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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Uh These are.

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Speaker 1: Some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited

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Speaker 1: together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, Miles,

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Speaker 1: we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by

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Speaker 1: very talented producer, musicians, streamer, esports commentator, one of the

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Speaker 1: very first people to work on this show with us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's constantly streaming everything because he is that bitch on Twitch.

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Speaker 1: He's a resident gaming expert.

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Speaker 2: It's DJ Dannel good.

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Speaker 3: Mane aka East Coast Daniel.

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Speaker 2: Come in live beep, I'm walking here, New York, light

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Speaker 2: of the mess.

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Speaker 1: How is it going one hundred in the house?

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Speaker 2: Well? That was that was That is incredible? That was good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and some other New York related things. Is Z one

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Speaker 2: hundred New York?

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Speaker 1: I forget you know, I've lived in some new I

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Speaker 1: had a Z ninety three in Dayton, Ohio. Shout up

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Speaker 1: to Z ninety three. That was the cool station. When okay,

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Speaker 1: like you know twelve, but yeah, that brought me back.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: Well, so you're embracing. Look, people who don't know, like

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Speaker 2: Daniel is West coasting. You know, he's born and raised

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Speaker 2: in LA and now he's living he's relocated to the big,

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Speaker 2: big Apple, and we shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Give away actually, we shouldn't give away his location like that.

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Speaker 2: That's fucked up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in a big city in the East Coast.

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Speaker 2: You are in the you're in the Lower East Side,

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Speaker 2: and you're going on house.

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Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to let our guests know that we

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Speaker 1: have a tracker on that located.

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Speaker 2: Wait but you I'm sorry. The thing that caught my

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Speaker 2: attention is you're identifying is he's Goes Daniel.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's just kind of a joke because now that

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Speaker 3: I've moved to the East Coast, my friends have said

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Speaker 3: I'm more salty, and they called me East Coast Dannel

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Speaker 3: anytime I pushed back even a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit in the wow wow wow, Okay, the East Coast

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Speaker 2: Daniel coming out. Yeah, all right, salty. Oh yeah, yeah, sorry.

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Speaker 2: I had to wear a jacket today. All right, I

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Speaker 2: had to wear a jacket today. Yeah, exactly. My feet

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Speaker 2: became Tim's. It's crazy, quite literally, my foot is a

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Speaker 2: Tim Now it's all black Air Force one facts.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm really selling drugs out here with my

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Speaker 3: all black forces around the corner.

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Speaker 2: Have you? I don't know if you saw. There's like

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Speaker 2: there's like this whole wave of like older people on

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Speaker 2: social media who are discovering what the all like black

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Speaker 2: on black air force one means. There's like a teacher

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Speaker 2: I saw this like principal TikTok, which was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: my students were like complimenting my sneaker game. And then

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Speaker 2: some people just started being like, oh, your trouble, and

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Speaker 2: she's like I thought I just had a cool sneaker on,

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Speaker 2: and then I found out this is a goon shoe.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was associated with.

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Speaker 1: Referees and priests, right, they're black on black sneaker.

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Speaker 2: Just wait, priests wear black on black sneakers. They're not't

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Speaker 2: wearing that leather shoe.

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Speaker 1: I mean they like sometimes most often I'd say they

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Speaker 1: wear the like etonic all medically designed all black. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: you know, got like nurse shoes or whatever. But I've

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Speaker 1: definitely seen I remember growing up in the church thinking

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Speaker 1: like why do priests and referees shop at the same

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Speaker 2: How can we never and how can we never see

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Speaker 2: them together at the same time. My priest is God's referee.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I have to tell you this now

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Speaker 1: that you're on the East coast. But stay prayed up,

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Speaker 1: Stay prayed up, man, Stay right, bro. I doubled over.

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Speaker 1: I doubled over in my chair. I'd stay preyed up.

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Speaker 2: That stay preyed up.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's like a week and a half old

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's fair. Rather than eat, pray love, stay

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Speaker 3: preyed up, stay predp thank you.

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Speaker 2: What is something from your search history? Man?

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Speaker 6: I will tell you I'm such a nerd for skateboarding

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Speaker 6: that almost my whole search history generally is filled with

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Speaker 6: new skateboard information. I think that's maybe the most unrelatable

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Speaker 2: But that's just the reality of the situation. I grew

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Speaker 2: up in LA in the nineties and two thousands. So

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Speaker 2: what do you mean, like we're looking at new just skaters? New?

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Speaker 2: Is the search legitimately just skateboard information? Google fresh fresh?

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Speaker 2: I should tell you, I am ai.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry that I'm always looking for I always google

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Speaker 6: something slash information. No, there's a new primitive video out

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Speaker 6: I was watching it's good. Couple of new I just

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Speaker 6: see skate video parts usually. So there's a new Primitive

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Speaker 2: What's like? Okay? So I like, I remember I used

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Speaker 2: to watch a bunch of toy machine videos, Burnhouse Girl

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Speaker 2: all that in the nineties. I feel like it peaked

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Speaker 2: with yeah, right in two thousand and three, that Spike

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Speaker 2: Jones one. Is there any like for someone who stopped

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Speaker 2: watching skate videos?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 2: What what should I watch? Now? Oh? Man?

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Speaker 1: Such a huge well, let's see great question.

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Speaker 6: I will actually say the last Primitive video that came

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Speaker 6: out's not bad. It's three new amps. We don't have

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Speaker 6: a Spike Jones today. I don't think there's nobody like his.

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Speaker 6: Shit's so creative and fun. Weekend the company called Weekend.

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Speaker 6: They put out some pretty good, like sketch based stuff, okay,

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Speaker 6: and then like they just came out with the last

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Speaker 6: Static video probably which is this really good series by

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Speaker 6: this dude, Josh Stewart. But he's been making videos since

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Speaker 6: like the nineties. Might you might have seen like Static

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Speaker 6: three or something ahead again? Yeah, yeah, good Bobby Pulio part, good,

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Speaker 6: Ni Brissard part. So he just put out probably the

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Speaker 6: last of that. So that's a good if you're a

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Speaker 6: nineties dude, check out the newest static video.

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Speaker 2: But you'll like it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, these are videos of people like doing sick shiite, the.

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Speaker 2: Sickst Ship dude, Owen Wilson fucking killing it bro or

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Speaker 2: was it I don't know, I remember that back in

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Speaker 2: the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I mean yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: was like the video that like I would make like

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Speaker 2: women I was dating watching like yeast left, don't know

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Speaker 2: why you kept getting dumped? Yeah, next thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: Hey you want to meet up for lunch at Chipotle? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I gotta go. Oh but but was it the part

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Speaker 2: with the invisible deck? That shit was pretty cool? Right? No?

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Speaker 6: Look, And honestly, in your defense, that's not a bad

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Speaker 6: way to say, like, hey, are you down?

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Speaker 1: Do you like cool shit?

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Speaker 4: Or no?

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Speaker 6: I mean it's a tasteful video, you know, don't like

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Speaker 6: and watch the whole thing, but show him something fun

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Speaker 6: and be like are we cool here?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: And then I started showing them c ky videos because

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Speaker 2: there's technically was skating there. They're like, what, no, get

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Speaker 2: out of here. Look, look we we had some swings

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Speaker 1: But I remember being shown that like as a tape

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Speaker 1: that like my friend had like from somebody the like

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Speaker 1: Spike Jones one and and then like a few years

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Speaker 1: later when Jackass came out, being like, oh they made

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Speaker 2: Oh like the early early ones. Yeah, yeah, the early

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was the fun though of that whole situation

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Speaker 6: was getting Ship on a tape felt so underground and sick.

