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Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 2: With the Hall of Famer Tim Kirkheon, I'm his son,

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Speaker 2: Jeff Kirkchheon Dad, And this week starts officially three days

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Speaker 2: a week. We've passed the first day of spring. Tomorrow

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have Eduardo Perez on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: So we're going Monday, Tuesday, Thursday.

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Speaker 2: For the twenty twenty six baseball regular season, and we're

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Speaker 2: so excited for that. We are finally at the doorstep

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Speaker 2: of the regular season.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: It's so great.

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Speaker 4: And the opener, of course, is Wednesday night the Yankees

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Speaker 4: at the Giants, and then a full schedule on Thursday

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Speaker 4: for what we can call the real opening day.

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Speaker 3: So Tuesday night, Jeff.

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Speaker 4: Will be the last worthless evening that we have to

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Speaker 4: spend because it's the last night that we won't have

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Speaker 4: a baseball game until the month of February. So Jeff,

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Speaker 4: speaking of spring, it's really hot here today in Maryland

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Speaker 4: was like eighty degrees.

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Speaker 3: So happy about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to interrupt DD, but I'm on

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Speaker 2: a little weekend away.

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Speaker 1: In Las Vegas. This is where my in laws live.

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. It was ninety four degrees yesterday ninety

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Speaker 4: So you've been freezing for four months and now you're

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Speaker 4: too high.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, this is more than just thawing out over here.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm sweating in places I didn't even realize I'm sweating.

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Speaker 2: My skin is dry. I need to get back to

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Speaker 2: some balance of weather. But anyway, please continue. How hot

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Speaker 2: it's been right now.

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Speaker 4: The first day of spring, Jeff, how fitting is this?

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Speaker 4: I had lunch with, among others, Nolan Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Last Friday, first day of spring.

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Speaker 4: I had dinner on the same day with, among others,

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Speaker 4: Dwight Gooden. So I had lunch with Nolan Ryan, a

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Speaker 4: lunch set up by Talmach Boston, my friend, and then

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Speaker 4: dinner at my friend Steve Blomberg's house, and Dwight Gooden

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Speaker 4: was there, so I had I had dinner and lunch

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Speaker 4: with five hundred and eighteen victories, eighty five shutouts, and

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Speaker 4: eight thousand and seven strikeouts. That's who I had dinner

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Speaker 4: and lunch with.

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Speaker 3: It was so good.

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Speaker 4: I am the luckiest man on earth that, on just

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Speaker 4: a random first day of spring, I get to have

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Speaker 4: lunch with one of the greatest power pitcher of all

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Speaker 4: time and with Dwight Gooden, who was absolutely as good

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Speaker 4: a picture as I've ever seen for a several year period.

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Speaker 4: When he came up, we hadn't seen anything like him

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Speaker 4: in a long long time.

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Speaker 1: What was the highlight of a moment? Dad?

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Speaker 2: From each of those pictures, was there well a story

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Speaker 2: they told? Well question that was asked or answered?

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Speaker 4: This was a mat Nolan Ryan told the greatest stories.

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Speaker 4: And like two minutes after we sat down, somehowow it

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Speaker 4: came up the night that he faced Pete Rose, who

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Speaker 4: was trying to break Stan Muzial's record for the most

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Speaker 4: hits in the history of the Nation League. I didn't

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Speaker 4: even ask the question. Somehow this came up. I was

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Speaker 4: at that game in nineteen eighty one, so I'll never

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Speaker 4: forget that. Pete Rose got a hit in his first

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Speaker 4: at bat to tie Stan Musial, and in the next

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Speaker 4: three at bats, Nolan Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Struck him out.

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Speaker 4: And I've never seen Pete Rose look more overmatched in

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Speaker 4: any bat than I saw in those three And in

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Speaker 4: the third strikeout, Jeff Pete Rose tipped his cap to

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Speaker 4: Nolan Ryan after the third strikeout, so he and I

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Speaker 4: it but this was the part I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: A year earlier.

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Speaker 4: Pete Rose was at the batting cage on a night

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Speaker 4: at Nolan Ryan and he says, if you throw that

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Speaker 4: drive right off of your forehead. And Nolan waits for

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Speaker 4: the perfect opportunity in that game to throw his curveball.

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Speaker 4: He said, it came out of his hand perfectly, and

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Speaker 4: Pete Rose hit a line drive that Nolan Ryan said,

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Speaker 4: if I hadn't gotten my glove up in time, it

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Speaker 4: it and then almost did it. And the reason he

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Speaker 4: three curveballs, the only.

