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Speaker 1: wame on everybody that anybody comes through the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: You know you get voice to people that would be voiceless.

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Speaker 1: Right now. Your show has the post of the culture. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everyone smells rich, successful for all that. Now, cain't nobody

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Speaker 1: tall stop to the team at the Breakfast Club. Wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: quake your podcast up. This is your time to get

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Speaker 1: it off your chests. Whether you're man or blast so

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Speaker 1: What charm? What dja? Envy? What up? Brothers King? How

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Speaker 1: are you doing? My brother? What up? Charlom Peace King?

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Speaker 1: How are you on Blessed Black and Holly Favor? How

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Speaker 1: are you? Brother? Brother? My first time on Breakerence Club. Bro,

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Speaker 1: I just want to get it off my chest. Man.

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Speaker 1: turn the good play? Okay, thank you brother, that's real. Hello?

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Speaker 1: Who's this? This curving out of Houston? Whatever? Brother? Or

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Good morning? As a good morning? How

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Speaker 1: are you? I'm doing fine. Good morn morning, brother, Good morning,

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Speaker 1: Charlot Mane of Guard Peace King. How are you doing,

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Speaker 1: black man? I'm doing all right. I'm cup to celebrate

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Speaker 1: back beautiful black queen. All right, shout her out? What's

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Speaker 1: all the youth and take this my beautiful black queen.

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Speaker 1: You know were to to celebrate teen years in July,

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Speaker 1: to hear it. The happiest man alive. Okay, thank you brother. Hey'

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Speaker 1: getting off your chests? Yeah, I ain't got nothing to

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Speaker 1: Charlot man On, there you did like a cop. I

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Speaker 1: a nice little cameo. I walk out right before Ice Cuban,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Hart. They come behind me. Yeah, I three, no, man, man,

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Speaker 1: morning when I get off work. Man, keep it up.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, brother? Hello, who's this? Yo's your boy? Clutch

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Speaker 1: coming from Dade County. What's up, brother? I wanted to

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Speaker 1: give a beautiful shout out to my beautiful co workers,

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Speaker 1: on the damn a teeth, and to my beautiful future fiance.

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Speaker 1: I'm a proposed, I asked all her birthday on the seventeen. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right, proud of you man? Is it

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Speaker 1: All right? Stop cursingsing a oh, I apologize. I have

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Speaker 1: least from naptown. Then what's up? Brother? Get it off

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Speaker 1: Well as I got a question. So I ended up

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Speaker 1: I ain't giving you no money for your goddamn motorcycle.

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Speaker 1: We ain don't even have don't even put your cash

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Speaker 1: They got attorneys their handle business like this, Do you

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Speaker 1: Get it off your chests eight hundred five eight five

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Speaker 1: allain the God I'm telling I'm telling her, what's you doing?

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Speaker 1: know the dominated from ball Dominie from dude. What's up? Brother?

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Speaker 1: Want to good morning? Good morning, y'all? Want to get

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Speaker 1: Hold y'all. Follow on Instagram stud d A on the Score,

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Speaker 1: Perdie Brown on the Score show. Okay, why she busting

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, y'all. A good morning? All right? Brother? Hello?

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Speaker 1: Who's this? Hey? Good morning? Um, This is Clay calling

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Speaker 1: from North Carolina. Clay, good morning. Get her off your chest? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't really like to thank y'all. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: Charlotte Magne and God, and good morning Miss ye Peace,

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Speaker 1: my guy, how are you? I'm doing great less than

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Speaker 1: But you guys really got to impact and this. Um,

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Speaker 1: I me personally, I thank you we appreciate you. Love

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Speaker 1: brother now shout to um. You know, July thirty, first season,

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Speaker 1: Jacob Javis Center where we're gonna be talking about real

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Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club. Come on, get it off your chest,

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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Your morning's will never be the same morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We

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Speaker 1: the building, yes, indeed from Bell and we have Jabari Banks. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're what's going on? How are you feeling, my brother?

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Speaker 1: I'm great man how y'all man Less Black and Holly Favor. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: Blessed to be here, blessed to be with y'all. This

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Speaker 1: is incredible, that's right. Congratul on the successive bell As

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Speaker 1: thus far. Did you feel a lot of pressure having

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Speaker 1: to play such an iconic, iconic role, Yeah, definitely, definitely

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Speaker 1: the pressure. But you know, many talks with Will, many

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Speaker 1: to go find that food? When I want to go

421
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Speaker 1: find that food. We drove from Norfolk State up to DCU.

422
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 1: We couldn't even go sit down in the restaurant. We

423
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Speaker 1: had to sit our fat hell in the Car's the

424
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Speaker 1: food was worth it, though, absolutely not. I could have

425
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 1: I could have made that. But listen, you had you

426
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 1: had a great experience with your friends. It was a memory,

427
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Speaker 1: you know, it was memory. That's right. And that's what

428
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: that's what that's what it's about. It's about food, fellow

429
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Speaker 1: ship and and fringe. That's what food is for. That's right,

430
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. Thank you. Hello. Who's this? It's

431
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Speaker 1: fresh Fresh with up man. We're talking about some real

432
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Speaker 1: fat boy inch this morning. Man, what's the fattest thing

433
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Speaker 1: you've done? I ain't gonna lie, bro, I'm only like

434
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Speaker 1: one thing, but everybody who knows me can't be fat,

435
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 1: fat spirit, fattened spirit. I ain't gonna lie like the

436
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Speaker 1: fat the fatten thing, real bro. Everybody said I'm really

437
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,479
Speaker 1: like probably sick a two fish because I do everything fat. Bro.

438
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 1: Last we got I ate some old meal because I

439
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,120
Speaker 1: don't want to wait on it to cool. I put

440
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Speaker 1: it in the priest for about five minute. I don't

441
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Speaker 1: see nothing wrong that with pizza though, Yeah you do

442
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: that with Yeah, pizza be too hot. I just putting it.

443
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Speaker 1: I putting a little fridge for about my mouth. All right,

444
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 1: So what about this, I'm microwave my icebreak. Now, that's

445
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: just that's just stupid. Now. Now I do microwave it

446
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 1: a little bit if it's too hard. Now, when you

447
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: put that spoon in there, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do

448
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: that now, Mica, I do that. No, I do that

449
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,439
Speaker 1: because you want your eyes. I like, you gotta want

450
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Speaker 1: it to be soft. You want that spoon to just

451
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: go right through it. Yeah. I don't microwave it though.

452
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 1: I just put it on the counter for a little while.

453
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: I don't microwave it, man, I give about fifteen get there, okay, okay, okay,

454
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 1: well thank you? All right? All right? Man, So now

455
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: y'll feel fat, y'all hungry like I am. The food

456
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 1: is amazing, bro. The moral of the story is, you know,

457
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 1: I think you diet is a bank account, and good

458
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 1: food choice is a good good investment. And it doesn't

459
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: sound like y'all making good investments like I was talking about,

460
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 1: we just random things. It sounds like there's some of

461
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: y'all regular everyday die all right, to just make sure

462
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Speaker 1: you're making uh, you know, good food choices, to make

463
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Speaker 1: good investments, that's all. But man, food is life. Well.

464
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Speaker 1: I love food so much, absolutely, Lord have mercy. We

465
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: all fat, we all trans fat, bro, and we just

466
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 1: need to accept it. Don't nobody really like eating healthy? No? No,

467
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: healthy could be delicious, that's not true. Sure it definitely

468
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: taste like yeah, I don't sure it. Take the man jest.

469
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Speaker 1: Juices for life. Those are amazing. It's like dessert. They're good,

470
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: taste good, like mangoes. Oh my god, I love a

471
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: good juicy mango. If all this stuff we really love

472
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Speaker 1: to eat was healthy, like if there was if Chrispy

473
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Speaker 1: Cream donuts kept us alive, guess we'd be eating this

474
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Speaker 1: morning right now for me. If Chick fil A's what

475
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: gave us muscles, guess what we'd be eating this morning?

476
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: Remember what I used to eat every morning to pill?

477
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Speaker 1: And I love spinas with guylic yem all right, well

478
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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club, Good morning, the Breakfast Club Morning. Everybody

479
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Speaker 1: is DJ Envy Angel Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We are

480
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Speaker 1: to Breakfast Club. We got a special guests in the

481
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Speaker 1: building any time talk Royalty. Where'd you get that? Who

482
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Speaker 1: wrote that? I love my mom for sending that in

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Speaker 1: thank you? She listens to the Breakfast Club. Good morning, mama,

484
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Speaker 1: good morning, was all how are you? I'm wonderful? How

485
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Speaker 1: about yourself? And blessed black? And I love that. I

486
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Speaker 1: am feeling the same way. Absolutely absolutely good to see you.

487
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Speaker 1: Thank you. This is my first time in your studio.

488
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Speaker 1: I know it's aulation overload. Yeah, we did zoom so

489
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Speaker 1: I'm I wanted those people because it's the clean, latest thing,

490
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: stories behind everything. That's right. Oh yeah, DJ and V

491
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Speaker 1: you and your wife are going to be on my

492
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Speaker 1: show soon. I can't wait. We're excited. I love this.

493
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of alcohol, but you don't what oh

494
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Speaker 1: oh oh you do have the puffy Send me a

495
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Speaker 1: monogram vodka? I never opened it. You guys have one? Yeah?

496
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Speaker 1: I think you have one too. Yeah, so yeah, if

497
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Speaker 1: has your name on it, you know you kind of

498
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Speaker 1: got to I guess you're not supposed to drink those.

499
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Speaker 1: I didn't drink it. I just left it there. It's

500
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Speaker 1: it's for a prop like y'all, but it's cute. How

501
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: was it for you doing the show during a pandemic

502
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: without an audience? Oh, it's terrible. It was terrible. I know.

503
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 1: I had Seth Meyers on the show the other day

504
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Speaker 1: and he said he enjoyed it because it allowed him

505
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Speaker 1: to connect more with viewers in the way he didn't expect.

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Speaker 1: I think the first half of it, I said, just think, God,

507
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Speaker 1: we're on air, like we're on air because we would

508
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Speaker 1: be canceled otherwise, so we have a chance to stay on.

509
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Speaker 1: And then when we went back in and had to

510
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Speaker 1: go back out this last round when Amar, I'm a journalist,

511
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Speaker 1: and I'm a journalist, I should know better. But that

512
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Speaker 1: second wave in December, I had to go back into

513
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Speaker 1: my home and do the show and it was miserable

514
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: and I realized, and you all know this, and Charlottage,

515
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Speaker 1: especially with your shows, it is having an audience is

516
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Speaker 1: It's like the team commandments. It's one of the rules

517
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Speaker 1: of daytime. You have to have an audience. I my

518
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Speaker 1: first time even attending a daytime talk show. I went

519
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Speaker 1: to Temple University and I came to see Haraldo rivera

520
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Speaker 1: wow in person, way back when he had a talk show,

521
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: and it just it's a part of the energy. So yeah,

522
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Speaker 1: it was rough. I did not like it. I wonder

523
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Speaker 1: when you went to go see Haraldo back in the day,

524
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Speaker 1: does that when the bug hit you? Did you totally

525
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: not know the show? Like people throwing chairs? No, no, no.

526
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Speaker 1: I was a college student at Temple and they, you know,

527
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Speaker 1: they would always recruit young audiences to come in and

528
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Speaker 1: we were here. Two of my best friends are from

529
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Speaker 1: Brooklyn and I went to Temple, and so we just

530
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Speaker 1: did what college kids do. You come to New York,

531
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Speaker 1: You hang out in Times Square, You got free tickets

532
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Speaker 1: to go to a show, and it happened to be

533
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Speaker 1: Horaldo rivera'z. So when did you get the bug? When

534
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: did you see yourself? When did I get the bug?

535
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Speaker 1: When did I get the bug? Well? Um, I would

536
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: I was born. If I if you ask me what

537
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: I would be doing right now other than this, I

538
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: jokingly say blackjack dealer. But I don't even have to

539
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Speaker 1: play cards. I didn't have a well, I don't even

540
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: have to play cards. I can't play spades, and I'm

541
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: from the South. I'm embarrassing. I don't I am I

542
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: don't know how to play dominoes. I'm an embarrassed. Can

543
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: you at least I don't play board games? Went to

544
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Speaker 1: a board game? What is it a card game? I

545
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: don't play cards. I don't. I was never one of

546
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Speaker 1: those people. I don't. I don't play monopoly. I think

547
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: I do. What did y'all do in college, though, because

548
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: that's a lot of good stuff. But we played spades,

549
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: we played cards, not me. You didn't go to class.

550
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Speaker 1: I did not. Not a lot of what was going

551
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Speaker 1: on to Temple House music party. We used to hang

552
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Speaker 1: out at Pen a lot the Pen parties and Mittenhall parties.

553
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: But no, I never played cards, so I don't even

554
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: know we got on that one. But yes, i'd say

555
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: blackjack dealer, but no, I never had a backup plant.

556
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: This was always what I wanted to do. I think

557
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: early on Johnny Carson's show was something that was in

558
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: the background. But I quickly realized I wasn't a white

559
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: guy and named Jimmy or James, and so that Late

560
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: Night World throughout my entire career was really just a

561
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: white guy into our Sineo. And I think I think

562
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: maybe seeing our Sineo obviously Rolanda, obviously Oprah Phil Donahue,

563
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: but they all had different Do you remember Rolando Watch

564
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: people forget how important she was in the marketplace. So

565
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: it was there wasn't a moment. It was just I

566
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: felt like I didn't have a choice. It was that

567
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: I was this was what I was going to do,

568
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: and I didn't know it was gonna be a talk show.

569
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to be a journalist. I

570
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: love writing, I love reporting. The talk show thing happened,

571
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: as you know, because I got fired, and so I

572
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: had to figure out how as I going to get

573
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: back into TV and not feel as owned as I

574
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: had previously. If you hadn't have gotten fired from the

575
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: Today Show, do you think you'd ever gotten into daytime talk? No,

576
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: because in daytime talk any shows, you know, that's just

577
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: with y'all show people. It's almost like the Rocky syndrome.

578
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: People need to root for you, and in talk show world,

579
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: they need to root for you, they need to feel

580
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: a connection with you. And so while I did have

581
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: a great run, I feel at the Today Show and

582
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: even before that in Chicago for ten years because I

583
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: was recruited to come to the Today's Show after being

584
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: on air in Chicago. But uh no, because you have

585
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: to have an arc every you know, it's it's like

586
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: a superhero. You need like I had the ultimate nemesis

587
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: in the person that they selected, even though I never

588
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: met her and never crossed path. Whether you have that justaposition.

589
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: Clearly I watch a lot of superhero things, but you

590
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: have so you have a juxtaposition of a villain, You

591
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: have your story, your origin story. So what was my

592
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: origin stories? I got fired and as a black woman,

593
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: being forty eight years old and being fired, that hit

594
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: a nerve with people. What is she going to do?

595
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: How does she come back? And that gave me opportunities

596
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: to get in rooms. But if I'm being honest with you,

597
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: and I always will be, Harvey Weinstein got me in

598
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: rooms that I was never going to be able to

599
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: get in. He was the most important person in Hollywood

600
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: and he decided he wanted to produce a talk show

601
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: with me, and so people started taking meetings to hear

602
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: the pitch because of Harvey Weinstein, and then midstream, Harvey

603
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: was accused of rape, and which I learned over a

604
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: text message. Someone anonymously text me and said, there's an

605
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: accusation of the R word, and I was like, our word?

606
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: What does that mean? And then it all what happens there?

607
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Because he helped you with your career? No, he helped

608
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: me get meetings. I helped me with my career, helped

609
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: you get meetings. But on the other end, he's, you know,

610
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: accused of sexually terrifying all to the place. So do

611
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: you just step back and say, look, I'm the mind

612
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: of my business. I don't know, and he's helped put

613
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: me into I didn't know what to say. It was

614
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: like an emotional grenade. I had never been in a

615
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: room along with him. So the first part was thank

616
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: god right then the second part was wait a minut

617
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: due the people who came with me in a room,

618
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: did they know? And is that why they didn't leave

619
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: me in the room? So there were these many, many questions,

620
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: and then, I'll be honest, came the moment where I

621
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: was worried about my own survival and then I felt guilty.

622
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: Not It wasn't that I didn't care. I would never

623
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: say that, But there was a moment where you think

624
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: my career, Oh my god, what happens to me? I

625
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: don't have a job. Now I've been in the room

626
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: with him. Now I'm tied and linked to him, and

627
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: this show will never get off the ground because of

628
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: the people we were pitching too were white males of

629
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: his level, if you will, who were not necessarily open

630
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: to an idea of a talk show with me black woman,

631
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: because there hadn't been one, right, Wendy had the longest

632
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: running talk show outside of Oprah. There've been here and there,

633
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: But if you look at the long list of daytime

634
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: talk shows, just largely white men and women who these

635
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: syndicators believe could appeal to quote unquote mainstream. And so

636
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: even though the best who had ever done it and

637
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: the most successful in daytime was a black woman after

638
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: you didn't have children, she knocked off all of the

639
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: stereotypes of what's relatable. So now I'm linked to him,

640
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm worried about my own survival, I am my backup plan,

641
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: I am thinking this, I'm screwed. And then I had

642
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: to take a step back and say to myself, what

643
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: about these women who are making these allegations? And I

644
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: know just like with Bill Cosby, who spoke at my graduation,

645
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: who I replaced on the board of trustees at Temple University.

646
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: Even if you don't believe all of them, if you

647
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: half half and then half that half, you have at

648
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: least one or two. Yeah, and if there's one, that's

649
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: one too many. And that's how I looked at it.

650
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: So I had to take a step back. In the

651
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: minute that I started thinking about what it must be

652
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: like for them, It's like the floodgates open my confidence.

653
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going back in these rooms. I'm going

654
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 1: to rewrite letters to all of these people and say

655
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: you let me in the room with him. Now, let

656
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: me in the room by myself, and let me pitch myself.

657
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: And so some of them said yes, some said no.

