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Speaker 1: getting off your chests? Yeah, I ain't got nothing to
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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Your morning's will never be the same morning.
Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We
Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
Speaker 1: the building, yes, indeed from Bell and we have Jabari Banks. Well,
Speaker 1: you're what's going on? How are you feeling, my brother?
Speaker 1: I'm great man how y'all man Less Black and Holly Favor. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Blessed to be here, blessed to be with y'all. This
Speaker 1: is incredible, that's right. Congratul on the successive bell As
Speaker 1: thus far. Did you feel a lot of pressure having
Speaker 1: to play such an iconic, iconic role, Yeah, definitely, definitely
Speaker 1: the pressure. But you know, many talks with Will, many
Speaker 1: talks with Morten Cooper, our creator, and you know, they
Speaker 1: just reminded me to just be be me, you know,
Speaker 1: bring myself to the role. And you know, it's exactly
Speaker 1: what Will was doing when he was being the fresh
Speaker 1: friends in the nineties, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 1: was trying to be nobody else. That's what I had
Speaker 1: to do. How did you get into acting? I got
Speaker 1: into acting in high school and I sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just like dollying around. And then I went
Speaker 1: to college for it because my mom needed me to
Speaker 1: go to college, and I was like, I'll go to
Speaker 1: college for acting. And then I'm from Philly and I
Speaker 1: from Maryland. Yeah, and uh West Philadelphia boy and race. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I live I lived in West Philly
Speaker 1: with my uncle Phil. His name is James. Listen, listen.
Speaker 1: His name is James James Brogan, right, Okay, but we
Speaker 1: called him Phil because he lived in Philly and I
Speaker 1: lived with him for a long time, and so that's
Speaker 1: why you know, Uncle Phil's real name was James James.
Speaker 1: A lot of instances within the show, not just me,
Speaker 1: with everybody in the cast, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that kind of like intertwined them with the story. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to school in Philly at University of the Arts,
Speaker 1: and then I fell in love with it. Then, so
Speaker 1: did you tell people that story like growing up being
Speaker 1: from Philly and having an uncle named No, it didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't make sense. I mean, it didn't look a register,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I wasn't really tripping
Speaker 1: off of it until every thing clicked and then it
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, like every part of my life
Speaker 1: has sort of led up to this. You know why
Speaker 1: you were a fresh Prince fan? I'm assuming Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, now, according to the Philly Voice dot com,
Speaker 1: the director, Morgan Cooper Heat had a twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: dollar budget to do a feature film teaser for bell
Speaker 1: Air with with different actors. So how did that turn
Speaker 1: into this is gonna be a show. Well, so basically,
Speaker 1: you know, Morgan put the trailer out, you know, just
Speaker 1: out of love and out of a pure place, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He was just like, I love
Speaker 1: the Fresh Friends, I want to see this, I want
Speaker 1: to tell the story that I want to tell, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he just he took that and he put it
Speaker 1: on YouTube. And I think within the first day Will's company, Westbrook,
Speaker 1: they hit him up and you know, they were like,
Speaker 1: we want to, you know, talk with you and develop
Speaker 1: this thing. And you know, I think a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks after that, he was sitting with Will and he
Speaker 1: was talking about, you know, where we want to take
Speaker 1: this story and uh, you know, years down the line
Speaker 1: here we are totally different tone though totally different tones.
Speaker 1: Break that down. Break down if people haven't seen this show,
Speaker 1: the differences between what we seen as a kid fresh
Speaker 1: prince of bel Air. Yeah, well, you know, bel Lair
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two version is a dramatic retelling of the
Speaker 1: Fresh Prince of bel Lair, the quintessential nineties sitcom, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's all the characters that we know and love,
Speaker 1: but basically we get to dive deep into who they
Speaker 1: are and the actual stories that are going on in
Speaker 1: their lives, and uh, you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: modern day retelling of the Fresh Prince of bel Air basically,
Speaker 1: and um, and when you think of the story, you know,
Speaker 1: our our showrunner TJ. Brady, he said it perfectly. He
Speaker 1: was like, we all know the story of the Joker,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But when we see jan
Speaker 1: Kie Phoenix do what he was doing, it was like,
Speaker 1: did you really think about it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so like we get to see the story, we
Speaker 1: get to see how Will ends up in bell Lair,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be super exciting for like old fans
Speaker 1: and new fans and man, it's it's been crazy to
Speaker 1: love around the project. Did you were you afraid to
Speaker 1: turn something that? I guess what's so happy? So I
Speaker 1: would call it bright. I'll call Fresh Prince of bel
Speaker 1: Air bright? Would you were you afraid to turn something
Speaker 1: like that? Dark? Nah? I wasn't afraid of it, um
Speaker 1: because when I had seen Milk Morgan's trailer, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, and I'm I was
Speaker 1: like watch that, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's important because it's a
Speaker 1: reflection of our world, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's it's important to see that.
Speaker 1: How hands on was Will Smith during the taping and
Speaker 1: all that, I always say that it was it was
Speaker 1: great that he wasn't because he really gave us. He
Speaker 1: really left the our retelling and our creation of these
Speaker 1: characters to our own volition, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And so that allowed us to create these, you know,
Speaker 1: characters that ourselves are in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He didn't have this thumb on it, hella, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so I feel like that's what
Speaker 1: I appreciated about him. But you know, he definitely gave
Speaker 1: us a lot of tips. What about the other characters,
Speaker 1: Carlton and all of any of them coming on and
Speaker 1: said or yeah, we have to, we have to. We
Speaker 1: had a few talks with the original cast, so it
Speaker 1: was definitely a blessing to to get their blessing them
Speaker 1: to see that that torch passed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I always wonder to you know, if and I would
Speaker 1: love to add world is but maybe he told you.
Speaker 1: I wonder what he had played that character differently now
Speaker 1: because you know, oh he's older now and he always
Speaker 1: said that back then he was he would pretending to
Speaker 1: be somebody he wasn't, right. I wonder what he played
Speaker 1: that approach that character different? Definitely. Yeah, I feel you know,
Speaker 1: like when he when he was, you know, doing the
Speaker 1: Fresh Friends thing, he had no acting shops at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and so he was just
Speaker 1: kind of up there just trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: And uh, I definitely think knowing what he knows now,
Speaker 1: it definitely would have been different, but it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been as raw. So you got, you got acting shops,
Speaker 1: so you weren't doing what willcames, but he said Will
Speaker 1: used to be saying everybody. It was a little different
Speaker 1: for me. It was a little different for me because
Speaker 1: I was a theater actor and so this is my
Speaker 1: first time being in front of a camera, in front
Speaker 1: of a forty person you know, camera crew, and uh,
Speaker 1: and so that was definitely a learning curve for sure.
Speaker 1: How did this go to? You? Just? You know, I
Speaker 1: just sent to him my audition, you know, with I had,
Speaker 1: I had a manager, had an agent that I got
Speaker 1: through a showcase, and uh, you know, they sent me
Speaker 1: the call. They were like, Yo, there's this show called
Speaker 1: bell Air and for this character Will. And I was like,
Speaker 1: hold on Bellaire Will. And I saw the call and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, okay, I could do this. I
Speaker 1: knew it was me. I just had to prove to
Speaker 1: everybody else. But I thought that they wanted like a
Speaker 1: big name, you know what I mean. I thought that
Speaker 1: they wanted somebody who was recognizable to everybody else. And
Speaker 1: so I was like, I don't know how I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get this role, but you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: just had to surrender to the whole process. And uh.
Speaker 1: And so I sent him my call and uh and
Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of weeks down the line.
Speaker 1: What did you have to do on that first tape?
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Yeah, it was a couple It was
Speaker 1: a couple of scenes. No I have to wrap, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just uh, I just uh it was it was
Speaker 1: a couple of scenes. It was actually a scene with
Speaker 1: Lebron in it. Lebron was supposed to be in the
Speaker 1: first episode, you know it was you know, budgeting, you know, well,
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be playing with it the people
Speaker 1: you're playing ball against. No, no, no, no, he was
Speaker 1: to be at the Bellair party. Was like, Yo, that's Lebron,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I didn't seeing Lebron
Speaker 1: was in it um and I mean as as soon
Speaker 1: as I read the scenes when I first got the script,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this show has something to say.
Speaker 1: All right, we have more with Jabari Banks, he plays
Speaker 1: Will Smith in the new series Bella. We'll talk to
Speaker 1: them some morest to Breakfast Club. Good morning the Breakfast Club.
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Speaker 1: All as well? Well, don't sound like it, but I
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Speaker 1: And remember happiness is subjective, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like you know, people always want to put a dollar
Speaker 1: out the happiness or you know what you're doing in life.
Speaker 1: Whatever you're doing in life that makes you happy and
Speaker 1: you're making a living, you're successful. Hello, who's this successful
Speaker 1: and happy? There you go? Hello, who's this listen? Jasmine?
Speaker 1: Good morning, Jasmine, good morning. We'll talking about some of
Speaker 1: the fattest things you've done. I don't need to make
Speaker 1: sure this is a judge free zone zone always, so
Speaker 1: I rememb Virginia. Me and my friend put it like this.
Speaker 1: We drove from to put it in perspective, Norfolk State
Speaker 1: to VCU to get a to go to a ladies
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Speaker 1: What are you talking about? She went vibra. We have
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Speaker 1: like at the beginning of COVID. Oh, so you want
Speaker 1: to go find that food? When I want to go
Speaker 1: find that food. We drove from Norfolk State up to DCU.
Speaker 1: We couldn't even go sit down in the restaurant. We
Speaker 1: had to sit our fat hell in the Car's the
Speaker 1: food was worth it, though, absolutely not. I could have
Speaker 1: I could have made that. But listen, you had you
Speaker 1: had a great experience with your friends. It was a memory,
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Speaker 1: fresh Fresh with up man. We're talking about some real
Speaker 1: fat boy inch this morning. Man, what's the fattest thing
Speaker 1: you've done? I ain't gonna lie, bro, I'm only like
Speaker 1: one thing, but everybody who knows me can't be fat,
Speaker 1: fat spirit, fattened spirit. I ain't gonna lie like the
Speaker 1: fat the fatten thing, real bro. Everybody said I'm really
Speaker 1: like probably sick a two fish because I do everything fat. Bro.
Speaker 1: Last we got I ate some old meal because I
Speaker 1: don't want to wait on it to cool. I put
Speaker 1: it in the priest for about five minute. I don't
Speaker 1: see nothing wrong that with pizza though, Yeah you do
Speaker 1: that with Yeah, pizza be too hot. I just putting it.
Speaker 1: I putting a little fridge for about my mouth. All right,
Speaker 1: So what about this, I'm microwave my icebreak. Now, that's
Speaker 1: just that's just stupid. Now. Now I do microwave it
Speaker 1: a little bit if it's too hard. Now, when you
Speaker 1: put that spoon in there, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do
Speaker 1: that now, Mica, I do that. No, I do that
Speaker 1: because you want your eyes. I like, you gotta want
Speaker 1: it to be soft. You want that spoon to just
Speaker 1: go right through it. Yeah. I don't microwave it though.
Speaker 1: I just put it on the counter for a little while.
Speaker 1: I don't microwave it, man, I give about fifteen get there, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: well thank you? All right? All right? Man, So now
Speaker 1: y'll feel fat, y'all hungry like I am. The food
Speaker 1: is amazing, bro. The moral of the story is, you know,
Speaker 1: I think you diet is a bank account, and good
Speaker 1: food choice is a good good investment. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like y'all making good investments like I was talking about,
Speaker 1: we just random things. It sounds like there's some of
Speaker 1: y'all regular everyday die all right, to just make sure
Speaker 1: you're making uh, you know, good food choices, to make
Speaker 1: good investments, that's all. But man, food is life. Well.
Speaker 1: I love food so much, absolutely, Lord have mercy. We
Speaker 1: all fat, we all trans fat, bro, and we just
Speaker 1: need to accept it. Don't nobody really like eating healthy? No? No,
Speaker 1: healthy could be delicious, that's not true. Sure it definitely
Speaker 1: taste like yeah, I don't sure it. Take the man jest.
Speaker 1: Juices for life. Those are amazing. It's like dessert. They're good,
Speaker 1: taste good, like mangoes. Oh my god, I love a
Speaker 1: good juicy mango. If all this stuff we really love
Speaker 1: to eat was healthy, like if there was if Chrispy
Speaker 1: Cream donuts kept us alive, guess we'd be eating this
Speaker 1: morning right now for me. If Chick fil A's what
Speaker 1: gave us muscles, guess what we'd be eating this morning?
Speaker 1: Remember what I used to eat every morning to pill?
Speaker 1: And I love spinas with guylic yem all right, well
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club, Good morning, the Breakfast Club Morning. Everybody
Speaker 1: is DJ Envy Angel Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We are
Speaker 1: to Breakfast Club. We got a special guests in the
Speaker 1: building any time talk Royalty. Where'd you get that? Who
Speaker 1: wrote that? I love my mom for sending that in
Speaker 1: thank you? She listens to the Breakfast Club. Good morning, mama,
Speaker 1: good morning, was all how are you? I'm wonderful? How
Speaker 1: about yourself? And blessed black? And I love that. I
Speaker 1: am feeling the same way. Absolutely absolutely good to see you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. This is my first time in your studio.
Speaker 1: I know it's aulation overload. Yeah, we did zoom so
Speaker 1: I'm I wanted those people because it's the clean, latest thing,
Speaker 1: stories behind everything. That's right. Oh yeah, DJ and V
Speaker 1: you and your wife are going to be on my
Speaker 1: show soon. I can't wait. We're excited. I love this.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of alcohol, but you don't what oh
Speaker 1: oh oh you do have the puffy Send me a
Speaker 1: monogram vodka? I never opened it. You guys have one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think you have one too. Yeah, so yeah, if
Speaker 1: has your name on it, you know you kind of
Speaker 1: got to I guess you're not supposed to drink those.
Speaker 1: I didn't drink it. I just left it there. It's
Speaker 1: it's for a prop like y'all, but it's cute. How
Speaker 1: was it for you doing the show during a pandemic
Speaker 1: without an audience? Oh, it's terrible. It was terrible. I know.
Speaker 1: I had Seth Meyers on the show the other day
Speaker 1: and he said he enjoyed it because it allowed him
Speaker 1: to connect more with viewers in the way he didn't expect.
Speaker 1: I think the first half of it, I said, just think, God,
Speaker 1: we're on air, like we're on air because we would
Speaker 1: be canceled otherwise, so we have a chance to stay on.
Speaker 1: And then when we went back in and had to
Speaker 1: go back out this last round when Amar, I'm a journalist,
Speaker 1: and I'm a journalist, I should know better. But that
Speaker 1: second wave in December, I had to go back into
Speaker 1: my home and do the show and it was miserable
Speaker 1: and I realized, and you all know this, and Charlottage,
Speaker 1: especially with your shows, it is having an audience is
Speaker 1: It's like the team commandments. It's one of the rules
Speaker 1: of daytime. You have to have an audience. I my
Speaker 1: first time even attending a daytime talk show. I went
Speaker 1: to Temple University and I came to see Haraldo rivera
Speaker 1: wow in person, way back when he had a talk show,
Speaker 1: and it just it's a part of the energy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was rough. I did not like it. I wonder
Speaker 1: when you went to go see Haraldo back in the day,
Speaker 1: does that when the bug hit you? Did you totally
Speaker 1: not know the show? Like people throwing chairs? No, no, no.
Speaker 1: I was a college student at Temple and they, you know,
Speaker 1: they would always recruit young audiences to come in and
Speaker 1: we were here. Two of my best friends are from
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and I went to Temple, and so we just
Speaker 1: did what college kids do. You come to New York,
Speaker 1: You hang out in Times Square, You got free tickets
Speaker 1: to go to a show, and it happened to be
Speaker 1: Horaldo rivera'z. So when did you get the bug? When
Speaker 1: did you see yourself? When did I get the bug?
Speaker 1: When did I get the bug? Well? Um, I would
Speaker 1: I was born. If I if you ask me what
Speaker 1: I would be doing right now other than this, I
Speaker 1: jokingly say blackjack dealer. But I don't even have to
Speaker 1: play cards. I didn't have a well, I don't even
Speaker 1: have to play cards. I can't play spades, and I'm
Speaker 1: from the South. I'm embarrassing. I don't I am I
Speaker 1: don't know how to play dominoes. I'm an embarrassed. Can
Speaker 1: you at least I don't play board games? Went to
Speaker 1: a board game? What is it a card game? I
Speaker 1: don't play cards. I don't. I was never one of
Speaker 1: those people. I don't. I don't play monopoly. I think
Speaker 1: I do. What did y'all do in college, though, because
Speaker 1: that's a lot of good stuff. But we played spades,
Speaker 1: we played cards, not me. You didn't go to class.
Speaker 1: I did not. Not a lot of what was going
Speaker 1: on to Temple House music party. We used to hang
Speaker 1: out at Pen a lot the Pen parties and Mittenhall parties.
Speaker 1: But no, I never played cards, so I don't even
Speaker 1: know we got on that one. But yes, i'd say
Speaker 1: blackjack dealer, but no, I never had a backup plant.
