1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted social 2 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: distancing Style from Packers dot Com. Mike Spoffer, joined as 3 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: always by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowits coming to you 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: from our humble abodes and West. Today, we're going to 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: move on with our draft preview series regarding the Packers roster. 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: Worth things stand. We're gonna look at the trenches. We're 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: gonna call it the day in the trenches, the offensive 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: and defensive lines. And you know, you look at this 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: Packers offensive line if the season started tomorrow, you know 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: who you're starting five is. But when it comes to 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: maybe some planning for the future, especially at the offensive 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: tackle position, the Packers are definitely looking at some things 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah. And if you go back, Mike, 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: all these drafts, offensive line, defensive line. If there's anything 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: that they're almost a certainty of, it's the Packers will 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: draft at least one player from both of those positions. 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Defensive line. They've done it in twenty four, twenty five 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: consecutive drafts. Now. But your question is valid offensive line. 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: Offensive tackle is going to be an issue, an interesting 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: thing for the Packers to potentially explore because Brian Bulag 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: has gone. Rick Wagner is here, but as we saw 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: last year when Blaga went down, then you had to 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: go get Jared Vlder to come in and help out 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: at right tackle, who could potentially be that swing tackle 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: candidate for them this year. That is gonna be the 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: thing that I'm with my eye on. Alex light is back. Certainly, 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: you have guys like you know, even Elaine Taylor who's 28 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: still on the roster right now. He could potentially help 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: out there as well. But I think they want to 30 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: probably get a guy in the system. With David bak 31 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: T now nine years old, Rick Wagner also thirty, you 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: want to get a young guy to work with them 33 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: and really get a chance to develop a much like 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: Bolaga did with box tr seven years ago. Yeah, you 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: look at the offensive tackle situation and Rick Wagner he 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: entered the league three years after Brian Bulaga, but he's 37 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: an actually the same age as Bolaga. Then you also 38 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: have David Bactieri, he's heading into the final year of 39 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: his contract. As far as the other options at offensive tackle, 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: Billy Turner maybe could play there. You mentioned Lane Taylor 41 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: maybe could play there in a pinch. You have Alex 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: Light with a little bit of experience. Yosh Naiman is 43 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: back from an injury. He'll be another guy to compete 44 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: for a backup role on this roster. But in terms 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: of planning for the future, yeah, you'd really like to 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: get one of the top offensive tackles if you can 47 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: in this draft. Obviously, a lot of that depends on 48 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: how things fall. With the Packers sitting at thirty in 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: the first round, sixty two in the second round, it's 50 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: going to be hard to find somebody after that. I 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: mean the David Baktrs of the world. Finding a franchise 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: offensive tackle and a left tackle at that in the 53 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: fourth round. That that doesn't happen every day. It It 54 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: doesn't happen, you know, even maybe more than once in 55 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: about a decade or two. Packers very fortunate there. They've 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: made the most of everything with box Tr. I think 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: they'd like to keep him in Green Bay even beyond 58 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: this final year of his contract. But it's about planning 59 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: for the future. With Rick Wagner the age that he is, 60 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: and as you said, having a potential swing guy who 61 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: could back up at both spots and develop behind a 62 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: couple of established pros. Yeah, and this is something that 63 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: you and I discussed on our last show. With the 64 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: receiver position. You've got Devin Funchius in the system. Now, 65 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: this is a young man that allows you to have flexibility. 66 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: You don't have to necessarily go out and use a 67 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: high pick on receiver. You can if you want to, 68 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: but you're not pressing for need the same thing. That's 69 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: what happened with Rick Wagner, and I think actually Wagner 70 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: is even more important now when you look at what 71 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: could be a really truncated offseason program. We don't know 72 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: what will happen with the training camp. You don't want 73 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: to throw a rookie out there right away off the bat. 74 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: You want a guy like Wagner that started a hundred 75 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: games in the NFL to this point and is going 76 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: to be able to help out. I have to deviate 77 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: from this for a second, though, Mike and bring up 78 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: Lane Taylor again, because if you go back back to January, 79 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: back to February, West had Kowitz and I'm not trying 80 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: to pat my self on the back here, but I'm 81 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: just trying to reiterate Lane Taylor is a good football 82 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: player here, folks, West Hodco has kept saying Lane Taylor 83 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: is not going to get cut if you know anything 84 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: about his contract, if you know any the way that 85 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: what he's gone through, the way they structured that, it 86 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: wasn't like he was gonna be a big cap casualty. 