658
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: As the spiritual woman that had to like, really psychologically,

659
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: that's God working in a really mysterious way, right, It

660
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: wasn't so mysterious. I actually felt like it was a

661
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: clear sign that, you know, Lena Horn had a quote

662
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: that was in this book Stormy Weather, and I have

663
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: a great obsession with Lena Horne. She said something about

664
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: white men getting you in rooms that you can't get

665
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: yourself in and that's how she felt at the time,

666
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: and ultimately that's not true. People will let you in

667
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: the room. I think you have to just keep beating

668
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: down the door over and over. You. We are all

669
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: in this business that we know. You walk in and

670
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: you're instantly stereotype, You're instantly assumed to be something. Yes.

671
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: And so I wrote back notes and I'd learned how

672
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: also to tell people. I definitely channeled fifty cent a

673
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: couple of times in I became no longer afraid to

674
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: brag on myself. Yeah, you know, you have your own

675
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: merit and you deserved it, but we shrink it down.

676
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean we all do, but women we especially do

677
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: in these meetings. And so then you defer to laughing

678
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: at jokes that aren't funny, or your presentation changes a lot.

679
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: And so I said, I'm thirty years in this business.

680
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to run my resume down. And I really

681
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: did channel every hip hop artist that you mail that

682
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: you can imagine, and I specifically zeroed in on men

683
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: because they get a pass at saying some of the

684
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: things that women can. And I went in very, very hot.

685
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: I was like, this is who I am, and this

686
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: is what I did and if I have to explain myself.

687
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that was a turn off to some people,

688
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: but other people received it with the intention of I

689
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: don't stand up for myself who is and that's how

690
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: I've played it. I always wondered about daytime television, like,

691
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: even though Oprah should be the bar right black woman

692
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: who defied every stereotype, weird name, some would say, you know,

693
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: looks everything, why didn't they continue to look for more

694
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: of that instead of just going cookie cutter like they did.

695
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. It is something that I goodness

696
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: it is they wanted daytime I believe not they Some

697
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: people want it daytime to be white. It's like, for

698
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: I call it the Fort Green Centrome, and it's that

699
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: you have this neighborhood and for it to be of value,

700
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: some people believe that it has to be white. And

701
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: so as a result, even though the audience is largely

702
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: all women of all different backgrounds, our show is almost

703
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: fifty fifty fifty percent African American, Latino Asian, fifty percent white.

704
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: So we have this beautiful diversity just straight down the

705
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: middle of this show. And though we have to happen

706
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: to have one of the highest income earning daytime shows.

707
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: So these are people, mostly women who buy, who have

708
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: huge purchasing power. But there will be people who say,

709
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: fifty percent African American, that's not the audience we want.

710
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: And you know they still say that. You know that

711
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: there is still the conversation, and I have it all

712
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: the time. I've had people call in and say, oh, well,

713
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 1: why is this Why do they have so many urban

714
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: guests this week? And then you have other people who

715
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: claim I don't, which is obviously not true. But it's

716
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: a fascinating thing and I think it still remains part

717
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: of television. I don't want to get into this whole thing,

718
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: but listen when I when I grew up watching TV,

719
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: it was almost more diverse than it is now. You

720
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: know Martin in Living Color. I mean the list of

721
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: you go through some of the breakout shows and television,

722
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: the fresh prints and on and on, Oh my god,

723
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: Damon Wayne's show, Bill dil hugely show. I mean, we

724
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: go to Bill Cosby and Oprah, but there was a

725
00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: We just had guy Torreon for their documentary about Fat Tuesdays,

726
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: and they talked about this night that was created because

727
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: TV executives would not go to Compton to hear comedians.

728
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: So they brought the comedians to the Sunset Strip, and

729
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: almost every show you watched during the nineties and two

730
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: thousands was because of a black comic performing on that

731
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: night and being seen by executives who would never have

732
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: gone to Compton to hear them. So it's fascinating. But

733
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think it's a valuable landscape.

734
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: That's why every year you see more shows launched, because

735
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: there's money in daytime, but it's not always seen as

736
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: a value when that money is coming from us. Sadly, yeah,

737
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: because we saw a Nick Cannon show only six months

738
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: and then they canceled it rather quickly, and we were

739
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: saying up here, we feel like he really didn't get

740
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: a fair shake. And what's what do you define as

741
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: a fair shake? Like not enough time to really layer

742
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: make a mark and established. It feels like you need

743
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more time than six months. What do

744
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: you think? No, I think that he is brilliant and

745
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: he is one of the best interviewers I have ever

746
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: sat in the room with. I think the show wasn't him.

747
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what the show was, but it wasn't him,

748
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's I think they needed a reset,

749
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: but it was too late. But I also think he

750
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: got an incredible chance because he came in after a

751
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: scandal that would have broken most people. I would not

752
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: have gotten on TV had I said the comments about

753
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: whatever he said, which he apologized for and he deserved

754
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: forgiveness for, and he deserved to be on air. I

755
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: believe that was a big chance. A lot of people

756
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: would not have been able to get back on air,

757
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: and I think that may have taken him off of

758
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: who he is. Right, could you come in with such pressure?

759
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: You've now just said this thing, You've apologized, but you

760
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: know people are swirling and they're looking for you to fail.

761
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: And so I didn't always see like the Nick that

762
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: I love on that particular show. Could you beat that

763
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: on daytime? No? Because what you said, how do he

764
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: want you to k did a Middle America? I think

765
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: he could. He's got Nick Cannon is one of the

766
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: most successful people in entertainment bar none. I mean think

767
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: about all of the shows, so he has a huge

768
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: fan base. I think coming in under that pressure was

769
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: never going to change, right. He was coming in with

770
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: a cloud of people thinking, oh right, he got a shot,

771
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: Look what he said, Look what he did. And then

772
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, his personal life, which he was

773
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: so honest and open about, was used against him. I mean,

774
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: why he has, you know, kids or whatever. It was

775
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: these storylines that became overshadowing of his talent, and he's

776
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: so talented. No, that's true, because it's like you can't

777
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: even really get into discussions about the show because you

778
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: gotta dig to all the exactly and so all the

779
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: articles became about his personal life, not about he had

780
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox on. They had this amazing segment. I'm a

781
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: TV junkie. I watch everybody's show. I listened, so I

782
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: never watched him as competition. I watched as a fan.

783
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: But I feel like people didn't talk about the content.

784
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know how that was ever going to change,

785
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. So if you give him another year,

786
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: another six months, were they going to be able to

787
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: change what people were talking about, sadly, which was his

788
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: personal life and he owned it, he smiled about whatever. Well,

789
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: I don't. I just I thought, why aren't we talking

790
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: about his interviews or his content? And so that's what

791
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean by it. I don't know if a year

792
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: would have changed that. But if anybody's going to be

793
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: back on TV with sixty thou shows on TV, right,

794
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: he still is. He's got more shows and more millions

795
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: than I'll ever have. This Tamin Hall feel like a

796
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: successful talk show. Hosha. Yeah, okay, I do, I do?

797
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: I do? What talking about you? Man? That's an interesting question.

798
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: Why do you ask me that? Um? Just because it's like,

799
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: you know you, You came in and then everybody's like, oh,

800
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: we don't know if it's gonna last, But then you

801
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: got another season. Now you got renewed for two. So

802
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: now you breathe aside relief and like, okay, no, but

803
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: if everything was end now, you'd feel successful if every

804
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: think we're to end now? How do I guess? How

805
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: do you define success? What is success? Right? So? I

806
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: think for me, success is, yeah, I did something to

807
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: your point that people didn't think could be done, and

808
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: now we're about to go on our fourth and fifth season.

809
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how I listen. I was a success

810
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: the day that I was born. My mother beat the odds.

811
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: She was a nineteen year old single mom with no husband.

812
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: My grandfather brought me home with a second grade education.

813
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: He could not read. So I was a success when

814
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: I the day I came out of my mother's body

815
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: because no one expected her to be able to be

816
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: a great mom as a teenager, this country girl who

817
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: then moved to a bigger city. So I don't measure

818
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: it by the talk show. I really don't. I know

819
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: that sounds all. I Oh, I don't. I do not.

820
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't, because you you know, you'll define yourself by it.

821
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: There's a book that I recall, a Path of Light,

822
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: and it says are you what your card says beneath it?

823
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: So right now, whoever's listening, you all take out your occupation.

824
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: Are you still you? And I had to, very early

825
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: on in my life measure my life by that because

826
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: none of the people who I raised even had a

827
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: business card to have a title underneath it, so they

828
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: didn't measure themselves. So I wasn't raised to measure myself

829
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: by that. So and even doing things you're passionate about,

830
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: like your new show on Court TV, someone they knew, Yeah,

831
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: that has to feel good because that's something that you

832
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: really wanted to do. Yeah. Right, Because then now so

833
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: that going back to your question, you know, the success,

834
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: the success is being able to choose your projects right

835
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: and choose the things you want to do. So now

836
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: I do have that option. So Court TV came to

837
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: me and they said, we want to do a show

838
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: someone they knew, and we would like for you to

839
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: do it. I did a crime show called Deadline Crime

840
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: for six seasons, including when I was pregnant with Moses,

841
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: and I couldn't do it anymore because it was just

842
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: I was an emotional wreck. And you talk a lot

843
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: about mental health. Imagine reading a script about, you know,

844
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: a mother being murdered and I'm pregnant and I hadn't

845
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: told anybody, and I'm thinking, can I baby here this way?

846
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: Is he going to have anxiety? Like what am I doing?

847
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: And so I said, once I finished that last season,

848
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: I would never do it again. But I miss talking

849
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: to people and giving them an opportunity to be comforted

850
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: and giving them a chance to tell what happened to them.

851
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: And this show is fascinating to me because the common

852
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: denominator is someone they knew. I mean, the crime show

853
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: I did before was random crimes across the country, which

854
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: were all compelling, but this is right now, someone in

855
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: this room could snap, and these aren't like people who

856
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: who you're looking at, I'm not looking at Wait a minute,

857
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: it's the guy back there with the cap on. No.

858
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: But we talked about crime, especially in New York, of randomness.

859
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: You know, somebody jumping out of an alley, or someone

860
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: following you home, or a fender bender, and two people

861
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: get into it. But these are people that were brought

862
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: into the lives of the victim through no fault of

863
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: the victim. And it tells you a lot about greed, envy, jealousy, passion,

864
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: displaced passion, and what can happen. So the common thread is,

865
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: and I always tell people this show is not meant

866
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: to scare you, but it is to say that there

867
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: someone in your sphere, in your universe who could turn

868
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: into a different person, who could go from the friend

869
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: to a murderer. And that's what these stories are about.

870
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing and we see it all the time

871
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: on the news about you know a guy who works

872
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: in the building where you live and he's a superintendent. No, no,

873
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: these are people in their world like for women one

874
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: and for women are the victims of a domestic violence

875
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: crime and are saul that person is in their life

876
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: so it's not the guy who's you know, the door

877
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: guy or the guy who parked the car who suddenly

878
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: gets fascinated with These are like intimate individuals in the

879
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: lives of these people, and you wonder what drives someone.

880
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: You know, remember that movie Sleeping with the Internet. If

881
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: you're lying in bed with someone and you believe that

882
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: they love you, in with the same mouth and voice

883
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: that they say I love you, they can say I

884
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: hate you, right, And that's what's so fascinating. So this show,

885
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: um really is it's it's a head trip because you

886
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: do wonder how did that person go from being we

887
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: use that phrase ride or die. They go from being

888
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: your ride or die two wanting you to die. And

889
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I watched them like on the weekends,

890
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,959
Speaker 1: the shows on Me and the wife cleaning or whatever

891
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: we're doing, and this you always want. It's just so

892
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: interesting they are. And I can't watch them at night.

893
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: I watch all it's like watching a horror movie. So

894
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: I do it all before, Like my son wakes up

895
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: at five third am and I will turn on the

896
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: TV and my huse was like turning two, go I'm

897
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: gonna watch this, and I will binge it like six am,

898
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: seven am. They're so interesting. But from a human nature perspective,

899
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: I mean we're all by what we do. Um, we're

900
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: kind of the kind of like an archaeologist. We're studying

901
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: human behavior. So like, for example, when I walked in

902
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: this room, I could see you studying me, and I

903
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: was studying you. I start to look at body and language.

904
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: I hug Angela, but I didn't hug you. I get you.

905
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: And then you watch how people respond. No, no, you're

906
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: watching how people bod I could even tell when my

907
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: answer went too long because I can see it in

908
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: your eyes, Charlomagne, so you can I can see it. No,

909
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: you got your body shifted, so you know. And you

910
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: we all are like little investigators, right, and so these

911
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: shows turn you into investigators because you're wondering, Hey, how

912
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: do I avoid being a victim? Be? Could I prosecute this? See?

913
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: How would I investigate it? Which is also why I

914
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: wrote my crime book I'm a Crime series Jordan Manning

915
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: as the Wicked Watch. I'm actually fifteen chapters into the

916
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: follow up to that and that book, like this show

917
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: all inspired by human nature and I'm no professional. Let this,

918
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist who doesn't talk show. But I am

919
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: deeply fascinated by how people can take someone else's life,

920
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: especially someone they love. Especially you know, when you talk

921
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: about human behavior, the only reason all of us are

922
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: safe every day is because of human behavior, because we

923
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: make a choice not to go crazy on somebody. Yes,

924
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: I could you be pushed to it? Right? Could you

925
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: be put wash to a point of no return? I

926
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: think I could. You could never felt like I wanted to.

927
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: You know, somebody told me one time that, and I

928
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: totally disagree with this. But I've had a woman say

929
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: on my podcast that if a man doesn't ever feel

930
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: like he wants to kill you, he doesn't love you.

931
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: Well that's a lie. Um no, And I was like,

932
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: that's not true. What I mean by that is not

933
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: passionate love. When I had my son, they talk about

934
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: the Mama bear thing. I didn't know that was real

935
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: until I had my son. I could have. We were

936
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: walking one day and we lived in the city and

937
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: this man was just demonstrative walking and my baby was

938
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: just learning to walk, and he nearly knocked him over.

939
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: I saw stars, I saw I mean, it was one

940
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: of those moments like Oprah's to be brought oper and

941
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: color pro was like, hold my baby. I was like,

942
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: I was ready to kill this man and I had

943
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: I turned and before and I'm like cursing, and my

944
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: husband's like, what is this? And it was a rage

945
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: from the bottom of my feet. I can't believe I'm

946
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: admitting this to the top of my head that I

947
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: could have. I could see that I could. When's the

948
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: last time you wanted to kill somebody? As never that

949
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: was just a one time. Don't try to see this

950
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: is what you do. Don't you try to make me

951
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: man like Kamala Harrison will not fall for this nonsense.

952
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: Not gonna yard. I gotta have Nick Cannon mad at me,

953
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: like stam All said, he didn't even that is not

954
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: what I said. So let me clear that up. I

955
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: said that too many people weren't distracted by things that

956
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: didn't matter, which were Nick's great interviews. Angela said, don't

957
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: try to screw me with him, So no, I, um no, Honestly,

958
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: it was only when I had my baby that it

959
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: was this mama bear. When they tell you don't get

960
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: any middle of a bear cub and the mama bear,

961
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: I understood and understand that snap because I never felt

962
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: that away and it doesn't please. On top of that,

963
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: I got six. You know, it doesn't go. You feel

964
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: like you're on guard constantly. I'm ready to do it. Really,

965
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm ready to kill somebody with my kids. Yeah, I'm

966
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: not like, could you because we see so many stories

967
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: all the time, but people doing things and kids, I'm like,

968
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: and you know, we are the wishing wishing Nigga Wood

969
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: type of people. I wish mother. And that's okay, you said,

970
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: I won't say it, but that's how I feel with

971
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: my son. I feel like about your husband, do you

972
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: feel like, No, he's growing, he's fifty three, but if

973
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: somebody did something in him, you wouldn't be like, I'm

974
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: gonna kill that person. Oh no, we were getting going though.

975
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: It's my husband's different matter. I hop of course, of course,

976
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: this funny story. I was once engaged to a man,

977
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: uh and we went on vacation together and we parasled

978
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: and we were out in the ocean and Cosamelo somewhere

979
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: this is many years ago, and the parasel snapped, I

980
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: can't swim. I flew into the ocean. He was still

981
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: on the boat. I called off the wedding absolutely, that's

982
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: a true story. The guy on the boat, who didn't

983
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,479
Speaker 1: even speak English, was like swimming, Hey did it move?

984
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: He was a lifeguard growing up, so I may have

985
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: told him much. He goes, sume me, now what. I'm

986
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: just trying to look at all sides. Should say. Last weekend,

987
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: I think it was Miami fiance fell in the ocean.

988
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: The guy jumped in after her. Chop was the plan

989
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: the boat that was very sad. I'm going that would happened.

990
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm just saying likes not and all they did was

991
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: through the life rap for her and got her. But

992
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: he died for love. Yeah, but he should have let

993
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: the people on the boat do they No? I after

994
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: I didn't speak to him. We flew all the way

995
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: back and I said this is not gonna work. And

996
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: what was his explanation? I listen, I did not. I

997
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: did not. I did not. I was so upset and

998
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: so disappointed. He froze, you know, black planted was She

999
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: was like, don't freeze. Maybe he froze. Well we'll never

1000
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: know married, somebody'll never not that worked. But no, what

1001
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: I know? So, first of all, the parasel, I was

1002
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: terrified it was gonna come down over my head, but

1003
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: it fell behind me. I had a life jacket on.

1004
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: I can't swem. So now I'm thinking two things. Thank

1005
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: god the parasell did not. Then I'm like, Jaws is

1006
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: gonna eat my legs because I'm in the deepest part

1007
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: of the ocean. He might be thinking that too. He was,

1008
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: so you were like, I can't but lay it in

1009
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: jump there. You're like, wait a minute, what if there's jaws?

1010
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: Um no, my legs are dangling, and how far is

1011
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: the boat? They had to turn around because I flew

1012
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: it snapped and I flew out and pow hit the water.