Speaker 1: This was always what I wanted to do. I think
Speaker 1: early on Johnny Carson's show was something that was in
Speaker 1: the background. But I quickly realized I wasn't a white
Speaker 1: guy and named Jimmy or James, and so that Late
Speaker 1: Night World throughout my entire career was really just a
Speaker 1: white guy into our Sineo. And I think I think
Speaker 1: maybe seeing our Sineo obviously Rolanda, obviously Oprah Phil Donahue,
Speaker 1: but they all had different Do you remember Rolando Watch
Speaker 1: people forget how important she was in the marketplace. So
Speaker 1: it was there wasn't a moment. It was just I
Speaker 1: felt like I didn't have a choice. It was that
Speaker 1: I was this was what I was going to do,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know it was gonna be a talk show.
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to be a journalist. I
Speaker 1: love writing, I love reporting. The talk show thing happened,
Speaker 1: as you know, because I got fired, and so I
Speaker 1: had to figure out how as I going to get
Speaker 1: back into TV and not feel as owned as I
Speaker 1: had previously. If you hadn't have gotten fired from the
Speaker 1: Today Show, do you think you'd ever gotten into daytime talk? No,
Speaker 1: because in daytime talk any shows, you know, that's just
Speaker 1: with y'all show people. It's almost like the Rocky syndrome.
Speaker 1: People need to root for you, and in talk show world,
Speaker 1: they need to root for you, they need to feel
Speaker 1: a connection with you. And so while I did have
Speaker 1: a great run, I feel at the Today Show and
Speaker 1: even before that in Chicago for ten years because I
Speaker 1: was recruited to come to the Today's Show after being
Speaker 1: on air in Chicago. But uh no, because you have
Speaker 1: to have an arc every you know, it's it's like
Speaker 1: a superhero. You need like I had the ultimate nemesis
Speaker 1: in the person that they selected, even though I never
Speaker 1: met her and never crossed path. Whether you have that justaposition.
Speaker 1: Clearly I watch a lot of superhero things, but you
Speaker 1: have so you have a juxtaposition of a villain, You
Speaker 1: have your story, your origin story. So what was my
Speaker 1: origin stories? I got fired and as a black woman,
Speaker 1: being forty eight years old and being fired, that hit
Speaker 1: a nerve with people. What is she going to do?
Speaker 1: How does she come back? And that gave me opportunities
Speaker 1: to get in rooms. But if I'm being honest with you,
Speaker 1: and I always will be, Harvey Weinstein got me in
Speaker 1: rooms that I was never going to be able to
Speaker 1: get in. He was the most important person in Hollywood
Speaker 1: and he decided he wanted to produce a talk show
Speaker 1: with me, and so people started taking meetings to hear
Speaker 1: the pitch because of Harvey Weinstein, and then midstream, Harvey
Speaker 1: was accused of rape, and which I learned over a
Speaker 1: text message. Someone anonymously text me and said, there's an
Speaker 1: accusation of the R word, and I was like, our word?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? And then it all what happens there?
Speaker 1: Because he helped you with your career? No, he helped
Speaker 1: me get meetings. I helped me with my career, helped
Speaker 1: you get meetings. But on the other end, he's, you know,
Speaker 1: accused of sexually terrifying all to the place. So do
Speaker 1: you just step back and say, look, I'm the mind
Speaker 1: of my business. I don't know, and he's helped put
Speaker 1: me into I didn't know what to say. It was
Speaker 1: like an emotional grenade. I had never been in a
Speaker 1: room along with him. So the first part was thank
Speaker 1: god right then the second part was wait a minut
Speaker 1: due the people who came with me in a room,
Speaker 1: did they know? And is that why they didn't leave
Speaker 1: me in the room? So there were these many, many questions,
Speaker 1: and then, I'll be honest, came the moment where I
Speaker 1: was worried about my own survival and then I felt guilty.
Speaker 1: Not It wasn't that I didn't care. I would never
Speaker 1: say that, But there was a moment where you think
Speaker 1: my career, Oh my god, what happens to me? I
Speaker 1: don't have a job. Now I've been in the room
Speaker 1: with him. Now I'm tied and linked to him, and
Speaker 1: this show will never get off the ground because of
Speaker 1: the people we were pitching too were white males of
Speaker 1: his level, if you will, who were not necessarily open
Speaker 1: to an idea of a talk show with me black woman,
Speaker 1: because there hadn't been one, right, Wendy had the longest
Speaker 1: running talk show outside of Oprah. There've been here and there,
Speaker 1: But if you look at the long list of daytime
Speaker 1: talk shows, just largely white men and women who these
Speaker 1: syndicators believe could appeal to quote unquote mainstream. And so
Speaker 1: even though the best who had ever done it and
Speaker 1: the most successful in daytime was a black woman after
Speaker 1: you didn't have children, she knocked off all of the
Speaker 1: stereotypes of what's relatable. So now I'm linked to him,
Speaker 1: I'm worried about my own survival, I am my backup plan,
Speaker 1: I am thinking this, I'm screwed. And then I had
Speaker 1: to take a step back and say to myself, what
Speaker 1: about these women who are making these allegations? And I
Speaker 1: know just like with Bill Cosby, who spoke at my graduation,
Speaker 1: who I replaced on the board of trustees at Temple University.
Speaker 1: Even if you don't believe all of them, if you
Speaker 1: half half and then half that half, you have at
Speaker 1: least one or two. Yeah, and if there's one, that's
Speaker 1: one too many. And that's how I looked at it.
Speaker 1: So I had to take a step back. In the
Speaker 1: minute that I started thinking about what it must be
Speaker 1: like for them, It's like the floodgates open my confidence.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going back in these rooms. I'm going
Speaker 1: to rewrite letters to all of these people and say
Speaker 1: you let me in the room with him. Now, let
Speaker 1: me in the room by myself, and let me pitch myself.
Speaker 1: And so some of them said yes, some said no.
Speaker 1: As the spiritual woman that had to like, really psychologically,
Speaker 1: that's God working in a really mysterious way, right, It
Speaker 1: wasn't so mysterious. I actually felt like it was a
Speaker 1: clear sign that, you know, Lena Horn had a quote
Speaker 1: that was in this book Stormy Weather, and I have
Speaker 1: a great obsession with Lena Horne. She said something about
Speaker 1: white men getting you in rooms that you can't get
Speaker 1: yourself in and that's how she felt at the time,
Speaker 1: and ultimately that's not true. People will let you in
Speaker 1: the room. I think you have to just keep beating
Speaker 1: down the door over and over. You. We are all
Speaker 1: in this business that we know. You walk in and
Speaker 1: you're instantly stereotype, You're instantly assumed to be something. Yes.
Speaker 1: And so I wrote back notes and I'd learned how
Speaker 1: also to tell people. I definitely channeled fifty cent a
Speaker 1: couple of times in I became no longer afraid to
Speaker 1: brag on myself. Yeah, you know, you have your own
Speaker 1: merit and you deserved it, but we shrink it down.
Speaker 1: I mean we all do, but women we especially do
Speaker 1: in these meetings. And so then you defer to laughing
Speaker 1: at jokes that aren't funny, or your presentation changes a lot.
Speaker 1: And so I said, I'm thirty years in this business.
Speaker 1: I'm going to run my resume down. And I really
Speaker 1: did channel every hip hop artist that you mail that
Speaker 1: you can imagine, and I specifically zeroed in on men
Speaker 1: because they get a pass at saying some of the
Speaker 1: things that women can. And I went in very, very hot.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is who I am, and this
Speaker 1: is what I did and if I have to explain myself.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that was a turn off to some people,
Speaker 1: but other people received it with the intention of I
Speaker 1: don't stand up for myself who is and that's how
Speaker 1: I've played it. I always wondered about daytime television, like,
Speaker 1: even though Oprah should be the bar right black woman
Speaker 1: who defied every stereotype, weird name, some would say, you know,
Speaker 1: looks everything, why didn't they continue to look for more
Speaker 1: of that instead of just going cookie cutter like they did.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. It is something that I goodness
Speaker 1: it is they wanted daytime I believe not they Some
Speaker 1: people want it daytime to be white. It's like, for
Speaker 1: I call it the Fort Green Centrome, and it's that
Speaker 1: you have this neighborhood and for it to be of value,
Speaker 1: some people believe that it has to be white. And
Speaker 1: so as a result, even though the audience is largely
Speaker 1: all women of all different backgrounds, our show is almost
Speaker 1: fifty fifty fifty percent African American, Latino Asian, fifty percent white.
Speaker 1: So we have this beautiful diversity just straight down the
Speaker 1: middle of this show. And though we have to happen
Speaker 1: to have one of the highest income earning daytime shows.
Speaker 1: So these are people, mostly women who buy, who have
Speaker 1: huge purchasing power. But there will be people who say,
Speaker 1: fifty percent African American, that's not the audience we want.
Speaker 1: And you know they still say that. You know that
Speaker 1: there is still the conversation, and I have it all
Speaker 1: the time. I've had people call in and say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: why is this Why do they have so many urban
Speaker 1: guests this week? And then you have other people who
Speaker 1: claim I don't, which is obviously not true. But it's
Speaker 1: a fascinating thing and I think it still remains part
Speaker 1: of television. I don't want to get into this whole thing,
Speaker 1: but listen when I when I grew up watching TV,
Speaker 1: it was almost more diverse than it is now. You
Speaker 1: know Martin in Living Color. I mean the list of
Speaker 1: you go through some of the breakout shows and television,
Speaker 1: the fresh prints and on and on, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Damon Wayne's show, Bill dil hugely show. I mean, we
Speaker 1: go to Bill Cosby and Oprah, but there was a
Speaker 1: We just had guy Torreon for their documentary about Fat Tuesdays,
Speaker 1: and they talked about this night that was created because
Speaker 1: TV executives would not go to Compton to hear comedians.
Speaker 1: So they brought the comedians to the Sunset Strip, and
Speaker 1: almost every show you watched during the nineties and two
Speaker 1: thousands was because of a black comic performing on that
Speaker 1: night and being seen by executives who would never have
Speaker 1: gone to Compton to hear them. So it's fascinating. But
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think it's a valuable landscape.
Speaker 1: That's why every year you see more shows launched, because
Speaker 1: there's money in daytime, but it's not always seen as
Speaker 1: a value when that money is coming from us. Sadly, yeah,
Speaker 1: because we saw a Nick Cannon show only six months
Speaker 1: and then they canceled it rather quickly, and we were
Speaker 1: saying up here, we feel like he really didn't get
Speaker 1: a fair shake. And what's what do you define as
Speaker 1: a fair shake? Like not enough time to really layer
Speaker 1: make a mark and established. It feels like you need
Speaker 1: a little bit more time than six months. What do
Speaker 1: you think? No, I think that he is brilliant and
Speaker 1: he is one of the best interviewers I have ever
Speaker 1: sat in the room with. I think the show wasn't him.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the show was, but it wasn't him,
Speaker 1: And I think that's I think they needed a reset,
Speaker 1: but it was too late. But I also think he
Speaker 1: got an incredible chance because he came in after a
Speaker 1: scandal that would have broken most people. I would not
Speaker 1: have gotten on TV had I said the comments about
Speaker 1: whatever he said, which he apologized for and he deserved
Speaker 1: forgiveness for, and he deserved to be on air. I
Speaker 1: believe that was a big chance. A lot of people
Speaker 1: would not have been able to get back on air,
Speaker 1: and I think that may have taken him off of
Speaker 1: who he is. Right, could you come in with such pressure?
Speaker 1: You've now just said this thing, You've apologized, but you
Speaker 1: know people are swirling and they're looking for you to fail.
Speaker 1: And so I didn't always see like the Nick that
Speaker 1: I love on that particular show. Could you beat that
Speaker 1: on daytime? No? Because what you said, how do he
Speaker 1: want you to k did a Middle America? I think
Speaker 1: he could. He's got Nick Cannon is one of the
Speaker 1: most successful people in entertainment bar none. I mean think
Speaker 1: about all of the shows, so he has a huge
Speaker 1: fan base. I think coming in under that pressure was
Speaker 1: never going to change, right. He was coming in with
Speaker 1: a cloud of people thinking, oh right, he got a shot,
Speaker 1: Look what he said, Look what he did. And then
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, his personal life, which he was
Speaker 1: so honest and open about, was used against him. I mean,
Speaker 1: why he has, you know, kids or whatever. It was
Speaker 1: these storylines that became overshadowing of his talent, and he's
Speaker 1: so talented. No, that's true, because it's like you can't
Speaker 1: even really get into discussions about the show because you
Speaker 1: gotta dig to all the exactly and so all the
Speaker 1: articles became about his personal life, not about he had
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox on. They had this amazing segment. I'm a
Speaker 1: TV junkie. I watch everybody's show. I listened, so I
Speaker 1: never watched him as competition. I watched as a fan.
Speaker 1: But I feel like people didn't talk about the content.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how that was ever going to change,
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. So if you give him another year,
Speaker 1: another six months, were they going to be able to
Speaker 1: change what people were talking about, sadly, which was his
Speaker 1: personal life and he owned it, he smiled about whatever. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't. I just I thought, why aren't we talking
Speaker 1: about his interviews or his content? And so that's what
Speaker 1: I mean by it. I don't know if a year
Speaker 1: would have changed that. But if anybody's going to be
Speaker 1: back on TV with sixty thou shows on TV, right,
Speaker 1: he still is. He's got more shows and more millions
Speaker 1: than I'll ever have. This Tamin Hall feel like a
Speaker 1: successful talk show. Hosha. Yeah, okay, I do, I do?
Speaker 1: I do? What talking about you? Man? That's an interesting question.
Speaker 1: Why do you ask me that? Um? Just because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know you, You came in and then everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't know if it's gonna last, But then you
Speaker 1: got another season. Now you got renewed for two. So
Speaker 1: now you breathe aside relief and like, okay, no, but
Speaker 1: if everything was end now, you'd feel successful if every
Speaker 1: think we're to end now? How do I guess? How
Speaker 1: do you define success? What is success? Right? So? I
Speaker 1: think for me, success is, yeah, I did something to
Speaker 1: your point that people didn't think could be done, and
Speaker 1: now we're about to go on our fourth and fifth season.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I listen. I was a success
Speaker 1: the day that I was born. My mother beat the odds.
Speaker 1: She was a nineteen year old single mom with no husband.
Speaker 1: My grandfather brought me home with a second grade education.
Speaker 1: He could not read. So I was a success when
Speaker 1: I the day I came out of my mother's body
Speaker 1: because no one expected her to be able to be
Speaker 1: a great mom as a teenager, this country girl who
Speaker 1: then moved to a bigger city. So I don't measure
Speaker 1: it by the talk show. I really don't. I know
Speaker 1: that sounds all. I Oh, I don't. I do not.
Speaker 1: I don't, because you you know, you'll define yourself by it.
Speaker 1: There's a book that I recall, a Path of Light,
Speaker 1: and it says are you what your card says beneath it?
Speaker 1: So right now, whoever's listening, you all take out your occupation.
Speaker 1: Are you still you? And I had to, very early
Speaker 1: on in my life measure my life by that because
Speaker 1: none of the people who I raised even had a
Speaker 1: business card to have a title underneath it, so they
Speaker 1: didn't measure themselves. So I wasn't raised to measure myself
Speaker 1: by that. So and even doing things you're passionate about,
Speaker 1: like your new show on Court TV, someone they knew, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that has to feel good because that's something that you
Speaker 1: really wanted to do. Yeah. Right, Because then now so
Speaker 1: that going back to your question, you know, the success,
Speaker 1: the success is being able to choose your projects right
Speaker 1: and choose the things you want to do. So now
Speaker 1: I do have that option. So Court TV came to
Speaker 1: me and they said, we want to do a show
Speaker 1: someone they knew, and we would like for you to
Speaker 1: do it. I did a crime show called Deadline Crime
Speaker 1: for six seasons, including when I was pregnant with Moses,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't do it anymore because it was just
Speaker 1: I was an emotional wreck. And you talk a lot
Speaker 1: about mental health. Imagine reading a script about, you know,
Speaker 1: a mother being murdered and I'm pregnant and I hadn't
Speaker 1: told anybody, and I'm thinking, can I baby here this way?
Speaker 1: Is he going to have anxiety? Like what am I doing?
Speaker 1: And so I said, once I finished that last season,
Speaker 1: I would never do it again. But I miss talking
Speaker 1: to people and giving them an opportunity to be comforted
Speaker 1: and giving them a chance to tell what happened to them.
Speaker 1: And this show is fascinating to me because the common
Speaker 1: denominator is someone they knew. I mean, the crime show
Speaker 1: I did before was random crimes across the country, which
Speaker 1: were all compelling, but this is right now, someone in
Speaker 1: this room could snap, and these aren't like people who
Speaker 1: who you're looking at, I'm not looking at Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: it's the guy back there with the cap on. No.
Speaker 1: But we talked about crime, especially in New York, of randomness.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody jumping out of an alley, or someone
Speaker 1: following you home, or a fender bender, and two people
Speaker 1: get into it. But these are people that were brought
Speaker 1: into the lives of the victim through no fault of
Speaker 1: the victim. And it tells you a lot about greed, envy, jealousy, passion,
Speaker 1: displaced passion, and what can happen. So the common thread is,
Speaker 1: and I always tell people this show is not meant
Speaker 1: to scare you, but it is to say that there
Speaker 1: someone in your sphere, in your universe who could turn
Speaker 1: into a different person, who could go from the friend
Speaker 1: to a murderer. And that's what these stories are about.
