and Kauai. But anyway, 768 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: it's like, if I'm dame, It's like, why would I 769 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: want to go to the Knicks when if I if 770 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: all we know about Kauai tells us that he's probably 771 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 1: not gonna play next year because Kauai doesn't mess around 772 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: his body. He's gonna take at least a year to 773 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: get healthy. He's certainly not going to come back two 774 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: thirds of the way through the season to try to 775 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: go to to try to help the Clippers go on 776 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: a run when he's not feeling good. So like, and 777 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm dame, I'm already getting older and I'm a small guard. 778 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: Why would I go to New York to flounder for 779 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: a year while I wait for Kauai to maybe come back? 780 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: And God knows, Kauai quite doesn't keep anybody in the loop. 781 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: He doesn't tell you what's going on with his body. 782 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: Or his knee and and dude, like I Kauai such 783 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: a weird guy. I wouldn't be surprised if we never 784 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: see him again. I literally wouldn't be surprised if he 785 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: was like, I'm retiring. Both my knees are messed up. 786 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm stick and tired of trying to get my knees work, 787 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: and when they both keep giving up on me, so yeah, 788 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm retiring. I wouldn't be surprised. Like it's just that 789 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: seems so when I her dad and tell him like 790 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense to me. So my guess is 791 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna be so either Philly or Golden State. Um, 792 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: but I don't if I'm if I'm Portland's, I'm like, 793 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: I don't want Ben Simmons, Like what am I gonna 794 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: do with Ben Simmons? You know? But yeah, it's interesting. 795 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 1: I guess Simmons could I guess sells seats. I guess 796 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 1: and that, But I mean like Portland would sell out anyway. 797 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: They're kind of like a one one sport kind of 798 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: sitting there, but like I have no idea, Like I 799 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: feel like Dame is gonna put out the teams, like 800 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: we've seen how this kind of story goes. He puts 801 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: out the teams and then he kind of there's like 802 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: three teams on that list, and one of them doesn't 803 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: make sense. It's just how it goes to kind of 804 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: throw it off, and then he gets to the team 805 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: he wants, like that's the new league. I think this 806 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: will happen with Bradley Beal eventually to like this's just 807 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: how the cycle of the universe works. I want to 808 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: ask you about the Kauai so because I think that's fascinating. Um, 809 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: the news that's coming out Skip Bayliss isn't really a 810 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: source of you know, high regard to me. But I 811 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: like when I'm just watched when I'm hearing like the 812 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: team didn't even know that he had like the surgery. 813 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: I think that stuff is just weird. That stuff is strange, 814 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: Like to me, that can't even be possible, Kenny, Like, 815 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: how can the team not know that he was having surgery? 816 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: Like that's christ been there two years. It's not like 817 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: he's a stranger to these people, you know what I mean? Like, 818 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 1: that's that kind of stuff. When those stuff come out 819 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: is really strange to me that we can release that 820 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: kind of information like that kind of intail, you know, 821 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: like you don't is that strange to you as well? 822 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: Or like it's it's strange, but it reminds me of 823 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: like a spurned X, like you know, like, uh, it's 824 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: it's it's a common thing that you'll see what you're dating. 825 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: It's like the the the girl who whose ex boyfriend 826 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: cheated on her a bunch of times, Like she tends 827 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: to have trust issues, right, Like she just trust issues, 828 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: and she's the one that's not going to let you 829 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: go have a guy's night because she's gonna think you're off, 830 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, you know, doing god knows what well. I 831 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 1: think that's what happened with Kauai. I think I think 832 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: he legitimately had a serious issue with the medical staff 833 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: with the spurs where he where he felt like he 834 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: was wronged, where he was like, my knees screwed up, 835 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: and these guys keep telling me my knees fine, and 836 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: they keep and now you've got teammates going to the 837 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: press and saying like that he's not playing when my 838 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: knees hurt, you know. And I think that that screwed 839 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: up his head a little bit to where he doesn't 840 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: trust these teams medical staffs at all. And so I 841 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: think as soon as he had the knee injury and 842 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: the first medical opinion from the team doctors said you're fine, 843 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: and then he went and got his second opinion, and 844 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: as soon as the second opinion apparently revealed a partially 845 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: torn a c L, I think he immediately was like, 846 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,959 Speaker 1: screw those guys with the Clippers like that. I can't 847 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: trust him, you know, because he's gotta trust he's got 848 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: trust issues. And I think from there you combine that 849 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: with Kauai's general private mentality and and there's there was 850 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: all sorts of intel that he had some off the 851 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: book stuff with the Clippers anyway, where he's kind of 852 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 1: like a kind of a guy who likes to flex 853 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: his muscles and do his own thing and live in 854 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: San Diego while playing for the Clippers and all this 855 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: other stuff that I'm not I'm not surprised by that 856 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: at all. Um, really quickly before you get out of here. Um, 857 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: So I'm just interested to hear your thoughts on this, 858 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: and and I'll really quickly lay mine out. You know. 859 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: Pat Riley used to talk about this concept called the 860 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: disease of more, which is the idea that you could 861 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: win a title with a bunch of guys playing unselfishly. 