WEBVTT - The Breakfast Club Rewind 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.520 Wake, Come on, wake, come on, Envy Ye and Charlomagne 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.480 wame on everybody that anybody comes through the Breakfast Club. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.959 You know you get voice to people that would be voiceless. 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.600 Right now. Your show has the post of the culture. Yeah, 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:18.920 everyone smells rich, successful for all that. Now, cain't nobody 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.840 tall stop to the team at the Breakfast Club. Wait, wait, 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:27.560 quake your podcast up. This is your time to get 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.760 it off your chests. Whether you're man or blast so 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:31.920 plea better have the same and we want to hear 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.280 from you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? Dude? 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.919 What charm? What dja? Envy? What up? Brothers King? How 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.720 are you doing? My brother? What up? Charlom Peace King? 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:43.640 How are you on Blessed Black and Holly Favor? How 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.239 are you? Brother? Brother? My first time on Breakerence Club. Bro, 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.040 I just want to get it off my chest. Man. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.919 I just want to say, have a great up. Fourth 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.880 to July. Everybody to faith and don't let the fireworks 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.920 turn the good play? Okay, thank you brother, that's real. Hello? 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.640 Who's this? This curving out of Houston? Whatever? Brother? Or 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.000 what's going on? Good morning? As a good morning? How 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.640 are you? I'm doing fine. Good morn morning, brother, Good morning, 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.920 Charlot Mane of Guard Peace King. How are you doing, 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.120 black man? I'm doing all right. I'm cup to celebrate 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.959 back beautiful black queen. All right, shout her out? What's 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.720 your name? I want to celebrate ices Keller right here, 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.080 all the youth and take this my beautiful black queen. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.240 You know were to to celebrate teen years in July, 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.039 and I just want to celebrate, hug and thank God 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.840 for making me the happiest man alive. Yes, I love 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.480 to hear it. The happiest man alive. Okay, thank you brother. Hey' 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.720 getting off your chests? Yeah, I ain't got nothing to 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.800 get off my chest? Really, man, I was serious. I 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.479 was watching to ride Along yesterday and I squere, I said, 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:49.200 Charlot man On, there you did like a cop. I 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.400 wasn't right along playing a cop. People you know had 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.000 a nice little cameo. I walk out right before Ice Cuban, 0:01:55.080 --> 0:02:00.160 Kevin Hart. They come behind me. Yeah, I three, no, man, man, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.920 I love what I'll do. Man, listen to y'all every 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.880 morning when I get off work. Man, keep it up. 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.400 Thank you, brother? Hello, who's this? Yo's your boy? Clutch 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.519 coming from Dade County. What's up, brother? I wanted to 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.640 give a beautiful shout out to my beautiful co workers, 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.919 dad be camping, Miss John said her birthday coming up 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.880 on the damn a teeth, and to my beautiful future fiance. 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:28.000 I'm a proposed, I asked all her birthday on the seventeen. Okay, okay, 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.600 all right, all right, proud of you man? Is it 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.520 a surprise? Because if it was, no, no, no sh 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.160 work right now, show listen to radio, stay shape because 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.720 she'll get fired. But you know what when her friends 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.640 and family members tells her they they ain't go to that, 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.320 shout out all the numbers on lock. Ain't gonna do that? 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.160 All right? Stop cursingsing a oh, I apologize. I have 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.680 a good one. Hello, who's this? Yeah? It was at 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.160 least from naptown. Then what's up? Brother? Get it off 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.200 your chests? Well I want to get off my chest. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.200 Well as I got a question. So I ended up 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:02.880 behind a motorcycle and had some something needs to be sick. 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.280 I ain't giving you no money for your goddamn motorcycle. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:07.600 We ain don't even have don't even put your cash 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.920 out out there that I see where it's going no listen, 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.720 no listen, listen, listen. So I mean it's kind of 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.880 I'm kind of heated, like trying to keep my coob 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.320 because like it was some money I was saving up 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.840 for my first day and it was either vacation or 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:21.679 get my bike fixed. So like, okay, I'm go ahead 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.200 and get my bite fixed. So apparently all the stuff 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.760 that the dude said he did, he didn't do all 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.360 of it. So he gave me out of like like 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.280 damn there two thousand and I think it to a 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.960 different mechanic and he said, you know, well this tick 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.080 like this piece is not new, this and this and this. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.800 So I'm just warning, like what do I do at 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.760 this point? Like soon? Did anything I can do? Can't 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.720 you soon? Can't? You? Can't you get one of these? 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.240 They got attorneys their handle business like this, Do you 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.040 have a contract when you signed it? This here? Like 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:54.000 what do you have some type anything like I get 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.880 like in voices and stuff, but not well, I guess 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.040 not really necessarily a contract. If you if you I 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:01.360 to you that he was gonna do some work and 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.840 he didn't do the work, I'm sure that there's some 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:05.560 legal action to be taken. Have you looked at it? 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.400 Have you looked at the reviews for his company too, 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.280 to see what other people are saying? Uh? Yeah. I 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.200 mean I didn't really speak too much the negativ because 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.279 I mean I'm normally a person kind of stick up 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.599 about that. So I did some research, and I mean 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:24.000 it seemed legit, okay, And there's a better business bureau 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.920 too that you can also do there, that's what it's called. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.200 There you go okay. But I would let him know. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:31.920 I would be like, look, this is what you did 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:33.599 not do. And I like to put things in writing, 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.400 so I would send, I would call, and I would 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.599 send an email detailing what he did wrong, what should 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.960 have been done, what wasn't done, and also let him 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.560 know that you do plan to take action. Good luck, brother, 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.080 Get it off your chests eight hundred five eight five 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.640 one on five one. If you need to vent, hit 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.880 this something now. Was the breakfast club? Good morning, the 0:04:50.120 --> 0:05:00.120 breakfast Club. There's power one the breakfast club and ya 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.800 allain the God I'm telling I'm telling her, what's you doing? 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.520 Call of ya? This is your time to get it 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.599 off your chest, whether you're mad or blessed. Eight hundred 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.600 five eight five one five one. We want to hear 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.600 from you on the Breakfast club. Hello, who's this? You 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:22.120 know the dominated from ball Dominie from dude. What's up? Brother? 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:23.840 Want to good morning? Good morning, y'all? Want to get 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.640 off my chest? You'll shut up to my wife, man, 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.200 she'd be busting her ass all we all cooking? Man? 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.479 Hold y'all. Follow on Instagram stud d A on the Score, 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.719 Perdie Brown on the Score show. Okay, why she busting 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.320 her ass cooking this week? You know she's a personal 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:44.960 show private show. Okay, let's correct. Congratulate her man, appreciate 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.599 appreciate it, y'all. A good morning? All right? Brother? Hello? 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.279 Who's this? Hey? Good morning? Um, This is Clay calling 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:55.000 from North Carolina. Clay, good morning. Get her off your chest? Yes, 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.960 I wouldn't really like to thank y'all. Well, first of all, 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.560 I like to thank good morning, DJ Envy, good morning 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.720 Charlotte Magne and God, and good morning Miss ye Peace, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.680 my guy, how are you? I'm doing great less than 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:14.240 highly favored, but I would but I would like to 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.200 say thank you to you guys, because you guys don't 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.800 really know the impact of what you guys say and 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.279 UM on the way people listen to you, because I 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:29.400 just recently bought a house. Um here and UM, every 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.599 morning I used to listen to you guys. And when 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:36.400 DJ Envy used to talk um about buying the house, 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.400 I used to listen. I just told everybody in the car, 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.320 shut up, shut up, shut up. I need to hear 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.360 this and everything. And I never took one of your classes, 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.920 but I used to listen. And one thing that you 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:47.680 used to say about that credit, you got to get 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.240 that credit right, you know. And UM, I recently bought 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:55.719 a house back in October, and UM, I'm so happy. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.360 I'm so happy. Well, congratulations, congratulations. We try to do, man, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.240 We try to and heard things that we learned outside 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:03.800 of this world. We try to, you know, make sure 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.000 that we teach our people and try to explain to 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.280 our people. We don't know all the answers all the time, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.440 but we just try to point people in the right direction. Brother, 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:16.280 But you guys really got to impact and this. Um, 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.080 you know a lot of a lot of these young 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.400 girls are really listening to y'all. You know what I'm 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:26.280 saying you so, UM, just keep doing and shall and 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:30.760 I me personally, I thank you we appreciate you. Love 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.080 brother now shout to um. You know, July thirty, first season, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.080 and I are doing a seminar in New York to 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.200 Jacob Javis Center where we're gonna be talking about real 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.200 estate and breaking down you know, how to get into 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.960 it starting from credit repair, and we're actually gonna do 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.160 something special. We gotta a bunch of brothers coming through. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.200 I know the brothers from e y Ella be stopping 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.440 through and we got a credit repair and and we're 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.480 gonna be talking about hard money loans and conventional lenders. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.600 And also I know the brothers from e y Ella 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.800 doing a invest fest again this year in Georgia. So 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:00.760 if you can't make it out to the Jacob Javison 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.480 a July thirty first make sure you make it out there. 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.520 And these are just you know, ways where you could 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:09.080 learn the game, learn the business. Uh. I like what 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.440 eyl is doing because they're doing something similar to what 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:13.960 we're doing where we're not trying to charge people three 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.680 four or five thousand and ten thousand dollars. Because I 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.360 always say, if you're go, if you got that much 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.320 money to spend on a course or a class, I'd 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.680 rather you just buy the house. So we're really both 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.440 of us just trying to teach our community how to 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.440 do it, how to build generations well. And Investfest is 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.440 August fifth through the seventh and Atlanta. I'm actually gonna 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.560 be there, okay as well, so salute to salute the eyl. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.600 So definitely get your tickets. Jacob Javison A July thirty first, 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.400 uh and uh. Or you can, like I said, invest 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.080 FSTs in Atlanta, get it off your chest eight hundred 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.480 five eight five one h five one if you need 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.120 to hit or something, and you can hit me in 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.520 my um my link in my buyer because I'm gonna 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.600 be at Investfests as well, so either or you could 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:59.600 check you sneaky link? What means sounded you can't hit me? 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:01.840 You can't hit me. I got my link in my bio. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:03.480 You're gonna be with me, So what do you mean 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.520 sneaky link? You a little sneaky link. Shut up, man, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.319 It's the Breakfast Club. Come on, get it off your chest, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:15.760 the Breakfast Club. Step up power one O five one 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.640 the Breakfast Club. Your morning's will never be the same morning. 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.720 Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:26.960 are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.320 the building, yes, indeed from Bell and we have Jabari Banks. Well, 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.600 you're what's going on? How are you feeling, my brother? 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.880 I'm great man how y'all man Less Black and Holly Favor. Yeah, exactly, 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:38.360 Blessed to be here, blessed to be with y'all. This 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.240 is incredible, that's right. Congratul on the successive bell As 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.160 thus far. Did you feel a lot of pressure having 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:48.040 to play such an iconic, iconic role, Yeah, definitely, definitely 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.360 the pressure. But you know, many talks with Will, many 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.120 talks with Morten Cooper, our creator, and you know, they 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.280 just reminded me to just be be me, you know, 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.240 bring myself to the role. And you know, it's exactly 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:57.520 what Will was doing when he was being the fresh 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:58.760 friends in the nineties, you know what I mean. He 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.600 was trying to be nobody else. That's what I had 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.600 to do. How did you get into acting? I got 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.040 into acting in high school and I sort of, you know, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.160 it was just like dollying around. And then I went 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:10.640 to college for it because my mom needed me to 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.200 go to college, and I was like, I'll go to 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.160 college for acting. And then I'm from Philly and I 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:19.280 from Maryland. Yeah, and uh West Philadelphia boy and race. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.240 it's crazy because I live I lived in West Philly 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:26.360 with my uncle Phil. His name is James. Listen, listen. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.680 His name is James James Brogan, right, Okay, but we 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.040 called him Phil because he lived in Philly and I 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.480 lived with him for a long time, and so that's 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.160 why you know, Uncle Phil's real name was James James. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:40.360 A lot of instances within the show, not just me, 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:41.959 with everybody in the cast, you know what I mean, 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.880 that kind of like intertwined them with the story. But yeah, yeah, 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.800 I went to school in Philly at University of the Arts, 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:49.400 and then I fell in love with it. Then, so 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.800 did you tell people that story like growing up being 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.560 from Philly and having an uncle named No, it didn't. 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.439 It didn't make sense. I mean, it didn't look a register, 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.480 you know what I mean. Like I wasn't really tripping 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.760 off of it until every thing clicked and then it 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.440 was like, oh wow, like every part of my life 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.680 has sort of led up to this. You know why 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.440 you were a fresh Prince fan? I'm assuming Yeah, okay, 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.760 all right, now, according to the Philly Voice dot com, 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.840 the director, Morgan Cooper Heat had a twenty five thousand 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.319 dollar budget to do a feature film teaser for bell 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.640 Air with with different actors. So how did that turn 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.680 into this is gonna be a show. Well, so basically, 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.880 you know, Morgan put the trailer out, you know, just 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.760 out of love and out of a pure place, you 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:28.920 know what I mean. He was just like, I love 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:30.559 the Fresh Friends, I want to see this, I want 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.680 to tell the story that I want to tell, you know. Uh, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.680 and he just he took that and he put it 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.760 on YouTube. And I think within the first day Will's company, Westbrook, 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.520 they hit him up and you know, they were like, 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.880 we want to, you know, talk with you and develop 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:45.959 this thing. And you know, I think a couple of 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:47.640 weeks after that, he was sitting with Will and he 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.520 was talking about, you know, where we want to take 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:51.680 this story and uh, you know, years down the line 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.400 here we are totally different tone though totally different tones. 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.240 Break that down. Break down if people haven't seen this show, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.720 the differences between what we seen as a kid fresh 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.960 prince of bel Air. Yeah, well, you know, bel Lair 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.599 twenty twenty two version is a dramatic retelling of the 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.760 Fresh Prince of bel Lair, the quintessential nineties sitcom, and uh, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.600 you know, it's all the characters that we know and love, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.880 but basically we get to dive deep into who they 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:16.800 are and the actual stories that are going on in 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:18.720 their lives, and uh, you know, it's a it's a 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.480 modern day retelling of the Fresh Prince of bel Air basically, 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.560 and um, and when you think of the story, you know, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.560 our our showrunner TJ. Brady, he said it perfectly. He 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.440 was like, we all know the story of the Joker, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:29.880 you know what I mean. But when we see jan 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.760 Kie Phoenix do what he was doing, it was like, 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.960 did you really think about it? You know what I mean? 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.160 And so like we get to see the story, we 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.040 get to see how Will ends up in bell Lair, 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.160 and it's gonna be super exciting for like old fans 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.040 and new fans and man, it's it's been crazy to 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.840 love around the project. Did you were you afraid to 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.199 turn something that? I guess what's so happy? So I 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:50.840 would call it bright. I'll call Fresh Prince of bel 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.720 Air bright? Would you were you afraid to turn something 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.400 like that? Dark? Nah? I wasn't afraid of it, um 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.880 because when I had seen Milk Morgan's trailer, I was like, oh, 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.240 I get it, I get it, and I'm I was 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.120 like watch that, you know what I mean. And so 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:04.520 I think it's I think it's important because it's a 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.599 reflection of our world, you know what I mean? And 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.560 I think, you know, it's it's important to see that. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.600 How hands on was Will Smith during the taping and 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.360 all that, I always say that it was it was 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.120 great that he wasn't because he really gave us. He 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.280 really left the our retelling and our creation of these 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.199 characters to our own volition, you know what I mean, 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:23.440 And so that allowed us to create these, you know, 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.720 characters that ourselves are in, you know what I mean. 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.400 He didn't have this thumb on it, hella, you know 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:28.959 what I mean. And so I feel like that's what 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.679 I appreciated about him. But you know, he definitely gave 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.360 us a lot of tips. What about the other characters, 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.840 Carlton and all of any of them coming on and 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:36.559 said or yeah, we have to, we have to. We 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.360 had a few talks with the original cast, so it 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.280 was definitely a blessing to to get their blessing them 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:41.800 to see that that torch passed, you know what I mean. 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.560 I always wonder to you know, if and I would 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.360 love to add world is but maybe he told you. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.920 I wonder what he had played that character differently now 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.720 because you know, oh he's older now and he always 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.840 said that back then he was he would pretending to 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.480 be somebody he wasn't, right. I wonder what he played 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.600 that approach that character different? Definitely. Yeah, I feel you know, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.440 like when he when he was, you know, doing the 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.679 Fresh Friends thing, he had no acting shops at all. Yeah, 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.080 you know what I mean, and so he was just 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:10.880 kind of up there just trying to figure it out. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.600 And uh, I definitely think knowing what he knows now, 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.280 it definitely would have been different, but it wouldn't have 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.560 been as raw. So you got, you got acting shops, 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.080 so you weren't doing what willcames, but he said Will 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.600 used to be saying everybody. It was a little different 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:23.960 for me. It was a little different for me because 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.920 I was a theater actor and so this is my 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.400 first time being in front of a camera, in front 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.760 of a forty person you know, camera crew, and uh, 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.760 and so that was definitely a learning curve for sure. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.720 How did this go to? You? Just? You know, I 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.960 just sent to him my audition, you know, with I had, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.120 I had a manager, had an agent that I got 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.760 through a showcase, and uh, you know, they sent me 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.960 the call. They were like, Yo, there's this show called 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.000 bell Air and for this character Will. And I was like, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.960 hold on Bellaire Will. And I saw the call and 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:52.600 I was like, okay, okay, I could do this. I 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.080 knew it was me. I just had to prove to 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.200 everybody else. But I thought that they wanted like a 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:57.840 big name, you know what I mean. I thought that 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.400 they wanted somebody who was recognizable to everybody else. And 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.080 so I was like, I don't know how I'm gonna 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:03.880 get this role, but you know what I mean, I 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.960 just had to surrender to the whole process. And uh. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.680 And so I sent him my call and uh and 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.000 a couple of a couple of weeks down the line. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:12.320 What did you have to do on that first tape? 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.000 Do you remember? Yeah, it was a couple It was 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.480 a couple of scenes. No I have to wrap, no, no, 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.480 I just uh, I just uh it was it was 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:19.920 a couple of scenes. It was actually a scene with 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.800 Lebron in it. Lebron was supposed to be in the 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.600 first episode, you know it was you know, budgeting, you know, well, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:26.840 he was supposed to be playing with it the people 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.440 you're playing ball against. No, no, no, no, he was 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.480 to be at the Bellair party. Was like, Yo, that's Lebron, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.200 you know what I mean. So I didn't seeing Lebron 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.120 was in it um and I mean as as soon 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.960 as I read the scenes when I first got the script, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:40.480 I was like, oh, this show has something to say. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.920 All right, we have more with Jabari Banks, he plays 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.560 Will Smith in the new series Bella. We'll talk to 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.800 them some morest to Breakfast Club. Good morning the Breakfast Club. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:16:03.200 Oh wait, Yati and Charlemagne, the Guard's top time on 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:07.440 the phone called eight hundred five eight five, one oh five. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.640 Want to join it to the discussion with the breakfast Club. 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:14.480 Talk about it more than everybody's dj enjy Angela, yee. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.840 Charlomagne the guy we are the breakfast Club. Now, if 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.760 he's just joining us, we're talking about some of the 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.200 fattest things you've done. I'm not gonna lie bro that 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.360 pizza slice with that shrimp fried rice on it got 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.800 me like, damn, I bet you that's amazing. And if 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.200 you like roll the pizza up like it's a like 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.120 a pizza roll like you put the shrin and rolling. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.840 Oh lord, Hello, who's this? Hey? This is all as well, man, 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.720 I'm all the time fail you pizza as well? Oh man, Man, 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.480 I did the fattest thing ever last night. I want 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.880 the food line got me a box with the ice 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.600 cream Snickers. I wouldn't got me a box of the 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.760 ice cream clown Dyke. And then I topped it off 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:53.120 with a diet root bear. You island, How why do 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:54.640 you get the diet root bed? He might as just 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.760 go all the way in. I got about the stake 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.720 of our laugh. I thought I had it. I was 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:04.000 in Charlemagne, his hand on her most corner that come out. 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.400 You went to picking whiggily. We went picking whiggily. Food line. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.160 Oh I love food line. Listen back in the day 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:11.960 when man getting up. If you had like two dollars 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:13.600 and you go in the food line, you can get 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.800 you a box of Lord Debbie old meal cream pies 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:17.960 and one of them big three liters soldiers for ninety 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.120 nine cents, the generic brand now not no name brand. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.760 Now the food line brand. My goodness. Yeah, some dude, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.840 I did something fat I was thinking about all man, 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.000 I got to call y'all back. So I was the 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.840 originator right of the song. Girl. You know it's true 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.200 to y'all. Boy Kevin Liles, that's how he got on 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.440 when y'all had that, tell them why you're mad? I'm 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.280 gonna share that with y'all. You wrote to believe in 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.520 nilly song. Yeah, I'm from Baltimore. The Baltimore New Marks 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.879 come out and I relocated to South Carolina. On the 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.640 credits to say, Kevin Liles, Kevin ain write that song. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.639 Kevin a speech, Kevin just took the song that ran 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.320 from Baltimore, got on with depth jam. Come on, I'm 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.720 here to share it this morning. I mean, it don't matter. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:18:01.160 He won. Kevin, what's your name? King? All as well? 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:06.080 All as well? Well, don't sound like it, but I 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.879 appreciate you. King. Here, I got my trucking company and 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.679 you go, okay, you living got one of the biggest 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.840 houses in months corner. Come out where you live at 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.880 the Month's Corner. I'm an old fifty two man down 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:23.600 there from ww Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.159 when you got the biggest houses of monks colder. I 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:26.879 ain't mad at you, bro, know exactly where you had 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.560 off old fifty two. Well, congratulations all as well. Salute 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.080 to you King, Salute to y'all. Y'all keep up the 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.080 good work. Man, y'all, keep it cool on the stool 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.400 and keep us laughing in the morning. Come out. That's right, 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.480 And remember happiness is subjective, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.280 Like you know, people always want to put a dollar 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.000 out the happiness or you know what you're doing in life. 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:45.800 Whatever you're doing in life that makes you happy and 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.520 you're making a living, you're successful. Hello, who's this successful 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.760 and happy? There you go? Hello, who's this listen? Jasmine? 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.919 Good morning, Jasmine, good morning. We'll talking about some of 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.119 the fattest things you've done. I don't need to make 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:04.480 sure this is a judge free zone zone always, so 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.119 I rememb Virginia. Me and my friend put it like this. 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.800 We drove from to put it in perspective, Norfolk State 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.399 to VCU to get a to go to a ladies 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.680 restaurant that went viral for baby shower plates. Baby shower plates? 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.440 What are you talking about? She went vibra. We have 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.399 found her on We found her on Facebook and she 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.960 went viral because she was selling baby shower place. It's 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.080 like at the beginning of COVID. Oh, so you want 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.879 to go find that food? When I want to go 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.760 find that food. We drove from Norfolk State up to DCU. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.240 We couldn't even go sit down in the restaurant. We 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:43.760 had to sit our fat hell in the Car's the 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.520 food was worth it, though, absolutely not. I could have 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.560 I could have made that. But listen, you had you 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.520 had a great experience with your friends. It was a memory, 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.359 you know, it was memory. That's right. And that's what 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.000 that's what that's what it's about. It's about food, fellow 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.440 ship and and fringe. That's what food is for. That's right, 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:08.800 that's right, that's right. Thank you. Hello. Who's this? It's 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.240 fresh Fresh with up man. We're talking about some real 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.679 fat boy inch this morning. Man, what's the fattest thing 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.080 you've done? I ain't gonna lie, bro, I'm only like 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.280 one thing, but everybody who knows me can't be fat, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.879 fat spirit, fattened spirit. I ain't gonna lie like the 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.480 fat the fatten thing, real bro. Everybody said I'm really 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.479 like probably sick a two fish because I do everything fat. Bro. 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:32.560 Last we got I ate some old meal because I 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.120 don't want to wait on it to cool. I put 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:35.920 it in the priest for about five minute. I don't 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.199 see nothing wrong that with pizza though, Yeah you do 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.280 that with Yeah, pizza be too hot. I just putting it. 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.639 I putting a little fridge for about my mouth. All right, 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.440 So what about this, I'm microwave my icebreak. Now, that's 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.240 just that's just stupid. Now. Now I do microwave it 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:51.639 a little bit if it's too hard. Now, when you 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.320 put that spoon in there, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.840 that now, Mica, I do that. No, I do that 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:58.439 because you want your eyes. I like, you gotta want 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.199 it to be soft. You want that spoon to just 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.280 go right through it. Yeah. I don't microwave it though. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:05.920 I just put it on the counter for a little while. 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:12.800 I don't microwave it, man, I give about fifteen get there, okay, okay, okay, 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:14.919 well thank you? All right? All right? Man, So now 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.879 y'll feel fat, y'all hungry like I am. The food 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.399 is amazing, bro. The moral of the story is, you know, 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.720 I think you diet is a bank account, and good 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.160 food choice is a good good investment. And it doesn't 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.520 sound like y'all making good investments like I was talking about, 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.639 we just random things. It sounds like there's some of 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.480 y'all regular everyday die all right, to just make sure 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.360 you're making uh, you know, good food choices, to make 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.639 good investments, that's all. But man, food is life. Well. 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.240 I love food so much, absolutely, Lord have mercy. We 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.359 all fat, we all trans fat, bro, and we just 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.399 need to accept it. Don't nobody really like eating healthy? No? No, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:51.440 healthy could be delicious, that's not true. Sure it definitely 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:55.840 taste like yeah, I don't sure it. Take the man jest. 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:59.040 Juices for life. Those are amazing. It's like dessert. They're good, 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.399 taste good, like mangoes. Oh my god, I love a 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.600 good juicy mango. If all this stuff we really love 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:08.920 to eat was healthy, like if there was if Chrispy 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.119 Cream donuts kept us alive, guess we'd be eating this 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.800 morning right now for me. If Chick fil A's what 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:16.800 gave us muscles, guess what we'd be eating this morning? 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:18.400 Remember what I used to eat every morning to pill? 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:23.640 And I love spinas with guylic yem all right, well 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:29.840 the Breakfast Club, Good morning, the Breakfast Club Morning. Everybody 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.320 is DJ Envy Angel Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We are 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:34.879 to Breakfast Club. We got a special guests in the 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:39.600 building any time talk Royalty. Where'd you get that? Who 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:41.440 wrote that? I love my mom for sending that in 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.960 thank you? She listens to the Breakfast Club. Good morning, mama, 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.199 good morning, was all how are you? I'm wonderful? How 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.800 about yourself? And blessed black? And I love that. I 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.399 am feeling the same way. Absolutely absolutely good to see you. 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:55.280 Thank you. This is my first time in your studio. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.159 I know it's aulation overload. Yeah, we did zoom so 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:03.480 I'm I wanted those people because it's the clean, latest thing, 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.760 stories behind everything. That's right. Oh yeah, DJ and V 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:07.919 you and your wife are going to be on my 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:11.639 show soon. I can't wait. We're excited. I love this. 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.680 There's a lot of alcohol, but you don't what oh 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.000 oh oh you do have the puffy Send me a 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:23.680 monogram vodka? I never opened it. You guys have one? Yeah? 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:25.840 I think you have one too. Yeah, so yeah, if 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:27.280 has your name on it, you know you kind of 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.000 got to I guess you're not supposed to drink those. 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.160 I didn't drink it. I just left it there. It's 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.600 it's for a prop like y'all, but it's cute. How 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.640 was it for you doing the show during a pandemic 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:40.240 without an audience? Oh, it's terrible. It was terrible. I know. 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:42.360 I had Seth Meyers on the show the other day 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.160 and he said he enjoyed it because it allowed him 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.399 to connect more with viewers in the way he didn't expect. 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.120 I think the first half of it, I said, just think, God, 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:53.200 we're on air, like we're on air because we would 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.400 be canceled otherwise, so we have a chance to stay on. 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.679 And then when we went back in and had to 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:04.280 go back out this last round when Amar, I'm a journalist, 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:10.239 and I'm a journalist, I should know better. But that 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:13.440 second wave in December, I had to go back into 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:15.600 my home and do the show and it was miserable 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.440 and I realized, and you all know this, and Charlottage, 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.919 especially with your shows, it is having an audience is 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.199 It's like the team commandments. It's one of the rules 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.840 of daytime. You have to have an audience. I my 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.479 first time even attending a daytime talk show. I went 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:34.160 to Temple University and I came to see Haraldo rivera 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:37.680 wow in person, way back when he had a talk show, 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:40.440 and it just it's a part of the energy. So yeah, 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.359 it was rough. I did not like it. I wonder 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:44.399 when you went to go see Haraldo back in the day, 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.440 does that when the bug hit you? Did you totally 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:51.080 not know the show? Like people throwing chairs? No, no, no. 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.520 I was a college student at Temple and they, you know, 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.080 they would always recruit young audiences to come in and 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:58.879 we were here. Two of my best friends are from 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.199 Brooklyn and I went to Temple, and so we just 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.160 did what college kids do. You come to New York, 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.000 You hang out in Times Square, You got free tickets 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:06.840 to go to a show, and it happened to be 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:09.680 Horaldo rivera'z. So when did you get the bug? When 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.720 did you see yourself? When did I get the bug? 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:13.639 When did I get the bug? Well? Um, I would 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.400 I was born. If I if you ask me what 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:19.600 I would be doing right now other than this, I 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:24.080 jokingly say blackjack dealer. But I don't even have to 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:25.920 play cards. I didn't have a well, I don't even 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:27.479 have to play cards. I can't play spades, and I'm 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:30.680 from the South. I'm embarrassing. I don't I am I 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.000 don't know how to play dominoes. I'm an embarrassed. Can 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.040 you at least I don't play board games? Went to 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:40.280 a board game? What is it a card game? I 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:43.040 don't play cards. I don't. I was never one of 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.720 those people. I don't. I don't play monopoly. I think 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:47.920 I do. What did y'all do in college, though, because 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.080 that's a lot of good stuff. But we played spades, 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:52.359 we played cards, not me. You didn't go to class. 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:56.880 I did not. Not a lot of what was going 0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:00.960 on to Temple House music party. We used to hang 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:05.720 out at Pen a lot the Pen parties and Mittenhall parties. 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:08.600 But no, I never played cards, so I don't even 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.080 know we got on that one. But yes, i'd say 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.560 blackjack dealer, but no, I never had a backup plant. 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.680 This was always what I wanted to do. I think 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.480 early on Johnny Carson's show was something that was in 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:22.080 the background. But I quickly realized I wasn't a white 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.280 guy and named Jimmy or James, and so that Late 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.919 Night World throughout my entire career was really just a 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.480 white guy into our Sineo. And I think I think 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:36.560 maybe seeing our Sineo obviously Rolanda, obviously Oprah Phil Donahue, 0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.560 but they all had different Do you remember Rolando Watch 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:43.280 people forget how important she was in the marketplace. So 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.119 it was there wasn't a moment. It was just I 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:48.359 felt like I didn't have a choice. It was that 0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.359 I was this was what I was going to do, 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:51.840 and I didn't know it was gonna be a talk show. 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:53.520 I knew I was going to be a journalist. I 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.800 love writing, I love reporting. The talk show thing happened, 0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:58.639 as you know, because I got fired, and so I 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:00.760 had to figure out how as I going to get 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:04.879 back into TV and not feel as owned as I 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:08.879 had previously. If you hadn't have gotten fired from the 0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:12.680 Today Show, do you think you'd ever gotten into daytime talk? No, 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:15.080 because in daytime talk any shows, you know, that's just 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.840 with y'all show people. It's almost like the Rocky syndrome. 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.359 People need to root for you, and in talk show world, 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.800 they need to root for you, they need to feel 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.760 a connection with you. And so while I did have 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:29.639 a great run, I feel at the Today Show and 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:31.760 even before that in Chicago for ten years because I 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:34.480 was recruited to come to the Today's Show after being 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.600 on air in Chicago. But uh no, because you have 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:39.199 to have an arc every you know, it's it's like 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.320 a superhero. You need like I had the ultimate nemesis 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.240 in the person that they selected, even though I never 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:48.960 met her and never crossed path. Whether you have that justaposition. 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:51.159 Clearly I watch a lot of superhero things, but you 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:54.919 have so you have a juxtaposition of a villain, You 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.840 have your story, your origin story. So what was my 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.440 origin stories? I got fired and as a black woman, 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.440 being forty eight years old and being fired, that hit 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:05.440 a nerve with people. What is she going to do? 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.360 How does she come back? And that gave me opportunities 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.359 to get in rooms. But if I'm being honest with you, 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.240 and I always will be, Harvey Weinstein got me in 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:16.840 rooms that I was never going to be able to 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.800 get in. He was the most important person in Hollywood 0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:24.440 and he decided he wanted to produce a talk show 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:29.560 with me, and so people started taking meetings to hear 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:34.240 the pitch because of Harvey Weinstein, and then midstream, Harvey 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.240 was accused of rape, and which I learned over a 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.880 text message. Someone anonymously text me and said, there's an 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.720 accusation of the R word, and I was like, our word? 