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Speaker 1: And the guy Michael Beach, if you're not familiar with him,

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Speaker 1: They're the stars of Chairs Today. Please watch it every

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Speaker 1: encompassing eighteen US markets. In addition to leading financial transaction

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Speaker 1: valued at over a half billion dollars in radio station

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Speaker 1: and related areas, his work has including business successes with

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Speaker 1: radio news networks like YouTube, Black Network, Radiers, Shared and

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Speaker 1: Broadcasting Network, American Urban Network, executive radio programs like uh Tom,

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Speaker 1: Join the Morning Show, the Womany Williams Experience, The Steve

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Speaker 1: Harvey Morning Show, formas like The Light, and the satellite

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Speaker 1: channel of a b T Uptown. He's an author, historian, speaker,

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Speaker 1: and retired broadcasting. His latest book is Well in Captains

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Speaker 1: of Color, America's First Meritocracy, which will be released on

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Speaker 1: June fifteenth and is available for pre order now. Please

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Speaker 1: welcome the Money Making Conversation The King. I called him

652
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: the King because he's the only reason I ever went

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00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: up to Martha Vineyrs. Skip Finley, Man, I I can't

654
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: wait for you to come back. I know you won't.

655
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back. Skip. Let's tell you know, there

656
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: was two thousand five. Everybody two thousand five, you know,

657
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: Steve Harvey and I we was was attempting to UH

658
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: put together a deal led by Skip uh to become

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00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: a morning drive and possibly syndicate with Clear Channel. At

660
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: the time, it was gonna be a joint partnership in

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Speaker 1: all this. And so Steve and I we went up

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00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: to Martha's Vineyon and had to be the coldest day

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00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: of the year in the summer. It was in the summer.

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Speaker 1: Remember it was in the summer, and Martha, oh my god,

665
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Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was, it was. It didn't

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Speaker 1: stop us from getting in business. And and that's that's important.

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00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: We back then in two thousand five when you you know,

668
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: Steve and I sat down with you guys, and you

669
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: guys were looking at uh you know the possibilities of

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00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: Union stations in South Carolina and stations in California. Of

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00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: course w b L last the flagship in New York.

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00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: What did you seeing uh Me as a manager back

673
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: then and Steve Harvey as a talent back then. Well,

674
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, I first one gets on the punch line.

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00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: To my knowledge to this day, that is the only

676
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: major media deal that was entirely conducted by black people. Absolutely,

677
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: we made all the decisions in that you know, that

678
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: short part of that week when we were up here,

679
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: But it was uh I was vice chairman the company,

680
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: the president company, you know, Peppi Sutton and I and

681
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Charles Warfield the president company. You know, we're all there.

682
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: Our chairman had the idea that there wasn't anything funny

683
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: in black radio and that might be a key to

684
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: success in Morning Drive. We certainly agree, you know, and

685
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: got a call of an interest from Rushawn. You know

686
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: how we like to talk to Steve Harvey. Well, we

687
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: went crazy, We fell out, of course, realistic. We knew

688
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: we couldn't afford them, So it was up to me

689
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: to figure out a way we could pay him. We

690
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: couldn't do it right. Then I was head out on

691
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: a vacation. They agree to come up to Martha's vineyards.

692
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: And the first funny story is my wife and I

693
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: went to pick them up, the whole group, and for

694
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Speaker 1: the airport. Ricky Anderson's attorney was with you, parents was

695
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: with you. We got to the airport and these good looking,

696
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: overly well dressed brothers come back to the terminal with

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Speaker 1: these tailor three piece suits. On the Martha's video. I'm

698
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: totally embarrassed because I'm there in a T shirt a

699
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: pair of short My wife is cute anyway, so it

700
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: didn't matter what she had on. So she's driving a

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Speaker 1: little town with a little convertible Mercedes and I'm driving,

702
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, my big f one fifty pickup troop. Well,

703
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: then the bags come out and they had these odd

704
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: shaped bags. I'm like, you know what what did these say? Well?

705
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: Those are I had bad y'all? Naad happened and if

706
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: you're do it gonna blow away? Well from there, um,

707
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, eight men sat down in the room and decided,

708
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, we generally liked and respected each other, and

709
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: every years we've heard because you know, since you know

710
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: success of the program, um, you know, most comedians side

711
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: they want to go and do that too. What we

712
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: knew Steve Harvey had already been a professional morning drive

713
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: announcer in the two next largest markets in the country,

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Speaker 1: Chicago and Los Angeles for eight years, had all the

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Speaker 1: experience doing the announcing, and just happened to be one

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Speaker 1: of the funniest men on the planet right. And I

717
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: think a lot of folks don't know. Cru Shan, you

718
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: too have a history and stand up and we like

719
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: to laugh. So being around a couple of brothers like

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Speaker 1: you guys who might to tell jokes was just amazing,

721
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, and help and help cement to deal. Well,

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00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, it was great. I always remember that that

723
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: that number we put out in the pippy sudden he

724
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: fell out and I said, wait, wait, wait, here's who

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00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: we can do. And I said, Steve, when come up

726
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: with half the dog and with another problem, we can

727
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: do this bonus thing. Well, I've got this idea on

728
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: how to get stations to pay rights fees to do

729
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: this instead of just giving us advertise and time to

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Speaker 1: go out and sell, which was the first time the

731
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: model had ever been used. Absolutely, absolutely, And I said,

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00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: I happened to know two guys at two radio networks

733
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Speaker 1: who would love to partner with us and distribute you know,

734
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: this steal. Once we put it all together and it

735
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: all started up there that and by the way, you know,

736
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: broadcast on the show from New York, where you're in

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00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: the publishing center of the world, you're in the television

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Speaker 1: center of the world. You're in the fashion center of

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00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: the world. Imagine Steve, what you can do us being there.

740
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: You've got books, you got movies, you've got fashions. You

741
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: need to open a comedy club. And at that time,

742
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: you guys are into health food absolutely, except for you're

743
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: trying to convince me. We have lunch at Mica that

744
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: day health food absolutely absolutely absolutely. In the restaurant still

745
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: talk about that. The man came over said, well, kids,

746
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Speaker 1: the desserts we like to have today. Rashawn says, remember

747
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Speaker 1: all of them. Thank you. I'm not not no, I'm

748
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: not the grand with all these tibles disserts. I'm like,

749
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: how does he stay so and tight eating like that?

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00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: But you know what, Skip, I wanted people to understand that,

751
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, when you see me, you especially when we

752
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: see Steve. He's an international star. Now you know that

753
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: that meeting, like you said, the African American man sitting

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00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: in the room negotiating, you know, and figuring it out,

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00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: and and and then putting us on the station, a

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00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 1: flagship station, WBLS, one of seven point five. That's still

757
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: little numbers because that's station right there. Man. We were

758
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: there for two years because that was part of the deal.

759
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: We had to stay up there for two years and

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00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: established ourselves in the New York market before we moved

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00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: down to Atlanta, Georgia. And in doing so, it really

762
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: it really played out to our advantage because of the

763
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: fact that Wendy Williams was in the afternoon. So here's

764
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Speaker 1: the station that has Steve Harve in the morning, Wendy

765
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Speaker 1: Williams in the afternoon. Can you imagine what was walking

766
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: through those doors. It was just it was just an

767
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: amazing amount of star power, amazing amount of energy, and

768
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: amazing amount of competition because and access and and the

769
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: money was the money was beyond ridiculous. It was beyond

770
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: all of our wildest dreams. But you know, I don't

771
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: want people to think that that was easy because it

772
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: was hard to get to that point. Absolutely, it was

773
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: hard for the two of you to get to the

774
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 1: pinnacle of career already before we got to sit down

775
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: and talk. We feel the same Charlie, Peppi and I

776
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: at that one time in history, we had between the

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00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: three of us more manna from an experienced in any

778
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: of the racial group in the entire country at the time.

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00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: I think we're like the number twenty one or twenty

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00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: second largest. One other part, I think, you know, important

781
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: for folks, you know, not to forget. Was it everybody

782
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: showed up earlier or on time and did what they

783
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: can do. Well. You know, nobody ever looked over their shoulder.

784
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Everybody you know, you guys with you all with the

785
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: best group of people I've ever worked with in my career,

786
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: and I'm talking forty eight years. We know something Skip

787
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: when I look at uh one thing about it, you know,

788
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: because Skip, way back then he loved the fish. You know,

789
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: He's always tell Steve and me, what's your come fishing?

790
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: Was we're looking to go fishing. I don't think I'm

791
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: gonna go fishing, but but he I'm just talking to

792
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: someone because I'm about to transition to the book. I'm

793
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: just talking about a guy who all wrong for two

794
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: thousand five. Way back there, he was always talking, I'm

795
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: going down in the Bahama, going down that fishing. You

796
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: guys gonna come with me, gonna fishing. He shows us

797
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: the picture of the boat, and then he show us

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00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: the history of all these other previous fishing trips, just

799
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: to assure us that this is what he did. That

800
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: don't when you go out there, you go catch some fish,

801
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna go out there with a novice.

802
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: This was skip. He laid it out so so so.

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00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: Fishing and water has always been part of his life.

804
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: He looks like a fisherman. If you see him, you go, yeah, yeah,

805
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: I could believe him. He could believe he could have

806
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: been that captain and Jawls and he could have been

807
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: that guy. He could have been he could have been

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00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: that guy in Jawls And so so when I when

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00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: I see this book, you know, you know it's about willing.

810
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: And we all know the important role at willing played

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Speaker 1: in in our industry. And you and you and you,

812
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: and you've written a comprehensive account over fifty sailors of

813
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: color who rose to captain Captain America's welling ships. Now

814
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: I talked to us about because I'm gonna tell you something, everybody,

815
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: i've read this book, the detail and the amount of

816
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: research that you've done on this book, Skip is phenomenal

817
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: as well as fascinating. Well, well, thank you how tight

818
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: Lotuin wrapped that. But you know, being being blessed, you know,

819
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Speaker 1: genetically and and being able to have a summer home

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00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: and growing up on Marths Viney during the summers. Ben

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Speaker 1: it happens to be one of the three whaling centers

822
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Speaker 1: of the whole wide world. Along the way when I

823
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: decided I wanted to be a writer. After broadcasting UM,

824
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Speaker 1: I was asked to write an article from Martha's Vineyard

825
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: magazine about William A. Martin, who was what they thought

826
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Speaker 1: was the black captain here in Martha's Venue. Well, I

827
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: started doing research. One thing led to another. One day

828
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: I said, how the hell did this guy get to

829
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Speaker 1: be a captain? This isn't like well, because I do

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Speaker 1: I am a D H D sin have a little

831
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: bit to o C D one thing, let do another.

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00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: Before I knew it, I bought and read over a

833
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: hundred books on whale. We're pretty much all the books

834
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: are on whaling. Started taking notes and the book came

835
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: out of it um and I was astounded to find

836
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: these guys. And it's that the actual number is fifty

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00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: two that I can confirm. There's another douzin. I'm not

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00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: sure if they were black or I'm not sure if

839
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: they were captain. Wasn't able to prove it because it's

840
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: so long ago. But half these men were wailing captains

841
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: before the Civil War, you know. So this is a

842
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: one of those hidden figures stories. And as I used

843
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: that expression hidden figures, I probably should give a shout

844
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 1: out to Mrs Johnson. Catherine Johnson, I understand, died today

845
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: the hundred years a hundred one years old. She was

846
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: a lady in in the movie Hidden Figures about NASA

847
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: and the Christie is the only one who's still alive, right,

848
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: hued role correct in the movie, right, I think so?