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing and we see it all the time
Speaker 1: on the news about you know a guy who works
Speaker 1: in the building where you live and he's a superintendent. No, no,
Speaker 1: these are people in their world like for women one
Speaker 1: and for women are the victims of a domestic violence
Speaker 1: crime and are saul that person is in their life
Speaker 1: so it's not the guy who's you know, the door
Speaker 1: guy or the guy who parked the car who suddenly
Speaker 1: gets fascinated with These are like intimate individuals in the
Speaker 1: lives of these people, and you wonder what drives someone.
Speaker 1: You know, remember that movie Sleeping with the Internet. If
Speaker 1: you're lying in bed with someone and you believe that
Speaker 1: they love you, in with the same mouth and voice
Speaker 1: that they say I love you, they can say I
Speaker 1: hate you, right, And that's what's so fascinating. So this show,
Speaker 1: um really is it's it's a head trip because you
Speaker 1: do wonder how did that person go from being we
Speaker 1: use that phrase ride or die. They go from being
Speaker 1: your ride or die two wanting you to die. And
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I watched them like on the weekends,
Speaker 1: the shows on Me and the wife cleaning or whatever
Speaker 1: we're doing, and this you always want. It's just so
Speaker 1: interesting they are. And I can't watch them at night.
Speaker 1: I watch all it's like watching a horror movie. So
Speaker 1: I do it all before, Like my son wakes up
Speaker 1: at five third am and I will turn on the
Speaker 1: TV and my huse was like turning two, go I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch this, and I will binge it like six am,
Speaker 1: seven am. They're so interesting. But from a human nature perspective,
Speaker 1: I mean we're all by what we do. Um, we're
Speaker 1: kind of the kind of like an archaeologist. We're studying
Speaker 1: human behavior. So like, for example, when I walked in
Speaker 1: this room, I could see you studying me, and I
Speaker 1: was studying you. I start to look at body and language.
Speaker 1: I hug Angela, but I didn't hug you. I get you.
Speaker 1: And then you watch how people respond. No, no, you're
Speaker 1: watching how people bod I could even tell when my
Speaker 1: answer went too long because I can see it in
Speaker 1: your eyes, Charlomagne, so you can I can see it. No,
Speaker 1: you got your body shifted, so you know. And you
Speaker 1: we all are like little investigators, right, and so these
Speaker 1: shows turn you into investigators because you're wondering, Hey, how
Speaker 1: do I avoid being a victim? Be? Could I prosecute this? See?
Speaker 1: How would I investigate it? Which is also why I
Speaker 1: wrote my crime book I'm a Crime series Jordan Manning
Speaker 1: as the Wicked Watch. I'm actually fifteen chapters into the
Speaker 1: follow up to that and that book, like this show
Speaker 1: all inspired by human nature and I'm no professional. Let this,
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist who doesn't talk show. But I am
Speaker 1: deeply fascinated by how people can take someone else's life,
Speaker 1: especially someone they love. Especially you know, when you talk
Speaker 1: about human behavior, the only reason all of us are
Speaker 1: safe every day is because of human behavior, because we
Speaker 1: make a choice not to go crazy on somebody. Yes,
Speaker 1: I could you be pushed to it? Right? Could you
Speaker 1: be put wash to a point of no return? I
Speaker 1: think I could. You could never felt like I wanted to.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody told me one time that, and I
Speaker 1: totally disagree with this. But I've had a woman say
Speaker 1: on my podcast that if a man doesn't ever feel
Speaker 1: like he wants to kill you, he doesn't love you.
Speaker 1: Well that's a lie. Um no, And I was like,
Speaker 1: that's not true. What I mean by that is not
Speaker 1: passionate love. When I had my son, they talk about
Speaker 1: the Mama bear thing. I didn't know that was real
Speaker 1: until I had my son. I could have. We were
Speaker 1: walking one day and we lived in the city and
Speaker 1: this man was just demonstrative walking and my baby was
Speaker 1: just learning to walk, and he nearly knocked him over.
Speaker 1: I saw stars, I saw I mean, it was one
Speaker 1: of those moments like Oprah's to be brought oper and
Speaker 1: color pro was like, hold my baby. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was ready to kill this man and I had
Speaker 1: I turned and before and I'm like cursing, and my
Speaker 1: husband's like, what is this? And it was a rage
Speaker 1: from the bottom of my feet. I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: admitting this to the top of my head that I
Speaker 1: could have. I could see that I could. When's the
Speaker 1: last time you wanted to kill somebody? As never that
Speaker 1: was just a one time. Don't try to see this
Speaker 1: is what you do. Don't you try to make me
Speaker 1: man like Kamala Harrison will not fall for this nonsense.
Speaker 1: Not gonna yard. I gotta have Nick Cannon mad at me,
Speaker 1: like stam All said, he didn't even that is not
Speaker 1: what I said. So let me clear that up. I
Speaker 1: said that too many people weren't distracted by things that
Speaker 1: didn't matter, which were Nick's great interviews. Angela said, don't
Speaker 1: try to screw me with him, So no, I, um no, Honestly,
Speaker 1: it was only when I had my baby that it
Speaker 1: was this mama bear. When they tell you don't get
Speaker 1: any middle of a bear cub and the mama bear,
Speaker 1: I understood and understand that snap because I never felt
Speaker 1: that away and it doesn't please. On top of that,
Speaker 1: I got six. You know, it doesn't go. You feel
Speaker 1: like you're on guard constantly. I'm ready to do it. Really,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to kill somebody with my kids. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not like, could you because we see so many stories
Speaker 1: all the time, but people doing things and kids, I'm like,
Speaker 1: and you know, we are the wishing wishing Nigga Wood
Speaker 1: type of people. I wish mother. And that's okay, you said,
Speaker 1: I won't say it, but that's how I feel with
Speaker 1: my son. I feel like about your husband, do you
Speaker 1: feel like, No, he's growing, he's fifty three, but if
Speaker 1: somebody did something in him, you wouldn't be like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna kill that person. Oh no, we were getting going though.
Speaker 1: It's my husband's different matter. I hop of course, of course,
Speaker 1: this funny story. I was once engaged to a man,
Speaker 1: uh and we went on vacation together and we parasled
Speaker 1: and we were out in the ocean and Cosamelo somewhere
Speaker 1: this is many years ago, and the parasel snapped, I
Speaker 1: can't swim. I flew into the ocean. He was still
Speaker 1: on the boat. I called off the wedding absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: a true story. The guy on the boat, who didn't
Speaker 1: even speak English, was like swimming, Hey did it move?
Speaker 1: He was a lifeguard growing up, so I may have
Speaker 1: told him much. He goes, sume me, now what. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to look at all sides. Should say. Last weekend,
Speaker 1: I think it was Miami fiance fell in the ocean.
Speaker 1: The guy jumped in after her. Chop was the plan
Speaker 1: the boat that was very sad. I'm going that would happened.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying likes not and all they did was
Speaker 1: through the life rap for her and got her. But
Speaker 1: he died for love. Yeah, but he should have let
Speaker 1: the people on the boat do they No? I after
Speaker 1: I didn't speak to him. We flew all the way
Speaker 1: back and I said this is not gonna work. And
Speaker 1: what was his explanation? I listen, I did not. I
Speaker 1: did not. I did not. I was so upset and
Speaker 1: so disappointed. He froze, you know, black planted was She
Speaker 1: was like, don't freeze. Maybe he froze. Well we'll never
Speaker 1: know married, somebody'll never not that worked. But no, what
Speaker 1: I know? So, first of all, the parasel, I was
Speaker 1: terrified it was gonna come down over my head, but
Speaker 1: it fell behind me. I had a life jacket on.
Speaker 1: I can't swem. So now I'm thinking two things. Thank
Speaker 1: god the parasell did not. Then I'm like, Jaws is
Speaker 1: gonna eat my legs because I'm in the deepest part
Speaker 1: of the ocean. He might be thinking that too. He was,
Speaker 1: so you were like, I can't but lay it in
Speaker 1: jump there. You're like, wait a minute, what if there's jaws?
Speaker 1: Um no, my legs are dangling, and how far is
Speaker 1: the boat? They had to turn around because I flew
Speaker 1: it snapped and I flew out and pow hit the water.
Speaker 1: It's like submit, I could have died. And then they
Speaker 1: flew back around, came back and then I realized I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna go under, and I locked eyes with him
Speaker 1: and I was like doging battle for he didn't even
Speaker 1: try to explain himself, and you know, it's so long
Speaker 1: go but whatever he said wasn't suffice, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: It wasn't enough because I remember getting on that boat
Speaker 1: and I was like, this man will never ever b
Speaker 1: is like world Star. I'm trying. Yeah, you've been taking lessons, right,
Speaker 1: I've been. I still can't you can't you should come in, Well,
Speaker 1: my son can swim. I'm still learning. Isn't that terrible?
Speaker 1: Your son can swim and you're like love building people up?
Speaker 1: Isn't that terrible? What cap? That's how I feel when
Speaker 1: little kids be swimming circles around me and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why can I Still He's a part of my motivation,
Speaker 1: going back to that Mama bear. So when when we
Speaker 1: got our got our kid, when I had him and
Speaker 1: he's I said, okay, we have this pool, and you know,
Speaker 1: we do so many stories and it is so important.
Speaker 1: And I did a report on you know, there's this
Speaker 1: whole study on why people of color don't swim and
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with an inability to swim. Um.
Speaker 1: It was a fascinating study from USA Swim that basically
Speaker 1: said two things. Um, when they asked young black girls,
Speaker 1: it was about our hair. Um, it was about her hair.
Speaker 1: But more important than that, because that was a very
Speaker 1: small percentage. You don't want to put your child in
Speaker 1: a situation where you can't save them. So so many
Speaker 1: black parents and parents of color can't swim. And so
Speaker 1: you say, I know you can swim, but I need
Speaker 1: to be able to save my baby. And so as
Speaker 1: a result, it has nothing to do with like a
Speaker 1: lack of swimming programs. You know a lot of people
Speaker 1: pointed to pools closing and areas. It had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with that. It was I cannot bring myself to
Speaker 1: put my baby in a position where they would be harmed,
Speaker 1: and I can't going back to Mama Bear, Daddy Bear,
Speaker 1: can't go in and save them. So that's been a
Speaker 1: part of it. So when I had Moses, I was like,
Speaker 1: I cannot possibly be here and not be able to
Speaker 1: launch into the first class I took. They taught me diving.
Speaker 1: So they would put these things and they said first
Speaker 1: class was diving. Well, no diving and retrieving because they said,
Speaker 1: we won't call it anything. We'll say a piece of
Speaker 1: something falls on and so we would never use that,
Speaker 1: you know that visual And so they were five or something.
Speaker 1: I needed it though, right, So they would put it
Speaker 1: in and I dive, and they taught me how, like
Speaker 1: you know, your instinct is when you would dive in,
Speaker 1: you hold your breath, so you're panicking and something is underwater,
Speaker 1: go you dive in, Well, you're gonna run out of air.
Speaker 1: So they taught me how to push the air out
Speaker 1: going in so that I could go in. And so
Speaker 1: it was intense and it was terrifying. But going back
Speaker 1: to what you will do for love, that was one
Speaker 1: of the things. I respect you breaking that off door
Speaker 1: because it's like you can't really do those vows sickness
Speaker 1: and in health and all. You respect me now because
Speaker 1: you first were defending him and you said he could
Speaker 1: have been killed by random him? What I though, because
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't would confidence say those vows knowing
Speaker 1: that you almost let your woman drown? Or I couldn't
Speaker 1: be confident in hearing him? What about my perspective? He
Speaker 1: could probably have said them, because I'm sure now I
Speaker 1: got to go find him on Facebook and I'll ask
Speaker 1: him why didn't he jump in? But have you ever
Speaker 1: been at a crossroad? I met your wife too. I
Speaker 1: met Charlomagne's beautiful wife at the Tyler Perry studio. Is
Speaker 1: there any have you been in a moment or cross
Speaker 1: road where you had to say I gotta jump it?
Speaker 1: Was there ever a confrontation with a god looking at her?
Speaker 1: Already Na not yet hopefully never too old now to
Speaker 1: be doing? Yeah? You got kids? Push ups? You ready?
Speaker 1: How old is Moses. Moses will be three in April.
Speaker 1: Three in April. When you when you're teaching one thing
Speaker 1: about swimming, just remember sometimes it doesn't matter that he
Speaker 1: can swim, but if kids are around him and grab him,
Speaker 1: even though if you could swim, so they teach you.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, tell Moses to go down under
Speaker 1: the water because when you go, okay, my heart is racing.
Speaker 1: Now you got my heart racing. I know. That's that's
Speaker 1: why I tease the kids swimming. And the reason I
Speaker 1: didn't never know how to swim is and queens. We
Speaker 1: didn't have swimming pool. Do you swim now? Swim to
Speaker 1: swim team? Oh your word? Yeah, So I took that
Speaker 1: even with the Beijing and your bid you still jump
Speaker 1: in the shut up? Is that that that's not being okay?
Speaker 1: But it's just the kids are young, like six seven months,
Speaker 1: I put them in the water. That's what we did.
Speaker 1: So that when he learning all my kids how to swim, great,
Speaker 1: see that's good. We did that with Moses. We started
Speaker 1: at he was a few weeks old. And actually I
Speaker 1: saw a gather union as a friend and I saw
Speaker 1: a copy in the one and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: look at her, she's doing it. I'm showing my infant
Speaker 1: these pictures like that, and she is a phenomenal swimmer,
Speaker 1: and I wanted him in the water. But it is
Speaker 1: truly one of those intimidating things, even still for me.
Speaker 1: But it is so important and there are so many
Speaker 1: misnomers about why black people don't swim in it. Just
Speaker 1: when I got involved with this organization, USA Swimming started studying,
Speaker 1: it was after I think it was three and I
Speaker 1: don't want to quote it wrong, but there was an
Speaker 1: incident in Louisiana where there was a sandbar and the
Speaker 1: children fell in and they drowned, and as adults were
Speaker 1: going out to save them, they were drowning. It's like
Speaker 1: three generations of a black family died. This was about
Speaker 1: ten years ago. I did the story. It was devastating,
Speaker 1: and nobody in the family and so the others were
Speaker 1: forced to stand at the shore and it was just
Speaker 1: like it blew my mind. It blew my mind, and
Speaker 1: it was that was also a part of the catalyst
Speaker 1: for me wanting to help them get the message out
Speaker 1: about this swim But you can come over, We'll help you.
Speaker 1: I know, I gotta learn how to swim? You do?
Speaker 1: How old are you? Uh? It's too old to not
Speaker 1: know how to swim. I should have never been a
Speaker 1: Disney World. I never saw The Lion King either. I
Speaker 1: saw the play, the Broadway play The Lion King. What okay?
Speaker 1: You judge me for not playing uno kidding? I have
Speaker 1: seen the Broadway play though I know that movie. You've
Speaker 1: never seen the movie. And I've been Disney Work, Disneyland.
Speaker 1: I've been at Disneyland in California, never disney World in Orlando.
Speaker 1: Why don't you guys take her for her birthday? No,
Speaker 1: thank you. I will go with you love in Disney World. No,
Speaker 1: we will not. No, we will not do that because
Speaker 1: there are a lot of kids in that water and
Speaker 1: everything else there. It is, you know what, It's very
Speaker 1: very fun. It is truly magical, and you have to
Speaker 1: get that iconic picture where you're right in the middle
Speaker 1: and it's behind. Do you have any nieces, their nephews
Speaker 1: or anything. I have a lot of younger cousins. You
Speaker 1: got you should do a family trip. It's expensive. I
Speaker 1: think I would go with my friends at this point
Speaker 1: now and my kids. I have three guid children. You
Speaker 1: know you should go I know you give great financial advice.
Speaker 1: Just it is expensive. I will start it is GOTTLANDA.
Speaker 1: She's already set it up. So when I go there
Speaker 1: next she's like, we're gonna go. It's it's it's a lot.
Speaker 1: You want to get the fast pass, you want to
Speaker 1: get a tour, you want to and then it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's a lot. Well, how to go next month? Am
Speaker 1: I too old to be a Disney child? No? Listen,
Speaker 1: do you know that Disney is the number one destination
Speaker 1: for couples to honeymoon? I could never honey that's too much.
Speaker 1: And they have the whole Disney wedding collection like people,
Speaker 1: you know, like they had the Gucci Disney collaboration. They
Speaker 1: have people go and they design beautiful gowns inspired by
Speaker 1: the princesses. Yes, is that a worst? Yeah? My oldest
Speaker 1: daughter cheerleading. So they have the leaving competition there every April. No,
Speaker 1: it is, it is, It is truly you there. I'll
Speaker 1: let you know you're gonna make it there. You're like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna Mars with Big David. Got make it there? See,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you could go to Morrow. You own like
Speaker 1: half of Brooklyn. I read every time about you buying
Speaker 1: another house another town. You should get on playing tonight
Speaker 1: and and fly right back, should just fly right there
Speaker 1: and go. You know what fascinated me? You had some
Speaker 1: of the a couple of the women from Tenders wind
Speaker 1: there on this terrifying. Yes, that was terrifying to me.