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Speaker 3: Three pitches he threw in that at bat.

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Speaker 4: Struck him out feebly on all three curveballs, and that's

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Speaker 4: when Pete Rose tipped his cap. But it was just

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Speaker 4: something that had happened a year earlier. That was one

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Speaker 4: of like twenty stories that Nolan Ryan's I was completely

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Speaker 2: Now I haven't confirmed this with the Elias Dad but

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Speaker 2: a quick Google search told me that Pete Rose struck

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Speaker 2: out three times in a game less than five times

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Speaker 2: in his career, and never struck out four times in

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Speaker 1: So in this day and age.

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Speaker 2: When we hear somebody struck out three times, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of like white noise, right, you know, it's just commonplace

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Speaker 2: these days to strike out Pete Rose three times in

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Speaker 2: there to get that hit. I mean, he was always

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Speaker 2: And I just got chills. Dad hearing about the tip

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Speaker 2: of the cap that is the coolest thing ever. And

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Speaker 2: hear it from Nolan Ryan and himself right saying, and I.

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Speaker 3: Was a part of it because I saw it. But

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Speaker 3: then he.

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Speaker 4: Filled in the other part of the story, which just

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Speaker 4: was absolutely fascinating. Dwight Gooden was equally charming and equally

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Speaker 4: great During dinner, Surf and Turf. It's de Blomberg's house,

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Speaker 4: being a big Mets fan, would not allow Dwight Gooden

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Speaker 4: to tell the story about the no hitter he threw

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Speaker 4: the only no hitter he threw because he threw it

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Speaker 4: for the New York Yankees. Of course, the arch rival

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Speaker 4: of so I, being a journalist at the table, said

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Speaker 4: to hear the no hitter story. So it was so

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Speaker 4: emotional the story that Dwight Gooden told that he choked

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Speaker 4: towards the end of Dwight Gooden's career. They were going

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Speaker 4: and Dwight Gooden had to make a decision. Do I

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Speaker 4: But the last game he ever saw his son pitch

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Speaker 3: How great is that?

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Speaker 4: And he almost he cried briefly during dinner with ten

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Speaker 4: yahoos at the table, all of the Mets fans except

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Speaker 4: for me, of course, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was so powerful and it was so emotional.

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Speaker 4: So I got no One Ryander in the day and

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Speaker 4: Dwight Gooden, I repeat, how lucky am I? Jeff Well, Dad,

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Speaker 4: this being a father son podcasts that totally just choked

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Speaker 4: me up, and you know, being a dad myself now

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Speaker 4: night I went to see Luke Combs before I'm at

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Speaker 4: Allegiance Stadium in Las Vegas, and I sent you a

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Speaker 4: video of a song called even Though I'm Leaving and

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Speaker 4: the last verse in chorus is about, you know, losing

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Speaker 4: a father.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying not to get choked up, and it like

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Speaker 2: that is what is so beautiful about this game. That's

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Speaker 2: what's so beautiful about this sport is the connections between

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Speaker 2: and it's just so it's such a special game. And Dad,

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, that's one of the best stories you've

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Speaker 2: told on this podcast. And I'm so so glad you

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Speaker 2: got that experience over dinner. I'm sure there wasn't a

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Speaker 2: even choking up, and I promise it isn't the dust

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: It's me.

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Speaker 2: I'm currently in my in laws master closet. No dust, Dad,

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Speaker 2: I am looking.

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Speaker 2: Place I can I could get away from a napping

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 4: I really had a great week because not only did

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Speaker 4: I get to meet or not meet, but have dinner

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Speaker 4: in lunch with Nolan Ryan and Dwight Gooden. I also

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Speaker 4: went and spoke to the Walter Johnson baseball team, which

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Speaker 4: won the Maryland State championship last year, and as.

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Speaker 1: You know met like Walter Johnson High School.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the Walter Johnson High School baseball team, of course, I.

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Speaker 2: W why who do I know that went to Oh,

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Speaker 2: I know Matt McCoy, right, actor Matt McCoy of Seinfeld

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Speaker 2: and some other great shows.

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Speaker 1: That's who went to Walter Johnson High School?

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Speaker 3: Right right?