1013
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: It's like submit, I could have died. And then they

1014
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: flew back around, came back and then I realized I

1015
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna go under, and I locked eyes with him

1016
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: and I was like doging battle for he didn't even

1017
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: try to explain himself, and you know, it's so long

1018
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: go but whatever he said wasn't suffice, and it wasn't

1019
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't enough because I remember getting on that boat

1020
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, this man will never ever b

1021
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: is like world Star. I'm trying. Yeah, you've been taking lessons, right,

1022
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: I've been. I still can't you can't you should come in, Well,

1023
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: my son can swim. I'm still learning. Isn't that terrible?

1024
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: Your son can swim and you're like love building people up?

1025
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: Isn't that terrible? What cap? That's how I feel when

1026
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: little kids be swimming circles around me and I'm like,

1027
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: why can I Still He's a part of my motivation,

1028
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: going back to that Mama bear. So when when we

1029
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: got our got our kid, when I had him and

1030
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: he's I said, okay, we have this pool, and you know,

1031
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: we do so many stories and it is so important.

1032
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: And I did a report on you know, there's this

1033
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: whole study on why people of color don't swim and

1034
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with an inability to swim. Um.

1035
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: It was a fascinating study from USA Swim that basically

1036
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: said two things. Um, when they asked young black girls,

1037
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: it was about our hair. Um, it was about her hair.

1038
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: But more important than that, because that was a very

1039
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: small percentage. You don't want to put your child in

1040
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: a situation where you can't save them. So so many

1041
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: black parents and parents of color can't swim. And so

1042
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: you say, I know you can swim, but I need

1043
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: to be able to save my baby. And so as

1044
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: a result, it has nothing to do with like a

1045
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: lack of swimming programs. You know a lot of people

1046
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: pointed to pools closing and areas. It had nothing to

1047
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: do with that. It was I cannot bring myself to

1048
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: put my baby in a position where they would be harmed,

1049
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: and I can't going back to Mama Bear, Daddy Bear,

1050
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: can't go in and save them. So that's been a

1051
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: part of it. So when I had Moses, I was like,

1052
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: I cannot possibly be here and not be able to

1053
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: launch into the first class I took. They taught me diving.

1054
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: So they would put these things and they said first

1055
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: class was diving. Well, no diving and retrieving because they said,

1056
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: we won't call it anything. We'll say a piece of

1057
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: something falls on and so we would never use that,

1058
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: you know that visual And so they were five or something.

1059
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: I needed it though, right, So they would put it

1060
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: in and I dive, and they taught me how, like

1061
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, your instinct is when you would dive in,

1062
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: you hold your breath, so you're panicking and something is underwater,

1063
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: go you dive in, Well, you're gonna run out of air.

1064
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: So they taught me how to push the air out

1065
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: going in so that I could go in. And so

1066
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: it was intense and it was terrifying. But going back

1067
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: to what you will do for love, that was one

1068
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: of the things. I respect you breaking that off door

1069
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: because it's like you can't really do those vows sickness

1070
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: and in health and all. You respect me now because

1071
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: you first were defending him and you said he could

1072
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: have been killed by random him? What I though, because

1073
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't would confidence say those vows knowing

1074
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: that you almost let your woman drown? Or I couldn't

1075
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: be confident in hearing him? What about my perspective? He

1076
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: could probably have said them, because I'm sure now I

1077
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: got to go find him on Facebook and I'll ask

1078
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: him why didn't he jump in? But have you ever

1079
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: been at a crossroad? I met your wife too. I

1080
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: met Charlomagne's beautiful wife at the Tyler Perry studio. Is

1081
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: there any have you been in a moment or cross

1082
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: road where you had to say I gotta jump it?

1083
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: Was there ever a confrontation with a god looking at her?

1084
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: Already Na not yet hopefully never too old now to

1085
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: be doing? Yeah? You got kids? Push ups? You ready?

1086
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: How old is Moses. Moses will be three in April.

1087
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: Three in April. When you when you're teaching one thing

1088
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: about swimming, just remember sometimes it doesn't matter that he

1089
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: can swim, but if kids are around him and grab him,

1090
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: even though if you could swim, so they teach you.

1091
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: If that's the case, tell Moses to go down under

1092
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: the water because when you go, okay, my heart is racing.

1093
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: Now you got my heart racing. I know. That's that's

1094
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: why I tease the kids swimming. And the reason I

1095
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: didn't never know how to swim is and queens. We

1096
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: didn't have swimming pool. Do you swim now? Swim to

1097
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: swim team? Oh your word? Yeah, So I took that

1098
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: even with the Beijing and your bid you still jump

1099
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: in the shut up? Is that that that's not being okay?

1100
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: But it's just the kids are young, like six seven months,

1101
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: I put them in the water. That's what we did.

1102
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: So that when he learning all my kids how to swim, great,

1103
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: see that's good. We did that with Moses. We started

1104
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: at he was a few weeks old. And actually I

1105
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: saw a gather union as a friend and I saw

1106
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: a copy in the one and I was like, Okay,

1107
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: look at her, she's doing it. I'm showing my infant

1108
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: these pictures like that, and she is a phenomenal swimmer,

1109
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: and I wanted him in the water. But it is

1110
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: truly one of those intimidating things, even still for me.

1111
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: But it is so important and there are so many

1112
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: misnomers about why black people don't swim in it. Just

1113
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: when I got involved with this organization, USA Swimming started studying,

1114
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: it was after I think it was three and I

1115
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: don't want to quote it wrong, but there was an

1116
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: incident in Louisiana where there was a sandbar and the

1117
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: children fell in and they drowned, and as adults were

1118
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: going out to save them, they were drowning. It's like

1119
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: three generations of a black family died. This was about

1120
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: ten years ago. I did the story. It was devastating,

1121
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: and nobody in the family and so the others were

1122
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: forced to stand at the shore and it was just

1123
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: like it blew my mind. It blew my mind, and

1124
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: it was that was also a part of the catalyst

1125
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: for me wanting to help them get the message out

1126
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: about this swim But you can come over, We'll help you.

1127
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: I know, I gotta learn how to swim? You do?

1128
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: How old are you? Uh? It's too old to not

1129
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: know how to swim. I should have never been a

1130
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: Disney World. I never saw The Lion King either. I

1131
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: saw the play, the Broadway play The Lion King. What okay?

1132
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: You judge me for not playing uno kidding? I have

1133
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: seen the Broadway play though I know that movie. You've

1134
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: never seen the movie. And I've been Disney Work, Disneyland.

1135
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: I've been at Disneyland in California, never disney World in Orlando.

1136
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: Why don't you guys take her for her birthday? No,

1137
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: thank you. I will go with you love in Disney World. No,

1138
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: we will not. No, we will not do that because

1139
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: there are a lot of kids in that water and

1140
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: everything else there. It is, you know what, It's very

1141
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: very fun. It is truly magical, and you have to

1142
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: get that iconic picture where you're right in the middle

1143
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: and it's behind. Do you have any nieces, their nephews

1144
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: or anything. I have a lot of younger cousins. You

1145
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: got you should do a family trip. It's expensive. I

1146
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: think I would go with my friends at this point

1147
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: now and my kids. I have three guid children. You

1148
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: know you should go I know you give great financial advice.

1149
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: Just it is expensive. I will start it is GOTTLANDA.

1150
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: She's already set it up. So when I go there

1151
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: next she's like, we're gonna go. It's it's it's a lot.

1152
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: You want to get the fast pass, you want to

1153
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: get a tour, you want to and then it's gonna

1154
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: it's a lot. Well, how to go next month? Am

1155
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: I too old to be a Disney child? No? Listen,

1156
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: do you know that Disney is the number one destination

1157
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: for couples to honeymoon? I could never honey that's too much.

1158
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: And they have the whole Disney wedding collection like people,

1159
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, like they had the Gucci Disney collaboration. They

1160
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: have people go and they design beautiful gowns inspired by

1161
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: the princesses. Yes, is that a worst? Yeah? My oldest

1162
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: daughter cheerleading. So they have the leaving competition there every April. No,

1163
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: it is, it is, It is truly you there. I'll

1164
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: let you know you're gonna make it there. You're like,

1165
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna Mars with Big David. Got make it there? See,

1166
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you could go to Morrow. You own like

1167
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: half of Brooklyn. I read every time about you buying

1168
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: another house another town. You should get on playing tonight

1169
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: and and fly right back, should just fly right there

1170
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: and go. You know what fascinated me? You had some

1171
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: of the a couple of the women from Tenders wind

1172
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: there on this terrifying. Yes, that was terrifying to me.

1173
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: But I feel like people didn't have a lot of

1174
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: sympathy for them. They didn't. People don't have sympathy for

1175
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: We do a lot of shows on UM this type

1176
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: of crime, this type of fraud that takes place, and

1177
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: we did one season, I think this season one or

1178
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: two of our show a woman she was a CIA

1179
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: spy and a man swindled her out of over a

1180
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: million dollars and people had no sympathy for her, and

1181
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: I don't. It breaks my heart and I try to

1182
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: explain it. Folks. Cons are good because they're cons. And

1183
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: when people say, oh, that wouldn't have ever happened to me, like, yes,

1184
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: that's what they do. It's like that's there. They spend

1185
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 1: their entire day trying to figure out how to get

1186
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: you to get you don't think you could do it.

1187
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: I watched Raw Food and Wine. I think you've never

1188
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: felt taken it. That was Rob Vegan. I saw that way.

1189
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: You've never felt taken advantage of ever in in a

1190
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: romantic sit Remember you bought the fake leather jacket jacket.

1191
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: I bought a fake leather jacket, but that was two

1192
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. You bought a fake It was on a train,

1193
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: but that's the beginning. It wasn't even on the train.

1194
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: But he put the fire against the leather and told

1195
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: me leather doesn't but you, okay, look at under stand

1196
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: out crazy. That's else. I bought a leather jacket with

1197
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: a guy with a flame torch, gave me a test.

1198
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: It was a great story. It is a great story.

1199
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: Was but that's what that's how it starts. There's only

1200
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars to fifty. That's a lot of a

1201
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: lot of money. And I felt that you buy seven

1202
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: jacket my whole life. But two fifty is the beginning.

1203
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: So if he first of all, two fifties a lot

1204
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: of money. Again, to buy a jacket on a subway

1205
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: with a flame, with a flame torch, fifty dollars, I

1206
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: could see two fifties a lot. So you bust some

1207
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: fake sneaked Look what you just said, he said it

1208
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: was real and that's what you got got and you

1209
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: can wear a fake less? Shut up? Do you do?

1210
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: You do? You die? Don't do nothing to you? You

1211
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: got us die? You know? Don't try to spink? Are

1212
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: you a pitch person for them? No? Ok, he's not

1213
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: mentioned it three times, but like any name I mentioned

1214
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: three times, he gets him. Do you have a No?

1215
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: People always ask about your skin. Everyone always talking about beautiful.

1216
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: They have a dermatologist, doctor sandy, but it's beautiful. I

1217
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: don't use tammer. Have you ever been swindows? Have I

1218
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: ever been swindled? Like swing or anything? He's talking about

1219
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: the flames like, no, have yes? Fake? I've never bought

1220
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: anything fake? But you get Oh. I can't tell the

1221
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: story no, because it involves the legal stuff now because

1222
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: I I don't know that much. I didn't lose it.

1223
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: I got it back. But how much did they take

1224
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: before you got it back? Uh? They I had deposited

1225
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars wow, and and then uh because of

1226
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: her service related to my child. And then the service

1227
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: turned out not to be legitimate. And then I had

1228
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: to go and get it back, get it back. And

1229
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: he could have butt twenty Lesack. I, I'm like, I

1230
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: hate being engaging, but it did get legal, so I

1231
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: can't get should be watching like you really, I now

1232
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: I want my money back. Um, But it's you know,

1233
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: with the dating thing, it's about getting someone when they're vulnerable,

1234
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: and love makes us so vulnerable going back and man,

1235
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this a thematic show. The

1236
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: love of your child, the lack of love with the

1237
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: guy didn't jump in to save me any of these things.

1238
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: It's it's love and they zero in on it. I

1239
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: had the ten Swindler women on and to your point,

1240
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: you think, like at the point they're asking for oh,

1241
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: my check didn't come in. If you front me this,

1242
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: I'll give it back, they just nibble away. At the

1243
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: same time they're love bombing them. They're showering them with gifts,

1244
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: and in that case, he was buying gifts with the

1245
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: money from other women. So you're thinking, oh, he just

1246
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: took me on a four thousand dollars you know, dinner,

1247
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: so he's got to have the money. I'm on a

1248
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: private jet. He'll give it back. But yeah, it is

1249
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: a huge problem, and think about it. These are the

1250
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: people who come on TV do you know how many

1251
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: others that you know who stay silent, right, and who

1252
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: don't tell how they've been taking advantage of It's crazy,

1253
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: but I see how it can. Thank god has ever happened,

1254
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: But I see how it can. Yeah, why don't that?

1255
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: I saw how it could happen because he was definitely

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of things. He's fulling up in a Lamborghini.

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Speaker 1: You don't think he has stolen it, and he's taking

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Speaker 1: them on trips on private plane, and then you're believing

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Speaker 1: that his life is in danger because people are acting. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's when he lost charity, got beat up and he's

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Speaker 1: too much. We always remember when they start adding on

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Speaker 1: like so that they say they're the tells with a lie,

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Speaker 1: and so obviously you watch the eyes. If the eyes

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Speaker 1: go down and go up, they're different tells. When people

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Speaker 1: start adding on too much detail, right, that's when you

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Speaker 1: know simple they keep keep your lie simple. If you ever.

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Speaker 1: I hate to give you this advice, but when doing

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Speaker 1: a crime show, and I do, I view a lot

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Speaker 1: of interrogation video and looking even with my new show

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Speaker 1: at you know, we have a one guy, we have

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Speaker 1: his interrogation video and I was sitting there the whole time.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, please stop. He just kept going. And you

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Speaker 1: know they say, talk yourself into a lie. He just

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Speaker 1: keep your lie first. I'll always commit the crime by yourself.

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Speaker 1: Never because if you're gonna do any with anybody, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna tell every crime. What else should we do? Angela,

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Speaker 1: don't do it at Disney, the cameras everywhere. No, I

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Speaker 1: do a crime show. So again going back to a

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Speaker 1: charlottage and say, you study people. And one of the

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Speaker 1: things I always tell people everybody, you get caught when

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01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: you do it with somebody else. If you're going to

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01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: rob the bank, just leave the car out front and

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: don't take anyone because they're going to tell on you.

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Speaker 1: That's the first thing. The second thing is keep it simple, stupid.

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Speaker 1: Keep it simple, stupid. Do not go into the interrogation

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Speaker 1: room believing that you can trick them. You cannot trick

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Speaker 1: those investigators. It's all they do all day long is

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Speaker 1: hear people lie. It's just like I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: when people are lying in an interview I do. I

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01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: interview people and I'm like, this is not a true story,

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Speaker 1: or this is a TV version of the story. They know, right.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you something because you use this

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Speaker 1: word a couple of times throughout the interview journalism? Do

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Speaker 1: you think there are still such things as objective journalism?

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01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: Are as everything? It was never objective, It was never objective.

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Speaker 1: How can it be? We're humans, We go home to

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01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: our lives. We go home. So you're telling me it's

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Speaker 1: like when you know, going back to my show, um,

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01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: when they say to the jury strike what you just heard?

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Speaker 1: How do you how I possible? So we go in

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Speaker 1: with our biases, we go in with our beliefs, we

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01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: go in with our perspective, and how you extract that

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01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: would make you one of the most incredible people ever.

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01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: And that would be Jesus, because I don't think it's possible.

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: And now you can try to suppress some of it.

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01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: But going back to you know, the book that I wrote,

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01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: and when we talked about missing black and brow people

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Speaker 1: pick white blonde women to leave for a reason, that's

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01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: not that's a bias, because you'll believe that the audience

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01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: values that life more or will not turn it from

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Speaker 1: that story. That's the reason why people I was on

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Speaker 1: a couple of shows and people, well, why do you

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01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: think this continues to happen? We know the answer. Why

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01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: So then why does that happen? Because people have biases.

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01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: They see that looks like my daughter, That could be

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Speaker 1: my kid, she looks just like my daughter's friend. Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, that could happen in my neighborhood. Reporters are

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Speaker 1: just people. It's impossible. And I know a lot of

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01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: my colleagues will greatly disagree with me and may not

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01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: be happy with me saying that I've been in newsrooms

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Speaker 1: for thirty years. I'm in the newsroom with people, not robots,

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Speaker 1: and you hear and see every day. And that doesn't

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01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: mean it's a negative, right, because sometimes your perspective and

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01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: bias can help. But there's no way, there's no So

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Speaker 1: how do you trust any of these networks CNN, MSNBC, Fox,

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Speaker 1: because it's all opinion based. How do I know that

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Speaker 1: it is giving me the facts as they know them.

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Speaker 1: You don't. I mean, you're asking me a beginning of

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Speaker 1: time question that this is. I mean, journalism didn't start

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Speaker 1: with MSNBC. I know people believe that, but it did not.

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Speaker 1: I mean the history of journalism, muckraking. You know, look

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Speaker 1: at we even talk about dirty politics. I won't bore

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Speaker 1: you but take a second and look at the Thomas

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Speaker 1: Jefferson attacks. I mean, just it is, It's incredible. So

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Speaker 1: I feel like, not to oversimplify, but just even Alexander

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Speaker 1: Hamilton and everyone loves Hamilton, when I bring that up,

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Speaker 1: that was a dirty politics. I mean, this isn't new

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Speaker 1: journalism being used to demean Look at some of the

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01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: people love cartoons, you know, political cartoons. You've seen some

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Speaker 1: of the political cartoons of Irish people, Italian people, black people.

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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about how we were made to

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01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: look in political cartoons. These exaggerated, you know, monstrous ways.

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Speaker 1: This is part of the political agenda since people could

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01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: pick up a pin in a paper without words. So

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Speaker 1: the idea that CNN, MSNBC or fix started this is ridiculous.