Speaker 1: But I feel like people didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: sympathy for them. They didn't. People don't have sympathy for
Speaker 1: We do a lot of shows on UM this type
Speaker 1: of crime, this type of fraud that takes place, and
Speaker 1: we did one season, I think this season one or
Speaker 1: two of our show a woman she was a CIA
Speaker 1: spy and a man swindled her out of over a
Speaker 1: million dollars and people had no sympathy for her, and
Speaker 1: I don't. It breaks my heart and I try to
Speaker 1: explain it. Folks. Cons are good because they're cons. And
Speaker 1: when people say, oh, that wouldn't have ever happened to me, like, yes,
Speaker 1: that's what they do. It's like that's there. They spend
Speaker 1: their entire day trying to figure out how to get
Speaker 1: you to get you don't think you could do it.
Speaker 1: I watched Raw Food and Wine. I think you've never
Speaker 1: felt taken it. That was Rob Vegan. I saw that way.
Speaker 1: You've never felt taken advantage of ever in in a
Speaker 1: romantic sit Remember you bought the fake leather jacket jacket.
Speaker 1: I bought a fake leather jacket, but that was two
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. You bought a fake It was on a train,
Speaker 1: but that's the beginning. It wasn't even on the train.
Speaker 1: But he put the fire against the leather and told
Speaker 1: me leather doesn't but you, okay, look at under stand
Speaker 1: out crazy. That's else. I bought a leather jacket with
Speaker 1: a guy with a flame torch, gave me a test.
Speaker 1: It was a great story. It is a great story.
Speaker 1: Was but that's what that's how it starts. There's only
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars to fifty. That's a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of money. And I felt that you buy seven
Speaker 1: jacket my whole life. But two fifty is the beginning.
Speaker 1: So if he first of all, two fifties a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Again, to buy a jacket on a subway
Speaker 1: with a flame, with a flame torch, fifty dollars, I
Speaker 1: could see two fifties a lot. So you bust some
Speaker 1: fake sneaked Look what you just said, he said it
Speaker 1: was real and that's what you got got and you
Speaker 1: can wear a fake less? Shut up? Do you do?
Speaker 1: You do? You die? Don't do nothing to you? You
Speaker 1: got us die? You know? Don't try to spink? Are
Speaker 1: you a pitch person for them? No? Ok, he's not
Speaker 1: mentioned it three times, but like any name I mentioned
Speaker 1: three times, he gets him. Do you have a No?
Speaker 1: People always ask about your skin. Everyone always talking about beautiful.
Speaker 1: They have a dermatologist, doctor sandy, but it's beautiful. I
Speaker 1: don't use tammer. Have you ever been swindows? Have I
Speaker 1: ever been swindled? Like swing or anything? He's talking about
Speaker 1: the flames like, no, have yes? Fake? I've never bought
Speaker 1: anything fake? But you get Oh. I can't tell the
Speaker 1: story no, because it involves the legal stuff now because
Speaker 1: I I don't know that much. I didn't lose it.
Speaker 1: I got it back. But how much did they take
Speaker 1: before you got it back? Uh? They I had deposited
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars wow, and and then uh because of
Speaker 1: her service related to my child. And then the service
Speaker 1: turned out not to be legitimate. And then I had
Speaker 1: to go and get it back, get it back. And
Speaker 1: he could have butt twenty Lesack. I, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: hate being engaging, but it did get legal, so I
Speaker 1: can't get should be watching like you really, I now
Speaker 1: I want my money back. Um, But it's you know,
Speaker 1: with the dating thing, it's about getting someone when they're vulnerable,
Speaker 1: and love makes us so vulnerable going back and man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this a thematic show. The
Speaker 1: love of your child, the lack of love with the
Speaker 1: guy didn't jump in to save me any of these things.
Speaker 1: It's it's love and they zero in on it. I
Speaker 1: had the ten Swindler women on and to your point,
Speaker 1: you think, like at the point they're asking for oh,
Speaker 1: my check didn't come in. If you front me this,
Speaker 1: I'll give it back, they just nibble away. At the
Speaker 1: same time they're love bombing them. They're showering them with gifts,
Speaker 1: and in that case, he was buying gifts with the
Speaker 1: money from other women. So you're thinking, oh, he just
Speaker 1: took me on a four thousand dollars you know, dinner,
Speaker 1: so he's got to have the money. I'm on a
Speaker 1: private jet. He'll give it back. But yeah, it is
Speaker 1: a huge problem, and think about it. These are the
Speaker 1: people who come on TV do you know how many
Speaker 1: others that you know who stay silent, right, and who
Speaker 1: don't tell how they've been taking advantage of It's crazy,
Speaker 1: but I see how it can. Thank god has ever happened,
Speaker 1: But I see how it can. Yeah, why don't that?
Speaker 1: I saw how it could happen because he was definitely
Speaker 1: doing a lot of things. He's fulling up in a Lamborghini.
Speaker 1: You don't think he has stolen it, and he's taking
Speaker 1: them on trips on private plane, and then you're believing
Speaker 1: that his life is in danger because people are acting. Well,
Speaker 1: that's when he lost charity, got beat up and he's
Speaker 1: too much. We always remember when they start adding on
Speaker 1: like so that they say they're the tells with a lie,
Speaker 1: and so obviously you watch the eyes. If the eyes
Speaker 1: go down and go up, they're different tells. When people
Speaker 1: start adding on too much detail, right, that's when you
Speaker 1: know simple they keep keep your lie simple. If you ever.
Speaker 1: I hate to give you this advice, but when doing
Speaker 1: a crime show, and I do, I view a lot
Speaker 1: of interrogation video and looking even with my new show
Speaker 1: at you know, we have a one guy, we have
Speaker 1: his interrogation video and I was sitting there the whole time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, please stop. He just kept going. And you
Speaker 1: know they say, talk yourself into a lie. He just
Speaker 1: keep your lie first. I'll always commit the crime by yourself.
Speaker 1: Never because if you're gonna do any with anybody, they're
Speaker 1: gonna tell every crime. What else should we do? Angela,
Speaker 1: don't do it at Disney, the cameras everywhere. No, I
Speaker 1: do a crime show. So again going back to a
Speaker 1: charlottage and say, you study people. And one of the
Speaker 1: things I always tell people everybody, you get caught when
Speaker 1: you do it with somebody else. If you're going to
Speaker 1: rob the bank, just leave the car out front and
Speaker 1: don't take anyone because they're going to tell on you.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing. The second thing is keep it simple, stupid.
Speaker 1: Keep it simple, stupid. Do not go into the interrogation
Speaker 1: room believing that you can trick them. You cannot trick
Speaker 1: those investigators. It's all they do all day long is
Speaker 1: hear people lie. It's just like I know, you know,
Speaker 1: when people are lying in an interview I do. I
Speaker 1: interview people and I'm like, this is not a true story,
Speaker 1: or this is a TV version of the story. They know, right.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you something because you use this
Speaker 1: word a couple of times throughout the interview journalism? Do
Speaker 1: you think there are still such things as objective journalism?
Speaker 1: Are as everything? It was never objective, It was never objective.
Speaker 1: How can it be? We're humans, We go home to
Speaker 1: our lives. We go home. So you're telling me it's
Speaker 1: like when you know, going back to my show, um,
Speaker 1: when they say to the jury strike what you just heard?
Speaker 1: How do you how I possible? So we go in
Speaker 1: with our biases, we go in with our beliefs, we
Speaker 1: go in with our perspective, and how you extract that
Speaker 1: would make you one of the most incredible people ever.
Speaker 1: And that would be Jesus, because I don't think it's possible.
Speaker 1: And now you can try to suppress some of it.
Speaker 1: But going back to you know, the book that I wrote,
Speaker 1: and when we talked about missing black and brow people
Speaker 1: pick white blonde women to leave for a reason, that's
Speaker 1: not that's a bias, because you'll believe that the audience
Speaker 1: values that life more or will not turn it from
Speaker 1: that story. That's the reason why people I was on
Speaker 1: a couple of shows and people, well, why do you
Speaker 1: think this continues to happen? We know the answer. Why
Speaker 1: So then why does that happen? Because people have biases.
Speaker 1: They see that looks like my daughter, That could be
Speaker 1: my kid, she looks just like my daughter's friend. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, that could happen in my neighborhood. Reporters are
Speaker 1: just people. It's impossible. And I know a lot of
Speaker 1: my colleagues will greatly disagree with me and may not
Speaker 1: be happy with me saying that I've been in newsrooms
Speaker 1: for thirty years. I'm in the newsroom with people, not robots,
Speaker 1: and you hear and see every day. And that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's a negative, right, because sometimes your perspective and
Speaker 1: bias can help. But there's no way, there's no So
Speaker 1: how do you trust any of these networks CNN, MSNBC, Fox,
Speaker 1: because it's all opinion based. How do I know that
Speaker 1: it is giving me the facts as they know them.
Speaker 1: You don't. I mean, you're asking me a beginning of
Speaker 1: time question that this is. I mean, journalism didn't start
Speaker 1: with MSNBC. I know people believe that, but it did not.
Speaker 1: I mean the history of journalism, muckraking. You know, look
Speaker 1: at we even talk about dirty politics. I won't bore
Speaker 1: you but take a second and look at the Thomas
Speaker 1: Jefferson attacks. I mean, just it is, It's incredible. So
Speaker 1: I feel like, not to oversimplify, but just even Alexander
Speaker 1: Hamilton and everyone loves Hamilton, when I bring that up,
Speaker 1: that was a dirty politics. I mean, this isn't new
Speaker 1: journalism being used to demean Look at some of the
Speaker 1: people love cartoons, you know, political cartoons. You've seen some
Speaker 1: of the political cartoons of Irish people, Italian people, black people.
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about how we were made to
Speaker 1: look in political cartoons. These exaggerated, you know, monstrous ways.
Speaker 1: This is part of the political agenda since people could
Speaker 1: pick up a pin in a paper without words. So
Speaker 1: the idea that CNN, MSNBC or fix started this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And the idea that human beings who come in from
Speaker 1: very different worlds and sometimes the people they're reporting on.
Speaker 1: I just saw a whole conversation about monetizing journalism. We
Speaker 1: know people you and I in journalism who make sixty
Speaker 1: million dollars. What are you going to do to keep
Speaker 1: that sixty million dollars? Chet You're not. You're gonna do
Speaker 1: what you need to do. You're gonna go on TV
Speaker 1: and say some crazy things if that's what you're paying
Speaker 1: to say. Anything that's monetized is corrupt. Anything that's monetized
Speaker 1: is tainted. And when you make millions of millions of
Speaker 1: dollars as a journalist, which I hope too, it's going
Speaker 1: to impact you. It is, And that's a lie when
Speaker 1: people say that it doesn't. You make eight million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. What are you going to do to keep
Speaker 1: making that eight million? First of all, why why? And
Speaker 1: I say that knowing again that I want all of
Speaker 1: us to have eight to twenty to thirty million dollars contracts?
Speaker 1: But why if you're not a war correspondent, right because
Speaker 1: those people are putting it in on the line. What
Speaker 1: you see out of Ukraine is incredible reporting that I
Speaker 1: don't and I couldn't ever do. But I do think
Speaker 1: that that's not though to say that there aren't honest journalists,
Speaker 1: I think most journalists are honest. Honest and bias are
Speaker 1: two different things. So what is a journalist because I
Speaker 1: feel like all of them are bias? Oh, what is
Speaker 1: a journalist? It's somebody who reports what they see and
Speaker 1: what they hear, and that's what we're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: Now what is opinion? That's different. But a journalist. I
Speaker 1: just did a interview with Cheek and Coody. They did
Speaker 1: the documentary. It's phenomenal. It's phenomenal documentary. They are journalists
Speaker 1: to me. They picked up a camera and they journaled
Speaker 1: and chronicled the rise of Kanye West into what he
Speaker 1: is now, which I believe is a genius. So they
Speaker 1: follow that. That's journalism to me. Anybody can pick up
Speaker 1: their phone and the citizen reporters. Half of the crimes
Speaker 1: against black people related to police are because one person,
Speaker 1: George Floyd, she picked up the camera. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean that she's a journalist. She's also brave and
Speaker 1: a transformational person in this conversation of police brutality. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, she was a journalist.
Speaker 1: She picked up that phone and chronicled what she saw
Speaker 1: in an unbiased way, but then turned it over from
Speaker 1: the perspective of being black and knowing that that could
Speaker 1: have been her too. So I think anyone can be
Speaker 1: a journalist. Opinion is very different, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: after seven PM or whatever, I feel like everything is
Speaker 1: opinion based. Now, No, I don't think that's true. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a clear difference I feel between what
Speaker 1: happens from nine until five or whatever, and then after
Speaker 1: five I think I think. I think so that's part
Speaker 1: of why representation matters so much, because we do have
Speaker 1: our own biases that we bring with us. Like you said,
Speaker 1: but you want people that also have a similar experience
Speaker 1: because the way they tell the story is different. Well,
Speaker 1: I think if someone is from the outside that maybe
Speaker 1: doesn't understand cultural things. Well, I think it's a complicated
Speaker 1: answer because I just had somebody on recently who said,
Speaker 1: you know, well, as a white guy, I was in
Speaker 1: over my skis to talk about George Floyd, and I said, wait,
Speaker 1: but you can't view it that way either, because I
Speaker 1: don't need to walk in your shoes to tell you
Speaker 1: that it's wrong. So, for example, I'm a kid from
Speaker 1: you know, Texas, rural Texas. The only Jewish person I
Speaker 1: knew growing up was Jesus. Right when I first learned
Speaker 1: about the Holocaust. I think it was in the fifth grade.
Speaker 1: My teacher didn't have to tell me that was wrong.
Speaker 1: My teacher didn't have to say, oh my God, I
Speaker 1: didn't need to be Jewish practice the faith, practice, the culture,
Speaker 1: go to a sad or dinner or any of that.
Speaker 1: I knew what I saw on there was wrong, So
Speaker 1: I don't personally need to walk a white colleague through
Speaker 1: why George Floyd was wrong. And you can't let people
Speaker 1: off the hook by saying, oh, well, no, I think
Speaker 1: you still responsibility to report and know when something's wrong.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like somebody that can relate to
Speaker 1: something more when I watched that type of reporting, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's important to have absolutely like if you have somebody
Speaker 1: who's from say they're talking about our mayor Eric Adams,
Speaker 1: and you have somebody that's from here that as opposed
Speaker 1: to somebody that's from Texas. Yeah, yeah, I agree, it
Speaker 1: is a little bit. It is absolutely different. I think though,
Speaker 1: what what what happens though, is people didn't use it
Speaker 1: as an excuse not to know right. Right. So I'm
Speaker 1: a reporter from Texas. It was my job to learn
Speaker 1: New York. It was my job to learn Flatbush or
Speaker 1: Crown Heights. It was my job. So I can't go
Speaker 1: into my newsroom and say, oh, I'm from Texas, So
Speaker 1: I'm bowing out. And when it comes to race and gender,
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of people bow out and use
Speaker 1: that as an excuse. Well, I'm not a woman, so
Speaker 1: I'll never know. Well, you know, a woman, I'm not glad,
Speaker 1: so I'm in over my ski. So I really am
Speaker 1: gonna I can't talk about that because I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're a human, You're a human, You're a human, and
Speaker 1: so I just I am always careful of when people
Speaker 1: talk about you know that, because they use it as
Speaker 1: an excuse for them not to know. Our diversity is
Speaker 1: important in the room for exactly what you said. It
Speaker 1: sometimes is used against us in the sense that it
Speaker 1: lets people off the hook for them not to learn.
Speaker 1: That's why guy loves seeing the conversations where they have
Speaker 1: panels and different people, different perspectives can talk about the
Speaker 1: same Well, that's why this show works. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why you're a hugely successful show because you come in,
Speaker 1: you bring your perspective, DJ and you guys bring your perspective.
Speaker 1: And that's why a show like this And I'm not
Speaker 1: just saying it because I'm here as a guest, this
Speaker 1: is what one day. People might not agree with something
Speaker 1: you say, they like what he says in back. That's
Speaker 1: why the view was such a hugely popular show that
Speaker 1: and that's why everyone tried to do panel shows. The
Speaker 1: key though, you have to have the right component and
Speaker 1: you have the ability and agency to speak up just
Speaker 1: as much as they do, which makes the show compelling.
Speaker 1: You're not just the woman they're representing us. You're a
Speaker 1: strong voice representing us. Williams last week, I was it
Speaker 1: important for you to do that? Wendy has done something.
Speaker 1: There are there's a morgue of dead daytime careers, you
Speaker 1: know where people Yeah, I can tell you listen to rappers.
Speaker 1: You and the morgue of dead daytime meaning that was
Speaker 1: like Court TV slash rappers leaving. I'm taking dre My
Speaker 1: God bird man. I'm gonna take this flap though. What
Speaker 1: I said no, because I really it's not the kind
Speaker 1: of show I would have done. I'm gonna be very honest.
Speaker 1: But she did it so brilliantly and did it for
Speaker 1: over a decade, and when people would say, oh she
Speaker 1: was this, she was. Nobody should be feeling sorry for
Speaker 1: Howard Stern. No, a list celebrities still go on his
Speaker 1: show despite things that he said, and he's the king
Speaker 1: of media, and I would hear people say I don't
Speaker 1: want to go on Wendy, but they would go on
Speaker 1: his show. And I thought, this is a double standard.