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Speaker 2: I have that right, But so did I. That's the

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Speaker 4: Were both born in nineteen fifty six, as was my

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Speaker 4: Trying to never forget pud Rodriguez's major league debut. It

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Speaker 4: This is way better than Capriotti's. He gets married and

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Speaker 2: Let's go to on the state in baseball history here, Dad,

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Speaker 2: I definitely see it a little bit. The dark hair,

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Speaker 2: dark features, big eyes, Yeah, I could, I could see it.

447
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Speaker 1: Does he have Armenian roots?

448
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Speaker 5: Now?

449
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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

450
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Speaker 2: All right, well kind of sounds a little Italian. Yeah,

451
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Speaker 2: but nonetheless, you've been mistaken for everything with how tan

452
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Speaker 2: you get in the summer?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

454
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Okay. On this date in nineteen seventy nine,

455
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Speaker 3: Mark Burley was born.

456
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Speaker 4: And Mark Burley was a really good major League pitcher

457
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Speaker 4: for a long time, borderline Hall of Famer and one of.

458
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Speaker 1: Our latest number fifty six of all time all time.

459
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Speaker 4: And Brian O'Malley, one of our really loyal and really

460
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Speaker 4: acute listeners, send us a note which I still haven't confirmed,

461
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Speaker 4: but he says that Mark Burley is the only pitcher

462
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Speaker 4: in history. I haven't confirmed this to face the minimum

463
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 4: batters in a game three different times. Of course, he

464
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Speaker 4: pitched a perfect game, so that's twenty seven batters.

465
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Speaker 3: Phase done. He had a one.

466
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Speaker 4: Hitter in which the guy got caught stealing and he

467
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Speaker 4: retired everyone else, so that's twenty seven batters. And according

468
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Speaker 4: to Brian O'Malley, and I didn't check any of this,

469
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Speaker 4: I trust him. Mark Burley pitched a two hitter and

470
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Speaker 4: had two grounded into double plays, so three different times

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Speaker 4: in his career he faced the minimum of twenty seven hitters,

472
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Speaker 4: and according to Brian, no other pitcher has ever done

473
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 4: that in Major league history. That sound sounds accurate to me.

474
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 4: I never do report anything unless I know it's accurate.

475
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Speaker 4: But this came from somebody else, not for me.

476
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Speaker 1: I remember, Dad, and this has a reason for this story.

477
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Speaker 2: GIDP grounded into double play, right, is a baseball stat.

478
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: And I remember Emily and I were watching a game

479
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Speaker 2: and a stat came up, and she goes, wait a minute,

480
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Speaker 2: isn't that like an economic term? And I said, no,

481
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Speaker 2: that's GDP the gross domestic product.

482
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Speaker 3: Right.

483
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Speaker 2: He didn't have four gross domestic products last season.

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Speaker 3: Right.

485
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Speaker 4: And by the way, Jeff, go back and look at

486
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Speaker 4: the all time leaders all time in grounded into double plays.

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Speaker 3: They're all Hall of Famers.

488
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Speaker 4: Because the only way to lead or have the most

489
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Speaker 4: in that category is to play a lot of games,

490
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 4: hit a lot of hard ground balls, and not every

491
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer could run really fast, So that whole

492
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: top of the list is just littered.

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Speaker 3: With Hall of Fame baseball players.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, Jeff, without being you know, the

495
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Speaker 4: pedantic little twit that I can be, there's a difference

496
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Speaker 4: between a double play and grounding into a double play,

497
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Speaker 4: because you know, you can hit a fly ball and

498
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Speaker 4: fly out into a double play and still get an RBI,

499
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Speaker 4: but you can't if you ground into a double play.

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Speaker 3: That is a different category.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Dad, looking at the top five, you're right.

502
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Speaker 2: You've got Albert Poolholes holds the record for the most

503
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Speaker 2: double plays grounded into. Miguel Carbrera Cawriken Jr. Is third,

504
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Speaker 2: and then we've got Pudge the aforementioned is fourth, and

505
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Speaker 2: Hank Aaron is fifth. There you go, all all your Stremsky,

506
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: Dave Winfield, Eddie Murray, Jim Rice, Julio Franco.

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Speaker 4: We have to get to ten for ten guys down

508
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Speaker 4: before we get a non Hall of Famer or future

509
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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. So that's kind of amazing, all right, Jeff.