862 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: But then you guys get selfish as things progress, because 863 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: they start to care more about self goals instead of 864 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: team goals, and then things go south. And you know, 865 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: the famous example everybody talks about is like two thousand four, 866 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: Kobe is like, you know, they were weren't doing all 867 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: this winning with Shack, but then by then he gets 868 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: a little selfish. He's, you know, he allegedly shot them 869 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: out of the series with the pistons and so on 870 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: and so forth. That's just one example, but that's what 871 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: you hear. But this is so unusual because this is 872 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: the first time I can remember where the disease of 873 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: more is impacting the guys who didn't even win the title. Okay, 874 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: like all the guys who won the title with the Lakers, 875 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, with like guys like Alex Cruzo, guys like Lebron, 876 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: guys like Anthony Davis, all these guys, they're all kind 877 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: of still chugging along with the unselfish nature of it all. Meanwhile, 878 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: all these new guys who weren't on the championship team, 879 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: guys like Dennis Shrewder, guys like Montrez Harrold are coming 880 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 1: out with all these comments and they're acting like they 881 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: care more about their minutes and their role on the team, 882 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 1: whether they're starting or They're like they care more about 883 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: this stuff than than the guys who were won the title. 884 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: And I've never seen anything like it. I I tend 885 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: to think that those guys need to be dispensed with 886 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 1: because I think it hurts the culture. That's just my opinion. 887 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: But I wanted to hear your two cents on it 888 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: before we get you out here. Yeah, you eat throughout Shrewder, Harold, 889 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: even Andre Drummond right with his comments. Um, we're really 890 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: interesting about you know, wanting if he would have got 891 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: more minutes and all that these guys are in their 892 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: mid twenties. Like we keep comparing it to the Lakers. 893 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: You know, those dude had a bunch of dudes in 894 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: the mid mid thirties, kind of Danny Green, Dwight Howard, Um, 895 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: all those dudes, all those role players, really older guys 896 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: who are kind of fit, who understand their role in 897 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: this league. Danny Green isn't gonna ask for isn't gonna 898 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: try to run ball screens. You know, he's not gonna 899 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: be someone who isn't. Ntres Harroll is still trying to 900 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: figure out Kenny be a number one or number two 901 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: options you know in this league? Like what is he? 902 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: You know, like an Dennis Shrewder I think is still 903 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: trying to figure that out too. Is he a starting 904 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: point guard? He wants to be paid like one, so 905 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: he has to play like one. He has to put 906 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: the numbers like one. UM, and he knows he didn't 907 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: do that, And again you started getting these excuses kind 908 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: of UM trickling down. And that's why to me, that 909 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: team is still special. It's why it's special because that's rare. 910 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: You don't get teams that click like this. Also, like 911 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: I don't remember what CALVS team was, UM. I think 912 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: Shannon Fry talked about it a lot that that team 913 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: was super close, and I remember there was sixteen team 914 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: maybe that won the title, but he he talked about 915 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: how close and how everyone went out together and stuff 916 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: like that. And I'm not saying you have to do that, 917 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: um to win, but I'm like, that's part of why 918 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: Lebron does these mini camps in Las Vegas, why he 919 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: does the Dinners on the road try to like build 920 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: that kind of camaraderie. And I don't know if the 921 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: factors with COVID and all that stuff kind of impacted it, 922 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, you can tell these dudes in their mid 923 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: twenties feel like they didn't get the fair shake on 924 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. Um, and again, I feel like 925 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: the talent would have went out. But yeah, you're right. 926 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear all these things come out on 927 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: a team that lost, you know, the players that lost, 928 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: the players that weren't on the team from the title team. 929 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: You don't hear k CP tong like this. You don't 930 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: hear Kyle Kuzum a little bit. I guess um, Kyle 931 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: Kuzuma came out with a little bit. But yeah, you're right. 932 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: Is from the mid twenty dudes who were who felt 933 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 1: like they were going to kind of break open here 934 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: and that didn't really happen. Which individual breakout seasons don't 935 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: happen on contenders like this when they're deep. I think 936 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: this is a product of depth. And I'll do this, 937 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: say this really quick, and then I'll get you out 938 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: of here. You know, my team at Arizona Christian University, 939 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: the last school I played, kind of had a similar thing. 