WEBVTT - #523 Packers Unscripted: Talking trenches 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:15.360 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted social 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:20.040 distancing Style from Packers dot Com. Mike Spoffer, joined as 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.520 always by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowits coming to you 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.560 from our humble abodes and West. Today, we're going to 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.920 move on with our draft preview series regarding the Packers roster. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:33.879 Worth things stand. We're gonna look at the trenches. We're 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.960 gonna call it the day in the trenches, the offensive 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.479 and defensive lines. And you know, you look at this 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.559 Packers offensive line if the season started tomorrow, you know 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.040 who you're starting five is. But when it comes to 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.000 maybe some planning for the future, especially at the offensive 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.760 tackle position, the Packers are definitely looking at some things 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.760 in this draft. Yeah. And if you go back, Mike, 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.600 all these drafts, offensive line, defensive line. If there's anything 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:01.800 that they're almost a certainty of, it's the Packers will 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.280 draft at least one player from both of those positions. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.800 Defensive line. They've done it in twenty four, twenty five 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.840 consecutive drafts. Now. But your question is valid offensive line. 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.959 Offensive tackle is going to be an issue, an interesting 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.679 thing for the Packers to potentially explore because Brian Bulag 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.520 has gone. Rick Wagner is here, but as we saw 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.200 last year when Blaga went down, then you had to 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.080 go get Jared Vlder to come in and help out 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.560 at right tackle, who could potentially be that swing tackle 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.760 candidate for them this year. That is gonna be the 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.240 thing that I'm with my eye on. Alex light is back. Certainly, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.600 you have guys like you know, even Elaine Taylor who's 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.080 still on the roster right now. He could potentially help 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.319 out there as well. But I think they want to 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.679 probably get a guy in the system. With David bak 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:45.840 T now nine years old, Rick Wagner also thirty, you 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:47.559 want to get a young guy to work with them 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.640 and really get a chance to develop a much like 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.920 Bolaga did with box tr seven years ago. Yeah, you 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.800 look at the offensive tackle situation and Rick Wagner he 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.720 entered the league three years after Brian Bulaga, but he's 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.920 an actually the same age as Bolaga. Then you also 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.760 have David Bactieri, he's heading into the final year of 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.640 his contract. As far as the other options at offensive tackle, 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.440 Billy Turner maybe could play there. You mentioned Lane Taylor 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.160 maybe could play there in a pinch. You have Alex 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.679 Light with a little bit of experience. Yosh Naiman is 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.239 back from an injury. He'll be another guy to compete 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.600 for a backup role on this roster. But in terms 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.960 of planning for the future, yeah, you'd really like to 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.480 get one of the top offensive tackles if you can 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.200 in this draft. Obviously, a lot of that depends on 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.519 how things fall. With the Packers sitting at thirty in 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.919 the first round, sixty two in the second round, it's 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.760 going to be hard to find somebody after that. I 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.000 mean the David Baktrs of the world. Finding a franchise 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.760 offensive tackle and a left tackle at that in the 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.320 fourth round. That that doesn't happen every day. It It 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.160 doesn't happen, you know, even maybe more than once in 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.840 about a decade or two. Packers very fortunate there. They've 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.520 made the most of everything with box Tr. I think 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.680 they'd like to keep him in Green Bay even beyond 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.840 this final year of his contract. But it's about planning 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.360 for the future. With Rick Wagner the age that he is, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.239 and as you said, having a potential swing guy who 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.040 could back up at both spots and develop behind a 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.239 couple of established pros. Yeah, and this is something that 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.320 you and I discussed on our last show. With the 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.120 receiver position. You've got Devin Funchius in the system. Now, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.760 this is a young man that allows you to have flexibility. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.400 You don't have to necessarily go out and use a 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.760 high pick on receiver. You can if you want to, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.680 but you're not pressing for need the same thing. That's 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.200 what happened with Rick Wagner, and I think actually Wagner 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.040 is even more important now when you look at what 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.080 could be a really truncated offseason program. We don't know 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.360 what will happen with the training camp. You don't want 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.680 to throw a rookie out there right away off the bat. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.880 You want a guy like Wagner that started a hundred 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.840 games in the NFL to this point and is going 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.960 to be able to help out. I have to deviate 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.640 from this for a second, though, Mike and bring up 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:56.280 Lane Taylor again, because if you go back back to January, 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.520 back to February, West had Kowitz and I'm not trying 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:00.960 to pat my self on the back here, but I'm 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.119 just trying to reiterate Lane Taylor is a good football 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.600 player here, folks, West Hodco has kept saying Lane Taylor 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:09.920 is not going to get cut if you know anything 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:11.680 about his contract, if you know any the way that 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.280 what he's gone through, the way they structured that, it 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.760 wasn't like he was gonna be a big cap casualty. 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.240 It reminded me a lot of what happened with Brian 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.960 Bolaga last year. He was making good money, absolutely, but 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.640 he wasn't making the most at his position. So by 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:31.680 having Taylor back, by resigning Lucas Patrick extending him, you 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.440 have Billy Turner coming back. Ellen Jenkins, I think is 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.240 gonna be a ten year pro in this league. For 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.520 as many questions as the Packers have to answer as 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.159 far as who that swing tackle is going to be, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.880 they have a lot of options on that interior offensive 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.400 line in one of the deepest into your offensive lines 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.200 that I can recall in my time covering this team. Yeah, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.240 the Packers are definitely in good shape depthwise on the interior. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.359 You do have Corey Linsley at center going into the 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.320 final year of his contract. He's another one of those veterans. 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.600 The Packers will be making a decision on as far 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.719 as a contract extension here sometime within the next twelve months. 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.160 But but looking at offensive tackle, and I'll glance at 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.640 my notes here for a second with regard to some 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.400 of the prospects that are out there, there's kind of 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.359 a consensus on the top four or five offensive tackles 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.520 in this draft, but there certainly isn't a guarantee that 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.279 any of those four or five guys is going to 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.120 be there for the Packers at thirty if that's where 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.720 they're targeting. And I'm talking about guys like Tristan Worf's 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.880 from Iowa, Jedrick Wills from Alabama, Andrew Thomas from Georgia, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.599 Beckton from Louisville, and Josh Jones from Houston. Now, Josh 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.200 Jones is one of the one guy who's maybe outside 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.040 of you know, those top four that there's a lot 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.599 of varying opinions as to where he might fall in 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.080 this draft. But then other guys, and these would be 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.360 guys maybe that could be there at sixty two at 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.400 the end of the second round if the Packers are 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.760 inclined to go that way. Austin Jackson from ust maybe 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.680 Ezra Cleveland from Boise State, Isaiah Wilson from Georgia. He's 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.719 the other tackle on the opposite side from Andrew Thomas, 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.600 who is the higher rated tackle from Georgia, and then 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:10.600 Prince Tega Winoga, Winoga, if I'm saying that correctly from Auburn, 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.480 another offensive tackle being talked about in that that second 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.720 round range. So there are going to be some options 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.080 there for the Packers. But again, when you're at thirty, 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.599 when you're at sixty two, who's going to be there 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.720 and can you get the right value for the pick 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:30.200 to address those future concerns that we're talking about. One 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.040 thing I love about when we do the draft series, 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.920 spot is always the one that has to say all 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.720 the prospects names. I always get to come in afterwards 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.080 after you actually have gone through it and pained yourself 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.520 to make sure you get all these pronunciations correct. Uh, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.240 Josh Jones and the guy I've had my eye on 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.880 this entire process. I just think that as you've seen 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:51.240 that position and where he could potentially fit, he's the 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.280 only senior in those top picks. A lot of experience 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.480 there at Houston, certainly had a lot of success at 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.560 the college level, but it seems like his project keep 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.080 it can be anywhere from fifteen to thirty to maybe 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.800 second round. You don't really know where he's going to fall, 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.159 but a lot of ability, there a lot of talent. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:09.640 I think he's a guy to have my eye on. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.280 As far as second round, Austin Jackson is probably the 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.600 one if he would be there that late, I don't know. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.960 And Ezra Cleveland, I mean, Cleveland's a tall dude. If 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.320 if he can get his pad level right, I think 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.880 he can be a really big success at this level too. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.800 It's not the deepest group ever, and there's some question 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.240 in terms of where these guys are gonna play at 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.040 the next level, but there are a lot of options 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.680 and body types for Brian Goodicoins to take a look at. Yeah, 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.640 just a couple other notes. Austin Jackson from USC He's 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.600 the one whose grandfather played for the Packers. I believe 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.320 it was back in the nineteen seventies, and that you 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.840 mentioned Ezra Cleveland from Boise State. I kind of look 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.080 at him a lot like Josh Jones, just in the 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.200 sense of there's talk of him being anywhere from maybe 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.600 being picked twentieth in the first round to anywhere all 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.360 the way down through the second round. There's a lot 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.000 of varying opinions as to as to where he might go. 