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Speaker 4: On this date, this is sad, but my friend on

511
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Speaker 4: the Nick Peters Hall of Fame baseball writer, died on

512
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Speaker 4: this date in twenty fifteen. Nick taught me so much

513
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Speaker 4: about writing, and even though he was covering the Giants,

514
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 4: and I was covering the Orioles or the Rangers, and

515
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 4: I would run into him him all the time.

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Speaker 3: And this is really sad, Jeff.

517
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Speaker 4: But when I was when I was like fifteen years old,

518
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 4: sixteen years old, I was like the most hopeless San

519
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 4: Francisco Giants fan ever. And I actually joined the San

520
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 4: Francisco Giants fan club. And I lived in Maryland. So

521
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: I meet Nick Peters later and I tell him I'm

522
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 4: not a Giants fan anymore because I'm covering Major League Baseball.

523
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: I had to cold turkey and get rid of them,

524
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Speaker 3: which I did.

525
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 4: But I said, I actually joined the Giants fan club

526
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Speaker 4: when I lived in Maryland. And Nick Peters looked at

527
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 4: me and said, you're the guy. So he knew there

528
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 4: was one dorky little person out there who had joined

529
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Speaker 4: the Giants fan club from three thousand miles away. And

530
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Speaker 4: he remembered my name and the state from which I

531
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Speaker 4: was living, and that's how he remembered that.

532
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 3: That you're the guy.

533
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're the guy.

534
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: YEA so great and last thing, Jeff.

535
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 4: On this date in nineteen twenty eight, Jim Lemon was born.

536
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: Jim Lemon was a good outfielder played in the fifties

537
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 4: and sixties, hit one hundred and sixty four homers. Played

538
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 4: for my Washington Senators for several years in the fifties

539
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: when I was born and just growing up. So and

540
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: Jim Lemon famously, Jeff hit a ball at Fenway Park

541
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Speaker 4: one day and it hit the ladder which goes down

542
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: the green Monster.

543
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: You know, there's the ladder in play.

544
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 4: I have been to games there for forty five years

545
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 4: and I've seen the ladder hit one time. But a

546
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 4: million years ago, Jim Lemon hit a ball that hit

547
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 4: the ladder and just ricocheted away from all the outfielders,

548
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: and he ended up getting an inside the park homer

549
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 4: because the ball he hit that was supposed to go

550
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 4: off the wall hit the ladder.

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00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: And went in a completely different direction.

552
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: Jeff, I just got her on the field.

553
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 3: What is that?

554
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: I just got a replay from a couple of seasons ago,

555
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: it might have been last year of the home run

556
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: down the right field line at Fenway Park that bounced

557
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: off the right fielder's glove, off the foul pole homer

558
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: and then into foul territory right and it was it

559
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: was convened as like the world's shortest home run of

560
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: all time was that Bregman?

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Speaker 1: Am I correct here and remembering.

562
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: Who hit it, it might have been.

563
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: You know, it's like three to oh two down the

564
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 4: right field line at Fenway and then of course it

565
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 4: juts out and if you can hook the ball around

566
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Speaker 4: what they call the Pesky Pole, named after Johnny Pesky.

567
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: But apparently Johnny Pesky never.

568
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: Ever curled one around that pole, at least that's my understanding,

569
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Speaker 4: but it was called the Pesky Pole no matter what.

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Speaker 4: So Happy Birthday to Jim Lemon, who of course passed

571
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Speaker 4: years ago.

572
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 5: But in his.

573
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Speaker 4: Honor, Jim Lemon, his honor, we came up with Team Tim.

574
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 4: So I guess this is fairly obvious, Jeff, but can

575
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: you figure out what the Team Tim is as we

576
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: honor Jim Lemon? All fruits. All fruits were very good, Jeff.

577
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: A lemon is a fruit. But I had to go

578
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: the all fruits and vegetables team.

579
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, got it. Couldn't come up with enough bill apples, right, No.

580
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: Pears, no plums, no apples, no bananas right. So yeah,

581
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: so I really needed the vegetables to help me out here.

582
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: So our catcher is Ginger Chanalt he played, you know,

583
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: one hundred years ago. Never heard of him, but Ginger

584
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: is on the list. Trey Cabbage is our first basement,

585
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 4: even though it's a outfielder first basement. Now the second

586
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 4: basement is the biggest stretch ever. This is but there's a.

587
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: Which normally the biggest stretch ever would be the first baseman.

588
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: But right we understand.

589
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: William McCovey, whose nickname was Stretch, and our friend Saint

590
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: Rush and whose nickname is stretched at leads to me.