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01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: And the idea that human beings who come in from

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Speaker 1: very different worlds and sometimes the people they're reporting on.

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Speaker 1: I just saw a whole conversation about monetizing journalism. We

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01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: know people you and I in journalism who make sixty

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01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: million dollars. What are you going to do to keep

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01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: that sixty million dollars? Chet You're not. You're gonna do

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Speaker 1: what you need to do. You're gonna go on TV

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01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: and say some crazy things if that's what you're paying

1354
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: to say. Anything that's monetized is corrupt. Anything that's monetized

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Speaker 1: is tainted. And when you make millions of millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars as a journalist, which I hope too, it's going

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01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: to impact you. It is, And that's a lie when

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Speaker 1: people say that it doesn't. You make eight million dollars

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01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: a year. What are you going to do to keep

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Speaker 1: making that eight million? First of all, why why? And

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Speaker 1: I say that knowing again that I want all of

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Speaker 1: us to have eight to twenty to thirty million dollars contracts?

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Speaker 1: But why if you're not a war correspondent, right because

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Speaker 1: those people are putting it in on the line. What

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01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: you see out of Ukraine is incredible reporting that I

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Speaker 1: don't and I couldn't ever do. But I do think

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Speaker 1: that that's not though to say that there aren't honest journalists,

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Speaker 1: I think most journalists are honest. Honest and bias are

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Speaker 1: two different things. So what is a journalist because I

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Speaker 1: feel like all of them are bias? Oh, what is

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Speaker 1: a journalist? It's somebody who reports what they see and

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Speaker 1: what they hear, and that's what we're supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 1: Now what is opinion? That's different. But a journalist. I

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Speaker 1: just did a interview with Cheek and Coody. They did

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Speaker 1: the documentary. It's phenomenal. It's phenomenal documentary. They are journalists

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Speaker 1: to me. They picked up a camera and they journaled

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Speaker 1: and chronicled the rise of Kanye West into what he

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01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: is now, which I believe is a genius. So they

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Speaker 1: follow that. That's journalism to me. Anybody can pick up

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Speaker 1: their phone and the citizen reporters. Half of the crimes

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01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: against black people related to police are because one person,

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01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: George Floyd, she picked up the camera. You know what

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01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean that she's a journalist. She's also brave and

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01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: a transformational person in this conversation of police brutality. But

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, she was a journalist.

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01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: She picked up that phone and chronicled what she saw

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Speaker 1: in an unbiased way, but then turned it over from

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Speaker 1: the perspective of being black and knowing that that could

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01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: have been her too. So I think anyone can be

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Speaker 1: a journalist. Opinion is very different, and that's you know,

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01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: after seven PM or whatever, I feel like everything is

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: opinion based. Now, No, I don't think that's true. I

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01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: don't think there's a clear difference I feel between what

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01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: happens from nine until five or whatever, and then after

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01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: five I think I think. I think so that's part

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Speaker 1: of why representation matters so much, because we do have

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01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: our own biases that we bring with us. Like you said,

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01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,879
Speaker 1: but you want people that also have a similar experience

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01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: because the way they tell the story is different. Well,

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01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: I think if someone is from the outside that maybe

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01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 1: doesn't understand cultural things. Well, I think it's a complicated

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01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: answer because I just had somebody on recently who said,

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Speaker 1: you know, well, as a white guy, I was in

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01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: over my skis to talk about George Floyd, and I said, wait,

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01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: but you can't view it that way either, because I

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01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: don't need to walk in your shoes to tell you

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01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: that it's wrong. So, for example, I'm a kid from

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, Texas, rural Texas. The only Jewish person I

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01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: knew growing up was Jesus. Right when I first learned

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: about the Holocaust. I think it was in the fifth grade.

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01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: My teacher didn't have to tell me that was wrong.

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01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: My teacher didn't have to say, oh my God, I

1413
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 1: didn't need to be Jewish practice the faith, practice, the culture,

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01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: go to a sad or dinner or any of that.

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01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: I knew what I saw on there was wrong, So

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01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: I don't personally need to walk a white colleague through

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01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: why George Floyd was wrong. And you can't let people

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: off the hook by saying, oh, well, no, I think

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01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: you still responsibility to report and know when something's wrong.

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01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: But I also feel like somebody that can relate to

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: something more when I watched that type of reporting, Yes,

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01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: it's important to have absolutely like if you have somebody

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01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: who's from say they're talking about our mayor Eric Adams,

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01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: and you have somebody that's from here that as opposed

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Speaker 1: to somebody that's from Texas. Yeah, yeah, I agree, it

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01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: is a little bit. It is absolutely different. I think though,

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Speaker 1: what what what happens though, is people didn't use it

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01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: as an excuse not to know right. Right. So I'm

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Speaker 1: a reporter from Texas. It was my job to learn

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Speaker 1: New York. It was my job to learn Flatbush or

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: Crown Heights. It was my job. So I can't go

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01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: into my newsroom and say, oh, I'm from Texas, So

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01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm bowing out. And when it comes to race and gender,

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01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of people bow out and use

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01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: that as an excuse. Well, I'm not a woman, so

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Speaker 1: I'll never know. Well, you know, a woman, I'm not glad,

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01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: so I'm in over my ski. So I really am

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01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: gonna I can't talk about that because I don't know.

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01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: You're a human, You're a human, You're a human, and

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01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: so I just I am always careful of when people

1441
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: talk about you know that, because they use it as

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01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: an excuse for them not to know. Our diversity is

1443
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: important in the room for exactly what you said. It

1444
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: sometimes is used against us in the sense that it

1445
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: lets people off the hook for them not to learn.

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01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: That's why guy loves seeing the conversations where they have

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01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: panels and different people, different perspectives can talk about the

1448
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: same Well, that's why this show works. I mean, that's

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01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: why you're a hugely successful show because you come in,

1450
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: you bring your perspective, DJ and you guys bring your perspective.

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01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: And that's why a show like this And I'm not

1452
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: just saying it because I'm here as a guest, this

1453
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: is what one day. People might not agree with something

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: you say, they like what he says in back. That's

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01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: why the view was such a hugely popular show that

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01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: and that's why everyone tried to do panel shows. The

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01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: key though, you have to have the right component and

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01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: you have the ability and agency to speak up just

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01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: as much as they do, which makes the show compelling.

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01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: You're not just the woman they're representing us. You're a

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Speaker 1: strong voice representing us. Williams last week, I was it

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Speaker 1: important for you to do that? Wendy has done something.

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Speaker 1: There are there's a morgue of dead daytime careers, you

1464
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: know where people Yeah, I can tell you listen to rappers.

1465
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: You and the morgue of dead daytime meaning that was

1466
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 1: like Court TV slash rappers leaving. I'm taking dre My

1467
01:12:55,720 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: God bird man. I'm gonna take this flap though. What

1468
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: I said no, because I really it's not the kind

1469
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: of show I would have done. I'm gonna be very honest.

1470
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: But she did it so brilliantly and did it for

1471
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: over a decade, and when people would say, oh she

1472
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: was this, she was. Nobody should be feeling sorry for

1473
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: Howard Stern. No, a list celebrities still go on his

1474
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: show despite things that he said, and he's the king

1475
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: of media, and I would hear people say I don't

1476
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: want to go on Wendy, but they would go on

1477
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: his show. And I thought, this is a double standard.

1478
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: She is doing the shocking style of performance, which is

1479
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. But she was somehow penalized in

1480
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: the eyes of some people. But she stayed on for

1481
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: thirteen years. She survived. Google how many failed daytime shows

1482
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: happened while she was on doing more with less. It

1483
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: was a chair and a woman who was an excellent

1484
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: performer in that style of television, and she deserves that

1485
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: that acknowledgement. I mean, I'm getting out hot now. Maybe

1486
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: be bad because I just feel like people like I said,

1487
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: to listen, there are a lot of things that I

1488
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: did not agree with, and they're the Whitney Houston think.

1489
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: It still bugs me to this day. Um, and there

1490
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: are a lot of other things. But that's said. I

1491
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 1: felt there was an unfair level unfair, a level of

1492
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: unfairness directed at her style when a comparable peer who

1493
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: did a similar show was still seen as a list

1494
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think she'd be next?

1495
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: For us? She'd do it. I've been hearing about the view.

1496
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I don't know because I don't

1497
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: know what it is right. I mean, she was on

1498
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: with t J. Holmes. I commented only because she came

1499
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: out on with t J. Holmes and and talk with

1500
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: him on Good Morning America. I don't know. I don't know.

1501
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: I you know, I I've only met her a couple

1502
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: of times, and I'm the last time I saw her,

1503
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: we were in Philadelphia and she was at the train

1504
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 1: depot with some friends. I guess they were her team,

1505
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: some members of her team, and you know, she was like,

1506
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: I look terrible right now, you know, don't look mind,

1507
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,839
Speaker 1: And she started telling me about the the thyroid and whatnot.

1508
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: And I, you know, I don't know. It breaks my heart.

1509
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: It breaks my heart, it really does. And I don't

1510
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: know her as well as you do, Um, but it does.

1511
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 1: And I'm I don't know, I don't everybody knows you

1512
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: were close with friends. Do you feel like his legacy

1513
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: is being represented correctly? Well? I think he had a

1514
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: choice to map out a better plan, and he chose

1515
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: not to map out a better plan. And he's very

1516
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: the smartest human being I've ever met. Second and Nick Cannon.

1517
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: Don't try to about Nick Cannon. Um, it's brilliant. And

1518
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I said Nick Cannon was second friend. No,

1519
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: he thought out everything, every detail, and I cannot imagine

1520
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: that it did not once cross his mind that he

1521
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: did not have a plan for what happens. So I

1522
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: guess I choose to assume that he didn't care what

1523
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: was going to happen. Well, maybe sometimes you don't know

1524
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: the end is coming. You think you have time. That's

1525
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: all he talked about. Was then, really, no, the afterlife?

1526
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,839
Speaker 1: What is that like? Yeah? No, he he talked about

1527
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: a lot that this is not the end game place, right,

1528
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: that there is a much more for us to know

1529
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: spiritually and to be connected to spiritually. I don't think

1530
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: he was as tied to these things as we believe,

1531
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: and that's why he left these things for others to

1532
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: deal with. I don't believe he was as tied to

1533
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 1: it as people thought. With the show, someone they knew,

1534
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: there was a personal incident that kind of made you

1535
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 1: gravitate towards this series as well. Right, Yes, we've talked

1536
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: a little bit about it before. Um My sister was

1537
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: murdered in an unsolved crime and the person of interest, um,

1538
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,759
Speaker 1: the only person of interest was someone in her life.

1539
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: And so that goes back to what we were talking about, UM,

1540
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: who amongst you could turn into somebody that you don't recognize,

1541
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: and so I don't. I was not there on the

1542
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: night that she lost her life, but it was very

1543
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: much aware over our years. My sister was extremely beautiful, UM,

1544
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: so vibrant and fun like she know how to player,

1545
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: who know UM and just like the really a life

1546
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: of the party kind of person. But UM, she had

1547
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: in her past had some very violent relationships and it

1548
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: wasn't just one. And so what I started to talk

1549
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: about more than the night that she lost her life

1550
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 1: with things that I was present too, and I was

1551
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: there when things happened to her that were horrifying, and

1552
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: it did make me wonder about safety as a woman

1553
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: and all of those things. Oh yeah, yeah. What's what's

1554
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: your experience been like, you know, hosting the Tamarin Holshi,

1555
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: What's been the biggest challenge? Oh? Standing standing up for yourself,

1556
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: you know. I mean we all have shows that we

1557
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: had ideas that we want to do and then people

1558
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: start coming in the room, they try to change you

1559
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: or change how you handle the show or what I

1560
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: think that I'm I'm happy that I have the show

1561
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: now in that my back was against the wall when

1562
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,480
Speaker 1: I started it, so I navigate more strategically and more confidently.

1563
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is, sometimes people don't agree

1564
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: with decisions that are made. I stand up for myself.

1565
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going to shrink down, and I'm not going

1566
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: to I went into rooms with people and fought for

1567
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: this show to be on TV, so I'm not going

1568
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: to lean out of that for anybody. But I'm always

1569
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 1: open to ideas. But the hardest part, really, other than

1570
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: a global pandemic, has been just expectations, right, um, expectations

1571
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: of myself and what I have of my staff. And

1572
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: when you talk about double standards, when you boss up

1573
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: in that way, oh my gosh, you're all types of

1574
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I read things. It's an ongoing joke now

1575
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: with me and my team. I walk in, I go,

1576
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 1: am I scary as they say, I am there. I

1577
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: learned by the second season. I just learned that it

1578
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: was a template, right, this is what they do. It's like, Okay,

1579
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: now the show is popular, she's out there. What are

1580
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:54,839
Speaker 1: we gonna say? Difficult, angry? This that toxic blah blah blah.

1581
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, to someone working as hard

1582
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: as we do may be their definition of toxic. I

1583
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: don't know. So I would never tell someone how to feel,

1584
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: and if that's how you feel, I always listen to

1585
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: the staff. I'm there to have the conversation. But if

1586
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: you believe that we're going to give our audience a

1587
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: product that is beneath them, we're not doing that. I

1588
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: mean we call our audience the tam Fam. I work

1589
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: every day to make sure that when a guest like

1590
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: you come, I said, Charlemagne's coming out, I don't want

1591
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: people just to think that he is a shock jock

1592
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: or whatever their perception. He has layers. He's a husband,

1593
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: he's a dad. That's why we brought you on on

1594
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: the show that you were on, because I said in

1595
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 1: a room and said, he's not one dimensional. I don't

1596
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: want him on for two minutes to come on and

1597
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: talk about some headline that he said this about somebody

1598
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: and got into it or somebody. No, I want the

1599
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 1: audience to know him. You know, people still come up

1600
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,799
Speaker 1: to me now and talk to me about that episode

1601
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: episode about mental health people, I mean random people an airport.

1602
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: I saw you want tammeron hall talking about mental health. Well,

1603
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Because I actually had and i'll take you

1604
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: behind the scene. I had not a clash, but I

1605
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: had to sit down a producer and say, this is

1606
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: what we're doing with him, because it was important to

1607
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: show you as the multidimensional human being that you are

1608
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: not Oh this guy on the radio that I may

1609
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: or may not have heard of. You are internationally famous.

1610
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: This show is internationally known. But that said, everybody don't

1611
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 1: know you. So you got to take them through the journey.

1612
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: And so for me, that was important. Now, that might

1613
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: have been a hard segment for that producer because it

1614
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: took more time, but it paid off and they loved

1615
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: the segment, and I was happy. You love the segment

1616
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: and the audience resonated. So you know nothing. You don't

1617
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: get to do something easy and just expect there to

1618
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: be rewards. You got, I know, you got to know

1619
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: the man who would have jumped in the ocean for me.

1620
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: You know how to swim. Now, so you don't know

1621
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: you think you would take you to get We just

1622
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: don't know. Why don't you said something earlier, fools and

1623
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 1: we'll punk him, like, what's that show? You said something

1624
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 1: earlier that made me think because you said it was

1625
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: something about loving fear, and I was like, well, what

1626
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: if fear overpowers love? I think it's better to be feared.

1627
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: What I'm saying in that moment, you could love this person.

1628
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: Quit trying to make excuse saying. It's just like, we

1629
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: need to hear both sides. You need to hear an

1630
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: objective journalists, an opinion journalist. What other what could he

1631
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 1: tell you? I was terrified that jumping in as a

1632
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: trained lifeguard to save her, he didn't even have to

1633
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: go reach for me. Maybe just peddle around me and say, babe,

1634
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. You're they're gonna pull you out.

1635
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: What if you threw a rope? Rope, go get your

1636
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: If it throws a rope, okay, I'm gonna wrap it

1637
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: around my waistingle pull in, no damn it before you leave.

1638
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: I had one more question, because if you know you're

1639
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: looking at your wife, I'm not looking at my watch

1640
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: my husband. Call um. So what do you do when

1641
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: somebody tells you there's a guest coming on and they

1642
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about a certain topic, right right?

1643
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: Do you? Oh? I think about that? I do, because,

1644
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: for example, some guests don't like talking about Exus and

1645
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: naring the current relationship. I agree with that. I would

1646
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: never have DJ in beyond about another relationship because he's

1647
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: not his wife is there. I always tell people like

1648
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: they'll have a we'll have a guest on and they'll say,

1649
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: let's ask about you know the man she dated three

1650
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: years ago that happened to be famous or whatever, And

1651
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: I said, but she's not with him. Now. Imagine going

1652
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: to a dinner party and I ask you in front

1653
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: of your new guy about the guy three times back.

1654
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: That's rude. And so I feel like there's got to

1655
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: be some decency for me, right, And I don't want

1656
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: anybody to feel ambushed. I mean, we had Andrew gillam on.

1657
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean that was a top one, and people were

1658
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: mad that I didn't say, well, are you gay? And

1659
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, why did I need to ask that question?

1660
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 1: That wasn't He told me what he wanted me to know, right,

1661
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: And I can still do a thoughtful interview. There are

1662
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: certain things that I'm happy we didn't talk about here

1663
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: because it's just I'm not afraid of any answer. But

1664
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: we know we live in a clickbait world, right, and

1665
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: so you both are going to be guests on my

1666
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 1: show very soon. I could have my team dig up

1667
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: all kinds of well once I read on the Shade

1668
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: Room and I saw this, and dada, what purpose does

1669
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: that serve any of us? So for me, I want

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Speaker 1: you to feel safe. I want you to feel that

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Speaker 1: there's grace and mistakes. That's why I said with Nick

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01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 1: Cannon being able to get back on air, he deserved

1673
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 1: that shot. I want to interview Kanye West. I don't

1674
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:55,799
Speaker 1: agree with some of the incoming traffic that's coming his way.

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01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,759
Speaker 1: I think people deserve grace. I think they deserve space.