849
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: But but but I remember seeing that movie kind of

850
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: driving away from it, and I was like, damn, that

851
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: happened while we were live. We were how do we

852
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: not know that story? All right? And this is the

853
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: same story you know you're talking about. You know, these

854
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: guys altogether brought back was seventy million dollars worth of

855
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: whale products, you know, and where it wasn't about food,

856
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: it was about oil. This area than Sneck of the

857
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: Woods rhyme was pretty much the Middle East, Natuck and

858
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: New better monthes Vinyon. That was the oil. This is

859
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: the oil that lit our homes, that heated our homes,

860
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: eventually lit our streets and lubricatives the American railroads and

861
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: began the Industrial Revolution. And I've never heard a mention,

862
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: you know if these guys before, so I was astounded.

863
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: And that's to sent you what the book is about,

864
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, And it was. It was such a difficult activity.

865
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: About a hundred seventy five thousand people did it over

866
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: the course of its life, spanned two hundred forty some years.

867
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: Ninety sent those people only went once because it was

868
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: so difficult. Black guys didn't have any place else to go.

869
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: Could I want to come back in the next break

870
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: and get more detailed, because I want to know. I

871
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Speaker 1: would just tell everybody about this movie, that this telp

872
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: everybody about this book, the detail, the research. Um, wow,

873
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: that's all I have to say. Skip feeling be right

874
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: back on money making conversations. We'll be right back with

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881
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Speaker 1: thing in the world. And I talked about this in

882
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Speaker 1: my stand up. You are unique in every way. You

883
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: gotta look at what's unique and you and then capitalize

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885
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Speaker 1: money Making Conversations dot com. Hi, this is Roshan McDonald.

886
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: You're listening to money Making Conversations. I'm interviewing our Skip

887
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: family his new book Welling Captains of Color, America's first

888
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: merrit occracy. Um Skip tell us about we're talking about

889
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: the research. What exactly is a whalie master? Let's talk

890
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: about that. What exactly I want to I want to

891
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: start breaking down the word master and captain are used interchangeably.

892
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: Master really, though, is a better word, because that man

893
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: in charge of a whale ship was omnipotent. Okay, you know,

894
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: when you're on a trip that average three to four years,

895
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: and they were you couldn't have problems aboard ship. Where

896
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna go, when we're gonna go, telling me that. Okay. Now,

897
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: when a whaling ship went out, it didn't just go

898
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: out and come right back. No, no, no, no. They

899
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: went out and sailed the world. There's a there's a beautiful,

900
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: beautiful decorating map in the new Bedford Whaling Museum, and

901
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: it has an uncountable number of dots on it all

902
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: over the world, red dots and blue dots, you know,

903
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: standing for the type of whale, of regular whale, right

904
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: whale they called it, or sperm. You can't count them. Okay,

905
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: you know these were the men's These whaling captains in

906
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: chasing wales literally mapped our oceans as identified all of

907
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: the islands and all of the oceans around the world.

908
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: That's how long these trips took. The longest trip was

909
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: a little over eleven years. Okay, you know, as the

910
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: captains changed several times, the crew the same show times,

911
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: but the boat from place that left it came back

912
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: to eleven years. Okay, okay, you know all this. Now

913
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: you Rashan, read the book. Now I'm hearing you talk

914
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: very comfortably about this, but listeners are hearing this for

915
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: the first time. So a boat left the dock, let's

916
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: say New Effort of New Bedford. Okay, masters did that

917
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: comeback for almost eleven years? Yes? Okay, well, okay, how

918
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: did they get paid? When did they drop off the

919
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: r all? What was going on? All? Right? The boat

920
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: would leave most of the time. They'd leave New Bedford

921
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: up here in New England. They head over towards Cape Birdie,

922
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: which is off the coast of Africa. Along the way,

923
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: they would hunt for whales. Once they found a whale,

924
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: they would release. They would drop three or four smaller boats.

925
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: The men would row out. Six men would row over

926
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: to that whale. They got close enough, Holo, you got

927
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: off a big boat, got in a little bit of

928
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: boat and rowed to the big whale. That's right. And

929
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: then the big boat wasn't that big. The big boat

930
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: was like at long most of them that's not very big.

931
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: That's about six cars lined up leant. Okay, So they

932
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: get off the little bitty boat. You did. These little rowboats,

933
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: your little roadboats, and they chase the animals that are

934
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: a hundred feet you know, or here here's here's here's

935
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: a here's a football reference for you. Okay, the smallest

936
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: whale a dwarf sperm whales about three hounds, not the

937
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: size of a defensive tackle. Right right, right, right, right right,

938
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand pound blue whale is about the size

939
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: of the entire NFL. So these men would row a

940
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: boat over to one of these huge animals, you know,

941
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: eighty two, a hundred pounds, it's probably about the size.

942
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: They were rolling to it and stabbing and keep sticking

943
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: it and stabbing it until it died. Meanwhile, let's pulling

944
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: them all over so they might wind up. By time

945
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: the whale rolls over and dark, they're four miles away

946
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: from the big boat. Then they have to tow that

947
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: whale back to the boat, cut up into little tiny pieces,

948
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: put it in the fireplaces, melted down the oil on board.

949
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: They had the wood in the stage, they put the house.

950
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: Everybody in the studio going what what what see see?

951
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 1: You've done all this research that you see. We gotta

952
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: we gotta take all this in that okay whale because

953
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: I went well watching okay and the weald came close

954
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: to my boat. I told everybody, turn around, I'm out.

955
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was gonna be like this. Look

956
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: at everybody, you know, because I was on there with

957
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: some other tourist people. They were mad at me. I said, hey, hey,

958
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: y'all augustand but they didn't tell me that was this

959
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: big On TV they looked small, this little boat. I'm

960
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: an next two after I had all kind of ideas

961
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: in my head, I saw how close that whale came

962
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: to my boat. Now these people out there going out

963
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: there making a whale. That made me nervous. There was

964
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: a happy whale. That was a happy whale I was

965
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: running away from. They were making a whale that big,

966
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: angry and you ain't suck him. That's right, And chaces

967
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: are the wheal you saw. It was the right whale.

968
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: So it didn't have teeth like a sperm whale. That

969
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: was that was a highly valuable one. Their oil was

970
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: the best because it didn't make smoke when it burned.

971
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so they made candles out of it first.

972
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: That's how it all started. Okay, okay, okay. And by

973
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: the way, you know, thankfully, um we're watching is now

974
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: a bigger business than well killing ever was right, right, right,

975
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: But let's get back to the whale killing, because that's

976
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: what this book is all about, these these African American men.

977
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: But let me I could, let me correct this men

978
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: of color because you told in the book you said

979
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: this is not about African American men, because yeah, that

980
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: was when things are struck me immed least. It's like,

981
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, you know, a slave is not American, or

982
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: Withsinding is not American, Kate Brading is not American. But

983
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: they're all black, right, Okay, you can't call them are

984
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: black because a lot of them are Native Americans, you know,

985
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: who were mixed you know what our people, you know,

986
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: and may as well be called black because what they

987
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: called you know, um, you know, one drop makes you pure, right,

988
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: But you know, the basic one of the basis of

989
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: slavery and making their own slaves. You know that that's

990
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: in the book. But as the subjects right now, but

991
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: that's part of it, that's part of why you wrote this.

992
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: Because of the fact that here are men of color

993
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: who were leading non colored men on a boat they

994
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: could flog legally flog a white man on the whale

995
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: ship who they couldn't look in the eye in the

996
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 1: streets of South Carolina, Okay, and and and on and on.

997
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: But the point is, let me you know, it wasn't

998
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: so difficult killing the whale captain will cutting the whale up.

999
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: But life on the whale ship was awful. It was horrid.

1000
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 1: Your space was roughly the size of the back seat

1001
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: of an suv. For three or four years. People ask

1002
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: people ask me, you know what, how did black man

1003
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: become the captain? You know who? The answers when the

1004
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: crew looked around and you're twelve hundred miles off shore

1005
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: and the captain just dive, fell sicker, became incapacitated. You

1006
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: don't care who it is. You and we had the

1007
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: experience of all those trips we had taken. We learned

1008
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: how to do it right. But the beauty of also

1009
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: your storytelling this that you know this is about be rewarded.

1010
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: That's why your the title of your book comes from

1011
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: being rewarded for your talent, being rewarded for your skill,

1012
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: and not being held back based on the color of

1013
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: your skin. That's where the title comes from. Correct, These

1014
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: men lived. Martin Luther King set your dream right right right,

1015
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: because I was reading in your book you says that

1016
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: the well oil was peaked at two dollars and fifty

1017
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: five cents per gallon. Yeah, back then, and there's there's

1018
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: probably thirties, and there's about thirty five gallons per barrel,

1019
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: and a good and a good trip you're coming back

1020
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: with barrels, so it adds up fairly quickly. So basically

1021
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: that was just liquid gold back then, just liquid will

1022
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: Willing as a as a business enterprise was almost identically

1023
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: the model of venture capital today or what we call

1024
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: hedge funds and private equity funds. That was what that

1025
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: was how wailing went when the captain and the crew

1026
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: was incentivized, you know, based upon their performance. When you

1027
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: had a group of people all invested into the ventor,

1028
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: so a fifteen thousand nine whaling trips, each one was

1029
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: a separate business enterprise, and nobody cared who the captain

1030
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: was if he didn't bring the whale ship home with

1031
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: a full hall, as they used to say. And that's

1032
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: really really important now in this book, it was one

1033
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 1: captain in particular that you are inspired you to write

1034
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: this book. You mentioned his name, William Martin when you

1035
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: started writing about him. Didn't you discovered everything else? Correct? Yes, yeah,

1036
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: the but Matrenior magazine had done a special issue one

1037
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: time about the whaleship Charles W. Morgan. It's the last

1038
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: surviving whale ship was completely restored. They took it from Mystic,

1039
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: Connecticut and brought it to New Bedry, brought up to

1040
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: Martins Vineyard, Boston, a couple of other places because and

1041
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: when it came here to Marzavina, we wanted to the magazine,

1042
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, you know, really devote attention to it since

1043
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, seven or so of its captors were from

1044
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard. One of them did not happen to be

1045
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: Captain Martin. But that's why they asked me to write

1046
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: this piece about him, you know, because you know it's

1047
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: important to black well, you know, when they're doing I found,

1048
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: as it turns out, there were five black captains are

1049
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard guys, three that sailed from here, you know,

1050
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: which was which was astounding because no one knew this.