591
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: So there is the three kids.

592
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: I think it's a vegetable that's called rob our A

593
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: A B. Yeah, And I.

594
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: Really struggled trying to find a second baseman until I

595
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 4: saw Rob recognize that it's spelled.

596
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: I mean it's pronounced r O B. So in the

597
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: biggest stretch ever.

598
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 4: Rob Wilfong is our second basement on the All Fruits

599
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 4: and Vegetables team. Sean Berry is the third baseman. Khalil

600
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 4: Green a little stretch there, but greens, you know, or

601
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: kind of vegetables like generic term. Billy Bean, of course,

602
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: is one outfielder. Darryl Strawberry is second, and Jim Lemon

603
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: is our third of course we could have gone Chet Lemon,

604
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 4: but we can only use one name each time. Bob

605
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: Lemon's a Hall of Fame pitcher, but it's Jim Lemon's birthday,

606
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 4: so we had to put him on there. Kyle Garlic

607
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 4: is our designated hitter. And our pictures and I've got

608
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 4: six of them, Rocky Cherry, Mike Leak, Bob Sprout, Peaches Davis,

609
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: let look hard for that one, Charlie Rude, who gave

610
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 4: up the famous called shot to Babe Ruth in the

611
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: thirty two World Series. Yeah, and you were at that game, right,

612
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: and Spud Chandlers, but of course is a kind of

613
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: a nickname for a potato. So that is the All

614
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: Fruits and Vegetable Team, as a tribute to Jim Lemon,

615
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 4: who played for the Senators when I was growing up.

616
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: As that.

617
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: Before we get to three cards in the bathroom, I

618
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: want to give a quick shout out in this edition

619
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: of Poor Pop Pop Poor, because.

620
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 4: We had a great week and a hard week too, Jeff,

621
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Speaker 4: But go ahead.

622
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sure you phone shut off and you

623
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: couldn't figure it out how to turn it back on.

624
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: Was that the ex you.

625
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: Fixed the printer and then you fixed the printer from

626
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 4: two hundred miles away using face time. Show me, you

627
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 4: know the cartridge, show me where the paper goes in,

628
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 4: and then you fixed it from two hundred miles away

629
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: using face time.

630
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to use face time.

631
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: But let it.

632
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: Let it be known that I felt personally responsible for

633
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: the printer breaking because I'm the one who helped you

634
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: set it up. And then I asked a week before

635
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: it broke, hey, is the printer still working?

636
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: He said, It's the only thing in my life that actually.

637
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: Works, and then it broke. So I like, I kind

638
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: of jinxed it for you, dad. But in this edition

639
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: of Poor Pop Pop, I want to give a big

640
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: shout out to Mike Lindeman, who sent us this message.

641
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: He said, Hi, Jeff and Tim, is this a great game?

642
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: Or what?

643
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: Is so much fun every episode? So thank you for

644
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: the work you both put into this into this podcast.

645
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: I heard Tim say earlier in the month that he

646
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: hasn't been able to figure out how to connect to

647
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: the American Airline in flight Wi Fi.

648
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: As it happens, I'm a flight.

649
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: Attendant for American I would be very happy to fly

650
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: to whatever city and go to wherever Tim is going

651
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: to walk him through the process. We can take as

652
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: much time as needed and get him connected. Keep up

653
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: the great work.

654
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean listen, he serves the people on the flights.

655
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: He's incredibly talented, but he sounds like he's working at

656
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: a nursing home.

657
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: We can take as much time as you need.

658
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 5: Tim.

659
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: You come with me here.

660
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: We're going to have our porridge and our pills, and

661
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: then we're going to sit here and we'll watch reruns of.

662
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: Reruns of Get Smart for you.

663
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 4: I am so bad, Jeff, so thank you so much,

664
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 4: Mike Lindaman for helping me out on this. I will

665
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 4: take you up on this. I'm not and I'm going

666
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 4: to need you on a cross country flight. So you know,

667
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: I don't want to just do it for thirty minutes.

668
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 4: I want to be able to really work on the

669
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 4: plane and you can help me. But that's very very

670
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: kind of you. I really will say that.

671
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: It's going to take you at least from Maryland to

672
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: like Saint Louis to figure out how to get on.

673
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: Then by the time you get there, then you'll have

674
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: the extra two hours across country.

675
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: Right, So thank you very much to Mike, Linda Minn Yes.