940 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 1: The year before, Uh, they finished second in their conference 941 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: and they made it to the national tournament. And everybody 942 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: came back and they had famously good chemistry, like to them, 943 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 1: like they talked about how great that year was and 944 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: and and how close all the guys were and how 945 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: everybody bought into their roles and how and how great 946 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: they were. Well, everybody came back, and they added me, 947 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: and they added this guy named Matais who's a really 948 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: good center who transferred from another school. And we added 949 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: this guard named Rodney from Texas who was a really 950 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 1: good two way defensive guard. And so all of a sudden, 951 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,399 Speaker 1: there eight man rotation became an eleven man rotation, and 952 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you know, I took the 953 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: starting spot of the guy who played the year before, 954 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,879 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, we had guys that are nine, ten, 955 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: eleven in the rotation that on any given night could 956 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: have a d NP coaches decision. And it kind of 957 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: became this deal where there was just a different attitude 958 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: around the team because suddenly there were competing agendas. There 959 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: were well, maybe this guy should play more, well, this 960 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,879 Speaker 1: guy's this guy is is taking away from my role 961 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: or whatever it was, and it kind of it kind 962 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: of we we were we were a better team than 963 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: the previous year's team, but a lot of the guys 964 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: talked about how the chemistry wasn't as good and that 965 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: the guys weren't as close. And I think that's kind 966 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: of like a similar version of what happened with the Lakers, 967 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: is like it's a better team on paper, and injuries 968 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: are what derailed them. Let's not confuse that. But but 969 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 1: the the energy around the team was a little bit 970 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 1: different this year because there were guys that had individual 971 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: goals separate from the team, and I do think that 972 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: that's something that they shouldn't want totor moving forward. Yeah, 973 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,359 Speaker 1: it's why repeating it's hard. It's why three piece are hard. Um, 974 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: things happen, you know, you get tired of people. Just 975 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: it's just how life kind of works. Um. I always 976 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: think about like that Warriors team, and that team was 977 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: running through teams like that, that team was actolutely destroyer world, 978 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: and it's still just could not keep together for more 979 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: than three years. Like that's just how it happened. Things 980 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 1: broke one way, broke another way. People said some things 981 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: like it's just that's how it works, So I feel 982 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: like this team had a chance. I love the new blood. 983 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: I think the idea was right. Throwing a new blood 984 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: into um into the team, I think was the right decision. 985 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: I think that's what they will kind of go with 986 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: this year as well. I just didn't work out, and 987 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: sometimes it happens that way. But you're right at it's 988 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: injuries is the reason why it never really got the chance. 989 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: I think winning kind of solves a lot of this stuff, 990 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 1: right Like, I feel like when you lose, this stuff 991 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: kind of festers out even more. If the Lakers got 992 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: to the Western Conference finals, I don't think I see 993 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: Montrose Harold talking about, you know, there's no such thing 994 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: as uh, what do you say, matchups? That there's no 995 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: such thing as there's no such thing as matchups. You're yeah, yeah, 996 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,879 Speaker 1: you're right, Tress. There's no such thing as matchups, like 997 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: like like the matchups that are literally determining the championship 998 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: right now exactly, or Dennis Shooter, you know, coming out 999 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: with you know, talking about his contract and stuff like. 1000 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: I don't think those stuff happened on a team that 1001 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: wins you know, Western Conference Finals. I don't think you'll 1002 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: see this summer, like, I don't think you'll see mckel 1003 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: bridges be like, I should have got more shots. Honestly, 1004 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: we would have one in four or five. Like, no, 1005 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. Like you know, even though 1006 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,319 Speaker 1: he's a young guy probably trying to make a name 1007 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,800 Speaker 1: in his league, he gets it there are in the finals. 1008 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Like if he said stuff 1009 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: like that when it makes sense, so that's kind of 1010 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: comparison that would make their yep. I agree with you, 1011 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,800 Speaker 1: all right, brother, let's get you to work. We actually 1012 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 1: went five minutes long, so that that's my fault. But 1013 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 1: let's we got a game on Saturday. My guests as 1014 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 1: will probably end up doing the podcast on Monday, just 1015 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: because Sundays they're always crazy. But thank you all for 1016 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: listening in. I will be posting the podcast shortly. Also, 1017 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,240 Speaker 1: for those of you who have Apple, for whatever reason, 1018 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 1: episode sixty five just didn't get updated to Apple and 1019 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: and went everywhere else. I have no idea why. I'm 1020 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: working with Apple support trying to figure it out. If 1021 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,439 Speaker 1: you haven't heard episode sixty five, that one's on. It'll 1022 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: be on Spotify or Google Podcasts or anywhere else. And 1023 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 1: then hopefully it will be on Apple Podcast soon and 1024 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: then I'll upload this one today and hopefully, if Apple 1025 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: has their stuff together, will be in good shape, and 1026 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: I'll tweet out the links once they're all active. All right, everybody, 1027 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: have a good weekend and we will see you later. 1028 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 1: Appreciate ever