1051
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: I will venture to say the thirty five to forty

1052
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: of these fifty two people, most people in the whaling

1053
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: industry and researchers have not heard their names or would

1054
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: not have associated them with being black, which is which

1055
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: is a founding and that's that's you know that that's

1056
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: kind of exciting. But you know, if I got a

1057
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: little bit of that kind of nerd historian in me too. Well,

1058
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: the thing about you mentioned that about Martin in the

1059
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: book he was talking about you know, very rarely do

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Speaker 1: they mention his color in the book at all. That's

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00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: true of most captains. And in the logs, the captain

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00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: writes the lock, so he didn't have to put that

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00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: information in there. It's when the when the crew gets

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00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: on board the ship. You know, they had a man,

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00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: the customs officer, and he would jot down the name,

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00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: the heighten, the you know, how the people looked the

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00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: race and things like that, you know, on a piece

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00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: of paper, and it would be attendant with the log

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00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: with the owners. They know who was on the boat,

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00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: and they could compare it with you know, when they

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00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: came back. But if it wasn't for what that was

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Speaker 1: called the um um semens protection papers, I would not

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Speaker 1: have been able to find any of this. Now today

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Speaker 1: you can't even keep that information about the people, which

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00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: is you know, and and they started the seams protection

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00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: papers dating back to the Revolutionary War when the British,

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00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, would impress our people, and we didn't really

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00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: have a sailing fleet until the War of eighteen twelve,

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00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: when they continued to impress our people and the ship

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00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: the seamens protection papers function like a passport. This is

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Speaker 1: who you are and where you're from. And then the

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00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: story is astounding. And what I tried to do was

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00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: it was to right it, you know, you know, in

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Speaker 1: a way that it would be easy to read, easy

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00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: to comprehend without you know, all the facts and you

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00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: and you accomplished it hard and so bad. I highlighted

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00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: how hard it was, right, which is the reason we

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00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: went and other people didn't. But the you know, the

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Speaker 1: young sixteen year old, you know, blue eye, blonde haired

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Speaker 1: kids from the town of Agatime, you know, thinking I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go out and make my fortune on this

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00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: whale boat. You know, by time he had gone two

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00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: booze off shore about sixteen miles, he spent the last

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00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: week throwing up, I want to go home, right right,

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Speaker 1: you know I I we was talking about earlier. I

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Speaker 1: want you. I want you because I was so astounded

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00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: by you talking about how will as a captured walk

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00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: us through that step again, because I want to make

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00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: sure my audience here is the whole process without me interrupting.

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Speaker 1: They spot a whale, right well here, here's here's the

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Speaker 1: are sequence. You you hear, you know, it's it's dead

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Speaker 1: quiet boats sailing, you know, in the breeze. Somebody's and

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Speaker 1: man says the blows and everybody jumps up and the

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Speaker 1: adrenaline starts pumping. They go to those three whale boats.

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Speaker 1: They lower those boats into the water, six guys in

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Speaker 1: each boat. They roll as fast as they can towards

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Speaker 1: where the guys pointing to see that whale. They wait

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Speaker 1: until they see the spout. They get closer and closer

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Speaker 1: and closer. Everybody's quiet. One guy, the harpooner, you know,

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Speaker 1: gets up in front of the boat and he throws

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Speaker 1: out harpoon into the whale. The record, by the way,

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Speaker 1: which I have in the book, is about forty ft.

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Speaker 1: In other words, every other whale what you were closer

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Speaker 1: to it in a thirty ft boat. So when your

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Speaker 1: friend says I got a boat, his boat, probably thirty

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Speaker 1: ft are bigger. That's what these six guys are using

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Speaker 1: to row after these after these whales. They stavastavastav with

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Speaker 1: sperm whale. You know, all of a sudden, when it

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Speaker 1: spouts red, they know the fish is gonna die. Then

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Speaker 1: it rolls over, which is called the flurry. They tie

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Speaker 1: ropes to it, and they row that boat and tow

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Speaker 1: that big heavy thing back. So if there were times

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Speaker 1: if you're four miles away from the main boat, okay,

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Speaker 1: you may be wrong the most of the night, not

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Speaker 1: missing a beat. You get back up to the boat.

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01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: They tie this thing alongside. Then they begin the process

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Speaker 1: of butchering it. But you also have to worry about

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Speaker 1: sharks too. Correct the sharks are are eating it while

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Speaker 1: they're towing it. They're eating it while it's being butchered.

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Speaker 1: The smells are awful. People have said to me, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, what's the worst part about besides things

1132
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Speaker 1: like what are some of the worst things about? I said, well,

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Speaker 1: there's two stories that I that I read about whaling

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Speaker 1: um Lue. Was he as a man's in his bunk

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Speaker 1: in the fossil and he's not that concerned about being

1136
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Speaker 1: completely completely covered with roaches because they're eating the bed bugs.

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Speaker 1: Another was they washed their clothes in urine. They have

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Speaker 1: a communal power. You know, you know, fresh water goes

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Speaker 1: bad on the boat, so they drank other things. But

1140
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Speaker 1: how bad did your clothes smell? That urine was a

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Speaker 1: substitute to clean your clothes for three to four years?

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Speaker 1: This is your experience. But if that's your experience, you know,

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Speaker 1: versus being on a on a plantation someplaces, I don't know, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know a skip uh. I

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Speaker 1: would thank you for calling my show man. You are

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Speaker 1: as just as engaging and entertaining as as I've known

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Speaker 1: you all those years. Again, the book is out. You

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Speaker 1: I believe it's the official and please by now because

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Speaker 1: it counts towards your first week sales and I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to get towards at least one of those best seller lists. Okay, cool, Well,

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Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. I won't give

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Speaker 1: me a banner. I'm gonna put in on all my

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Speaker 1: You know that I'm a fan of this book, A

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Speaker 1: And I want to get in line before a lot

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Speaker 1: the on the fictional treatment of a slave who becomes

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Speaker 1: a wailing captain. The fact that's how his name is

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Speaker 1: Jubul My friend, we will talk soon. Thank you, But

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Speaker 1: your State Forrester, and the ad Council. Back my next

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Speaker 1: guest the founder, CEO and owner of Keiko Stretch Studios

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Speaker 1: that's headquarters in New Jersey. She's the youngest female franchiser

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Speaker 1: in the US. She also has been named one of

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Speaker 1: the top female entrepreneurs ofeen by Huffington Post and has

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Speaker 1: been featured in Shape Magazine, New York Times, Men's Fitness

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Speaker 1: and More, Launch and twenty eleven. The Kicker Stretched Studios

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Speaker 1: franchise includes eleven locations in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas,

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Speaker 1: and Nevada. Please welcome to money making Conversations, Kika Wise,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Well, I had to get it

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Speaker 1: all out, you know, I had to get it all Yes,

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Speaker 1: that was awesome. Well, you know, you're awesome person because

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Speaker 1: he was able to. Uh. I always tell people that

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Speaker 1: we hear the worst throwing out there. A lot of

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Speaker 1: passion gifts. Follow your dreams. You know, before you found

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Speaker 1: this particular dream, you was headed in a different direction

1205
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Speaker 1: with your career, correct abolutely. So I actually was a

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01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: professional dancer and actress, and so I performed and acted

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Speaker 1: in the industry for a while. And then um, I

1208
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: was about to have his son. I was pregnant with

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Speaker 1: his son, and so at that moment, I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I really need to find something that's been a little

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Speaker 1: bit more stable, because I want to offer him things

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Speaker 1: that I couldn't do when I was a child. So

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Speaker 1: that's when I decided that I start a business or

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Speaker 1: go back to school. And so people said, don't start

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Speaker 1: a business. Most businesses fell blah blah, blah, you know

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Speaker 1: that statistics in the first three years. Those haters are

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Speaker 1: out there right, they tell you, I don't understand your dream,

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Speaker 1: but don't start it. I don't know what you dream,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand the work or your plan, but don't

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Speaker 1: start it exactly, So I started it, um and yeah,

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Speaker 1: history started. Then let me do you know you you

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Speaker 1: say that I started it? What did you started? Well,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about that that first idea, you know, because

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Speaker 1: you know, I remember when I started doing stand up.

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: I remember my first comedy club. It wasn't a place

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Speaker 1: where I originally started it, but it was a starting

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Speaker 1: point and eventually enabled me to go where I really became.

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Speaker 1: Now you are, you know level franchises around the country.

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Speaker 1: Where did the first studio start? So I opened the

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Speaker 1: first studio in Montclair, New Jersey, on top of a CBS.

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Speaker 1: It's a pharmacy. So I shared the room with a

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Speaker 1: real estate agent. So I had like half of a

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Speaker 1: room the side of a closet, and I had a

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Speaker 1: mat and I had a ball, And so I decided,

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Speaker 1: let me start stretching people the way. You know I

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Speaker 1: love to stretch as a dancer. So I created a

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Speaker 1: routine that was based on my own routine, but I

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Speaker 1: replaced gravity with the stretch coach, which is the person

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Speaker 1: that helps the person stretch. So I started with one

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Speaker 1: client on he bought his first package. I was so excited,

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01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: like this man actually gave me two hundred dollars for

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01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: two This is a great idea. So that gave me

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Speaker 1: more power to move forward. So you one person, one person,

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Speaker 1: you saw a future, you saw an opportunity, you saw

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Speaker 1: a vision, you saw Wow, I could do this. Yes,

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Speaker 1: people said you're either onto something or you're crazy. But

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Speaker 1: the motivating the motivating factor at the time was my

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Speaker 1: son and to provide for him to also be a

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Speaker 1: part of his life. Like fast forward to today, I

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Speaker 1: still drop my son off at school and I picked

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Speaker 1: come up on most days, so that was very important

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Speaker 1: to me. So my wife was so big, like no

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Speaker 1: matter what the hater said, I was like, I didn't listen.

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Speaker 1: I just kept going because I knew I could do

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Speaker 1: it on behalf of my son. So yeah, no, here's

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Speaker 1: a great thing about what I'm talking to. Kika he's

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Speaker 1: the found CEO and owner and U of Kika Stretch Studios,

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Speaker 1: which is franchised and eleven locations around the country New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: New York, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas, in Nevada, now, Kika, I

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Speaker 1: live in Texas. I have a home in Houston, and

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Speaker 1: I have a home in Atlanta, Georgia. We're in Texas

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Speaker 1: and we're in Atlanta. Are you located? So we're in

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Speaker 1: located in Dallas, Texas, um in the Highland Park area.

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Speaker 1: And actually our Atlanta studio is in the heart of

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Speaker 1: Buckhead and they just moved into a bigger location. So

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Speaker 1: you would love it. You have to stop by. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop by. Let me just tell you about

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Speaker 1: you know, I always tell people when they come on

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Speaker 1: my show when I when I have a personal experience,

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Speaker 1: I always try to share just to validate why this

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Speaker 1: interview is important, not only to meet to my people

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Speaker 1: who listening to the show, or because of the fact

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01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: that stretching change my life in a sense. So because

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01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: I travel a lot and I did that, I did

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Speaker 1: this system, you know, I walk walker by Holliday and

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01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: I would do lightweight and all that stuff. But I

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Speaker 1: was my core was failing me. Okay, And because I

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01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: fly a lot. I remember last year I did a

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty one one way trips, which is like

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Speaker 1: sixty one round trips in one year. And so no matter,

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Speaker 1: I don't care if his first class C conferences, he

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Speaker 1: didn't matter. He still was at that little angle, okay,

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01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: and so and so when I when I was and

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Speaker 1: so so and my daughter it was fun to have

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Speaker 1: my daughter. She was a former professional tennis player. And

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Speaker 1: my wife would always tell it stretch, and I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't listen to it, whatever, whatever. And I was

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Speaker 1: just going there and lift my little weights. Hey, I was.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was looking fine. I was looking fine. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it was working for me. It was working for me, okay,

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01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: and then but it wasn't working for me. You know,

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01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,839
Speaker 1: my neck was still barred in my back, my my, my, my,

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: My stride was getting shorter and shorter. I could tell.