676
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: And Dad, you were.

677
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: We've got Eduardo Perez joining us, and if he was

678
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: listening into this right now, he would be, you know,

679
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: face palming right now because when it comes to Tim

680
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: Kirkson on a plane, Eduardo is here for all of

681
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: the stories, and we will have that up when we

682
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: chat with him.

683
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: We will have.

684
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: Him tell his own poor pop pop story from the

685
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 4: last time that he and I took a long flight together,

686
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 4: how he had to carry me it was. It was

687
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 4: really funny. So we'll let Edwardo tell that story tomorrow.

688
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 4: All right, Dad, let's wrap it up with three cards.

689
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: In the bathroom, we want to hear you. We have

690
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 4: a decorated bathroom in my parents' house in the basement.

691
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 4: It's decorated with baseball themed It's the only thing that's

692
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 4: left of baseball in that basement since mom took it

693
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 4: over and made it into a craft studio. So Dad's

694
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 4: really grasping at straws here to keep that basement baseball theme.

695
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: But pretty soon it'll all be in our studio basement,

696
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 4: our basement studio, which is gonna be great for the

697
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 4: opening day episode that I can't wait.

698
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 3: You can't wait. We've done that tape that Wednesday for Thursday. Yes, okay.

699
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: The first card that I picked out was Joe Carter.

700
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 3: Of course.

701
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: Joe Carter hit the game winning home run walk off

702
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: to end Game six and end the nineteen ninety three

703
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 4: World Series, one of the biggest home runs in Major

704
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 4: League history. Joe Carter was a really good run producer

705
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: for a long time, and he used to really love

706
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: to hit at Fenway Park. And Dan Shaughnessy, our Hall

707
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 4: of Fame baseball writer friend, who just won, by the way,

708
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 4: the Red Smith Award, which is awarded so Dan's won

709
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: like everything, like five times, but he won the Red

710
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 4: Smith Award. He wants to ask Joe Carter, why do

711
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 4: you hit so well here at Fenway Park? And Joe

712
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: pointed to the Sit Go sign, the famous sit Go

713
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 4: Gas sign that hovers above Fenway Park, and he goes

714
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: that sign and Dan says, what do you mean And

715
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: he says, look at that sign. It says see it go.

716
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: And that's what Joe Carter used to think about, like

717
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 4: see it go out of the ballpark.

718
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: So that's Joe Carter for you.

719
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: World Series hero from nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 2: We went to Boston and took a tour of Fenway

721
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: Park last fall. Obviously I've been there a number of times,

722
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: but I was with my It was my wife's birthday trip,

723
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: so her twin brother significant others another one of them siblings,

724
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: and I was whispering to them to see it go,

725
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: sit go. And I was that guy on the tour

726
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: whispering fun fact to my friends while the tour guide

727
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: was trying to tell the snore. I mean, it was

728
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: straight out of an episode of Seinfeld.

729
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: Was the tour guide.

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00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: I thought was gonna excuse me, sir, do you have

731
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: something you want to share with the rest of the class.

732
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, the highly annoyed tour director.

733
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: Right, and then he starts talking about the side and

734
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there going I was right, I've taken this

735
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: tour before.

736
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Speaker 1: He got an idiot.

737
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: Love it all right.

738
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: The second one is one of my favorite people ever,

739
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: Steve Balboni, great power hitter for the Kansas City Royals

740
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: many years ago, hit a lot of home runs. But

741
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: and I wasn't there for this. My friend Franz Lids

742
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: was and he claims this happened, But I wasn't there.

743
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 4: And I've never checked this with Steve Balboni. But Steve

744
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: Balboni hit a Grand Slam one night, and one of

745
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 4: the writers like incorrectly told him that was the first

746
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 4: Grand Slam you've hit in your major league career. So

747
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 4: Steve Balboni, who was as sweet a man as you'll

748
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: ever meet, very soft spoken, hardly said a word, said

749
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: something very respectful like, yeah, it's it was great. You know,

750
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 4: once you hit a Grand Slam in the major leagues,

751
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 4: you never ever forget that. And then another writer said,

752
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 4: but but Steve, you hit a Grand Slam last year

753
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: at Sea. Balbodi goes, oh, yeah, I forgot.

754
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: And Dad, you know Franz Lids, you know, former basketball executive,

755
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: uh sports illustrated writer, very very famous writer. And I

756
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: actually got this hat from his line of stores that

757
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: he opened to Liz.

