Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own and look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yes, wow, lost culture ding
Speaker 1: d lost cultus is calling happy birthday to my sister,
Speaker 1: Thank you, my beloved. Thirty four What a bizarre age
Speaker 1: to turn. Yeah, what's thirty four?
Speaker 2: Giving?
Speaker 1: Thirty four is giving sort of neither here nor there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like I don't even
Speaker 1: know what to feel about it because you're not in
Speaker 1: your well. I guess I'm in my mid thirties. I'm
Speaker 1: in my mid thirties.
Speaker 2: By sure, I mean, watch Adele come out with her
Speaker 2: next album thirty four, then that number will mean something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then we'll know how to feel A don'ta to
Speaker 1: feel like remember Billie Eilish. There's so many incredible singers
Speaker 1: saying incredible things if you really just listen. And that's
Speaker 1: actually really coach are number ten. There's so many incredible
Speaker 1: singer singers saying incredible things if you really just listen.
Speaker 2: I I am just celebrating you. I celebrate you every day.
Speaker 2: I feel that from your sister, and I celebrate you
Speaker 2: as well. It is my number one joy in life
Speaker 2: watching you thrive, shine and conquer and more and more thrive,
Speaker 2: shine and more shine and more conquer.
Speaker 1: Let's not get dictatorish on them.
Speaker 2: Not in the year twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: No time, it's actually election day. I am stomping to
Speaker 1: the voting booth after this to cast my vote for
Speaker 1: Barbara Leaf for Senate Barbara, Miss Barbara Icon Progressive Champion,
Speaker 1: and we will do our best over here in California
Speaker 1: to vote. Are you voting in New York?
Speaker 2: No, it's not primary day in New York.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, I'm so California. I'm so l I only
Speaker 1: thinking about myself, Like if it's primary day for me,
Speaker 1: it must be primary day for everyone else. Shut up,
Speaker 1: matt Our.
Speaker 2: Primaries are not for president or not until April.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, I guess you guys vote in a
Speaker 1: presidential primary. I don't even know.
Speaker 2: Girl, girl, I'm just giving it up to God.
Speaker 1: I'm voting local, making that change, Thank you. Do you
Speaker 1: see Taylor put out her you know, once a term
Speaker 1: voting registration call to action? Did she wait, I have
Speaker 1: to see this.
Speaker 2: Which we blessed today in the Tortured Poets Department. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sort of aesthetic.
Speaker 1: Okay, so she let everyone know everyone vote also, like
Speaker 1: sort of still have an album coming out. No, don't
Speaker 1: forget that one.
Speaker 2: But bless for making those things converge, having those things
Speaker 2: happen at the same time. This is not me being snarky.
Speaker 2: Why would I be snarky.
Speaker 1: I don't think you have any reason to be not
Speaker 1: being as on top of the world as you are,
Speaker 1: having just fucked Sidney Sweeney and all.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I've shifted a little bit down
Speaker 2: on the Kinsey scale.
Speaker 1: No, Lie, you definitely seem straight to me. And I've
Speaker 1: been saying it for such a long time. Like my thing,
Speaker 1: like my Trader's moment right now is me saying I
Speaker 1: do think you're straight, bowing, and I think you've been
Speaker 1: straight this whole time, and I think that you're gay
Speaker 1: for clout, laughs and attention and attention first and foremost. Well,
Speaker 1: everything you do is for.
Speaker 2: You know what, the Mr Asians are right. There is
Speaker 2: a conspiracy in Hollywood for Asian men to be effeminates
Speaker 2: so that they can escape persecution. Because I'm never persecuted
Speaker 2: in my daily life as a gay.
Speaker 1: You persecuted. I really you're skating by I see you
Speaker 1: enjoying a life free of criticism and persecution. That makes
Speaker 1: so much sense. You're like Gilay in the woods safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they got her, so you're you're my charae,
Speaker 2: I'm Phedra. You're scharaping, like, look me in the eye.
Speaker 1: Whoa drag?
Speaker 2: My ass? That is not a drag. You know my
Speaker 2: feelings about Cherre Whitfield. I know you love ch I
Speaker 2: think she's one of our best housewives period ever.
Speaker 1: She definitely is pretty fabulous, one of our best. So
Speaker 1: let's talk traders, shall we.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Phaedra, they got you, Gal, they got you, They
Speaker 2: got you, and but you had a good run and
Speaker 2: you did what you set out to do, which is
Speaker 2: betray and make iconic television and check check we got both.
Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about When Alan asked her who
Speaker 1: she wanted to recruit, and she said.
Speaker 2: Kate and then she goes, will be a murdering dude.
Speaker 2: I was like, you did get enough pickup?
Speaker 1: No, it didn't get nearly enough pickup, especially for something
Speaker 1: that was such a scream.
Speaker 2: Kate be a murdering dude?
Speaker 1: I was like, are you She might be a super.
Speaker 2: Villain cast Phaedra in a Disney movie Pat Carrold.
Speaker 1: She would be a great evil queen.
Speaker 2: She would be a great evil queen, like I mean,
Speaker 2: and she's our generation's Pat Carroll. Make her and Ursula
Speaker 2: like villain.
Speaker 1: That's really good. Phaedra Parks is our generation's Pat Carroll.
Speaker 1: That's actually really culture in number thirty.
Speaker 2: Generation Carol Carol.
Speaker 1: Oh, now I'm picturing her doing for unfortunate souls one
Speaker 1: man in the pasty. Okay, they were kidding when they
Speaker 1: called me witch.
Speaker 2: Now tell us all about this. I still love that
Speaker 2: for you reading last night that you did. Oh, this
Speaker 2: was really fun, you guys. So last night in La well,
Speaker 2: Vanessa Bayer had reached out like like probably a couple
Speaker 2: months ago and was like, you know, there's a whole
Speaker 2: second season of I Love That for you that's written.
Speaker 1: You know, Sudie Green Gabe leadman, so many of our
Speaker 1: friends wrote on the second season of the show, and
Speaker 1: they were so excited about it, and it looked like
Speaker 1: it was going to get picked up and then it
Speaker 1: to strike. It wasn't everything going on in our industry
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So it's just like, I don't know
Speaker 1: where it stands right now. But Vanessa was like, we're
Speaker 1: all going to get together and just read the first
Speaker 1: two episodes of season two, the whole cast was there
Speaker 1: and they donated the money to charity and it was
Speaker 1: really fun. Kristin Johnston came in and played like a
Speaker 1: guest part that is maybe the funniest person.
Speaker 2: Alive, Like what a boka on stage?
Speaker 1: She is holy fuck, and like when I heard she
Speaker 1: was coming, I was like, you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if there was like a missing element from
Speaker 1: our show. Oh, that was so it and like it
Speaker 1: was so much fun when I tell you, like the
Speaker 1: cast crushed, because the writers crushed, like great audience. Everyone
Speaker 1: there loved the show and everyone involved in the show
Speaker 1: loves doing the show. So you never say never. It's
Speaker 1: one of those things. I was really excited about what
Speaker 1: my character was doing and like what everyone's doing. But
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things, you know, how it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say, like it's frustrating, Like the whole business
Speaker 1: is frustrating right now.
Speaker 2: The whole landscape is pretty rotten right now. It's true,
Speaker 2: it's pretty bleak, and I think an indicator of that
Speaker 2: is what this show means to people. And yet how
Speaker 2: it kind of it's living in this purgatory right now
Speaker 2: that it shouldn't be in at all.
Speaker 1: Well, this is my theory about it all. So I
Speaker 1: feel like people didn't really see it on showtime because
Speaker 1: it was a very crowded time, Like do you remember.
Speaker 1: It's so funny to think of a time when there
Speaker 1: was like so much shit coming out, but it was
Speaker 1: like two years ago. It was like for some reason,
Speaker 1: from like March to May, like every show came out. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: and we were part of that way. Remember we came
Speaker 1: out in like April or something. I think it was
Speaker 1: like there was an influx of things that came out
Speaker 1: before the Emmy's deadline, and I think we kind of
Speaker 1: got lost in that because you know, just to put
Speaker 1: it bluntly, like not everyone has showtime, it can be
Speaker 1: difficult to find, et cetera. And so it kind of
Speaker 1: got lost. And then it was like frustrating because I
Speaker 1: felt like in the months since it was out, people
Speaker 1: were finding it yeah, and they were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we just watched I love that for you, we love it.