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Speaker 1: And when I wanted to walk, I had to make

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Speaker 1: an effort to walk like I wanted to walk. And

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Speaker 1: it wasn't until I started stretch, seene that it changed.

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Speaker 1: It changed and and and and it wasn't like and

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Speaker 1: so that's what I do now. And I want to

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Speaker 1: tell you something, my my, I think my body looks

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Speaker 1: better than it has ever loved. I have no love handles,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and and my my core and my

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01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: back issues. My my flexibility is amazing and my stride

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01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 1: is comfortable. Now I don't have to make an effort,

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01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: and I don't walk like an old person anymore. Exactly. Yeah.

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01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: People have always slept, you know, stretching like, oh, it's

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01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: not it's not cool, it's boring. So what I really

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01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: tried to do is make it a unique experience so

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Speaker 1: people would love to do it. And it's just so

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01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: powerful for mentally, for your brain, for the blow flow

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Speaker 1: of blood throughout your whole body, to prevent injuries, and

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01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: just to reset your mind. Because people are so stressed

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01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: out and they're just so tense. They think it's normal.

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01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: But then when they come into our studio and they

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Speaker 1: lie there for an hour and have someone struts them

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01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: out there like I d this, you know, it really

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Speaker 1: is amazing. I'm a very close friend. Uh he was.

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Speaker 1: He was just diagnosed with first stage Parkinson, and we talked.

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Speaker 1: We talked, and uh, he's fifty one and I told hey,

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 1: and I told him mysel look, I said, start stretching.

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Speaker 1: I should just start stretching. He called me a week

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01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: later and said, man, I can't believe how better how

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01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: I feel. It makes a huge difference. And I just

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01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: got to say that I'm not saying this is a

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Speaker 1: miracle drug. This is just taking your natural body and

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Speaker 1: relaxing it and stretching it. And and that's why I

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01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: feel that what you're doing is important. We all we

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01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of things out there. We have hot yoga,

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01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: we got peloton, we got we got you know, pilate

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: and all that. I'm a stretched man, Nakika, I'm your

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01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm your boy. Now you definite, I'm your boy. I'm coming.

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01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you know because I was so funny.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was just three weeks ago. I was

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Speaker 1: about to sign up for a parlateic class because I

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01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: live in uh Alpharetta area. Buckhead is where actually where

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Speaker 1: the studios is where I record my show, and so

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Speaker 1: we also have we also have a location in finding.

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's you on point with me? Okay,

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01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: me and you me and you're really good and so

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01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: so I just I just can't wait. You open the

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01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: location in d C. So I can tell my friend,

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01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: so we can go there and let let let's never

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01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: just explain to everybody what happens with the Kika method. Now,

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01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: if you're dealing with a chy muscles, which especially around

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01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: the neck, shoulders, and other core muscles, that's what we're

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: talking about. The core muscles, which I don't have a

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: problem with anymore, and the pain or stiffness enjoining muscles.

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01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: That's what I was talking about. My stride. My stride

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01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 1: was getting shorter. I thought I thought I was still

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01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: being but I was just really making a lot more

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01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: effort for a shorter distance, okay, and then muscle cramps

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: and limited range of motion right there, right there, and

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: let me you know, somebody just telling people who get

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01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: over fifty okay, and that's me, okay. And so what

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01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: happened sixty seventy and what happens is and this is

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Speaker 1: where I discover. That's why I'm so excited about this

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01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: interview with you. And we're about to get out of

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Speaker 1: this break, and what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna I'm

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01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: gonna go to the next break because you know, I'm

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01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: enjoying myself. I hope you enjoying this interview because because

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01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: the fact that you're changing people's lives and I want

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01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: to motive, motivate people understand that that what what you

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01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: what somebody told you was a bad idea that started

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01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: with one person and two d dollar is going to

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Speaker 1: be saving lives, are gonna be improving the quality of

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Speaker 1: life for so many people. And and it's some common

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01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: sense things that you see every day. You see athletes,

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01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: professional athletes, football players before they played, they stretched. They

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01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: show you stretch basketball players. If you go to a

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01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,879
Speaker 1: game prior to the game, go early basketball players. They're stretching.

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Speaker 1: They're stretching. They're not stretching because they just like to stretch.

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01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: They know that's how they can play longer and gonna

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01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: get don't get injured. Okay, that's key, that's key. That's key.

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01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: So when we come back, we're gonna have more an

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Speaker 1: incredible conversation I'm having right with Keiko, the owner. Keiko

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Speaker 1: Wis is a full name, Kiko Kika Stretch Studios. She's

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Speaker 1: the CEO and owner and owner. We'll be right back

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01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: with more money making conversations. I went and doing a break.

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01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a little stretching. We'll be right back

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: with more from March McDonald and money making Conversations don't

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Speaker 1: touch that, dob. Hi, this is Rushan McDonald, the host

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Speaker 1: of money Making Conversation. You say to yourself, who calls

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Speaker 1: Are you always? Talk to you about everything? Everything? And

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Speaker 1: looking at you and Steve Harvey. You know that motivated

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Speaker 1: me too because I would see all the amazing things

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Speaker 1: you guys are doing it not just being on the

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Speaker 1: radio at that time and even now you know people

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Speaker 1: want to put people in boxes. Please welcome to Money

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Speaker 1: listening to Money Making Conversations. She launched it in so

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Speaker 1: the idea. People told it was a bad idea. While

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Speaker 1: you're wasting your time, Go back to school, go to

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Speaker 1: something that they could understand. That's why I was talking

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Speaker 1: about money making conversations that a lot of people tell

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Speaker 1: your tell you your ideas are bad because they have

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Speaker 1: not taken the time to understand your idea. So that

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Speaker 1: what they do is they they walk or they wrap

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Speaker 1: their information or their comments about what they know, what

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Speaker 1: they understand, what they can relate to. So that's what

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Speaker 1: mentorship comes into play. That's where you have to surround

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Speaker 1: yourself with people who are like minded so they won't

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Speaker 1: shut down your idea. They won't shut down I remember

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Speaker 1: when I was at IBM and and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be a stand up comic. And I went to some

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Speaker 1: people who were working normal for the all week jobs

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Speaker 1: and told him I was going to be a stand

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Speaker 1: up comic. I was gonna leave IBM. They went, that's

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Speaker 1: a dumb idea. You don't leave a steady check, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna leave health benefits, you're gonna leave a retirement package,

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01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: and how much money are you gonna make? And honestly

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Speaker 1: told them, I don't know. Well, the insus came faster

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Speaker 1: and so and so that's why I always tell people,

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Speaker 1: you know, we all have passion, we all have dreams.

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Speaker 1: And Kiko, when I look at what you're doing and

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01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 1: your millennial and a lot of millennials get get a

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01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: bad rap. You know they wanted faster, you know they

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01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 1: you know they I want to work hard for. I'll

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Speaker 1: just tell you if I was your age and I

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Speaker 1: had the technology that you have available to you today,

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01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, I'll be they'd be bad

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Speaker 1: mother for Rishan because maybe bad mom left it right.

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01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: And my social my social media be on fire. I

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01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't be talking to nobody. I'll be I'll be walking

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Speaker 1: around my phone. I wouldn't have a big screen TV.

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01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: I'll be doing everything on my phone because that's where

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Speaker 1: my life here, that's where I feel comfortable with. And

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01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: so when I look at your with what this is

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Speaker 1: what I love about what you're doing. You're millennial that

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Speaker 1: has found the secret sauce for people my age. Yes,

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01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: and that's beautiful, that's beautiful. Yeah. Most people just focus

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01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: on millennials like, oh, we have to build our business

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01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: models to attract millennials. Millennials, and we're sitting here like,

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01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: what makes it so special? What about everybody else, you know,

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01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: other generations, and so there hasn't really been too many

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01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: models for it for baby boomers. Don't get me wrong,

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01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: you have clients as young as seven years old. That comes,

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01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: But do you you have a large majority of baby boomers.

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01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: They are seeking you know, one on one attention. They

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01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: don't want to be in rooms full of people stretching

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Speaker 1: on you know, so that really is it? Really is well,

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Speaker 1: you know the beauty of it, and this is a

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01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: very good interview. You know, people said, well, what does

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01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: this have to do with entrepreneurship, What does this have

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01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: to do with career planning? Because if you do not

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01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: physically right, mentally right, then the dreams that you're trying

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01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: to pursue in life will not be reached comfortably. And

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01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: that's what you were on to do in life. You're

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01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 1: trying to comfortably get to the end, to the end game.

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Speaker 1: The end game is all these dreams you have in placed,

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01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: all these goals you're have in place that you can

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01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: get up every day out of bed and then go

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01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: to bed when you want to and not complain because

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Speaker 1: the physicality of that effort is key to whether you're

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Speaker 1: gonna accomplish any of those goals. So when someone comes

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Speaker 1: to your studio, Kicker Stretch Studio, walk us through the process.

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01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 1: So you would come in um, you would fill out

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01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: a labor and take form, so they're gonna let us

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01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: know everything you're experiencing in your body, if you have

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01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: any injuries, if you have any pain, then we're gonna

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01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: bring you through a presentation that shows you, like an

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Speaker 1: old school PowerPoint presentation about what we're about to do,

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Speaker 1: how it's going to be beneficial to you. And then

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Speaker 1: we take you through a form that actually hones in

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Speaker 1: on the exact reason why you came into the studio today.

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01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: So based on that, that's gonna be our goal for

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01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: the entire experience. So if you tell us my hamstrings

1476
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: have been sore for years, we're gonna target your hamstrings

1477
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: and help unlock that part of your body. What most

1478
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 1: people don't realize is it's usually one muscle group that's

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01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: preventing your whole body from relaxing. So once we unlock that,

1480
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,839
Speaker 1: then you'll be able to live more free. We also

1481
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: measure your stretch age, so we have a measuring system

1482
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: where we tell you how with you our flexibility wise

1483
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: and not. It does not have anything to do with

1484
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: your actual birth age. Is completely based on your flexibility.