758
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: Right, I like it.

759
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 4: Jeff Franz Lit's one of the funniest people I've ever

760
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 4: met in my life.

761
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 3: One of the great writers ever. Not Jet the last

762
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: card I need.

763
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: I need to establish this that was Was that better

764
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: or worse than when I the Bob Coozy joke of

765
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: he invented the kuzzie and you didn't know what a

766
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: kouzi was well.

767
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 4: Yes, I still don't know what a kouzzie is. So

768
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: let's on, Jeff, come on, how.

769
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: Do you keep your natural lights cold if you don't

770
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: put him in a koozie?

771
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: Dad? I had never heard of that phrase that word before,

772
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 3: and I all right, all right, all right.

773
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: So this is a great time to tell people that

774
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: our first merch drop is going to be is this

775
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: a great game?

776
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: Or what coosies?

777
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: Are you making that out?

778
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm making that up, But if we had merch I

779
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: would want it to be a picture of you and

780
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: then a quote bubble that just says, I don't even

781
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: know what.

782
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: This is, right, And that's just the whole coosing.

783
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 4: That would be a lot of those quote bubbles for me,

784
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 4: because there are a lot of things that I just

785
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 4: don't know.

786
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: Now.

787
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 4: This card did not come from the basement, but I

788
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 4: have to tell.

789
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: This now because it's wrapped in plastics.

790
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: Right. This is Saturday.

791
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 4: I made a speech on Saturday morning at church at

792
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 4: our church, Darnstown Presbyterian Church. I do this once a

793
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: year at the men's breakfast and women are allowed to come.

794
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: It's great. We just talked baseball.

795
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 4: I talked for like an hour and a half yesterday morning,

796
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 4: and my friend Lenny Branson from high school brought me

797
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 4: a autograph, a picture in a frame of Stan Musial,

798
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 4: which is amazing.

799
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: So now I have two autographs total in my house

800
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: and they're both of Stan Musial. What are the chances

801
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: of that? Okay?

802
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: So he also three, you have three because remember McKinley,

803
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: at age one, did sign a baseball for you. Right now,

804
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: nobody would be able to attest that that was McKinley

805
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: Hope Kirkshin's name because it squiggles, but we know what

806
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: it means understood.

807
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: So Lenny, this is so weird.

808
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: Jev also brings me this and says, I brought you

809
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: a baseball card. It's David Bush, who pitched in the

810
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 4: Major leagues. And I've told this story before, but when

811
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: he pitched for the Blue Jays, he was on the

812
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 4: same team as reliever Brandon League. So there were a

813
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 4: bunch of times that the bullpen would bring in David

814
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 4: Bush and follow him with Brandon League. So it was

815
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: the Bush League bullpen that night. I always got a

816
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 4: big kick out of that.

817
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: So I would have loved to be in the press

818
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: box when when the announcer goes over warming up in

819
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 2: the bullpen, Bush and lea Bush League up in the bullpen.

820
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: Right.

821
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 4: Well, we got a big kick out of it. But

822
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: I say to Lenny, who's a bit of a free spirit,

823
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 4: I said, Lenny, what's the significance of this card? And

824
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: he said, well, I looked at a little bit of

825
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 4: information up about you me, Tim Kirkchen on AI, and

826
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: David Bush is your cousin.

827
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 8: And I I said, what, David Bush is not my cousin.

828
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 8: I think I would know if a former Major leaguer

829
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 8: that I covered is my cousin.

830
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 4: So I guess it just means that Ai, which I've

831
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: told you every time I hear AI, I think about

832
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: Alan Iverson. AI must have gotten this wrong, but Lenny

833
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 4: said he looked it up on AI, and I think

834
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 4: this is how he quoted it. He said, and David Bush.

835
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 4: Tim Kirkchen is a cousin of David Bush, but he

836
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: doesn't talk much. He doesn't like to talk about him,

837
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: like there's something wrong with this relationship when there isn't,

838
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 4: because there is no relationship.

839
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: He is not related to me. Can you see what

840
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: he's talking about?

841
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just put it into chat GPT Dad, which

842
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: is a type of AI software, and it says no,

843
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: he David Bush is not related to Tim Kirkshin. Dave Bush,

844
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: former MLB pitcher, current coach with the Texas Rangers.

845
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: Right, we're talking to Yeah, yes.