87 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: It reminded me a lot of what happened with Brian 88 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: Bolaga last year. He was making good money, absolutely, but 89 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: he wasn't making the most at his position. So by 90 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: having Taylor back, by resigning Lucas Patrick extending him, you 91 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: have Billy Turner coming back. Ellen Jenkins, I think is 92 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: gonna be a ten year pro in this league. For 93 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: as many questions as the Packers have to answer as 94 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: far as who that swing tackle is going to be, 95 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: they have a lot of options on that interior offensive 96 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: line in one of the deepest into your offensive lines 97 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: that I can recall in my time covering this team. Yeah, 98 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: the Packers are definitely in good shape depthwise on the interior. 99 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: You do have Corey Linsley at center going into the 100 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: final year of his contract. He's another one of those veterans. 101 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: The Packers will be making a decision on as far 102 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: as a contract extension here sometime within the next twelve months. 103 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: But but looking at offensive tackle, and I'll glance at 104 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: my notes here for a second with regard to some 105 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: of the prospects that are out there, there's kind of 106 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: a consensus on the top four or five offensive tackles 107 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: in this draft, but there certainly isn't a guarantee that 108 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: any of those four or five guys is going to 109 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: be there for the Packers at thirty if that's where 110 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: they're targeting. And I'm talking about guys like Tristan Worf's 111 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: from Iowa, Jedrick Wills from Alabama, Andrew Thomas from Georgia, 112 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: Beckton from Louisville, and Josh Jones from Houston. Now, Josh 113 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: Jones is one of the one guy who's maybe outside 114 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: of you know, those top four that there's a lot 115 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: of varying opinions as to where he might fall in 116 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: this draft. But then other guys, and these would be 117 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: guys maybe that could be there at sixty two at 118 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: the end of the second round if the Packers are 119 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: inclined to go that way. Austin Jackson from ust maybe 120 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland from Boise State, Isaiah Wilson from Georgia. He's 121 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: the other tackle on the opposite side from Andrew Thomas, 122 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: who is the higher rated tackle from Georgia, and then 123 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: Prince Tega Winoga, Winoga, if I'm saying that correctly from Auburn, 124 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: another offensive tackle being talked about in that that second 125 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: round range. So there are going to be some options 126 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: there for the Packers. But again, when you're at thirty, 127 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: when you're at sixty two, who's going to be there 128 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: and can you get the right value for the pick 129 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: to address those future concerns that we're talking about. One 130 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: thing I love about when we do the draft series, 131 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: spot is always the one that has to say all 132 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: the prospects names. I always get to come in afterwards 133 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: after you actually have gone through it and pained yourself 134 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: to make sure you get all these pronunciations correct. Uh, 135 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: Josh Jones and the guy I've had my eye on 136 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: this entire process. I just think that as you've seen 137 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: that position and where he could potentially fit, he's the 138 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: only senior in those top picks. A lot of experience 139 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: there at Houston, certainly had a lot of success at 140 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: the college level, but it seems like his project keep 141 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: it can be anywhere from fifteen to thirty to maybe 142 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: second round. You don't really know where he's going to fall, 143 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: but a lot of ability, there a lot of talent. 144 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: I think he's a guy to have my eye on. 145 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: As far as second round, Austin Jackson is probably the 146 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: one if he would be there that late, I don't know. 147 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: And Ezra Cleveland, I mean, Cleveland's a tall dude. If 148 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: if he can get his pad level right, I think 149 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: he can be a really big success at this level too. 150 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: It's not the deepest group ever, and there's some question 151 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: in terms of where these guys are gonna play at 152 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: the next level, but there are a lot of options 153 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: and body types for Brian Goodicoins to take a look at. Yeah, 154 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: just a couple other notes. Austin Jackson from USC He's 155 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: the one whose grandfather played for the Packers. I believe 156 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: it was back in the nineteen seventies, and that you 157 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: mentioned Ezra Cleveland from Boise State. I kind of look 158 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: at him a lot like Josh Jones, just in the 159 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: sense of there's talk of him being anywhere from maybe 160 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: being picked twentieth in the first round to anywhere all 161 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: the way down through the second round. There's a lot 162 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: of varying opinions as to as to where he might go. 163 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: You see some reports that some team wants to trade 164 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: up for him in the first round, and then