1485
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: So we compare that number before the session and after

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01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: the session. Usually after the session people get or lose

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01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: three inches of tension after forty five minutes. So yeah,

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01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: we're providing all types of results. I mean, that's the

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01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: wild moment that what what what y? Yeah? Yeah, some

1490
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: people see it like, wow, I feel better, but I

1491
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: have visible results that I've done better than I have

1492
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: in thirty years, justin forty five minutes. You know, it's

1493
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,719
Speaker 1: really interesting when I when I when I finally listened

1494
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: to my wife, finally finally got my behind on the floor. Okay,

1495
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: I I had pads everywhere. Wasn't like I wasn't like

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01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 1: I didn't have access to it. If my mind went

1497
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: this will do nothing for me. This is a w

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01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:00,080
Speaker 1: why stretchy? What? What is there? What is the the

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01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 1: fit of that? And all the while I'm complaining, Like

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01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: you said, I had this muscle group, and the muscle

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01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: group that was bothering me was my right but tex

1502
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: area that's kind of little above my right hip. I

1503
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: mean I would I would lean and I would walk

1504
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: I would waddle, I would walk, I would do ever

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01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: to put some ice on it, icy hot everything. Yes,

1506
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 1: I was a denial. I needed you, kick up. What

1507
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: were you at? I needed you? And the thing is like,

1508
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: people can only go so far on their own. So

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01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: like I stretched by myself all the time, but I'm

1510
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: just stretching by myself. It really takes just like you said,

1511
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: mentors help you get enough level in life, It really

1512
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: takes a stretches to help you get to another level physically,

1513
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: a place where you've never experienced before, a place of

1514
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: freedom all through your body. You need help. You can't

1515
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: do it on your own because people are like, oh, yeah,

1516
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, I've been stretching for years. But then we

1517
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: look at them like, why are you so tight? Because

1518
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 1: you've been stretching by yourself for years. So what we've

1519
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: really done is developed a way for people to receive

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01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: freedom within their own bodies. And in two eleven I

1521
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: was the only one doing it. Now we have competitors

1522
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,480
Speaker 1: who are emulating what we've set up. So it's it's

1523
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: and people always ask me like, wow, how do you

1524
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: feel about that? And I tell them I'm honored. I

1525
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: started an industry and these huge companies are trying to

1526
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: mimic it like it's it's a great feeling. Well, you know,

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01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: I guess first of all, you know they are not

1528
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: only money to make conversations. Don't money make conversation because

1529
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: because you have a passionate vos here, it's gonna always

1530
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: shout out your name and your brain to come to

1531
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 1: show up in class and start stretching. You can help me,

1532
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,719
Speaker 1: you flex here, a flexible. I could bend a little

1533
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 1: bit more. Come on, I could work with that. Make

1534
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:55,560
Speaker 1: up about five words before we finished this show. But

1535
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: let's talk about this a little bit of the business side,

1536
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: because we're talked about franchises, and you know, it's always easy.

1537
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: You know when you when you control the baby, you

1538
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: know the you know the food come out you're cooking

1539
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: in that oven because you're around it all the time.

1540
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: When you start telling franchises, you know, that's just your brand.

1541
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: And then you put your brand in the hands of

1542
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: somebody else and trusted them. The money is fine, but

1543
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: it's still your name's up there. How do you how

1544
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: did you get past that? And what are the benefits

1545
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: of you know, of franchising? So actually, okay, so I

1546
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: just had this conversation with someone. So I mentor people

1547
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: and I helped them franchise their own businesses too. So

1548
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: one of the things he said was, I'm horrible with

1549
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: people work. I'm I'm not worriedle locations, but I'm just

1550
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: not organized enough to make it grow. And that's one

1551
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: of the benefits of having franchise e s. You can

1552
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: find franchise partners who are great in areas that you're

1553
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: not great at, bring them on, and then together as

1554
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: a unit your whole. So one of the things that

1555
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: I've really learned this year specifically is the power of

1556
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: having exceptional franchise e s. And you know, when I

1557
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 1: first started, I used to say, oh, this is what

1558
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: we can do for you, this is what we can

1559
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: offer you, and then I say, I need to ask

1560
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: what can you offer us? What can you offer me?

1561
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: What can you offer the brand? And so that's definitely

1562
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: something very important for people to ask, like when franchising,

1563
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: what is this franchise, how are they going to help you?

1564
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 1: And what can they add to the whole methode. So really,

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01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's really because it is that that they

1566
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: have the right to ask that question because everybody they

1567
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: see an opportunity to see an opportunity to make money.

1568
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: That's when we have to put the pump the brakes

1569
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: right there. Okay, I got that. But it also is

1570
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: the work you're willing to put in. Do you care

1571
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: about the brand and do you care about the people

1572
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: that are gonna be coming through their due because that's

1573
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: where the customer relationships come in. That's when you can

1574
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: get the ugly other good social med your posts and

1575
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: when the social media post goes out there, that's across

1576
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: the brand. Okay, that's across the brand. And so and

1577
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: I was reading I was reading in your bios and

1578
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: there are three valuable pieces of advice about franchising. One,

1579
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: be passionate about whatever opportunity to you are pursuing. Too,

1580
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 1: you don't have to quit your job to go after

1581
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: your dream. Work your way into it. To tell people

1582
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: all the time, if you're feeling overwhelmed, I love this, delegate, Delegate, Delegate, Yes,

1583
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: every day I asked myself, what else can I delegate

1584
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:41,600
Speaker 1: because I'm feeling overwhelmed. That's that's honestly the That's the

1585
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: point of being in business to offer jobs to people.

1586
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: So you shouldn't be trying to do everything. You should

1587
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: be offering these opportunities to others and helping their families.

1588
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: Bro not just yours, now your studios, your method? Can

1589
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: you do? We walk through your method a couple of

1590
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: Can you just explain your method a little bit more

1591
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 1: before you wrap up the show so I can make

1592
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: sure everybody understand what exactly is the key up method? Yep.

1593
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: So it's based on the dancers approach of stretching. So

1594
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 1: we use stretch coaches that replace gravity. So as the

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01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: client lies on a custom max you're lying on a

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01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: mat the whole time. We teach you how to completely

1597
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: let go of all of your tensions, so you're lying

1598
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: their length and we follow your breath pattern to add

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01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: this stretch. So imagine lying there completely length. You don't

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01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: have to hold your body up, You just relaxed and

1601
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: having someone take you a bit further than you could

1602
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: ever go on home, and that we do your entire body.

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01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: We end it with a little bit of attention relief

1604
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: um treatment on your back and then you stand up

1605
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: and you feel like a new person. Okay, I need

1606
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: to bring a pillow, blanket. We have stretch specific till

1607
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: you can't take a nappy. I know how you about

1608
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: to look over the rich risht risht rischhot. If I

1609
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: start snoring in the bucketat class, that's me somebody. But

1610
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 1: this guy came in. He was dressed nice and then

1611
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: he went to sleep in the right in the middle.

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01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: There you go. I love it, I love it. I

1613
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 1: love it. So what's the future. What's the future Kika

1614
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 1: Stretch Studio. What's the future in eleven eleven locations? What

1615
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: is the future? Yeah, So this year we're looking to

1616
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: add seven more franchisees uh uh, qualified candidates that can

1617
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: really add to the overall brand. UM. So, of course

1618
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 1: scaling and adding UM to the unit is always important.

1619
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: But then we're also working on creating a franchise university

1620
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: of some sorts, some people who maybe don't have enough

1621
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: money to get involved with, people who don't see it

1622
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: as being an outlet, a way to you know, grow UM.

1623
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: We're looking to educate people on exactly what franchising is

1624
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: because there's not really too much out there, so we're

1625
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: looking to help everyone. Wow, I'm talking to the youngest

1626
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: female franchiser in the US, and UM Top Female Entrepreneur

1627
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: was named Top Female entrepreneur by Huffington Post and she's amazing. Uh,

1628
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: eleven locations in counting. She wants seven more or more

1629
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: seven or more in not don't limit ourselves on the number.

1630
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 1: If if toy of comes, she's cool because she knows

1631
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: how to delegate delegate delegate. Well, this is awesome. First

1632
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: of all, I'm a fan of yours and uh, I

1633
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 1: would definitely push anything that you have. I definitely want

1634
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 1: some some some banners. If you want me to post

1635
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: it on my social media, I would feel free to

1636
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: send them to you because because I know what stretching

1637
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: has done for me, and I have not been to

1638
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: your studio. I've been not been in your location. So

1639
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: the excitement of going in there knowing that you can

1640
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: take me to another level and make my life better,

1641
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: and I know where the impact of I'm doing it

1642
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: in an amateur manner. I'm about to go into a

1643
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: world with professionals. Tell you, with Seawan, you're doing good,

1644
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: but that is what you can do better. And I'm

1645
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: gonna tell you something. If you can make me do

1646
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 1: better than what I'm doing now, Wow, because I'm feeling

1647
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: great right now and you're telling me what Sean there's

1648
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: another level, and you come to my studios. Will take

1649
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 1: care of you. I want to thank you for being

1650
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: on my show. I hope you enjoyed it. Thank you

1651
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: so much. If I could be you and you could

1652
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: be me for just one hour, if you could find

1653
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 1: a way to get inside each other's mind, walk a

1654
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: mile in my shoes, wacome mile in my shoes. Shoes.

1655
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: We've all felt left out, and for some that feeling

1656
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 1: lasts more than a moment. We can change that, learn

1657
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: how it belonging and begins with us. Dot org brought

1658
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: to you by the ACT Council. Welcome out in the shoes.

1659
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: What grows in the forest trees? Sure you know what

1660
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: else grows in the forest, Our imagination, our sense of wonder,

1661
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 1: and our family bonds grow too us. When we disconnect

1662
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 1: from this and connect with this, we reconnect with each other.

1663
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: The forest is closer than you think. Find a forest

1664
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 1: near you and start exploring. I discover the fourth dot

1665
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: org brought to you by the United States Forth Service

1666
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: and the AD Council. And we're live here outside the

1667
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 1: Perez family home, just waiting for the and there they go,

1668
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: almost on time. This morning, Mom is coming out the

1669
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: front door, strong with a double arm kid carry. Looks

1670
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: like Dad has the bags. Daughter is bringing up the rear.

1671
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Oh but the diaper bag wasn't closed. Diapers and toys

1672
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: are everywhere. Oh but mom has just nailed the perfect

1673
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: car seat buckle for the toddler. And now the eldest daughter,

1674
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: who looks to be about nine or ten, has secured

1675
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 1: herself in the booster seat. Dad zips the bad clothes

1676
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 1: and they're off. Ah, but looks like mom doesn't realize

1677
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: her coffee cup is still on the roof of the

1678
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: car and therey. Gosh, that's a shame that mug was

1679
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 1: a fan favorite. Don't sweat the small stuff. Just nailed

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Speaker 1: Mezza and the ad Council is money Making Conversation. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Rushan McDonald. My next guest is the vice

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01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: president of business development and Operations for Live Nation Urban.

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01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: The company was established the Better cater to underserve audiences

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01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 1: by developing original urban focused events, festival brands, and strategic

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01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: content partnerships for emerging, established and classic hip hop, R

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01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 1: and B and gospel artists. Please welcome to money making Conversation.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Pankey, Good morning, Good morning. How are you had

1692
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: to get there? Man? You to get that addict for

1693
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 1: a little love out there for you? Let everybody know

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01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: what I'm talking to. You know, he founded amazing sound

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01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: of amazing Brandon. When when I when I do that

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01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 1: intro about Live Nation, we all know that's a brand.