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Speaker 2: You felt like you were getting a little treasure. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's cool exactly, Yeah, because that was like the those

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Speaker 2: that was bit torrent before bit torrent was like I

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Speaker 2: got a fucking ripped VHS copy of this thing that

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Speaker 2: someone else paid for. Yeah, sick.

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Speaker 1: I still ask teenagers to this day what if they've

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Speaker 1: got any videotapes?

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Speaker 6: And what I hold about videotapes? They hit, they worked,

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Speaker 6: They had gears. Think about how old that is. They

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Speaker 6: utilized gears. That's like, you know that feels like pretty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look like ship those things like they really look

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Speaker 1: like broke. It looked like they're like made out of

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Speaker 1: like a disassembled fax machine or something. You know, like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the v like the VCR decks were so

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Speaker 2: rewind it. The race car rewinder you ever had?

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Speaker 1: Ferrari, who was dad, was that into videotapes and he

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, we're ever need to We gonna need a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of those. Actually, this makes me realize, did you

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Speaker 2: ever get yelled at for not rewinding a tape? I

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Speaker 2: remember my mom would be like, you're like, you didn't

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Speaker 6: I worked at Blockbuster and that was there was I

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Speaker 1: We had to ask people, which felt awful.

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Speaker 6: It was like I felt like, you're, you know, talking

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Speaker 6: to a ten year old, but it was an adult.

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Speaker 2: Man, you know, Yeah, I mean what be kind? Please? Rewind?

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Speaker 1: Was like the Mantra back then. Yeah, yeah, corporate like charity.

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Speaker 1: They're just like, come on, please, we really could our

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Speaker 1: bottom line could really use this. So the week have

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Speaker 1: enough money to tell Netflix to go fuck themselves in tenures.

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Speaker 2: What's something, Jody do you think is overrated?

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Speaker 7: This is not exactly exactly overrated because I love it,

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Speaker 7: But I was thinking about this past weekend. I conned

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Speaker 7: my daughter into alphabetizing my vinyl collection for me, which

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Speaker 7: is great. It's been like two decades of mess and

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Speaker 7: then I was like, oh, this would be educational to her,

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Speaker 7: and you know, really it was just finally getting around

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Speaker 7: to do it. So we sat down and wetized my

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Speaker 7: vinyl and most of it is like stuff that I bought,

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Speaker 7: you know, for like two dollars a record, three dollars

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Speaker 7: a record, like many many years, kind of hauled around

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Speaker 7: and I love, you know, I love listening to it,

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Speaker 7: but I've gotten a little bit into just buying stuff

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Speaker 7: on final like a lot of people have lately, and

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Speaker 7: it's really expensive, Like it's crazy. And I was something

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Speaker 7: yesterday about someone saying kind of like everyone that they

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Speaker 7: know who collected vinyl for like the practice of it,

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Speaker 7: you know, not not necessarily for the fidelity of the audio,

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Speaker 7: but like just it's fun to collect, and it's good,

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Speaker 7: it's nice look at the artwork, and it's nice to

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Speaker 7: have music collection. All those people, at least this person claimed,

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Speaker 7: are moving to CDs now because you still get that

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Speaker 7: active collecting, but like, you're not dropping forty dollars on

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Speaker 7: piece of vinyl. So I think Vinyl is writing this

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Speaker 7: gonna and I've started to feel that myself too, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Right, will there ever be music stores like physical media

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, they're like put the Bangers up top.

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Speaker 2: What is something you think is underrated?

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Speaker 8: Underrated?

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Speaker 8: I also knew this question was coming. I'm being in

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Speaker 8: and they feel like little blankies on your tongue, the weave,

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Speaker 1: I take each and everyone like a Eucharist wafer.

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Speaker 8: Yes, but even if they get a little too soggy,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a kind of a late sweetness to

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Speaker 2: It's that's not my mistake. Tastes good on purpose.

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Speaker 8: Or there's engineers and scientists that know the perfect ratio

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Speaker 1: That is what our greatest scientists are doing. Like for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that one too. It's a mushroom cloud of flavor. Dude,

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Speaker 2: in your mind, how the mouth feel those the mouth

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Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe capitalism isn't all bad, right, it's bringing us

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Speaker 2: Hey, your words, your words, your words, not ours. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad we got glad we got you there, though, glad

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Speaker 1: Good at inventing Baja blast, and you know, giving dorito

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Speaker 1: nacho cheese flavored doritos, the great experience that they give

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Speaker 1: you where you just can't stop eating them. It's bad

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Speaker 8: Sciences exactly what it is, vaguely dissatisfied bliss. I'm gonna

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Speaker 8: try to remember this. Just housing snacks Trader Joe's usually

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Speaker 8: those guys, those scientists are on top of it.

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Speaker 2: Instead of death. Yeah, yeah, no, but the Trader Joe

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, you found the exact middle Trader Jos.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their peanut butter filled pretzels are so much better

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Speaker 2: I gotta say, Trader Joe's. Really they figured it out, yep,

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Speaker 2: but they haven't figured out our phone number for those

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Speaker 2: do have it out. I'm just waiting, and Trader Joe's

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Speaker 2: I need your social Security number in order to send

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Speaker 8: The number just comes up, Joe Trader's.

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Speaker 2: Damn Miles, big news. Yeah you back up, baby, just

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Speaker 2: pick up the phone like this. Well, well, wow, I've

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Speaker 2: been waiting for your call a long time. Son of them. Bitch.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I'm changing my underrated. Underrated is answering any

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Speaker 1: Well well, well, well, well, who came crawl in the back.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have this on my Bingo card? Or maybe

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Speaker 2: I did. Oh god, the Bingo card. Yes, off with

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Speaker 2: the Bengo cards please.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I do feel like I did a

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Speaker 2: Did you did you find a theory? I do?

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is another Like you know, the

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Speaker 1: you find anything new?

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Speaker 2: Not new?

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Speaker 8: You know, maybe new to me because I hadn't really

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Speaker 8: read anything by David Chase. I'm kind of saving that.

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Speaker 8: I get weird like that. I'm like, I'm saving let

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Speaker 8: me see what he has to say later. One theory

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Speaker 2: One theory that I.

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Speaker 8: I also had not considered some people were saying that

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Speaker 8: Carmela Carmela gave Tony up because she picked the restaurant.

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Speaker 8: I hate to believe that when I refused to.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I mean I mean that sound like not like

438
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Speaker 2: he was the best partners. You know, I do, but

439
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Speaker 2: you liked it. You like to romanticize that sort of

440
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Speaker 2: like mob marriage thing where it's like, yeah, till the

441
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Speaker 2: fucking wheels come off.

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Speaker 8: I probably do, and I can flate. Unfortunately, I canflate

443
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Speaker 8: Tony Soprano with James Gandolfini, who you cannot help but

444
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Speaker 8: love that act. Yeah, Like his choices are unbelievable. He

445
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Speaker 8: just has to be the most emotionally in tune person

446
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Speaker 8: to be able to act like that. I just love him.

