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Speaker 3: Welcome to off the cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote. So, listeners,

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Speaker 3: one other place where this happens real time with Bill

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Speaker 3: Actor of the stage, the silver screen, and the small screen.

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Speaker 3: You may know him from the two thousand aughts science

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Speaker 3: It's Zachary Quinto. Welcome to Off the Cup.

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Speaker 2: Happy to be here. It's nice to see you again

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Speaker 1: I was able to pursue other opportunities to be honest.

448
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: And Heroes came right in and filled the vacuum. Although

449
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: after Sanatorius ended, before Heroes was the longest period of

450
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: time that I went without working since before twenty four,

451
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: So actually Heroes came out of the time when that

452
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: questioning and that doubt was kind of at a height myself.

453
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: It was challenging, but luckily because of the role of Heroes,

454
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: the place that I was at in my life emotionally

455
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: really served me in going into that audition because I

456
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: was kind of like, okay, like if something doesn't happen soon,

457
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: you know, and I should I keep doing this, you know?

458
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: And I was able to bring that uncertainty and that

459
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: self doubt into the audition for Heroes and it kind

460
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: of helped.

461
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so Heroes is huge, and then how does

462
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 3: Star Trek come to you?

463
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: Well, it was like hitting the lottery twice in one year. Really,

464
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: Heroes was this overnight juggernaut, you know, I auditioned for Heroes.

465
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: My first audition for Heroes was the day that it premiered,

466
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: So I went in for the audition in the afternoon

467
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: and the show premiered that night. Oh wow, and was

468
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: immediately like a literal like phenomenon. Right, And so between

469
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: my first audition and my callback, which was like five

470
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: days later or something, I knew what I was auditioning for. Right,

471
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: The character that I was auditioning for didn't show up

472
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: until episode eight, So I was aware of the stakes.

473
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: You know, when you're auditioning for a new show or

474
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: a pilot or something, you have no idea what it's

475
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: going to be. But then in the time between my

476
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: first audition and my second audition, it became very clear

477
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: what this job was and that it could be something

478
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: really significant in it in my career.

479
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 2: So it added pressure to my callback that wouldn't have

480
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: been there otherwise. But yeah, I mean, Heroes happens.

481
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: And for the first time in my career, I found

482
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: myself in a situation where I was doing press and

483
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: one of the questions I would get was do you

484
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: have any other things that you're interested in doing? Are

485
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: there any other projects that are exciting to you that

486
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: you're And I had found out that they were doing

487
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: a reboot of Star Trek and somebody had sent me

488
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: an email. Friend of mine sent me an email and

489
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: said with a link to a Deadline article or something

490
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: about this jj Abrams reboot of Star Trek, and they said,

491
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: you would make such an amazing Spot, And I thought, wow,

492
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: like interesting. I was never a Star Trek fan grown up.

493
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I knew Leonardnymore, I knew Spot, but

494
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: it wasn't something that I was like.

495
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: But I was like, yeah, they're right. Actually that kind

496
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: of does a tracks. It makes sense, you know.

497
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: So I just started talking about it in these interviews

498
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: and people would say, you know, is there anything really

499
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: interested And I'd say, you know, I heard they're doing

500
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: a new Star Trek and I would love to play Spot.

501
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: It would be so yeah, And like planning seeds just

502
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: got planning seats. And then April Webster, who was the

503
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: casting director, saw an article when I talked about it,

504
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: and then you know, so they ended up calling me

505
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: and I was the first person they saw for that movie.

506
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: I was the only person they saw for that role. Wow,

507
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: there was something about it that just made sense. You know.

508
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: So then it was like, yeah, Heroes led to that,

509
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: and then it was a big question as to whether

510
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: or not to be able to do both things, uh,

511
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: you know, or would I have to leave Heroes if

512
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to do Star Trek.

513
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: And then the writers strike happens.

514
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: And because here, because Heroes was an ongoing series, obviously

515
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: we had to shut down production.

516
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: But because Star Trek was a movie that.

517
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: Had already been written, we were actually able to film

518
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: Star Trek during the writer's strikee wow. And so I

519
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: didn't have to miss any episodes of Heroes in order

520
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: to do Star Trek.