Speaker 1: She is doing the shocking style of performance, which is
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. But she was somehow penalized in
Speaker 1: the eyes of some people. But she stayed on for
Speaker 1: thirteen years. She survived. Google how many failed daytime shows
Speaker 1: happened while she was on doing more with less. It
Speaker 1: was a chair and a woman who was an excellent
Speaker 1: performer in that style of television, and she deserves that
Speaker 1: that acknowledgement. I mean, I'm getting out hot now. Maybe
Speaker 1: be bad because I just feel like people like I said,
Speaker 1: to listen, there are a lot of things that I
Speaker 1: did not agree with, and they're the Whitney Houston think.
Speaker 1: It still bugs me to this day. Um, and there
Speaker 1: are a lot of other things. But that's said. I
Speaker 1: felt there was an unfair level unfair, a level of
Speaker 1: unfairness directed at her style when a comparable peer who
Speaker 1: did a similar show was still seen as a list
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think she'd be next?
Speaker 1: For us? She'd do it. I've been hearing about the view.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I don't know because I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is right. I mean, she was on
Speaker 1: with t J. Holmes. I commented only because she came
Speaker 1: out on with t J. Holmes and and talk with
Speaker 1: him on Good Morning America. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I you know, I I've only met her a couple
Speaker 1: of times, and I'm the last time I saw her,
Speaker 1: we were in Philadelphia and she was at the train
Speaker 1: depot with some friends. I guess they were her team,
Speaker 1: some members of her team, and you know, she was like,
Speaker 1: I look terrible right now, you know, don't look mind,
Speaker 1: And she started telling me about the the thyroid and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And I, you know, I don't know. It breaks my heart.
Speaker 1: It breaks my heart, it really does. And I don't
Speaker 1: know her as well as you do, Um, but it does.
Speaker 1: And I'm I don't know, I don't everybody knows you
Speaker 1: were close with friends. Do you feel like his legacy
Speaker 1: is being represented correctly? Well? I think he had a
Speaker 1: choice to map out a better plan, and he chose
Speaker 1: not to map out a better plan. And he's very
Speaker 1: the smartest human being I've ever met. Second and Nick Cannon.
Speaker 1: Don't try to about Nick Cannon. Um, it's brilliant. And
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I said Nick Cannon was second friend. No,
Speaker 1: he thought out everything, every detail, and I cannot imagine
Speaker 1: that it did not once cross his mind that he
Speaker 1: did not have a plan for what happens. So I
Speaker 1: guess I choose to assume that he didn't care what
Speaker 1: was going to happen. Well, maybe sometimes you don't know
Speaker 1: the end is coming. You think you have time. That's
Speaker 1: all he talked about. Was then, really, no, the afterlife?
Speaker 1: What is that like? Yeah? No, he he talked about
Speaker 1: a lot that this is not the end game place, right,
Speaker 1: that there is a much more for us to know
Speaker 1: spiritually and to be connected to spiritually. I don't think
Speaker 1: he was as tied to these things as we believe,
Speaker 1: and that's why he left these things for others to
Speaker 1: deal with. I don't believe he was as tied to
Speaker 1: it as people thought. With the show, someone they knew,
Speaker 1: there was a personal incident that kind of made you
Speaker 1: gravitate towards this series as well. Right, Yes, we've talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about it before. Um My sister was
Speaker 1: murdered in an unsolved crime and the person of interest, um,
Speaker 1: the only person of interest was someone in her life.
Speaker 1: And so that goes back to what we were talking about, UM,
Speaker 1: who amongst you could turn into somebody that you don't recognize,
Speaker 1: and so I don't. I was not there on the
Speaker 1: night that she lost her life, but it was very
Speaker 1: much aware over our years. My sister was extremely beautiful, UM,
Speaker 1: so vibrant and fun like she know how to player,
Speaker 1: who know UM and just like the really a life
Speaker 1: of the party kind of person. But UM, she had
Speaker 1: in her past had some very violent relationships and it
Speaker 1: wasn't just one. And so what I started to talk
Speaker 1: about more than the night that she lost her life
Speaker 1: with things that I was present too, and I was
Speaker 1: there when things happened to her that were horrifying, and
Speaker 1: it did make me wonder about safety as a woman
Speaker 1: and all of those things. Oh yeah, yeah. What's what's
Speaker 1: your experience been like, you know, hosting the Tamarin Holshi,
Speaker 1: What's been the biggest challenge? Oh? Standing standing up for yourself,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean we all have shows that we
Speaker 1: had ideas that we want to do and then people
Speaker 1: start coming in the room, they try to change you
Speaker 1: or change how you handle the show or what I
Speaker 1: think that I'm I'm happy that I have the show
Speaker 1: now in that my back was against the wall when
Speaker 1: I started it, so I navigate more strategically and more confidently.
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is, sometimes people don't agree
Speaker 1: with decisions that are made. I stand up for myself.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to shrink down, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to I went into rooms with people and fought for
Speaker 1: this show to be on TV, so I'm not going
Speaker 1: to lean out of that for anybody. But I'm always
Speaker 1: open to ideas. But the hardest part, really, other than
Speaker 1: a global pandemic, has been just expectations, right, um, expectations
Speaker 1: of myself and what I have of my staff. And
Speaker 1: when you talk about double standards, when you boss up
Speaker 1: in that way, oh my gosh, you're all types of
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I read things. It's an ongoing joke now
Speaker 1: with me and my team. I walk in, I go,
Speaker 1: am I scary as they say, I am there. I
Speaker 1: learned by the second season. I just learned that it
Speaker 1: was a template, right, this is what they do. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now the show is popular, she's out there. What are
Speaker 1: we gonna say? Difficult, angry? This that toxic blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, to someone working as hard
Speaker 1: as we do may be their definition of toxic. I
Speaker 1: don't know. So I would never tell someone how to feel,
Speaker 1: and if that's how you feel, I always listen to
Speaker 1: the staff. I'm there to have the conversation. But if
Speaker 1: you believe that we're going to give our audience a
Speaker 1: product that is beneath them, we're not doing that. I
Speaker 1: mean we call our audience the tam Fam. I work
Speaker 1: every day to make sure that when a guest like
Speaker 1: you come, I said, Charlemagne's coming out, I don't want
Speaker 1: people just to think that he is a shock jock
Speaker 1: or whatever their perception. He has layers. He's a husband,
Speaker 1: he's a dad. That's why we brought you on on
Speaker 1: the show that you were on, because I said in
Speaker 1: a room and said, he's not one dimensional. I don't
Speaker 1: want him on for two minutes to come on and
Speaker 1: talk about some headline that he said this about somebody
Speaker 1: and got into it or somebody. No, I want the
Speaker 1: audience to know him. You know, people still come up
Speaker 1: to me now and talk to me about that episode
Speaker 1: episode about mental health people, I mean random people an airport.
Speaker 1: I saw you want tammeron hall talking about mental health. Well,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Because I actually had and i'll take you
Speaker 1: behind the scene. I had not a clash, but I
Speaker 1: had to sit down a producer and say, this is
Speaker 1: what we're doing with him, because it was important to
Speaker 1: show you as the multidimensional human being that you are
Speaker 1: not Oh this guy on the radio that I may
Speaker 1: or may not have heard of. You are internationally famous.
Speaker 1: This show is internationally known. But that said, everybody don't
Speaker 1: know you. So you got to take them through the journey.
Speaker 1: And so for me, that was important. Now, that might
Speaker 1: have been a hard segment for that producer because it
Speaker 1: took more time, but it paid off and they loved
Speaker 1: the segment, and I was happy. You love the segment
Speaker 1: and the audience resonated. So you know nothing. You don't
Speaker 1: get to do something easy and just expect there to
Speaker 1: be rewards. You got, I know, you got to know
Speaker 1: the man who would have jumped in the ocean for me.
Speaker 1: You know how to swim. Now, so you don't know
Speaker 1: you think you would take you to get We just
Speaker 1: don't know. Why don't you said something earlier, fools and
Speaker 1: we'll punk him, like, what's that show? You said something
Speaker 1: earlier that made me think because you said it was
Speaker 1: something about loving fear, and I was like, well, what
Speaker 1: if fear overpowers love? I think it's better to be feared.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying in that moment, you could love this person.
Speaker 1: Quit trying to make excuse saying. It's just like, we
Speaker 1: need to hear both sides. You need to hear an
Speaker 1: objective journalists, an opinion journalist. What other what could he
Speaker 1: tell you? I was terrified that jumping in as a
Speaker 1: trained lifeguard to save her, he didn't even have to
Speaker 1: go reach for me. Maybe just peddle around me and say, babe,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. You're they're gonna pull you out.
Speaker 1: What if you threw a rope? Rope, go get your
Speaker 1: If it throws a rope, okay, I'm gonna wrap it
Speaker 1: around my waistingle pull in, no damn it before you leave.
Speaker 1: I had one more question, because if you know you're
Speaker 1: looking at your wife, I'm not looking at my watch
Speaker 1: my husband. Call um. So what do you do when
Speaker 1: somebody tells you there's a guest coming on and they
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about a certain topic, right right?
Speaker 1: Do you? Oh? I think about that? I do, because,
Speaker 1: for example, some guests don't like talking about Exus and
Speaker 1: naring the current relationship. I agree with that. I would
Speaker 1: never have DJ in beyond about another relationship because he's
Speaker 1: not his wife is there. I always tell people like
Speaker 1: they'll have a we'll have a guest on and they'll say,
Speaker 1: let's ask about you know the man she dated three
Speaker 1: years ago that happened to be famous or whatever, And
Speaker 1: I said, but she's not with him. Now. Imagine going
Speaker 1: to a dinner party and I ask you in front
Speaker 1: of your new guy about the guy three times back.
Speaker 1: That's rude. And so I feel like there's got to
Speaker 1: be some decency for me, right, And I don't want
Speaker 1: anybody to feel ambushed. I mean, we had Andrew gillam on.
Speaker 1: I mean that was a top one, and people were
Speaker 1: mad that I didn't say, well, are you gay? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, why did I need to ask that question?
Speaker 1: That wasn't He told me what he wanted me to know, right,
Speaker 1: And I can still do a thoughtful interview. There are
Speaker 1: certain things that I'm happy we didn't talk about here
Speaker 1: because it's just I'm not afraid of any answer. But
Speaker 1: we know we live in a clickbait world, right, and
Speaker 1: so you both are going to be guests on my
Speaker 1: show very soon. I could have my team dig up
Speaker 1: all kinds of well once I read on the Shade
Speaker 1: Room and I saw this, and dada, what purpose does
Speaker 1: that serve any of us? So for me, I want
Speaker 1: you to feel safe. I want you to feel that
Speaker 1: there's grace and mistakes. That's why I said with Nick
Speaker 1: Cannon being able to get back on air, he deserved
Speaker 1: that shot. I want to interview Kanye West. I don't
Speaker 1: agree with some of the incoming traffic that's coming his way.
Speaker 1: I think people deserve grace. I think they deserve space.
Speaker 1: But that said, when you have a high profile individual,
Speaker 1: they should be prepared to answer tough question. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought you gave Andrew a lot of grace and I
Speaker 1: liked how you handled that because it didn't feel exploitive.
Speaker 1: And that's what I don't want to do right. And
Speaker 1: even when people and you guys do a great job,
Speaker 1: when folks come in here and they're in the midst
Speaker 1: of a scandal, they should be prepared. Oprah says, you
Speaker 1: cannot tell me what to ask you. You are in
Speaker 1: charge of how you answer, and so I always come
Speaker 1: in knowing that people might ask me something that I'm
Speaker 1: not like I don't fully talk about Prince for a
Speaker 1: lot of reasons, but I don't. But I'm always prepared
Speaker 1: for it, so they should be prepared. We're big kids,
Speaker 1: We're on a big stage. You got a big stage,
Speaker 1: and if you want to stand on that stage, you
Speaker 1: got to be ready for the questions. And so that's
Speaker 1: how I approached the show. Some people have been nasty
Speaker 1: about it, and I just decline their appearance. I just say,
Speaker 1: we can't. We can negotiate. And some people will say, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't talk about it for legal reasons. I know
Speaker 1: when they're not telling the truth about that, and I'll say, okay,
Speaker 1: well what about this. But if there's a hard knowing,
Speaker 1: it's important to the audience to know, and I would
Speaker 1: rather pass. And I have said, come back when you're
Speaker 1: ready to talk. Okay, And congratulations on everything too, myst
Speaker 1: seasons and new show Sunday Nights, Sunday nights, UM and
Speaker 1: TV Sport TV. I'm super excited about that, the Tamerin
Speaker 1: Hall Show, the book. But again, thank you guys. As
Speaker 1: my first time, I was a little bit nervous, really
Speaker 1: not scared, nervous because none of you would jump in
Speaker 1: the water to say, man, I knew that I can't
Speaker 1: smell yo. Well I'm happy because now I called Night
Speaker 1: one one and be like, there's gonna be a number.
Speaker 1: We're in the middle of Mexico and the ocean. All
Speaker 1: I can do angel I love you. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: on my show soon. DJ Envy Charlamagne come back anytime.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and please do not start any
Speaker 1: static with me and Nick Cannon. I have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with that. Whatever comes to this will this. All
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Speaker 1: goes to John F. Kennedy Middle School in Connecticut, in particular,
Speaker 1: a teacher name Bree Wharton. She's the district's health and
Speaker 1: physical education coordinator, and superintendent Christopher Dreesick I think I'm
Speaker 1: for nothing his last name right now. I have extreme
Speaker 1: love for public school team, just dropping the clues bombs
Speaker 1: for all the public school teams shot down because my
Speaker 1: mother has been a public school teacher in South Carolina
Speaker 1: for as long as I've been alive, and I understand
Speaker 1: the impact that public school teachers have on kids. And
Speaker 1: I know how hard that job is because you have
Speaker 1: to truly love it because it's not like to pay
Speaker 1: as your incentive. I mean, you have to really care
Speaker 1: for these kids in their well being. Lesson plans, assignments,
Speaker 1: all of these things teachers come up with the educate kids.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you dropping another clul's bomb for teachers man,
Speaker 1: public school teachers. We know it's not easy and in
Speaker 1: this era of social media, video games, all types of
Speaker 1: things just pulling at these kids attention, cutting through to
Speaker 1: these children and creating things that can actually appeal to
Speaker 1: these kids is tough. So I'm not judging, okay, but
Speaker 1: as a parent of a middle schooler, I would be
Speaker 1: concerned about this lesson plan that came out of JFK
Speaker 1: Middle School. I'm holding it in my hand right now, okay,
Speaker 1: And the title is Pizza in Consent. Okay. Basically, kids
Speaker 1: at JFK Middle School in Connecticut were instructed to use
Speaker 1: pizza as a metaphor for sex and ask to site
Speaker 1: their favorite toppings. For example, cheese was for kissing and
Speaker 1: olives were forgiving oral Basically, they compared ordering a pizza
Speaker 1: to receiving consent. I guess I can't make this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff up. Listen to Eric Sanzi, director of outreach
Speaker 1: for Parents Defending Education. She did an interview with ABC
Speaker 1: seven KATV to describe the assignment. The assignment started out
Speaker 1: with a sentence that said, yes, pizza can be a
Speaker 1: metaphor for sex, and then it went on to explain
Speaker 1: that just like when friends have to agree on pizza
Speaker 1: toppings when they're sharing a pizza, that people need to
Speaker 1: agree on what they're willing to do and not do
Speaker 1: in terms of consent, and so they decided to have
Speaker 1: the students list their sexual likes and dislikes and then
Speaker 1: draw them on a pizza as pizza toppings. Now, again,
Speaker 1: these are eighth graders, and it's important to keep in
Speaker 1: mind under fifteen percent of eighth graders have had sex.
Speaker 1: So they're being asked very personal questions on a topic
Speaker 1: that many of them are totally inexperienced with and likely
Speaker 1: uncomfortable talking about in school. This is middle school. How
Speaker 1: many topics do you think I've had them on pizza
Speaker 1: in middle school? Now? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but
Speaker 1: I enjoy a great conspiracy theory, and Pizza Gate was
Speaker 1: a great conspiracy theory. You remember pizza Gate, don't you?
Speaker 1: Had a false allegation that the Clinton's used the comic
Speaker 1: Ping Pong pizza restaurant and Washington, DC is a front
Speaker 1: for a pedophile sex ring in the back room was
Speaker 1: supposedly used for kidnapping and kidnapping and trafficking children. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: of course all of this was proven to be false,
Speaker 1: but it made a lot of noise, all right. The
Speaker 1: owner of Ping Pong and his staff received death threats.
Speaker 1: People protested outside of the restaurant. A guy actually went
Speaker 1: in the restaurant and fired a gun at an employee.
Speaker 1: See these fake stories be having real world consequences. Okay,
Speaker 1: people believe these conspiracy theories, and when you promote these
Speaker 1: false and reckless conspiracy theories, bad things happen. I'm saying
Speaker 1: all that to say JFK Middle School in Connecticut has
Speaker 1: done nothing but contributed to that conspiracy theory. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if Pizza Gate is still a thing, but
Speaker 1: this right here is going to resurrect it. All right. Listen,
Speaker 1: My daughter is in a grade she's thirteen. These kids
Speaker 1: are watching shows like Euphoria. These kids have social media.