Speaker 1: We binged it. I actually think it would have been
Speaker 1: a better binge show than it was like a week
Speaker 1: two weeks show.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: There was just so many things about it, like calls
Speaker 1: about it made that Obviously I have nothing to do
Speaker 1: with that. I think could have, you know, helped it.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, like it's so
Speaker 1: good and I just think, if anything, it should be
Speaker 1: somewhere for people to find it. And that shitty thing happened,
Speaker 1: which is that Showtime and I guess now Paramount Plus
Speaker 1: with Showtime or whatever the fuck it is took it
Speaker 1: down or you know, the big big big bosses. I guess,
Speaker 1: like did that text break thing about it? And now
Speaker 1: you can't even see it unless you buy it on iTunes,
Speaker 1: which I recommend everyone do. And I just hope the
Speaker 1: show gets put somewhere where people can find it, because
Speaker 1: if people can find it, they're gonna like it.
Speaker 2: Right well, guess what I'm doing right now. I am
Speaker 2: buying season one. You are I am going on my
Speaker 2: Apple TV and you.
Speaker 1: It's just such a funny show, you guys. It's Vanessa
Speaker 1: Bayer and Jennifer Lewis a great cast. I mean, like
Speaker 1: it's just so funny, like and I'll tell you this
Speaker 1: second season that we were reading yesterday was even funnier
Speaker 1: and like more compelling than the first season because they
Speaker 1: found a really interesting way to settle into the workplace
Speaker 1: dynamic of it all. For people that don't know the show,
Speaker 1: it's like Vanessa Bayer plays this girl who all she's
Speaker 1: ever wanted was to work at the home shopping network.
Speaker 1: When she was little, she had cancer, which is based
Speaker 1: on a true story from Vanessa's life, and she survived
Speaker 1: it by watching, like, you know, a home shopping network.
Speaker 1: And she gets old enough to audition for it, gets
Speaker 1: the job, and then fucks it up, and in order
Speaker 1: to keep her job and like prove to them she
Speaker 1: has like an on air hook and that she's a
Speaker 1: star and has star quality, she lies and so she's
Speaker 1: battling cancer now, so then she now she has to
Speaker 1: like keep this lie up.
Speaker 2: Kind of like me being gay on SNL.
Speaker 1: Exactly like you being gay, Like when did you know
Speaker 1: that it was time for you to come clean?
Speaker 2: I remember in my screen test my wrist kind of
Speaker 2: got really weak. God, I had a really limp wrist.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't for a character.
Speaker 1: I'm carrying on the prop bag. It was the prop bag.
Speaker 2: It was my prop. I had so many props. I
Speaker 2: had five Duffel bags of props. And you have heavy
Speaker 2: props too, oh, yeah, they're all kettlebells.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have kettlebell barista, and then I also have kettlebell
Speaker 2: Korean person, yell, Chinese person.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it was all my characters are very kettlebell based.
Speaker 2: And so I just lugged all of those bags onto
Speaker 2: the stage during my screen test and my risk got weak.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Lauren Michael's in the Shadows go flying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that Lauren laugh Yeah, and he was it
Speaker 1: was clear to you that he what he thought was
Speaker 1: so funny was that you were a big gig.
Speaker 2: G I think flipped yes, something flipped er. I was like,
Speaker 2: I guess I gotta be a fucking.
Speaker 1: Queer lean in like our fore mother Cheryl Samberg.
Speaker 2: Cheryl Sandberg. Now, I'm sorry I interrupted you talking about
Speaker 2: your a musician.
Speaker 1: I was kind of done. Watch I love that for you,
Speaker 1: however you can and if you love the show, stay
Speaker 1: in line, stay and like.
Speaker 2: Can I just quickly say something like Kristin Johnson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please, Oh, let's talk about.
Speaker 2: Our formative comedy moment in the Spy who Shagged Me?
Speaker 1: Oh, I forget it.
Speaker 2: Ivan a hump a lot was one of my first
Speaker 2: formative movie cry laughs. I was like Oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's the Ivana hump a lot was the funniest thing
Speaker 2: I'd ever seen or heard in my life up until
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 1: The keen intellect to play that.
Speaker 2: Line make love to me, power it.
Speaker 1: Lector powers me. And my cousin Michael, who I have
Speaker 1: referenced on this podcast, we were like little boys together,
Speaker 1: like watching this movie. We also saw me and girls together.
Speaker 1: That was our shit. I want a humple out was
Speaker 1: our Ivana avenge to get the clap up. In nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty four, Oh, just.
Speaker 2: Talking to our good friend Cameron Sheets, who was a
Speaker 2: queerity down Judy. Wait, would you say?