others 165 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: are saying, well, you know, he'll be there in the 166 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: second round, so who knows. I mean, you know, we're 167 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: still six days away at this point from this first 168 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: round kicking off, and they're they're gonna be a lot 169 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: of trades maschinations, teams shifting around trying to find the 170 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: right value based on how they have guys rated on 171 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: their board. And uh, and we'll just have to see 172 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: exactly where Brian Goudacum's test. Some of these guys rated 173 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: his decisions are gonna tell us that absolutely And I 174 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: want to jump in here and mentioned this is I 175 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 1: love these type of prospects, by the way, the guys 176 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: that people don't know if they're gonna go twenty or 177 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: sixty because a lot of times the guys that end 178 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: up falling into the second round, they're the ones that 179 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: everybody thought were a sure friar first round pick and 180 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: then suddenly they're there. What's wrong with them? But then 181 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: you look at you know, a guy like Darnell Savage 182 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: last year, a lot of people didn't think he was 183 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: a first round pick right away he ends up being 184 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: the first defensive back on off the board. You know 185 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: how many times I bring up late in vander esh 186 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: a guy that at the combine a number of years 187 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: ago was seen as a second or third rounder. He 188 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: works his way into the first round. Those guys that 189 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: sometimes I have those wide projections and up going on 190 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: the earlier side of that, because as much as there's 191 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: questions out there about them, there's a lot of intrigue 192 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: as well, as you know from NFL scouts. So for 193 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: that reason, whether it's Josh Jones or whether it's Cleveland, 194 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: some of these guys, I like those question marks because 195 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: I think that shows their upside and their stealing and 196 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: how that could potentially impact an NFL roster. Yeah, absolutely well, 197 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: shifting gears here to the defensive line. The way I 198 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: put this in the written series that is that I've 199 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: been posting on the site on a daily basis looking 200 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: at the Packers roster position by position. The perfect world 201 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: scenario for the Green Bay Packers is to be able 202 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: to extend Kenny Clark and find the next Kenny Clark. 203 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: Now that's absolutely you know, having your cake and eating 204 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: it too. So to speak, but Brian Goudakunst has made 205 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: no bones about the fact that he wants Kenny Clark 206 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: in a Packer uniform long term. He's now entering the 207 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: fifth year option from his rookie contract as a first 208 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: round pick in the Packers want to work out a deal. 209 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: They want to extend Kenny Clark, and they did extend 210 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: Dean Lowry last year. But after that, you have Tyler Lancaster, 211 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: you have Montrevius Adams, and you have keys Lee Kiki, 212 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: a sixth round draft pick from a year ago. All 213 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: of those guys still, you know, you hope that they're 214 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: still developing and and haven't necessarily reached their peak yet. 215 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: But this is a position I think if the right 216 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: guy is there, whether you're talking at thirty or at 217 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: sixty two, I don't see Brian Goudacum is hesitating whatsoever 218 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: to make that pick and add to that defensive line 219 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: and hope that that's the next Kenny Clark, if that 220 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: guy is there for him. There's been a lot of 221 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: interviews and types of like things I've done leading up 222 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: to the draft here of people asking, you know, what 223 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: are the Packers going to do with number thirty Are 224 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: they gonna move up, are they gonna move back? Are 225 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: they going to go with receiver finally for the first 226 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: time in eighteen years. You don't know, But you can 227 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: go off of history and you can go off percentages. 228 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: If you were asking me, Okay, West, you gotta pick 229 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: a spot here, you have to pick a player. You 230 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: basically look at the past twenty years offensive line, defensive line, 231 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: that's more often or not been the way the Packers 232 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: have gone. And for that very reason, I always take 233 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: scouting those players, reading about those players very seriously because 234 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: as it goes back to that old adage that Ted 235 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: Thompson always used to say, you're familiar with him, Mike, 236 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure we bring it up on the show every year. 237 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: There's only so many of those guys on this planet, 238 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: and there's even fewer of them that can actually run, jump, 239 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: all those type of things that you look for in 240 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: a professional football player, and you put a premium on 241 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: that position. You look at where the Packers stand right now. 242 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark, I think undoubtedly is going to go down 243 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: is probably one of the top ten picks that Ted 244 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: Thompson had because he found him at the end of 245 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: the first round. And this is a guy that is now, 246 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: at twenty four years old, one of the best at 247 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: his position in the league. Dean Lowry signed the extension 248 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: last year. I'm sure if you ask Dean, he probably 249 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: wanted to make more of an impact than he was 250 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: able to. But still a very consistent, durable player for them. 251 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: Has not missed a game yet due to injury. And 252 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: those are your two building blocks are on the defensive line. 253 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: Who's going to be that third person though, because as 254 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: much as we have talked about all the league's moving 255 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: towards the passing league, we're seeing more two down lineman 256 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: looks Mike. I didn't run the actual percentages, but I 257 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: would I would have a hard time believing that base 258 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: defense has been down as much as I think everybody 259 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: says it is. Packers ran a lot of it last year, 260 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: whether it was a different type of variation, but they've 261 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: had a lot of three defensive linement on the field 262 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: at the same time. So you're looking at Montrevia Saidams, 263 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: You're looking at Kiki, You're looking at Tyler Lancaster. You 264 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: want to see those guys step up, but a lot 265 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: of times the best way to get the most out 266 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: of that room is to find a real nice athlete, 267 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: like they did with Kenny Clark in two thousand and sixteen, 268 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: throw them in there and let those guys, you know, 269 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: compete for that playing time. Well, that that's what I 270 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: think dictates what you do from a defensive perspective with 271 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: regard to your packages. Is what type of defensive lineman 272 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: do you have? And if the Packers, I mean Kenny 273 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: Clark is he's that every down, all around lineman. He 274 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: can he can stop the run, and he can take 275 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: on double team, he can get after the quarterback, he 276 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: can do all of those things. Well you add a 277 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: second guy who's just like that. I don't care whether 278 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: you call it nickel or bass or sub package, whatever 279 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: you wanna call it. If you have two guys like 280 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: that playing almost every down on the defensive line, your 281 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator has all kinds of flexibility with how he 282 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: wants to package everybody else at the linebacker level and 283 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: at the secondary level. So that's the kind of and 284 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: and that's how the San Francisco forty Niners, frankly the 285 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: defending NFC champions, that's how they built their defense. They 286 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: built their defense by spending first round picks or trading 287 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: or signing former first round picks to build that defensive line. 288 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: Now they ended up trading I believe it was DeForrest 289 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: Buckner this uh this offseason. So there's talk that the 290 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: forty Niners at number thirty one, picking right after the Packers, 291 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: might be in the market for another defensive lineman as 292 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: well because of their trade of of Bucker. They want 293 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: to try to keep that same style, that same core 294 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: of defense in terms of type of players to there 295 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: to make another run out of Super Bowl. So this 296 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: is gonna be really interesting to me how this shakes 297 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: out at the at the end of the first round, 298 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: because and we all know, the Packers didn't stop to 299 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: run well enough against San Francisco in January, and that's 300 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: why the forty Niners went to the Super Bowl. And 301 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: let's be honest, Mike, I'm gonna flash forward to a 302 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: year from right at this moment, I fully expect that 303 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: David Batr, Kenny Clark, both of those guys are gonna 304 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: be the long term plans for the Packers. I see 305 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: them being in for the next four or five years. 306 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: But in Clark's specific spot, you what you want to 307 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: do is you want to be able to build that up. Now, 308 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: whether it takes a first round pick or not, you 309 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: don't know, but you want to be able to use 310 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: him in different ways so he doesn't have to do everything, 311 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: because as great as Kenny Clark is, you can't always 312 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: expect him to play of the defensive snaps every single year, 313 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: especially as he gets older. You want to be smarter 314 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: with him. You want to take him out of certain 315 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: run packages. You want to be able to take him 316 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: out of certain pass packages. You want to maximize his 317 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: value and make sure that that guy is going to 318 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: give you a percent physically you know you're gonna get 319 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: it mentally, but being able to give everything he has 320 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: when he's on the field, that's why. And and you 321 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: know we'll get into some prospects here, but these last 322 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: few years, you know, you've had a guy or two 323 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: that you've mentioned, the one I always like to use 324 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: as Elvin Kamara. You were on that train before anybody else, 325 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: and I think Ross Blacklock is one of those guys. 326 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: This year. I didn't know Ross Blacklock until you brought 327 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: up his name at the NFL Scouting combine. And I've 328 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: done a lot of research on the young man. He 329 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: has a different body type than Clark. He's about the 330 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: same height, but he's a little smaller about pounds smaller. 