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.440 What does that mean? And then it all what happens there? 0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.360 Because he helped you with your career? No, he helped 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:50.480 me get meetings. I helped me with my career, helped 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:52.440 you get meetings. But on the other end, he's, you know, 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.800 accused of sexually terrifying all to the place. So do 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:57.360 you just step back and say, look, I'm the mind 0:28:57.360 --> 0:28:59.600 of my business. I don't know, and he's helped put 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.440 me into I didn't know what to say. It was 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.240 like an emotional grenade. I had never been in a 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.440 room along with him. So the first part was thank 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.600 god right then the second part was wait a minut 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:12.480 due the people who came with me in a room, 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.280 did they know? And is that why they didn't leave 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.680 me in the room? So there were these many, many questions, 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:22.080 and then, I'll be honest, came the moment where I 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:26.240 was worried about my own survival and then I felt guilty. 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.400 Not It wasn't that I didn't care. I would never 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:31.800 say that, But there was a moment where you think 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.400 my career, Oh my god, what happens to me? I 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:36.160 don't have a job. Now I've been in the room 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:39.120 with him. Now I'm tied and linked to him, and 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:42.520 this show will never get off the ground because of 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.360 the people we were pitching too were white males of 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:50.200 his level, if you will, who were not necessarily open 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.760 to an idea of a talk show with me black woman, 0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.680 because there hadn't been one, right, Wendy had the longest 0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.760 running talk show outside of Oprah. There've been here and there, 0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:02.200 But if you look at the long list of daytime 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.680 talk shows, just largely white men and women who these 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:10.680 syndicators believe could appeal to quote unquote mainstream. And so 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:12.560 even though the best who had ever done it and 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:15.600 the most successful in daytime was a black woman after 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.040 you didn't have children, she knocked off all of the 0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:21.840 stereotypes of what's relatable. So now I'm linked to him, 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:25.200 I'm worried about my own survival, I am my backup plan, 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:29.840 I am thinking this, I'm screwed. And then I had 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:32.800 to take a step back and say to myself, what 0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.920 about these women who are making these allegations? And I 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:39.120 know just like with Bill Cosby, who spoke at my graduation, 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.200 who I replaced on the board of trustees at Temple University. 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:44.600 Even if you don't believe all of them, if you 0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:46.840 half half and then half that half, you have at 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.400 least one or two. Yeah, and if there's one, that's 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.400 one too many. And that's how I looked at it. 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:54.440 So I had to take a step back. In the 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:58.240 minute that I started thinking about what it must be 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:02.280 like for them, It's like the floodgates open my confidence. 0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.200 I said, I'm going back in these rooms. I'm going 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:06.719 to rewrite letters to all of these people and say 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:08.640 you let me in the room with him. Now, let 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.480 me in the room by myself, and let me pitch myself. 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.440 And so some of them said yes, some said no. 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:19.000 As the spiritual woman that had to like, really psychologically, 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.000 that's God working in a really mysterious way, right, It 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.880 wasn't so mysterious. I actually felt like it was a 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.480 clear sign that, you know, Lena Horn had a quote 0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:29.560 that was in this book Stormy Weather, and I have 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.720 a great obsession with Lena Horne. She said something about 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:34.960 white men getting you in rooms that you can't get 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:39.120 yourself in and that's how she felt at the time, 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.440 and ultimately that's not true. People will let you in 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:46.560 the room. I think you have to just keep beating 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.760 down the door over and over. You. We are all 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:50.680 in this business that we know. You walk in and 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:55.880 you're instantly stereotype, You're instantly assumed to be something. Yes. 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.160 And so I wrote back notes and I'd learned how 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:02.720 also to tell people. I definitely channeled fifty cent a 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:06.160 couple of times in I became no longer afraid to 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.680 brag on myself. Yeah, you know, you have your own 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.440 merit and you deserved it, but we shrink it down. 0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.560 I mean we all do, but women we especially do 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.440 in these meetings. And so then you defer to laughing 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:21.480 at jokes that aren't funny, or your presentation changes a lot. 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.480 And so I said, I'm thirty years in this business. 0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:27.400 I'm going to run my resume down. And I really 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:31.120 did channel every hip hop artist that you mail that 0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:33.480 you can imagine, and I specifically zeroed in on men 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.440 because they get a pass at saying some of the 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:40.280 things that women can. And I went in very, very hot. 0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:42.760 I was like, this is who I am, and this 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.160 is what I did and if I have to explain myself. 0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.160 And I'm sure that was a turn off to some people, 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:51.200 but other people received it with the intention of I 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.280 don't stand up for myself who is and that's how 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.280 I've played it. I always wondered about daytime television, like, 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.800 even though Oprah should be the bar right black woman 0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:04.200 who defied every stereotype, weird name, some would say, you know, 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.600 looks everything, why didn't they continue to look for more 0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:09.600 of that instead of just going cookie cutter like they did. 0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:16.320 I don't understand it. It is something that I goodness 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:23.120 it is they wanted daytime I believe not they Some 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:27.680 people want it daytime to be white. It's like, for 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.600 I call it the Fort Green Centrome, and it's that 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.320 you have this neighborhood and for it to be of value, 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:36.200 some people believe that it has to be white. And 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:40.000 so as a result, even though the audience is largely 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:43.080 all women of all different backgrounds, our show is almost 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:47.800 fifty fifty fifty percent African American, Latino Asian, fifty percent white. 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:51.400 So we have this beautiful diversity just straight down the 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.600 middle of this show. And though we have to happen 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:58.200 to have one of the highest income earning daytime shows. 0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:02.000 So these are people, mostly women who buy, who have 0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.160 huge purchasing power. But there will be people who say, 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.239 fifty percent African American, that's not the audience we want. 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:09.880 And you know they still say that. You know that 0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:11.880 there is still the conversation, and I have it all 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.919 the time. I've had people call in and say, oh, well, 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:19.240 why is this Why do they have so many urban 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.440 guests this week? And then you have other people who 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.239 claim I don't, which is obviously not true. But it's 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:29.600 a fascinating thing and I think it still remains part 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.719 of television. I don't want to get into this whole thing, 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.399 but listen when I when I grew up watching TV, 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:38.960 it was almost more diverse than it is now. You 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.279 know Martin in Living Color. I mean the list of 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.680 you go through some of the breakout shows and television, 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.680 the fresh prints and on and on, Oh my god, 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.880 Damon Wayne's show, Bill dil hugely show. I mean, we 0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:54.000 go to Bill Cosby and Oprah, but there was a 0:34:54.280 --> 0:35:00.000 We just had guy Torreon for their documentary about Fat Tuesdays, 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.759 and they talked about this night that was created because 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.600 TV executives would not go to Compton to hear comedians. 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.360 So they brought the comedians to the Sunset Strip, and 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.200 almost every show you watched during the nineties and two 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.279 thousands was because of a black comic performing on that 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.480 night and being seen by executives who would never have 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.279 gone to Compton to hear them. So it's fascinating. But 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:25.240 I think, you know, I think it's a valuable landscape. 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:29.000 That's why every year you see more shows launched, because 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:33.960 there's money in daytime, but it's not always seen as 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.799 a value when that money is coming from us. Sadly, yeah, 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:40.440 because we saw a Nick Cannon show only six months 0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:44.160 and then they canceled it rather quickly, and we were 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:45.759 saying up here, we feel like he really didn't get 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:50.040 a fair shake. And what's what do you define as 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:53.320 a fair shake? Like not enough time to really layer 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.520 make a mark and established. It feels like you need 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:58.920 a little bit more time than six months. What do 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:05.040 you think? No, I think that he is brilliant and 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.560 he is one of the best interviewers I have ever 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:15.160 sat in the room with. I think the show wasn't him. 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.560 I don't know what the show was, but it wasn't him, 0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:20.840 And I think that's I think they needed a reset, 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:22.759 but it was too late. But I also think he 0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:27.200 got an incredible chance because he came in after a 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.799 scandal that would have broken most people. I would not 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.920 have gotten on TV had I said the comments about 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:37.040 whatever he said, which he apologized for and he deserved 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:40.640 forgiveness for, and he deserved to be on air. I 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:45.439 believe that was a big chance. A lot of people 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:47.359 would not have been able to get back on air, 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.680 and I think that may have taken him off of 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.960 who he is. Right, could you come in with such pressure? 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.560 You've now just said this thing, You've apologized, but you 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.000 know people are swirling and they're looking for you to fail. 0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:01.080 And so I didn't always see like the Nick that 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.680 I love on that particular show. Could you beat that 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.560 on daytime? No? Because what you said, how do he 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.000 want you to k did a Middle America? I think 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:11.440 he could. He's got Nick Cannon is one of the 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:15.960 most successful people in entertainment bar none. I mean think 0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:18.320 about all of the shows, so he has a huge 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:22.640 fan base. I think coming in under that pressure was 0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:24.840 never going to change, right. He was coming in with 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.919 a cloud of people thinking, oh right, he got a shot, 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:29.720 Look what he said, Look what he did. And then 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.000 I feel, you know, his personal life, which he was 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.680 so honest and open about, was used against him. I mean, 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:39.839 why he has, you know, kids or whatever. It was 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:43.799 these storylines that became overshadowing of his talent, and he's 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.279 so talented. No, that's true, because it's like you can't 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.160 even really get into discussions about the show because you 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.520 gotta dig to all the exactly and so all the 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:53.480 articles became about his personal life, not about he had 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.239 Jamie Fox on. They had this amazing segment. I'm a 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.080 TV junkie. I watch everybody's show. I listened, so I 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:01.480 never watched him as competition. I watched as a fan. 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:05.480 But I feel like people didn't talk about the content. 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:07.080 So I don't know how that was ever going to change, 0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:08.759 That's what I mean. So if you give him another year, 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:10.640 another six months, were they going to be able to 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:13.360 change what people were talking about, sadly, which was his 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.440 personal life and he owned it, he smiled about whatever. Well, 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.319 I don't. I just I thought, why aren't we talking 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:21.840 about his interviews or his content? And so that's what 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:23.480 I mean by it. I don't know if a year 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.480 would have changed that. But if anybody's going to be 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.920 back on TV with sixty thou shows on TV, right, 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:31.160 he still is. He's got more shows and more millions 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.920 than I'll ever have. This Tamin Hall feel like a 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:38.759 successful talk show. Hosha. Yeah, okay, I do, I do? 0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.080 I do? What talking about you? Man? That's an interesting question. 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.680 Why do you ask me that? Um? Just because it's like, 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.759 you know you, You came in and then everybody's like, oh, 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:46.960 we don't know if it's gonna last, But then you 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.040 got another season. Now you got renewed for two. So 0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:56.040 now you breathe aside relief and like, okay, no, but 0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:59.919 if everything was end now, you'd feel successful if every 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:01.879 think we're to end now? How do I guess? How 0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:05.799 do you define success? What is success? Right? So? I 0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.759 think for me, success is, yeah, I did something to 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:10.960 your point that people didn't think could be done, and 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:12.920 now we're about to go on our fourth and fifth season. 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.280 I don't know how I listen. I was a success 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.160 the day that I was born. My mother beat the odds. 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:22.800 She was a nineteen year old single mom with no husband. 0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:25.720 My grandfather brought me home with a second grade education. 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.640 He could not read. So I was a success when 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:31.720 I the day I came out of my mother's body 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:36.600 because no one expected her to be able to be 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.719 a great mom as a teenager, this country girl who 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:42.800 then moved to a bigger city. So I don't measure 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:44.600 it by the talk show. I really don't. I know 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.080 that sounds all. I Oh, I don't. I do not. 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:50.680 I don't, because you you know, you'll define yourself by it. 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:52.520 There's a book that I recall, a Path of Light, 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:55.799 and it says are you what your card says beneath it? 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:59.440 So right now, whoever's listening, you all take out your occupation. 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:03.280 Are you still you? And I had to, very early 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.520 on in my life measure my life by that because 0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:08.239 none of the people who I raised even had a 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.000 business card to have a title underneath it, so they 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:13.920 didn't measure themselves. So I wasn't raised to measure myself 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.959 by that. So and even doing things you're passionate about, 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.839 like your new show on Court TV, someone they knew, Yeah, 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:21.640 that has to feel good because that's something that you 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.440 really wanted to do. Yeah. Right, Because then now so 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.880 that going back to your question, you know, the success, 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.359 the success is being able to choose your projects right 0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:31.520 and choose the things you want to do. So now 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:34.680 I do have that option. So Court TV came to 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.080 me and they said, we want to do a show 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.040 someone they knew, and we would like for you to 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:41.640 do it. I did a crime show called Deadline Crime 0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.520 for six seasons, including when I was pregnant with Moses, 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:46.680 and I couldn't do it anymore because it was just 0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:48.839 I was an emotional wreck. And you talk a lot 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:51.719 about mental health. Imagine reading a script about, you know, 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.040 a mother being murdered and I'm pregnant and I hadn't 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:56.560 told anybody, and I'm thinking, can I baby here this way? 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:58.920 Is he going to have anxiety? Like what am I doing? 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.040 And so I said, once I finished that last season, 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.480 I would never do it again. But I miss talking 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:08.000 to people and giving them an opportunity to be comforted 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.359 and giving them a chance to tell what happened to them. 0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.280 And this show is fascinating to me because the common 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.399 denominator is someone they knew. I mean, the crime show 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.799 I did before was random crimes across the country, which 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:23.000 were all compelling, but this is right now, someone in 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:26.799 this room could snap, and these aren't like people who 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:29.280 who you're looking at, I'm not looking at Wait a minute, 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:30.960 it's the guy back there with the cap on. No. 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:35.200 But we talked about crime, especially in New York, of randomness. 0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.359 You know, somebody jumping out of an alley, or someone 0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:40.000 following you home, or a fender bender, and two people 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:43.040 get into it. But these are people that were brought 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.640 into the lives of the victim through no fault of 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:51.880 the victim. And it tells you a lot about greed, envy, jealousy, passion, 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:55.239 displaced passion, and what can happen. So the common thread is, 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:56.879 and I always tell people this show is not meant 0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.919 to scare you, but it is to say that there 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:04.480 someone in your sphere, in your universe who could turn 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:07.760 into a different person, who could go from the friend 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:11.360 to a murderer. And that's what these stories are about. 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.080 It's it's amazing and we see it all the time 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.560 on the news about you know a guy who works 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.600 in the building where you live and he's a superintendent. No, no, 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.960 these are people in their world like for women one 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.760 and for women are the victims of a domestic violence 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:30.800 crime and are saul that person is in their life 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:33.440 so it's not the guy who's you know, the door 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:35.960 guy or the guy who parked the car who suddenly 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:39.640 gets fascinated with These are like intimate individuals in the 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:43.280 lives of these people, and you wonder what drives someone. 0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:46.799 You know, remember that movie Sleeping with the Internet. If 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:48.759 you're lying in bed with someone and you believe that 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.920 they love you, in with the same mouth and voice 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:53.680 that they say I love you, they can say I 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:57.360 hate you, right, And that's what's so fascinating. So this show, 0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.960 um really is it's it's a head trip because you 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:04.920 do wonder how did that person go from being we 0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:07.239 use that phrase ride or die. They go from being 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:10.160 your ride or die two wanting you to die. And 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:13.960 it's crazy because I watched them like on the weekends, 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:15.959 the shows on Me and the wife cleaning or whatever 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.319 we're doing, and this you always want. It's just so 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.520 interesting they are. And I can't watch them at night. 0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:23.840 I watch all it's like watching a horror movie. So 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:25.799 I do it all before, Like my son wakes up 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:27.600 at five third am and I will turn on the 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.719 TV and my huse was like turning two, go I'm 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:31.840 gonna watch this, and I will binge it like six am, 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:35.560 seven am. They're so interesting. But from a human nature perspective, 0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:40.000 I mean we're all by what we do. Um, we're 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:44.040 kind of the kind of like an archaeologist. We're studying 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:46.160 human behavior. So like, for example, when I walked in 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:48.360 this room, I could see you studying me, and I 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:50.600 was studying you. I start to look at body and language. 