447
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Speaker 8: So I know I'm supposed to hate Tony Soprano, but

448
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Speaker 8: I kind of can't because of that is the sweet face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That The members the members only jacket, I

450
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Speaker 2: think is the most interesting, like sort of one where

451
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Speaker 2: you really think about it because that's a reference to

452
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Speaker 2: Eugene ponte Corvo, who is the guy who like hung

453
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Speaker 2: himself after he was trying to cash out and move

454
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Speaker 2: to Florida and like then the Feds are like, dude,

455
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Speaker 2: there's no way, like you have to stay in it.

456
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Speaker 2: And remember he was showing his wife like there's that

457
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Speaker 2: whole thing where he's like, this is the house for us, babe,

458
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Speaker 2: and then he like tried his life. Life tragically ends

459
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Speaker 2: and like a lot of people, that theory is like

460
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Speaker 2: because Eugene was a member's only wearing Mobster that it's

461
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Speaker 2: like this is the thing coming back. That's like, that's

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Speaker 2: the more interesting one.

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Speaker 8: I didn't rewatch the whole series, but now that you're

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Speaker 8: saying that, I'm like remembering that that that happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Miles is up on his on his literature.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, never heard of you know these other weirdos, Like, uh,

467
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Speaker 2: I don't know. It was that one book he kept

468
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Speaker 2: trying to get me to read, Jack about the Ravens

469
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Speaker 2: or something. I'm always trying to get you to read

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Speaker 2: Edgar Mellen.

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Speaker 8: One PM now about the Ravens that.

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Speaker 1: Can catcher in the ride whatever. Miss me with that dude,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back.

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Speaker 1: I we'll talk about some of the ship that is

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Speaker 1: happening in the zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back. And we're back.

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Speaker 1: And so some people are starting to say that Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden is old. I guess, and I don't know the

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Speaker 1: shame them, I mean Trump, I guess, like I said

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Speaker 1: something like that. No, this is the main point of

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Speaker 1: discussion around the presidential race. If you had told me

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Speaker 1: that these were going to be the two candidates four

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Speaker 1: years ago, I would have told you that the main

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Speaker 1: point of conversation would be this. You know that they

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Speaker 1: are both old and mathematically speaking, But the way the

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Speaker 1: media is covering it seems to be like they they

487
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Speaker 1: want to catch them like physically stumbling. They want to

488
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Speaker 1: like see see them like stumble, or like it looks

489
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Speaker 1: like Biden pooped his pants. That's like it's it's some

490
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Speaker 1: high school burn book ass shit. Like it seems to

491
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Speaker 1: be the way that they're covering this as opposed to like,

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Speaker 1: what are the actual consequences of him? What are we

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Speaker 1: saying having been raised in a different time with different challenges.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like it's like this narrow framing

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Speaker 2: of people's discontent around the options for president they basically

496
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Speaker 2: has allowed, especially Joe Biden's allies to respond with pretty

497
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Speaker 2: like elementary defenses, which is like, he's actually very sharp,

498
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Speaker 2: He's so detail oriented. Yeah, he has his head in

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Speaker 2: the game. And like, while his age and I think

500
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Speaker 2: cognition are definitely valid concerns for voters, I think it

501
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Speaker 2: misses the larger point that many voters who are not

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Speaker 2: senior citizens are actually trying to get at. It's that

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Speaker 2: he is old and ideologically out of touch to deal

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Speaker 2: with the challenges of our modern world. And I think

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Speaker 2: when we just focus on the old part, all it

506
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Speaker 2: has to be like, dude, this dude, this dude is

507
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Speaker 2: like six pushups and eats a breakfast burrito. What the

508
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Speaker 2: fuck are you talking about? Yeah, and we're like, what

509
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Speaker 2: we really need is like when it comes to things

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Speaker 2: like climate change, you know, like you know, many people

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Speaker 2: have praised the Inflation Reduction Act for its ambitious goals,

512
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Speaker 2: although many people would also argue that it was sort

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Speaker 2: of the bare minimum, given like what's at stake with

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Speaker 2: our earth and Trump had.

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Speaker 1: Won, I think we would have actually seen what the

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Speaker 1: bare minimum was but yeah.

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Speaker 2: Bare minimum would have been like just fucking just everyone's

518
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Speaker 2: rolling cold. The opposite, every school bus would be like

519
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Speaker 2: legally obliged to it.

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Speaker 1: Turns out mad Max vehicles or whatever. Yeah, exactly doubling

521
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Speaker 1: down on making Morton Joe like part of his cabinet.

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Speaker 2: But like like right so, right now, like the Bidens administration,

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Speaker 2: they just walked back their own emissions goals from the

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Speaker 2: IRA in order to placate the big three auto makers

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Speaker 2: as GM, Ford, Stilantis. And was the issue that it

526
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Speaker 2: was too ambitious? No, it's because these companies were just

527
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Speaker 2: complaining about this speed at which they would have to

528
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Speaker 2: modernize and not sell currently, Like if you look at

529
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Speaker 2: what these companies offer, they're like gigantic, overpriced, inefficient vehicles.

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Speaker 2: When if then if you're talking like is it about emissions,

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Speaker 2: is it about what's doing what is best for the environment?

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Speaker 2: Do we need to sort of rethink what we what

533
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Speaker 2: kind of a car is best suited for this? And

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Speaker 2: I think other people point at the polling in Michigan

535
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Speaker 2: right now it's looking pretty shit for Biden, so they figure, look,

536
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Speaker 2: let's let's get let's help out, let's create some warm,

537
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Speaker 2: fuzzy feelings in Michigan. Maybe that will help us get

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Speaker 2: across the line in November. And so you're like kind

539
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Speaker 2: of left looking like, so does Biden want to like

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Speaker 2: modernize and improve the auto industry or does he actually

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Speaker 2: want to curb greenhouse gas emissions? Because I think most

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Speaker 2: people who look at the climate crisis are like, we

543
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Speaker 2: have to curb the it's the fucking emissions. We need

544
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Speaker 2: to fucking get a handle on and how we look

545
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Speaker 2: at these things. And if it's the latter, if it's

546
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Speaker 2: about emissions, then shouldn't we be talking more about like

547
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Speaker 2: fucking better mass transit and things like bike lanes. But like, again,

548
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Speaker 2: we can do, man, we can't both.

549
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Speaker 1: But I used to have lunch with strom Thermon and yeah,

550
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Speaker 1: he exactly, I'm the great compromiser man.

551
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Speaker 2: But like he again, he just wants to maintain the

552
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Speaker 2: status quo of like ignoring the degradation of the planet,

553
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Speaker 2: and like that's fine, but like sort of give us

554
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Speaker 2: these warm fuzzy feelings like well, you know, maybe I

555
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Speaker 2: get these car manufacturers to do this thing that sort

556
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Speaker 2: of misses the point. And when you roll back the emissions,

557
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: that sends a bad message to the younger people who

558
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Speaker 2: will have to inherit this earth. And like another example, right,

559
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: the genocide that's happening in Gaza, where people are facing starvation.