521
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: So it was this weird, kind of miraculous experience.

522
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, turn of events right and timing. Yeah, Margin Call

523
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: is one of the best movies I've ever seen. I've

524
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: watched it many many times because with my kind of anxiety,

525
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: that's what we do. We rewatch things that we love

526
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: for comfort.

527
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: And so I could.

528
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: Probably do drop me anywhere in the movie and I

529
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: could probably love No.

530
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 4: I love it.

531
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: I love it. The cast is incredible. You produce and

532
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: star in it. Is that a special one for you

533
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: because it was like an independent film and you got

534
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: this amazing cast together.

535
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, It was the first movie that I produced, and

536
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to do as a producer

537
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: actually is to use my relationships and use my experience

538
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: as an actor to get people to do things that

539
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm producing. So I really do feel like I was

540
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: significantly instrumental in assembling that cast, and I loved that experience,

541
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, like the adrenaline of going after people at

542
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: that caliber.

543
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 4: And getting a Jeremy iron.

544
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: More Ye, Stanley Tucci, and me.

545
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: It was a really exciting time, and I do feel

546
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: grateful that I was able to kind of work through

547
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: my own adrenaline to believe in this project and believe

548
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: in it enough that people at that level also believed

549
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: in it and came into work with us on It

550
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: was really special, and the experience of filming it was

551
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: really exciting. I was in I moved to New York

552
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: to do that, and then I went right into Angels

553
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: in America, which I did the first New York production

554
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: of Angels since the original in twenty ten at the

555
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: Signature of Theater, and so I literally I went right

556
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: from filming Margin Call and then I had like a

557
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: week off, and then I went into Ames in America.

558
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: It was just such a wonderful creative time, and I

559
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: just felt so grateful for those experiences.

560
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: You know, that's a lot of work and exciting work,

561
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: but also intense.

562
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 4: Angels is an intense show, and it is.

563
00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was.

564
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: So That's when I'm at my best, though, is when

565
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm that busy and that challenged by the work itself,

566
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: because I feel like that's when I.

567
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: Don't have any choice but to right at the moment

568
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: the occasion. Yeah, exactly, and.

569
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 4: The same way.

570
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: And I didn't know why was that way until my

571
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: therapist told me I was that way, But I don't know.

572
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 3: I also loved Snowden and Glenn. Glenn's a friend of mine.

573
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: You played Glenn Greenwald. You were terrific. But was that

574
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: a tricky one because you're not only playing you're playing

575
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: a real person. It's based on real events and a

576
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: very controversial story at the time, like there would have

577
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: been more than one way to.

578
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: Tell that story.

579
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're playing an integral, integral person in that story.

580
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: Yes, it was an integral person in the story obviously,

581
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: and in the real life story, I would say it

582
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: was less integral to the film.

583
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: Is that track for you? Having watched.

584
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, completely, because yes, completely.

585
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: The characters of Glenn and Laura Poetrass were were more devices.

586
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: In the movie snowed in. They were.

587
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: There were more the portal into the examination of the

588
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: character himself played by Joseph Gordon Levitt.

589
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: But I didn't feel like we came in at the

590
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: very end of that shoot.

591
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: They had been filming for months and and Joe Gorton

592
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: Lovit and Shaleen Woodley and with whom I'm now doing

593
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: a play on Broadway.

594
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: Actually, but we were, you know, we came in the

595
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: last month of that.

596
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: I would say. The great thing about it was we

597
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: filmed in where we're with Frank Frankfurt, Munich. We were

598
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: in Germany, I can't remember. I think we were in Munich, Okay,

599
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: and we filmed some of it there, But then we

600
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: went to Hong Kong. We actually went to the Mirror Hotel, which.

601
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: Is where the hotel was.

602
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: Oh.

603
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 4: Wow, I was going to ask if that was really there.

604
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, where we were filmed and stayed in the actual hotel.

605
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: Wow.

606
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

607
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: And while we were filmed, it was shortly after Citizen

608
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: Four came out, the documentary that Laura Portress made. Yeah,

609
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, and and we ran into her in the

610
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: lobby in the elevator of the hotel. She was there

611
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: because she was doing a screening of Citizen Four and

612
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: she was staying at the I mean, it was so

613
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: meta and so surreal, and we ended up like having

614
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: dinner with Laura Portress and it was really an amazing time.