Speaker 1: I said, Judy, whenever you say a gay guy, we
Speaker 1: both know I'm gonna say, Judy.
Speaker 2: I'm just deciding it right now, Joe Kim Booster Judy.
Speaker 2: He was asking me, I'm promoting Hot White High season
Speaker 2: two on Audible. He goes, what makes a good sequel?
Speaker 2: I said, oh, I don't know well, and then we
Speaker 2: were talking about like what good sequels were, and then
Speaker 2: his example, his formative example was Austin Powers and the
Speaker 2: Spy who Shagny. That is like an actually great sequel,
Speaker 2: that is that is aware of like the already self
Speaker 2: referential first like original story, but also then kind of
Speaker 2: like plays with it in such a funny one.
Speaker 1: I mean, god, I love that movie so much. That's
Speaker 1: an interesting topic. What makes a really amazing sequel? Like
Speaker 1: what are the rubrics? Like, what are the benchmarks of
Speaker 1: a great sequel? I guess you want it to feel familiar, yeah,
Speaker 1: but also like we're seeing the characters challenged in a
Speaker 1: new way, and like I guess new environments make a
Speaker 1: good sequel.
Speaker 2: With Charlie's Angel's full throt all. That was just on
Speaker 2: the other day. Actually, Camp Classic. I hope everyone realizes
Speaker 2: now that it's camp Oh totally.
Speaker 1: I think people get it.
Speaker 2: Like these women swing from string lights all the way
Speaker 2: from Hollywood to a warehouse in downtown LA in a
Speaker 2: matter of minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do.
Speaker 2: In a car chase scene they go from Hollywood Boulevard
Speaker 2: two DT LA. Hell, yeah, lay as Camp Classic.
Speaker 1: I mean the other day I had it on for
Speaker 1: like a second, and it was the scene where they
Speaker 1: are like down at the beach and they're like surfing,
Speaker 1: and it's like to me, Moore like first comes in
Speaker 1: and she like runs over with her surfboard and.
Speaker 2: To surf a Girl by the Beach Boys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just all the choices are so it's almost
Speaker 1: like a cartoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 1: I think that people did not and then I remember
Speaker 1: the reviews were like, h we don't know, like it
Speaker 1: was bizarre, like it seemed like people got the first
Speaker 1: Charlie's Angels and then willfully didn't get the second one,
Speaker 1: as if it was anything different. It's like, right, it
Speaker 1: was just literally like a sequel version of the first one.
Speaker 1: They gave you more of what you had and also
Speaker 1: they plussed it with DEMI I guess that's what it is, right,
Speaker 1: Like a sequel should just be plussed in a way.
Speaker 2: But then people don't like that. An audience kind of
Speaker 2: like sneers at that idea, even though that is what
Speaker 2: you want. I think people's expectations if sequels are a
Speaker 2: little bit all over the place, and that's why, like
Speaker 2: there is this disagreement on what makes a good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably true.
Speaker 2: But that's my first example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. I mean, I guess if I
Speaker 1: had like a favorite sequel of all time, well, the
Speaker 1: Austin Powers movies are interesting because like all three of
Speaker 1: those I think are like identifiable in their own way.
Speaker 1: And maybe this is just me being a gay person
Speaker 1: and I, by the way, I'm for real gay, like so.
Speaker 2: Am I okay, okay, anyways, we can't get into this.
Speaker 2: Are you about to say gold Members your favorite?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying that, like the thing about the Austin
Speaker 1: Power trilogy is that they're also identifiable. And I think
Speaker 1: me because I'm a gay person, the thing that does
Speaker 1: that for me is like Austin's Girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Hurley, Phaogram and Beyonce, Like those three couldn't Those
Speaker 1: are so indicative of what all those movies are and
Speaker 1: they bring their own like flavor to it and aesthetic
Speaker 1: to it to the point where like you know, you
Speaker 1: think of Powers, but then he has context because of
Speaker 1: all these different women and then therefore these different like vibes.
Speaker 2: If you would, you know, Beyonce and Goldmember is so good.
Speaker 1: Producer Becca says Beyonce's acting era was so special. I
Speaker 1: love Goldmember. I don't think you're alone there, Becca, I
Speaker 1: think that we might not. We may not have seen
Speaker 1: the end of Beyonce's acting era. Yeah, I think this
Speaker 1: past tense is not quite right. I hope I pray,
Speaker 1: and I hope there's something about it that makes me
Speaker 1: feel like she at some point may realize if she
Speaker 1: actually applies herself to whatever she wants, she can conquer
Speaker 1: it orle domination. And it really just depends with Beyonce.