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Speaker 1: But that said, when you have a high profile individual,

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01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: they should be prepared to answer tough question. Yeah, I

1678
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: thought you gave Andrew a lot of grace and I

1679
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 1: liked how you handled that because it didn't feel exploitive.

1680
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Speaker 1: And that's what I don't want to do right. And

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01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: even when people and you guys do a great job,

1682
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: when folks come in here and they're in the midst

1683
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: of a scandal, they should be prepared. Oprah says, you

1684
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 1: cannot tell me what to ask you. You are in

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Speaker 1: charge of how you answer, and so I always come

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Speaker 1: in knowing that people might ask me something that I'm

1687
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 1: not like I don't fully talk about Prince for a

1688
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: lot of reasons, but I don't. But I'm always prepared

1689
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Speaker 1: for it, so they should be prepared. We're big kids,

1690
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Speaker 1: We're on a big stage. You got a big stage,

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Speaker 1: and if you want to stand on that stage, you

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01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 1: got to be ready for the questions. And so that's

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01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: how I approached the show. Some people have been nasty

1694
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: about it, and I just decline their appearance. I just say,

1695
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Speaker 1: we can't. We can negotiate. And some people will say, oh,

1696
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Speaker 1: I can't talk about it for legal reasons. I know

1697
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 1: when they're not telling the truth about that, and I'll say, okay,

1698
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Speaker 1: well what about this. But if there's a hard knowing,

1699
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: it's important to the audience to know, and I would

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01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: rather pass. And I have said, come back when you're

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Speaker 1: ready to talk. Okay, And congratulations on everything too, myst

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Speaker 1: my first time, I was a little bit nervous, really

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Speaker 1: not scared, nervous because none of you would jump in

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Speaker 1: the water to say, man, I knew that I can't

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Speaker 1: We're in the middle of Mexico and the ocean. All

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and please do not start any

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Speaker 1: static with me and Nick Cannon. I have nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with that. Whatever comes to this will this. All

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Speaker 1: are you Donkey today does not discriminate. I might not

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Speaker 1: have the song of today. But I got to don't

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Speaker 1: get that. So if you ever feel I need to

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Speaker 1: Please don't give today today? Wow, don't hear? The day

1731
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Speaker 1: goes to John F. Kennedy Middle School in Connecticut, in particular,

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01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: a teacher name Bree Wharton. She's the district's health and

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01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: physical education coordinator, and superintendent Christopher Dreesick I think I'm

1734
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: for nothing his last name right now. I have extreme

1735
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: love for public school team, just dropping the clues bombs

1736
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: for all the public school teams shot down because my

1737
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: mother has been a public school teacher in South Carolina

1738
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: for as long as I've been alive, and I understand

1739
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: the impact that public school teachers have on kids. And

1740
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: I know how hard that job is because you have

1741
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: to truly love it because it's not like to pay

1742
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: as your incentive. I mean, you have to really care

1743
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: for these kids in their well being. Lesson plans, assignments,

1744
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: all of these things teachers come up with the educate kids.

1745
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: We appreciate you dropping another clul's bomb for teachers man,

1746
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: public school teachers. We know it's not easy and in

1747
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: this era of social media, video games, all types of

1748
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 1: things just pulling at these kids attention, cutting through to

1749
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: these children and creating things that can actually appeal to

1750
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: these kids is tough. So I'm not judging, okay, but

1751
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: as a parent of a middle schooler, I would be

1752
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: concerned about this lesson plan that came out of JFK

1753
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,480
Speaker 1: Middle School. I'm holding it in my hand right now, okay,

1754
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: And the title is Pizza in Consent. Okay. Basically, kids

1755
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: at JFK Middle School in Connecticut were instructed to use

1756
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: pizza as a metaphor for sex and ask to site

1757
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: their favorite toppings. For example, cheese was for kissing and

1758
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 1: olives were forgiving oral Basically, they compared ordering a pizza

1759
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: to receiving consent. I guess I can't make this kind

1760
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: of stuff up. Listen to Eric Sanzi, director of outreach

1761
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: for Parents Defending Education. She did an interview with ABC

1762
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 1: seven KATV to describe the assignment. The assignment started out

1763
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 1: with a sentence that said, yes, pizza can be a

1764
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: metaphor for sex, and then it went on to explain

1765
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: that just like when friends have to agree on pizza

1766
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: toppings when they're sharing a pizza, that people need to

1767
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: agree on what they're willing to do and not do

1768
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: in terms of consent, and so they decided to have

1769
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: the students list their sexual likes and dislikes and then

1770
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: draw them on a pizza as pizza toppings. Now, again,

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01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 1: these are eighth graders, and it's important to keep in

1772
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: mind under fifteen percent of eighth graders have had sex.

1773
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 1: So they're being asked very personal questions on a topic

1774
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: that many of them are totally inexperienced with and likely

1775
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: uncomfortable talking about in school. This is middle school. How

1776
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:10,799
Speaker 1: many topics do you think I've had them on pizza

1777
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: in middle school? Now? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but

1778
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 1: I enjoy a great conspiracy theory, and Pizza Gate was

1779
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: a great conspiracy theory. You remember pizza Gate, don't you?

1780
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: Had a false allegation that the Clinton's used the comic

1781
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 1: Ping Pong pizza restaurant and Washington, DC is a front

1782
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 1: for a pedophile sex ring in the back room was

1783
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: supposedly used for kidnapping and kidnapping and trafficking children. Okay, Now,

1784
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: of course all of this was proven to be false,

1785
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: but it made a lot of noise, all right. The

1786
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: owner of Ping Pong and his staff received death threats.

1787
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: People protested outside of the restaurant. A guy actually went

1788
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: in the restaurant and fired a gun at an employee.

1789
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: See these fake stories be having real world consequences. Okay,

1790
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: people believe these conspiracy theories, and when you promote these

1791
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: false and reckless conspiracy theories, bad things happen. I'm saying

1792
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: all that to say JFK Middle School in Connecticut has

1793
01:30:56,360 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: done nothing but contributed to that conspiracy theory. I don't

1794
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: even know if Pizza Gate is still a thing, but

1795
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 1: this right here is going to resurrect it. All right. Listen,

1796
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: My daughter is in a grade she's thirteen. These kids

1797
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: are watching shows like Euphoria. These kids have social media.

1798
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: These kids talk amongst each other. Do you remember when

1799
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: you were thirteen, twelve, eleven, whatever age we were in

1800
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: middle school, we was already talking about sex in the

1801
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: real way. So I can only imagine with all our

1802
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: access these kids have now what their conversations are like.

1803
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: So you don't need stunch like this. Just talk to

1804
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: the kids. Okay, let's talk to them, all right, listen,

1805
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: let me let me reach out some of this. This

1806
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: is why they use the metaphor for sex, they say.

1807
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: When you order your pizza with friends, everyone checks in

1808
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: about each other's preferences. Some people might be vegan, some

1809
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: people might be gluten free. Others might love pineapple while

1810
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: others prefer pepperoni. Some might not like pizza at all.

1811
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: If you're a vegetarian but your friend is a meat lover,

1812
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: sharing a pizza is gonna bring up a lot of issues.

1813
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: You don't know who you can share your pizza with

1814
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: unless you ask, Okay, didn't they say the same goals

1815
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: with sex? No? What are he talking about the metaphor?

1816
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: To make no s the correlation makes no sense. You

1817
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 1: have to check in with your partners and ask for

1818
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: their preferences. Your partner might be comfortable with one sexual

1819
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 1: activity but not another. Maybe your partners only want to

1820
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: be touched a certain way, or maybe your partners prefer

1821
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: to use certain language, or maybe they don't want to

1822
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: have sex at all. You'll never know your wants, desires,

1823
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: and you'll never know if your wants, desires, and boundaries

1824
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: are compatible with theirs unless you ask. No, I don't

1825
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 1: want y'all asking my daughter about any of that? And

1826
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: once again, furthermore, how many toppings do you think these

1827
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: kids have had in middle school? Middle school? I would

1828
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: hope these kids are virgins. Okay, just playing cheese pizzas

1829
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: matter of fact, No cheese, no tomato, sauce, just raw dough.

1830
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: You know that hasn't even been putting up in yet.

1831
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 1: All right. Amanda, who is a parent from that school district,

1832
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: took to social media to express her discuss with the assignment.

1833
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Amanda. Just last week, a school assignment

1834
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: and JFK label pizza in content were sent out for students.

1835
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 1: What's pizza got to do with it? You wonder we

1836
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: can use pizza as a metaphor for sex. Those are

1837
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: the first two lines of this assignment, which are centered

1838
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: around established consent and boundaries, except for page two, where

1839
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: it takes it one step further in states. Now that

1840
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: you know the metaphor for sex, let's explore your preference,

1841
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: draw and color your favorite type of pizza. Mirror these

1842
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: preferences in relation to sex. Here are some examples, like

1843
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: cheese equals kissing, dislikes olives equals giving oral Since one

1844
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: has become acceptable for a teacher to ask a student

1845
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 1: what their sexual wants desires and boundaries are Maybe our

1846
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: board members would like to answer this assignment and share

1847
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 1: their thoughts, just like our eighth grade students were requested

1848
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 1: to do. Now, of course, the school is currently backtracking.

1849
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: Superintendent Christopher Dreesy says it was a mistake and the

1850
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: assignment had been inadvertently sent to the students. Basically, they

1851
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,679
Speaker 1: are claiming they sent the pizza to the wronghouse, okay,

1852
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: he said. While the assignment was inappropriate, there was no

1853
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 1: hidden agenda. He said while addressing the parents, there was

1854
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 1: no secret cabal to indoctrinate kids on something. Let me

1855
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 1: tell you, man, if you know you have to explain

1856
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 1: that there's no secret cabal to indoctrinate kids. If a

1857
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: school superintendent has to explain that, all right, then my

1858
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: kids might be in the wrong school, all right. An

1859
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 1: explanation like that is just I don't know, man. I

1860
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 1: just feel like this assignment is prompting kids to become

1861
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: sexually active before their time. And what does pizza have

1862
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 1: to do with consent? I still don't even know that,

1863
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 1: all right. Choosing what to put on your pizza when

1864
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: you are ordering with a group, it's hard enough by itself. Now,

1865
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,720
Speaker 1: you're trying to make it a metaphor for sex, and

1866
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 1: even after it's been explained, I still don't know what

1867
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 1: any of this has to do with consent. All right,

1868
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 1: Just talk to these kids. They're young adults. Speak to

1869
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 1: them as such. I promise they can handle it. But

1870
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: pizza as a metaphor for consent, they cannot. And what's

1871
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 1: the topic for antal? Please give John F. Kennedy Middle

1872
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: School in Connecticut the bigga. See huh, my kids ain't

1873
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:58,440
Speaker 1: eating pizza no more. That's what you got out of that.

1874
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: That's what you got out of that. Out of it

1875
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: as you got out of that all day long. Jesus Christ.

1876
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club, Kylie one O five one, The Breakfast Club.

1877
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Speaker 1: Your mornings will never be the same morning everybody is

1878
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 1: DJ Envy Angela shown them and the guy we are

1879
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the building,

1880
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: Ricky Lake, the Legend, the legend. You're too kind, Good morning,

1881
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Nice to see you. Ah well, funny you should mentioned

1882
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: that I'm doing a new show where I'm doing a

1883
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 1: podcast with my old show called Raised by Everybody. Ricky, Yeah,

1884
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 1: what do you think? I think that's a great idea.

1885
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm I just realized what the concept is just now

1886
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 1: when you said it, because I just thought it was

1887
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 1: gonna be. You know, you're doing a podcast, you know,

1888
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: talking about current events, but you're reliving the show. Yeah,

1889
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna go back in time and break down these

1890
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 1: episodes because you know, lemon on a Media is an

1891
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,640
Speaker 1: amazing podcast company. These women are badasses, and they approached me,

1892
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I've been asked to do a podcast,

1893
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: as everyone has over the years, and I was like,

1894
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: oh no, we to Abby Epstein, my partner, and I

1895
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: want to talk about it, my filmmaking partner. I'm so

1896
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 1: happy she's here. But no, this concept something about you know,

1897
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: first of all, it's a thirty This year's thirty years

1898
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 1: that I did the pilot of The Ricky Lations. So

1899
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: I was twenty three years old when I did the pilot.

1900
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: I'm now fifty three, so you know, it was really

1901
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: interesting to me. I think what we were able to

1902
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: do back then. I didn't think of it at the

1903
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 1: time is groundbreaking. But the issues we were able to

1904
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: cover the way we treated gay people, the way we

1905
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: treated mixed race couples, the way we treat you know,

1906
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 1: it was just we covered a lot of bases, and

1907
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 1: I think it'll be really interesting to go back with

1908
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: the lens of now where we are now, Have we

1909
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: made progress? Have we gone backwards? And we're going to

1910
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 1: have a co host that's gen Z, that's probably you know,

1911
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: someone who's non binary, is certainly a person of color

1912
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 1: and who didn't grow up with me, and kind of

1913
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 1: tell the story and bring back old guests, old experts,

1914
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: and I think it'll be a lot of fun. You

1915
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: know what I love about shows like Rickey Lake, even

1916
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 1: Donna Hue back in the day, even early Oprah, y'all

1917
01:36:57,240 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 1: sat down with people you had differences with. You sat

1918
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 1: down people you may not have agreed with. Nowadays, if

1919
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 1: you do that, they'll call you problematic. Yeah, I don't

1920
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 1: understand that. I don't either, I mean, and that's why

1921
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm glad I don't have the show that I had

1922
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: back then. Now it just feels like you're walking on eggshells.

1923
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: No matter what you do, you're gonna piss someone off.

1924
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 1: And Yeah, I just think it's it's gonna be a

1925
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 1: cool experiment. I mean, I think we're all nostalgic for

1926
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: that time, the nineties and I'm up for it. No,

1927
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: I'd love to see you and you'll do that. I

1928
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: would love to see that. I'd love to see anything.

1929
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: Before we didn't ask one question, how are you? I'm

1930
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: amazing the best me I have ever been, you know,

1931
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 1: which is like I did that show and my name

1932
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 1: was on the rug and I didn't really have a

1933
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: sense of who I was. And I think in making

1934
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 1: these documentaries that I've been making with that be for

1935
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 1: more than fifteen years, I've really come into a place

1936
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 1: of like knowing my voice and what I believe in

1937
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: and what I stand for. And I've now, you know,

1938
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,560
Speaker 1: gone dark. I lost my partner five years ago to

1939
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 1: my olarn suicide, but I've now five years later, met

1940
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 1: the man of my dreams and I just got married

1941
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: two months ago. I'm congress. I live in my best life.

1942
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. How are you happy? I'm so good.

1943
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be with this woman. We just

1944
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: had our double feature premiere last night and we watched

1945
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: this movie we made fourteen years ago in the same

1946
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 1: theater that it premiered in at the IFC Center, Business

1947
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: of Being Born, and we just both sat there with

1948
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: my son who's now fifteen who was born in the

1949
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 1: movie Wow, and like we had chills the whole time,

1950
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, because we were watching this going I can't

1951
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:33,719
Speaker 1: believe that we made this in two thousand and eight.

1952
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 1: It still holds up. It was powerful. If from the beginning,

1953
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 1: before you guys met what made you start the Rickey

1954
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 1: Lake Show? You were only twenty four years old? What's said?

1955
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: What made you think this is what I want to do?

1956
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 1: You want to the honest truth. Absolutely, it was the

1957
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 1: job that came along. Honestly, I had been a guest.

1958
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 1: I don't you guys are younger than me, but I well,

1959
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm fifty three and I was I did Okay, I

1960
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 1: did Hairspray when I was eighteen, and Ian David Letterman

1961
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: was a big fan of John Waters, and so he

1962
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:04,680
Speaker 1: would have me on over and over again, kind of

1963
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: like Sandra Bernhard back then. And it was from those

1964
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:09,720
Speaker 1: appearances that they thought of me. They were this guy

1965
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 1: garth Ans here. It was a kind of media whiz.

1966
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 1: He wanted to do a younger show because he looked

1967
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: at Oprah and Donahue and they were skewing over fifty five.

1968
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: So they wanted to do something to skew towards younger women,

1969
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,639
Speaker 1: primarily women eighteen to thirty four, eighteen to forty nine.

1970
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 1: So they went on a search and I was one

1971
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: of a hundred women at that time. I went and

1972
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: flirted with three gay guys. I didn't know they were gay,

1973
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 1: but I just brought out my skills and they gave

1974
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 1: me the pilot and I was like so broke. At

1975
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: that time, I was living in a poolhouse in the

1976
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: valley north of Victory, if anybody knows where that is.

1977
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 1: No one spoke English, and I know, I was kind

1978
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 1: of couldn't get my agent to call me back. And

1979
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: I got this opportunity. I was like, all right, I'll

1980
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 1: do it. Five thousand dollars. I needed my rent paid

1981
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 1: for a year, and I'll do it for that. Luckily,

1982
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:50,640
Speaker 1: we renegotiated and it turned into this phenomenon and it

1983
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: wasn't a calculated move. Every step of my career, including

1984
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 1: the business of being born, is never coming from a

1985
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:58,799
Speaker 1: place of like seeing the big picture. It's really about,

1986
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 1: all right, that sounds good, I could do it. So

1987
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:03,759
Speaker 1: I think I have this confidence in me and also

1988
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 1: this like naivete, you know, and it's worked out. You

1989
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 1: got five thou Well, yeah, yeah, I did. But the

1990
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: first season, so then my agent did get involved and

1991
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:16,759
Speaker 1: they packaged the show first, No, the pilot, the pilot

1992
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 1: was initially that was my opening bid was I'll do

1993
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 1: it for five thousand dollars. And then the first year,

1994
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 1: you know, at my salary, I don't remember what it was.

1995
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: But at the end of the first year the show

1996
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: was such a huge success. This is nineteen ninety three,

1997
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: they gave me a bonus of a half million dollars. Wow. Really, yes,

1998
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:32,640
Speaker 1: a lot of money in ninety three. A lot of

1999
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: that was a lot of money for real, Like I

2000
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: was broke. I my house was for clothes at that time. Yeah,

2001
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 1: I was needing that money. And it was you know

2002
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: that show it was I mean, it was just my life.