615
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: And to work with Oliver Stone and to be in

616
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: Hong Kong for three weeks living in Hong Kong was

617
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: really amazing. And you know, to work with Tom Wilkinson

618
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: and Melissa Leo was it was really special. But I

619
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: don't feel like that doesn't feel like my movie.

620
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

621
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, because it's not about Glenn.

622
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: It's not, and it's not you know, it was it was.

623
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Speaker 1: It was really interesting and really fulfilling and and I'm

624
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: so glad, I mean, to get to work with Oliver

625
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: Stone to see, yeah, to get to know him, you know. Anyway,

626
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: that was really it was really quite special, but not

627
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: so impactful in that I would say in the overall

628
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: sort of yeah view of my career.

629
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, what happened with The Slap.

630
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: I really loved that series and again had such a

631
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: great cast, including my, my very dear friend, Tommy Sadowski.

632
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: Why didn't Why didn't that work? I thought it worked well.

633
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it worked in some ways. It

634
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: was never meant to be an ongoing series. It was

635
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: always only intended to be limited series, okay, but it

636
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: was at a time when limited series hadn't yet made

637
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: their mark on our industry the way they certainly have.

638
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: And that was also ten years ago THO twenty fourteen,

639
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: So I think it's just a different world then than

640
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: it is now in terms of limited series. And it

641
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: was also on NBC, so I think sometimes, you know,

642
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: networks weren't.

643
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: Doing limited series really at all, right.

644
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: And I think audiences were a little confused about what

645
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: it was or what it was supposed to be. It

646
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: didn't really find an amplifying kind of audience. But it

647
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: was great, fun.

648
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 4: So great, great working with.

649
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, good people involved in it, Peter Sar's guard, like

650
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: you said, Tommy, Yeah, and Uma Thurman and uh yeah,

651
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: they were great, you know, Tandy Newton and yeah, yeah,

652
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: it was really uh it was a good experience. But

653
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: but again, you know, one of those things that was

654
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: just kind of meant to be a bridge to the

655
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: next thing. I mean, I really think of my career

656
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: in that way, which is that every experience I have

657
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: is informed by the experiences that I've had that led

658
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: me to it.

659
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: I'm not somebody who kind of methodically plans what I'm

660
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: going to do.

661
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm somebody, I think, who's much more open to

662
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: what presents itself to me, and then I move in

663
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: the direction that I think makes the most sense for

664
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: that moment.

665
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: And in this lab was an example of that.

666
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: I thought, well, this is really cool, and yeah, maybe

667
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: it'll generate something that it didn't end up generating, but

668
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: that's okay.

669
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Speaker 3: So when I heard The Boys in the Band was

670
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: getting a revival on Broadway, I bought tickets like that day,

671
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: like the minute they went on sale. Yeah, because I

672
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: love that play. I loved the story. Not only was

673
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: it so entertaining, you guys were all so good, but

674
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: it was important. That's an important play and an important story, agree,

675
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: Seminole and Yeah, I mean, I were roughly the same age.

676
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: I grew up in a professional ballet so I always

677
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: felt like I grew up in a gay community.

678
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: Every boy and man I.

679
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: Knew in that world was gay, and I had lost

680
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: ballet directors to AIDS at a very young age. So

681
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: all of this this was my world, and that was

682
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: what I knew, and that was normal. That was my

683
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: normal world inside this community. And so when things like

684
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: that and Angels in America came out, I and rerent

685
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: like this was someone was telling stories about my world.

686
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 3: And I even though I was an outsider, and I

687
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 3: was an outsider in the world, but I was in

688
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: the world. These are my friends, sure, and so they

689
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: were really important to me. What did it mean to

690
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: you to get to be in the Boys in the Band?

691
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: Well?

692
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: I think it was the fiftieth anniversary of the play.