Speaker 1: These kids talk amongst each other. Do you remember when
Speaker 1: you were thirteen, twelve, eleven, whatever age we were in
Speaker 1: middle school, we was already talking about sex in the
Speaker 1: real way. So I can only imagine with all our
Speaker 1: access these kids have now what their conversations are like.
Speaker 1: So you don't need stunch like this. Just talk to
Speaker 1: the kids. Okay, let's talk to them, all right, listen,
Speaker 1: let me let me reach out some of this. This
Speaker 1: is why they use the metaphor for sex, they say.
Speaker 1: When you order your pizza with friends, everyone checks in
Speaker 1: about each other's preferences. Some people might be vegan, some
Speaker 1: people might be gluten free. Others might love pineapple while
Speaker 1: others prefer pepperoni. Some might not like pizza at all.
Speaker 1: If you're a vegetarian but your friend is a meat lover,
Speaker 1: sharing a pizza is gonna bring up a lot of issues.
Speaker 1: You don't know who you can share your pizza with
Speaker 1: unless you ask, Okay, didn't they say the same goals
Speaker 1: with sex? No? What are he talking about the metaphor?
Speaker 1: To make no s the correlation makes no sense. You
Speaker 1: have to check in with your partners and ask for
Speaker 1: their preferences. Your partner might be comfortable with one sexual
Speaker 1: activity but not another. Maybe your partners only want to
Speaker 1: be touched a certain way, or maybe your partners prefer
Speaker 1: to use certain language, or maybe they don't want to
Speaker 1: have sex at all. You'll never know your wants, desires,
Speaker 1: and you'll never know if your wants, desires, and boundaries
Speaker 1: are compatible with theirs unless you ask. No, I don't
Speaker 1: want y'all asking my daughter about any of that? And
Speaker 1: once again, furthermore, how many toppings do you think these
Speaker 1: kids have had in middle school? Middle school? I would
Speaker 1: hope these kids are virgins. Okay, just playing cheese pizzas
Speaker 1: matter of fact, No cheese, no tomato, sauce, just raw dough.
Speaker 1: You know that hasn't even been putting up in yet.
Speaker 1: All right. Amanda, who is a parent from that school district,
Speaker 1: took to social media to express her discuss with the assignment.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Amanda. Just last week, a school assignment
Speaker 1: and JFK label pizza in content were sent out for students.
Speaker 1: What's pizza got to do with it? You wonder we
Speaker 1: can use pizza as a metaphor for sex. Those are
Speaker 1: the first two lines of this assignment, which are centered
Speaker 1: around established consent and boundaries, except for page two, where
Speaker 1: it takes it one step further in states. Now that
Speaker 1: you know the metaphor for sex, let's explore your preference,
Speaker 1: draw and color your favorite type of pizza. Mirror these
Speaker 1: preferences in relation to sex. Here are some examples, like
Speaker 1: cheese equals kissing, dislikes olives equals giving oral Since one
Speaker 1: has become acceptable for a teacher to ask a student
Speaker 1: what their sexual wants desires and boundaries are Maybe our
Speaker 1: board members would like to answer this assignment and share
Speaker 1: their thoughts, just like our eighth grade students were requested
Speaker 1: to do. Now, of course, the school is currently backtracking.
Speaker 1: Superintendent Christopher Dreesy says it was a mistake and the
Speaker 1: assignment had been inadvertently sent to the students. Basically, they
Speaker 1: are claiming they sent the pizza to the wronghouse, okay,
Speaker 1: he said. While the assignment was inappropriate, there was no
Speaker 1: hidden agenda. He said while addressing the parents, there was
Speaker 1: no secret cabal to indoctrinate kids on something. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you, man, if you know you have to explain
Speaker 1: that there's no secret cabal to indoctrinate kids. If a
Speaker 1: school superintendent has to explain that, all right, then my
Speaker 1: kids might be in the wrong school, all right. An
Speaker 1: explanation like that is just I don't know, man. I
Speaker 1: just feel like this assignment is prompting kids to become
Speaker 1: sexually active before their time. And what does pizza have
Speaker 1: to do with consent? I still don't even know that,
Speaker 1: all right. Choosing what to put on your pizza when
Speaker 1: you are ordering with a group, it's hard enough by itself. Now,
Speaker 1: you're trying to make it a metaphor for sex, and
Speaker 1: even after it's been explained, I still don't know what
Speaker 1: any of this has to do with consent. All right,
Speaker 1: Just talk to these kids. They're young adults. Speak to
Speaker 1: them as such. I promise they can handle it. But
Speaker 1: pizza as a metaphor for consent, they cannot. And what's
Speaker 1: the topic for antal? Please give John F. Kennedy Middle
Speaker 1: School in Connecticut the bigga. See huh, my kids ain't
Speaker 1: eating pizza no more. That's what you got out of that.
Speaker 1: That's what you got out of that. Out of it
Speaker 1: as you got out of that all day long. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club, Kylie one O five one, The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: Your mornings will never be the same morning everybody is
Speaker 1: DJ Envy Angela shown them and the guy we are
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the building,
Speaker 1: Ricky Lake, the Legend, the legend. You're too kind, Good morning,
Speaker 1: Nice to see you. Ah well, funny you should mentioned
Speaker 1: that I'm doing a new show where I'm doing a
Speaker 1: podcast with my old show called Raised by Everybody. Ricky, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think? I think that's a great idea.
Speaker 1: I'm I just realized what the concept is just now
Speaker 1: when you said it, because I just thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be. You know, you're doing a podcast, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about current events, but you're reliving the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go back in time and break down these
Speaker 1: episodes because you know, lemon on a Media is an
Speaker 1: amazing podcast company. These women are badasses, and they approached me,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've been asked to do a podcast,
Speaker 1: as everyone has over the years, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, we to Abby Epstein, my partner, and I
Speaker 1: want to talk about it, my filmmaking partner. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy she's here. But no, this concept something about you know,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's a thirty This year's thirty years
Speaker 1: that I did the pilot of The Ricky Lations. So
Speaker 1: I was twenty three years old when I did the pilot.
Speaker 1: I'm now fifty three, so you know, it was really
Speaker 1: interesting to me. I think what we were able to
Speaker 1: do back then. I didn't think of it at the
Speaker 1: time is groundbreaking. But the issues we were able to
Speaker 1: cover the way we treated gay people, the way we
Speaker 1: treated mixed race couples, the way we treat you know,
Speaker 1: it was just we covered a lot of bases, and
Speaker 1: I think it'll be really interesting to go back with
Speaker 1: the lens of now where we are now, Have we
Speaker 1: made progress? Have we gone backwards? And we're going to
Speaker 1: have a co host that's gen Z, that's probably you know,
Speaker 1: someone who's non binary, is certainly a person of color
Speaker 1: and who didn't grow up with me, and kind of
Speaker 1: tell the story and bring back old guests, old experts,
Speaker 1: and I think it'll be a lot of fun. You
Speaker 1: know what I love about shows like Rickey Lake, even
Speaker 1: Donna Hue back in the day, even early Oprah, y'all
Speaker 1: sat down with people you had differences with. You sat
Speaker 1: down people you may not have agreed with. Nowadays, if
Speaker 1: you do that, they'll call you problematic. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: understand that. I don't either, I mean, and that's why
Speaker 1: I'm glad I don't have the show that I had
Speaker 1: back then. Now it just feels like you're walking on eggshells.
Speaker 1: No matter what you do, you're gonna piss someone off.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, I just think it's it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: cool experiment. I mean, I think we're all nostalgic for
Speaker 1: that time, the nineties and I'm up for it. No,
Speaker 1: I'd love to see you and you'll do that. I
Speaker 1: would love to see that. I'd love to see anything.
Speaker 1: Before we didn't ask one question, how are you? I'm
Speaker 1: amazing the best me I have ever been, you know,
Speaker 1: which is like I did that show and my name
Speaker 1: was on the rug and I didn't really have a
Speaker 1: sense of who I was. And I think in making
Speaker 1: these documentaries that I've been making with that be for
Speaker 1: more than fifteen years, I've really come into a place
Speaker 1: of like knowing my voice and what I believe in
Speaker 1: and what I stand for. And I've now, you know,
Speaker 1: gone dark. I lost my partner five years ago to
Speaker 1: my olarn suicide, but I've now five years later, met
Speaker 1: the man of my dreams and I just got married
Speaker 1: two months ago. I'm congress. I live in my best life.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. How are you happy? I'm so good.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be with this woman. We just
Speaker 1: had our double feature premiere last night and we watched
Speaker 1: this movie we made fourteen years ago in the same
Speaker 1: theater that it premiered in at the IFC Center, Business
Speaker 1: of Being Born, and we just both sat there with
Speaker 1: my son who's now fifteen who was born in the
Speaker 1: movie Wow, and like we had chills the whole time,
Speaker 1: you know, because we were watching this going I can't
Speaker 1: believe that we made this in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: It still holds up. It was powerful. If from the beginning,
Speaker 1: before you guys met what made you start the Rickey
Speaker 1: Lake Show? You were only twenty four years old? What's said?
Speaker 1: What made you think this is what I want to do?
Speaker 1: You want to the honest truth. Absolutely, it was the
Speaker 1: job that came along. Honestly, I had been a guest.
Speaker 1: I don't you guys are younger than me, but I well,
Speaker 1: I'm fifty three and I was I did Okay, I
Speaker 1: did Hairspray when I was eighteen, and Ian David Letterman
Speaker 1: was a big fan of John Waters, and so he
Speaker 1: would have me on over and over again, kind of
Speaker 1: like Sandra Bernhard back then. And it was from those
Speaker 1: appearances that they thought of me. They were this guy
Speaker 1: garth Ans here. It was a kind of media whiz.
Speaker 1: He wanted to do a younger show because he looked
Speaker 1: at Oprah and Donahue and they were skewing over fifty five.
Speaker 1: So they wanted to do something to skew towards younger women,
Speaker 1: primarily women eighteen to thirty four, eighteen to forty nine.
Speaker 1: So they went on a search and I was one
Speaker 1: of a hundred women at that time. I went and
Speaker 1: flirted with three gay guys. I didn't know they were gay,
Speaker 1: but I just brought out my skills and they gave
Speaker 1: me the pilot and I was like so broke. At
Speaker 1: that time, I was living in a poolhouse in the
Speaker 1: valley north of Victory, if anybody knows where that is.
Speaker 1: No one spoke English, and I know, I was kind
Speaker 1: of couldn't get my agent to call me back. And
Speaker 1: I got this opportunity. I was like, all right, I'll
Speaker 1: do it. Five thousand dollars. I needed my rent paid
Speaker 1: for a year, and I'll do it for that. Luckily,
Speaker 1: we renegotiated and it turned into this phenomenon and it
Speaker 1: wasn't a calculated move. Every step of my career, including
Speaker 1: the business of being born, is never coming from a
Speaker 1: place of like seeing the big picture. It's really about,
Speaker 1: all right, that sounds good, I could do it. So
Speaker 1: I think I have this confidence in me and also
Speaker 1: this like naivete, you know, and it's worked out. You
Speaker 1: got five thou Well, yeah, yeah, I did. But the
Speaker 1: first season, so then my agent did get involved and
Speaker 1: they packaged the show first, No, the pilot, the pilot
Speaker 1: was initially that was my opening bid was I'll do
Speaker 1: it for five thousand dollars. And then the first year,
Speaker 1: you know, at my salary, I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the first year the show
Speaker 1: was such a huge success. This is nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: they gave me a bonus of a half million dollars. Wow. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: a lot of money in ninety three. A lot of
Speaker 1: that was a lot of money for real, Like I
Speaker 1: was broke. I my house was for clothes at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was needing that money. And it was you know
Speaker 1: that show it was I mean, it was just my life.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have the concept, like I'm twenty four
Speaker 1: years old. I don't even know who I am, you
Speaker 1: know who, like the audacity to get on that stage
Speaker 1: and moderate these panels. But I think looking back at it,
Speaker 1: I was I was the perfect kind of person for
Speaker 1: that role because I was a good listener. You know.
Speaker 1: It was very fourth coming about my own you know, hardshifts.
Speaker 1: I'm curious I'm so fascinated by people. I don't judge people,
Speaker 1: and so I think you're so real. You're so real.
Speaker 1: Anybody who meets Ricky, any of my friends, but anyone
Speaker 1: wh meets Ricky in five minutes, they go that woman
Speaker 1: has the biggest heart. She's just so real. Like you
Speaker 1: don't meet a lot of celebrities that are like that,
Speaker 1: anti celebrity quality, And I think that's really what worked
Speaker 1: on that show. The show was a party, you know.
Speaker 1: It was just like you know, the people that came
Speaker 1: to our show, they waited months and months and months
Speaker 1: to get tickets back then, and you know, it was
Speaker 1: always surprising. I mean, it was a little formulaic. I
Speaker 1: have to admit, like I knew, you know, I knew
Speaker 1: from the names I could tell, Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: black story. The first guests. The first guests were always
Speaker 1: the most outrageous, you know, and then we'd have the
Speaker 1: white story and then we you know, we'd balance it out.
Speaker 1: But I feel like we we did do a lot
Speaker 1: of good, like we you know, we we definitely saw
Speaker 1: people and many times that they're worst, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I treated everyone equally. I treated everyone with compassion,
Speaker 1: and it was a good time. Did you said something
Speaker 1: earlier that was interesting? You said, um, you know, you
Speaker 1: said a lot right about what women had to go
Speaker 1: through because you're obviously talented. But you said you had
Speaker 1: to flirt with the executives. Kid, I didn't. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was a prerequisite. It was just my It
Speaker 1: was my m o. I mean wa, I wasn't even
Speaker 1: like I was, you know, very like heavy set, and
Speaker 1: I you know, wore a big flower hat probably. I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't have a really a game. I didn't
Speaker 1: have any game back then, but I knew how to
Speaker 1: be charming and appealing and it worked. It worked in
Speaker 1: my favor. But um, yeah, that's the only game I know.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, how did you guys me business?
Speaker 1: How was that so funny? You tell them? Okay, So
Speaker 1: I was directing a show. Do you remember the show
Speaker 1: The Vagina Monologues. Yeah? Yeah, do you remember that? That
Speaker 1: was also like started in the in the They made
Speaker 1: an HBO. Yeah, it filded a special, but it was
Speaker 1: a play off Broadway ran for a really long time. Um,
Speaker 1: and so originally we had three actresses that would rotate
Speaker 1: every two weeks. So every two weeks, three celebrities would
Speaker 1: come in and I would put them into the play.
Speaker 1: And Ricky came in one week, and like I said,
Speaker 1: she's so real, you know, like most of these celebrities,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I don't really want to
Speaker 1: get drinks with them after. I just want to do
Speaker 1: my job and go home. And then Ricky and I
Speaker 1: rode the bus home together and she just had me
Speaker 1: on the floor, like she just had me at hello.
Speaker 1: And so we met and then I guess this was
Speaker 1: like years later. We met in like ninety nine or
Speaker 1: two thousand. I got pregnant with my second son, and
Speaker 1: then I was wanting a home birth, like I was
Speaker 1: getting educated about my options, and so I was telling
Speaker 1: her and she's like, you're crazy, You're crazy, You're crazy.
Speaker 1: And then I got to vote. Nine to eleven was
Speaker 1: a huge turning point for me. Where I was living
Speaker 1: downtown and I, you know, I thought we were going
Speaker 1: to die. I watched the second plane hit the building,
Speaker 1: and I in that moment of being on the roof
Speaker 1: of my building with my four year old and I
Speaker 1: had a two month old at the time, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving if I get out of this, you know, alive,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving New York. I'm leaving this job, and I'm
Speaker 1: leaving this man. And I moved to LA It took
Speaker 1: a year and a half. I had to finish my contract.
Speaker 1: I didn't end up quitting my show per se, but
Speaker 1: I ended I didn't renew my contract that back then,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to start a new life. And that's
Speaker 1: when I started soul searching about where I what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do, where I can make a difference. And
Speaker 1: we made the business of being born. But you know,
Speaker 1: I had her come out. I said, you got to
Speaker 1: come out and see my fast house in Brentwood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and see my new life. Yeah. I'd like basically stopped
Speaker 1: at her new house on my way back to lax
Speaker 1: miss my flight because we started talking and I had
Speaker 1: made one documentary at that point about violence against women,
Speaker 1: and I knew how to roughly make a documentary. And
Speaker 1: she was like, I have this idea for this project.
Speaker 1: It's about midwiffery and home birth. And I was like,
Speaker 1: this does not sound commercial, this does not sound like
Speaker 1: a like a hot seller. I had no idea what
Speaker 1: a midwife was. And then she whipped out her little
Speaker 1: video care for my nine hour home birth video on
Speaker 1: my little you know, cam quarter and I gave it
Speaker 1: to her and I said, here, I hadn't even watched it.
Speaker 1: I gave it to her and gave her a couple
Speaker 1: of books, and she came back and she goes, I
Speaker 1: think we can make a documentary. And then the magic
Speaker 1: of this film it took three half years to make
Speaker 1: because she got pregnant two years into making of the film,
Speaker 1: and then her story, her dramatic story of her birth,
Speaker 1: is in the yes to the end of the film.