560
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: Biden ignores the polling that shows that a significant majority

561
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Speaker 2: of his own voters want an immediate cease fire. He

562
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Speaker 2: would rather again just preserve the old ways, blindly armed

563
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Speaker 2: like blindly arming like a homicidal regime, and keep arms

564
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Speaker 2: manufacturers happy in groups like APAC from putting money against him.

565
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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, this is causing him to hemorrhage support with

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Speaker 2: like younger voters or the people that pretty that power

567
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Speaker 2: political campaigns, like you need young people to get behind

568
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Speaker 2: your political campaign to have any kind of ground game

569
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Speaker 2: or success there. And the reason why a lot of

570
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Speaker 2: people are like put off by this again, it's because

571
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Speaker 2: we see that like these are this is the old

572
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Speaker 2: way of doing things, and we see that what the

573
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Speaker 2: status quo has given us inequality, continue depression of marginalized people,

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Speaker 2: and a planet that is telling us every single day

575
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Speaker 2: that we need to do something different fast. And the

576
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Speaker 2: mainstream media just talks around these issues by just hammering

577
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Speaker 2: home they like this guy as old as shit talking point,

578
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Speaker 2: and we're not like actually giving to the real issues

579
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Speaker 2: that sort of underpin this observation. So if the conversation

580
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Speaker 2: is he is not equipped to contend with the existential

581
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Speaker 2: threats and understand that American in twenty twenty four is

582
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Speaker 2: actually quite diverse, then the defenses are going to have

583
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Speaker 2: to actually talk about policy. So right now, it's just about,

584
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Speaker 2: like I said, can he do a jump rope? Can

585
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Speaker 2: he do jump rope really good? And does he does

586
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Speaker 2: he know? Does he remember who was in the monkeys?

587
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Speaker 2: And if you want people to see someone as not

588
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Speaker 2: being old at the very least, you can show that

589
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Speaker 2: with policy that shows you know what younger people than

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Speaker 2: you are concerned with, and don't just be like like, well,

591
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Speaker 2: the other guy's fucking old too, and he's a fascist.

592
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Speaker 2: And that's what I think is driving a lot of things,

593
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Speaker 2: Like we have real fucking problems. So like, while a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are talking about the age thing, I

595
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: think the discussion misses that what that entails. It's that

596
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Speaker 2: we are looking at all these like and we're in

597
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Speaker 2: an omni crisis and we need real sort of substantive

598
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Speaker 2: solutions that feel markedly than what's going on. And you know,

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Speaker 2: right right now, the administration just announced like one point

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Speaker 2: two billion in student death relief will be forgiven for

601
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Speaker 2: around one hundred and fifty thousand people. That is objectively

602
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Speaker 2: a good thing. But those are the kinds of things

603
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Speaker 2: that this administration can do that doesn't really require risking

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Speaker 2: the kind of political cachet that like getting tough with

605
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Speaker 2: oil and gas industries or the military industrial complex would.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, like when I think about it too,

607
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Speaker 2: like we're just looking at what the perspective is of

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Speaker 2: this president or being or telling like people who are

609
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Speaker 2: concerned with like earth death or where our tax dollars

610
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Speaker 2: are going, or what we're enabling with our tax dollars.

611
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Speaker 2: It just feels like he's like, look, it's it'll be okay,

612
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Speaker 2: It'll be okay. You guys are just overblowing it. But

613
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Speaker 2: like I was recently, like with some older family members,

614
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Speaker 2: and they all said some version like when we were

615
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Speaker 2: talking about like, oh God, what's going on in this country?

616
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Speaker 2: There's all some version of, well, I'm glad that I'm

617
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Speaker 2: at the tail end of my life because I can't

618
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Speaker 2: imagine how tough times are going to be for you

619
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Speaker 2: and your kids, you know what I mean? You know,

620
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Speaker 2: And I feel. Biden embodies this perspective like he is

621
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Speaker 2: legislating as if he won't have to deal with the

622
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Speaker 2: ramifications of his own policies and expects those of us

623
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Speaker 2: that will that it's it's not that bad, it's not

624
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Speaker 2: that bad, and being really dismissive.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's yeah. It is the thing that

626
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Speaker 1: we see repeatedly with generations as they age out, and

627
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: they're always despairing for the following generation. They're always like,

628
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Speaker 1: your problems are intractable because we did our best and

629
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Speaker 1: we're amazing, So this is fucked like, there's.

630
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Speaker 2: No way you're going to come up with something.

631
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Speaker 1: The reality of the situation is the younger people are generally,

632
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Speaker 1: you know, smarter and have more flexible minds and have

633
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Speaker 1: like better perspective to attack these problems and new ways

634
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Speaker 1: that the elderly aren't able to think about, and they're

635
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Speaker 1: also not able to even like con see that those

636
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Speaker 1: possibilities are are possible.

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Speaker 2: You know.

638
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Speaker 1: And so it's just such a uniquely bad time for

639
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Speaker 1: us to be stuck in this eddy of you know,

640
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: forward progress where it's a you know be in the

641
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: same way that all the money is being trapped by

642
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: the people who already have all the money, all the

643
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: power is being trapped by all the people who have

644
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Speaker 1: all the power up until the time that they're dead

645
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Speaker 1: and can no longer continue to acquire power. It's just

646
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: a system that is, you know, designed, like they there

647
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: were very specific things in place, like this was a

648
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Speaker 1: known thing that like when you have this system, you

649
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: have to guard against a gerontocracy, Like that's a very

650
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: real problem. And yeah, slowly they just managed to kind

651
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Speaker 1: of edit all that stuff out of the narrative and

652
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Speaker 1: out of history so that people are now just like, hey.

653
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Speaker 2: Wait a second, how these people get so old? Right? Yeah?

654
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 6: And I feel and I think it's also endemic of

655
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 6: like the society generally moving left as it does. Right,

656
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 6: It's like the more we learn, the more we become educated,

657
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Environmentalism was not really a

658
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 6: thing like one hundred and fifty years ago, and now

659
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 6: it's like this very serious concern.

660
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: Right.

661
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 6: So it's like, so when the younger generation is just

662
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 6: naturally more left, it's kind of horrifying that like what

663
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 6: when we see what we considered what the government considers

664
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 6: to be left, it's actually pretty fucking central. Like you're

665
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 6: saying being sort of owned by big oil in the

666
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 6: military industrial complex, it's like somewhat horrifying.

667
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was.

668
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: It was you know, environmentalism was a thing with like

669
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, native civilizations and stuff.

670
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: They had a grasp on it.

671
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, it certainly shifted very far right to

672
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: a place of just like resource extraction.

673
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 6: They didn't have to contend like Western colonial exploitation.

674
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just they just called that being alive. Yeah,

675
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: like being naturally imbalanced in balance with stuff.