693
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: The play had never been on Broadway. Mark Crowley, the playwright,

694
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: was still alive, and to watch him, I think the

695
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: most meaningful part of that experience was to watch him

696
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: have it and to watch him be able to enjoy it,

697
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: and to watch him whin a Tony Award for Best

698
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: Revival of a Play. You know it was that was

699
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: so special because he had gone fifty years. I think

700
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: being defined by that play, he never really He wrote

701
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: other things and was an incredibly talented writer, but I

702
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: think he never really was able to to evolve beyond

703
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: the association with that most important work, and so I

704
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: think as a result, it was especially wonderful to watch

705
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: him be so celebrated for it, you know, and watch

706
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Speaker 1: him have such a.

707
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: Such a successful Broadway production of that play was really

708
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: really great, really great.

709
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 4: Oh, it was so good.

710
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, just my fel like Angels America, Boys in

711
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: the Band, Last Managerie, Who's Afraid of Virginia, Well with

712
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: a lot of classic American plays, you know, really really seminal,

713
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: kind of formidable works that have been largely around for

714
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: decades and have very strong presence in the theater world.

715
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: So you know that it felt like it was in line.

716
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: With those those works, and I felt really grateful to

717
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, and I did it with like so

718
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: many of my dear friends, you know, you mentioned Matt Bohmer,

719
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: Andrew Randalls, J Parsons, you know, really wonderful people who

720
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: I've known and spent time with socially.

721
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: But that was the first time we got to work together.

722
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: We had a true blast.

723
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Speaker 3: As I mentioned, I didn't realize that my friends weren't

724
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: welcome everywhere until I got a little older, and that

725
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: was really painful. And there's been tremendous progress over the path.

726
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: This is forty years ago, you know, but that progress

727
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: feels precarious right now? Does it feel precarious to you?

728
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think precarious is generous. I mean, I

729
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: think it feels.

730
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: In peril.

731
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not about precariousness. It's I think what

732
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: we're about to witness in the coming months is absolutely terrifying.

733
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: You know, for so many Americans that have enjoyed at

734
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: least a modicum of freedom and a modicum of equality,

735
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: and I think we're about to see that dismountled systematically

736
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: in every single way that these you know, extremist pseudo

737
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: politicians are are able to and that is really scary.

738
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: What we have as a country agreed is the way

739
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: to move forward, I think is very bleak. And my

740
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: question is, you know how extreme and how quickly are

741
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: we going to see the impact of that? You know,

742
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: You're like, do we get out of here? Is it

743
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: time to flee? Do I sell my apartment? Do I

744
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: move to London? Do I do something else? You know?

745
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

746
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: And then the more I thought about it, the more

747
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: I thought like, now is not the time to run,

748
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, Now is the time to stay and dig

749
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: in and be invested in who I am and what

750
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: I believe in. You know that that's never been more

751
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: important than now. But you know, I also allow for

752
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: the possibility that things go to hell in a hand

753
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: basket pretty right quick, and then you know, getting out

754
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: maybe the only option, honestly, because I do feel like

755
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: there's a version of it where it's less intense than

756
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: we expect, it's just a little bit. But there's also

757
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: a version of it where it's worse than we could imagine.

758
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: Way worse, right, you know.

759
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: And that and that not even the administration or the

760
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: political element of it, but the but the people that

761
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: are fired up and empowered and emboldened and hateful that

762
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: that is. That is something that I do have some

763
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: legitimate concern about, I would say, you know.

764
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for my own mental health. I've had

765
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: to think about can I keep covering this because it's

766
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: not enjoyable. I did it, I've done it for a

767
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: long time now, and it's messed with my mental health.

768
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: But like you, I also think, well, now is when

769
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: I need to work the most, And you know, now

770
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: is when I need to be on the front lines,

771
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: on the front row of history and doing what I do,

772
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: But I go back and forth too, because it's just

773
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: a lot.

774
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: It's a lot, and I think we have to allow

775
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: ourselves that grace. Like I think, you know, this is

776
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: a time that there's more uncertainty in our social fabric

777
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: and our political infrastructure than there's ever been in my lifetime,

778
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: our lifetime.

779
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

780
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: Also, I think, you know, as a civilization, not just

781
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: as Americans, not just as Democrats or Republicans or white

782
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: people are not or gay or straight or whatever. As

783
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: a civilization, we are on the precipice of unprecedented transformation.

