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Speaker 1: M Hey everyone, it's me your buddy Josh, and for

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Speaker 1: this week's s Y s K Selects, I've chosen for

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Speaker 1: you guys, my buddies, how Miranda Rights Work. It's a

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Speaker 1: pretty great episode. It's full of stuff like irony, interesting history,

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Speaker 1: uh and sometimes unpalatable but important civil rights. So I

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: Clark and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and um this

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Speaker 1: stuff you should know. Jerry just told us right before

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Speaker 1: she pressed record, don't forget to be clever. What is

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Speaker 1: that about? I don't know, man, I pressure I'm a

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Speaker 1: little to own off right now. Well, I think maybe

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Speaker 1: because you said Miranda rights sort of named after the

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Speaker 1: Sex in the City character. Is that what you're talking about?

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Speaker 1: That was like forty five minutes ago. It's a call back.

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Speaker 1: So I guess that was clever in Cherry's book. That's

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Speaker 1: the thing. Like, I didn't even consider that clever, you know,

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Speaker 1: what was your response to that one? I don't remember

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Speaker 1: what I said. I thought it was fairly clever. We'll

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Speaker 1: just skip over that. You said you have the right

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Speaker 1: to remain fabulous. Oh yeah, that's right. So that's the

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Speaker 1: recap of a conversation we had a little while ago. Everybody, well,

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Speaker 1: people always say that I want to know what happens

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Just tom foolery. There you go, Chuck. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I know that. Uh, you and I have both been

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Speaker 1: stir and all that, so we know what miranda rights are.

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Speaker 1: Not true, But the average person also knows what Miranda

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Speaker 1: rights are because they're so ubiquitous on every cop show,

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Speaker 1: every lawyer show, every every show. I think they show

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Speaker 1: up on like e er, it's still on, it's on, right.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea that I'm like season seven. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. I don't think it is. I had

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Speaker 1: a pretty good long run, sure, But Miranda rights are

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Speaker 1: just this thing that have become totally ingrained in our culture.

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Speaker 1: We can all say it, well, let's say it together.

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Speaker 1: You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say

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Speaker 1: can and will be used against you in a court

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Speaker 1: of law. But hey, buddy, don't fret. You have the

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Speaker 1: right to an attorney, and if you cannot afford one,

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Speaker 1: one will be appointed to you. Right. And then over time,

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Speaker 1: apparently some agencies have added and if you waive these rights,

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Speaker 1: you can invoke them at any time. Yeah, I hadn't

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Speaker 1: I think he's a private investigator, although I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: So he wouldn't have to mirandize anybody, but he just

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Speaker 1: cast so he he does. I've never seen it. I

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Speaker 1: nice guy. But this idea that Miranda rights are. You know,

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Speaker 1: here are two interesting things. One, my name is Josh Bryant.

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Speaker 1: Pretty interesting. It's like the two of us together. It's right.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking my name. Uh. Number two he

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Speaker 1: two is I watched Wes Anderson's Royal Tannebombs. Was amazing

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Speaker 1: I love most is that every character represents a different

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Speaker 1: stage of grief. So Denial I collect fan theories. Oh

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Speaker 1: I love it. That is a great one. Have you

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Speaker 1: Um alright, So Denial is Margot Tannembaum, her unknown smoking habit,

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Speaker 1: He lies to get out of bad gambles and gambles

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Speaker 1: to cover up bad lies. This is like pretty good.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't make this up. He got off the internet.

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Speaker 1: But that's still good still. But Joshua Brant, you get

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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty good. I love fan theories like you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what makes fan theories so great if like, if

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Speaker 1: It's whine not you figured it out. One of the

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Speaker 1: trying to do. Yeah, it was like English class. Remember

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Speaker 1: but still are it's pretty wide. Yeah, but great, it's nice,

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Speaker 1: pretty cool fan theories. I'm writing a blog post on

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Speaker 1: him right now. I'm collecting him. Oh yeah, so that's

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Speaker 1: if you escape from our lab. We want to hear

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Speaker 1: send us fan theories like good ones. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: and write a think for a show fan theory feral Children.

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Speaker 1: What does that have to do with fan theories? Nothing,

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Speaker 1: That's just that's my obsession. Yours has been fan theories. Oh,

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Speaker 1: feral children. Yeah, because there have been like actual ones

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