676
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just yeah, it's wild because like David Axelrod,

677
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: you know, who is a political strategist, you know, responsible

678
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 2: for getting Obama in office, and you know a lot

679
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: of people like you know, what what what David axel

680
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: were like, what can what can Joe Biden do man

681
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: to help sort of defend against these attacks about his

682
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: age or whatever, And he was just sort of like, yeah,

683
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: just merely juxtapose his positions with Trumps. Sure, And it's

684
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: like you're but that's not you're not getting the anxiety

685
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: that people feel. It's like I feel increasingly unsafe in

686
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: a world that's like prioritizing like militarism or earth degradation,

687
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: and I have a fucking one year old, and I'm

688
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: even even in my mind like what the fuck does

689
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: it look like for you? Like shit, I mean, I

690
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: plan on being alive a little bit longer, so I'm

691
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: probably we're probably gonna see some shit. But then what

692
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: of like our kids and things like that. And I

693
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: think Biden sort of has like this attitude of sort

694
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: of like I remember when I first took like an

695
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: astronomy class and you learn that the Earth is a

696
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: star and then star die and explode, and everyone's like, yeah,

697
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: when the Earth where the sun? No, no, when the

698
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: sun or when the sun? Sorry, the sun is a star,

699
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: like saying like you know, when the sun dies, it

700
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: will fucking destroy like it will it will destroy the

701
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: earth too when that shit happens. And I'm like, oh

702
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: my god, when's the fucking sun gonna die? And like

703
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: like fucking a billion years, I'm like, oh, fuck the

704
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: fuck it? Then why the fuck do I care about that?

705
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: Like that's kind of like the the attitude that a

706
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: lot of politicians have with a lot of these like

707
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: huge things. We're like, I don't know, we can just

708
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 2: keep kicking this can down the road and just sound

709
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: like the warning bells about what will happen if we

710
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: don't codify certain laws or if you don't get a

711
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: handle on curbing like emissions or inequality without actually doing

712
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: anything as to them. It's like so abstract, like the fallout,

713
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: and they're insulated. So I don't know. I just think,

714
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: like for all the talk of like it's not me,

715
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: I think it again. I think just for people always

716
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: say it's the age. It's the age, it's the age.

717
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: It just allows to skirt over like the real issues.

718
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: Whatever that be, Like, yeah, is it just that he

719
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: can't do push ups well and you think he's gonna

720
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: fall Like there's a New York Times something like some

721
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: New York Times alert that popped up for me today

722
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: that was like what if Trump and Biden die? And

723
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: that again, if you're covering it from the perspective of

724
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: like a horse race, it is certainly notable that one

725
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: of the two horses that can win could die like

726
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: during the course of the race. But yeah, it's mainly

727
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: that is the way that the Like back in two

728
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: thousand and four, when I was working at ABC News,

729
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: they were having like this real internal crisis of consciousness

730
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: about like we are only covering this lake.

731
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: It's a horse race.

732
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: We never talk about policy, and but they like continued

733
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: to do that shit like they were like, and there's

734
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: no way out because that is the only way we

735
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: really know how to talk about this in a way

736
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: that makes sense as TV, you know, right.

737
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, like kind of the lowest common denominator, Like look

738
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 6: at his face, isn't it old.

739
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 8: That?

740
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 6: Although I do love this idea, if there was no

741
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 6: like age cap on like professional sports, like that was

742
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 6: you were watching a baseball game, and also there was

743
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 6: there was a bunch of people who are so old

744
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 6: they might pass away during the level of reentry.

745
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, hit with a ball like right off, right

746
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: off the bat, like oh no, But.

747
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: Again, okay, I do have to push back here a

748
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: little bit. You are only paying attention to the things

749
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: that he's actually doing as president. You're not paying attention

750
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: to the things that people say he is doing behind

751
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: the scenes.

752
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes.

753
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Speaker 5: He is sharp, and he is so mad and who's

754
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 5: an asshole? So he called I'm a like, I.

755
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: Don't, I don't. He's cool, dude, He's cool in private, dude.

756
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: He just he fucking he likes trippy red, you know

757
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: what I mean, And he listens to he was fucking

758
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: with the last couple of Played with Cardi albums. He's

759
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: actually really cool. But again, I think it's the whole

760
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: point is to keep it, keep that debate there, because again,

761
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: the most of the mainstream media is it really equipped

762
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: to grapple with the policy failures of just America for

763
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: the last fifty years in general anyway. So like, because

764
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: anytime it is brought up, you're gonna have a bunch

765
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: of people who are like establishment politicians are just like

766
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: it's this is fine, the police are great, it's okay,

767
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: these things these are just noisy activists and that's kind

768
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: of like the message you get. But yeah, I think

769
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: like as I experienced more spirited discussions around people of

770
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: many generations talking about the presidential and they're like, people

771
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: got to get over the fact that he's old. It's like,

772
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: it's not it's not just that it's not I'm not

773
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: just saying the fact that he's old, get him out

774
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: of here. It's that this dude has no idea what

775
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: life is going to look like for us, and he

776
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: doesn't give a shit. And that's fucking frightening and none

777
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: of these and none of the many of the people

778
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: in office do not, and without a real sea change

779
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: of that kind of thinking it, things look very dire.

780
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: And that's I think what merely people are asking for

781
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: is like, can you least wink at the fact that

782
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: you know what things could look like? You know, like

783
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: if we just keep keep maintaining this course.

784
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: And just again, you know, behind the scenes on Biden

785
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: expert here, Okay, he tried winking yesterday and his eyes

786
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: started to bleed, So we're gonna actually.

787
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: Hold off on that one. Eyelashes got caught and got

788
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: tangled to each other. He couldn't open the eye anymore

789
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 2: because we function effectively as spider webs at this point,

790
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: so he can't close his eyes or else. You know,

791
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: they're like, no, that's just not the thing. Just help

792
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: help me understand about what we're gonna do to make

793
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: things better. Don't just be like this guy sucks too.

794
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: And that's why I think there's increasing, yeah, just increasing

795
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: apathy and frustration around this because like even when people

796
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 2: feel like, can we can we talk about these issues

797
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: like na, we can talk about how shitty Trump is though.

798
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 6: Well, dude, and there's a whole we are foundationally and

799
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 6: this is not unique what I'm saying, but just foundationally

800
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 6: addicted it to oil and automobiles, you know what I mean.

801
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 6: Thinking of what is required to actually like upend this

802
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 6: entire foundational situation here with our dependency on just cars alone,

803
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 6: is like it's policy. It's got to be policy change

804
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 6: and structural consciousness change, Like people have to start to

805
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 6: understand that there's going to have to be sacrifices. We

806
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,959
Speaker 6: have the tools to do it, like we could work

807
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 6: from home, We have the internet. We can get so

808
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 6: much done, right, you know what I mean? If it's

809
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 6: so we kind of like we just need to, but

810
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 6: it's hard when the you know, automotive industry is such

811
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 6: like an aspect of the backbone in the American economy

812
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 6: in certain states.

813
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: You know, right, yeah. Or even just thinking about like

814
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: how our justice system works. Are foreign policy, it's always

815
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: like this patriarchal like, well, someone's got to get fucking hit, yep,

816
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: you know, And that extends to the militarism, that extends

817
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: to why we see no real improvement in like how

818
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: our justice system works. It's like, yeah, because it requires

819
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: us to really again to abandon these fucking archaic ideas

820
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: to move into something different and yeah, and I think

821
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure obviously not everyone is a high value or

822
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: high information voter. I was getting into high value mail

823
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: because you were talking about the manisphere powerful. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

824
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: but high information voters like but people do sort of

825
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: in their bones feel like something has to fucking change

826
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 2: on some level. And it's like when when we aren't

827
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: able to really get those ideas out of have those debates, yeah,

828
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: we're sort of doomed to just stay in this cycle

829
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: and then you know, shaking our fists at the sky.