784
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: And I think when you consider the factors of climate change,

785
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: and I think on top of that you layer the

786
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: element of artificial intelligence and the ways in which we

787
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: are already divesting ourselves of the experience of being human,

788
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: and we're inviting these machines into the conversation with no

789
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: regard for or awareness of the long term implications of that.

790
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: You know, we're already inviting chat GPT into our experience

791
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: to the degree that people write letters, says, do homework,

792
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, So imagine when that technology evolves enough to

793
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: not only intercept our conversations, but to commandeer them and

794
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: take them in a direction that we might not even

795
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: intend for them to go. So I think when you

796
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: factor these two elements into this inflection point of the

797
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: human experience, there's not one single person on the face

798
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: of the planet who has ever experienced what we're about

799
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: to experience. And I guess the last time that this

800
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: happened was probably the Industrial Revolution, which, yes, it changed

801
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: our lives, but it didn't change our lives to the

802
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: degree that there was, you know, experiences that we were

803
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: completely unable to comprehend the way that I think we

804
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: are now. So that to me is like how we

805
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: move toward that I think is really going to define

806
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: a lot of things. And it's just shocking to me

807
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: that we've chosen to move toward it with such small

808
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: thinking and such self reflected thinking, and such misogynistic thinking.

809
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: You know, that to me is the thing that is

810
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: so the message that this sends to people, that you

811
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: know that this old school, old boy network of doing

812
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: things is still what we're perpetuating, is such a tragedy

813
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: to me, that's the biggest tragedy of this.

814
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: Well, the pendulum in politics usually swings back, so we

815
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: might get a reprieve.

816
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: Maybe those midterms will help us rebinstitute some of the

817
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: guardrails that we are going to be without for the

818
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: next two years at least.

819
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see.

820
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: I like your optimism.

821
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: Okay, let's before we get to our lightning round at

822
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: the end, let's talk about nicer things, brilliant minds. The

823
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 3: show premiered in the fall of twenty twenty four.

824
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 4: That's right, Brave Reviews.

825
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: Were you excited to go back to Network TV and

826
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: back on NBC.

827
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: I was.

828
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: I was really excited to work with these people to

829
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: tell these stories.

830
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: You know.

831
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: The show, the character I plays inspired by Oliver Sacks,

832
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: the renowned neurologist and prolific author.

833
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: Yes, and to get to dive into his world.

834
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Speaker 1: He was such an incredible man and fascinating contributor to

835
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: the fields of medicine and literature, and you know, he

836
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: was endlessly curious about the human mind and consciousness. And yeah,

837
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: so I was really excited, and yeah, to go back

838
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: to NBC, to be honest, was was really a welcomed

839
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: and unexpected kind of pleasure.

840
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: You know.

841
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean Lisa Katz, who is the current president of NBC,

842
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: is a truly wonderful person and boss, like you know,

843
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed getting to know her. I feel really

844
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 1: supported by the network, and so yeah, it felt really

845
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: nice to go.

846
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: Home in a cheesy way, but it's true.

847
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: You know, it's where my career started, and so to

848
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: come back at this midpoint feels like a really nice touchstone,

849
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: you know. And interestingly, just a little anecdote which I've

850
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: mentioned before, but Heroes, if anybody watched it, the catalyst

851
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: of this series, I mean, if anybody who didn't watch it,

852
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: the catalyst of the series is that a solar eclipse

853
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: takes place in the pilot episode, and in the course

854
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: of this solar eclipse, it awakens people all around the

855
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: world to powers they didn't know that they possessed. And

856
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: so then it, right, that's the catalyst the of the story.

857
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: And so now all these fifteen years later, back on NBC,

858
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: back on a show you know now number one of

859
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: the call sheets. So there's a little bit more of

860
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: an investment from the beginning, right. I was a part

861
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: of this show from very early on in the development process. Yeah,

862
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: we started filming the first season of Brilliant Minds on

863
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: April eighth, which was the day of the solar eclipse. Wow,

864
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: so this kind of full circle experience doing this show.

865
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: You know, I've it's not lost on me. I feel

866
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: like I can't ignore.

867
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: Those kinds of things, and so it was kind of

868
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: a nice reminder that like this is right where I'm

869
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: meant to be right now.

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00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh that's great.