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.480 I hug Angela, but I didn't hug you. I get you. 0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:58.680 And then you watch how people respond. No, no, you're 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:01.480 watching how people bod I could even tell when my 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:03.239 answer went too long because I can see it in 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.239 your eyes, Charlomagne, so you can I can see it. No, 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:10.080 you got your body shifted, so you know. And you 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.200 we all are like little investigators, right, and so these 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.839 shows turn you into investigators because you're wondering, Hey, how 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:20.360 do I avoid being a victim? Be? Could I prosecute this? See? 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.360 How would I investigate it? Which is also why I 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:25.040 wrote my crime book I'm a Crime series Jordan Manning 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.040 as the Wicked Watch. I'm actually fifteen chapters into the 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.920 follow up to that and that book, like this show 0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:35.920 all inspired by human nature and I'm no professional. Let this, 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.600 I'm a journalist who doesn't talk show. But I am 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:45.480 deeply fascinated by how people can take someone else's life, 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.279 especially someone they love. Especially you know, when you talk 0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.319 about human behavior, the only reason all of us are 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.880 safe every day is because of human behavior, because we 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:56.319 make a choice not to go crazy on somebody. Yes, 0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:59.520 I could you be pushed to it? Right? Could you 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:03.239 be put wash to a point of no return? I 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.680 think I could. You could never felt like I wanted to. 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.239 You know, somebody told me one time that, and I 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.000 totally disagree with this. But I've had a woman say 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.040 on my podcast that if a man doesn't ever feel 0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:17.520 like he wants to kill you, he doesn't love you. 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:20.080 Well that's a lie. Um no, And I was like, 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.440 that's not true. What I mean by that is not 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:27.200 passionate love. When I had my son, they talk about 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:30.440 the Mama bear thing. I didn't know that was real 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.319 until I had my son. I could have. We were 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.879 walking one day and we lived in the city and 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:40.640 this man was just demonstrative walking and my baby was 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:43.600 just learning to walk, and he nearly knocked him over. 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:48.200 I saw stars, I saw I mean, it was one 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.200 of those moments like Oprah's to be brought oper and 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:52.400 color pro was like, hold my baby. I was like, 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:56.239 I was ready to kill this man and I had 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.560 I turned and before and I'm like cursing, and my 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.320 husband's like, what is this? And it was a rage 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:04.680 from the bottom of my feet. I can't believe I'm 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.080 admitting this to the top of my head that I 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:09.520 could have. I could see that I could. When's the 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:11.719 last time you wanted to kill somebody? As never that 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:13.160 was just a one time. Don't try to see this 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.120 is what you do. Don't you try to make me 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:18.040 man like Kamala Harrison will not fall for this nonsense. 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:21.320 Not gonna yard. I gotta have Nick Cannon mad at me, 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.520 like stam All said, he didn't even that is not 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:25.840 what I said. So let me clear that up. I 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:28.200 said that too many people weren't distracted by things that 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:31.239 didn't matter, which were Nick's great interviews. Angela said, don't 0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:35.760 try to screw me with him, So no, I, um no, Honestly, 0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:37.920 it was only when I had my baby that it 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.319 was this mama bear. When they tell you don't get 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:42.759 any middle of a bear cub and the mama bear, 0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:48.400 I understood and understand that snap because I never felt 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:50.680 that away and it doesn't please. On top of that, 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:52.600 I got six. You know, it doesn't go. You feel 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:56.200 like you're on guard constantly. I'm ready to do it. Really, 0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:58.680 I'm ready to kill somebody with my kids. Yeah, I'm 0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:02.080 not like, could you because we see so many stories 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.120 all the time, but people doing things and kids, I'm like, 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.359 and you know, we are the wishing wishing Nigga Wood 0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.239 type of people. I wish mother. And that's okay, you said, 0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:11.400 I won't say it, but that's how I feel with 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:13.920 my son. I feel like about your husband, do you 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.560 feel like, No, he's growing, he's fifty three, but if 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:18.319 somebody did something in him, you wouldn't be like, I'm 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:20.879 gonna kill that person. Oh no, we were getting going though. 0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:25.160 It's my husband's different matter. I hop of course, of course, 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:28.839 this funny story. I was once engaged to a man, 0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:32.680 uh and we went on vacation together and we parasled 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.800 and we were out in the ocean and Cosamelo somewhere 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.279 this is many years ago, and the parasel snapped, I 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.400 can't swim. I flew into the ocean. He was still 0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:45.399 on the boat. I called off the wedding absolutely, that's 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:49.120 a true story. The guy on the boat, who didn't 0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:54.479 even speak English, was like swimming, Hey did it move? 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.520 He was a lifeguard growing up, so I may have 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:03.319 told him much. He goes, sume me, now what. I'm 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:11.280 just trying to look at all sides. Should say. Last weekend, 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:13.640 I think it was Miami fiance fell in the ocean. 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:17.440 The guy jumped in after her. Chop was the plan 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:25.720 the boat that was very sad. I'm going that would happened. 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:28.719 I'm just saying likes not and all they did was 0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:31.040 through the life rap for her and got her. But 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:34.040 he died for love. Yeah, but he should have let 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:37.640 the people on the boat do they No? I after 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:40.319 I didn't speak to him. We flew all the way 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.120 back and I said this is not gonna work. And 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:49.200 what was his explanation? I listen, I did not. I 0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:51.600 did not. I did not. I was so upset and 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.400 so disappointed. He froze, you know, black planted was She 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.920 was like, don't freeze. Maybe he froze. Well we'll never 0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:06.440 know married, somebody'll never not that worked. But no, what 0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:09.200 I know? So, first of all, the parasel, I was 0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:11.400 terrified it was gonna come down over my head, but 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:13.920 it fell behind me. I had a life jacket on. 0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.640 I can't swem. So now I'm thinking two things. Thank 0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.160 god the parasell did not. Then I'm like, Jaws is 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.759 gonna eat my legs because I'm in the deepest part 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.920 of the ocean. He might be thinking that too. He was, 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:28.719 so you were like, I can't but lay it in 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:30.600 jump there. You're like, wait a minute, what if there's jaws? 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:33.759 Um no, my legs are dangling, and how far is 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:37.160 the boat? They had to turn around because I flew 0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:41.200 it snapped and I flew out and pow hit the water. 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:43.520 It's like submit, I could have died. And then they 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:46.960 flew back around, came back and then I realized I 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.279 wasn't gonna go under, and I locked eyes with him 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:57.120 and I was like doging battle for he didn't even 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.920 try to explain himself, and you know, it's so long 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:04.000 go but whatever he said wasn't suffice, and it wasn't 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.280 It wasn't enough because I remember getting on that boat 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:10.960 and I was like, this man will never ever b 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:16.160 is like world Star. I'm trying. Yeah, you've been taking lessons, right, 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:20.279 I've been. I still can't you can't you should come in, Well, 0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:22.960 my son can swim. I'm still learning. Isn't that terrible? 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:26.359 Your son can swim and you're like love building people up? 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.399 Isn't that terrible? What cap? That's how I feel when 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:31.640 little kids be swimming circles around me and I'm like, 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:33.800 why can I Still He's a part of my motivation, 0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.279 going back to that Mama bear. So when when we 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:40.280 got our got our kid, when I had him and 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:42.640 he's I said, okay, we have this pool, and you know, 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:44.800 we do so many stories and it is so important. 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:47.400 And I did a report on you know, there's this 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.440 whole study on why people of color don't swim and 0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:53.080 it has nothing to do with an inability to swim. Um. 0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:56.080 It was a fascinating study from USA Swim that basically 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.960 said two things. Um, when they asked young black girls, 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.640 it was about our hair. Um, it was about her hair. 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:03.399 But more important than that, because that was a very 0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:06.440 small percentage. You don't want to put your child in 0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:09.520 a situation where you can't save them. So so many 0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:13.239 black parents and parents of color can't swim. And so 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:15.640 you say, I know you can swim, but I need 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:18.920 to be able to save my baby. And so as 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:21.000 a result, it has nothing to do with like a 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:22.879 lack of swimming programs. You know a lot of people 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.360 pointed to pools closing and areas. It had nothing to 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.600 do with that. It was I cannot bring myself to 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.800 put my baby in a position where they would be harmed, 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:33.279 and I can't going back to Mama Bear, Daddy Bear, 0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:35.759 can't go in and save them. So that's been a 0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:37.440 part of it. So when I had Moses, I was like, 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:40.440 I cannot possibly be here and not be able to 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:43.440 launch into the first class I took. They taught me diving. 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:45.520 So they would put these things and they said first 0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:50.879 class was diving. Well, no diving and retrieving because they said, 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:53.360 we won't call it anything. We'll say a piece of 0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:55.640 something falls on and so we would never use that, 0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.120 you know that visual And so they were five or something. 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:00.279 I needed it though, right, So they would put it 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:02.360 in and I dive, and they taught me how, like 0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:04.040 you know, your instinct is when you would dive in, 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:06.680 you hold your breath, so you're panicking and something is underwater, 0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:08.799 go you dive in, Well, you're gonna run out of air. 0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:10.759 So they taught me how to push the air out 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:13.080 going in so that I could go in. And so 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:16.440 it was intense and it was terrifying. But going back 0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:19.200 to what you will do for love, that was one 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:21.160 of the things. I respect you breaking that off door 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:23.680 because it's like you can't really do those vows sickness 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:26.120 and in health and all. You respect me now because 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:27.879 you first were defending him and you said he could 0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:33.799 have been killed by random him? What I though, because 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:36.439 you can't. You can't would confidence say those vows knowing 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:40.680 that you almost let your woman drown? Or I couldn't 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.200 be confident in hearing him? What about my perspective? He 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.719 could probably have said them, because I'm sure now I 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:48.040 got to go find him on Facebook and I'll ask 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:51.160 him why didn't he jump in? But have you ever 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:52.880 been at a crossroad? I met your wife too. I 0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:57.239 met Charlomagne's beautiful wife at the Tyler Perry studio. Is 0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:59.879 there any have you been in a moment or cross 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.880 road where you had to say I gotta jump it? 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.960 Was there ever a confrontation with a god looking at her? 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:09.440 Already Na not yet hopefully never too old now to 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:13.040 be doing? Yeah? You got kids? Push ups? You ready? 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:15.800 How old is Moses. Moses will be three in April. 0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:17.400 Three in April. When you when you're teaching one thing 0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:20.080 about swimming, just remember sometimes it doesn't matter that he 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.239 can swim, but if kids are around him and grab him, 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.640 even though if you could swim, so they teach you. 0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:27.239 If that's the case, tell Moses to go down under 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:29.600 the water because when you go, okay, my heart is racing. 0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:32.759 Now you got my heart racing. I know. That's that's 0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:34.360 why I tease the kids swimming. And the reason I 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:35.840 didn't never know how to swim is and queens. We 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.160 didn't have swimming pool. Do you swim now? Swim to 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.759 swim team? Oh your word? Yeah, So I took that 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:42.879 even with the Beijing and your bid you still jump 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:46.920 in the shut up? Is that that that's not being okay? 0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:50.480 But it's just the kids are young, like six seven months, 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:51.759 I put them in the water. That's what we did. 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:53.799 So that when he learning all my kids how to swim, great, 0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:56.160 see that's good. We did that with Moses. We started 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:59.239 at he was a few weeks old. And actually I 0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:01.160 saw a gather union as a friend and I saw 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:02.600 a copy in the one and I was like, Okay, 0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.120 look at her, she's doing it. I'm showing my infant 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:08.400 these pictures like that, and she is a phenomenal swimmer, 0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:10.319 and I wanted him in the water. But it is 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:14.279 truly one of those intimidating things, even still for me. 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:17.160 But it is so important and there are so many 0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:21.160 misnomers about why black people don't swim in it. Just 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:25.440 when I got involved with this organization, USA Swimming started studying, 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.680 it was after I think it was three and I 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:28.920 don't want to quote it wrong, but there was an 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:32.680 incident in Louisiana where there was a sandbar and the 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:36.200 children fell in and they drowned, and as adults were 0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:38.160 going out to save them, they were drowning. It's like 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:41.360 three generations of a black family died. This was about 0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:44.240 ten years ago. I did the story. It was devastating, 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:47.239 and nobody in the family and so the others were 0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:50.160 forced to stand at the shore and it was just 0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:52.520 like it blew my mind. It blew my mind, and 0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:54.560 it was that was also a part of the catalyst 0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:57.839 for me wanting to help them get the message out 0:54:57.880 --> 0:54:59.839 about this swim But you can come over, We'll help you. 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:01.880 I know, I gotta learn how to swim? You do? 0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:04.319 How old are you? Uh? It's too old to not 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:06.800 know how to swim. I should have never been a 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:10.239 Disney World. I never saw The Lion King either. I 0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:14.880 saw the play, the Broadway play The Lion King. What okay? 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:24.520 You judge me for not playing uno kidding? I have 0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:28.800 seen the Broadway play though I know that movie. You've 0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:33.839 never seen the movie. And I've been Disney Work, Disneyland. 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:37.440 I've been at Disneyland in California, never disney World in Orlando. 0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:39.840 Why don't you guys take her for her birthday? No, 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:46.960 thank you. I will go with you love in Disney World. No, 0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:48.919 we will not. No, we will not do that because 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:50.239 there are a lot of kids in that water and 0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:52.560 everything else there. It is, you know what, It's very 0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:55.560 very fun. It is truly magical, and you have to 0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:58.120 get that iconic picture where you're right in the middle 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.560 and it's behind. Do you have any nieces, their nephews 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:02.920 or anything. I have a lot of younger cousins. You 0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:05.120 got you should do a family trip. It's expensive. I 0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:06.720 think I would go with my friends at this point 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:09.080 now and my kids. I have three guid children. You 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:11.760 know you should go I know you give great financial advice. 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:19.920 Just it is expensive. I will start it is GOTTLANDA. 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:22.239 She's already set it up. So when I go there 0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:24.839 next she's like, we're gonna go. It's it's it's a lot. 0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:26.440 You want to get the fast pass, you want to 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:29.040 get a tour, you want to and then it's gonna 0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:31.080 it's a lot. Well, how to go next month? Am 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:34.200 I too old to be a Disney child? No? Listen, 0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:37.600 do you know that Disney is the number one destination 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:41.799 for couples to honeymoon? I could never honey that's too much. 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:47.160 And they have the whole Disney wedding collection like people, 0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:50.040 you know, like they had the Gucci Disney collaboration. They 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:54.839 have people go and they design beautiful gowns inspired by 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:58.240 the princesses. Yes, is that a worst? Yeah? My oldest 0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:02.040 daughter cheerleading. So they have the leaving competition there every April. No, 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.839 it is, it is, It is truly you there. I'll 0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:06.239 let you know you're gonna make it there. You're like, 0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:13.080 you're gonna Mars with Big David. Got make it there? See, 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:16.120 I'm gonna you could go to Morrow. You own like 0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:18.400 half of Brooklyn. I read every time about you buying 0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:21.680 another house another town. You should get on playing tonight 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:25.880 and and fly right back, should just fly right there 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.240 and go. You know what fascinated me? You had some 0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:30.040 of the a couple of the women from Tenders wind 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:33.720 there on this terrifying. Yes, that was terrifying to me. 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:35.000 But I feel like people didn't have a lot of 0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:38.240 sympathy for them. They didn't. People don't have sympathy for 0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:42.320 We do a lot of shows on UM this type 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.840 of crime, this type of fraud that takes place, and 0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:47.480 we did one season, I think this season one or 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.920 two of our show a woman she was a CIA 0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:53.120 spy and a man swindled her out of over a 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:56.720 million dollars and people had no sympathy for her, and 0:57:56.920 --> 0:57:59.280 I don't. It breaks my heart and I try to 0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:03.360 explain it. Folks. Cons are good because they're cons. And 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:06.640 when people say, oh, that wouldn't have ever happened to me, like, yes, 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.800 that's what they do. It's like that's there. They spend 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:13.919 their entire day trying to figure out how to get 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.520 you to get you don't think you could do it. 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:20.240 I watched Raw Food and Wine. I think you've never 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:22.600 felt taken it. That was Rob Vegan. I saw that way. 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.840 You've never felt taken advantage of ever in in a 0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:28.880 romantic sit Remember you bought the fake leather jacket jacket. 0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:30.400 I bought a fake leather jacket, but that was two 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:32.680 hundred dollars. You bought a fake It was on a train, 0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:34.720 but that's the beginning. It wasn't even on the train. 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:38.360 But he put the fire against the leather and told 0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:42.080 me leather doesn't but you, okay, look at under stand 0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:45.720 out crazy. That's else. I bought a leather jacket with 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.880 a guy with a flame torch, gave me a test. 0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:50.880 It was a great story. It is a great story. 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:53.080 Was but that's what that's how it starts. There's only 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:56.960 two hundred dollars to fifty. That's a lot of a 0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:59.400 lot of money. And I felt that you buy seven 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:02.920 jacket my whole life. But two fifty is the beginning. 