Speaker 1: That was intense last night when we were watching it
Speaker 1: again and Ricky's there with her new husband, Ross, who's
Speaker 1: never seen the movie. I'm there with my son who's
Speaker 1: born in the movie, who's never seen the movie. My
Speaker 1: ex is sitting in front of me. It was like
Speaker 1: and he shot the movie, and it was really intense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we both we both give birth essentially
Speaker 1: in that movie. So it's a really rare kind of
Speaker 1: documentary where it's a personal piece about the filmmakers and
Speaker 1: then it's also like a very political piece and it's
Speaker 1: still so relevant to come out, oh three and a
Speaker 1: half years, oh, because that's how long they make this one.
Speaker 1: That we just released last night. The Business would Be
Speaker 1: of birth Control took seven years? Seven how long? We
Speaker 1: started it in twenty fifteen because twenty fifteen, first of all,
Speaker 1: you guys, nobody wants to give you any money to
Speaker 1: talk about and especially if you're like, oh, we want
Speaker 1: to talk about women's health. Uh, yeah, we want to
Speaker 1: talk about like how crappy the birth control pill is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to fund that. I mean
Speaker 1: it's controversial. Um, there's no celebrity in it, and big
Speaker 1: Pharma has their hands on everything. So for us to
Speaker 1: get into sort of mainstream media, there's all this backlash.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, you're not Jesse coach. Jesse's I know,
Speaker 1: friend of the your show, and she's she's heavily in
Speaker 1: our film, she's in the movie. We love her, but
Speaker 1: like this message, it's like Netflix, HBO, They're not going
Speaker 1: to make this movie with us. There's no way with
Speaker 1: what we want to say in the business of birth control,
Speaker 1: There's no way. So, you know, you start in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: you do a Kickstarter, you get a little chunk of money,
Speaker 1: you make a sizzle reel, you know, you just it's
Speaker 1: like and then we did this movie weed the people
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, so we had like another movie in
Speaker 1: the middle of the movie that's about cannabis. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: about cannabis and children with cancer. And then so yeah,
Speaker 1: just it takes a while. And also because like when
Speaker 1: you're making these films, these films take so much work, right,
Speaker 1: but they're also your side hustle in a way, like
Speaker 1: nobody's paying you, you know at the time, so you're
Speaker 1: just like working on them when you can. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: just like passion project or passion there for sure, they
Speaker 1: always come out at the right time. Like I think
Speaker 1: the business of birth control releasing now, like this is
Speaker 1: the moment for it. Yeah, especially with women's you know,
Speaker 1: reproductive rights, you know, being script away. Everybody's gop people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so what is the business of birth control?
Speaker 1: We well, what in the same way did you ever
Speaker 1: see the business of being born? No, I haven't. I
Speaker 1: urge you too, because it's really you know, we take
Speaker 1: a hard look at what birth, you know, the birthing world,
Speaker 1: the medical system when it comes to birth, and the
Speaker 1: same thing we look at the pill, the history of
Speaker 1: the pill, the racist piece of it. Did you know
Speaker 1: that they tested you tell they tested the drug the Pill,
Speaker 1: initially on black and brown women in Puerto Ricoh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's sort of like you can equate the business of
Speaker 1: birth control to in a way, the opiate epidemic. You know,
Speaker 1: it's really profits over people. Um, it's the way, you know,
Speaker 1: we know women's bodies have been co opted and controlled
Speaker 1: and exploited for years. So, like Ricky was saying, the
Speaker 1: film covers a lot of grounds. It's truly mind blowing.
Speaker 1: I think people sit there for ninety minutes and they're like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of this shit, Like I literally
Speaker 1: didn't know anything in your movie. So one thing is
Speaker 1: we look at some of the products that are out there,
Speaker 1: like maneuver ring that's had a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: women die on it, and you never hear about any
Speaker 1: of it. You never hear about any of it because
Speaker 1: you get gag orders when you accept settlements. So when
Speaker 1: the drug company settles with all these victims, they're then
Speaker 1: not allowed to do any promotion. So the stories in
Speaker 1: our film are the families who wouldn't settle, They didn't
Speaker 1: take the money because they want to change the labeling
Speaker 1: on these products. They don't want other girls to die.
Speaker 1: So we tell that story. And then, like Ricky was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, we look back in time over the way
Speaker 1: birth control has been tied into eugenics, the way that
Speaker 1: it's always been used to you know, weaponize basically against
Speaker 1: communities of color. How obstetrics was literally founded on slavery
Speaker 1: in Africa, the pill was tested on women in Puerto Rico,
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. And then we also
Speaker 1: look at in a positive way. You know, we look
Speaker 1: at this new generation that does not want to take
Speaker 1: the pill that their grandmothers took. Um. They're woke, they're ecological,
Speaker 1: they don't want to put you know, hormones, yeah, and
Speaker 1: acrin disruptors in their body. And so if the pharmaceutical
Speaker 1: companies aren't going to come along with like healthier options,
Speaker 1: they're going to make them up. You know, we're going
Speaker 1: to invent them. So you look at all these cool
Speaker 1: femtech entrepreneurs. And in a way, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: the younger generation, it's like they're they're kind of a
Speaker 1: do it yourself generation. They're not going to rely on
Speaker 1: these big companies. And so, you know, we look at
Speaker 1: all the innovation that's happening, which is super cool. Didn't
Speaker 1: explore any of Margaret Sanger Oh yeah, okay, ok oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and that happened during the making the film. It happened
Speaker 1: during the film, which was interesting. Yeah, so we originally
Speaker 1: I remember, like Gloria Steinham's on early cut, and you know,
Speaker 1: everyone was worried about that Margaret sang her legacy, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're going to take her down. I think we're really
Speaker 1: fair to her in the movie. But then at the
Speaker 1: end of the movie, we show an update about how
Speaker 1: Plan Parenthood New York City took her name off the clinic,
Speaker 1: so you know that it's not so like they Plan
Speaker 1: parent finally had to come out and say, you know,
Speaker 1: let's be transparent, like we cannot be identified with our founder.
Speaker 1: So again, that's why I think the timing of the
Speaker 1: movie was so good, because I think having that conversation
Speaker 1: about Margaret sang Her five years ago it happened like
Speaker 1: we would have gotten a lot of pushback. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: wife doesn't like brok control. That's why I get a
Speaker 1: vasectomina because we just had a four of dogs. She's
Speaker 1: six months old. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, she's refused
Speaker 1: to get back on broke control because it makes us sick.
Speaker 1: She hates it. Yeah, it's awful, Like all the options
Speaker 1: are terrible. And you go out there and talk to
Speaker 1: anybody and they will tell you their birth control ernie,
Speaker 1: and they'll tell you every product they used and how
Speaker 1: depressed it made them, or how they lost their sex drive,
Speaker 1: or how they got In my case, I mean, I
Speaker 1: had hair loss. I don't know if you know, I
Speaker 1: was stealing my hair is pretty much it came back.
Speaker 1: But well that's part of it. I think it's a
Speaker 1: lot of things. I was putting extensions in my hair,
Speaker 1: I was coloring my hair. I was stressed about my hair.
Speaker 1: I have androw genetic alopecia, which is the you know,
Speaker 1: genetic hair loss over years. Yeah, it was all above,
Speaker 1: but definitely mess with your hormones. Think about it, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's like what we say in the film, it's
Speaker 1: like sometimes now these kids are getting put on twelve
Speaker 1: thirteen years old for acne, for cramps, you know, like
Speaker 1: you'll see with your daughters. It's like you you got
Speaker 1: to make these decisions right when you have like a
Speaker 1: thirteen year old, fourteen year old that's like, oh, but
Speaker 1: my period cramps are so bad, and then the doctor saying, well,
Speaker 1: just put her on the pill. That'll take care of everything.
Speaker 1: That's how they treat everything, and um, and that's that's
Speaker 1: not going to cut it. That's not gonna cut it
Speaker 1: for the new generation. So I think it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: two things. One is, they're a lot of things that
Speaker 1: people are getting put on the pill four that have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with birth control, right, acne, fiooids, pcos right.
Speaker 1: So we need actual treatments for these conditions. We need studies, yeah,
Speaker 1: on women studies, Yeah. And then you know, we need
Speaker 1: to be more educated about the menstrual cycle so that
Speaker 1: there's other ways to intervene and relieve cramps or whatever
Speaker 1: the issues are. Because what's happening is these girls are
Speaker 1: going on at like twelve, thirteen, fourteen, they're not really
Speaker 1: you know, they're hormones, they're not really developing. They're on
Speaker 1: something that's cut like basically putting them into menopause at thirteen,
Speaker 1: and they're not, and they're staying on it. Then they
Speaker 1: stay on it for maybe ten twenty years. I mean
Speaker 1: this drugs were not designed or FDA approved to be
Speaker 1: on for twenty interviews. Did you know that when you're
Speaker 1: on these drugs it changes your pheromones? Yes, changes who
Speaker 1: you're attracted to. They do this T shirt test that
Speaker 1: was out of what's Sweden or something Scotland, so it's
Speaker 1: actually your so your pheromones. You know, it's like how
Speaker 1: you you can smell out attraction, right, So you know
Speaker 1: how if you like have sex with certain people, you
Speaker 1: like their smell, you don't like their smell, right, that
Speaker 1: smell is actually giving your body information about their DNA.
Speaker 1: It's actually telling you whether you're going to make healthy
Speaker 1: offspring with that person who. And when you go on
Speaker 1: these birth control products, it takes that like animal sense offline,
Speaker 1: so you can't smell anymore. So they say, like for women,
Speaker 1: the line is you're going to be attracted to someone
Speaker 1: who's more like brother than other, so you're attracted to
Speaker 1: more maybe kind of feminine men. You know, men that
Speaker 1: aren't don't have that kind of opposite polarity. And so
Speaker 1: you hear this a lot anecdotally, right that women either
Speaker 1: go like are with a partner, decide they need some protection,
Speaker 1: go on the pill. Suddenly they're not attracted anymore, or
Speaker 1: the opposite, the opposite. When they go off to family Plan,
Speaker 1: they suddenly are not into their guy, are you're about
Speaker 1: to make YouTube conspiracy thing? YouTube conspiracy? So that can't
Speaker 1: even help you. It canna make you change. You do
Speaker 1: what gin do you like as well? No? No? Oh okay? Condition?
Speaker 1: So how did you get your hair back healthy? So
Speaker 1: I you okay? So I think it's a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't stress anymore. I mean when
Speaker 1: I shaved my head in grand fashion the turn of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I mean I did it in a way
Speaker 1: like can you curse on this show? Okay? I said,
Speaker 1: fuck it? Like I was so done with struggling about
Speaker 1: my hair. It was my deep dark secret. Every time
Speaker 1: I looked in the Mira could see my scalp, and
Speaker 1: it just it just drove me crazy, and the extensions
Speaker 1: were pulling. I'm sure many of your much of your
Speaker 1: audience knows what that's like. It's just it's just it
Speaker 1: was painful. And it was because I was a public figure,
Speaker 1: and because I'm so outspoken and honest and authentic. I
Speaker 1: this was this piece of myself that I was hiding,
Speaker 1: and I just decided, all right, I'm gonna rock a
Speaker 1: bald head. You know, I don't know how it's gonna look.
Speaker 1: My friends were telling me, don't worry, you can do.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to pull it off. And I
Speaker 1: just did it and gave up. And then I came
Speaker 1: into finding this product that I'm now an ambassador of.
Speaker 1: I've never taken an endorsement in my thirty plus year career.
Speaker 1: It's called her Clinic and it's a shampoo and extract
Speaker 1: and something about the fermentation. I can't explain it, but
Speaker 1: it's non toxic and it's helped my care to be
Speaker 1: as healthy as as it can be. Now you know
Speaker 1: where I'm going next. Were you offended by Chris rocks
Speaker 1: joke towards Jada Pink? I mean I was more offended
Speaker 1: by his actions. It's like it's by Will Smith's actions.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I used to say on my old show,
Speaker 1: violence is never the answer, and the fact that it
Speaker 1: went to that extreme, I mean, nothing, nothing that comes
Speaker 1: out of anyone's mouth justifies a physical altercation. But I
Speaker 1: also did feel for Jada in that moment because I
Speaker 1: would hate to be the butt of that joke if
Speaker 1: someone were. And that was one of my fears when
Speaker 1: I did shave my head like I didn't, I didn't
Speaker 1: know what the reaction would be and I couldn't think
Speaker 1: that far ahead. But I was so scared of people
Speaker 1: making fun of me or is calling me names. So
Speaker 1: I definitely definitely struck a nerve for me because I
Speaker 1: think women's suffering with that condition. Um, it's not funny
Speaker 1: if you yeah, no, no, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: to the story. I mean, we're all speculating, but I
Speaker 1: think there was a history with them and the oscars.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean I saw this morning
Speaker 1: that her her reaction to the slap. After the slap,
Speaker 1: she sort of smiled. I mean, we don't know, but
Speaker 1: I know for me personally, definitely a joke about a
Speaker 1: woman's hair loss is not is not funny. How have
Speaker 1: you been doing mentally? Because we talk about a lot
Speaker 1: of the things, right, we talk about your husband at
Speaker 1: tickets life and the hair loss and everything that you've
Speaker 1: been going to. How have you been doing and how
Speaker 1: have you been coping? Well? Now, I mean now I'm
Speaker 1: literally in the happiest place in my entire life, which
Speaker 1: says a lot because I've been a really happy person.
Speaker 1: I've had a blessed you know, abundant life and career. Um,
Speaker 1: my kids are great. I mean that's really the start.
Speaker 1: It's like you're only as happy as your least happy child.
Speaker 1: And both my kids and my four step children are
Speaker 1: all great right now. And my my new husband is
Speaker 1: just a dream. So I you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: I've been given a second lease on life, you know,
Speaker 1: after losing Christian. I mean I never thought I could
Speaker 1: be as low as that. I mean that the level
Speaker 1: of despair I had to be literally physically picked up
Speaker 1: off the floor. And I remember, I mean this was
Speaker 1: just five years ago. I would force myself. I had
Speaker 1: a dog, and I would force myself to walk outside
Speaker 1: at the beach and smile at the sun and find gratitude,
Speaker 1: find something to be grateful for. And I you know,
Speaker 1: there were dark, dark days. I never thought I'd be
Speaker 1: in a place of peace and happiness. And I really am,
Speaker 1: like I just like I said when we first started,
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like I'm the best me that
Speaker 1: I've ever been. I really know myself, I really love myself.
Speaker 1: I've you know, through this journey of shaving my head,
Speaker 1: and that was a badass move and I came out
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, you know, so, like all of it
Speaker 1: is a journey. I'm fifty three, and I guess when
Speaker 1: you turn fifty you kind of get a sense of
Speaker 1: who you who you are, and also you don't care
Speaker 1: what people think as much. Yeah, I don't really care
Speaker 1: what people think of me. I know my side of
Speaker 1: the street is clean. I'm a good person and I
Speaker 1: appreciate every day. So to answer your question, I'm great,
Speaker 1: how do how does one allowed himselves the love again
Speaker 1: and be loved after something like that. I've always felt
Speaker 1: that I've been like deserving of love, you know. I
Speaker 1: think I chose partners um that either were physically a
Speaker 1: certain way so I felt better about myself. I chose
Speaker 1: partners that needed me that so I saw my value
Speaker 1: in that they needed fixing or they needed taken care of.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the first time in my entire life,
Speaker 1: and I've had many this my third marriage where I'm
Speaker 1: with someone who's my equal, who brings as much to
Speaker 1: the to the to the relationship as I bring. And
Speaker 1: that I think comes down to like self self worth
Speaker 1: and self love. There was there any guilt, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure people will say to you, oh, five years, that
Speaker 1: wasn't long with who would they to say that, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a long five years. It was a long
Speaker 1: five years. And I don't care what anybody has to say,
Speaker 1: Like I I and I continue to honor this, this
Speaker 1: man that I lost, I mean, he was he was
Speaker 1: my greatest teacher to this day, he's my greatest teacher.
Speaker 1: Christian Evans was so special and so ill and I
Speaker 1: didn't even know what bipolar was when when I got
Speaker 1: with him. I'd never experienced it. I you know, he
Speaker 1: told me when we met. He's like, oh, I was
Speaker 1: diagnosed by polar and I was like, oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm a control freak. We all have our things, you know.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand what a manic episode was. And so
Speaker 1: you know, with Kanye, I mean like I really, I really,
Speaker 1: I just I just know that to be the loved
Speaker 1: one going through that and you know, losing Christian the
Speaker 1: way I did. I mean, for me, the trauma was
Speaker 1: the episode, the first episode versus the suicide, because seeing
Speaker 1: your loved one change on a dime and become so
Speaker 1: destructive and so like just someone I didn't recognize. But
Speaker 1: you know, I've done a lot of work in these
Speaker 1: five years. And I think also with Ross my my husband. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean it's like I deserve him, you know, it's
Speaker 1: really like I know my value and I I really
Speaker 1: just I called him in, you know, I manifested him
Speaker 1: and I you know, just just I yeah, I relish
Speaker 1: this time in my life, in this relationship you've lived.
Speaker 1: You've lived all the big pop culture stories of the
Speaker 1: pastor like literally I have. I mean, it's all so
Speaker 1: sort of it resonates, you know, I mean the oscars,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I was going on Monday, I did
Speaker 1: a promotional for this hair company that I've been working with,
Speaker 1: and there's the night before that that happened with the joke.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just yeah, it feels like my life.