830
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah. It's one of the most consistent things

831
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: you see across history is like it, and it gets

832
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: written out because in the same way that you know,

833
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: the people who are speculating on like the stock market,

834
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: they don't a year from now, are they're like being

835
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: completely wrong, you know, like that shit just like gets

836
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: memory hold. One of the consistent tropes throughout history is

837
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: the people who are like aging out, just having severe

838
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: pessimism and cynicism about the future. And you know, they're

839
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: just too old to understand it, too old to like

840
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: approach the problem with fresh eyes, and it's we are

841
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: at like a major crossroads for the species, like one

842
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: of the one of the most difficult crossroads of our

843
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: species in generations. And we really like this is the

844
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: worst possible time to have people who are just like

845
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: cynical and pessimistic about our ability to solve these problems

846
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: and to think about these problems.

847
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, completely, because human beings are actually incredibly capable, Like

848
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 6: we're actually capable of doing incredible things if we're allowed

849
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 6: to make those decisions for ourselves.

850
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: You know. The thing that makes me.

851
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: Feel like sometimes like positive about the future is just

852
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: like thinking right before World War Two, as you know,

853
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: there's like this massive dust cloud devouring like the farmland

854
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of the country. There's the Great depression,

855
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Hitler is rising, Like all of these horrible things are happening,

856
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: and you know, the world is going to like come

857
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: together and like get through it and like build the

858
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: future for in a lot of ways, like the highway system,

859
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: all these different like dams and all these various things.

860
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: But it wasn't through listening to the very old people

861
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: who were you know, just like fuck right, you had

862
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: to you had to get some new blood in there.

863
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: So all right, let's take a quick break and we'll

864
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: come back and talk about some good news. We'll be

865
00:43:49,880 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: right back and we're back. Yeah. I think that's a

866
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: really good point.

867
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Speaker 1: I was about the like democratization of all these different

868
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: forms of media. Like I feel like with movies, we've

869
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: seen like there was a lot of excitement around like

870
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: oh man, there's like all these sketch groups online and

871
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: like that, you know you're discovering new talent that way

872
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: and that. But I feel like that's like kind of gone.

873
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: Away a little bit.

874
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: But with gaming, I feel like I could see that

875
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: just theoretically, not not knowing much about the industry at all,

876
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: but like that's what is exciting to me is that

877
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: like as coding becomes more and more you know, boosted

878
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: by AI like it, it feels like it's going to

879
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: be easier and easier for people to, like everybody to

880
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: like come up with an idea, like an iteration on

881
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: an existing game and just like make it happen. As

882
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: opposed to with movies, I feel like it's still still

883
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: need like good performances, right, you still need like these

884
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: things that are hard to get, and like usually you

885
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: need a lot of money. So like gaming is still

886
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: this like writing based, idea based thing that I could

887
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: see in the near future just becoming like more democratic

888
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: than any of the other like major forms of media.

889
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to highlight one other thing about the

890
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: gaming space right now that I think is really fun

891
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: and is is what kind of like adds to that

892
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: or what adds to the what I started with about

893
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: how it is so open to any kind of experience

894
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: you want to have. There's lots of games that are

895
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: developed these days that are developed by one person just

896
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: because they're super excited about this one prospect. A very

897
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: famous example is a game called Stardy Valley. Stardi Valley

898
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 3: is developed by one person. I wrote on this person's name,

899
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: Eric Concerned Aped barone. Now Eric made this one game

900
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: himself as a farming simulator, but it's also slightly relationship simuliar.

901
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: He's Italian.

902
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 9: Wow pronunciation Yeah concerned Wait why is he concerned ape?

903
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: That's not like that's just.

904
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: That's just his username, concerned Ape. It's kind of like

905
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 3: player unknown. Yeah, I just can't remember playing. It wasn't

906
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: like an NFT play they go exactly. Stardi Valley, a

907
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: game developed by one person. As of twenty twenty two,

908
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: has sold twenty million copies. It's a game that struck

909
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: a nerve with people who wanted to make a farming

910
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 3: simulator type game, and it's just one person who's doing

911
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 3: something they love at a time when a genre wasn't

912
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: exactly like it's. That is not a game that was

913
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: a drilled down version of a genre that was super

914
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 3: super popular at the moment. That was just something that

915
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 3: struck people really strongly. Another genre of game, or another

916
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: developer who made a game that, again was not something

917
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: that people something people were looking for, is a guy

918
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: named Bennett Foddy. He's made a web game you may

919
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: have heard of called quap q w O.

920
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the running one, the running one.

921
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: He developed the run game where all you have is

922
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: qwop to control the knees and legs of a runner,

923
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: and your point is to do one hundred meter dash

924
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 3: and it is so poorly controlled, it is so punishingly

925
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: slow and stupid that people love doing it because it's

926
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: just so hard to do. He made another game called

927
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 3: Getting Over It, where you are a naked person sitting

928
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: in a black kettle with a hammer and your whole

929
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: goal is to climb up a mountain by using your

930
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 3: hammer to propel yourself up the mountain, and the entire

931
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 3: time Bennett Foddi is narrating why you shouldn't be doing

932
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 3: this and why it's frustrating and how punishing the whole

933
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 3: process is. Where does that fit on the scale of

934
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 3: these video games? How is that a Battle Royale like Fortlite?

935
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: How or Fortnite? How is that like a farming simulator

936
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: like Starry Valley.

937
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: It's not.

938
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: This is a guy who has a passion for making

939
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: these unique experiences the ability to do so just by

940
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: being a coder and with these gaming tools. I think

941
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: he made it in Unity, which is another engine similar

942
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: to the Unreal engine, and it's decided to make this

943
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: game that has now sold millions of copies. It is

944
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 3: another one like he.

945
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: Also profoundly hates humankind.

946
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: You might say that like a Larry David style outlook

947
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: on Yes humanity.

948
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: Yes exactly, that everybody should play it. I missed looking

949
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: like Jordan bel for Belle fort on Kwaylud's trying to

950
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: run on that thing been my man.

951
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just one of these things where it's like,

952
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: you know, the world of video games almost feels, you know,

953
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: less like TV and movies and almost like the world

954
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 3: of music, where the tools to create it have become

955
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: so easy to access that like, while you have people

956
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: who are making who are trying to be the next

957
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift or trying to be the next Dead Mouse,

958
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: or trying to be the next Kendrick Lamar, you have

959
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: people who are also just like I made this weird

960
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: song and all of a sudden that sound pops all that.

961
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: You have people who are one hundred gecks comparatively, or

962
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 3: you have people who are just doing something that is

963
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: complete who is so different and completely off the wall.

964
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: You're Sophie's of the world. You're like, you're you know,

965
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's another like very peculiar or like

966
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: a unique artist right now, you get what I mean.

967
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 3: My point is is that like the tools are so

968
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: easy to access and democratize, they.

969
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: Go people are good. Originally it was a version of that.

970
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 3: Right yeah, yeah, but people who are taking these tools

971
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: to make something that is unique to them, that is

972
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: not necessarily being asked for at the time, but finding

973
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: the right audience for it such that it becomes super popular,

974
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: even if at the time it's like, what is this

975
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: even for video games? Offer that lane, and that is

976
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: something that makes me really excited about the future of

977
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: video games. We just keep getting more stuff like that

978
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: because the tools are so easy to act, right.