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:04.800 So if he first of all, two fifties a lot 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:07.480 of money. Again, to buy a jacket on a subway 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:10.520 with a flame, with a flame torch, fifty dollars, I 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:12.960 could see two fifties a lot. So you bust some 0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:16.280 fake sneaked Look what you just said, he said it 0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:19.640 was real and that's what you got got and you 0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:23.200 can wear a fake less? Shut up? Do you do? 0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:27.920 You do? You die? Don't do nothing to you? You 0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:30.200 got us die? You know? Don't try to spink? Are 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:32.600 you a pitch person for them? No? Ok, he's not 0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:35.240 mentioned it three times, but like any name I mentioned 0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:38.600 three times, he gets him. Do you have a No? 0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:42.240 People always ask about your skin. Everyone always talking about beautiful. 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:45.640 They have a dermatologist, doctor sandy, but it's beautiful. I 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:48.200 don't use tammer. Have you ever been swindows? Have I 0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:51.680 ever been swindled? Like swing or anything? He's talking about 0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:57.160 the flames like, no, have yes? Fake? I've never bought 0:59:57.200 --> 1:00:00.240 anything fake? But you get Oh. I can't tell the 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:04.360 story no, because it involves the legal stuff now because 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:09.160 I I don't know that much. I didn't lose it. 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:11.640 I got it back. But how much did they take 1:00:11.680 --> 1:00:14.720 before you got it back? Uh? They I had deposited 1:00:15.440 --> 1:00:19.320 five thousand dollars wow, and and then uh because of 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:24.160 her service related to my child. And then the service 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:27.800 turned out not to be legitimate. And then I had 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:29.920 to go and get it back, get it back. And 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:34.640 he could have butt twenty Lesack. I, I'm like, I 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:36.840 hate being engaging, but it did get legal, so I 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:39.520 can't get should be watching like you really, I now 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:42.200 I want my money back. Um, But it's you know, 1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:47.080 with the dating thing, it's about getting someone when they're vulnerable, 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:49.200 and love makes us so vulnerable going back and man, 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:50.760 I don't want to make this a thematic show. The 1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:53.160 love of your child, the lack of love with the 1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:55.720 guy didn't jump in to save me any of these things. 1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:59.480 It's it's love and they zero in on it. I 1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:01.640 had the ten Swindler women on and to your point, 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:04.160 you think, like at the point they're asking for oh, 1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:07.040 my check didn't come in. If you front me this, 1:01:07.480 --> 1:01:10.800 I'll give it back, they just nibble away. At the 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:14.200 same time they're love bombing them. They're showering them with gifts, 1:01:14.240 --> 1:01:16.480 and in that case, he was buying gifts with the 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:18.760 money from other women. So you're thinking, oh, he just 1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:21.840 took me on a four thousand dollars you know, dinner, 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:24.320 so he's got to have the money. I'm on a 1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:27.360 private jet. He'll give it back. But yeah, it is 1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:29.600 a huge problem, and think about it. These are the 1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:31.439 people who come on TV do you know how many 1:01:31.520 --> 1:01:35.240 others that you know who stay silent, right, and who 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:39.240 don't tell how they've been taking advantage of It's crazy, 1:01:39.400 --> 1:01:41.880 but I see how it can. Thank god has ever happened, 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:44.000 But I see how it can. Yeah, why don't that? 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:46.080 I saw how it could happen because he was definitely 1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:48.760 doing a lot of things. He's fulling up in a Lamborghini. 1:01:48.840 --> 1:01:51.800 You don't think he has stolen it, and he's taking 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:54.640 them on trips on private plane, and then you're believing 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:57.040 that his life is in danger because people are acting. Well, 1:01:57.040 --> 1:01:59.200 that's when he lost charity, got beat up and he's 1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:02.560 too much. We always remember when they start adding on 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:05.800 like so that they say they're the tells with a lie, 1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:08.000 and so obviously you watch the eyes. If the eyes 1:02:08.080 --> 1:02:10.360 go down and go up, they're different tells. When people 1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:13.640 start adding on too much detail, right, that's when you 1:02:13.760 --> 1:02:16.840 know simple they keep keep your lie simple. If you ever. 1:02:16.880 --> 1:02:19.400 I hate to give you this advice, but when doing 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:21.320 a crime show, and I do, I view a lot 1:02:21.360 --> 1:02:24.480 of interrogation video and looking even with my new show 1:02:24.720 --> 1:02:27.200 at you know, we have a one guy, we have 1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:29.200 his interrogation video and I was sitting there the whole time. 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:31.920 I'm like, please stop. He just kept going. And you 1:02:31.960 --> 1:02:35.439 know they say, talk yourself into a lie. He just 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:39.200 keep your lie first. I'll always commit the crime by yourself. 1:02:39.440 --> 1:02:41.320 Never because if you're gonna do any with anybody, they're 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:48.160 gonna tell every crime. What else should we do? Angela, 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:53.480 don't do it at Disney, the cameras everywhere. No, I 1:02:53.600 --> 1:02:55.360 do a crime show. So again going back to a 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:57.960 charlottage and say, you study people. And one of the 1:02:58.000 --> 1:03:01.960 things I always tell people everybody, you get caught when 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:03.160 you do it with somebody else. If you're going to 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:05.920 rob the bank, just leave the car out front and 1:03:06.000 --> 1:03:08.320 don't take anyone because they're going to tell on you. 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:14.520 That's the first thing. The second thing is keep it simple, stupid. 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:17.520 Keep it simple, stupid. Do not go into the interrogation 1:03:17.600 --> 1:03:20.960 room believing that you can trick them. You cannot trick 1:03:21.160 --> 1:03:23.080 those investigators. It's all they do all day long is 1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:24.760 hear people lie. It's just like I know, you know, 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:26.840 when people are lying in an interview I do. I 1:03:26.880 --> 1:03:29.520 interview people and I'm like, this is not a true story, 1:03:29.720 --> 1:03:33.080 or this is a TV version of the story. They know, right. 1:03:33.400 --> 1:03:35.040 I want to ask you something because you use this 1:03:35.080 --> 1:03:37.720 word a couple of times throughout the interview journalism? Do 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:40.520 you think there are still such things as objective journalism? 1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:43.600 Are as everything? It was never objective, It was never objective. 1:03:44.840 --> 1:03:48.360 How can it be? We're humans, We go home to 1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:50.760 our lives. We go home. So you're telling me it's 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:53.920 like when you know, going back to my show, um, 1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:56.919 when they say to the jury strike what you just heard? 1:03:57.960 --> 1:04:02.240 How do you how I possible? So we go in 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:04.640 with our biases, we go in with our beliefs, we 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:08.760 go in with our perspective, and how you extract that 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:12.240 would make you one of the most incredible people ever. 1:04:12.520 --> 1:04:15.520 And that would be Jesus, because I don't think it's possible. 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:18.880 And now you can try to suppress some of it. 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:21.320 But going back to you know, the book that I wrote, 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:24.520 and when we talked about missing black and brow people 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:28.280 pick white blonde women to leave for a reason, that's 1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:32.440 not that's a bias, because you'll believe that the audience 1:04:32.960 --> 1:04:36.600 values that life more or will not turn it from 1:04:36.640 --> 1:04:39.280 that story. That's the reason why people I was on 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:40.600 a couple of shows and people, well, why do you 1:04:40.600 --> 1:04:43.360 think this continues to happen? We know the answer. Why 1:04:43.760 --> 1:04:46.640 So then why does that happen? Because people have biases. 1:04:46.640 --> 1:04:49.360 They see that looks like my daughter, That could be 1:04:49.560 --> 1:04:52.960 my kid, she looks just like my daughter's friend. Oh 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:57.040 my gosh, that could happen in my neighborhood. Reporters are 1:04:57.080 --> 1:05:00.360 just people. It's impossible. And I know a lot of 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:03.960 my colleagues will greatly disagree with me and may not 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:08.160 be happy with me saying that I've been in newsrooms 1:05:08.200 --> 1:05:12.560 for thirty years. I'm in the newsroom with people, not robots, 1:05:12.880 --> 1:05:16.160 and you hear and see every day. And that doesn't 1:05:16.160 --> 1:05:19.360 mean it's a negative, right, because sometimes your perspective and 1:05:19.400 --> 1:05:23.520 bias can help. But there's no way, there's no So 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:26.920 how do you trust any of these networks CNN, MSNBC, Fox, 1:05:26.960 --> 1:05:29.560 because it's all opinion based. How do I know that 1:05:29.640 --> 1:05:31.800 it is giving me the facts as they know them. 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:33.920 You don't. I mean, you're asking me a beginning of 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:37.200 time question that this is. I mean, journalism didn't start 1:05:37.200 --> 1:05:39.480 with MSNBC. I know people believe that, but it did not. 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:43.439 I mean the history of journalism, muckraking. You know, look 1:05:43.480 --> 1:05:47.080 at we even talk about dirty politics. I won't bore 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:48.720 you but take a second and look at the Thomas 1:05:48.800 --> 1:05:53.160 Jefferson attacks. I mean, just it is, It's incredible. So 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:57.720 I feel like, not to oversimplify, but just even Alexander 1:05:57.720 --> 1:05:59.400 Hamilton and everyone loves Hamilton, when I bring that up, 1:05:59.560 --> 1:06:02.920 that was a dirty politics. I mean, this isn't new 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:07.240 journalism being used to demean Look at some of the 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:11.440 people love cartoons, you know, political cartoons. You've seen some 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:15.600 of the political cartoons of Irish people, Italian people, black people. 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:17.680 We talk a lot about how we were made to 1:06:17.760 --> 1:06:22.480 look in political cartoons. These exaggerated, you know, monstrous ways. 1:06:22.520 --> 1:06:25.320 This is part of the political agenda since people could 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:28.040 pick up a pin in a paper without words. So 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:33.360 the idea that CNN, MSNBC or fix started this is ridiculous. 1:06:33.760 --> 1:06:37.120 And the idea that human beings who come in from 1:06:37.320 --> 1:06:39.840 very different worlds and sometimes the people they're reporting on. 1:06:40.080 --> 1:06:43.640 I just saw a whole conversation about monetizing journalism. We 1:06:43.720 --> 1:06:46.760 know people you and I in journalism who make sixty 1:06:46.800 --> 1:06:49.240 million dollars. What are you going to do to keep 1:06:49.280 --> 1:06:52.520 that sixty million dollars? Chet You're not. You're gonna do 1:06:52.600 --> 1:06:54.240 what you need to do. You're gonna go on TV 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:57.080 and say some crazy things if that's what you're paying 1:06:57.120 --> 1:07:01.720 to say. Anything that's monetized is corrupt. Anything that's monetized 1:07:01.840 --> 1:07:05.040 is tainted. And when you make millions of millions of 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:08.120 dollars as a journalist, which I hope too, it's going 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:10.840 to impact you. It is, And that's a lie when 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:13.280 people say that it doesn't. You make eight million dollars 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:15.720 a year. What are you going to do to keep 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:18.600 making that eight million? First of all, why why? And 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:22.040 I say that knowing again that I want all of 1:07:22.120 --> 1:07:24.840 us to have eight to twenty to thirty million dollars contracts? 1:07:24.840 --> 1:07:28.439 But why if you're not a war correspondent, right because 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:31.680 those people are putting it in on the line. What 1:07:31.760 --> 1:07:34.880 you see out of Ukraine is incredible reporting that I 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:38.000 don't and I couldn't ever do. But I do think 1:07:38.360 --> 1:07:42.040 that that's not though to say that there aren't honest journalists, 1:07:42.080 --> 1:07:45.640 I think most journalists are honest. Honest and bias are 1:07:45.680 --> 1:07:47.840 two different things. So what is a journalist because I 1:07:47.840 --> 1:07:50.240 feel like all of them are bias? Oh, what is 1:07:50.240 --> 1:07:53.080 a journalist? It's somebody who reports what they see and 1:07:53.200 --> 1:07:56.360 what they hear, and that's what we're supposed to be doing. 1:07:56.400 --> 1:07:59.280 Now what is opinion? That's different. But a journalist. I 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:02.520 just did a interview with Cheek and Coody. They did 1:08:02.520 --> 1:08:08.240 the documentary. It's phenomenal. It's phenomenal documentary. They are journalists 1:08:08.240 --> 1:08:11.320 to me. They picked up a camera and they journaled 1:08:11.400 --> 1:08:15.120 and chronicled the rise of Kanye West into what he 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:17.360 is now, which I believe is a genius. So they 1:08:17.439 --> 1:08:20.160 follow that. That's journalism to me. Anybody can pick up 1:08:20.160 --> 1:08:23.400 their phone and the citizen reporters. Half of the crimes 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:26.280 against black people related to police are because one person, 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:29.519 George Floyd, she picked up the camera. You know what 1:08:29.600 --> 1:08:32.800 I mean that she's a journalist. She's also brave and 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:39.280 a transformational person in this conversation of police brutality. But 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:41.000 at the end of the day, she was a journalist. 1:08:41.040 --> 1:08:44.519 She picked up that phone and chronicled what she saw 1:08:44.960 --> 1:08:48.280 in an unbiased way, but then turned it over from 1:08:48.320 --> 1:08:51.559 the perspective of being black and knowing that that could 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:53.680 have been her too. So I think anyone can be 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:58.320 a journalist. Opinion is very different, and that's you know, 1:08:58.360 --> 1:09:00.960 after seven PM or whatever, I feel like everything is 1:09:01.439 --> 1:09:04.760 opinion based. Now, No, I don't think that's true. I 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:09.280 don't think there's a clear difference I feel between what 1:09:09.439 --> 1:09:13.280 happens from nine until five or whatever, and then after 1:09:13.360 --> 1:09:16.400 five I think I think. I think so that's part 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:18.760 of why representation matters so much, because we do have 1:09:18.800 --> 1:09:21.320 our own biases that we bring with us. Like you said, 1:09:21.720 --> 1:09:24.879 but you want people that also have a similar experience 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:26.800 because the way they tell the story is different. Well, 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:30.000 I think if someone is from the outside that maybe 1:09:30.040 --> 1:09:32.839 doesn't understand cultural things. Well, I think it's a complicated 1:09:32.880 --> 1:09:36.080 answer because I just had somebody on recently who said, 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:38.880 you know, well, as a white guy, I was in 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:43.559 over my skis to talk about George Floyd, and I said, wait, 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:46.200 but you can't view it that way either, because I 1:09:46.200 --> 1:09:48.360 don't need to walk in your shoes to tell you 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:51.360 that it's wrong. So, for example, I'm a kid from 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.680 you know, Texas, rural Texas. The only Jewish person I 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:57.519 knew growing up was Jesus. Right when I first learned 1:09:57.520 --> 1:09:59.200 about the Holocaust. I think it was in the fifth grade. 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:01.280 My teacher didn't have to tell me that was wrong. 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:03.680 My teacher didn't have to say, oh my God, I 1:10:03.680 --> 1:10:06.759 didn't need to be Jewish practice the faith, practice, the culture, 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:09.439 go to a sad or dinner or any of that. 1:10:09.640 --> 1:10:12.280 I knew what I saw on there was wrong, So 1:10:12.439 --> 1:10:16.639 I don't personally need to walk a white colleague through 1:10:16.720 --> 1:10:20.200 why George Floyd was wrong. And you can't let people 1:10:20.240 --> 1:10:22.599 off the hook by saying, oh, well, no, I think 1:10:22.600 --> 1:10:25.479 you still responsibility to report and know when something's wrong. 1:10:25.520 --> 1:10:28.200 But I also feel like somebody that can relate to 1:10:28.280 --> 1:10:30.960 something more when I watched that type of reporting, Yes, 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:35.000 it's important to have absolutely like if you have somebody 1:10:35.040 --> 1:10:38.040 who's from say they're talking about our mayor Eric Adams, 1:10:38.080 --> 1:10:40.639 and you have somebody that's from here that as opposed 1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:45.000 to somebody that's from Texas. Yeah, yeah, I agree, it 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:47.960 is a little bit. It is absolutely different. I think though, 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:50.400 what what what happens though, is people didn't use it 1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:53.200 as an excuse not to know right. Right. So I'm 1:10:53.240 --> 1:10:56.400 a reporter from Texas. It was my job to learn 1:10:56.520 --> 1:10:59.160 New York. It was my job to learn Flatbush or 1:10:59.200 --> 1:11:01.680 Crown Heights. It was my job. So I can't go 1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:04.960 into my newsroom and say, oh, I'm from Texas, So 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:08.200 I'm bowing out. And when it comes to race and gender, 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:11.240 I watch a lot of people bow out and use 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:12.880 that as an excuse. Well, I'm not a woman, so 1:11:13.000 --> 1:11:17.120 I'll never know. Well, you know, a woman, I'm not glad, 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:19.200 so I'm in over my ski. So I really am 1:11:19.240 --> 1:11:21.680 gonna I can't talk about that because I don't know. 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:24.960 You're a human, You're a human, You're a human, and 1:11:25.040 --> 1:11:28.559 so I just I am always careful of when people 1:11:29.320 --> 1:11:31.400 talk about you know that, because they use it as 1:11:31.439 --> 1:11:33.760 an excuse for them not to know. Our diversity is 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:36.920 important in the room for exactly what you said. It 1:11:37.080 --> 1:11:41.680 sometimes is used against us in the sense that it 1:11:41.960 --> 1:11:44.760 lets people off the hook for them not to learn. 1:11:44.800 --> 1:11:46.920 That's why guy loves seeing the conversations where they have 1:11:47.000 --> 1:11:50.360 panels and different people, different perspectives can talk about the 1:11:50.400 --> 1:11:52.160 same Well, that's why this show works. I mean, that's 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:54.559 why you're a hugely successful show because you come in, 1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:57.639 you bring your perspective, DJ and you guys bring your perspective. 1:11:57.680 --> 1:12:00.479 And that's why a show like this And I'm not 1:12:00.479 --> 1:12:02.720 just saying it because I'm here as a guest, this 1:12:02.800 --> 1:12:05.400 is what one day. People might not agree with something 1:12:05.439 --> 1:12:07.280 you say, they like what he says in back. That's 1:12:07.280 --> 1:12:09.920 why the view was such a hugely popular show that 1:12:10.160 --> 1:12:12.200 and that's why everyone tried to do panel shows. The 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:14.439 key though, you have to have the right component and 1:12:14.600 --> 1:12:17.040 you have the ability and agency to speak up just 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:19.240 as much as they do, which makes the show compelling. 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.720 You're not just the woman they're representing us. You're a 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:27.439 strong voice representing us. Williams last week, I was it 1:12:27.479 --> 1:12:30.360 important for you to do that? Wendy has done something. 1:12:30.800 --> 1:12:34.800 There are there's a morgue of dead daytime careers, you 1:12:34.840 --> 1:12:39.479 know where people Yeah, I can tell you listen to rappers. 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:46.240 You and the morgue of dead daytime meaning that was 1:12:46.280 --> 1:12:55.679 like Court TV slash rappers leaving. I'm taking dre My 1:12:55.720 --> 1:13:02.960 God bird man. I'm gonna take this flap though. What 1:13:03.120 --> 1:13:08.760 I said no, because I really it's not the kind 1:13:08.800 --> 1:13:11.200 of show I would have done. I'm gonna be very honest. 1:13:11.240 --> 1:13:14.439 But she did it so brilliantly and did it for 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:18.479 over a decade, and when people would say, oh she 1:13:18.640 --> 1:13:20.920 was this, she was. Nobody should be feeling sorry for 1:13:22.000 --> 1:13:26.760 Howard Stern. No, a list celebrities still go on his 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:29.519 show despite things that he said, and he's the king 1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:31.439 of media, and I would hear people say I don't 1:13:31.439 --> 1:13:32.920 want to go on Wendy, but they would go on 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:36.160 his show. And I thought, this is a double standard. 1:13:36.520 --> 1:13:41.760 She is doing the shocking style of performance, which is 1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:45.640 exactly what he did. But she was somehow penalized in 1:13:45.680 --> 1:13:49.400 the eyes of some people. But she stayed on for 1:13:49.720 --> 1:13:56.880 thirteen years. She survived. Google how many failed daytime shows 1:13:56.960 --> 1:14:02.000 happened while she was on doing more with less. It 1:14:02.080 --> 1:14:06.000 was a chair and a woman who was an excellent 1:14:06.080 --> 1:14:13.080 performer in that style of television, and she deserves that 1:14:13.080 --> 1:14:15.559 that acknowledgement. I mean, I'm getting out hot now. Maybe 1:14:15.560 --> 1:14:18.479 be bad because I just feel like people like I said, 1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:20.640 to listen, there are a lot of things that I 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:23.200 did not agree with, and they're the Whitney Houston think. 1:14:23.240 --> 1:14:26.479 It still bugs me to this day. Um, and there 1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:29.320 are a lot of other things. But that's said. I 1:14:29.439 --> 1:14:32.600 felt there was an unfair level unfair, a level of 1:14:32.720 --> 1:14:38.400 unfairness directed at her style when a comparable peer who 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:41.280 did a similar show was still seen as a list 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:42.760 what do you what do you think she'd be next? 1:14:42.760 --> 1:14:44.439 For us? She'd do it. I've been hearing about the view. 1:14:44.439 --> 1:14:47.920 Maybe I don't know. I don't know because I don't 1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:50.200 know what it is right. I mean, she was on 1:14:50.240 --> 1:14:52.400 with t J. Holmes. I commented only because she came 1:14:52.400 --> 1:14:54.800 out on with t J. Holmes and and talk with 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:58.760 him on Good Morning America. I don't know. I don't know. 1:14:58.920 --> 1:15:05.000 I you know, I I've only met her a couple 1:15:05.040 --> 1:15:07.720 of times, and I'm the last time I saw her, 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:11.400 we were in Philadelphia and she was at the train 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:14.599 depot with some friends. I guess they were her team, 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:17.840 some members of her team, and you know, she was like, 1:15:18.200 --> 1:15:20.439 I look terrible right now, you know, don't look mind, 1:15:20.439 --> 1:15:23.839 And she started telling me about the the thyroid and whatnot. 1:15:24.160 --> 1:15:26.880 And I, you know, I don't know. It breaks my heart. 1:15:26.920 --> 1:15:28.920 It breaks my heart, it really does. And I don't 1:15:28.920 --> 1:15:33.280 know her as well as you do, Um, but it does. 1:15:33.400 --> 1:15:37.680 And I'm I don't know, I don't everybody knows you 1:15:37.720 --> 1:15:39.920 were close with friends. Do you feel like his legacy 1:15:40.000 --> 1:15:44.840 is being represented correctly? Well? I think he had a 1:15:44.960 --> 1:15:50.280 choice to map out a better plan, and he chose 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:56.080 not to map out a better plan. And he's very 1:15:56.640 --> 1:16:00.240 the smartest human being I've ever met. Second and Nick Cannon. 1:16:00.280 --> 1:16:05.760 Don't try to about Nick Cannon. Um, it's brilliant. And 1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:11.160 I'm kidding. I said Nick Cannon was second friend. No, 1:16:11.960 --> 1:16:16.280 he thought out everything, every detail, and I cannot imagine 1:16:16.400 --> 1:16:19.200 that it did not once cross his mind that he 1:16:19.240 --> 1:16:22.040 did not have a plan for what happens. So I 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:25.479 guess I choose to assume that he didn't care what 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:28.160 was going to happen. Well, maybe sometimes you don't know 1:16:28.200 --> 1:16:30.360 the end is coming. You think you have time. That's 1:16:30.360 --> 1:16:35.000 all he talked about. Was then, really, no, the afterlife? 1:16:35.880 --> 1:16:39.839 What is that like? Yeah? No, he he talked about 1:16:40.520 --> 1:16:44.080 a lot that this is not the end game place, right, 1:16:44.120 --> 1:16:49.280 that there is a much more for us to know 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:53.640 spiritually and to be connected to spiritually. I don't think 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:57.320 he was as tied to these things as we believe, 1:16:57.439 --> 1:16:59.559 and that's why he left these things for others to 1:16:59.600 --> 1:17:02.080 deal with. I don't believe he was as tied to 1:17:02.160 --> 1:17:06.679 it as people thought. With the show, someone they knew, 1:17:08.360 --> 1:17:10.320 there was a personal incident that kind of made you 1:17:10.360 --> 1:17:13.720 gravitate towards this series as well. Right, Yes, we've talked 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:16.120 a little bit about it before. Um My sister was 1:17:16.680 --> 1:17:22.800 murdered in an unsolved crime and the person of interest, um, 1:17:23.760 --> 1:17:25.759 the only person of interest was someone in her life. 1:17:25.880 --> 1:17:29.519 And so that goes back to what we were talking about, UM, 1:17:31.320 --> 1:17:36.320 who amongst you could turn into somebody that you don't recognize, 1:17:36.360 --> 1:17:38.760 and so I don't. I was not there on the 1:17:38.880 --> 1:17:41.920 night that she lost her life, but it was very 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:46.320 much aware over our years. My sister was extremely beautiful, UM, 1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:50.120 so vibrant and fun like she know how to player, 1:17:50.120 --> 1:17:52.439 who know UM and just like the really a life 1:17:52.439 --> 1:17:57.080 of the party kind of person. But UM, she had 1:17:57.120 --> 1:18:04.120 in her past had some very violent relationships and it 1:18:04.160 --> 1:18:07.320 wasn't just one. And so what I started to talk 1:18:07.320 --> 1:18:09.479 about more than the night that she lost her life 1:18:09.479 --> 1:18:11.800 with things that I was present too, and I was 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:16.880 there when things happened to her that were horrifying, and 1:18:17.120 --> 1:18:20.800 it did make me wonder about safety as a woman 1:18:21.280 --> 1:18:25.840 and all of those things. Oh yeah, yeah. What's what's 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:28.800 your experience been like, you know, hosting the Tamarin Holshi, 1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:34.840 What's been the biggest challenge? Oh? Standing standing up for yourself, 1:18:35.120 --> 1:18:37.240 you know. I mean we all have shows that we 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:38.880 had ideas that we want to do and then people 1:18:38.920 --> 1:18:40.519 start coming in the room, they try to change you 1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:44.320 or change how you handle the show or what I 1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:47.080 think that I'm I'm happy that I have the show 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:51.559 now in that my back was against the wall when 1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:55.480 I started it, so I navigate more strategically and more confidently. 