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01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: So tell us about the Live Nation brand. Sure. I

1698
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: mean Live Nation is the global leader in live entertainment.

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01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean anywhere you go around the world, if you're

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01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: looking at any concept that you're making a ticket purchase to,

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01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: more than likely it's a concert from Live Nation. And

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01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: so you know, with that being said, you know, Live

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01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 1: Nation Urban was developed in really to focus on developing

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01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 1: events and platforms and emerging artists in hip hop, R

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01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: and being gospel. You know, Live Nation is a phenomenal company,

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01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 1: but there was such a you know, there was white space,

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01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, particularly in this you know, hip hop and

1708
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: R and B and gospel drivers to really develop new platforms.

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01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,560
Speaker 1: It's really interesting that you're saying that because of the

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01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 1: fact that you know, my history was Steve Harvey. So

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01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: you know I promoted all of his concerts when I

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01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: managed him from two thousands, and so going into the venue,

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01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 1: promoting the venue, getting right acts, getting the right ticket price,

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01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: because that's what I catered to, you know, before Steve

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01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 1: became Mr. Family Few. You know, our audience was an

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01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: urban audience. So you know we're setting out, you know,

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01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: different venues all over the country, and that was our

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01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: audience base. And there is a particular way you they

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01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: have to be treated and they have to be promoted.

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01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: To tell us about it, well, I mean absolutely, I

1721
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: mean you can't use a cookie cutter marketing plan, you know,

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01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: for a hip hop audience that we may use for

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01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: a pop audience, for a rock audience, there's a way

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01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,560
Speaker 1: that you have to cater to that audience. There's a

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01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: way that you need to speak to that audience. And

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01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: quite honestly, that's another reason why Live Nation Urban you

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01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 1: know what created because you know, we are African Americans

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01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: in this space that understand other African Americans, and so

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01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: it's easier for us to market, it's easier for us

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01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: to come up with ideas that makes sense for this

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01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:50,560
Speaker 1: particular audience. And so we're here, we're we're established, and

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01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: were really bring some amazing things. Um going into our

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01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 1: third year. Now, it was something interesting, you said, He said,

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01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 1: strategic content partnerships for emerging established and classic hip hop,

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01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 1: R and B and gospel artists. Let's talk about the

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01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: emerging what what? What are you considering the emerging audience

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01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 1: and an emerging artists to us, you know, it's a

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01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: couple of things. One, it's an artist that may have

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01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 1: just gotten signed to a label but doesn't understand what

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01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: it takes to have a live touring career. There's a

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01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: difference between going on stage and performing live and having

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01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: a sustaining touring careers. A batch of artists that get

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01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: up on stage and they may have, you know, a

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01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: year of success, but then after that year, what happens

1745
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 1: next when that audience dies down. What we try to

1746
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: do is really cultivate artists so that they have a

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01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 1: core fan base. Build those artists up from clubs and theaters,

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01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:44,719
Speaker 1: and so five years from from you know, from that moment,

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01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: there now in amphitheaters and arenas. You know, hopefully one

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01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: day stadiums it's about really developing artists and and creating

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01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 1: a sustaining career for that artist, because quite honestly, you know,

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01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: eight two of an artist revenue now comes from touring.

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01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,600
Speaker 1: Come on. And so if that you know, aspect of

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01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: their career is not solidified or is not strong, guess

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01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: what that that artist, you know, is not gonna last long.

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01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: And in a very very cutthroat industry. You know, it's

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01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 1: really funny you say that because you know, I did

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01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 1: the Neighborhood Awards many years, Steve and I did it,

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01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 1: uh honoring up. We consider stars in neighborhood and we

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01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: always had established talent, you know, O Jays established, a

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01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 1: baby Face was established, you know, the new edition. He's

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01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 1: established people. So they like you said that they make

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01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 1: their money on tour and so and I would go

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01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: to him and go, hey, man, uh, I just need

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01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 1: one song to go. We're not gonna do one song.

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01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 1: I said, the money's not gonna change. No, no, no,

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01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 1: you know from Charlie wasn't on up there. And I

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01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,599
Speaker 1: always wind up having to give him twenty minutes because

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01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: they would say this there was a liberal sean. We

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01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 1: we cannot have happen, is you know, because you canna

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01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:53,720
Speaker 1: put our name up on a banner. You're gonna put

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01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 1: our name and you gonna promote us. We can't have

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01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 1: somebody coming at the arena and go OJ's onna do

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01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 1: one song. Man, that's mass uh, he said. Bad news

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01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 1: travels fast. Good news stays with the people. They may

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01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: share it and they may not share it. And that's

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01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 1: where you talk about established talent. Established talents have to

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01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 1: hold onto their reputation and because that's where they make

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01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 1: their bottom line. That's right. I can't imagine if they

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01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 1: did one song at that event, you know, and then

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01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: someone saw it, it was like, oh, they only did

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01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,800
Speaker 1: one song. So when they come back to that city

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01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: and like, oh, well the o J is a new

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01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: edition their performance, Well, they only did one song last time.

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01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I'm not paying a hundred

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01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: dollars or whatever that if they don't put on a

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Speaker 1: good show. And that's why they do it, because they

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01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: took taking years to build up that fan base, and

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01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:45,640
Speaker 1: one performance could couldn't make that fan base, you know,

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01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: decline unfortunately in that particular city for sure. And also

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01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,919
Speaker 1: with social media, you know, people you you you're Gonnaline

1792
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 1: all the time people hold up a camera and and

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01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: they their videotaping and they have some comment. They might

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01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 1: be saying, just on the song they did next you long,

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01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 1: that can go viral and that can mess up next year.

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01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 1: You know, they're explaining themselves throughout the whole touring process

1797
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 1: when they go when they're doing the radio and now

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01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna do the entire concert. Who needs that headache?

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Speaker 1: So what that being said, The reason I brought that

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Speaker 1: up is that there has to be Yes, you have

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01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: the Live Nation brand associated with you, but there has

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01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: to be a trust factor put in place for you

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01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 1: to get the talent, especially established talent to work with you.

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01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,560
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean this is you know, yes, we

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01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:28,799
Speaker 1: have the Live Nation Urban brand behind us, but ultimately

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01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: it's about relationships. And I'll say this to your listeners

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01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: in any field you're in, in any industry you're in,

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01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 1: I'll argue that of your job is building, sustaining and

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01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: having trusting relationships with people, because ultimately, there are a

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01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 1: bunch of people that can do what I do, but

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01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 1: if we don't trust each other or work well together,

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01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And so relationship building is the fundamental

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01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 1: You know, I say, one of the cores or tenants

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01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 1: of being in music or being in any industry, as

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01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: I just stated, And so yes to your point, Yes,

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01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 1: we have the Live Nation, but they have to trust

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01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 1: us and know that we're going to make sure that

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01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: we put them in the best position possible to have

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01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 1: the best produced, you know, the most quality performance so

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01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 1: that they can go out and give a great show

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01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 1: to their fans. You know, it's really interesting because you know,

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01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: you really are talking about a lot here when you're

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01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 1: talking about classic hip hop okay, and you're talking about

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01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 1: R and B, and then you're talking about gospel artists.

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01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 1: Now you know I've had Do you do anything with comedians? Uh?

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01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 1: Not yet, but coming. I know it has to be

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01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: coming now because that's I'm starting to see, especially in Alta,

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01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, State Farm Arena. Every time I look up

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01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: every month, a big show is coming through town here

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01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 1: and so but it's not I'm not hearing Live Nation

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01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 1: Urban tied to that at all. So that's definitely market

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01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 1: is out there. Let me say this in regards to comedy,

1833
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 1: so we're building a bland. It's called Black Thoughts from

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01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: the Roots actually hosts a comedy event that we've had

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01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, We've had in the Montreal Um Comedy Festival,

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01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: We've had it UM at the New York Comedy Festival.

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01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 1: So it's something. It's a brand that we're building. But

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01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: outside of that, we are definitely claiming to get more

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01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 1: into comedy as well. Sorry to interrupt you, well no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this is great. This is great information because of the

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01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 1: fact that I'm just letting everybody know how you guys

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01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 1: operate as far as and how you're partaking a particular

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01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: interest because I was about to slide over to the

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01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: gospel artists now, you know, I remember several years ago

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01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:28,679
Speaker 1: I did a tour with Kurt Franklin and Steve Harvey,

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01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: and Steve Harvey was not going to use any profane

1847
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 1: language but on stage during this tour, and it was

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01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: the most difficult tour for me to do from a

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01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 1: promotional standpoint, because I really didn't know my audience. You know,

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01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,680
Speaker 1: I knew who Steve's audience was, but who exactly were

1851
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: the gospel audience. Where do you go to reach these people?

1852
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: Because you know, people said, well, you just just just

1853
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 1: advertised on the gospel station. I did that, but but

1854
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't until I just advertised on just the regular stations.

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01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:58,600
Speaker 1: Then I got the response I had because of the

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01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 1: fact that church for everybody, church people are church people.

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01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 1: Church people listen no RB church people listen to hip hop.

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01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 1: Church people are church people. And it was because of

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01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:08,600
Speaker 1: That's the whole part of what you have to do

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01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: as a as a leader in this particular brand is

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01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: understand how to reach your market. And that's what you're saying,

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01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: this is why it's necessary to have this particular brand

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01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: under Live Nation Urban Brand correct And just so you know,

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01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 1: from the gospel space to your point, we've actually partnered

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Speaker 1: with Kirk Franklin for his Exodus Music and Arts festival,

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01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: which is in Dallas, Texas. That's my favorite, that's my favorite. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: And in the third year we're gonna sell it out

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01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 1: again this year we're looking to expand into other markets. Um.

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01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 1: And so you know, to your point, it's not only

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01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: going you know, on the gospel stations, we actually go

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01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,600
Speaker 1: into the churches. But but guess what we're on the

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01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 1: regular urban a C you know, adult contemporary. Well because

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01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 1: the Jill Scott audience, it's also maybe at the jil

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01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 1: Scot concert at it. They're going to church on Sunday,

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01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 1: So you can't neglect a certain we're all, you know,

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01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,640
Speaker 1: some of us have certain religious beliefs, but ultimately we're

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01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: all people and we all love music. So you know,

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01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 1: you can't you know, discern the coote unquote gospel audience

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01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: from a you know, a traditional concert going audience, because

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01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 1: we're all we're all going to concerts. Well, it's really

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Speaker 1: great that you brought up Kurt Franklin and the and

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01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 1: the concert festival that he does in the Dallas and

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01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: make us. I've been promoted in the last couple of

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01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: years with him, so in a way we've we've had

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01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 1: a relationship and I didn't even know what they're Brandon,

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01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 1: how about that which is? Which is a beautiful name?

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01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 1: Which is because you know, my whole thing and and

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Speaker 1: establishing this brand of money making conversation what to create

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Speaker 1: It's about relationship, like you spoke about earlier. You know,

1890
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Speaker 1: it's about connecting the dots and giving individual platforms, individuals

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01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 1: like you to be able to speak your brand, build

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01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 1: your brand, communicate while your brand is important and how

1893
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 1: it affects a lot of people strategically, which is also

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01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 1: part of your introduction, because that's what you're trying to do.