979
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: Because it's almost like so like when someone makes a game,

980
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: it's like because I know music production, video production pretty well.

981
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: It's like because I remember if you wanted to make music,

982
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: Like it's like, did you have these old school production

983
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: keyboards that had the sounds that you wanted that you

984
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: were hearing on the thing, And yeah, exactly do you

985
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: have that core? You got a triton, you know, yeah,

986
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: you have all that. And then but now you have

987
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: more like effects packs that come out like you know,

988
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: SAMP like whatever, VSTs that give you certain keyboard sounds

989
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: that you didn't have before. Is that how people are

990
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: kind of making games too, Like where these are sort

991
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: of like modular and you can kind of be like, Okay,

992
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: I need a little bit of this. I need I

993
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 2: need my version of Massive for lack of a better

994
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: comparison to making like electronic music, and so I can

995
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: use that for for the physics will be the game engine,

996
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: and then I can use these other things. So it

997
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: does feel like kind of like if you're savvy enough

998
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: there there is a way to sort of like execute

999
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: on like an idea because just like those elements are

1000
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: just there versus years before. It's like, well, do you

1001
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: have a seven hundred person team.

1002
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 3: This is one of the last things I want to

1003
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: talk about, and it's one of the things that get

1004
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 3: out of the episode.

1005
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: Short. Okay, I going for about like an hour or so,

1006
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: but anyway ahead, this is this is the last thing

1007
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: you're going to talk about. All right, It's it's related

1008
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 2: the last time I'm telling you. Another question that Jack

1009
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: posed was about Disney throwing money at Epic. I'm trying

1010
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: to see where it was in here because I just

1011
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 2: like I saved a place for it. Cut all this,

1012
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: this is all bullshit. Here we go. Okay, are you

1013
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: reading through my notes? No? No, no, no, this is

1014
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: and you know it's what I'm talking about.

1015
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 9: You know, let's just mute night channel thinking.

1016
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: Okay, this is kind of going back to Fortnite and

1017
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 3: the Unreal Engine and all of and all of that

1018
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: and what you know they're creating with Fortnite. Disney just

1019
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 3: threw one point five billion dollars, which is about like

1020
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: a four to five percent stake in Epic.

1021
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: Why are they that's wait, that's a four percent steak

1022
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: in Epic is one and a half. It might be,

1023
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: it might be less. Honestly, yeah, I didn't. I don't

1024
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: know how much stuff is worth anymore. They're they're an

1025
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: enormous company. I know shock Tank though. Yeah you say,

1026
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: if you said if you came out one point five

1027
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: billy for four percent, I'd be like, get the fuck out.

1028
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 3: Wow, okay huge. It is a huge amount for not

1029
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 3: that big of a steak. But what Disney is getting

1030
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 3: out of that is this connection of their IP to

1031
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: things like Fortnite, the ability to use on real five

1032
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: to help make movies, and just like this connection into

1033
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 3: a world that people are already in all the time.

1034
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 3: Now you've heard the term metaverse being thrown around, so

1035
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: we love it and like Facebook wanted to make one,

1036
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 3: blah blah blah want to make one, but they're not

1037
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 3: crazy that he got to it first.

1038
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: And now, like for so many people when they hear

1039
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: meta metaverse, they're like they picture Mark Zuckerberg with no legs,

1040
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: Like up, Mark Zuckerberg's little avatar floating around with no legs.

1041
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: Things that's like, no, this is the future. This dude

1042
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: just like fucked it up in the main street.

1043
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: He just completely fucked it up. But it is funny

1044
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 3: how the branding of that kind of came to him

1045
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 3: because people don't think of Fortnite as the metaverse. But

1046
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 3: when you can be Lebron James or Soske from Naruto,

1047
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: or Alloy from Horizon Zero don or Peter Griffin from

1048
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: Family Guy aside character in Fortnite, that is the metaverse.

1049
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: When you and your friends are jumping into the Fortnite

1050
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 3: launcher and playing Fortnite traditional Fortnite Fortnite with no building,

1051
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 3: or a racing game developed by Psionics, the people who

1052
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 3: make Rocket League, or they're playing a rhythm game developed

1053
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: by Harmonics, the people who made rock Band, or they're

1054
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: making the survival crafting game in collaboration with Lego, all

1055
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 3: within one game, all within Fortnite. Fortnite is not trying

1056
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: to be like the best shooter. Fortnite is trying to

1057
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: be Nintendo. When your mom used to say, oh, are

1058
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: you playing that? Nintendo? Fortnite is trying to be or

1059
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: are you play that Fortnite? Fortnite is so many different

1060
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: git and it kind of is now not only that

1061
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 3: like Fortnite has their own tools built into the Fortnite

1062
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: engine for you to create your own game. Like if

1063
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 3: you open up Fortnite, you'll see the main games Fortnite, Fortnite,

1064
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: Note Build, Lego, Fortnite, Rocket Racing, harmont or it's I

1065
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: can't remember what it's called. It's the Rhythm game. It's

1066
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: like main Stage or some shit like that. But then

1067
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 3: you have fifteen or sixteen other most popular user created

1068
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 3: modes that you can just play that are completely different games,

1069
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 3: all built within the Fortnite engine, like Fortnite is, or

1070
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: rather Epic Games is using Fortnite as the tip of

1071
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: the spear for Unreal Engine five to show people what

1072
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: you can do with this tool.

1073
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: Right, people who are building those games making money? Like,

1074
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: are they taking out the Wait?

1075
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: Can't you can't you make money off of like a.

1076
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 3: Map you can make money off of? You know, I'm

1077
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 3: actually not sure. Okay, because I'm not sure.

1078
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. This is bullshit.

1079
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Speaker 3: Check that, because if you can make money off a

1080
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: Fortnite map, that'd be interesting. But I'm pretty sure they're

1081
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 3: just user generated and it's like if people are playing them, yeah.

1082
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 2: Well no, the only reason I know this is because

1083
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: there's a player at Arsenal in the academy. He's not

1084
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: like in the main team yet. He's like a teenager

1085
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: named Rouel Walters, and he like like they're like, before

1086
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: he got signed his professional contract, They're like, this kid

1087
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: was already making money on Fortnite because he was he

1088
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: made like a super popular map.

1089
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, well there you go. I mean like if

1090
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: then if they're making i mean, if kids are making

1091
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 3: money off that, then that's even more awesome.

1092
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. But yeah, it's so.

1093
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: They're the engine that makes all of this creation possible exactly,

1094
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: and they're making a big chunk of the money. But

1095
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: like the people who are going on there and being

1096
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: creative are able to like.

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00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 2: Get some part of it. He said in this article

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00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: in The Athletic. It's like, yeah, because of the creator

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00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: code or whatever.

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00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: Oh that's different. Oh what's that's different. Creator code is

1101
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 3: basically a way that you can say this person brought

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00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 3: me here. So if you enter a creator code when

1103
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 3: you're buying a skin on Fortnite, there's a little kickback

1104
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: to the creator who did that to you. So he's

1105
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: probably streaming on Twitch and said, use my creator code

1106
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: and and then you buy skins. It's a kickback to me.