1:18:56.240 --> 1:18:58.479 What I mean by that is, sometimes people don't agree 1:18:58.520 --> 1:19:01.040 with decisions that are made. I stand up for myself. 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:03.439 I'm not going to shrink down, and I'm not going 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:07.559 to I went into rooms with people and fought for 1:19:07.600 --> 1:19:09.599 this show to be on TV, so I'm not going 1:19:09.640 --> 1:19:12.880 to lean out of that for anybody. But I'm always 1:19:12.880 --> 1:19:15.680 open to ideas. But the hardest part, really, other than 1:19:15.720 --> 1:19:20.840 a global pandemic, has been just expectations, right, um, expectations 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:24.120 of myself and what I have of my staff. And 1:19:24.240 --> 1:19:26.240 when you talk about double standards, when you boss up 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:28.840 in that way, oh my gosh, you're all types of 1:19:28.920 --> 1:19:34.360 it's crazy. I read things. It's an ongoing joke now 1:19:34.640 --> 1:19:36.400 with me and my team. I walk in, I go, 1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:38.640 am I scary as they say, I am there. I 1:19:40.240 --> 1:19:42.920 learned by the second season. I just learned that it 1:19:42.960 --> 1:19:45.920 was a template, right, this is what they do. It's like, Okay, 1:19:46.760 --> 1:19:49.000 now the show is popular, she's out there. What are 1:19:49.000 --> 1:19:54.839 we gonna say? Difficult, angry? This that toxic blah blah blah. 1:19:54.880 --> 1:19:59.679 And don't get me wrong, to someone working as hard 1:19:59.720 --> 1:20:02.920 as we do may be their definition of toxic. I 1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:05.400 don't know. So I would never tell someone how to feel, 1:20:05.840 --> 1:20:08.360 and if that's how you feel, I always listen to 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:11.040 the staff. I'm there to have the conversation. But if 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:15.240 you believe that we're going to give our audience a 1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:19.160 product that is beneath them, we're not doing that. I 1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:21.760 mean we call our audience the tam Fam. I work 1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:24.120 every day to make sure that when a guest like 1:20:24.160 --> 1:20:26.720 you come, I said, Charlemagne's coming out, I don't want 1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:28.800 people just to think that he is a shock jock 1:20:28.920 --> 1:20:31.920 or whatever their perception. He has layers. He's a husband, 1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:33.559 he's a dad. That's why we brought you on on 1:20:33.600 --> 1:20:36.439 the show that you were on, because I said in 1:20:36.439 --> 1:20:39.639 a room and said, he's not one dimensional. I don't 1:20:39.680 --> 1:20:41.320 want him on for two minutes to come on and 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:44.160 talk about some headline that he said this about somebody 1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:46.519 and got into it or somebody. No, I want the 1:20:46.600 --> 1:20:49.600 audience to know him. You know, people still come up 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:51.799 to me now and talk to me about that episode 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:55.120 episode about mental health people, I mean random people an airport. 1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:57.320 I saw you want tammeron hall talking about mental health. Well, 1:20:57.320 --> 1:20:59.360 that's interesting. Because I actually had and i'll take you 1:20:59.400 --> 1:21:01.680 behind the scene. I had not a clash, but I 1:21:01.680 --> 1:21:03.680 had to sit down a producer and say, this is 1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:07.559 what we're doing with him, because it was important to 1:21:08.120 --> 1:21:11.880 show you as the multidimensional human being that you are 1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:14.360 not Oh this guy on the radio that I may 1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:17.439 or may not have heard of. You are internationally famous. 1:21:17.439 --> 1:21:21.160 This show is internationally known. But that said, everybody don't 1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:23.599 know you. So you got to take them through the journey. 1:21:23.960 --> 1:21:27.120 And so for me, that was important. Now, that might 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:29.280 have been a hard segment for that producer because it 1:21:29.280 --> 1:21:32.080 took more time, but it paid off and they loved 1:21:32.120 --> 1:21:34.120 the segment, and I was happy. You love the segment 1:21:34.120 --> 1:21:37.280 and the audience resonated. So you know nothing. You don't 1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:40.360 get to do something easy and just expect there to 1:21:40.400 --> 1:21:43.320 be rewards. You got, I know, you got to know 1:21:50.920 --> 1:21:53.160 the man who would have jumped in the ocean for me. 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:58.800 You know how to swim. Now, so you don't know 1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:00.840 you think you would take you to get We just 1:22:00.880 --> 1:22:03.880 don't know. Why don't you said something earlier, fools and 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:08.599 we'll punk him, like, what's that show? You said something 1:22:08.600 --> 1:22:10.640 earlier that made me think because you said it was 1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:12.720 something about loving fear, and I was like, well, what 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:16.439 if fear overpowers love? I think it's better to be feared. 1:22:17.240 --> 1:22:19.439 What I'm saying in that moment, you could love this person. 1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:27.320 Quit trying to make excuse saying. It's just like, we 1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:29.680 need to hear both sides. You need to hear an 1:22:29.720 --> 1:22:35.200 objective journalists, an opinion journalist. What other what could he 1:22:35.240 --> 1:22:38.680 tell you? I was terrified that jumping in as a 1:22:38.800 --> 1:22:42.160 trained lifeguard to save her, he didn't even have to 1:22:42.160 --> 1:22:45.519 go reach for me. Maybe just peddle around me and say, babe, 1:22:45.520 --> 1:22:48.559 it's gonna be okay. You're they're gonna pull you out. 1:22:48.640 --> 1:22:55.000 What if you threw a rope? Rope, go get your 1:22:56.000 --> 1:23:00.840 If it throws a rope, okay, I'm gonna wrap it 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:03.840 around my waistingle pull in, no damn it before you leave. 1:23:03.880 --> 1:23:05.200 I had one more question, because if you know you're 1:23:05.200 --> 1:23:06.760 looking at your wife, I'm not looking at my watch 1:23:06.800 --> 1:23:09.000 my husband. Call um. So what do you do when 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:10.840 somebody tells you there's a guest coming on and they 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:13.840 don't want to talk about a certain topic, right right? 1:23:13.960 --> 1:23:15.960 Do you? Oh? I think about that? I do, because, 1:23:16.000 --> 1:23:19.040 for example, some guests don't like talking about Exus and 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:21.880 naring the current relationship. I agree with that. I would 1:23:21.960 --> 1:23:26.400 never have DJ in beyond about another relationship because he's 1:23:26.439 --> 1:23:28.840 not his wife is there. I always tell people like 1:23:29.040 --> 1:23:30.760 they'll have a we'll have a guest on and they'll say, 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:34.760 let's ask about you know the man she dated three 1:23:34.840 --> 1:23:36.559 years ago that happened to be famous or whatever, And 1:23:36.560 --> 1:23:39.720 I said, but she's not with him. Now. Imagine going 1:23:39.720 --> 1:23:42.080 to a dinner party and I ask you in front 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:45.240 of your new guy about the guy three times back. 1:23:45.680 --> 1:23:51.800 That's rude. And so I feel like there's got to 1:23:51.840 --> 1:23:55.160 be some decency for me, right, And I don't want 1:23:55.160 --> 1:23:58.439 anybody to feel ambushed. I mean, we had Andrew gillam on. 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:01.120 I mean that was a top one, and people were 1:24:01.200 --> 1:24:03.160 mad that I didn't say, well, are you gay? And 1:24:03.160 --> 1:24:05.400 I'm like, why did I need to ask that question? 1:24:05.840 --> 1:24:09.719 That wasn't He told me what he wanted me to know, right, 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:12.720 And I can still do a thoughtful interview. There are 1:24:12.760 --> 1:24:16.200 certain things that I'm happy we didn't talk about here 1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:21.760 because it's just I'm not afraid of any answer. But 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:24.680 we know we live in a clickbait world, right, and 1:24:24.720 --> 1:24:26.720 so you both are going to be guests on my 1:24:26.720 --> 1:24:29.640 show very soon. I could have my team dig up 1:24:29.640 --> 1:24:32.040 all kinds of well once I read on the Shade 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:35.200 Room and I saw this, and dada, what purpose does 1:24:35.280 --> 1:24:40.080 that serve any of us? So for me, I want 1:24:40.120 --> 1:24:42.120 you to feel safe. I want you to feel that 1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:45.680 there's grace and mistakes. That's why I said with Nick 1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:49.600 Cannon being able to get back on air, he deserved 1:24:49.640 --> 1:24:52.479 that shot. I want to interview Kanye West. I don't 1:24:52.520 --> 1:24:55.799 agree with some of the incoming traffic that's coming his way. 1:24:55.960 --> 1:24:58.759 I think people deserve grace. I think they deserve space. 1:24:59.360 --> 1:25:03.200 But that said, when you have a high profile individual, 1:25:03.520 --> 1:25:07.519 they should be prepared to answer tough question. Yeah, I 1:25:07.520 --> 1:25:09.400 thought you gave Andrew a lot of grace and I 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:11.599 liked how you handled that because it didn't feel exploitive. 1:25:11.960 --> 1:25:13.640 And that's what I don't want to do right. And 1:25:13.760 --> 1:25:15.360 even when people and you guys do a great job, 1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:17.240 when folks come in here and they're in the midst 1:25:17.280 --> 1:25:20.040 of a scandal, they should be prepared. Oprah says, you 1:25:20.120 --> 1:25:22.640 cannot tell me what to ask you. You are in 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:25.880 charge of how you answer, and so I always come 1:25:25.920 --> 1:25:28.639 in knowing that people might ask me something that I'm 1:25:28.680 --> 1:25:31.640 not like I don't fully talk about Prince for a 1:25:31.640 --> 1:25:34.360 lot of reasons, but I don't. But I'm always prepared 1:25:35.479 --> 1:25:37.360 for it, so they should be prepared. We're big kids, 1:25:37.360 --> 1:25:39.719 We're on a big stage. You got a big stage, 1:25:39.720 --> 1:25:41.120 and if you want to stand on that stage, you 1:25:41.160 --> 1:25:42.840 got to be ready for the questions. And so that's 1:25:42.840 --> 1:25:45.080 how I approached the show. Some people have been nasty 1:25:45.080 --> 1:25:47.439 about it, and I just decline their appearance. I just say, 1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:50.840 we can't. We can negotiate. And some people will say, oh, 1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:53.160 I can't talk about it for legal reasons. I know 1:25:53.200 --> 1:25:55.639 when they're not telling the truth about that, and I'll say, okay, 1:25:55.640 --> 1:25:58.120 well what about this. But if there's a hard knowing, 1:25:58.200 --> 1:26:01.040 it's important to the audience to know, and I would 1:26:01.120 --> 1:26:03.200 rather pass. And I have said, come back when you're 1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:12.200 ready to talk. Okay, And congratulations on everything too, myst 1:26:12.240 --> 1:26:15.600 seasons and new show Sunday Nights, Sunday nights, UM and 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:18.880 TV Sport TV. I'm super excited about that, the Tamerin 1:26:18.920 --> 1:26:21.280 Hall Show, the book. But again, thank you guys. As 1:26:21.360 --> 1:26:23.320 my first time, I was a little bit nervous, really 1:26:23.880 --> 1:26:26.439 not scared, nervous because none of you would jump in 1:26:26.479 --> 1:26:29.559 the water to say, man, I knew that I can't 1:26:29.600 --> 1:26:34.280 smell yo. Well I'm happy because now I called Night 1:26:34.320 --> 1:26:36.080 one one and be like, there's gonna be a number. 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:38.439 We're in the middle of Mexico and the ocean. All 1:26:38.439 --> 1:26:40.160 I can do angel I love you. You're gonna be 1:26:40.160 --> 1:26:43.479 on my show soon. DJ Envy Charlamagne come back anytime. 1:26:43.840 --> 1:26:45.760 Thank you so much, and please do not start any 1:26:45.760 --> 1:26:47.960 static with me and Nick Cannon. I have nothing to 1:26:47.960 --> 1:26:52.200 do with that. Whatever comes to this will this. All 1:26:52.240 --> 1:26:56.680 I can do is ask the questions. Camer give me 1:26:56.760 --> 1:27:02.040 my bag back, Lebron James. I'm the Breakfast Club, the 1:27:02.240 --> 1:27:06.320 Breakfast Club. Your mornings will never be the same. He's 1:27:06.400 --> 1:27:09.160 going the summer with the best audio entertainment from Audible. 1:27:09.360 --> 1:27:11.679 Listen to best selling audiobooks like Me and My Wife's 1:27:11.680 --> 1:27:15.080 book Real Life for Real Love, originals and podcasts, as 1:27:15.080 --> 1:27:17.880 well as motivation, wellness programs and the Lads, tech and 1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:20.519 business ideas all the one apt sign up for thirty 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:24.600 days free at audible dot com. Slash Breakfast Club Charlemaine 1:27:24.680 --> 1:27:27.679 say that gang don't get out. The shape name you 1:27:28.080 --> 1:27:35.080 are you Donkey today does not discriminate. I might not 1:27:35.240 --> 1:27:36.760 have the song of today. But I got to don't 1:27:36.760 --> 1:27:38.720 get that. So if you ever feel I need to 1:27:38.720 --> 1:27:43.160 be a donkey man, hit it with the breakfast club bitch, 1:27:43.320 --> 1:27:46.240 Please don't give today today? Wow, don't hear? The day 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:49.680 goes to John F. Kennedy Middle School in Connecticut, in particular, 1:27:49.760 --> 1:27:52.960 a teacher name Bree Wharton. She's the district's health and 1:27:52.960 --> 1:27:57.000 physical education coordinator, and superintendent Christopher Dreesick I think I'm 1:27:57.040 --> 1:27:58.960 for nothing his last name right now. I have extreme 1:27:59.040 --> 1:28:00.920 love for public school team, just dropping the clues bombs 1:28:00.920 --> 1:28:03.479 for all the public school teams shot down because my 1:28:03.479 --> 1:28:05.479 mother has been a public school teacher in South Carolina 1:28:05.520 --> 1:28:07.679 for as long as I've been alive, and I understand 1:28:07.800 --> 1:28:10.120 the impact that public school teachers have on kids. And 1:28:10.160 --> 1:28:12.160 I know how hard that job is because you have 1:28:12.200 --> 1:28:14.840 to truly love it because it's not like to pay 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:17.040 as your incentive. I mean, you have to really care 1:28:17.080 --> 1:28:19.920 for these kids in their well being. Lesson plans, assignments, 1:28:19.960 --> 1:28:22.280 all of these things teachers come up with the educate kids. 1:28:22.479 --> 1:28:25.439 We appreciate you dropping another clul's bomb for teachers man, 1:28:25.479 --> 1:28:28.920 public school teachers. We know it's not easy and in 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:31.479 this era of social media, video games, all types of 1:28:31.520 --> 1:28:35.680 things just pulling at these kids attention, cutting through to 1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:38.400 these children and creating things that can actually appeal to 1:28:38.439 --> 1:28:41.160 these kids is tough. So I'm not judging, okay, but 1:28:41.200 --> 1:28:43.200 as a parent of a middle schooler, I would be 1:28:43.200 --> 1:28:46.160 concerned about this lesson plan that came out of JFK 1:28:46.240 --> 1:28:49.480 Middle School. I'm holding it in my hand right now, okay, 1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:55.400 And the title is Pizza in Consent. Okay. Basically, kids 1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:58.960 at JFK Middle School in Connecticut were instructed to use 1:28:59.080 --> 1:29:03.400 pizza as a metaphor for sex and ask to site 1:29:03.439 --> 1:29:08.160 their favorite toppings. For example, cheese was for kissing and 1:29:08.320 --> 1:29:12.639 olives were forgiving oral Basically, they compared ordering a pizza 1:29:12.680 --> 1:29:16.200 to receiving consent. I guess I can't make this kind 1:29:16.200 --> 1:29:18.559 of stuff up. Listen to Eric Sanzi, director of outreach 1:29:18.600 --> 1:29:21.400 for Parents Defending Education. She did an interview with ABC 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:25.760 seven KATV to describe the assignment. The assignment started out 1:29:25.840 --> 1:29:29.400 with a sentence that said, yes, pizza can be a 1:29:29.400 --> 1:29:32.240 metaphor for sex, and then it went on to explain 1:29:32.320 --> 1:29:35.639 that just like when friends have to agree on pizza 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:38.760 toppings when they're sharing a pizza, that people need to 1:29:38.800 --> 1:29:41.760 agree on what they're willing to do and not do 1:29:41.920 --> 1:29:44.439 in terms of consent, and so they decided to have 1:29:44.520 --> 1:29:47.439 the students list their sexual likes and dislikes and then 1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:50.200 draw them on a pizza as pizza toppings. Now, again, 1:29:50.240 --> 1:29:52.680 these are eighth graders, and it's important to keep in 1:29:52.720 --> 1:29:56.880 mind under fifteen percent of eighth graders have had sex. 1:29:57.280 --> 1:30:00.599 So they're being asked very personal questions on a topic 1:30:00.680 --> 1:30:04.479 that many of them are totally inexperienced with and likely 1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:08.880 uncomfortable talking about in school. This is middle school. How 1:30:08.880 --> 1:30:10.799 many topics do you think I've had them on pizza 1:30:10.800 --> 1:30:13.559 in middle school? Now? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but 1:30:13.640 --> 1:30:16.640 I enjoy a great conspiracy theory, and Pizza Gate was 1:30:16.680 --> 1:30:19.360 a great conspiracy theory. You remember pizza Gate, don't you? 1:30:19.680 --> 1:30:22.400 Had a false allegation that the Clinton's used the comic 1:30:22.479 --> 1:30:25.240 Ping Pong pizza restaurant and Washington, DC is a front 1:30:25.280 --> 1:30:27.600 for a pedophile sex ring in the back room was 1:30:27.640 --> 1:30:31.960 supposedly used for kidnapping and kidnapping and trafficking children. Okay, Now, 1:30:31.960 --> 1:30:33.400 of course all of this was proven to be false, 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:34.800 but it made a lot of noise, all right. The 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:38.400 owner of Ping Pong and his staff received death threats. 1:30:38.880 --> 1:30:41.439 People protested outside of the restaurant. A guy actually went 1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:44.200 in the restaurant and fired a gun at an employee. 1:30:44.479 --> 1:30:47.599 See these fake stories be having real world consequences. Okay, 1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:50.040 people believe these conspiracy theories, and when you promote these 1:30:50.040 --> 1:30:53.439 false and reckless conspiracy theories, bad things happen. I'm saying 1:30:53.439 --> 1:30:56.320 all that to say JFK Middle School in Connecticut has 1:30:56.360 --> 1:31:00.240 done nothing but contributed to that conspiracy theory. I don't 1:31:00.240 --> 1:31:01.840 even know if Pizza Gate is still a thing, but 1:31:01.960 --> 1:31:04.120 this right here is going to resurrect it. All right. Listen, 1:31:04.120 --> 1:31:06.360 My daughter is in a grade she's thirteen. These kids 1:31:06.360 --> 1:31:09.439 are watching shows like Euphoria. These kids have social media. 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:11.800 These kids talk amongst each other. Do you remember when 1:31:11.840 --> 1:31:15.760 you were thirteen, twelve, eleven, whatever age we were in 1:31:15.840 --> 1:31:17.920 middle school, we was already talking about sex in the 1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:20.120 real way. So I can only imagine with all our 1:31:20.120 --> 1:31:22.960 access these kids have now what their conversations are like. 1:31:23.200 --> 1:31:26.280 So you don't need stunch like this. Just talk to 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:30.200 the kids. Okay, let's talk to them, all right, listen, 1:31:30.240 --> 1:31:31.439 let me let me reach out some of this. This 1:31:31.479 --> 1:31:33.200 is why they use the metaphor for sex, they say. 1:31:33.240 --> 1:31:36.360 When you order your pizza with friends, everyone checks in 1:31:36.400 --> 1:31:39.160 about each other's preferences. Some people might be vegan, some 1:31:39.240 --> 1:31:42.479 people might be gluten free. Others might love pineapple while 1:31:42.520 --> 1:31:45.320 others prefer pepperoni. Some might not like pizza at all. 1:31:45.360 --> 1:31:47.599 If you're a vegetarian but your friend is a meat lover, 1:31:47.880 --> 1:31:50.080 sharing a pizza is gonna bring up a lot of issues. 1:31:50.360 --> 1:31:52.160 You don't know who you can share your pizza with 1:31:52.400 --> 1:31:55.360 unless you ask, Okay, didn't they say the same goals 1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:59.479 with sex? No? What are he talking about the metaphor? 1:31:59.479 --> 1:32:02.120 To make no s the correlation makes no sense. You 1:32:02.200 --> 1:32:03.640 have to check in with your partners and ask for 1:32:03.680 --> 1:32:06.400 their preferences. Your partner might be comfortable with one sexual 1:32:06.400 --> 1:32:09.000 activity but not another. Maybe your partners only want to 1:32:09.000 --> 1:32:11.360 be touched a certain way, or maybe your partners prefer 1:32:11.439 --> 1:32:14.120 to use certain language, or maybe they don't want to 1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:17.240 have sex at all. You'll never know your wants, desires, 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:20.040 and you'll never know if your wants, desires, and boundaries 1:32:20.080 --> 1:32:24.240 are compatible with theirs unless you ask. No, I don't 1:32:24.280 --> 1:32:26.640 want y'all asking my daughter about any of that? And 1:32:26.760 --> 1:32:29.639 once again, furthermore, how many toppings do you think these 1:32:29.720 --> 1:32:32.280 kids have had in middle school? Middle school? I would 1:32:32.280 --> 1:32:35.360 hope these kids are virgins. Okay, just playing cheese pizzas 1:32:35.400 --> 1:32:37.960 matter of fact, No cheese, no tomato, sauce, just raw dough. 1:32:38.400 --> 1:32:40.760 You know that hasn't even been putting up in yet. 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:43.759 All right. Amanda, who is a parent from that school district, 1:32:43.800 --> 1:32:46.400 took to social media to express her discuss with the assignment. 1:32:46.479 --> 1:32:49.200 Let's listen to Amanda. Just last week, a school assignment 1:32:49.200 --> 1:32:52.120 and JFK label pizza in content were sent out for students. 1:32:52.400 --> 1:32:54.400 What's pizza got to do with it? You wonder we 1:32:54.439 --> 1:32:57.040 can use pizza as a metaphor for sex. Those are 1:32:57.040 --> 1:32:59.280 the first two lines of this assignment, which are centered 1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:02.920 around established consent and boundaries, except for page two, where 1:33:02.920 --> 1:33:05.320 it takes it one step further in states. Now that 1:33:05.360 --> 1:33:08.120 you know the metaphor for sex, let's explore your preference, 1:33:08.520 --> 1:33:11.160 draw and color your favorite type of pizza. Mirror these 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:14.280 preferences in relation to sex. Here are some examples, like 1:33:14.880 --> 1:33:19.000 cheese equals kissing, dislikes olives equals giving oral Since one 1:33:19.240 --> 1:33:21.519 has become acceptable for a teacher to ask a student 1:33:21.520 --> 1:33:24.760 what their sexual wants desires and boundaries are Maybe our 1:33:24.760 --> 1:33:26.960 board members would like to answer this assignment and share 1:33:27.000 --> 1:33:29.280 their thoughts, just like our eighth grade students were requested 1:33:29.320 --> 1:33:33.800 to do. Now, of course, the school is currently backtracking. 1:33:34.080 --> 1:33:37.040 Superintendent Christopher Dreesy says it was a mistake and the 1:33:37.120 --> 1:33:40.320 assignment had been inadvertently sent to the students. Basically, they 1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:42.679 are claiming they sent the pizza to the wronghouse, okay, 1:33:42.720 --> 1:33:44.760 he said. While the assignment was inappropriate, there was no 1:33:44.840 --> 1:33:48.160 hidden agenda. He said while addressing the parents, there was 1:33:48.200 --> 1:33:51.800 no secret cabal to indoctrinate kids on something. Let me 1:33:51.840 --> 1:33:56.840 tell you, man, if you know you have to explain 1:33:57.240 --> 1:34:00.360 that there's no secret cabal to indoctrinate kids. If a 1:34:00.439 --> 1:34:03.280 school superintendent has to explain that, all right, then my 1:34:03.320 --> 1:34:07.200 kids might be in the wrong school, all right. An 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:10.640 explanation like that is just I don't know, man. I 1:34:10.680 --> 1:34:12.840 just feel like this assignment is prompting kids to become 1:34:12.880 --> 1:34:15.320 sexually active before their time. And what does pizza have 1:34:15.400 --> 1:34:17.080 to do with consent? I still don't even know that, 1:34:17.200 --> 1:34:19.000 all right. Choosing what to put on your pizza when 1:34:19.000 --> 1:34:22.559 you are ordering with a group, it's hard enough by itself. Now, 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:24.720 you're trying to make it a metaphor for sex, and 1:34:24.800 --> 1:34:27.320 even after it's been explained, I still don't know what 1:34:27.520 --> 1:34:30.000 any of this has to do with consent. All right, 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:33.640 Just talk to these kids. They're young adults. Speak to 1:34:33.680 --> 1:34:36.400 them as such. I promise they can handle it. But 1:34:36.600 --> 1:34:42.400 pizza as a metaphor for consent, they cannot. And what's 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:48.240 the topic for antal? Please give John F. Kennedy Middle 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:54.920 School in Connecticut the bigga. See huh, my kids ain't 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:58.440 eating pizza no more. That's what you got out of that. 1:34:58.439 --> 1:35:00.200 That's what you got out of that. Out of it 1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:03.920 as you got out of that all day long. Jesus Christ. 1:35:05.080 --> 1:35:12.880 The Breakfast Club, Kylie one O five one, The Breakfast Club. 1:35:12.960 --> 1:35:17.120 Your mornings will never be the same morning everybody is 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:20.800 DJ Envy Angela shown them and the guy we are 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:23.120 the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the building, 1:35:23.479 --> 1:35:28.120 Ricky Lake, the Legend, the legend. You're too kind, Good morning, 1:35:28.240 --> 1:35:31.120 Nice to see you. Ah well, funny you should mentioned 1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:32.840 that I'm doing a new show where I'm doing a 1:35:32.880 --> 1:35:35.800 podcast with my old show called Raised by Everybody. Ricky, Yeah, 1:35:35.840 --> 1:35:37.639 what do you think? I think that's a great idea. 1:35:37.720 --> 1:35:40.120 I'm I just realized what the concept is just now 1:35:40.120 --> 1:35:41.400 when you said it, because I just thought it was 1:35:41.439 --> 1:35:43.680 gonna be. You know, you're doing a podcast, you know, 1:35:43.800 --> 1:35:46.840 talking about current events, but you're reliving the show. Yeah, 1:35:46.880 --> 1:35:49.200 we're gonna go back in time and break down these 1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:51.920 episodes because you know, lemon on a Media is an 1:35:51.960 --> 1:35:55.640 amazing podcast company. These women are badasses, and they approached me, 1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:57.120 and you know, I've been asked to do a podcast, 1:35:57.120 --> 1:35:59.000 as everyone has over the years, and I was like, 1:35:59.080 --> 1:36:01.960 oh no, we to Abby Epstein, my partner, and I 1:36:01.960 --> 1:36:05.280 want to talk about it, my filmmaking partner. I'm so 1:36:05.320 --> 1:36:08.840 happy she's here. But no, this concept something about you know, 1:36:08.840 --> 1:36:10.920 first of all, it's a thirty This year's thirty years 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:13.519 that I did the pilot of The Ricky Lations. So 1:36:13.600 --> 1:36:16.599 I was twenty three years old when I did the pilot. 1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:19.439 I'm now fifty three, so you know, it was really 1:36:19.439 --> 1:36:21.120 interesting to me. I think what we were able to 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:22.519 do back then. I didn't think of it at the 1:36:22.560 --> 1:36:24.680 time is groundbreaking. But the issues we were able to 1:36:24.680 --> 1:36:28.280 cover the way we treated gay people, the way we 1:36:28.320 --> 1:36:30.400 treated mixed race couples, the way we treat you know, 1:36:30.439 --> 1:36:32.080 it was just we covered a lot of bases, and 1:36:32.120 --> 1:36:34.680 I think it'll be really interesting to go back with 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:37.000 the lens of now where we are now, Have we 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:39.400 made progress? Have we gone backwards? And we're going to 1:36:39.439 --> 1:36:42.640 have a co host that's gen Z, that's probably you know, 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:45.240 someone who's non binary, is certainly a person of color 1:36:45.680 --> 1:36:47.920 and who didn't grow up with me, and kind of 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:50.599 tell the story and bring back old guests, old experts, 1:36:50.600 --> 1:36:52.120 and I think it'll be a lot of fun. You 1:36:52.160 --> 1:36:54.360 know what I love about shows like Rickey Lake, even 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:57.200 Donna Hue back in the day, even early Oprah, y'all 1:36:57.240 --> 1:36:59.639 sat down with people you had differences with. You sat 1:36:59.680 --> 1:37:01.760 down people you may not have agreed with. Nowadays, if 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:04.320 you do that, they'll call you problematic. Yeah, I don't 1:37:04.400 --> 1:37:06.960 understand that. I don't either, I mean, and that's why 1:37:07.160 --> 1:37:09.439 I'm glad I don't have the show that I had 1:37:09.520 --> 1:37:12.080 back then. Now it just feels like you're walking on eggshells. 