846
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: Tim Kirkshon, longtime ESPN baseball writer and analyst. No documented

847
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: connection between them. However, if you were wondering because of

848
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: the Kirkston name, Tim does have some known relatives, like

849
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: journalists Stephen Kirkchen, but none tied to Dave Bush.

850
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: Very interesting.

851
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 4: So it's possible that that correction was made as early

852
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: as yesterday because Lenny Branson read it somewhere chat chat GNP,

853
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 4: Gross National Product, whatever it's called, and he said that

854
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: I'm related to David Busch. So here, I am making

855
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 4: a speech yesterday or Saturday at church, and I have

856
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 4: to explain to everyone this that I'm not related to

857
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: David Bush.

858
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: Dad.

859
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: I have some bad news for you. Let me put

860
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: this into terms that you can understand. I think you

861
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: are more likely to get a hit off Paul Skeins

862
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: than to ever truly understand anything about AI. JEF I

863
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: chat chat GPT, right, and it's GDP, and it's g

864
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: I DP right, and now it's b RB until tomorrow

865
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: when we have Eddie on the show, call him Eddie.

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00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: It's Eduardo Aretz from His.

867
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: Mother doesn't like it when we call him Eddie, So tomorrow, respectfully,

868
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 4: we will call him Eduardo and Jeff again. This is

869
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: Eduardo's third straight year. We've done the podcast for three.

870
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 4: This is our third year. He was our first guest

871
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 4: the first year, first guest last year, and to be symmetrical,

872
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: he will be the first guest for the regular season

873
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: this year. So Eduardo Perez leadoff hitter three years in

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00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: a row.

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00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure you know him.

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00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: Well.

877
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: Let's be real, Mirba.

878
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: His amazing wife sent Christmas gifts around to friends and family,

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00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: and you and I both received one. It was an

880
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: Aura frame, you know the picture frame that's like digital

881
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: It shows photos. Did you set yours up yet?

882
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: Yes?

883
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: Oh you did?

884
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 3: Oh it is fabulous.

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Speaker 4: Anything that mervis ends our way you put into action immediately.

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Speaker 4: And all kidding aside, Jeff, Eduardo is the greatest teammate

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Speaker 4: I've ever had in any line of work. Newspapers, radio, magazines,

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Speaker 4: baseball team.

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Speaker 3: Eduardo at Es High. What has been the best teammate.

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Speaker 4: Yes, best teammate I've ever had, so and he will

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Speaker 4: be on with us tomorrow, and I am certain he

892
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Speaker 4: will have stories. I know him so well, he will

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00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: have stories that I've never heard before. And I will

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Speaker 4: have to ask, Eduardo, I've known you for thirty years,

895
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Speaker 4: how could you have never told me that story before?

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Speaker 2: This is why he's the best son of a Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer Major leaguer himself. Broadcaster fantastic. He is such

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Speaker 2: an advocate for the sport. He's such an advocate for

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Speaker 2: the international side of the sport too, So fantastic.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear some amazing stories.

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Speaker 2: You got to take a minute to subscribe wherever you're listening,

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Speaker 2: follow wherever you're listening, all the good stuff because the

903
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty sixth regular season will kick off with Eduardo

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Speaker 2: Perez tomorrow and then of course a giant opening Day

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Speaker 2: episode with our friends at Game Changer that's coming up

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Speaker 2: this Thursday and Monday, Tuesday's Thursdays and JEF.

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Speaker 4: On Thursday, we're gonna throw all the gadgets at you.

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Speaker 4: We're going to have the return, We're going to have

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00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: a new feature last year. Last year we had from

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Speaker 4: Ozzy to oral the greatest Players number one to fifty five.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to spoil where we're going, but we've

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00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 4: got another list where you know, I'm going to come

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Speaker 4: up with the best at this and then you can

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Speaker 4: argue with me or you debate it.

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Speaker 3: It's wonderful.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to have a full show on Thursday,

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Speaker 4: which is opening day for basically everyone. I can't wait,

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Speaker 4: and I will be in Toronto, Jeff for opening Night

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Speaker 4: for the Blue Jays and the A's, and then Saturday

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Speaker 4: afternoon I'll be doing the A's and the Blue Jays

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Speaker 4: on the radio with my cousins. It will be great,

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Speaker 4: great fun.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait. Can't wait for Wednesday to get the season started.

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Speaker 4: But I also can't wait to talk to Eduardo Berez tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. As always, thanks for

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Speaker 2: being a part of our family.