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.160 You see some reports that some team wants to trade 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.480 up for him in the first round, and then others 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.040 are saying, well, you know, he'll be there in the 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.760 second round, so who knows. I mean, you know, we're 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.840 still six days away at this point from this first 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.000 round kicking off, and they're they're gonna be a lot 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.560 of trades maschinations, teams shifting around trying to find the 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.520 right value based on how they have guys rated on 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.560 their board. And uh, and we'll just have to see 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.960 exactly where Brian Goudacum's test. Some of these guys rated 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.480 his decisions are gonna tell us that absolutely And I 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.320 want to jump in here and mentioned this is I 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.559 love these type of prospects, by the way, the guys 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.480 that people don't know if they're gonna go twenty or 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.600 sixty because a lot of times the guys that end 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.840 up falling into the second round, they're the ones that 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.480 everybody thought were a sure friar first round pick and 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.079 then suddenly they're there. What's wrong with them? But then 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.199 you look at you know, a guy like Darnell Savage 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:44.959 last year, a lot of people didn't think he was 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:46.840 a first round pick right away he ends up being 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.199 the first defensive back on off the board. You know 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.320 how many times I bring up late in vander esh 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.240 a guy that at the combine a number of years 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.280 ago was seen as a second or third rounder. He 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.640 works his way into the first round. Those guys that 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.560 sometimes I have those wide projections and up going on 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.560 the earlier side of that, because as much as there's 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.400 questions out there about them, there's a lot of intrigue 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.080 as well, as you know from NFL scouts. So for 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.440 that reason, whether it's Josh Jones or whether it's Cleveland, 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.240 some of these guys, I like those question marks because 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.680 I think that shows their upside and their stealing and 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.720 how that could potentially impact an NFL roster. Yeah, absolutely well, 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.800 shifting gears here to the defensive line. The way I 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:29.120 put this in the written series that is that I've 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.800 been posting on the site on a daily basis looking 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.480 at the Packers roster position by position. The perfect world 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:39.000 scenario for the Green Bay Packers is to be able 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:43.160 to extend Kenny Clark and find the next Kenny Clark. 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.199 Now that's absolutely you know, having your cake and eating 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.960 it too. So to speak, but Brian Goudakunst has made 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.400 no bones about the fact that he wants Kenny Clark 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.840 in a Packer uniform long term. He's now entering the 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.120 fifth year option from his rookie contract as a first 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.840 round pick in the Packers want to work out a deal. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.199 They want to extend Kenny Clark, and they did extend 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.160 Dean Lowry last year. But after that, you have Tyler Lancaster, 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.240 you have Montrevius Adams, and you have keys Lee Kiki, 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.560 a sixth round draft pick from a year ago. All 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.040 of those guys still, you know, you hope that they're 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.440 still developing and and haven't necessarily reached their peak yet. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.679 But this is a position I think if the right 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.079 guy is there, whether you're talking at thirty or at 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:29.400 sixty two, I don't see Brian Goudacum is hesitating whatsoever 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.600 to make that pick and add to that defensive line 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.240 and hope that that's the next Kenny Clark, if that 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.320 guy is there for him. There's been a lot of 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.080 interviews and types of like things I've done leading up 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.080 to the draft here of people asking, you know, what 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:44.800 are the Packers going to do with number thirty Are 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.800 they gonna move up, are they gonna move back? Are 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:48.680 they going to go with receiver finally for the first 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.520 time in eighteen years. You don't know, But you can 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.800 go off of history and you can go off percentages. 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.240 If you were asking me, Okay, West, you gotta pick 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.160 a spot here, you have to pick a player. You 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.480 basically look at the past twenty years offensive line, defensive line, 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.040 that's more often or not been the way the Packers 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.280 have gone. And for that very reason, I always take 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.520 scouting those players, reading about those players very seriously because 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.199 as it goes back to that old adage that Ted 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.200 Thompson always used to say, you're familiar with him, Mike, 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:19.880 I'm sure we bring it up on the show every year. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.000 There's only so many of those guys on this planet, 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.840 and there's even fewer of them that can actually run, jump, 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:28.880 all those type of things that you look for in 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.680 a professional football player, and you put a premium on 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.480 that position. You look at where the Packers stand right now. 