Speaker 1: My life is a movie. It really, it really is
Speaker 1: so true. You have lived them all. And also you know,
Speaker 1: she she speaks about them like she's gone to give
Speaker 1: talks on mental health and yes, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's um, you know, it's I think just being a
Speaker 1: witness to what she went through with Christian. You know,
Speaker 1: that kind of bipolarity. It is so tricky. It is
Speaker 1: so tricky because it doesn't present as an illness like
Speaker 1: it sometimes presents first as if the persons actually do great,
Speaker 1: because you don't realize that they're ascending toward that that mania,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's you can't intervene, you can't
Speaker 1: tell somebody, oh I think you're a little you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it was. It was an impossible situation. It
Speaker 1: was like you guys did everything, tried everything, therapy, drugs.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just that's what's super frustrating to everybody
Speaker 1: dealing with the resources to have the money. And I
Speaker 1: tried to save him. I saved him twice and I
Speaker 1: couldn't save him a third time. And you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the fixer, you know, I'm someone that like really
Speaker 1: does like like you know, create like you know, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't And it was really really hard to come
Speaker 1: to terms with that. I'd love to hear some of
Speaker 1: those practices you talked about. You know, I'm big on
Speaker 1: mental health and mindfulness. And I heard you say you
Speaker 1: you manifested you know Ross, Like, what are some of
Speaker 1: the things you do on a daily I mean, I
Speaker 1: know on a daily I was going to mention ayahuasca.
Speaker 1: Do you not do that on the daily? I want to.
Speaker 1: I can't not on a daily but I can't wait
Speaker 1: to do it. It's calling me. They they they don't do
Speaker 1: until it's calling you, exactly. It has to be a calling.
Speaker 1: And the time I did it, I did it with
Speaker 1: Christian and I did it because he was doing it
Speaker 1: and I didn't want him to do it without me.
Speaker 1: That is not the reason to do it. And it
Speaker 1: was a horrible experience. But I've done it now about
Speaker 1: fourteen times over a period of last ten years, and
Speaker 1: don't know, well, it's it's a it's awful. It's going
Speaker 1: to hell and back. It's literally going to the darkest,
Speaker 1: darkest I mean, oh my gosh. And every time it
Speaker 1: has been so different. I did it back at Abiza,
Speaker 1: I did it, did it in northern California, I did
Speaker 1: into Panga. I've done it all over and you know,
Speaker 1: my my mostly my intention. You have to send an intention,
Speaker 1: and my intention to do it was letting go and
Speaker 1: and and I did it once after Christian passed twice
Speaker 1: after Christian passed away. And you get these messages, you
Speaker 1: get these downloads, and you you see God, I mean
Speaker 1: you you see God. It is one time in particular
Speaker 1: that that I was with Christian. I was up in
Speaker 1: northern California under the redwoods, and we were outside. It
Speaker 1: was during the day. It was the only time I
Speaker 1: ever did it in daylight, and I remember just being
Speaker 1: on the ground like praying, rent bowing and and I
Speaker 1: could literally see and feel the Earth's heartbeat in my
Speaker 1: hands pulsating and it. Oh you got, I mean, I
Speaker 1: have just just talking about it brings you back. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's medicine. They say you do ten years of
Speaker 1: therapy in one night of ayahuasca, and I think that's
Speaker 1: remember the plant. That was the time the plant told
Speaker 1: you let him go. Yes, I'd have to let him go.
Speaker 1: You have to let him go. I mean I've had
Speaker 1: so Yeah, it's been I mean, I'm not called to
Speaker 1: do it again right now, but I certainly it's it's
Speaker 1: very powerful medicine. I've also done combo. I've done that twice.
Speaker 1: I've done I mean, I'm like a secret combo is
Speaker 1: the frog poison. No, it's not the five m Ao
Speaker 1: d MT. It's what they burn your skin, that the
Speaker 1: top lay of your skin, and they put the medicine
Speaker 1: in and it does a scan. It's supposedly be the
Speaker 1: strongest natural antibiotic and it can heal you from so
Speaker 1: many different ailments. So I've done. I mean, I'm like
Speaker 1: a seeker. I'm I'm curious and I'm always up for growth.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think of the other things I've done.
Speaker 1: But if I oh, Burning Man, I started going to
Speaker 1: Burnie what's burning Man? But you're Burnie Man Fields like
Speaker 1: White Freaknick. It is for everyone. It is Bernie man Is.
Speaker 1: I can't say a festival is not a festival. It
Speaker 1: is a city, the huge place over a week. You
Speaker 1: have never heard of burning. I have all my friends
Speaker 1: to burn the best place in the world. I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm bringing. Oh my goodness, you need to google it.
Speaker 1: My friend. It's it's I know, Bob and Bernik and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's. It's It's a place where you
Speaker 1: go and you are in that moment. You are present,
Speaker 1: you are free, you engage with people. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a city. There's no exchange of currency or anything. You
Speaker 1: bring gifts, but you give gifts um and you don't
Speaker 1: do it for anything other than giving you. You know,
Speaker 1: it's people are are at their highest vibe at Burnie
Speaker 1: Man but it's a place where they call drugs medicines.
Speaker 1: That's all you need to know. You do, you do not.
Speaker 1: They have AA meetings on the player. You do not
Speaker 1: have to do anything you don't want to do. But
Speaker 1: it's like magic happens on the play aff I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm sounding too. I'm gonna go one day.
Speaker 1: My homie Andrew Showld goals all the time. He was like,
Speaker 1: you got to call me to burn a man when
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on. If you're called to do it,
Speaker 1: I urge you to go. Haven't been play. I'm let
Speaker 1: me just tell you the PLA has a lot more fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know the PLI is burning man. They call it
Speaker 1: that the desert the land. Yeah, you did twelve seasons
Speaker 1: at a Rickey Lake, well eleven, and then I went
Speaker 1: back and did a new version of the show that
Speaker 1: only ran for one year. But I won the Emmy
Speaker 1: that year, and you said you walked away from it.
Speaker 1: I did the first show. I just couldn't renew. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it kind of run its course. Nine to
Speaker 1: eleven had happened. I just I wanted to get out
Speaker 1: of New York. I was going through a divorce. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just it just kind of fell apart. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Maury just ended his show. I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like I could have had a run like that.
Speaker 1: I'm personnel. No no, no, no no. I love Maury,
Speaker 1: but I I yeah, eleven years was enough for the
Speaker 1: first show. The second show, I wanted to do more
Speaker 1: of a Donnie Who type show, and that was my concept.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the elevated content, more provocative and
Speaker 1: thought provoking. And it didn't turn out to be that. Well.
Speaker 1: Difference between the first run in the second run, say
Speaker 1: you want to end one was successful. I don't know
Speaker 1: the first one. I mean, I think the timing of
Speaker 1: the first one and being in New York at that
Speaker 1: time was magic. You know. The second one, I was
Speaker 1: in bed with the wrong company. I think the executive
Speaker 1: that was in charge of my production we had different visions.
Speaker 1: You know, he wanted a different type of show than
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and I, you know, goes back
Speaker 1: to making the business of being born with Abby. I
Speaker 1: kind of have a sense of who I am in
Speaker 1: a way that I didn't back then. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was just you know, in bed, you did
Speaker 1: some good shows though you really did. We did. We did.
Speaker 1: I actually did a show on suicide, which is so
Speaker 1: interesting because I didn't have I didn't have a his
Speaker 1: like I didn't know that at the time, but I
Speaker 1: was called to do it and I fought so hard.
Speaker 1: He said it was never gonna rate. It was never
Speaker 1: gonna and I felt like we needed to do it,
Speaker 1: and it was one of the shows I'm really proud of.
Speaker 1: How difficult is it for any person to have a
Speaker 1: successful daytime talk show, Oh my god, I think it's
Speaker 1: near impossible. I mean, in the time that I did
Speaker 1: my show eleven years and we used to go to
Speaker 1: the Nappy Convention every year and there'd be you know,
Speaker 1: a dozen half a dozen news shows come and go
Speaker 1: and they you know, they'd last for, you know, not
Speaker 1: very long. I think it's a rare talent, Like it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's something that was taught to me.
Speaker 1: I think it was like a natural fit, you know,
Speaker 1: for me. It's a unique relationship I think that you
Speaker 1: have with the world more than being an actor on
Speaker 1: a TV show. I feel like because Ricky was in
Speaker 1: everybody's living room and people ran home from school at
Speaker 1: three o'clock, every day to watch Ricky Lake, watch Ricky Lake.
Speaker 1: Like literally, you know, I can see just from traveling
Speaker 1: the world with her, Like We'll be in some hotel
Speaker 1: lobby in Australia and like, you know, like ten gay
Speaker 1: men will come up to her like sobbing, you know,
Speaker 1: and say, oh my god, you validated us and you
Speaker 1: don't know what you meant, and you know what. And
Speaker 1: I think they have a different relationship with her, just
Speaker 1: because the nature of that show. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: she was the perspective of the audience, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like she was she was sort of your
Speaker 1: lens into this like world of madness. So it's it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see I've never really seen um, I've never
Speaker 1: really seen anybody where it's kind of like her fans
Speaker 1: appreciate her and a like yesterday we're walking down the
Speaker 1: street and people are screaming her name down the street
Speaker 1: in New York. That's Ricky, Like I saw you on
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams this morning, Hi Ricky, Hi Ricky. Like she
Speaker 1: just feels approachable, more approachable in that way, because I
Speaker 1: think we lose sense of how many people grew up
Speaker 1: on her, like it was one of the original absolute formats.
Speaker 1: And I think the nineties celebrity actually meant something in
Speaker 1: the room. Yes, doesn't anybody You can lick the bottom
Speaker 1: of a told foot now and TikTok's about you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, celebrity meant something in the nineties.
Speaker 1: And it feels like everyone or a lot of people
Speaker 1: have an agenda, Like it's like it's where there's cello
Speaker 1: product or push some you know, And I guess in
Speaker 1: a way, we are pushing art, but our thing is
Speaker 1: to help women, you know, Like yeah, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: celebrity has changed. I agree, And and just the tone
Speaker 1: that like like I don't know how you guys do it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever like second guess what
Speaker 1: you're about to say for fear of like like backlash
Speaker 1: or something. But I feel like I was able to say,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have to like censor myself before
Speaker 1: I say it, and can Yeah, we've been canceled a
Speaker 1: million times. I mean we've been doing it for twelve years,
Speaker 1: so things have changed over has it shifted in these
Speaker 1: twelve years. So it's things that they try to go
Speaker 1: back and cancel us for. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just that's the way it's part to me. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: nobody wants to have the conversation about how culture shifted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to hold people accountable for things
Speaker 1: they said, yeah in public forums ten years ago, fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago culture exactly. I felt like that last night
Speaker 1: when we watch both our movies back to back back,
Speaker 1: you know, and we're watching this movie we made fourteen
Speaker 1: years ago, and I'm a little nervous watching it, you know,
Speaker 1: just for that reason, because you're sitting there like, oh,
Speaker 1: did we have enough people of color in the movie?
Speaker 1: Oh god, we just said something about Britney spears in
Speaker 1: the movie. Little you know, things that like today might
Speaker 1: not fly. You know. I was gonna ask. We always
Speaker 1: talk about the Mount Rushmore of things, route much more
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore of comedians. What should Mount Rushmore of talk
Speaker 1: show hosts? Okay, Oprah for sure, Oprah, Donna Hue. I
Speaker 1: loved Donnie back in the day. I loved Darcineo. I
Speaker 1: watched him. Oh can we do Late Night too? Can talk? Oh? Sorry, okay, okay, daytime?
Speaker 1: Let me think. Oh my god, throw some names at
Speaker 1: me and I'll tell you what I think of him
Speaker 1: um oprah Don was a good start. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: Sally Sally um oh. Monte Montell is a good guy
Speaker 1: to show with him. Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's more,
Speaker 1: There's more of what I'm like. There were so many.
Speaker 1: Come on, you just did that reunion on Tamarin. Who
Speaker 1: was there? Oh that was Rolando was there and Montell
Speaker 1: was there. Yeah when Tamara Tamara was up here like
Speaker 1: last week and she said your name and Rolanda And
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, you know quote I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think of Rolando, hadn't heard the name in
Speaker 1: a wild I liked. I mean, Tempest bled Zoe had
Speaker 1: a show, Carney Wilson had a show. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone successful. No, I don't think so. I think they
Speaker 1: only ran for a year. Queen Latina, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: yesterday I went and did the Wendy Williams Show without
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams. But it was in my old studio, so
Speaker 1: like I hadn't been back there in like fifteen years,
Speaker 1: sixteen years or something like that. I think Montell's old studio. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: Monte Maury was there too, the twenty six Street studios.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's all just like it just feels like
Speaker 1: these chapters in my life. And now with this new podcast,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I get to go back, right, I
Speaker 1: think it'll be good. Yeah, I wonder what the Raised
Speaker 1: by Ricky podcast? What did he make you miss most
Speaker 1: about doing the Ricky Lakes Show? The money money, so,
Speaker 1: I mean it was funny money. I didn't even like
Speaker 1: like getting a bonus of a half million dollars. Come on,
Speaker 1: come on, it's like the budget of our entire documentary.
Speaker 1: It was just it was crazy. I'm okay, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm just fine, thank you, But believe me. Crypto crypto,
Speaker 1: but that's not crazy. I don't think I got in
Speaker 1: I relatively early twenty seventeen. You got an early early
Speaker 1: super well, Mamma went big. You know, my guy calls
Speaker 1: me his you know bitcoin wife, you know, counting my bitcoin.
Speaker 1: No like a nine cow, it's a it's a My
Speaker 1: guy was an it was an ex devout Mormon, so
Speaker 1: he brings up these these Mormons. Anyway, anyway, it's you Will.
Speaker 1: I did, okay, I did not do like like I
Speaker 1: love Rosie O'donnald too. Rosie's a great, great, great friend
Speaker 1: of mine and a great talk show host. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have like the money that these other people have.
Speaker 1: But I'm also I saw Jim Carrey did an interview yesterday.
Speaker 1: He's retiring. He's like and he said he has enough.
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel. I don't come from a
Speaker 1: place of the work I do is not about the
Speaker 1: money I make now, it's really about putting out good work. Well,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys for joining us. Thank you so much. Well,
Speaker 1: I do want to ask one more question that two more.
Speaker 1: Do talk show host reach out to you to get
Speaker 1: tips now? And if they did, I'll tell you. Rosie
Speaker 1: and Ellen both called me before they went and did
Speaker 1: their shows because they wanted to know what the schedule
Speaker 1: was like, how it worked. Um, not late like no,
Speaker 1: not of late. I've been off the air. I haven't
Speaker 1: done my show in so long. But but I feel
Speaker 1: like I do have some good pointers, and I would
Speaker 1: say the main thing is to be a good listener.
Speaker 1: That's you know, I think that's what I was best at,
Speaker 1: is reacting to what I was seeing. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't wear an IFB and that's something they fought me
Speaker 1: on every year. They just wanted, you know, the control
Speaker 1: room and the priests wanted to have access to me,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to add anyone ever putting anything
Speaker 1: in my mouth, you know. So I would have Q
Speaker 1: cards if they needed me, but I refused to have
Speaker 1: an IFP. So I just I just love that, Yes,
Speaker 1: that show. Back then, I didn't really know who I was,
Speaker 1: but um, but I was in the moment and present
Speaker 1: and tried to be kind and tried to have some
Speaker 1: fun and do some good. Quite a taste for water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how does Ricky Lake want to be remembered? My goodness?
Speaker 1: Um has a good time. I'm a good time I
Speaker 1: am when Yeah, I mean want you know, I want
Speaker 1: my legacy, Like it makes me happiest when people recognize
Speaker 1: me and know my work from the work I do
Speaker 1: with Abby, the Business of Being Born. These documentaries I
Speaker 1: believe are changing the world, making the world a better place,
Speaker 1: and they're the most personal projects and they take a
Speaker 1: lot of work, a lot of effort. And I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of you. You have shifted some culture. Who we
Speaker 1: have we have. Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: What can the documentaries be seeing? Yes, we're streaming. You
Speaker 1: can pre order now at the Business of Birth Control
Speaker 1: dot com. We're self releasing it, so I don't have
Speaker 1: a big studio behind us. You just go to the
Speaker 1: Business of Birthcontrol dot com and it's going to be
Speaker 1: streaming April Lafe and the Ricky Lake Raids by Ricky
Speaker 1: podcast starting October twenty twenty two, available everywhere you listen
Speaker 1: to podcast. Yeah, exactly. All right, Well, thank you Breakfast Club,
Speaker 1: thank you Ricky Lake, thank you having your morning. Everybody
Speaker 1: is DJ Envy, angela Ye, Charlomagne, the Dad, we are
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. You got a positive note for the people.
Speaker 1: My positive note comes from mister Don Miguel Ruise, who
Speaker 1: I love. He's an author I love, author to Four Agreements,
Speaker 1: Fifth Agreements, Mastery of Self, a bunch of great titles.
Speaker 1: But he has a quote where he says, deaf is
Speaker 1: not the biggest fear we have. Our biggest fear is
Speaker 1: taking the risk to be alive, the risk to be
Speaker 1: alive and express what we really are. Go live today, people,
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club is finish it. Y'alld up.