2003
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have the concept, like I'm twenty four

2004
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 1: years old. I don't even know who I am, you

2005
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: know who, like the audacity to get on that stage

2006
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 1: and moderate these panels. But I think looking back at it,

2007
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: I was I was the perfect kind of person for

2008
01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 1: that role because I was a good listener. You know.

2009
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 1: It was very fourth coming about my own you know, hardshifts.

2010
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious I'm so fascinated by people. I don't judge people,

2011
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 1: and so I think you're so real. You're so real.

2012
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,240
Speaker 1: Anybody who meets Ricky, any of my friends, but anyone

2013
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: wh meets Ricky in five minutes, they go that woman

2014
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: has the biggest heart. She's just so real. Like you

2015
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 1: don't meet a lot of celebrities that are like that,

2016
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 1: anti celebrity quality, And I think that's really what worked

2017
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 1: on that show. The show was a party, you know.

2018
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 1: It was just like you know, the people that came

2019
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 1: to our show, they waited months and months and months

2020
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 1: to get tickets back then, and you know, it was

2021
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: always surprising. I mean, it was a little formulaic. I

2022
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:36,760
Speaker 1: have to admit, like I knew, you know, I knew

2023
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 1: from the names I could tell, Okay, this is a

2024
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 1: black story. The first guests. The first guests were always

2025
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: the most outrageous, you know, and then we'd have the

2026
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 1: white story and then we you know, we'd balance it out.

2027
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,439
Speaker 1: But I feel like we we did do a lot

2028
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 1: of good, like we you know, we we definitely saw

2029
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 1: people and many times that they're worst, but I feel

2030
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 1: like I treated everyone equally. I treated everyone with compassion,

2031
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 1: and it was a good time. Did you said something

2032
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: earlier that was interesting? You said, um, you know, you

2033
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: said a lot right about what women had to go

2034
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 1: through because you're obviously talented. But you said you had

2035
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 1: to flirt with the executives. Kid, I didn't. I don't

2036
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 1: think it was a prerequisite. It was just my It

2037
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 1: was my m o. I mean wa, I wasn't even

2038
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:20,360
Speaker 1: like I was, you know, very like heavy set, and

2039
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 1: I you know, wore a big flower hat probably. I

2040
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 1: mean I didn't have a really a game. I didn't

2041
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: have any game back then, but I knew how to

2042
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 1: be charming and appealing and it worked. It worked in

2043
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 1: my favor. But um, yeah, that's the only game I know.

2044
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, how did you guys me business?

2045
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 1: How was that so funny? You tell them? Okay, So

2046
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 1: I was directing a show. Do you remember the show

2047
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 1: The Vagina Monologues. Yeah? Yeah, do you remember that? That

2048
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 1: was also like started in the in the They made

2049
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: an HBO. Yeah, it filded a special, but it was

2050
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 1: a play off Broadway ran for a really long time. Um,

2051
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 1: and so originally we had three actresses that would rotate

2052
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,559
Speaker 1: every two weeks. So every two weeks, three celebrities would

2053
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 1: come in and I would put them into the play.

2054
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:09,559
Speaker 1: And Ricky came in one week, and like I said,

2055
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 1: she's so real, you know, like most of these celebrities,

2056
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:14,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I don't really want to

2057
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 1: get drinks with them after. I just want to do

2058
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 1: my job and go home. And then Ricky and I

2059
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 1: rode the bus home together and she just had me

2060
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 1: on the floor, like she just had me at hello.

2061
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: And so we met and then I guess this was

2062
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,559
Speaker 1: like years later. We met in like ninety nine or

2063
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 1: two thousand. I got pregnant with my second son, and

2064
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 1: then I was wanting a home birth, like I was

2065
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: getting educated about my options, and so I was telling

2066
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 1: her and she's like, you're crazy, You're crazy, You're crazy.

2067
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: And then I got to vote. Nine to eleven was

2068
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 1: a huge turning point for me. Where I was living

2069
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,720
Speaker 1: downtown and I, you know, I thought we were going

2070
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 1: to die. I watched the second plane hit the building,

2071
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,720
Speaker 1: and I in that moment of being on the roof

2072
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 1: of my building with my four year old and I

2073
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: had a two month old at the time, I said,

2074
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm leaving if I get out of this, you know, alive,

2075
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm leaving New York. I'm leaving this job, and I'm

2076
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: leaving this man. And I moved to LA It took

2077
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 1: a year and a half. I had to finish my contract.

2078
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 1: I didn't end up quitting my show per se, but

2079
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: I ended I didn't renew my contract that back then,

2080
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 1: and I wanted to start a new life. And that's

2081
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 1: when I started soul searching about where I what I

2082
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 1: wanted to do, where I can make a difference. And

2083
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 1: we made the business of being born. But you know,

2084
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: I had her come out. I said, you got to

2085
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:18,639
Speaker 1: come out and see my fast house in Brentwood. Yeah,

2086
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 1: and see my new life. Yeah. I'd like basically stopped

2087
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: at her new house on my way back to lax

2088
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 1: miss my flight because we started talking and I had

2089
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 1: made one documentary at that point about violence against women,

2090
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,600
Speaker 1: and I knew how to roughly make a documentary. And

2091
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:35,560
Speaker 1: she was like, I have this idea for this project.

2092
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 1: It's about midwiffery and home birth. And I was like,

2093
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 1: this does not sound commercial, this does not sound like

2094
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 1: a like a hot seller. I had no idea what

2095
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,639
Speaker 1: a midwife was. And then she whipped out her little

2096
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 1: video care for my nine hour home birth video on

2097
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 1: my little you know, cam quarter and I gave it

2098
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 1: to her and I said, here, I hadn't even watched it.

2099
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: I gave it to her and gave her a couple

2100
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 1: of books, and she came back and she goes, I

2101
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 1: think we can make a documentary. And then the magic

2102
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:00,600
Speaker 1: of this film it took three half years to make

2103
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 1: because she got pregnant two years into making of the film,

2104
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: and then her story, her dramatic story of her birth,

2105
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: is in the yes to the end of the film.

2106
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 1: That was intense last night when we were watching it

2107
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 1: again and Ricky's there with her new husband, Ross, who's

2108
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: never seen the movie. I'm there with my son who's

2109
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 1: born in the movie, who's never seen the movie. My

2110
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: ex is sitting in front of me. It was like

2111
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 1: and he shot the movie, and it was really intense.

2112
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we both we both give birth essentially

2113
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: in that movie. So it's a really rare kind of

2114
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 1: documentary where it's a personal piece about the filmmakers and

2115
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 1: then it's also like a very political piece and it's

2116
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 1: still so relevant to come out, oh three and a

2117
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 1: half years, oh, because that's how long they make this one.

2118
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 1: That we just released last night. The Business would Be

2119
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: of birth Control took seven years? Seven how long? We

2120
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 1: started it in twenty fifteen because twenty fifteen, first of all,

2121
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 1: you guys, nobody wants to give you any money to

2122
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 1: talk about and especially if you're like, oh, we want

2123
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 1: to talk about women's health. Uh, yeah, we want to

2124
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 1: talk about like how crappy the birth control pill is. Yeah,

2125
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to fund that. I mean

2126
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 1: it's controversial. Um, there's no celebrity in it, and big

2127
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Pharma has their hands on everything. So for us to

2128
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:16,520
Speaker 1: get into sort of mainstream media, there's all this backlash.

2129
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,640
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, you're not Jesse coach. Jesse's I know,

2130
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 1: friend of the your show, and she's she's heavily in

2131
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:23,640
Speaker 1: our film, she's in the movie. We love her, but

2132
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 1: like this message, it's like Netflix, HBO, They're not going

2133
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 1: to make this movie with us. There's no way with

2134
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,759
Speaker 1: what we want to say in the business of birth control,

2135
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,679
Speaker 1: There's no way. So, you know, you start in twenty fifteen,

2136
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 1: you do a Kickstarter, you get a little chunk of money,

2137
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: you make a sizzle reel, you know, you just it's

2138
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 1: like and then we did this movie weed the people

2139
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,640
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, so we had like another movie in

2140
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the movie that's about cannabis. Yeah, that's

2141
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:53,599
Speaker 1: about cannabis and children with cancer. And then so yeah,

2142
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 1: just it takes a while. And also because like when

2143
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 1: you're making these films, these films take so much work, right,

2144
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 1: but they're also your side hustle in a way, like

2145
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 1: nobody's paying you, you know at the time, so you're

2146
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: just like working on them when you can. Yeah, they're

2147
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: just like passion project or passion there for sure, they

2148
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,360
Speaker 1: always come out at the right time. Like I think

2149
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 1: the business of birth control releasing now, like this is

2150
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: the moment for it. Yeah, especially with women's you know,

2151
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:22,639
Speaker 1: reproductive rights, you know, being script away. Everybody's gop people.

2152
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, so what is the business of birth control?

2153
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 1: We well, what in the same way did you ever

2154
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 1: see the business of being born? No, I haven't. I

2155
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 1: urge you too, because it's really you know, we take

2156
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 1: a hard look at what birth, you know, the birthing world,

2157
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 1: the medical system when it comes to birth, and the

2158
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 1: same thing we look at the pill, the history of

2159
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:40,599
Speaker 1: the pill, the racist piece of it. Did you know

2160
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 1: that they tested you tell they tested the drug the Pill,

2161
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 1: initially on black and brown women in Puerto Ricoh. Yeah,

2162
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean I think that at the end of the day,

2163
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 1: it's sort of like you can equate the business of

2164
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 1: birth control to in a way, the opiate epidemic. You know,

2165
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 1: it's really profits over people. Um, it's the way, you know,

2166
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: we know women's bodies have been co opted and controlled

2167
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:08,160
Speaker 1: and exploited for years. So, like Ricky was saying, the

2168
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: film covers a lot of grounds. It's truly mind blowing.

2169
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: I think people sit there for ninety minutes and they're like,

2170
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of this shit, Like I literally

2171
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 1: didn't know anything in your movie. So one thing is

2172
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: we look at some of the products that are out there,

2173
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 1: like maneuver ring that's had a lot a lot of

2174
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,200
Speaker 1: women die on it, and you never hear about any

2175
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 1: of it. You never hear about any of it because

2176
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 1: you get gag orders when you accept settlements. So when

2177
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 1: the drug company settles with all these victims, they're then

2178
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 1: not allowed to do any promotion. So the stories in

2179
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 1: our film are the families who wouldn't settle, They didn't

2180
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:46,919
Speaker 1: take the money because they want to change the labeling

2181
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 1: on these products. They don't want other girls to die.

2182
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:53,240
Speaker 1: So we tell that story. And then, like Ricky was saying,

2183
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, we look back in time over the way

2184
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:59,439
Speaker 1: birth control has been tied into eugenics, the way that

2185
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:03,479
Speaker 1: it's always been used to you know, weaponize basically against

2186
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 1: communities of color. How obstetrics was literally founded on slavery

2187
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,080
Speaker 1: in Africa, the pill was tested on women in Puerto Rico,

2188
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. And then we also

2189
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 1: look at in a positive way. You know, we look

2190
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 1: at this new generation that does not want to take

2191
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 1: the pill that their grandmothers took. Um. They're woke, they're ecological,

2192
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 1: they don't want to put you know, hormones, yeah, and

2193
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 1: acrin disruptors in their body. And so if the pharmaceutical

2194
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 1: companies aren't going to come along with like healthier options,

2195
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:37,760
Speaker 1: they're going to make them up. You know, we're going

2196
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 1: to invent them. So you look at all these cool

2197
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 1: femtech entrepreneurs. And in a way, I think, you know,

2198
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 1: the younger generation, it's like they're they're kind of a

2199
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 1: do it yourself generation. They're not going to rely on

2200
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 1: these big companies. And so, you know, we look at

2201
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 1: all the innovation that's happening, which is super cool. Didn't

2202
01:49:56,400 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 1: explore any of Margaret Sanger Oh yeah, okay, ok oh yeah,

2203
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 1: and that happened during the making the film. It happened

2204
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 1: during the film, which was interesting. Yeah, so we originally

2205
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 1: I remember, like Gloria Steinham's on early cut, and you know,

2206
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 1: everyone was worried about that Margaret sang her legacy, like, oh,

2207
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: you're going to take her down. I think we're really

2208
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: fair to her in the movie. But then at the

2209
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: end of the movie, we show an update about how

2210
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 1: Plan Parenthood New York City took her name off the clinic,

2211
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 1: so you know that it's not so like they Plan

2212
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 1: parent finally had to come out and say, you know,

2213
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:31,879
Speaker 1: let's be transparent, like we cannot be identified with our founder.

2214
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: So again, that's why I think the timing of the

2215
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,600
Speaker 1: movie was so good, because I think having that conversation

2216
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 1: about Margaret sang Her five years ago it happened like

2217
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:42,680
Speaker 1: we would have gotten a lot of pushback. Yeah, my

2218
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:44,680
Speaker 1: wife doesn't like brok control. That's why I get a

2219
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:47,280
Speaker 1: vasectomina because we just had a four of dogs. She's

2220
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 1: six months old. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, she's refused

2221
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: to get back on broke control because it makes us sick.

2222
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 1: She hates it. Yeah, it's awful, Like all the options

2223
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 1: are terrible. And you go out there and talk to

2224
01:50:57,479 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: anybody and they will tell you their birth control ernie,

2225
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 1: and they'll tell you every product they used and how

2226
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:05,200
Speaker 1: depressed it made them, or how they lost their sex drive,

2227
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 1: or how they got In my case, I mean, I

2228
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: had hair loss. I don't know if you know, I

2229
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:11,799
Speaker 1: was stealing my hair is pretty much it came back.

2230
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 1: But well that's part of it. I think it's a

2231
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:17,680
Speaker 1: lot of things. I was putting extensions in my hair,

2232
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:19,519
Speaker 1: I was coloring my hair. I was stressed about my hair.

2233
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 1: I have androw genetic alopecia, which is the you know,

2234
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 1: genetic hair loss over years. Yeah, it was all above,

2235
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 1: but definitely mess with your hormones. Think about it, you know.

2236
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 1: And it's like what we say in the film, it's

2237
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 1: like sometimes now these kids are getting put on twelve

2238
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:37,280
Speaker 1: thirteen years old for acne, for cramps, you know, like

2239
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:40,280
Speaker 1: you'll see with your daughters. It's like you you got

2240
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,720
Speaker 1: to make these decisions right when you have like a

2241
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 1: thirteen year old, fourteen year old that's like, oh, but

2242
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:47,679
Speaker 1: my period cramps are so bad, and then the doctor saying, well,

2243
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:50,400
Speaker 1: just put her on the pill. That'll take care of everything.

2244
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 1: That's how they treat everything, and um, and that's that's

2245
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 1: not going to cut it. That's not gonna cut it

2246
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,559
Speaker 1: for the new generation. So I think it's like, you know,

2247
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 1: two things. One is, they're a lot of things that

2248
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,040
Speaker 1: people are getting put on the pill four that have

2249
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 1: nothing to do with birth control, right, acne, fiooids, pcos right.

2250
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 1: So we need actual treatments for these conditions. We need studies, yeah,

2251
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:17,280
Speaker 1: on women studies, Yeah. And then you know, we need

2252
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 1: to be more educated about the menstrual cycle so that

2253
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 1: there's other ways to intervene and relieve cramps or whatever

2254
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: the issues are. Because what's happening is these girls are

2255
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:29,679
Speaker 1: going on at like twelve, thirteen, fourteen, they're not really

2256
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 1: you know, they're hormones, they're not really developing. They're on

2257
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:35,679
Speaker 1: something that's cut like basically putting them into menopause at thirteen,

2258
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:40,360
Speaker 1: and they're not, and they're staying on it. Then they

2259
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 1: stay on it for maybe ten twenty years. I mean

2260
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 1: this drugs were not designed or FDA approved to be

2261
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 1: on for twenty interviews. Did you know that when you're

2262
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 1: on these drugs it changes your pheromones? Yes, changes who

2263
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: you're attracted to. They do this T shirt test that

2264
01:52:56,800 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 1: was out of what's Sweden or something Scotland, so it's

2265
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 1: actually your so your pheromones. You know, it's like how

2266
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 1: you you can smell out attraction, right, So you know

2267
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:09,640
Speaker 1: how if you like have sex with certain people, you

2268
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 1: like their smell, you don't like their smell, right, that

2269
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:16,480
Speaker 1: smell is actually giving your body information about their DNA.

2270
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 1: It's actually telling you whether you're going to make healthy

2271
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:24,559
Speaker 1: offspring with that person who. And when you go on

2272
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:28,960
Speaker 1: these birth control products, it takes that like animal sense offline,

2273
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:32,400
Speaker 1: so you can't smell anymore. So they say, like for women,

2274
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:34,920
Speaker 1: the line is you're going to be attracted to someone

2275
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 1: who's more like brother than other, so you're attracted to

2276
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 1: more maybe kind of feminine men. You know, men that

2277
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:47,760
Speaker 1: aren't don't have that kind of opposite polarity. And so

2278
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:50,920
Speaker 1: you hear this a lot anecdotally, right that women either

2279
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:54,919
Speaker 1: go like are with a partner, decide they need some protection,

2280
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:57,560
Speaker 1: go on the pill. Suddenly they're not attracted anymore, or

2281
01:53:57,600 --> 01:53:59,720
Speaker 1: the opposite, the opposite. When they go off to family Plan,

2282
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 1: they suddenly are not into their guy, are you're about

2283
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:07,800
Speaker 1: to make YouTube conspiracy thing? YouTube conspiracy? So that can't

2284
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 1: even help you. It canna make you change. You do

2285
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 1: what gin do you like as well? No? No? Oh okay? Condition?

2286
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 1: So how did you get your hair back healthy? So

2287
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 1: I you okay? So I think it's a lot of things.