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00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: He said. Two hundred and fifty million people played his

1108
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: map in one week. That's fucking crazy. That's awesome. Anyway,

1109
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: I was just like, yeah, I knew there was like

1110
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: some way, but yeah, maybe not if there's a way, sorry,

1111
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: go on, right, no, but still but but that but

1112
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: that is a whole other thing.

1113
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: That's that's just the It's just these little tools that

1114
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: like Fortnite or Epic Games offers, just within the Fortnite

1115
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,959
Speaker 3: engine where it's just like, oh, yeah, use my code,

1116
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: type in my name so that you kick back to

1117
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 3: me who you like to just buy whatever skin you're

1118
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 3: gonna buy, right, And sometimes those skins are actual people

1119
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 3: like I said, Lebron James or even random streamers who

1120
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: are you know, part of the animal community such that me.

1121
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: Could you yeah, could you imagine the boring skin. But

1122
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 3: then you have people like the Weekend, and then you

1123
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: have Peter Griffin, and then you have Pickle Rick. You

1124
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: just have all of this ip that is within the

1125
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 3: world of Fortnite, so that you can be whoever you

1126
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 3: want in the world of Fortnite. Whenever you're playing any

1127
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 3: of those games, right, like that is what they're That

1128
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: is the world that they're creating, that they're fostering. That

1129
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: is like it's it's it's.

1130
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 2: Wild how like interchangeable it can be, you know, because

1131
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: there's so many times like I'll be playing a game,

1132
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: I'll be like, man, I wish there was just a

1133
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: Star Wars version of GTA, right, Like why can't I

1134
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: just have this look like Star Wars? And they're that

1135
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: game is coming out. But like with the flexibility of

1136
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: these other games, it's like, well, yeah, we we can

1137
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: already just map this ip onto it. It's like, yeah,

1138
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: you want to play like stud versus Peter Peter, then

1139
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: exactly do it.

1140
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: There's a Darth Vader, there's a Darth Vader. There's a

1141
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: Luke Skywalker. There's an Anakin Skywalker skin in Fortnite. Yeah yeah,

1142
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: it's so what have a lightsaber?

1143
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: So it sounds like obviously there's like there's ease in

1144
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: which that people are being able to make games, and

1145
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: that's you know, AI has a certain hand into that

1146
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: is the is like the main risk, just like the

1147
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: voice acting stuff, because that's the one thing I've saw

1148
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 2: consistently from like voice acting people who are like, get

1149
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: the fuck away from my gime with AI, because that is.

1150
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: A huge, huge earner for voice actors.

1151
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 3: It's a huge thing. And that was one of the

1152
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 3: things that I wrote down is what really worries me

1153
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: about AI. You know, my fears is the less human actors.

1154
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: If the AI is going to take over, there's no

1155
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: way you can script for it right now. It's kind

1156
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 3: of a meme that if you're thorough, you'll talk to

1157
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 3: an MPC until you're just hearing the same prompts over

1158
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 3: and over, and that means that you've exhausted all the

1159
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 3: dialogue options and what you're you know, the person you're

1160
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: talking to, Like, there's only so much that you can

1161
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: script with a real person. But for an actor who

1162
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 3: would then be kind of prompting an AI voice, You're

1163
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 3: going in doing one day of work, maybe even only

1164
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: like an hour of work, and then that AI prompt

1165
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: is then generating an infinite amount of responses forever, right,

1166
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: And that's scary. That's scary. That's taking the human element

1167
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 3: out of the the you know, the interaction side of

1168
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: video games, and that's something that's kind of you know,

1169
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: it's a bridge we're going to have to cross it's

1170
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 3: going to be you know, it's going to be a

1171
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 3: contract that needs to be signed. It's going to need

1172
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 3: to be some sort of agreement that we have. That's

1173
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: that is you know, how we kind of control this

1174
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: forthcoming storm that is AI actors being part of video

1175
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 3: games because that is real, that is very real. What

1176
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: is going to happen?

1177
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1178
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: Right, it sounds like more and more the more you

1179
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: describe it, the more it reminds me of like the

1180
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: media kind of content economy ten years ago on the Internet,

1181
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: where it's like it's very user driven and like it's

1182
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: like all all these creative people who are somewhat anonymous

1183
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: are driving a lot of the innovation, and it's just

1184
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: like kind of a lot of them.

1185
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: Are doing it for the love of the game.

1186
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: And that turned out well. I think we you know,

1187
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: now we have really great websites full of top tier

1188
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: user generated content, and no, it obviously went horribly wrong

1189
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: because nobody could like really figure out how to monetize that,

1190
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: and so they just like kill I guess. So, I

1191
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: don't know difference was helpful until I had that thought.

1192
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it'll just continue innovating it's yeah,

1193
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: it's it is one of the ideas that was thrown

1194
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: out in like in reading up on AI is like

1195
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: they're like, well, one of the problems we have with

1196
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: AI is that we don't have a body.

1197
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: For this AI.

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01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: This are you know, chat GPT to go walk out

1199
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: into the world and like start getting data and feedback

1200
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: like learning with its body and with its ability to

1201
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: move around in space. So that was just another thing

1202
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: that occurred to me as we were talking. It was

1203
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: like the NPC chat GPT model, Like in addition to

1204
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: being like a cool thing to play with, I could

1205
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: see that being prioritized by the company's, the AI companies,

1206
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: because that is something they're looking for, is like something

1207
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: some mechanism for it to like go out and interact in.

1208
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: The real world and like be able to kind of

1209
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 2: move around on the phone and just get like free

1210
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: R and D from Yeah. Yeah, in these games, it's

1211
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: like a character out in this like open world. Yeah,

1212
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: but it's gonna come away thinking like they believed I

1213
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: was African American due to the outsized use of racial

1214
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: slurs I hear from young gamers, like, I don't think

1215
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: that data set is going to.

1216
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 3: Be fucking poison. It's gonna be bad. It's gonna be bad.

1217
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: Well ship, Uh, Daniel, I feel like we could keep

1218
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: talking about this for weeks.

1219
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on. That's my pleasure. Thank you for

1220
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 2: having me.

1221
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: Making me less afraid of all the gaming ship that

1222
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: I hear?

1223
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: What do you? I don't know what any of it means? Jack,

1224
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: did you come out of this? Is there a game now?

1225
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: That's obviously because you're you're up on on the Nintendo.

1226
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: We are Switch that bitch from Switch Switch exactly, the

1227
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: bits with the switch. Yeah. No, I'm all of them.

1228
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: I'm I mean Power World. You know I'm gonna be

1229
01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: all over this ship for Fortnite. Hell yeah, man, Fortnite.

1230
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: Fortnite is scary to me because I feel like I

1231
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: just like go in and get shot in the head,

1232
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: like immediately. But if like that, there are all these

1233
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: very derivations like racing games and stuff like that is

1234
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: intriguing to me.

1235
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: You'll be like, Yeah, we'll be playing together and you're like,

1236
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: can we not do the battle? Can we just do

1237
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: like the the racing on the Good and.

1238
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: N You can't shoot me in this this is the

1239
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: racing one you said specifically, hell yeah, all right, that's

1240
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: gonna do it.

1241
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: For this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

1242
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: Please like and review the show if you like, The

1243
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: show means the world to Miles.

1244
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: He he needs your validation, folks.

1245
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

1246
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: talk to him Monday.

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Speaker 4: Bye, sing nothing,