331 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: But those two ninety pound defensive tackles, now, Mike, they're 332 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: infiltrating the league and they're making big impacts. That's a 333 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: guy that could potentially if the Packers would go that direction, 334 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: maybe take off some of those pass rushing duties from 335 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: Clark or being able to at least use them in 336 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: different ways to be able to give you more of 337 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: a two headed approach in the trenches. Yeah, and just 338 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: to to run down some names as far as guys 339 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: that are being talked about in that that late first 340 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: round or into the second round. On the defensive line. 341 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: You mentioned Blacklock from TCU. He's getting a lot of 342 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: a lot of publicity in terms of people wondering how 343 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: much the Packers are interested. Um Neville Gallimore from Oklahoma 344 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: would be another one. Marlon Davidson from Auburn. He was 345 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: another guy really intrigued me at the combine from a 346 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: personality standpoint. Really interesting guy and and just like I 347 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: was talking about with Georgia with the offensive tackles, Davidson 348 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: is sort of the second guy from Auburn. Because Derek Brown, 349 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: the top defensive lineman from Auburn, he's being talked about 350 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: as a possible top five, top ten pick. But then 351 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: Davidson is that is that second guy from that same 352 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: defensive line unit. Uh justin Mattabek if I'm saying that correctly, 353 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: from Texas A and M. And then also ray Kwon 354 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: Davis another one from Alabama. Um, who's been talked about 355 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: in that late first round or or second round, you know, 356 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: day two type of mix. So again, you just don't 357 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: always know where these guys are gonna go. And and 358 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, with a lot of these prospects, I mean, 359 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: as we talk about all the time was beauties in 360 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder. There are some teams who 361 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: will have certain guys rated as theft or twentie best 362 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: player in the entire draft on their board, that same 363 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: guy best guy on another team's board. So um, and 364 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: they you know, they guard those opinions as as well 365 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: as they can leading up to when the soul starts 366 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: next Thursday night. Yeah, just a touch on you know. Obviously, 367 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: Gallamore has such an interesting story Canadian and a guy 368 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: that went to a prep school I think his parents 369 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: are paying sixteen thousand dollars a year or something like 370 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: that for him to go. And you know Canada, you know, 371 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: the Great North is not known for a lot of 372 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: NFL prospects. Uh. And here was a guy that put 373 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: in everything he had to try getting a college scholarship. 374 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: He did that at Oklahoma, was very productive there. And 375 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: then also as you mentioned, made Bouki, Yeah, I can't 376 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: pronounce his name. He played last year or two years 377 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: ago with Kingsley Kiki, very similar type of skill sets. 378 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: He really came on as a senior. I think he 379 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: had eleven sacks or something like that. Um made book keep. 380 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to pronounce that. That That means 381 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: the Packers are gonna draft him, and I'm gonna have 382 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: to learn how to pronounce that. But it's those type 383 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: of guys that I think whether the Packers go first, 384 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: second round, if they want to go high with the 385 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: defensive linemen again, much like with the offensive line, a 386 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: lot of different guys that could really be a complimentary 387 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: piece and potentially help them out depending on what they're 388 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: looking for. Yeah, and just getting back to Blacklock for 389 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: a second, to he's the one who's uh father has 390 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: been the coach of the Harlem Globe Trotters. So I 391 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: I just his his story to me is is is 392 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: fascinating and like I said, with Davidson from Auburn Blacklock 393 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: from a personality standpoint, just a really interesting guy to 394 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: listen to him talk at the combine and and tell 395 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: his story. Um, there are definitely some some personalities in 396 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: this defensive line group and we'll see if if ultimately 397 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: one of them falls to the Packers at a place 398 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: that Brian Goudaquins feels there's good value to take one. Yeah, 399 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: and even if they don't take one of the first 400 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: three days, as I mentioned earlier, I think it goes 401 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: back to or ninety six somewhere around there was the 402 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: last time the Packers have not drafted a defensive lineman. 403 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: So death taxes and defensive lineman you can count on 404 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: them every year for the Green Bay Packers. Yeah. All right, Well, 405 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: with that we will sign off on this edition of 406 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. Will continue our position by position preview series 407 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: next week when we return. For now, thank you for watching, everybody, 408 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: enjoy your weekend, Take care and stay safe.