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.800 Kenny Clark, I think undoubtedly is going to go down 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:38.720 is probably one of the top ten picks that Ted 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.199 Thompson had because he found him at the end of 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.520 the first round. And this is a guy that is now, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.120 at twenty four years old, one of the best at 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.080 his position in the league. Dean Lowry signed the extension 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.160 last year. I'm sure if you ask Dean, he probably 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:52.640 wanted to make more of an impact than he was 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.960 able to. But still a very consistent, durable player for them. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.560 Has not missed a game yet due to injury. And 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.040 those are your two building blocks are on the defensive line. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.520 Who's going to be that third person though, because as 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.080 much as we have talked about all the league's moving 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.640 towards the passing league, we're seeing more two down lineman 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.800 looks Mike. I didn't run the actual percentages, but I 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.880 would I would have a hard time believing that base 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.400 defense has been down as much as I think everybody 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.800 says it is. Packers ran a lot of it last year, 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.439 whether it was a different type of variation, but they've 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.360 had a lot of three defensive linement on the field 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.120 at the same time. So you're looking at Montrevia Saidams, 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.400 You're looking at Kiki, You're looking at Tyler Lancaster. You 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.560 want to see those guys step up, but a lot 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.600 of times the best way to get the most out 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.040 of that room is to find a real nice athlete, 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.360 like they did with Kenny Clark in two thousand and sixteen, 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.120 throw them in there and let those guys, you know, 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.480 compete for that playing time. Well, that that's what I 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.160 think dictates what you do from a defensive perspective with 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.560 regard to your packages. Is what type of defensive lineman 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.880 do you have? And if the Packers, I mean Kenny 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:57.160 Clark is he's that every down, all around lineman. He 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.240 can he can stop the run, and he can take 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.920 on double team, he can get after the quarterback, he 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.160 can do all of those things. Well you add a 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.440 second guy who's just like that. I don't care whether 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.080 you call it nickel or bass or sub package, whatever 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.880 you wanna call it. If you have two guys like 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.760 that playing almost every down on the defensive line, your 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.920 defensive coordinator has all kinds of flexibility with how he 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.360 wants to package everybody else at the linebacker level and 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.320 at the secondary level. So that's the kind of and 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.640 and that's how the San Francisco forty Niners, frankly the 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.679 defending NFC champions, that's how they built their defense. They 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.720 built their defense by spending first round picks or trading 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.280 or signing former first round picks to build that defensive line. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.600 Now they ended up trading I believe it was DeForrest 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.240 Buckner this uh this offseason. So there's talk that the 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:48.040 forty Niners at number thirty one, picking right after the Packers, 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.600 might be in the market for another defensive lineman as 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.000 well because of their trade of of Bucker. They want 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.520 to try to keep that same style, that same core 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.160 of defense in terms of type of players to there 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.320 to make another run out of Super Bowl. So this 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.480 is gonna be really interesting to me how this shakes 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.160 out at the at the end of the first round, 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.760 because and we all know, the Packers didn't stop to 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.640 run well enough against San Francisco in January, and that's 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.840 why the forty Niners went to the Super Bowl. And 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:15.960 let's be honest, Mike, I'm gonna flash forward to a 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.160 year from right at this moment, I fully expect that 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.000 David Batr, Kenny Clark, both of those guys are gonna 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.000 be the long term plans for the Packers. I see 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.640 them being in for the next four or five years. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.960 But in Clark's specific spot, you what you want to 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.480 do is you want to be able to build that up. Now, 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.080 whether it takes a first round pick or not, you 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.200 don't know, but you want to be able to use 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.120 him in different ways so he doesn't have to do everything, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.400 because as great as Kenny Clark is, you can't always 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.800 expect him to play of the defensive snaps every single year, 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.960 especially as he gets older. You want to be smarter 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:47.320 with him. You want to take him out of certain 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:48.960 run packages. You want to be able to take him 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.680 out of certain pass packages. You want to maximize his 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.080 value and make sure that that guy is going to 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.720 give you a percent physically you know you're gonna get 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.720 it mentally, but being able to give everything he has 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.880 when he's on the field, that's why. And and you 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.440 know we'll get into some prospects here, but these last 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.240 few years, you know, you've had a guy or two 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.560 that you've mentioned, the one I always like to use 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.200 as Elvin Kamara. You were on that train before anybody else, 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.040 and I think Ross Blacklock is one of those guys. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.560 This year. I didn't know Ross Blacklock until you brought 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.960 up his name at the NFL Scouting combine. And I've 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:21.920 done a lot of research on the young man. He 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.640 has a different body type than Clark. He's about the 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.680 same height, but he's a little smaller about pounds smaller. 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.000 But those two ninety pound defensive tackles, now, Mike, they're 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.200 infiltrating the league and they're making big impacts. That's a 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.120 guy that could potentially if the Packers would go that direction, 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.640 maybe take off some of those pass rushing duties from 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.600 Clark or being able to at least use them in 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.320 different ways to be able to give you more of 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.080 a two headed approach in the trenches. Yeah, and just 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.680 to to run down some names as far as guys 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.040 that are being talked about in that that late first 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.320 round or into the second round. On the defensive line. 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.120 You mentioned Blacklock from TCU. He's getting a lot of 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.440 a lot of publicity in terms of people wondering how 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.640 much the Packers are interested. Um Neville Gallimore from Oklahoma 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.120 would be another one. Marlon Davidson from Auburn. He was 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.320 another guy really intrigued me at the combine from a 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:12.080 personality standpoint. Really interesting guy and and just like I 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.920 was talking about with Georgia with the offensive tackles, Davidson 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.080 is sort of the second guy from Auburn. Because Derek Brown, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.240 the top defensive lineman from Auburn, he's being talked about 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.600 as a possible top five, top ten pick. But then 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.080 Davidson is that is that second guy from that same 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:31.680 defensive line unit. Uh justin Mattabek if I'm saying that correctly, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.360 from Texas A and M. And then also ray Kwon 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.960 Davis another one from Alabama. Um, who's been talked about 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.600 in that late first round or or second round, you know, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.560 day two type of mix. So again, you just don't 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.000 always know where these guys are gonna go. And and 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:49.840 you know, with a lot of these prospects, I mean, 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.760 as we talk about all the time was beauties in 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.640 the eye of the beholder. There are some teams who 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.120 will have certain guys rated as theft or twentie best 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.640 player in the entire draft on their board, that same 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:04.760 guy best guy on another team's board. So um, and 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.639 they you know, they guard those opinions as as well 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.679 as they can leading up to when the soul starts 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.480 next Thursday night. Yeah, just a touch on you know. Obviously, 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.000 Gallamore has such an interesting story Canadian and a guy 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.080 that went to a prep school I think his parents 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.159 are paying sixteen thousand dollars a year or something like 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.800 that for him to go. And you know Canada, you know, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.480 the Great North is not known for a lot of 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.160 NFL prospects. Uh. And here was a guy that put 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.040 in everything he had to try getting a college scholarship. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.840 He did that at Oklahoma, was very productive there. And 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.200 then also as you mentioned, made Bouki, Yeah, I can't 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.400 pronounce his name. He played last year or two years 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.200 ago with Kingsley Kiki, very similar type of skill sets. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:45.800 He really came on as a senior. I think he 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.280 had eleven sacks or something like that. Um made book keep. 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.240 I'm not gonna be able to pronounce that. That That means 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.000 the Packers are gonna draft him, and I'm gonna have 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.880 to learn how to pronounce that. But it's those type 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.960 of guys that I think whether the Packers go first, 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.399 second round, if they want to go high with the 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.720 defensive linemen again, much like with the offensive line, a 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.800 lot of different guys that could really be a complimentary 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:07.880 piece and potentially help them out depending on what they're 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.800 looking for. Yeah, and just getting back to Blacklock for 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.480 a second, to he's the one who's uh father has 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.000 been the coach of the Harlem Globe Trotters. So I 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.919 I just his his story to me is is is 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.280 fascinating and like I said, with Davidson from Auburn Blacklock 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.439 from a personality standpoint, just a really interesting guy to 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.480 listen to him talk at the combine and and tell 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.760 his story. Um, there are definitely some some personalities in 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.040 this defensive line group and we'll see if if ultimately 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:37.879 one of them falls to the Packers at a place 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.080 that Brian Goudaquins feels there's good value to take one. Yeah, 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:42.760 and even if they don't take one of the first 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.480 three days, as I mentioned earlier, I think it goes 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.680