2288
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't stress anymore. I mean when

2289
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 1: I shaved my head in grand fashion the turn of

2290
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I mean I did it in a way

2291
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 1: like can you curse on this show? Okay? I said,

2292
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:34,240
Speaker 1: fuck it? Like I was so done with struggling about

2293
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 1: my hair. It was my deep dark secret. Every time

2294
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: I looked in the Mira could see my scalp, and

2295
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:39,520
Speaker 1: it just it just drove me crazy, and the extensions

2296
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:41,360
Speaker 1: were pulling. I'm sure many of your much of your

2297
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:43,600
Speaker 1: audience knows what that's like. It's just it's just it

2298
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:46,240
Speaker 1: was painful. And it was because I was a public figure,

2299
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 1: and because I'm so outspoken and honest and authentic. I

2300
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 1: this was this piece of myself that I was hiding,

2301
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 1: and I just decided, all right, I'm gonna rock a

2302
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 1: bald head. You know, I don't know how it's gonna look.

2303
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:57,680
Speaker 1: My friends were telling me, don't worry, you can do.

2304
01:54:57,720 --> 01:54:58,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to pull it off. And I

2305
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 1: just did it and gave up. And then I came

2306
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 1: into finding this product that I'm now an ambassador of.

2307
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:07,680
Speaker 1: I've never taken an endorsement in my thirty plus year career.

2308
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:10,440
Speaker 1: It's called her Clinic and it's a shampoo and extract

2309
01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 1: and something about the fermentation. I can't explain it, but

2310
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 1: it's non toxic and it's helped my care to be

2311
01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 1: as healthy as as it can be. Now you know

2312
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 1: where I'm going next. Were you offended by Chris rocks

2313
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:24,040
Speaker 1: joke towards Jada Pink? I mean I was more offended

2314
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 1: by his actions. It's like it's by Will Smith's actions.

2315
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean, like I used to say on my old show,

2316
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:30,920
Speaker 1: violence is never the answer, and the fact that it

2317
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 1: went to that extreme, I mean, nothing, nothing that comes

2318
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:37,960
Speaker 1: out of anyone's mouth justifies a physical altercation. But I

2319
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 1: also did feel for Jada in that moment because I

2320
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 1: would hate to be the butt of that joke if

2321
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:45,040
Speaker 1: someone were. And that was one of my fears when

2322
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 1: I did shave my head like I didn't, I didn't

2323
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 1: know what the reaction would be and I couldn't think

2324
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 1: that far ahead. But I was so scared of people

2325
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 1: making fun of me or is calling me names. So

2326
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 1: I definitely definitely struck a nerve for me because I

2327
01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 1: think women's suffering with that condition. Um, it's not funny

2328
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:05,480
Speaker 1: if you yeah, no, no, I think there's a lot

2329
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:07,840
Speaker 1: to the story. I mean, we're all speculating, but I

2330
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:10,920
Speaker 1: think there was a history with them and the oscars.

2331
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean I saw this morning

2332
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:16,160
Speaker 1: that her her reaction to the slap. After the slap,

2333
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 1: she sort of smiled. I mean, we don't know, but

2334
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,600
Speaker 1: I know for me personally, definitely a joke about a

2335
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 1: woman's hair loss is not is not funny. How have

2336
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 1: you been doing mentally? Because we talk about a lot

2337
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:27,920
Speaker 1: of the things, right, we talk about your husband at

2338
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:31,240
Speaker 1: tickets life and the hair loss and everything that you've

2339
01:56:31,240 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 1: been going to. How have you been doing and how

2340
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:36,040
Speaker 1: have you been coping? Well? Now, I mean now I'm

2341
01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 1: literally in the happiest place in my entire life, which

2342
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 1: says a lot because I've been a really happy person.

2343
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: I've had a blessed you know, abundant life and career. Um,

2344
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 1: my kids are great. I mean that's really the start.

2345
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,640
Speaker 1: It's like you're only as happy as your least happy child.

2346
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 1: And both my kids and my four step children are

2347
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 1: all great right now. And my my new husband is

2348
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 1: just a dream. So I you know, I feel like

2349
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:59,360
Speaker 1: I've been given a second lease on life, you know,

2350
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 1: after losing Christian. I mean I never thought I could

2351
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:05,200
Speaker 1: be as low as that. I mean that the level

2352
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:09,080
Speaker 1: of despair I had to be literally physically picked up

2353
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 1: off the floor. And I remember, I mean this was

2354
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:13,720
Speaker 1: just five years ago. I would force myself. I had

2355
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 1: a dog, and I would force myself to walk outside

2356
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:19,320
Speaker 1: at the beach and smile at the sun and find gratitude,

2357
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 1: find something to be grateful for. And I you know,

2358
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 1: there were dark, dark days. I never thought I'd be

2359
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:28,000
Speaker 1: in a place of peace and happiness. And I really am,

2360
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:31,160
Speaker 1: like I just like I said when we first started,

2361
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:33,000
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like I'm the best me that

2362
01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:35,960
Speaker 1: I've ever been. I really know myself, I really love myself.

2363
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:39,280
Speaker 1: I've you know, through this journey of shaving my head,

2364
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 1: and that was a badass move and I came out

2365
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,360
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, you know, so, like all of it

2366
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 1: is a journey. I'm fifty three, and I guess when

2367
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 1: you turn fifty you kind of get a sense of

2368
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:52,720
Speaker 1: who you who you are, and also you don't care

2369
01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:54,920
Speaker 1: what people think as much. Yeah, I don't really care

2370
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 1: what people think of me. I know my side of

2371
01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:59,120
Speaker 1: the street is clean. I'm a good person and I

2372
01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 1: appreciate every day. So to answer your question, I'm great,

2373
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:07,160
Speaker 1: how do how does one allowed himselves the love again

2374
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:10,880
Speaker 1: and be loved after something like that. I've always felt

2375
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:13,640
Speaker 1: that I've been like deserving of love, you know. I

2376
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:18,000
Speaker 1: think I chose partners um that either were physically a

2377
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 1: certain way so I felt better about myself. I chose

2378
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:23,360
Speaker 1: partners that needed me that so I saw my value

2379
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 1: in that they needed fixing or they needed taken care of.

2380
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the first time in my entire life,

2381
01:58:28,760 --> 01:58:31,280
Speaker 1: and I've had many this my third marriage where I'm

2382
01:58:31,320 --> 01:58:34,280
Speaker 1: with someone who's my equal, who brings as much to

2383
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:37,040
Speaker 1: the to the to the relationship as I bring. And

2384
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:40,520
Speaker 1: that I think comes down to like self self worth

2385
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:43,200
Speaker 1: and self love. There was there any guilt, because I'm

2386
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 1: sure people will say to you, oh, five years, that

2387
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:47,960
Speaker 1: wasn't long with who would they to say that, Oh yeah,

2388
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 1: it was a long five years. It was a long

2389
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 1: five years. And I don't care what anybody has to say,

2390
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 1: Like I I and I continue to honor this, this

2391
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:00,320
Speaker 1: man that I lost, I mean, he was he was

2392
01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:03,240
Speaker 1: my greatest teacher to this day, he's my greatest teacher.

2393
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 1: Christian Evans was so special and so ill and I

2394
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 1: didn't even know what bipolar was when when I got

2395
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 1: with him. I'd never experienced it. I you know, he

2396
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:12,680
Speaker 1: told me when we met. He's like, oh, I was

2397
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:14,320
Speaker 1: diagnosed by polar and I was like, oh yeah, and

2398
01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm a control freak. We all have our things, you know.

2399
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:20,080
Speaker 1: I didn't understand what a manic episode was. And so

2400
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, with Kanye, I mean like I really, I really,

2401
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:28,160
Speaker 1: I just I just know that to be the loved

2402
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 1: one going through that and you know, losing Christian the

2403
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:34,800
Speaker 1: way I did. I mean, for me, the trauma was

2404
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:39,360
Speaker 1: the episode, the first episode versus the suicide, because seeing

2405
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:42,720
Speaker 1: your loved one change on a dime and become so

2406
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:46,720
Speaker 1: destructive and so like just someone I didn't recognize. But

2407
01:59:46,920 --> 01:59:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, I've done a lot of work in these

2408
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:53,240
Speaker 1: five years. And I think also with Ross my my husband. Now,

2409
01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's like I deserve him, you know, it's

2410
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:58,920
Speaker 1: really like I know my value and I I really

2411
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:01,400
Speaker 1: just I called him in, you know, I manifested him

2412
02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:05,240
Speaker 1: and I you know, just just I yeah, I relish

2413
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:07,600
Speaker 1: this time in my life, in this relationship you've lived.

2414
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:10,400
Speaker 1: You've lived all the big pop culture stories of the

2415
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 1: pastor like literally I have. I mean, it's all so

2416
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:19,839
Speaker 1: sort of it resonates, you know, I mean the oscars,

2417
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:21,520
Speaker 1: Like you know, I was going on Monday, I did

2418
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:23,960
Speaker 1: a promotional for this hair company that I've been working with,

2419
02:00:24,160 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 1: and there's the night before that that happened with the joke.

2420
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:28,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's just yeah, it feels like my life.

2421
02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:30,880
Speaker 1: My life is a movie. It really, it really is

2422
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:33,880
Speaker 1: so true. You have lived them all. And also you know,

2423
02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:36,520
Speaker 1: she she speaks about them like she's gone to give

2424
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:39,920
Speaker 1: talks on mental health and yes, and I think that

2425
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:44,240
Speaker 1: that's um, you know, it's I think just being a

2426
02:00:44,280 --> 02:00:47,920
Speaker 1: witness to what she went through with Christian. You know,

2427
02:00:48,440 --> 02:00:53,040
Speaker 1: that kind of bipolarity. It is so tricky. It is

2428
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 1: so tricky because it doesn't present as an illness like

2429
02:00:57,040 --> 02:01:00,520
Speaker 1: it sometimes presents first as if the persons actually do great,

2430
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:05,600
Speaker 1: because you don't realize that they're ascending toward that that mania,

2431
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:08,640
Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's you can't intervene, you can't

2432
02:01:08,640 --> 02:01:11,000
Speaker 1: tell somebody, oh I think you're a little you know,

2433
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:15,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it was. It was an impossible situation. It

2434
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:18,880
Speaker 1: was like you guys did everything, tried everything, therapy, drugs.

2435
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:22,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I just that's what's super frustrating to everybody

2436
02:01:22,360 --> 02:01:25,280
Speaker 1: dealing with the resources to have the money. And I

2437
02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:27,440
Speaker 1: tried to save him. I saved him twice and I

2438
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 1: couldn't save him a third time. And you know, yeah,

2439
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm the fixer, you know, I'm someone that like really

2440
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:37,080
Speaker 1: does like like you know, create like you know, and

2441
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:39,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't And it was really really hard to come

2442
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:41,040
Speaker 1: to terms with that. I'd love to hear some of

2443
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:43,840
Speaker 1: those practices you talked about. You know, I'm big on

2444
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:46,120
Speaker 1: mental health and mindfulness. And I heard you say you

2445
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:48,760
Speaker 1: you manifested you know Ross, Like, what are some of

2446
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:50,680
Speaker 1: the things you do on a daily I mean, I

2447
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:52,560
Speaker 1: know on a daily I was going to mention ayahuasca.

2448
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:54,160
Speaker 1: Do you not do that on the daily? I want to.

2449
02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:56,120
Speaker 1: I can't not on a daily but I can't wait

2450
02:01:56,120 --> 02:01:57,280
Speaker 1: to do it. It's calling me. They they they don't do

2451
02:01:57,400 --> 02:01:59,600
Speaker 1: until it's calling you, exactly. It has to be a calling.

2452
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:00,920
Speaker 1: And the time I did it, I did it with

2453
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 1: Christian and I did it because he was doing it

2454
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:04,040
Speaker 1: and I didn't want him to do it without me.

2455
02:02:04,240 --> 02:02:05,480
Speaker 1: That is not the reason to do it. And it

2456
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,000
Speaker 1: was a horrible experience. But I've done it now about

2457
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:10,760
Speaker 1: fourteen times over a period of last ten years, and

2458
02:02:13,120 --> 02:02:17,080
Speaker 1: don't know, well, it's it's a it's awful. It's going

2459
02:02:17,080 --> 02:02:19,919
Speaker 1: to hell and back. It's literally going to the darkest,

2460
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:23,120
Speaker 1: darkest I mean, oh my gosh. And every time it

2461
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:25,080
Speaker 1: has been so different. I did it back at Abiza,

2462
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:26,720
Speaker 1: I did it, did it in northern California, I did

2463
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:29,360
Speaker 1: into Panga. I've done it all over and you know,

2464
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:31,600
Speaker 1: my my mostly my intention. You have to send an intention,

2465
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:34,280
Speaker 1: and my intention to do it was letting go and

2466
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:37,200
Speaker 1: and and I did it once after Christian passed twice

2467
02:02:37,240 --> 02:02:40,680
Speaker 1: after Christian passed away. And you get these messages, you

2468
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:43,520
Speaker 1: get these downloads, and you you see God, I mean

2469
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:46,959
Speaker 1: you you see God. It is one time in particular

2470
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:49,040
Speaker 1: that that I was with Christian. I was up in

2471
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:51,680
Speaker 1: northern California under the redwoods, and we were outside. It

2472
02:02:51,680 --> 02:02:52,880
Speaker 1: was during the day. It was the only time I

2473
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:56,160
Speaker 1: ever did it in daylight, and I remember just being

2474
02:02:56,240 --> 02:03:00,040
Speaker 1: on the ground like praying, rent bowing and and I

2475
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:03,880
Speaker 1: could literally see and feel the Earth's heartbeat in my

2476
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:07,640
Speaker 1: hands pulsating and it. Oh you got, I mean, I

2477
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:10,760
Speaker 1: have just just talking about it brings you back. I mean,

2478
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:12,760
Speaker 1: it's it's medicine. They say you do ten years of

2479
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:15,680
Speaker 1: therapy in one night of ayahuasca, and I think that's

2480
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:18,320
Speaker 1: remember the plant. That was the time the plant told

2481
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,360
Speaker 1: you let him go. Yes, I'd have to let him go.

2482
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 1: You have to let him go. I mean I've had

2483
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:24,240
Speaker 1: so Yeah, it's been I mean, I'm not called to

2484
02:03:24,280 --> 02:03:26,480
Speaker 1: do it again right now, but I certainly it's it's

2485
02:03:26,680 --> 02:03:30,160
Speaker 1: very powerful medicine. I've also done combo. I've done that twice.

2486
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:33,080
Speaker 1: I've done I mean, I'm like a secret combo is

2487
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:36,960
Speaker 1: the frog poison. No, it's not the five m Ao

2488
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:39,320
Speaker 1: d MT. It's what they burn your skin, that the

2489
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:41,000
Speaker 1: top lay of your skin, and they put the medicine

2490
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:44,440
Speaker 1: in and it does a scan. It's supposedly be the

2491
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:48,640
Speaker 1: strongest natural antibiotic and it can heal you from so

2492
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:50,640
Speaker 1: many different ailments. So I've done. I mean, I'm like

2493
02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:55,320
Speaker 1: a seeker. I'm I'm curious and I'm always up for growth.

2494
02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:57,400
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think of the other things I've done.

2495
02:03:57,600 --> 02:04:00,320
Speaker 1: But if I oh, Burning Man, I started going to

2496
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:04,960
Speaker 1: Burnie what's burning Man? But you're Burnie Man Fields like

2497
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:09,360
Speaker 1: White Freaknick. It is for everyone. It is Bernie man Is.

2498
02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:12,400
Speaker 1: I can't say a festival is not a festival. It

2499
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 1: is a city, the huge place over a week. You

2500
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:18,320
Speaker 1: have never heard of burning. I have all my friends

2501
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:21,280
Speaker 1: to burn the best place in the world. I'm going

2502
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm bringing. Oh my goodness, you need to google it.

2503
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:32,360
Speaker 1: My friend. It's it's I know, Bob and Bernik and yeah,

2504
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's. It's It's a place where you

2505
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:37,839
Speaker 1: go and you are in that moment. You are present,

2506
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:40,680
Speaker 1: you are free, you engage with people. It's a it's

2507
02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:43,160
Speaker 1: a city. There's no exchange of currency or anything. You

2508
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:46,560
Speaker 1: bring gifts, but you give gifts um and you don't

2509
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:49,040
Speaker 1: do it for anything other than giving you. You know,

2510
02:04:49,160 --> 02:04:52,880
Speaker 1: it's people are are at their highest vibe at Burnie

2511
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:55,280
Speaker 1: Man but it's a place where they call drugs medicines.

2512
02:04:55,560 --> 02:04:59,800
Speaker 1: That's all you need to know. You do, you do not.

2513
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:02,440
Speaker 1: They have AA meetings on the player. You do not

2514
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:04,320
Speaker 1: have to do anything you don't want to do. But

2515
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:07,160
Speaker 1: it's like magic happens on the play aff I don't know.

2516
02:05:07,200 --> 02:05:09,360
Speaker 1: I guess I'm sounding too. I'm gonna go one day.

2517
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:11,600
Speaker 1: My homie Andrew Showld goals all the time. He was like,

2518
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:12,840
Speaker 1: you got to call me to burn a man when

2519
02:05:13,160 --> 02:05:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on. If you're called to do it,

2520
02:05:15,080 --> 02:05:19,920
Speaker 1: I urge you to go. Haven't been play. I'm let

2521
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:21,920
Speaker 1: me just tell you the PLA has a lot more fun. Yeah,

2522
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:25,200
Speaker 1: I know the PLI is burning man. They call it

2523
02:05:25,240 --> 02:05:28,840
Speaker 1: that the desert the land. Yeah, you did twelve seasons

2524
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:31,360
Speaker 1: at a Rickey Lake, well eleven, and then I went

2525
02:05:31,400 --> 02:05:34,080
Speaker 1: back and did a new version of the show that

2526
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:36,240
Speaker 1: only ran for one year. But I won the Emmy

2527
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:38,400
Speaker 1: that year, and you said you walked away from it.