871
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 3: Okay, Well we're going to do you can you can

872
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: see Zach and Brilliant Minds. He's also on Broadway now

873
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: in Cult of Love. H Okay, let's do our our

874
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 3: lightning round. To end our interview, the first few questions

875
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: or something of a quiz. Okay, how many people have

876
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 3: played Spock?

877
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see here. Uh huh uh, I'm gonna say four.

878
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: Okay, so there's nine.

879
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: But because but six of those nine, six of those

880
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 3: nine played like as a child, played Spock like as

881
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: a very young Spock.

882
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: Because there's the baby. Are you counting the baby? Yes,

883
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: you're cutting the baby. I was counting. Also, uh, the

884
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: little guy that played the younger version of me obviously

885
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: Leonard and Me and Ethan Pack.

886
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: So that's five. But who are the other four?

887
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Speaker 3: So it's it's Carl, Stephen Vadia Potenza, Stephen Manley, Joe Davis,

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Speaker 3: Jacob Cogan and Liam Hughes.

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Speaker 1: I see, so Jacob was like the younger version of me,

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Speaker 1: and then there was a baby in mine and then

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Speaker 1: me and Leonard. So those are four in my world, yes, Ethan,

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Speaker 1: and then are those other names people that were on

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Speaker 1: like the original series.

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Speaker 4: Yes, as a child, Yeah, that played young Spock. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it's tricky, but I mean four's a good answer, right,

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Speaker 3: Angels in America or Boys in Band Ooh.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, it's tough.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm going to say Angels in America because

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Speaker 1: it was it was just some It's Boys in the

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Speaker 1: Band is wonderful and instrumental seminole work in terms of

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Speaker 1: the evolution of LGBTQ plus storytelling. Yeah, but Angels in

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Speaker 1: America is a transcend examination of the human experience that

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Speaker 1: relates not only to the experience of being a member

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Speaker 1: of the LGBTQ plus community, but also the ruthlessness and

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Speaker 1: the you know, the unscrupulousness of politics.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's.

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Speaker 1: Just a more complex and resonant, bigger story, more and

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Speaker 1: more kind of yeah, just just a little bit more

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Speaker 1: substantive in the in the doing of it.

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Speaker 2: I think that Boys and the.

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Speaker 1: Band is substantive in its place in history. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna leave it with that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Ranalds or Parsons, you.

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Speaker 2: Can't ask me that.

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Speaker 4: I can.

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Speaker 1: I adore them both so much. I couldn't use that.

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Speaker 1: They're both amazing, talented, generous, funny, wonderful guys, hilarious, both

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Speaker 1: of them. I just saw Jim in our Towndway do

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Speaker 1: beautiful work, and I respect them both so much. Andrew's

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Speaker 1: an author, and you know, Jim is so talented, and

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I love them both, like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: have to have them both, to them both.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's an answer. That is an answer. Okay, your

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Speaker 3: favorite movie of all time?

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Oliver Stone, when I asked him this question, got actually

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Speaker 1: angry with me because he was like, how could you

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Speaker 1: ever ask me to narrow it down?

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Speaker 2: You know, there's so many. I was like, okay, just

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Speaker 2: ask me what you're into, you know what you're so

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a list of movies that I love,

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Speaker 1: but there are two that I love to go back to.

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Speaker 1: One is Magnolia. Thomas Anderson's Magnolia. Great movie, just such

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Speaker 1: a fantastic film. The performances, the structure of it. Also

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Speaker 1: the talented mister Ripley. That's a perfect, phenomenal film.

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Speaker 4: Perfect.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so those are two of my I made

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Speaker 1: a list of like my top ten, and those are those.

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Speaker 2: Are both on there.

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Speaker 1: Those are both great and spirited away to the missiatic

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Speaker 1: of the Miyazaki film.

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Speaker 2: I love it as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay. And the final question is, and this is very

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Speaker 3: important to me spiritually culturally, when is iced coffee season rounds?

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Speaker 3: That is the correct answer, sir, That is the correct answer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I live in New York City and I

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Speaker 1: get ice coffee in the data dany, so same your

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Speaker 1: rounds scene.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: This was really fun.

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Speaker 1: It was a real pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's really nice to see you. I hope that will

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Speaker 1: you be able to come see the play?

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure, for sure?

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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