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01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: Create these relationships with entertainment that really reaches the core

1896
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 1: audience that's really demanding it, but oftentime doesn't get it correct.

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Speaker 1: And I think just to give you part of our

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Speaker 1: our our strategy, and I think, you know, I want

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Speaker 1: to give a special shout out to to the president

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Speaker 1: of Limasion Urban schaun Gy for for you know, really

1901
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Speaker 1: having the vision to to have this. You know, what

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Speaker 1: we want to do is create opportunities for artists that

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01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 1: may not have those opportunities. When you look at the

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01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:27,600
Speaker 1: festival landscape, for example, you'll see your coachell As, you

1905
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 1: see your final Ruse Lollapa Loss. But what you don't

1906
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,799
Speaker 1: see these festivals. You know, they cater to every audience.

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01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 1: You know, you may have three R and B acts,

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01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 1: you may have four rock acts, you may have four

1909
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 1: pop acts. You know, it's a it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: smartest board of different you know, artists, but nothing that

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Speaker 1: super serves a particular demographic. So what we've done or

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01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 1: create festivals, create events, create platforms that super served emerging

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Speaker 1: hip hop, you know, classic hip hop, R and B

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Speaker 1: emerging R and B gospel artist emergency, different platforms, different

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Speaker 1: festivals with different artists. So now, and you know, let's

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Speaker 1: call it one. If I'm a hip hop artist, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have my own You know, you can go to

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01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:12,639
Speaker 1: Live Nation Urban and you can be on ten events

1919
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Speaker 1: in a year, where in the past maybe you were

1920
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Speaker 1: hoping to get on one or two festivals or one

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Speaker 1: or two different events and platforms. And that's why we were,

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Speaker 1: you know, really created to give opportunities for underserved audiences. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's important to say that because because the

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01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: gospel artists were really going back performing and mega churches

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Speaker 1: a few years ago because they kind of lost their

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Speaker 1: voice in the arenas and and the right promoters didn't

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01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 1: trust it or didn't do the right packaging to get

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Speaker 1: them back out there being appreciated. And so it's important

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Speaker 1: that you understand the brand. You understand their the ability

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Speaker 1: to be able to to grow this brand. Now you

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Speaker 1: should a name right there, Sean G. It's the same

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Speaker 1: Sean Chief in Philadelphia, Yes it is. Uh, that's my man,

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Speaker 1: right there, Sean G. I many times I've worked with

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Speaker 1: that young man telling our concerts. But come on, now,

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Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's your fearless leader over there. Man.

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01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 1: You know, been working with Shawn two thousand six and

1937
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 1: helping to build you know what what we have today.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you something, man, a special individual. I know.

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01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,600
Speaker 1: I used to come to Sean for talent and U

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01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: and he, you know, like I said, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm an emerging promoter and I had an emerging brand

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01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,560
Speaker 1: and he and he would work with me because I

1943
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: had the ability to play music on the air too.

1944
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 1: That helped the relationship as well. But he understood the relationship.

1945
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 1: And so to see that you have Sean g as

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Speaker 1: the as the overarching visionary of this whole process with

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Speaker 1: Live Non Nation Urgent Urbancuse Live Nation Urban. It's congratulations man, congratulations.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to talk more about

1949
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Speaker 1: some more program projects. You have, this app you have

1950
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 1: this is uh twelth and your roots Picnic that's coming

1951
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 1: up a lot more to talk about talk about with

1952
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 1: my man Brandon Pankey Live Nation Urban. As host of

1953
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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations, Rashan McDonald is uniquely positioned to provide

1954
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Speaker 1: a step by step, easy to understand blueprint that drives

1955
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 1: listeners to realize their dreams and aspirations. Until you do

1956
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Speaker 1: the business plan or incorporate or actually create that product

1957
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: or start selling products, the universe doesn't have to deal

1958
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 1: with money Making Conversations is an innovative platform that delivers

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01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: financial literacy to help everyone with their brand success. Good

1960
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Speaker 1: to have a money making conversation with somebody that makes money. Hi,

1961
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Speaker 1: this Rashan McDonald. I'm speaking to the vice president of

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Speaker 1: Business Development and Operations for Live Nation Urban. The company

1963
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Speaker 1: was established a better cater to underserved audiences by developing

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Speaker 1: original urban focus, advanced festival brands, and strategic content partnerships

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Speaker 1: for emerging, established and classic hip hop, R and B

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Speaker 1: and gospel artists. My man Brandon Pankey. Hey, Brandon's really

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Speaker 1: interesting when I see because I let's see, its a

1968
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Speaker 1: lot more hip hop concert concerts out there now. And

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you all. You know my old school,

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Speaker 1: you know, and at one time, you know, it was

1971
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Speaker 1: it was like you couldn't ensure a hip hop artist

1972
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Speaker 1: a concert, you know, really, you know, they'll be tann

1973
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 1: up there, dressing room there, they like the stage on fire.

1974
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: They were like bad boars of ignorance. When I was

1975
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 1: coming up and now I see more and more concerts

1976
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 1: are what is the Are the artists more mature? Are

1977
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,600
Speaker 1: the artists smarter? Are what is going on? Why are

1978
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 1: we having such productive hip hop shows now? I think

1979
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a lot of things. One. I think

1980
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Speaker 1: promoters UM have welcomed hip hop so much because here's

1981
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 1: the thing. Hip hop is, you know, always in the

1982
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Speaker 1: top streaming john globally and you have the numbers now

1983
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Speaker 1: and hip hop to back up why you know, hip

1984
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:48,080
Speaker 1: hop is important too if you go to you know,

1985
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Speaker 1: hip hop, you know, especially for younger hip hop shows

1986
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Speaker 1: or concerts, that that crowd is super diverse. You know,

1987
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 1: it's not just you know, black folks out there. It's

1988
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's all every race is there, young, old,

1989
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 1: watching hip hop. You know, So there's money to be

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Speaker 1: made in it. Three, they're just smarter managers, you know.

1991
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 1: I think you know, the management teams now are so

1992
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 1: savvy and understand that each hip hop artists and artists

1993
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 1: in general are brands, and so they're really building and

1994
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:19,640
Speaker 1: cultivating those brands to really make them stand out. UM.

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Speaker 1: And then social media, you know, hip hop artists are

1996
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:25,720
Speaker 1: now coming out with content. You know, I've seen some

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01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 1: artists come out with multiple albums or multiple mixtapes in

1998
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 1: a year, and that wasn't happening in the past. And

1999
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 1: so there's so much content. There's so much you know,

2000
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,719
Speaker 1: they have so you can see their personalities on social

2001
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,720
Speaker 1: media and and promoters are so open to it. You know,

2002
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't see hip hop necessarily going down from from

2003
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 1: a show perspective anytime soon. But I originally enjoyed. I

2004
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 1: was excited about it to bring you on the show.

2005
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 1: Was that, you know, I always preaching multiple streams of income,

2006
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,679
Speaker 1: multiple opportunities brings longevity, and you know, one check is cool,

2007
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 1: but hey, several checks and especially checks when you're getting

2008
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 1: the while you're sleep is beautiful. Now, in addition to

2009
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:05,440
Speaker 1: your duties at Live Nation Urban, you're also currently relaunching

2010
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 1: your app, The Tour Staw. Yeah, so um wow. Tour

2011
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 1: Star wasn't an idea I had in two thousand eleven, actually,

2012
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, dealing with with a particular

2013
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:17,920
Speaker 1: artist on tour and I was like, man, I wish

2014
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Speaker 1: there was a way that people could see, you know,

2015
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:21,680
Speaker 1: what we do, you know, in a fun way. And

2016
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 1: so it's like, well, let's develop a music simulation game

2017
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 1: that talks about toying, taking an artist from you know,

2018
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 1: the playing and his or her garage and making it

2019
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:32,519
Speaker 1: to an arena level superstar. So we created this game

2020
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 1: UM in two thousand and fourteen a debut in the

2021
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 1: top um top ten UM on on the Apple Music charts,

2022
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 1: did really well. We added a Quest Love as a

2023
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 1: as a partner in the game, and we're actually in

2024
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 1: the process of getting UM the company sold and then

2025
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 1: relaunching the app by the end of the year, you know,

2026
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,719
Speaker 1: kind of a version to with with a bigger gaming company.

2027
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Speaker 1: So I'm excited about that. And to your point, you know,

2028
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 1: it's really about you know, different streams of income. And

2029
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Speaker 1: I love music, but I think there are opportunities not

2030
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 1: only in gaming, but in content, you know, besides the

2031
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: list space, taking music as kind of the hub and

2032
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 1: branching out into into different areas UM. And that's what

2033
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: excites me about having the freedom and and really working

2034
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 1: in a space where I have the opportunity to be

2035
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur UM as well as work with Live Nation.

2036
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:26,720
Speaker 1: So it's really the best of those world. Well, you know,

2037
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 1: you're not only entrepreneur, you're a manager, you know, Yes,

2038
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 1: so so so so. So let's let's let's talk about

2039
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:36,720
Speaker 1: these titles that you got working on. You your vice

2040
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 1: president of business Development and operation. You're developing apps, and

2041
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 1: you're managing talent. So it tells us about that. Lastly,

2042
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 1: because you know, I know something about managing is God

2043
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:48,599
Speaker 1: know that's you know a lot of people that that title.

2044
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 1: Things very simple, but managing man. I'm tell you something.

2045
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 1: That phone range, you gotta pick it up. You gotta

2046
01:50:56,400 --> 01:51:03,679
Speaker 1: be a brother's sister, preacher, uh urity, uh, a loan officer.

2047
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta be a cook, uh meal you weren't

2048
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 1: ready to buy. Uh. You gotta be uh an enforced therapist, therapy.

2049
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 1: I forgot that. I'm saying, Hey, brand I apologize. I

2050
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 1: should have started with therapist. Let me tell you know,

2051
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: you know what, It's so funny because you have to

2052
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 1: be all those things. In fact, the artists I managed

2053
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 1: recently came out with her first single. Her name is

2054
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 1: Brianna Cash. She signed to Um in a joint venture

2055
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 1: with Interscope and a super producer named Popeline cell Um.