Speaker 1: I think on what she wants, like if she wants
Speaker 1: to become an incredible actress and then devote herself to
Speaker 1: that like she could. I don't put anything past her.
Speaker 1: I think she's capable of whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean. The Verizon commercial is something that she did
Speaker 2: not have to do. It was in her top five
Speaker 2: best performances. I think she was giving like grounded comedy.
Speaker 1: Dare I say she was holding her own with Emmy
Speaker 1: Award winner Tony Hale one of the greats.
Speaker 2: He is one of the greats.
Speaker 1: There's no question.
Speaker 2: There's just no question. We're not being facetious here.
Speaker 1: Can I say thank God for us because Pitsey what
Speaker 1: we're doing today character actors to the front. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: are saying Tony Hale, we are saying Kristin Johnson, we
Speaker 1: are saying Beyonce Knowles, the three character actors of our generation,
Speaker 1: and thank God on my birthday.
Speaker 2: A character actor. You think you're a character actor.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm a leading man.
Speaker 2: I think you're a leading man material Sir.
Speaker 1: Girl, you're just too kind, you're the leading man. No, girl,
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about you a lot lately because I've
Speaker 1: been trying to think of fun things for us to
Speaker 1: do in different environments.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, funny you should say that. Well more later maybe.
Speaker 1: Wait, So I do want to know about the Sydney
Speaker 1: Sweenie of it all, I really do.
Speaker 2: What was she like?
Speaker 1: But we're vibes. We're of course talking about these little
Speaker 1: bits and jokes were doing because Bowen is gay. You
Speaker 1: guys like, of course we would not lie to you
Speaker 1: about that. At least I wouldn't be part of all.
Speaker 1: I like that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: No, No, I wouldn't. I would never broke you into
Speaker 2: that kind of lie.
Speaker 1: Right like, you know, I could be the robinsoner Giselle
Speaker 1: in many ways, but not for this.
Speaker 2: Oh no, do not call me Giselle. I am not
Speaker 2: anywhere near that kind of demonic. She is a sucky beast.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. There is hell in her soul. Okay, sorry, keep.
Speaker 1: Going, Okay, Well, before we get into the Sidney Screenie
Speaker 1: of it all, so Potomac is like ending now, like
Speaker 1: it's like wrapping up. And Andy Cohn was on Kelly
Speaker 1: Clarkson with Wendy and Canvas.
Speaker 2: I watched that.
Speaker 1: It was delightful, and you know that had to chop
Speaker 1: the Green Eyed Bandits's ass because they were so charming.
Speaker 1: They were like Candace and Wendy were so great on
Speaker 1: the show, and I was just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: like maybe this is a sign this is the way forward.
Speaker 2: Though, I mean, like they are enough without those women
Speaker 2: to just like hold it down charm an audience. Candace
Speaker 2: had a lovely sense of humor about her social media presence. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Wendy was so lovely. Wendy was just being charming but
Speaker 2: also very honest about her upbringing, like in the way
Speaker 2: that she always is. I loved it. I root for
Speaker 2: those women all the time, as well as Karen.
Speaker 1: They were adorable. They were great. And guess who also
Speaker 1: was on? So it was like Andy was on Kelly
Speaker 1: and then he brought out Wendy and Candace and then
Speaker 1: tickle me till I laugh. Yesterday, I'm on YouTube and
Speaker 1: I see Karen Huger on Kelly Clarkson, and it was
Speaker 1: just Karen she came out, she sat right next to
Speaker 1: Kelly and make key keid. It's just so funny whenever
Speaker 1: like NBC Universal makes Kelly have a housewife on because
Speaker 1: you can tell she just doesn't there's no idea who
Speaker 1: it's not her thing, no problem whatever, But it's so
Speaker 1: funny because Karen was talking like everyone in the audience
Speaker 1: was a super fan of Potomac. Karen was like, well,
Speaker 1: you all know my kids are grown now, and you
Speaker 1: know they're thirty six and twenty six and you know Raven,
Speaker 1: and Kelly is just sitting there like.