1:37:12.120 --> 1:37:14.559 No matter what you do, you're gonna piss someone off. 1:37:15.040 --> 1:37:18.320 And Yeah, I just think it's it's gonna be a 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:20.840 cool experiment. I mean, I think we're all nostalgic for 1:37:21.000 --> 1:37:24.519 that time, the nineties and I'm up for it. No, 1:37:24.600 --> 1:37:26.720 I'd love to see you and you'll do that. I 1:37:28.120 --> 1:37:30.040 would love to see that. I'd love to see anything. 1:37:30.960 --> 1:37:33.920 Before we didn't ask one question, how are you? I'm 1:37:33.960 --> 1:37:38.360 amazing the best me I have ever been, you know, 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:40.120 which is like I did that show and my name 1:37:40.160 --> 1:37:41.320 was on the rug and I didn't really have a 1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:43.240 sense of who I was. And I think in making 1:37:43.280 --> 1:37:45.120 these documentaries that I've been making with that be for 1:37:45.200 --> 1:37:48.320 more than fifteen years, I've really come into a place 1:37:48.320 --> 1:37:50.600 of like knowing my voice and what I believe in 1:37:50.600 --> 1:37:52.320 and what I stand for. And I've now, you know, 1:37:52.400 --> 1:37:55.560 gone dark. I lost my partner five years ago to 1:37:55.840 --> 1:37:58.800 my olarn suicide, but I've now five years later, met 1:37:58.880 --> 1:38:00.960 the man of my dreams and I just got married 1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:03.160 two months ago. I'm congress. I live in my best life. 1:38:03.200 --> 1:38:06.200 Thank you so much. How are you happy? I'm so good. 1:38:06.680 --> 1:38:09.200 I'm so happy to be with this woman. We just 1:38:09.240 --> 1:38:13.000 had our double feature premiere last night and we watched 1:38:13.120 --> 1:38:16.120 this movie we made fourteen years ago in the same 1:38:16.240 --> 1:38:20.360 theater that it premiered in at the IFC Center, Business 1:38:20.360 --> 1:38:22.920 of Being Born, and we just both sat there with 1:38:22.960 --> 1:38:25.320 my son who's now fifteen who was born in the 1:38:25.360 --> 1:38:29.080 movie Wow, and like we had chills the whole time, 1:38:29.160 --> 1:38:31.200 you know, because we were watching this going I can't 1:38:31.240 --> 1:38:33.719 believe that we made this in two thousand and eight. 1:38:34.120 --> 1:38:37.920 It still holds up. It was powerful. If from the beginning, 1:38:38.120 --> 1:38:41.040 before you guys met what made you start the Rickey 1:38:41.080 --> 1:38:43.599 Lake Show? You were only twenty four years old? What's said? 1:38:43.760 --> 1:38:46.040 What made you think this is what I want to do? 1:38:46.080 --> 1:38:47.920 You want to the honest truth. Absolutely, it was the 1:38:48.000 --> 1:38:50.639 job that came along. Honestly, I had been a guest. 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:54.639 I don't you guys are younger than me, but I well, 1:38:54.640 --> 1:38:57.360 I'm fifty three and I was I did Okay, I 1:38:57.400 --> 1:39:00.920 did Hairspray when I was eighteen, and Ian David Letterman 1:39:01.000 --> 1:39:03.080 was a big fan of John Waters, and so he 1:39:03.120 --> 1:39:04.680 would have me on over and over again, kind of 1:39:04.720 --> 1:39:07.360 like Sandra Bernhard back then. And it was from those 1:39:07.360 --> 1:39:09.720 appearances that they thought of me. They were this guy 1:39:09.760 --> 1:39:12.080 garth Ans here. It was a kind of media whiz. 1:39:12.360 --> 1:39:13.880 He wanted to do a younger show because he looked 1:39:13.920 --> 1:39:16.320 at Oprah and Donahue and they were skewing over fifty five. 1:39:16.680 --> 1:39:19.160 So they wanted to do something to skew towards younger women, 1:39:19.160 --> 1:39:21.639 primarily women eighteen to thirty four, eighteen to forty nine. 1:39:21.880 --> 1:39:23.240 So they went on a search and I was one 1:39:23.240 --> 1:39:25.400 of a hundred women at that time. I went and 1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:28.320 flirted with three gay guys. I didn't know they were gay, 1:39:28.360 --> 1:39:31.880 but I just brought out my skills and they gave 1:39:31.920 --> 1:39:34.040 me the pilot and I was like so broke. At 1:39:34.080 --> 1:39:35.840 that time, I was living in a poolhouse in the 1:39:35.920 --> 1:39:38.080 valley north of Victory, if anybody knows where that is. 1:39:38.120 --> 1:39:40.639 No one spoke English, and I know, I was kind 1:39:40.640 --> 1:39:42.320 of couldn't get my agent to call me back. And 1:39:42.360 --> 1:39:43.840 I got this opportunity. I was like, all right, I'll 1:39:43.880 --> 1:39:45.840 do it. Five thousand dollars. I needed my rent paid 1:39:45.880 --> 1:39:48.240 for a year, and I'll do it for that. Luckily, 1:39:48.240 --> 1:39:50.640 we renegotiated and it turned into this phenomenon and it 1:39:50.720 --> 1:39:54.080 wasn't a calculated move. Every step of my career, including 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:56.240 the business of being born, is never coming from a 1:39:56.280 --> 1:39:58.799 place of like seeing the big picture. It's really about, 1:39:59.040 --> 1:40:01.920 all right, that sounds good, I could do it. So 1:40:01.960 --> 1:40:03.759 I think I have this confidence in me and also 1:40:03.800 --> 1:40:07.880 this like naivete, you know, and it's worked out. You 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:11.080 got five thou Well, yeah, yeah, I did. But the 1:40:11.120 --> 1:40:13.240 first season, so then my agent did get involved and 1:40:13.240 --> 1:40:16.759 they packaged the show first, No, the pilot, the pilot 1:40:16.800 --> 1:40:19.240 was initially that was my opening bid was I'll do 1:40:19.280 --> 1:40:21.720 it for five thousand dollars. And then the first year, 1:40:21.760 --> 1:40:23.479 you know, at my salary, I don't remember what it was. 1:40:23.520 --> 1:40:25.080 But at the end of the first year the show 1:40:25.120 --> 1:40:27.400 was such a huge success. This is nineteen ninety three, 1:40:27.840 --> 1:40:31.000 they gave me a bonus of a half million dollars. Wow. Really, yes, 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:32.640 a lot of money in ninety three. A lot of 1:40:32.880 --> 1:40:35.200 that was a lot of money for real, Like I 1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:38.519 was broke. I my house was for clothes at that time. Yeah, 1:40:38.560 --> 1:40:40.559 I was needing that money. And it was you know 1:40:40.600 --> 1:40:44.040 that show it was I mean, it was just my life. 1:40:44.040 --> 1:40:46.320 Like I didn't have the concept, like I'm twenty four 1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:48.160 years old. I don't even know who I am, you 1:40:48.160 --> 1:40:50.479 know who, like the audacity to get on that stage 1:40:50.479 --> 1:40:54.200 and moderate these panels. But I think looking back at it, 1:40:54.240 --> 1:40:56.960 I was I was the perfect kind of person for 1:40:57.080 --> 1:40:59.200 that role because I was a good listener. You know. 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:01.840 It was very fourth coming about my own you know, hardshifts. 1:41:02.320 --> 1:41:06.000 I'm curious I'm so fascinated by people. I don't judge people, 1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:09.559 and so I think you're so real. You're so real. 1:41:09.920 --> 1:41:12.240 Anybody who meets Ricky, any of my friends, but anyone 1:41:12.240 --> 1:41:14.280 wh meets Ricky in five minutes, they go that woman 1:41:14.320 --> 1:41:17.320 has the biggest heart. She's just so real. Like you 1:41:17.360 --> 1:41:19.720 don't meet a lot of celebrities that are like that, 1:41:19.800 --> 1:41:23.639 anti celebrity quality, And I think that's really what worked 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:25.920 on that show. The show was a party, you know. 1:41:25.960 --> 1:41:27.760 It was just like you know, the people that came 1:41:27.800 --> 1:41:29.559 to our show, they waited months and months and months 1:41:29.560 --> 1:41:32.680 to get tickets back then, and you know, it was 1:41:32.720 --> 1:41:35.040 always surprising. I mean, it was a little formulaic. I 1:41:35.080 --> 1:41:36.760 have to admit, like I knew, you know, I knew 1:41:36.760 --> 1:41:38.439 from the names I could tell, Okay, this is a 1:41:38.439 --> 1:41:41.400 black story. The first guests. The first guests were always 1:41:41.400 --> 1:41:44.400 the most outrageous, you know, and then we'd have the 1:41:44.400 --> 1:41:46.519 white story and then we you know, we'd balance it out. 1:41:47.320 --> 1:41:49.439 But I feel like we we did do a lot 1:41:49.520 --> 1:41:51.880 of good, like we you know, we we definitely saw 1:41:52.000 --> 1:41:54.679 people and many times that they're worst, but I feel 1:41:54.720 --> 1:41:57.840 like I treated everyone equally. I treated everyone with compassion, 1:41:58.080 --> 1:42:01.160 and it was a good time. Did you said something 1:42:01.160 --> 1:42:04.080 earlier that was interesting? You said, um, you know, you 1:42:04.160 --> 1:42:05.880 said a lot right about what women had to go 1:42:05.880 --> 1:42:08.200 through because you're obviously talented. But you said you had 1:42:08.240 --> 1:42:11.800 to flirt with the executives. Kid, I didn't. I don't 1:42:11.800 --> 1:42:13.439 think it was a prerequisite. It was just my It 1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:17.679 was my m o. I mean wa, I wasn't even 1:42:17.720 --> 1:42:20.360 like I was, you know, very like heavy set, and 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:22.800 I you know, wore a big flower hat probably. I 1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:24.840 mean I didn't have a really a game. I didn't 1:42:24.840 --> 1:42:27.040 have any game back then, but I knew how to 1:42:27.080 --> 1:42:30.200 be charming and appealing and it worked. It worked in 1:42:30.240 --> 1:42:33.160 my favor. But um, yeah, that's the only game I know. 1:42:33.680 --> 1:42:36.240 I was going to ask, how did you guys me business? 1:42:36.320 --> 1:42:38.920 How was that so funny? You tell them? Okay, So 1:42:39.000 --> 1:42:40.760 I was directing a show. Do you remember the show 1:42:40.800 --> 1:42:44.439 The Vagina Monologues. Yeah? Yeah, do you remember that? That 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:48.479 was also like started in the in the They made 1:42:48.479 --> 1:42:50.960 an HBO. Yeah, it filded a special, but it was 1:42:51.000 --> 1:42:55.160 a play off Broadway ran for a really long time. Um, 1:42:55.200 --> 1:42:59.559 and so originally we had three actresses that would rotate 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:02.559 every two weeks. So every two weeks, three celebrities would 1:43:02.560 --> 1:43:04.800 come in and I would put them into the play. 1:43:05.520 --> 1:43:09.559 And Ricky came in one week, and like I said, 1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:13.200 she's so real, you know, like most of these celebrities, 1:43:13.280 --> 1:43:14.640 you know what I mean, I don't really want to 1:43:14.640 --> 1:43:16.439 get drinks with them after. I just want to do 1:43:16.520 --> 1:43:18.680 my job and go home. And then Ricky and I 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:21.920 rode the bus home together and she just had me 1:43:21.960 --> 1:43:24.280 on the floor, like she just had me at hello. 1:43:24.400 --> 1:43:27.960 And so we met and then I guess this was 1:43:28.000 --> 1:43:30.559 like years later. We met in like ninety nine or 1:43:30.560 --> 1:43:32.519 two thousand. I got pregnant with my second son, and 1:43:32.560 --> 1:43:34.640 then I was wanting a home birth, like I was 1:43:35.200 --> 1:43:38.040 getting educated about my options, and so I was telling 1:43:38.040 --> 1:43:40.240 her and she's like, you're crazy, You're crazy, You're crazy. 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:42.400 And then I got to vote. Nine to eleven was 1:43:42.439 --> 1:43:44.760 a huge turning point for me. Where I was living 1:43:44.800 --> 1:43:47.720 downtown and I, you know, I thought we were going 1:43:47.800 --> 1:43:49.400 to die. I watched the second plane hit the building, 1:43:49.400 --> 1:43:51.720 and I in that moment of being on the roof 1:43:51.760 --> 1:43:53.120 of my building with my four year old and I 1:43:53.200 --> 1:43:54.960 had a two month old at the time, I said, 1:43:54.960 --> 1:43:57.120 I'm leaving if I get out of this, you know, alive, 1:43:57.160 --> 1:43:58.880 I'm leaving New York. I'm leaving this job, and I'm 1:43:58.920 --> 1:44:01.479 leaving this man. And I moved to LA It took 1:44:01.479 --> 1:44:03.000 a year and a half. I had to finish my contract. 1:44:03.040 --> 1:44:05.040 I didn't end up quitting my show per se, but 1:44:05.120 --> 1:44:07.400 I ended I didn't renew my contract that back then, 1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:09.080 and I wanted to start a new life. And that's 1:44:09.080 --> 1:44:11.120 when I started soul searching about where I what I 1:44:11.160 --> 1:44:12.880 wanted to do, where I can make a difference. And 1:44:12.920 --> 1:44:15.000 we made the business of being born. But you know, 1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:16.880 I had her come out. I said, you got to 1:44:16.920 --> 1:44:18.639 come out and see my fast house in Brentwood. Yeah, 1:44:18.880 --> 1:44:20.880 and see my new life. Yeah. I'd like basically stopped 1:44:20.880 --> 1:44:24.240 at her new house on my way back to lax 1:44:24.400 --> 1:44:28.000 miss my flight because we started talking and I had 1:44:28.040 --> 1:44:31.000 made one documentary at that point about violence against women, 1:44:31.080 --> 1:44:33.600 and I knew how to roughly make a documentary. And 1:44:33.640 --> 1:44:35.560 she was like, I have this idea for this project. 1:44:35.920 --> 1:44:38.840 It's about midwiffery and home birth. And I was like, 1:44:38.920 --> 1:44:41.519 this does not sound commercial, this does not sound like 1:44:41.560 --> 1:44:43.519 a like a hot seller. I had no idea what 1:44:43.560 --> 1:44:46.639 a midwife was. And then she whipped out her little 1:44:46.720 --> 1:44:49.760 video care for my nine hour home birth video on 1:44:49.800 --> 1:44:51.800 my little you know, cam quarter and I gave it 1:44:51.800 --> 1:44:53.479 to her and I said, here, I hadn't even watched it. 1:44:53.520 --> 1:44:55.120 I gave it to her and gave her a couple 1:44:55.120 --> 1:44:56.840 of books, and she came back and she goes, I 1:44:56.840 --> 1:44:58.920 think we can make a documentary. And then the magic 1:44:58.960 --> 1:45:00.600 of this film it took three half years to make 1:45:00.600 --> 1:45:03.240 because she got pregnant two years into making of the film, 1:45:03.479 --> 1:45:05.880 and then her story, her dramatic story of her birth, 1:45:05.920 --> 1:45:07.240 is in the yes to the end of the film. 1:45:07.320 --> 1:45:09.439 That was intense last night when we were watching it 1:45:09.520 --> 1:45:13.000 again and Ricky's there with her new husband, Ross, who's 1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:16.880 never seen the movie. I'm there with my son who's 1:45:16.920 --> 1:45:19.120 born in the movie, who's never seen the movie. My 1:45:19.240 --> 1:45:21.080 ex is sitting in front of me. It was like 1:45:21.120 --> 1:45:23.320 and he shot the movie, and it was really intense. 1:45:23.680 --> 1:45:26.679 But yeah, so we both we both give birth essentially 1:45:26.720 --> 1:45:29.000 in that movie. So it's a really rare kind of 1:45:29.040 --> 1:45:33.120 documentary where it's a personal piece about the filmmakers and 1:45:33.120 --> 1:45:35.360 then it's also like a very political piece and it's 1:45:35.400 --> 1:45:39.400 still so relevant to come out, oh three and a 1:45:39.439 --> 1:45:42.360 half years, oh, because that's how long they make this one. 1:45:42.400 --> 1:45:44.519 That we just released last night. The Business would Be 1:45:44.600 --> 1:45:49.120 of birth Control took seven years? Seven how long? We 1:45:49.160 --> 1:45:52.280 started it in twenty fifteen because twenty fifteen, first of all, 1:45:52.320 --> 1:45:54.800 you guys, nobody wants to give you any money to 1:45:54.800 --> 1:45:58.760 talk about and especially if you're like, oh, we want 1:45:58.800 --> 1:46:01.760 to talk about women's health. Uh, yeah, we want to 1:46:01.800 --> 1:46:04.479 talk about like how crappy the birth control pill is. Yeah, 1:46:04.479 --> 1:46:05.920 I don't think I want to fund that. I mean 1:46:06.280 --> 1:46:11.160 it's controversial. Um, there's no celebrity in it, and big 1:46:11.200 --> 1:46:13.680 Pharma has their hands on everything. So for us to 1:46:13.720 --> 1:46:16.520 get into sort of mainstream media, there's all this backlash. 1:46:16.560 --> 1:46:18.640 You know, Yeah, you're not Jesse coach. Jesse's I know, 1:46:18.720 --> 1:46:21.680 friend of the your show, and she's she's heavily in 1:46:21.680 --> 1:46:23.640 our film, she's in the movie. We love her, but 1:46:23.680 --> 1:46:27.360 like this message, it's like Netflix, HBO, They're not going 1:46:27.400 --> 1:46:29.479 to make this movie with us. There's no way with 1:46:29.520 --> 1:46:31.759 what we want to say in the business of birth control, 1:46:31.920 --> 1:46:34.679 There's no way. So, you know, you start in twenty fifteen, 1:46:34.720 --> 1:46:37.479 you do a Kickstarter, you get a little chunk of money, 1:46:37.960 --> 1:46:40.320 you make a sizzle reel, you know, you just it's 1:46:40.360 --> 1:46:42.519 like and then we did this movie weed the people 1:46:43.000 --> 1:46:45.640 in twenty eighteen, so we had like another movie in 1:46:45.680 --> 1:46:49.000 the middle of the movie that's about cannabis. Yeah, that's 1:46:49.000 --> 1:46:53.599 about cannabis and children with cancer. And then so yeah, 1:46:53.720 --> 1:46:55.519 just it takes a while. And also because like when 1:46:55.560 --> 1:46:58.559 you're making these films, these films take so much work, right, 1:46:58.600 --> 1:47:01.200 but they're also your side hustle in a way, like 1:47:01.600 --> 1:47:04.000 nobody's paying you, you know at the time, so you're 1:47:04.040 --> 1:47:07.120 just like working on them when you can. Yeah, they're 1:47:07.120 --> 1:47:10.040 just like passion project or passion there for sure, they 1:47:10.080 --> 1:47:12.360 always come out at the right time. Like I think 1:47:12.360 --> 1:47:15.479 the business of birth control releasing now, like this is 1:47:15.520 --> 1:47:17.920 the moment for it. Yeah, especially with women's you know, 1:47:17.960 --> 1:47:22.639 reproductive rights, you know, being script away. Everybody's gop people. 1:47:22.720 --> 1:47:25.160 So yeah, so what is the business of birth control? 1:47:25.880 --> 1:47:27.360 We well, what in the same way did you ever 1:47:27.400 --> 1:47:30.080 see the business of being born? No, I haven't. I 1:47:30.160 --> 1:47:32.200 urge you too, because it's really you know, we take 1:47:32.240 --> 1:47:34.439 a hard look at what birth, you know, the birthing world, 1:47:34.520 --> 1:47:36.000 the medical system when it comes to birth, and the 1:47:36.040 --> 1:47:38.000 same thing we look at the pill, the history of 1:47:38.040 --> 1:47:40.599 the pill, the racist piece of it. Did you know 1:47:40.640 --> 1:47:43.479 that they tested you tell they tested the drug the Pill, 1:47:43.520 --> 1:47:48.160 initially on black and brown women in Puerto Ricoh. Yeah, 1:47:48.200 --> 1:47:50.960 I mean I think that at the end of the day, 1:47:51.120 --> 1:47:53.400 it's sort of like you can equate the business of 1:47:53.400 --> 1:47:56.760 birth control to in a way, the opiate epidemic. You know, 1:47:56.880 --> 1:48:01.439 it's really profits over people. Um, it's the way, you know, 1:48:01.479 --> 1:48:04.880 we know women's bodies have been co opted and controlled 1:48:04.880 --> 1:48:08.160 and exploited for years. So, like Ricky was saying, the 1:48:08.200 --> 1:48:12.240 film covers a lot of grounds. It's truly mind blowing. 1:48:12.360 --> 1:48:14.920 I think people sit there for ninety minutes and they're like, 1:48:15.000 --> 1:48:17.120 I didn't know any of this shit, Like I literally 1:48:17.120 --> 1:48:19.760 didn't know anything in your movie. So one thing is 1:48:19.760 --> 1:48:22.400 we look at some of the products that are out there, 1:48:22.640 --> 1:48:26.559 like maneuver ring that's had a lot a lot of 1:48:26.600 --> 1:48:29.200 women die on it, and you never hear about any 1:48:29.240 --> 1:48:31.200 of it. You never hear about any of it because 1:48:31.600 --> 1:48:35.160 you get gag orders when you accept settlements. So when 1:48:35.160 --> 1:48:38.360 the drug company settles with all these victims, they're then 1:48:38.439 --> 1:48:41.080 not allowed to do any promotion. So the stories in 1:48:41.160 --> 1:48:44.439 our film are the families who wouldn't settle, They didn't 1:48:44.479 --> 1:48:46.919 take the money because they want to change the labeling 1:48:46.960 --> 1:48:49.080 on these products. They don't want other girls to die. 1:48:50.880 --> 1:48:53.240 So we tell that story. And then, like Ricky was saying, 1:48:53.439 --> 1:48:55.760 you know, we look back in time over the way 1:48:55.920 --> 1:48:59.439 birth control has been tied into eugenics, the way that 1:48:59.520 --> 1:49:03.479 it's always been used to you know, weaponize basically against 1:49:03.479 --> 1:49:08.080 communities of color. How obstetrics was literally founded on slavery 1:49:08.080 --> 1:49:11.080 in Africa, the pill was tested on women in Puerto Rico, 1:49:11.680 --> 1:49:14.840 and on and on and on. And then we also 1:49:14.920 --> 1:49:17.439 look at in a positive way. You know, we look 1:49:17.479 --> 1:49:21.439 at this new generation that does not want to take 1:49:21.479 --> 1:49:25.800 the pill that their grandmothers took. Um. They're woke, they're ecological, 1:49:25.920 --> 1:49:28.960 they don't want to put you know, hormones, yeah, and 1:49:29.080 --> 1:49:32.880 acrin disruptors in their body. And so if the pharmaceutical 1:49:32.960 --> 1:49:36.080 companies aren't going to come along with like healthier options, 1:49:36.120 --> 1:49:37.760 they're going to make them up. You know, we're going 1:49:37.800 --> 1:49:39.800 to invent them. So you look at all these cool 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:44.200 femtech entrepreneurs. And in a way, I think, you know, 1:49:44.640 --> 1:49:48.400 the younger generation, it's like they're they're kind of a 1:49:48.520 --> 1:49:50.800 do it yourself generation. They're not going to rely on 1:49:50.840 --> 1:49:53.360 these big companies. And so, you know, we look at 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:56.400 all the innovation that's happening, which is super cool. Didn't 1:49:56.400 --> 1:50:00.400 explore any of Margaret Sanger Oh yeah, okay, ok oh yeah, 1:50:00.800 --> 1:50:03.000 and that happened during the making the film. It happened 1:50:03.080 --> 1:50:06.720 during the film, which was interesting. Yeah, so we originally 1:50:06.760 --> 1:50:10.200 I remember, like Gloria Steinham's on early cut, and you know, 1:50:10.320 --> 1:50:13.320 everyone was worried about that Margaret sang her legacy, like, oh, 1:50:13.360 --> 1:50:15.280 you're going to take her down. I think we're really 1:50:15.320 --> 1:50:17.160 fair to her in the movie. But then at the 1:50:17.280 --> 1:50:19.439 end of the movie, we show an update about how 1:50:19.479 --> 1:50:22.080 Plan Parenthood New York City took her name off the clinic, 1:50:22.560 --> 1:50:25.080 so you know that it's not so like they Plan 1:50:25.200 --> 1:50:27.840 parent finally had to come out and say, you know, 1:50:28.080 --> 1:50:31.879 let's be transparent, like we cannot be identified with our founder. 1:50:33.400 --> 1:50:35.280 So again, that's why I think the timing of the 1:50:35.320 --> 1:50:37.600 movie was so good, because I think having that conversation 1:50:37.640 --> 1:50:40.559 about Margaret sang Her five years ago it happened like 1:50:40.640 --> 1:50:42.680 we would have gotten a lot of pushback. Yeah, my 1:50:42.720 --> 1:50:44.680 wife doesn't like brok control. That's why I get a 1:50:44.720 --> 1:50:47.280 vasectomina because we just had a four of dogs. She's 1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:50.439 six months old. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, she's refused 1:50:50.479 --> 1:50:52.280 to get back on broke control because it makes us sick. 1:50:52.320 --> 1:50:55.360 She hates it. Yeah, it's awful, Like all the options 1:50:55.360 --> 1:50:57.400 are terrible. And you go out there and talk to 1:50:57.479 --> 1:51:00.400 anybody and they will tell you their birth control ernie, 1:51:00.439 --> 1:51:02.800 and they'll tell you every product they used and how 1:51:02.840 --> 1:51:05.200 depressed it made them, or how they lost their sex drive, 1:51:05.280 --> 1:51:06.880 or how they got In my case, I mean, I 1:51:06.880 --> 1:51:08.000 had hair loss. I don't know if you know, I 1:51:09.160 --> 1:51:11.799 was stealing my hair is pretty much it came back. 1:51:11.880 --> 1:51:15.800 But well that's part of it. I think it's a 1:51:15.840 --> 1:51:17.680 lot of things. I was putting extensions in my hair, 1:51:17.720 --> 1:51:19.519 I was coloring my hair. I was stressed about my hair. 1:51:19.560 --> 1:51:22.920 I have androw genetic alopecia, which is the you know, 1:51:23.000 --> 1:51:26.040 genetic hair loss over years. Yeah, it was all above, 1:51:26.080 --> 1:51:29.080 but definitely mess with your hormones. Think about it, you know. 1:51:29.240 --> 1:51:30.960 And it's like what we say in the film, it's 1:51:30.960 --> 1:51:33.439 like sometimes now these kids are getting put on twelve 1:51:33.520 --> 1:51:37.280 thirteen years old for acne, for cramps, you know, like 1:51:37.800 --> 1:51:40.280 you'll see with your daughters. It's like you you got 1:51:40.280 --> 1:51:42.720 to make these decisions right when you have like a 1:51:42.760 --> 1:51:44.519 thirteen year old, fourteen year old that's like, oh, but 1:51:44.640 --> 1:51:47.679 my period cramps are so bad, and then the doctor saying, well, 1:51:47.680 --> 1:51:50.400 just put her on the pill. That'll take care of everything. 1:51:50.479 --> 1:51:54.599 That's how they treat everything, and um, and that's that's 1:51:54.600 --> 1:51:56.200 not going to cut it. That's not gonna cut it 1:51:56.200 --> 1:51:58.559 for the new generation. So I think it's like, you know, 1:51:58.640 --> 1:52:00.800 two things. One is, they're a lot of things that 1:52:00.800 --> 1:52:03.040 people are getting put on the pill four that have 1:52:03.160 --> 1:52:08.800 nothing to do with birth control, right, acne, fiooids, pcos right. 1:52:08.840 --> 1:52:13.040 So we need actual treatments for these conditions. We need studies, yeah, 1:52:13.479 --> 1:52:17.280 on women studies, Yeah. And then you know, we need 1:52:17.360 --> 1:52:19.880 to be more educated about the menstrual cycle so that 1:52:19.960 --> 1:52:23.519 there's other ways to intervene and relieve cramps or whatever 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:26.320 the issues are. Because what's happening is these girls are 1:52:26.320 --> 1:52:29.679 going on at like twelve, thirteen, fourteen, they're not really 1:52:30.000 --> 1:52:32.479 you know, they're hormones, they're not really developing. They're on 1:52:32.600 --> 1:52:35.679 something that's cut like basically putting them into menopause at thirteen, 1:52:36.640 --> 1:52:40.360 and they're not, and they're staying on it. Then they 1:52:40.360 --> 1:52:43.439 stay on it for maybe ten twenty years. I mean 1:52:43.520 --> 1:52:47.080 this drugs were not designed or FDA approved to be 1:52:47.160 --> 1:52:50.160 on for twenty interviews. Did you know that when you're 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:53.920 on these drugs it changes your pheromones? Yes, changes who 1:52:53.960 --> 1:52:56.720 you're attracted to. They do this T shirt test that 1:52:56.800 --> 1:53:00.559 was out of what's Sweden or something Scotland, so it's 1:53:00.560 --> 1:53:04.200 actually your so your pheromones. You know, it's like how 1:53:04.320 --> 1:53:07.479 you you can smell out attraction, right, So you know 1:53:07.560 --> 1:53:09.640 how if you like have sex with certain people, you 1:53:09.640 --> 1:53:12.360 like their smell, you don't like their smell, right, that 1:53:12.600 --> 1:53:16.480 smell is actually giving your body information about their DNA. 1:53:16.600 --> 1:53:20.360 It's actually telling you whether you're going to make healthy 1:53:20.439 --> 1:53:24.559 offspring with that person who. And when you go on 1:53:24.600 --> 1:53:28.960 these birth control products, it takes that like animal sense offline, 1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:32.400 so you can't smell anymore. So they say, like for women, 1:53:32.479 --> 1:53:34.920 the line is you're going to be attracted to someone 1:53:35.000 --> 1:53:38.240 who's more like brother than other, so you're attracted to 1:53:38.439 --> 1:53:42.800 more maybe kind of feminine men. You know, men that 1:53:42.880 --> 1:53:47.760 aren't don't have that kind of opposite polarity. And so 1:53:47.840 --> 1:53:50.920 you hear this a lot anecdotally, right that women either 1:53:51.640 --> 1:53:54.919 go like are with a partner, decide they need some protection, 1:53:55.000 --> 1:53:57.560 go on the pill. Suddenly they're not attracted anymore, or 1:53:57.600 --> 1:53:59.720 the opposite, the opposite. When they go off to family Plan, 1:53:59.800 --> 1:54:01.599 they suddenly are not into their guy, are you're about 1:54:01.600 --> 1:54:07.800 to make YouTube conspiracy thing? YouTube conspiracy? So that can't 1:54:07.800 --> 1:54:09.320 even help you. It canna make you change. You do 1:54:09.320 --> 1:54:17.479 what gin do you like as well? No? No? Oh okay? Condition? 1:54:17.520 --> 1:54:19.280 So how did you get your hair back healthy? So 1:54:19.360 --> 1:54:21.040 I you okay? So I think it's a lot of things. 1:54:21.080 --> 1:54:23.200 Like I said, I don't stress anymore. I mean when 1:54:23.200 --> 1:54:25.840 I shaved my head in grand fashion the turn of 1:54:25.880 --> 1:54:27.559 twenty twenty, I mean I did it in a way 1:54:27.600 --> 1:54:29.800 like can you curse on this show? Okay? I said, 1:54:29.800 --> 1:54:34.240 fuck it? Like I was so done with struggling about 1:54:34.240 --> 1:54:36.040 my hair. It was my deep dark secret. Every time 1:54:36.080 --> 1:54:37.520 I looked in the Mira could see my scalp, and 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:39.520 it just it just drove me crazy, and the extensions 1:54:39.520 --> 1:54:41.360 were pulling. I'm sure many of your much of your 1:54:41.360 --> 1:54:43.600 audience knows what that's like. It's just it's just it 1:54:43.640 --> 1:54:46.240 was painful. And it was because I was a public figure, 1:54:46.280 --> 1:54:50.800 and because I'm so outspoken and honest and authentic. I 1:54:50.960 --> 1:54:52.560 this was this piece of myself that I was hiding, 1:54:52.560 --> 1:54:54.320 and I just decided, all right, I'm gonna rock a 1:54:54.320 --> 1:54:56.320 bald head. You know, I don't know how it's gonna look. 1:54:56.320 --> 1:54:57.680 My friends were telling me, don't worry, you can do. 1:54:57.720 --> 1:54:58.960 You're gonna be able to pull it off. And I 1:54:59.000 --> 1:55:01.720 just did it and gave up. And then I came 1:55:01.760 --> 1:55:04.680 into finding this product that I'm now an ambassador of. 1:55:04.840 --> 1:55:07.680 I've never taken an endorsement in my thirty plus year career. 1:55:08.040 --> 1:55:10.440 It's called her Clinic and it's a shampoo and extract 1:55:10.440 --> 1:55:13.720 and something about the fermentation. I can't explain it, but 1:55:13.760 --> 1:55:16.120 it's non toxic and it's helped my care to be 1:55:16.440 --> 1:55:18.560 as healthy as as it can be. Now you know 1:55:18.560 --> 1:55:21.040 where I'm going next. Were you offended by Chris rocks 1:55:21.120 --> 1:55:24.040 joke towards Jada Pink? I mean I was more offended 1:55:24.040 --> 1:55:27.120 by his actions. It's like it's by Will Smith's actions. 