2056
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: She's from Philadelphia as well, and you know she's a

2057
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:43,559
Speaker 1: phenomenal artist. And she'll tell you I did not want

2058
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:46,719
Speaker 1: to be her manager. I said, management is an eighty

2059
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:50,040
Speaker 1: two hour a day job. I I didn't have the

2060
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:52,560
Speaker 1: time to do it. Um, and I kind of just

2061
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,639
Speaker 1: fell into it. And she now called me her brother

2062
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:58,519
Speaker 1: slash dad. Um. And it's because you care so much

2063
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 1: about the artist or artists that you're you're working with

2064
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: the managerial side. I you know, I couldn't leave her

2065
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 1: now if I if I wanted to, because I understand

2066
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:09,640
Speaker 1: the value who she is as a person, in my

2067
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,840
Speaker 1: value in her life and making sure she gets to

2068
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 1: a certain place in her career and not just in

2069
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 1: her career. But I actually care more about, you know,

2070
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 1: her personal life than I do the career. I think

2071
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 1: the career stuff is going to happen because she has

2072
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 1: a label behind her, because you know, we have a

2073
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 1: smart team with her, but really making sure on a

2074
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:29,800
Speaker 1: day to day basis she's okay, because I think that

2075
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 1: gets lost in the careers of every artist, that gets

2076
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:35,720
Speaker 1: lost in the careers of executives of any industry. I

2077
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 1: think we really, you know, I'm kind of diverting myself,

2078
01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 1: but we really need to focus on the mental health

2079
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 1: for individuals because I don't think we pay enough attention

2080
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 1: to that, especially in high stress. Um. Absolutely, and I

2081
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 1: and I liken bad managers to bad parents because these

2082
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:54,920
Speaker 1: individuals who've trust us, who come to us, or we

2083
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:56,600
Speaker 1: come to them, and we convince them that we're the

2084
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 1: right person to just steer their career, to keep their

2085
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:01,519
Speaker 1: life right, to make sure they're talking to the right

2086
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:04,439
Speaker 1: people showing up because especially with social media, you gotta

2087
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 1: be you know, you gotta monitor social media. You gotta

2088
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 1: monitor so much that goes into your head and some

2089
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:11,439
Speaker 1: of the stress that you have to take on and

2090
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 1: then stay levelheaded about it and being and being able

2091
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,839
Speaker 1: to deliver an answer. That's the key to one manage

2092
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:22,519
Speaker 1: when they ask you a question, don't stutter, don't go

2093
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 1: I'll be right back with you, because they're they're coming

2094
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 1: to you because that's the final leg where they need

2095
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:30,000
Speaker 1: to answer and they need that relaxed moment or that

2096
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:32,400
Speaker 1: confirmed moment that they're doing the right things in their life.

2097
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:34,560
Speaker 1: So I definitely have to bring that up because that

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Speaker 1: that level of diversity really lets me know that you're

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Speaker 1: looking at you're looking at your life from a global perspective.

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Speaker 1: You're not looking at this life as one opportunity, but

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Speaker 1: many opportunities. How do you take on that that that

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Speaker 1: persona or that ability to multitask A multitask I think

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Speaker 1: I've just always had that that ability. I knew that.

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Speaker 1: You know, probably at this point, if I was just

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Speaker 1: doing one thing, I would probably lose my mind because

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Speaker 1: that's not who I am. Like I you know, I

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Speaker 1: want to learn and I want to be a part

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Speaker 1: of so many different things within entertainment, you know. And

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Speaker 1: you know something we didn't touch on is, hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: also you know, a part of a nonprofit where we

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Speaker 1: teach students about the business of entertainment because it has

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Speaker 1: to be you know, to me, it's very holistic, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm managing, I'm working in live music,

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Speaker 1: We're working in gaming and other special events. And then

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Speaker 1: I have to make sure that that I give back

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Speaker 1: as well, you know, particularly the young black and brown

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Speaker 1: kids who don't have the access or opportunity you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, or that that I have had. And

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Speaker 1: so when you give that, now you can create more

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Speaker 1: of a diverse workforce. Now you're actually creating smarter managers

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Speaker 1: of color. Now you're also creating the next generation of

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Speaker 1: Live Nation urban employees and so it comes full circle.

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Speaker 1: So to that point, um, you know, I just I

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Speaker 1: wake up knowing I want to be great. I wake

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Speaker 1: up knowing that, you know, I believe that all of us, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, have God within us, and so we have

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Speaker 1: you know, our our greatest potentials within ourselves. And so

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Speaker 1: why why limit ourselves? Why? You know, there are people

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Speaker 1: that were very close to me who said, you know,

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Speaker 1: way back, you know, don't go into music. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a hobby, not a career. Why are you doing this?

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Speaker 1: And you have to sometimes not sometimes all the time,

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Speaker 1: believe in yourself because I don't believe in yourself. What's

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Speaker 1: the point. What's the point in doing any of this?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's how some of us get lost

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Speaker 1: sometimes because we lose that belief in who we are

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Speaker 1: and the things that we're great at. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: really fun that you brought that up, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I love IBM to be a stand up comics. So

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Speaker 1: you understand the questions and the and the doubters that

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Speaker 1: came out about that, that that that little career changed it.

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Speaker 1: But what happens is you can't ever ask anybody about

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Speaker 1: it for advice about your decision. If they are not

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Speaker 1: living that lifestyle. In other words, if somebody isn't banking,

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Speaker 1: or somebody's a I T person, don't ask them about

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Speaker 1: you changing your career into entertainment. They they were, they

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Speaker 1: were reverted to what they oh and and if they

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01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 1: don't know the thing that annoys me most of our people.

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Speaker 1: Instead of saying you should seek that out, seek advice

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Speaker 1: from somebody who can answer that properly, they're answering and go,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. Yep, how you

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01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:16,600
Speaker 1: gonna make money? Are you sure? I heard? Then? I

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01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 1: heard coming in susbody, I say, I heard walk away

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01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,600
Speaker 1: run because they're now it just noted just gossiping. Now

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01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 1: they just delivering rumors to your potential career change here.

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01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:29,360
Speaker 1: But but I wanted to tell you this, Brandon, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't gonna forget about the you know, the DASH program,

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Speaker 1: because that's about balance life. And that's why I always

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Speaker 1: talk about this show, on this show with my guests,

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Speaker 1: about that balanced life and the ability to give back

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Speaker 1: because I give back at my university with scholarship programs

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Speaker 1: and things like that. So so the DASH program he's

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01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:49,440
Speaker 1: talking about is destined to achieve successful Heights program which

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Speaker 1: prepares music education opportunity for students in high school throughout Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: So that to me gives me a full three six

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Speaker 1: day about you, and I think that's important. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a blessing and you and you should always announced that,

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Speaker 1: my friend, because that's important that you understand. You're in

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Speaker 1: this business to make money, in this business, develop a career.

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Speaker 1: You're managing people, you've got apps. You you savvy, you're articulate,

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Speaker 1: you're intelligent, but you also understand that you have to

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Speaker 1: slow down and relax a little bit and see what

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Speaker 1: else value or the value that God has given you

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Speaker 1: to contribute to other people's lives. That's what you're doing. Brother,

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Speaker 1: That's a blessing. Thank you so much. Man. And I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you one of the bigger stories you know about

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Speaker 1: Dash from me UM. I was working with a young

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Speaker 1: man who had actually dropped out of school and he,

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Speaker 1: you know, came to our app. We had an after

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Speaker 1: school program UM in northwest Phildelphia, the facility, and he

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Speaker 1: would come there every day even though he wasn't in school.

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Speaker 1: And because of that program, you know, he said, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna go back and get my g

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Speaker 1: E d. And he's not in music, but he has

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Speaker 1: a solid job and he's taking care of his family.

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Speaker 1: And that's to me. It wasn't about necessarily Hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's great if we can build the next music exact kids,

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Speaker 1: but it's even better we can just make you better

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Speaker 1: people and make you want to get on the right

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Speaker 1: pass in life. And that's you know, that's really the

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Speaker 1: core of what DASH is about. And I would also

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Speaker 1: I always shout out to people who have helped develop

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Speaker 1: these things, and that's Jerome Hips and Michael mcauthor, who

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Speaker 1: are both music managers. They co found the program. I

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Speaker 1: came out of the University of penn and started interning

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Speaker 1: for them in their recording studio and we started working

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Speaker 1: on this, on this um music business program together and

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Speaker 1: now not only are we teaching, but it's you know,

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Speaker 1: we have developed a curriculum that's going to be implemented

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Speaker 1: in high schools in Philadelphia school year focused on the

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Speaker 1: business of music and that, you know, that's legacy for me,

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Speaker 1: and that's what it's about. And I respect that and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you and I always know you have a

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Speaker 1: friend of Rashan McDonald not only because of the fact

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Speaker 1: that you're a guy who are who's making a difference

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Speaker 1: in the in the business, but also in the community.

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Speaker 1: Now we remissed with our Live Nation. Urban has upcoming

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Speaker 1: events coming up. Let's talk about this annual Roots Picnic

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Speaker 1: featuring the Roofs. Let you do your thing. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying the twelfth annual Roots Picnic go. Well, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you it's the twenty five thousand tickets last

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Speaker 1: year annual. This year we expect themself thirty thousand Saturday

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Speaker 1: May thirties in Philadelphia. Um, it's gonna be a phenomenal event.

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Speaker 1: We have you know everyone, um, from Meek Mill to Thundercat.

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Speaker 1: We have to read podcast Question of Supreme podcast. Um,

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Speaker 1: we have the Baby. We have such a diverse palette

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Speaker 1: of artists that are going to be there, Ray Kuon

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Speaker 1: and and ghost Face Black Thought. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal festival. It's really you know, we call the

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Speaker 1: Slice of Black Culture. Um, you know within Philadelphia and

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Speaker 1: we have folkus all the way from d C, New York.

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Speaker 1: Everyone comes down as phenomenal. It is a single day event,

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Speaker 1: single day event, um, and it's gonna be It's is

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Speaker 1: gonna be crazy. We have another event which we call

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Speaker 1: the largest gathering of millennial African Americans in the world.

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Speaker 1: It's the Brockley City Music Festival in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Marcus Allen and UM and Brandon McCarron

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Speaker 1: who you know helped really found this and put it

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Speaker 1: together and live as urban partners with these two two brothers.

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Speaker 1: And it's again another festival that's sold out already. It's

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Speaker 1: May Night, thirty thousand people. UM really touching on young, millennial,

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Speaker 1: millennial African Americans. And you know, we have Megan the

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Speaker 1: Stallion and Roddy Rich, you know, the Baby, a lot

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Speaker 1: of at Ari Lennox, just a phenomenal lineup. M that's

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Speaker 1: a one day event in Washington, d C. As well,

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Speaker 1: we have the Exodus Music and Arts Festival with Kurk Franklin,

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Speaker 1: Le Andrea Johnson, Donnie m clerkland, the Reunion of Mary

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Speaker 1: Barry UM. That's you know Sunday, excuse me, Sunday, May

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Speaker 1: twenty four and Dallas, Texas. And we have a slew

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Speaker 1: of other shows and partnerships that we are announcing very soon.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm excited about what we have and

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Speaker 1: what we've done since seen. I think we started with

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, nine or ten shows in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: We started at our will have about fifty shows. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that's you know, the power of of of what

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Speaker 1: this brand has meant and what it's really done, you know,

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Speaker 1: particularly and I would say in black and brown communities

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Speaker 1: and music. Oh man, congratulations. Uh and I know you

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Speaker 1: slipped in that the reunion of Mary Mary. Now that's

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Speaker 1: pretty big. Now you kind of slip that in. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty I was trying to get through it all.

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Speaker 1: That's why. That's that's that's huge right there, that the

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Speaker 1: union Mary Mary got Morning Drive Erica Campbell. That's my

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Speaker 1: girl again. Thank you for coming to my show, Brandon.

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Speaker 1: They appreciate you know, you got a home now. You

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Speaker 1: know this is a journey. Appreciate that this is a journey.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me.

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