Speaker 2: I might be to blame for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's just so funny, Like whenever Kelly, like
Speaker 1: you can just tell when she like is really really
Speaker 1: really a huge fan of something, and when she has
Speaker 1: no idea because she goes like this, when she's actually
Speaker 1: into something, she can barely contain herself and like launches
Speaker 1: into it and like doesn't ask like how are you,
Speaker 1: She's like, I want to talk about this, Dada. Yes.
Speaker 2: And then when she doesn't.
Speaker 1: Know what the person is there for or who they are,
Speaker 1: she'll say to Karen Hugre like, so I heard you
Speaker 1: grew up on a farm. That's so cool. Tell me
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: Listen, I would not be able to do that job.
Speaker 2: It's hard. Can we just give some credit? It's a
Speaker 2: very difficult, Like how do these people? People rattle off
Speaker 2: the segment producers notes, Okay, next you're gonna bring up
Speaker 2: the farm, and then you're gonna bring up the trip
Speaker 2: to blah blah blah. I'm like, yeah, you can't hold
Speaker 2: all this at once.
Speaker 1: And also, like I think about like the amount of
Speaker 1: things they probably are sent to watch, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we do this show once a week
Speaker 1: and barely have guests anymore, but.
Speaker 2: Like we still get sense stuff.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but like one of the things that like
Speaker 1: I think keeps us from having so many guests is
Speaker 1: like you want to do right by them, and like
Speaker 1: we always read the book We're Sonny houstin Coden, but
Speaker 1: it gets to be a lot even once, so we
Speaker 1: can you imagine every day. And also some of those
Speaker 1: shows get shot like two times a day. You know,
Speaker 1: that's like a lot of media to consume.
Speaker 2: What we're saying is TV hosts are heroes and they
Speaker 2: should be awarded medals by the military, which is the
Speaker 2: best organization in the world.
Speaker 1: They should win the Military Award for Excellence, Military Award
Speaker 1: for Excellence, and TV.
Speaker 2: New category to draw the Culture Wards Military Award for
Speaker 2: in TV. Now, stay tuned, we have some more information
Speaker 2: about the Culture Awards this year. Yes, we do very excited.
Speaker 1: We do. Let's just say, rain, rain, go away, come
Speaker 1: again another day.
Speaker 2: Let's just say we won't have to worry about a
Speaker 2: thunderstorm morning in New Jersey that would potentially shut down
Speaker 2: our show.
Speaker 1: Did we spill the tea about that at the time.
Speaker 1: I think we did.
Speaker 2: I think we did. Yeah, we almost didn't do Culture
Speaker 2: Awards last year because of a thunderstorm in New Jersey,
Speaker 2: which is not in Manhattan. But also I guess it's
Speaker 2: close enough. People were doing their jobs, people were keeping
Speaker 2: people safe. We're not begrudging them with that.
Speaker 1: No, it was it was all above board in terms
Speaker 1: of them being like, hey, we have to go inside
Speaker 1: because if lightning strikes the stage, like y'all are fried
Speaker 1: to a damn crisp, you're gonna be two.
Speaker 2: Gay piles of dust, period.
Speaker 1: Gay piles of dust.
Speaker 2: Gay piles of dust title.
Speaker 1: But what was funny was we were in the middle
Speaker 1: of rehearsing Eighth World Wonder like the Seven Days and
Speaker 1: seven nights. Then they're like the inside you're gonna get
Speaker 1: hurt by lightning, and we're like, oh my god, seriously,
Speaker 1: day like the spirits of Kimberly lock like rumbling in.
Speaker 2: The sky is like, whoa Kimberly.
Speaker 1: We think.
Speaker 2: I think Kimberly saved us that day.
Speaker 1: She did? She did. I think the gods knew that
Speaker 1: Eighth World Wonder needed its renaissance period.
Speaker 2: But then what do you make of the Karen and
Speaker 2: Wendy and Candice on Kelly thing? Does that mean they're
Speaker 2: gonna bring I think Gizelle and Robin are probably yelling
Speaker 2: at someone now at their teams to get them home.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say the tea that I heard, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the tea that I heard. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say how I heard it. Okay, I heard there was
Speaker 1: no resolution at the reunion and there needed to be
Speaker 1: That's what I heard. I heard that there is no
Speaker 1: forward movement for the factions that needed to come together,
Speaker 1: and therefore something has to happen. That's that's the tea
Speaker 1: that I heard.