1:55:27.160 --> 1:55:28.640 I mean, like I used to say on my old show, 1:55:28.720 --> 1:55:30.920 violence is never the answer, and the fact that it 1:55:30.960 --> 1:55:34.360 went to that extreme, I mean, nothing, nothing that comes 1:55:34.360 --> 1:55:37.960 out of anyone's mouth justifies a physical altercation. But I 1:55:38.000 --> 1:55:40.400 also did feel for Jada in that moment because I 1:55:41.560 --> 1:55:43.600 would hate to be the butt of that joke if 1:55:43.600 --> 1:55:45.040 someone were. And that was one of my fears when 1:55:45.080 --> 1:55:48.040 I did shave my head like I didn't, I didn't 1:55:48.080 --> 1:55:50.960 know what the reaction would be and I couldn't think 1:55:51.000 --> 1:55:52.640 that far ahead. But I was so scared of people 1:55:52.640 --> 1:55:55.400 making fun of me or is calling me names. So 1:55:55.560 --> 1:55:57.680 I definitely definitely struck a nerve for me because I 1:55:57.720 --> 1:56:01.680 think women's suffering with that condition. Um, it's not funny 1:56:02.240 --> 1:56:05.480 if you yeah, no, no, I think there's a lot 1:56:05.880 --> 1:56:07.840 to the story. I mean, we're all speculating, but I 1:56:07.880 --> 1:56:10.920 think there was a history with them and the oscars. 1:56:11.240 --> 1:56:13.280 So I don't know. I mean I saw this morning 1:56:13.280 --> 1:56:16.160 that her her reaction to the slap. After the slap, 1:56:16.240 --> 1:56:19.040 she sort of smiled. I mean, we don't know, but 1:56:19.160 --> 1:56:21.600 I know for me personally, definitely a joke about a 1:56:21.600 --> 1:56:24.160 woman's hair loss is not is not funny. How have 1:56:24.200 --> 1:56:26.040 you been doing mentally? Because we talk about a lot 1:56:26.040 --> 1:56:27.920 of the things, right, we talk about your husband at 1:56:28.280 --> 1:56:31.240 tickets life and the hair loss and everything that you've 1:56:31.240 --> 1:56:33.200 been going to. How have you been doing and how 1:56:33.200 --> 1:56:36.040 have you been coping? Well? Now, I mean now I'm 1:56:36.120 --> 1:56:38.840 literally in the happiest place in my entire life, which 1:56:38.840 --> 1:56:40.760 says a lot because I've been a really happy person. 1:56:40.800 --> 1:56:45.120 I've had a blessed you know, abundant life and career. Um, 1:56:45.240 --> 1:56:47.240 my kids are great. I mean that's really the start. 1:56:47.280 --> 1:56:49.640 It's like you're only as happy as your least happy child. 1:56:49.640 --> 1:56:52.040 And both my kids and my four step children are 1:56:52.080 --> 1:56:55.240 all great right now. And my my new husband is 1:56:55.280 --> 1:56:56.960 just a dream. So I you know, I feel like 1:56:56.960 --> 1:56:59.360 I've been given a second lease on life, you know, 1:56:59.400 --> 1:57:03.720 after losing Christian. I mean I never thought I could 1:57:03.720 --> 1:57:05.200 be as low as that. I mean that the level 1:57:05.240 --> 1:57:09.080 of despair I had to be literally physically picked up 1:57:09.120 --> 1:57:11.400 off the floor. And I remember, I mean this was 1:57:11.480 --> 1:57:13.720 just five years ago. I would force myself. I had 1:57:13.760 --> 1:57:16.520 a dog, and I would force myself to walk outside 1:57:16.560 --> 1:57:19.320 at the beach and smile at the sun and find gratitude, 1:57:19.360 --> 1:57:21.320 find something to be grateful for. And I you know, 1:57:22.360 --> 1:57:24.480 there were dark, dark days. I never thought I'd be 1:57:24.480 --> 1:57:28.000 in a place of peace and happiness. And I really am, 1:57:28.160 --> 1:57:31.160 like I just like I said when we first started, 1:57:31.240 --> 1:57:33.000 it's like I feel like I'm the best me that 1:57:33.080 --> 1:57:35.960 I've ever been. I really know myself, I really love myself. 1:57:36.400 --> 1:57:39.280 I've you know, through this journey of shaving my head, 1:57:39.320 --> 1:57:43.240 and that was a badass move and I came out 1:57:43.280 --> 1:57:45.360 of it. Okay, you know, so, like all of it 1:57:45.400 --> 1:57:48.400 is a journey. I'm fifty three, and I guess when 1:57:48.400 --> 1:57:50.160 you turn fifty you kind of get a sense of 1:57:50.160 --> 1:57:52.720 who you who you are, and also you don't care 1:57:52.760 --> 1:57:54.920 what people think as much. Yeah, I don't really care 1:57:55.240 --> 1:57:57.000 what people think of me. I know my side of 1:57:57.040 --> 1:57:59.120 the street is clean. I'm a good person and I 1:57:59.160 --> 1:58:01.560 appreciate every day. So to answer your question, I'm great, 1:58:01.760 --> 1:58:07.160 how do how does one allowed himselves the love again 1:58:07.160 --> 1:58:10.880 and be loved after something like that. I've always felt 1:58:10.880 --> 1:58:13.640 that I've been like deserving of love, you know. I 1:58:13.640 --> 1:58:18.000 think I chose partners um that either were physically a 1:58:18.040 --> 1:58:20.480 certain way so I felt better about myself. I chose 1:58:20.520 --> 1:58:23.360 partners that needed me that so I saw my value 1:58:23.360 --> 1:58:26.360 in that they needed fixing or they needed taken care of. 1:58:26.400 --> 1:58:28.760 I mean, this is the first time in my entire life, 1:58:28.760 --> 1:58:31.280 and I've had many this my third marriage where I'm 1:58:31.320 --> 1:58:34.280 with someone who's my equal, who brings as much to 1:58:34.320 --> 1:58:37.040 the to the to the relationship as I bring. And 1:58:37.720 --> 1:58:40.520 that I think comes down to like self self worth 1:58:40.520 --> 1:58:43.200 and self love. There was there any guilt, because I'm 1:58:43.200 --> 1:58:45.600 sure people will say to you, oh, five years, that 1:58:45.680 --> 1:58:47.960 wasn't long with who would they to say that, Oh yeah, 1:58:48.560 --> 1:58:50.280 it was a long five years. It was a long 1:58:50.320 --> 1:58:52.240 five years. And I don't care what anybody has to say, 1:58:52.320 --> 1:58:58.080 Like I I and I continue to honor this, this 1:58:58.120 --> 1:59:00.320 man that I lost, I mean, he was he was 1:59:00.760 --> 1:59:03.240 my greatest teacher to this day, he's my greatest teacher. 1:59:03.280 --> 1:59:06.560 Christian Evans was so special and so ill and I 1:59:06.560 --> 1:59:08.880 didn't even know what bipolar was when when I got 1:59:08.880 --> 1:59:10.800 with him. I'd never experienced it. I you know, he 1:59:10.880 --> 1:59:12.680 told me when we met. He's like, oh, I was 1:59:12.720 --> 1:59:14.320 diagnosed by polar and I was like, oh yeah, and 1:59:14.360 --> 1:59:16.080 I'm a control freak. We all have our things, you know. 1:59:16.160 --> 1:59:20.080 I didn't understand what a manic episode was. And so 1:59:20.160 --> 1:59:24.520 you know, with Kanye, I mean like I really, I really, 1:59:24.560 --> 1:59:28.160 I just I just know that to be the loved 1:59:28.160 --> 1:59:32.720 one going through that and you know, losing Christian the 1:59:32.720 --> 1:59:34.800 way I did. I mean, for me, the trauma was 1:59:34.880 --> 1:59:39.360 the episode, the first episode versus the suicide, because seeing 1:59:39.400 --> 1:59:42.720 your loved one change on a dime and become so 1:59:42.800 --> 1:59:46.720 destructive and so like just someone I didn't recognize. But 1:59:46.920 --> 1:59:48.440 you know, I've done a lot of work in these 1:59:48.480 --> 1:59:53.240 five years. And I think also with Ross my my husband. Now, 1:59:53.320 --> 1:59:55.320 I mean it's like I deserve him, you know, it's 1:59:55.360 --> 1:59:58.920 really like I know my value and I I really 1:59:58.960 --> 2:00:01.400 just I called him in, you know, I manifested him 2:00:01.960 --> 2:00:05.240 and I you know, just just I yeah, I relish 2:00:05.400 --> 2:00:07.600 this time in my life, in this relationship you've lived. 2:00:07.840 --> 2:00:10.400 You've lived all the big pop culture stories of the 2:00:10.440 --> 2:00:16.440 pastor like literally I have. I mean, it's all so 2:00:16.800 --> 2:00:19.839 sort of it resonates, you know, I mean the oscars, 2:00:19.840 --> 2:00:21.520 Like you know, I was going on Monday, I did 2:00:21.520 --> 2:00:23.960 a promotional for this hair company that I've been working with, 2:00:24.160 --> 2:00:26.280 and there's the night before that that happened with the joke. 2:00:26.400 --> 2:00:28.280 You know, it's just yeah, it feels like my life. 2:00:28.360 --> 2:00:30.880 My life is a movie. It really, it really is 2:00:31.040 --> 2:00:33.880 so true. You have lived them all. And also you know, 2:00:33.960 --> 2:00:36.520 she she speaks about them like she's gone to give 2:00:36.560 --> 2:00:39.920 talks on mental health and yes, and I think that 2:00:39.920 --> 2:00:44.240 that's um, you know, it's I think just being a 2:00:44.280 --> 2:00:47.920 witness to what she went through with Christian. You know, 2:00:48.440 --> 2:00:53.040 that kind of bipolarity. It is so tricky. It is 2:00:53.080 --> 2:00:56.680 so tricky because it doesn't present as an illness like 2:00:57.040 --> 2:01:00.520 it sometimes presents first as if the persons actually do great, 2:01:00.880 --> 2:01:05.600 because you don't realize that they're ascending toward that that mania, 2:01:05.720 --> 2:01:08.640 you know. So it's it's you can't intervene, you can't 2:01:08.640 --> 2:01:11.000 tell somebody, oh I think you're a little you know, 2:01:11.640 --> 2:01:15.000 it's it's it was. It was an impossible situation. It 2:01:15.080 --> 2:01:18.880 was like you guys did everything, tried everything, therapy, drugs. 2:01:19.080 --> 2:01:22.280 I mean, I just that's what's super frustrating to everybody 2:01:22.360 --> 2:01:25.280 dealing with the resources to have the money. And I 2:01:25.320 --> 2:01:27.440 tried to save him. I saved him twice and I 2:01:27.440 --> 2:01:31.600 couldn't save him a third time. And you know, yeah, 2:01:30.880 --> 2:01:33.760 I'm the fixer, you know, I'm someone that like really 2:01:33.800 --> 2:01:37.080 does like like you know, create like you know, and 2:01:37.120 --> 2:01:39.360 I couldn't And it was really really hard to come 2:01:39.400 --> 2:01:41.040 to terms with that. I'd love to hear some of 2:01:41.040 --> 2:01:43.840 those practices you talked about. You know, I'm big on 2:01:43.880 --> 2:01:46.120 mental health and mindfulness. And I heard you say you 2:01:46.560 --> 2:01:48.760 you manifested you know Ross, Like, what are some of 2:01:48.840 --> 2:01:50.680 the things you do on a daily I mean, I 2:01:50.720 --> 2:01:52.560 know on a daily I was going to mention ayahuasca. 2:01:52.680 --> 2:01:54.160 Do you not do that on the daily? I want to. 2:01:54.320 --> 2:01:56.120 I can't not on a daily but I can't wait 2:01:56.120 --> 2:01:57.280 to do it. It's calling me. They they they don't do 2:01:57.400 --> 2:01:59.600 until it's calling you, exactly. It has to be a calling. 2:01:59.640 --> 2:02:00.920 And the time I did it, I did it with 2:02:01.000 --> 2:02:02.840 Christian and I did it because he was doing it 2:02:02.840 --> 2:02:04.040 and I didn't want him to do it without me. 2:02:04.240 --> 2:02:05.480 That is not the reason to do it. And it 2:02:05.520 --> 2:02:08.000 was a horrible experience. But I've done it now about 2:02:08.040 --> 2:02:10.760 fourteen times over a period of last ten years, and 2:02:13.120 --> 2:02:17.080 don't know, well, it's it's a it's awful. It's going 2:02:17.080 --> 2:02:19.919 to hell and back. It's literally going to the darkest, 2:02:20.200 --> 2:02:23.120 darkest I mean, oh my gosh. And every time it 2:02:23.080 --> 2:02:25.080 has been so different. I did it back at Abiza, 2:02:25.120 --> 2:02:26.720 I did it, did it in northern California, I did 2:02:26.760 --> 2:02:29.360 into Panga. I've done it all over and you know, 2:02:29.440 --> 2:02:31.600 my my mostly my intention. You have to send an intention, 2:02:32.000 --> 2:02:34.280 and my intention to do it was letting go and 2:02:34.480 --> 2:02:37.200 and and I did it once after Christian passed twice 2:02:37.240 --> 2:02:40.680 after Christian passed away. And you get these messages, you 2:02:40.720 --> 2:02:43.520 get these downloads, and you you see God, I mean 2:02:43.560 --> 2:02:46.959 you you see God. It is one time in particular 2:02:47.040 --> 2:02:49.040 that that I was with Christian. I was up in 2:02:49.040 --> 2:02:51.680 northern California under the redwoods, and we were outside. It 2:02:51.680 --> 2:02:52.880 was during the day. It was the only time I 2:02:52.880 --> 2:02:56.160 ever did it in daylight, and I remember just being 2:02:56.240 --> 2:03:00.040 on the ground like praying, rent bowing and and I 2:03:00.040 --> 2:03:03.880 could literally see and feel the Earth's heartbeat in my 2:03:03.960 --> 2:03:07.640 hands pulsating and it. Oh you got, I mean, I 2:03:07.680 --> 2:03:10.760 have just just talking about it brings you back. I mean, 2:03:10.800 --> 2:03:12.760 it's it's medicine. They say you do ten years of 2:03:12.760 --> 2:03:15.680 therapy in one night of ayahuasca, and I think that's 2:03:15.720 --> 2:03:18.320 remember the plant. That was the time the plant told 2:03:18.320 --> 2:03:20.360 you let him go. Yes, I'd have to let him go. 2:03:20.480 --> 2:03:21.840 You have to let him go. I mean I've had 2:03:21.880 --> 2:03:24.240 so Yeah, it's been I mean, I'm not called to 2:03:24.280 --> 2:03:26.480 do it again right now, but I certainly it's it's 2:03:26.680 --> 2:03:30.160 very powerful medicine. I've also done combo. I've done that twice. 2:03:30.320 --> 2:03:33.080 I've done I mean, I'm like a secret combo is 2:03:33.400 --> 2:03:36.960 the frog poison. No, it's not the five m Ao 2:03:37.040 --> 2:03:39.320 d MT. It's what they burn your skin, that the 2:03:39.360 --> 2:03:41.000 top lay of your skin, and they put the medicine 2:03:41.000 --> 2:03:44.440 in and it does a scan. It's supposedly be the 2:03:44.560 --> 2:03:48.640 strongest natural antibiotic and it can heal you from so 2:03:48.680 --> 2:03:50.640 many different ailments. So I've done. I mean, I'm like 2:03:50.680 --> 2:03:55.320 a seeker. I'm I'm curious and I'm always up for growth. 2:03:55.440 --> 2:03:57.400 So I'm trying to think of the other things I've done. 2:03:57.600 --> 2:04:00.320 But if I oh, Burning Man, I started going to 2:04:00.320 --> 2:04:04.960 Burnie what's burning Man? But you're Burnie Man Fields like 2:04:04.960 --> 2:04:09.360 White Freaknick. It is for everyone. It is Bernie man Is. 2:04:10.200 --> 2:04:12.400 I can't say a festival is not a festival. It 2:04:12.520 --> 2:04:15.400 is a city, the huge place over a week. You 2:04:15.440 --> 2:04:18.320 have never heard of burning. I have all my friends 2:04:19.200 --> 2:04:21.280 to burn the best place in the world. I'm going 2:04:21.280 --> 2:04:26.080 I'm bringing. Oh my goodness, you need to google it. 2:04:26.480 --> 2:04:32.360 My friend. It's it's I know, Bob and Bernik and yeah, 2:04:32.360 --> 2:04:35.480 I mean, it's it's. It's It's a place where you 2:04:35.520 --> 2:04:37.839 go and you are in that moment. You are present, 2:04:37.920 --> 2:04:40.680 you are free, you engage with people. It's a it's 2:04:40.680 --> 2:04:43.160 a city. There's no exchange of currency or anything. You 2:04:43.200 --> 2:04:46.560 bring gifts, but you give gifts um and you don't 2:04:46.640 --> 2:04:49.040 do it for anything other than giving you. You know, 2:04:49.160 --> 2:04:52.880 it's people are are at their highest vibe at Burnie 2:04:52.880 --> 2:04:55.280 Man but it's a place where they call drugs medicines. 2:04:55.560 --> 2:04:59.800 That's all you need to know. You do, you do not. 2:05:00.400 --> 2:05:02.440 They have AA meetings on the player. You do not 2:05:02.560 --> 2:05:04.320 have to do anything you don't want to do. But 2:05:04.400 --> 2:05:07.160 it's like magic happens on the play aff I don't know. 2:05:07.200 --> 2:05:09.360 I guess I'm sounding too. I'm gonna go one day. 2:05:09.360 --> 2:05:11.600 My homie Andrew Showld goals all the time. He was like, 2:05:11.600 --> 2:05:12.840 you got to call me to burn a man when 2:05:13.160 --> 2:05:15.040 I'm gonna go on. If you're called to do it, 2:05:15.080 --> 2:05:19.920 I urge you to go. Haven't been play. I'm let 2:05:19.960 --> 2:05:21.920 me just tell you the PLA has a lot more fun. Yeah, 2:05:22.160 --> 2:05:25.200 I know the PLI is burning man. They call it 2:05:25.240 --> 2:05:28.840 that the desert the land. Yeah, you did twelve seasons 2:05:28.840 --> 2:05:31.360 at a Rickey Lake, well eleven, and then I went 2:05:31.400 --> 2:05:34.080 back and did a new version of the show that 2:05:34.160 --> 2:05:36.240 only ran for one year. But I won the Emmy 2:05:36.360 --> 2:05:38.400 that year, and you said you walked away from it. 2:05:38.800 --> 2:05:41.240 I did the first show. I just couldn't renew. Yeah, 2:05:41.280 --> 2:05:43.480 I mean it kind of run its course. Nine to 2:05:43.480 --> 2:05:45.880 eleven had happened. I just I wanted to get out 2:05:45.880 --> 2:05:48.280 of New York. I was going through a divorce. I mean, 2:05:48.280 --> 2:05:50.040 it just it just kind of fell apart. I mean, 2:05:50.160 --> 2:05:52.120 you know, Maury just ended his show. I mean I 2:05:52.160 --> 2:05:53.960 feel like I could have had a run like that. 2:05:55.320 --> 2:05:58.720 I'm personnel. No no, no, no no. I love Maury, 2:05:58.800 --> 2:06:00.800 but I I yeah, eleven years was enough for the 2:06:00.800 --> 2:06:02.960 first show. The second show, I wanted to do more 2:06:03.000 --> 2:06:05.680 of a Donnie Who type show, and that was my concept. 2:06:05.680 --> 2:06:08.440 I wanted to be the elevated content, more provocative and 2:06:08.440 --> 2:06:10.480 thought provoking. And it didn't turn out to be that. Well. 2:06:10.640 --> 2:06:13.160 Difference between the first run in the second run, say 2:06:13.480 --> 2:06:15.480 you want to end one was successful. I don't know 2:06:15.880 --> 2:06:18.200 the first one. I mean, I think the timing of 2:06:18.200 --> 2:06:20.280 the first one and being in New York at that 2:06:20.360 --> 2:06:23.640 time was magic. You know. The second one, I was 2:06:23.680 --> 2:06:26.160 in bed with the wrong company. I think the executive 2:06:26.200 --> 2:06:28.080 that was in charge of my production we had different visions. 2:06:28.120 --> 2:06:30.520 You know, he wanted a different type of show than 2:06:30.560 --> 2:06:32.280 I wanted to do, and I, you know, goes back 2:06:32.320 --> 2:06:34.280 to making the business of being born with Abby. I 2:06:34.360 --> 2:06:35.800 kind of have a sense of who I am in 2:06:35.800 --> 2:06:38.440 a way that I didn't back then. And uh yeah, 2:06:38.480 --> 2:06:40.680 so it was just you know, in bed, you did 2:06:40.720 --> 2:06:43.360 some good shows though you really did. We did. We did. 2:06:43.400 --> 2:06:46.040 I actually did a show on suicide, which is so 2:06:46.280 --> 2:06:48.520 interesting because I didn't have I didn't have a his 2:06:48.920 --> 2:06:51.040 like I didn't know that at the time, but I 2:06:51.080 --> 2:06:52.760 was called to do it and I fought so hard. 2:06:52.800 --> 2:06:54.360 He said it was never gonna rate. It was never 2:06:54.400 --> 2:06:56.280 gonna and I felt like we needed to do it, 2:06:56.360 --> 2:06:58.680 and it was one of the shows I'm really proud of. 2:06:59.600 --> 2:07:02.920 How difficult is it for any person to have a 2:07:02.920 --> 2:07:06.040 successful daytime talk show, Oh my god, I think it's 2:07:06.120 --> 2:07:08.000 near impossible. I mean, in the time that I did 2:07:08.000 --> 2:07:09.600 my show eleven years and we used to go to 2:07:09.600 --> 2:07:12.320 the Nappy Convention every year and there'd be you know, 2:07:12.360 --> 2:07:14.480 a dozen half a dozen news shows come and go 2:07:14.680 --> 2:07:16.880 and they you know, they'd last for, you know, not 2:07:16.960 --> 2:07:20.680 very long. I think it's a rare talent, Like it's like, 2:07:20.760 --> 2:07:22.320 I don't think it's something that was taught to me. 2:07:22.360 --> 2:07:24.360 I think it was like a natural fit, you know, 2:07:24.480 --> 2:07:28.120 for me. It's a unique relationship I think that you 2:07:28.200 --> 2:07:31.920 have with the world more than being an actor on 2:07:31.960 --> 2:07:35.040 a TV show. I feel like because Ricky was in 2:07:35.160 --> 2:07:38.120 everybody's living room and people ran home from school at 2:07:38.120 --> 2:07:40.680 three o'clock, every day to watch Ricky Lake, watch Ricky Lake. 2:07:40.760 --> 2:07:44.040 Like literally, you know, I can see just from traveling 2:07:44.080 --> 2:07:46.280 the world with her, Like We'll be in some hotel 2:07:46.320 --> 2:07:50.400 lobby in Australia and like, you know, like ten gay 2:07:50.440 --> 2:07:52.680 men will come up to her like sobbing, you know, 2:07:52.800 --> 2:07:55.480 and say, oh my god, you validated us and you 2:07:55.480 --> 2:07:58.200 don't know what you meant, and you know what. And 2:07:58.240 --> 2:08:00.520 I think they have a different relationship with her, just 2:08:00.560 --> 2:08:02.920 because the nature of that show. It's like it's like 2:08:03.000 --> 2:08:05.600 she was the perspective of the audience, you know what 2:08:05.600 --> 2:08:07.440 I mean, Like she was she was sort of your 2:08:07.520 --> 2:08:11.800 lens into this like world of madness. So it's it's 2:08:11.880 --> 2:08:15.840 interesting to see I've never really seen um, I've never 2:08:15.880 --> 2:08:19.520 really seen anybody where it's kind of like her fans 2:08:21.040 --> 2:08:23.800 appreciate her and a like yesterday we're walking down the 2:08:23.800 --> 2:08:26.280 street and people are screaming her name down the street 2:08:26.320 --> 2:08:28.400 in New York. That's Ricky, Like I saw you on 2:08:28.440 --> 2:08:31.320 Wendy Williams this morning, Hi Ricky, Hi Ricky. Like she 2:08:31.400 --> 2:08:34.760 just feels approachable, more approachable in that way, because I 2:08:34.800 --> 2:08:38.280 think we lose sense of how many people grew up 2:08:38.320 --> 2:08:41.320 on her, like it was one of the original absolute formats. 2:08:41.560 --> 2:08:45.680 And I think the nineties celebrity actually meant something in 2:08:45.720 --> 2:08:50.600 the room. Yes, doesn't anybody You can lick the bottom 2:08:50.600 --> 2:08:53.160 of a told foot now and TikTok's about you know 2:08:53.160 --> 2:08:55.560 what I'm saying, Like, celebrity meant something in the nineties. 2:08:55.600 --> 2:08:57.680 And it feels like everyone or a lot of people 2:08:57.760 --> 2:08:59.920 have an agenda, Like it's like it's where there's cello 2:09:00.120 --> 2:09:03.320 product or push some you know, And I guess in 2:09:03.360 --> 2:09:05.360 a way, we are pushing art, but our thing is 2:09:05.400 --> 2:09:10.760 to help women, you know, Like yeah, you know, but yeah, 2:09:11.040 --> 2:09:13.760 celebrity has changed. I agree, And and just the tone 2:09:13.880 --> 2:09:16.200 that like like I don't know how you guys do it. 2:09:16.240 --> 2:09:17.880 I don't know if you ever like second guess what 2:09:17.960 --> 2:09:21.440 you're about to say for fear of like like backlash 2:09:21.640 --> 2:09:24.680 or something. But I feel like I was able to say, 2:09:25.120 --> 2:09:27.760 you know, I didn't have to like censor myself before 2:09:27.800 --> 2:09:30.520 I say it, and can Yeah, we've been canceled a 2:09:30.560 --> 2:09:32.520 million times. I mean we've been doing it for twelve years, 2:09:32.560 --> 2:09:35.240 so things have changed over has it shifted in these 2:09:35.280 --> 2:09:38.480 twelve years. So it's things that they try to go 2:09:38.640 --> 2:09:43.320 back and cancel us for. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's 2:09:43.360 --> 2:09:45.840 just that's the way it's part to me. Yeah, because 2:09:45.880 --> 2:09:48.960 nobody wants to have the conversation about how culture shifted. Yeah, 2:09:49.080 --> 2:09:51.000 it's kind of hard to hold people accountable for things 2:09:51.040 --> 2:09:54.720 they said, yeah in public forums ten years ago, fifteen 2:09:54.800 --> 2:09:57.840 years ago culture exactly. I felt like that last night 2:09:57.920 --> 2:10:00.240 when we watch both our movies back to back back, 2:10:00.320 --> 2:10:02.560 you know, and we're watching this movie we made fourteen 2:10:02.640 --> 2:10:05.240 years ago, and I'm a little nervous watching it, you know, 2:10:05.480 --> 2:10:07.560 just for that reason, because you're sitting there like, oh, 2:10:07.960 --> 2:10:09.880 did we have enough people of color in the movie? 2:10:10.240 --> 2:10:12.640 Oh god, we just said something about Britney spears in 2:10:12.720 --> 2:10:15.040 the movie. Little you know, things that like today might 2:10:15.120 --> 2:10:17.880 not fly. You know. I was gonna ask. We always 2:10:17.880 --> 2:10:20.080 talk about the Mount Rushmore of things, route much more 2:10:20.200 --> 2:10:23.600 Mount Rushmore of comedians. What should Mount Rushmore of talk 2:10:23.640 --> 2:10:27.520 show hosts? Okay, Oprah for sure, Oprah, Donna Hue. I 2:10:27.680 --> 2:10:31.560 loved Donnie back in the day. I loved Darcineo. I 2:10:31.600 --> 2:10:36.600 watched him. Oh can we do Late Night too? Can talk? Oh? Sorry, okay, okay, daytime? 2:10:36.960 --> 2:10:38.520 Let me think. Oh my god, throw some names at 2:10:38.560 --> 2:10:39.760 me and I'll tell you what I think of him 2:10:40.160 --> 2:10:44.720 um oprah Don was a good start. Yeah, I mean 2:10:44.880 --> 2:10:51.400 Sally Sally um oh. Monte Montell is a good guy 2:10:51.480 --> 2:10:54.880 to show with him. Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's more, 2:10:55.000 --> 2:10:57.560 There's more of what I'm like. There were so many. 2:10:57.840 --> 2:11:00.800 Come on, you just did that reunion on Tamarin. Who 2:11:00.960 --> 2:11:03.560 was there? Oh that was Rolando was there and Montell 2:11:03.720 --> 2:11:05.920 was there. Yeah when Tamara Tamara was up here like 2:11:06.120 --> 2:11:08.120 last week and she said your name and Rolanda And 2:11:08.160 --> 2:11:10.400 I was like, I mean, you know quote I didn't. 2:11:10.480 --> 2:11:12.440 I didn't think of Rolando, hadn't heard the name in 2:11:12.440 --> 2:11:15.640 a wild I liked. I mean, Tempest bled Zoe had 2:11:15.680 --> 2:11:18.240 a show, Carney Wilson had a show. I mean, yeah, 2:11:18.280 --> 2:11:21.360 everyone successful. No, I don't think so. I think they 2:11:21.440 --> 2:11:25.160 only ran for a year. Queen Latina, Yeah, I mean 2:11:25.440 --> 2:11:27.640 yesterday I went and did the Wendy Williams Show without 2:11:27.680 --> 2:11:30.640 Wendy Williams. But it was in my old studio, so 2:11:30.800 --> 2:11:33.400 like I hadn't been back there in like fifteen years, 2:11:33.480 --> 2:11:36.920 sixteen years or something like that. I think Montell's old studio. Yeah. Uh, 2:11:37.200 --> 2:11:40.360 Monte Maury was there too, the twenty six Street studios. 2:11:40.440 --> 2:11:42.640 But yeah, it's all just like it just feels like 2:11:42.680 --> 2:11:45.200 these chapters in my life. And now with this new podcast, 2:11:45.240 --> 2:11:47.120 I'm gonna do. I get to go back, right, I 2:11:47.160 --> 2:11:49.000 think it'll be good. Yeah, I wonder what the Raised 2:11:49.040 --> 2:11:51.720 by Ricky podcast? What did he make you miss most 2:11:51.800 --> 2:12:03.000 about doing the Ricky Lakes Show? The money money, so, 2:12:03.720 --> 2:12:05.800 I mean it was funny money. I didn't even like 2:12:05.880 --> 2:12:08.600 like getting a bonus of a half million dollars. Come on, 2:12:09.320 --> 2:12:11.880 come on, it's like the budget of our entire documentary. 2:12:12.440 --> 2:12:17.680 It was just it was crazy. I'm okay, yes, I'm 2:12:17.920 --> 2:12:22.320 I'm just fine, thank you, But believe me. Crypto crypto, 2:12:23.880 --> 2:12:26.360 but that's not crazy. I don't think I got in 2:12:26.640 --> 2:12:30.000 I relatively early twenty seventeen. You got an early early 2:12:30.680 --> 2:12:34.360 super well, Mamma went big. You know, my guy calls 2:12:34.440 --> 2:12:38.480 me his you know bitcoin wife, you know, counting my bitcoin. 2:12:38.840 --> 2:12:41.360 No like a nine cow, it's a it's a My 2:12:41.480 --> 2:12:44.400 guy was an it was an ex devout Mormon, so 2:12:44.960 --> 2:12:48.720 he brings up these these Mormons. Anyway, anyway, it's you Will. 2:12:50.160 --> 2:12:53.000 I did, okay, I did not do like like I 2:12:53.080 --> 2:12:56.280 love Rosie O'donnald too. Rosie's a great, great, great friend 2:12:56.280 --> 2:12:58.760 of mine and a great talk show host. Um, yeah, 2:12:58.880 --> 2:13:01.000 I don't have like the money that these other people have. 2:13:01.080 --> 2:13:03.520 But I'm also I saw Jim Carrey did an interview yesterday. 2:13:03.520 --> 2:13:06.000 He's retiring. He's like and he said he has enough. 2:13:06.160 --> 2:13:08.640 And that's how I feel. I don't come from a 2:13:08.680 --> 2:13:10.120 place of the work I do is not about the 2:13:10.160 --> 2:13:13.520 money I make now, it's really about putting out good work. Well, 2:13:13.560 --> 2:13:15.840 we appreciate you guys for joining us. Thank you so much. Well, 2:13:15.840 --> 2:13:18.400 I do want to ask one more question that two more. 2:13:18.480 --> 2:13:19.920 Do talk show host reach out to you to get 2:13:19.960 --> 2:13:22.760 tips now? And if they did, I'll tell you. Rosie 2:13:22.840 --> 2:13:25.120 and Ellen both called me before they went and did 2:13:25.160 --> 2:13:27.280 their shows because they wanted to know what the schedule 2:13:27.400 --> 2:13:31.400 was like, how it worked. Um, not late like no, 2:13:31.640 --> 2:13:33.720 not of late. I've been off the air. I haven't 2:13:33.760 --> 2:13:36.280 done my show in so long. But but I feel 2:13:36.280 --> 2:13:38.960 like I do have some good pointers, and I would 2:13:39.000 --> 2:13:40.480 say the main thing is to be a good listener. 2:13:41.440 --> 2:13:44.760 That's you know, I think that's what I was best at, 2:13:44.960 --> 2:13:46.400 is reacting to what I was seeing. You know, I 2:13:46.440 --> 2:13:49.040 didn't wear an IFB and that's something they fought me 2:13:49.120 --> 2:13:51.120 on every year. They just wanted, you know, the control 2:13:51.240 --> 2:13:53.160 room and the priests wanted to have access to me, 2:13:53.600 --> 2:13:55.600 and I didn't want to add anyone ever putting anything 2:13:55.680 --> 2:13:57.800 in my mouth, you know. So I would have Q 2:13:57.960 --> 2:14:00.120 cards if they needed me, but I refused to have 2:14:00.160 --> 2:14:02.080 an IFP. So I just I just love that, Yes, 2:14:02.200 --> 2:14:03.960 that show. Back then, I didn't really know who I was, 2:14:04.480 --> 2:14:07.320 but um, but I was in the moment and present 2:14:07.440 --> 2:14:09.400 and tried to be kind and tried to have some 2:14:09.520 --> 2:14:12.920 fun and do some good. Quite a taste for water. Yeah, 2:14:15.040 --> 2:14:19.800 how does Ricky Lake want to be remembered? My goodness? 2:14:19.960 --> 2:14:27.680 Um has a good time. I'm a good time I 2:14:27.840 --> 2:14:34.000 am when Yeah, I mean want you know, I want 2:14:34.040 --> 2:14:38.360 my legacy, Like it makes me happiest when people recognize 2:14:38.400 --> 2:14:39.760 me and know my work from the work I do 2:14:39.840 --> 2:14:42.520 with Abby, the Business of Being Born. These documentaries I 2:14:42.600 --> 2:14:44.720 believe are changing the world, making the world a better place, 2:14:44.800 --> 2:14:47.400 and they're the most personal projects and they take a 2:14:47.480 --> 2:14:48.840 lot of work, a lot of effort. And I'm really 2:14:48.880 --> 2:14:51.960 proud of you. You have shifted some culture. Who we 2:14:52.120 --> 2:14:55.960 have we have. Thank you so much, Thank you so much. 2:14:56.000 --> 2:14:59.200 What can the documentaries be seeing? Yes, we're streaming. You 2:14:59.280 --> 2:15:01.720 can pre order now at the Business of Birth Control 2:15:01.800 --> 2:15:04.360 dot com. We're self releasing it, so I don't have 2:15:04.400 --> 2:15:06.720 a big studio behind us. You just go to the 2:15:06.760 --> 2:15:09.000 Business of Birthcontrol dot com and it's going to be 2:15:09.120 --> 2:15:12.080 streaming April Lafe and the Ricky Lake Raids by Ricky 2:15:12.320 --> 2:15:15.760 podcast starting October twenty twenty two, available everywhere you listen 2:15:15.760 --> 2:15:18.840 to podcast. Yeah, exactly. All right, Well, thank you Breakfast Club, 2:15:18.920 --> 2:15:22.120 thank you Ricky Lake, thank you having your morning. Everybody 2:15:22.240 --> 2:15:25.680 is DJ Envy, angela Ye, Charlomagne, the Dad, we are 2:15:25.760 --> 2:15:28.240 the Breakfast Club. You got a positive note for the people. 2:15:28.480 --> 2:15:31.120 My positive note comes from mister Don Miguel Ruise, who 2:15:31.160 --> 2:15:33.640 I love. He's an author I love, author to Four Agreements, 2:15:33.840 --> 2:15:37.360 Fifth Agreements, Mastery of Self, a bunch of great titles. 2:15:37.600 --> 2:15:39.800 But he has a quote where he says, deaf is 2:15:39.840 --> 2:15:42.320 not the biggest fear we have. Our biggest fear is 2:15:42.360 --> 2:15:44.720 taking the risk to be alive, the risk to be 2:15:44.800 --> 2:15:49.080 alive and express what we really are. Go live today, people, 2:15:49.360 --> 2:15:52.000 Breakfast Club is finish it. Y'alld up.