2528
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:41,240
Speaker 1: I did the first show. I just couldn't renew. Yeah,

2529
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean it kind of run its course. Nine to

2530
02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:45,880
Speaker 1: eleven had happened. I just I wanted to get out

2531
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:48,280
Speaker 1: of New York. I was going through a divorce. I mean,

2532
02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:50,040
Speaker 1: it just it just kind of fell apart. I mean,

2533
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, Maury just ended his show. I mean I

2534
02:05:52,160 --> 02:05:53,960
Speaker 1: feel like I could have had a run like that.

2535
02:05:55,320 --> 02:05:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm personnel. No no, no, no no. I love Maury,

2536
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:00,800
Speaker 1: but I I yeah, eleven years was enough for the

2537
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:02,960
Speaker 1: first show. The second show, I wanted to do more

2538
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,680
Speaker 1: of a Donnie Who type show, and that was my concept.

2539
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:08,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the elevated content, more provocative and

2540
02:06:08,440 --> 02:06:10,480
Speaker 1: thought provoking. And it didn't turn out to be that. Well.

2541
02:06:10,640 --> 02:06:13,160
Speaker 1: Difference between the first run in the second run, say

2542
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:15,480
Speaker 1: you want to end one was successful. I don't know

2543
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:18,200
Speaker 1: the first one. I mean, I think the timing of

2544
02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:20,280
Speaker 1: the first one and being in New York at that

2545
02:06:20,360 --> 02:06:23,640
Speaker 1: time was magic. You know. The second one, I was

2546
02:06:23,680 --> 02:06:26,160
Speaker 1: in bed with the wrong company. I think the executive

2547
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:28,080
Speaker 1: that was in charge of my production we had different visions.

2548
02:06:28,120 --> 02:06:30,520
Speaker 1: You know, he wanted a different type of show than

2549
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and I, you know, goes back

2550
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:34,280
Speaker 1: to making the business of being born with Abby. I

2551
02:06:34,360 --> 02:06:35,800
Speaker 1: kind of have a sense of who I am in

2552
02:06:35,800 --> 02:06:38,440
Speaker 1: a way that I didn't back then. And uh yeah,

2553
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:40,680
Speaker 1: so it was just you know, in bed, you did

2554
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:43,360
Speaker 1: some good shows though you really did. We did. We did.

2555
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:46,040
Speaker 1: I actually did a show on suicide, which is so

2556
02:06:46,280 --> 02:06:48,520
Speaker 1: interesting because I didn't have I didn't have a his

2557
02:06:48,920 --> 02:06:51,040
Speaker 1: like I didn't know that at the time, but I

2558
02:06:51,080 --> 02:06:52,760
Speaker 1: was called to do it and I fought so hard.

2559
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:54,360
Speaker 1: He said it was never gonna rate. It was never

2560
02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:56,280
Speaker 1: gonna and I felt like we needed to do it,

2561
02:06:56,360 --> 02:06:58,680
Speaker 1: and it was one of the shows I'm really proud of.

2562
02:06:59,600 --> 02:07:02,920
Speaker 1: How difficult is it for any person to have a

2563
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:06,040
Speaker 1: successful daytime talk show, Oh my god, I think it's

2564
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:08,000
Speaker 1: near impossible. I mean, in the time that I did

2565
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:09,600
Speaker 1: my show eleven years and we used to go to

2566
02:07:09,600 --> 02:07:12,320
Speaker 1: the Nappy Convention every year and there'd be you know,

2567
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:14,480
Speaker 1: a dozen half a dozen news shows come and go

2568
02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:16,880
Speaker 1: and they you know, they'd last for, you know, not

2569
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:20,680
Speaker 1: very long. I think it's a rare talent, Like it's like,

2570
02:07:20,760 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's something that was taught to me.

2571
02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:24,360
Speaker 1: I think it was like a natural fit, you know,

2572
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:28,120
Speaker 1: for me. It's a unique relationship I think that you

2573
02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:31,920
Speaker 1: have with the world more than being an actor on

2574
02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:35,040
Speaker 1: a TV show. I feel like because Ricky was in

2575
02:07:35,160 --> 02:07:38,120
Speaker 1: everybody's living room and people ran home from school at

2576
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:40,680
Speaker 1: three o'clock, every day to watch Ricky Lake, watch Ricky Lake.

2577
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:44,040
Speaker 1: Like literally, you know, I can see just from traveling

2578
02:07:44,080 --> 02:07:46,280
Speaker 1: the world with her, Like We'll be in some hotel

2579
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:50,400
Speaker 1: lobby in Australia and like, you know, like ten gay

2580
02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:52,680
Speaker 1: men will come up to her like sobbing, you know,

2581
02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:55,480
Speaker 1: and say, oh my god, you validated us and you

2582
02:07:55,480 --> 02:07:58,200
Speaker 1: don't know what you meant, and you know what. And

2583
02:07:58,240 --> 02:08:00,520
Speaker 1: I think they have a different relationship with her, just

2584
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:02,920
Speaker 1: because the nature of that show. It's like it's like

2585
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:05,600
Speaker 1: she was the perspective of the audience, you know what

2586
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Like she was she was sort of your

2587
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:11,800
Speaker 1: lens into this like world of madness. So it's it's

2588
02:08:11,880 --> 02:08:15,840
Speaker 1: interesting to see I've never really seen um, I've never

2589
02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:19,520
Speaker 1: really seen anybody where it's kind of like her fans

2590
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:23,800
Speaker 1: appreciate her and a like yesterday we're walking down the

2591
02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:26,280
Speaker 1: street and people are screaming her name down the street

2592
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:28,400
Speaker 1: in New York. That's Ricky, Like I saw you on

2593
02:08:28,440 --> 02:08:31,320
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams this morning, Hi Ricky, Hi Ricky. Like she

2594
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:34,760
Speaker 1: just feels approachable, more approachable in that way, because I

2595
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:38,280
Speaker 1: think we lose sense of how many people grew up

2596
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:41,320
Speaker 1: on her, like it was one of the original absolute formats.

2597
02:08:41,560 --> 02:08:45,680
Speaker 1: And I think the nineties celebrity actually meant something in

2598
02:08:45,720 --> 02:08:50,600
Speaker 1: the room. Yes, doesn't anybody You can lick the bottom

2599
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:53,160
Speaker 1: of a told foot now and TikTok's about you know

2600
02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, celebrity meant something in the nineties.

2601
02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:57,680
Speaker 1: And it feels like everyone or a lot of people

2602
02:08:57,760 --> 02:08:59,920
Speaker 1: have an agenda, Like it's like it's where there's cello

2603
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:03,320
Speaker 1: product or push some you know, And I guess in

2604
02:09:03,360 --> 02:09:05,360
Speaker 1: a way, we are pushing art, but our thing is

2605
02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:10,760
Speaker 1: to help women, you know, Like yeah, you know, but yeah,

2606
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,760
Speaker 1: celebrity has changed. I agree, And and just the tone

2607
02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:16,200
Speaker 1: that like like I don't know how you guys do it.

2608
02:09:16,240 --> 02:09:17,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever like second guess what

2609
02:09:17,960 --> 02:09:21,440
Speaker 1: you're about to say for fear of like like backlash

2610
02:09:21,640 --> 02:09:24,680
Speaker 1: or something. But I feel like I was able to say,

2611
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have to like censor myself before

2612
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:30,520
Speaker 1: I say it, and can Yeah, we've been canceled a

2613
02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:32,520
Speaker 1: million times. I mean we've been doing it for twelve years,

2614
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:35,240
Speaker 1: so things have changed over has it shifted in these

2615
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:38,480
Speaker 1: twelve years. So it's things that they try to go

2616
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:43,320
Speaker 1: back and cancel us for. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's

2617
02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:45,840
Speaker 1: just that's the way it's part to me. Yeah, because

2618
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:48,960
Speaker 1: nobody wants to have the conversation about how culture shifted. Yeah,

2619
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:51,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to hold people accountable for things

2620
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:54,720
Speaker 1: they said, yeah in public forums ten years ago, fifteen

2621
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:57,840
Speaker 1: years ago culture exactly. I felt like that last night

2622
02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:00,240
Speaker 1: when we watch both our movies back to back back,

2623
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, and we're watching this movie we made fourteen

2624
02:10:02,640 --> 02:10:05,240
Speaker 1: years ago, and I'm a little nervous watching it, you know,

2625
02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:07,560
Speaker 1: just for that reason, because you're sitting there like, oh,

2626
02:10:07,960 --> 02:10:09,880
Speaker 1: did we have enough people of color in the movie?

2627
02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:12,640
Speaker 1: Oh god, we just said something about Britney spears in

2628
02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:15,040
Speaker 1: the movie. Little you know, things that like today might

2629
02:10:15,120 --> 02:10:17,880
Speaker 1: not fly. You know. I was gonna ask. We always

2630
02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:20,080
Speaker 1: talk about the Mount Rushmore of things, route much more

2631
02:10:20,200 --> 02:10:23,600
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore of comedians. What should Mount Rushmore of talk

2632
02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:27,520
Speaker 1: show hosts? Okay, Oprah for sure, Oprah, Donna Hue. I

2633
02:10:27,680 --> 02:10:31,560
Speaker 1: loved Donnie back in the day. I loved Darcineo. I

2634
02:10:31,600 --> 02:10:36,600
Speaker 1: watched him. Oh can we do Late Night too? Can talk? Oh? Sorry, okay, okay, daytime?

2635
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:38,520
Speaker 1: Let me think. Oh my god, throw some names at

2636
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:39,760
Speaker 1: me and I'll tell you what I think of him

2637
02:10:40,160 --> 02:10:44,720
Speaker 1: um oprah Don was a good start. Yeah, I mean

2638
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:51,400
Speaker 1: Sally Sally um oh. Monte Montell is a good guy

2639
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:54,880
Speaker 1: to show with him. Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's more,

2640
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:57,560
Speaker 1: There's more of what I'm like. There were so many.

2641
02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:00,800
Speaker 1: Come on, you just did that reunion on Tamarin. Who

2642
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:03,560
Speaker 1: was there? Oh that was Rolando was there and Montell

2643
02:11:03,720 --> 02:11:05,920
Speaker 1: was there. Yeah when Tamara Tamara was up here like

2644
02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:08,120
Speaker 1: last week and she said your name and Rolanda And

2645
02:11:08,160 --> 02:11:10,400
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, you know quote I didn't.

2646
02:11:10,480 --> 02:11:12,440
Speaker 1: I didn't think of Rolando, hadn't heard the name in

2647
02:11:12,440 --> 02:11:15,640
Speaker 1: a wild I liked. I mean, Tempest bled Zoe had

2648
02:11:15,680 --> 02:11:18,240
Speaker 1: a show, Carney Wilson had a show. I mean, yeah,

2649
02:11:18,280 --> 02:11:21,360
Speaker 1: everyone successful. No, I don't think so. I think they

2650
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:25,160
Speaker 1: only ran for a year. Queen Latina, Yeah, I mean

2651
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:27,640
Speaker 1: yesterday I went and did the Wendy Williams Show without

2652
02:11:27,680 --> 02:11:30,640
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams. But it was in my old studio, so

2653
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:33,400
Speaker 1: like I hadn't been back there in like fifteen years,

2654
02:11:33,480 --> 02:11:36,920
Speaker 1: sixteen years or something like that. I think Montell's old studio. Yeah. Uh,

2655
02:11:37,200 --> 02:11:40,360
Speaker 1: Monte Maury was there too, the twenty six Street studios.

2656
02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:42,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's all just like it just feels like

2657
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:45,200
Speaker 1: these chapters in my life. And now with this new podcast,

2658
02:11:45,240 --> 02:11:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I get to go back, right, I

2659
02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:49,000
Speaker 1: think it'll be good. Yeah, I wonder what the Raised

2660
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:51,720
Speaker 1: by Ricky podcast? What did he make you miss most

2661
02:11:51,800 --> 02:12:03,000
Speaker 1: about doing the Ricky Lakes Show? The money money, so,

2662
02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean it was funny money. I didn't even like

2663
02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:08,600
Speaker 1: like getting a bonus of a half million dollars. Come on,

2664
02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:11,880
Speaker 1: come on, it's like the budget of our entire documentary.

2665
02:12:12,440 --> 02:12:17,680
Speaker 1: It was just it was crazy. I'm okay, yes, I'm

2666
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm just fine, thank you, But believe me. Crypto crypto,

2667
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:26,360
Speaker 1: but that's not crazy. I don't think I got in

2668
02:12:26,640 --> 02:12:30,000
Speaker 1: I relatively early twenty seventeen. You got an early early

2669
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:34,360
Speaker 1: super well, Mamma went big. You know, my guy calls

2670
02:12:34,440 --> 02:12:38,480
Speaker 1: me his you know bitcoin wife, you know, counting my bitcoin.

2671
02:12:38,840 --> 02:12:41,360
Speaker 1: No like a nine cow, it's a it's a My

2672
02:12:41,480 --> 02:12:44,400
Speaker 1: guy was an it was an ex devout Mormon, so

2673
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:48,720
Speaker 1: he brings up these these Mormons. Anyway, anyway, it's you Will.

2674
02:12:50,160 --> 02:12:53,000
Speaker 1: I did, okay, I did not do like like I

2675
02:12:53,080 --> 02:12:56,280
Speaker 1: love Rosie O'donnald too. Rosie's a great, great, great friend

2676
02:12:56,280 --> 02:12:58,760
Speaker 1: of mine and a great talk show host. Um, yeah,

2677
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't have like the money that these other people have.

2678
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:03,520
Speaker 1: But I'm also I saw Jim Carrey did an interview yesterday.

2679
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:06,000
Speaker 1: He's retiring. He's like and he said he has enough.

2680
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:08,640
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel. I don't come from a

2681
02:13:08,680 --> 02:13:10,120
Speaker 1: place of the work I do is not about the

2682
02:13:10,160 --> 02:13:13,520
Speaker 1: money I make now, it's really about putting out good work. Well,

2683
02:13:13,560 --> 02:13:15,840
Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys for joining us. Thank you so much. Well,

2684
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:18,400
Speaker 1: I do want to ask one more question that two more.

2685
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:19,920
Speaker 1: Do talk show host reach out to you to get

2686
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:22,760
Speaker 1: tips now? And if they did, I'll tell you. Rosie

2687
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:25,120
Speaker 1: and Ellen both called me before they went and did

2688
02:13:25,160 --> 02:13:27,280
Speaker 1: their shows because they wanted to know what the schedule

2689
02:13:27,400 --> 02:13:31,400
Speaker 1: was like, how it worked. Um, not late like no,

2690
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:33,720
Speaker 1: not of late. I've been off the air. I haven't

2691
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:36,280
Speaker 1: done my show in so long. But but I feel

2692
02:13:36,280 --> 02:13:38,960
Speaker 1: like I do have some good pointers, and I would

2693
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:40,480
Speaker 1: say the main thing is to be a good listener.

2694
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:44,760
Speaker 1: That's you know, I think that's what I was best at,

2695
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:46,400
Speaker 1: is reacting to what I was seeing. You know, I

2696
02:13:46,440 --> 02:13:49,040
Speaker 1: didn't wear an IFB and that's something they fought me

2697
02:13:49,120 --> 02:13:51,120
Speaker 1: on every year. They just wanted, you know, the control

2698
02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:53,160
Speaker 1: room and the priests wanted to have access to me,

2699
02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:55,600
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to add anyone ever putting anything

2700
02:13:55,680 --> 02:13:57,800
Speaker 1: in my mouth, you know. So I would have Q

2701
02:13:57,960 --> 02:14:00,120
Speaker 1: cards if they needed me, but I refused to have

2702
02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:02,080
Speaker 1: an IFP. So I just I just love that, Yes,

2703
02:14:02,200 --> 02:14:03,960
Speaker 1: that show. Back then, I didn't really know who I was,

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Speaker 1: but um, but I was in the moment and present

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Speaker 1: and tried to be kind and tried to have some

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Speaker 1: fun and do some good. Quite a taste for water. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how does Ricky Lake want to be remembered? My goodness?

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Speaker 1: Um has a good time. I'm a good time I

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Speaker 1: am when Yeah, I mean want you know, I want

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Speaker 1: my legacy, Like it makes me happiest when people recognize

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Speaker 1: me and know my work from the work I do

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Speaker 1: with Abby, the Business of Being Born. These documentaries I

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Speaker 1: believe are changing the world, making the world a better place,

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Speaker 1: and they're the most personal projects and they take a

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Speaker 1: lot of work, a lot of effort. And I'm really

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Speaker 1: proud of you. You have shifted some culture. Who we

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Speaker 1: have we have. Thank you so much, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: What can the documentaries be seeing? Yes, we're streaming. You

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Speaker 1: can pre order now at the Business of Birth Control

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Speaker 1: dot com. We're self releasing it, so I don't have

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Speaker 1: a big studio behind us. You just go to the

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Speaker 1: Business of Birthcontrol dot com and it's going to be

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Speaker 1: streaming April Lafe and the Ricky Lake Raids by Ricky

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Speaker 1: podcast starting October twenty twenty two, available everywhere you listen

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Speaker 1: to podcast. Yeah, exactly. All right, Well, thank you Breakfast Club,

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Speaker 1: thank you Ricky Lake, thank you having your morning. Everybody

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Speaker 1: is DJ Envy, angela Ye, Charlomagne, the Dad, we are

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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. You got a positive note for the people.

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Speaker 1: My positive note comes from mister Don Miguel Ruise, who

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Speaker 1: I love. He's an author I love, author to Four Agreements,

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Speaker 1: Fifth Agreements, Mastery of Self, a bunch of great titles.

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Speaker 1: But he has a quote where he says, deaf is

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Speaker 1: not the biggest fear we have. Our biggest fear is

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Speaker 1: taking the risk to be alive, the risk to be

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Speaker 1: alive and express what we really are. Go live today, people,

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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club is finish it. Y'alld up.