Speaker 2: Right, and so in that when I hear that, I go, well,
Speaker 2: then someone is misunderstanding what it means to be on
Speaker 2: a show, on the show, on a conflict driven show
Speaker 2: like The Housewives, where you do have to sort of
Speaker 2: turn those over.
Speaker 1: You cannot stay in it too long or it just
Speaker 1: got too fucking ugly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like because it was ugly to begin with, because these
Speaker 2: are we're dealing with ugly people. On one side.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say, even if I'm on a television show,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I go out of my way
Speaker 1: to forgive someone who's so recklessly And this is both
Speaker 1: on the part of Wendy and Candice because they both
Speaker 1: face this by Giselle and co. But anyone who so
Speaker 1: recklessly tried to not just like come for but like
Speaker 1: irrevocably damage my husband or mother in the case of
Speaker 1: like Wendy, like, I don't know that I just for
Speaker 1: a show forgive them, whereas I don't think when you
Speaker 1: flip it around to the other side of the things
Speaker 1: that have been said about like Giselle and Robin like
Speaker 1: are as imaging and bad. But what Giselle is doing
Speaker 1: now is she's trying to play it like she's been
Speaker 1: wronged in an equal way and that's incorrect.
Speaker 2: No fucking way. Oh god, I really really hate that woman.
Speaker 2: I don't apply it to a lot of people. I
Speaker 2: don't hate people that I come into conflict with.
Speaker 1: M M. You just couldn't be bothered.
Speaker 2: I couldn't be bothered, and I honestly do try to
Speaker 2: like make I do what every housewives should do, which
Speaker 2: is to try to find resolution. Period.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know. I mean while we're I guess
Speaker 1: we kind of can't really talk. Can we talk about
Speaker 1: the drama? There's been a lot of drama.
Speaker 2: Can you I know about the brand new stuff? I honestly,
Speaker 2: I was asked. I was honestly asked about this yesterday
Speaker 2: in press about the least Stuff, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is the God's honest truth. I was like, I
Speaker 2: did not read the post. I don't exactly know what's
Speaker 2: going on with the Least Stuff to have an opinion
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: There's like a series of lawsuits right now against Bravo
Speaker 1: and like all these production companies and even Andy himself,
Speaker 1: basically coming from all different kinds of places. There's like
Speaker 1: a legal situation with Liam McSweeney. There's a legal situation
Speaker 1: with Brandy Glanville, there's a legal situation with Caroline Manzo.
Speaker 1: There's now a lawsuit from Rachel Levis against Tom Sandoval
Speaker 1: and Arian Maddox for revenge porn and like distribution of
Speaker 1: revenge porn. There's also, obviously, like the Bethany Frankel reality
Speaker 1: reckoning of it all, there was the dropped lawsuit from
Speaker 1: Nini Leaks that allege racial discrimination. There's a lot yeah
Speaker 1: going on. And what I'll say is that any single time,
Speaker 1: and I'll speak for myself, any single time I have
Speaker 1: been on Watch What Happens Live involved in anything with
Speaker 1: any of these companies, like when you go and watch
Speaker 1: It Happens Live. Like there's obviously alcohol, right, that's like
Speaker 1: part of it. You are asked every time if you
Speaker 1: want to drink, if you'd like another drink, you say
Speaker 1: yes or no. They're not like, oh, it's better if
Speaker 1: you drink. They never say that. They never make it
Speaker 1: seem like you have to do anything. We're friends with
Speaker 1: Andy personally, I have never ever ever been offering anything
Speaker 1: like drugs, Like it's getting crazy to me. And a
Speaker 1: lot of hearsay like her alleging that Liam McSweeney alleges
Speaker 1: that Andy Cohen offers cocaine to housewives and then yeah,
Speaker 1: gives them a better edit if they do it. That
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, And I will say for myself
Speaker 2: the Brandy thing, I'm like reading the details and it
Speaker 2: seems like it seems really weird in illegal context. How
Speaker 2: much that holds water? Yeah, because from what I understand,
Speaker 2: Brandy is saying that this is sexual harassment that Andy
Speaker 2: was like jokingly on a FaceTime with her with Kate Kchestain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, k chesting, what is it like being like I
Speaker 1: think what they're saying is that I guess Andy and
Speaker 1: Kate Chastain either facetimed Brandy or send her a message.
Speaker 1: And Andy said in the message like Kate and I
Speaker 1: are having sex tonight and we'll be thinking of you.
Speaker 1: It's something like that, like some sort of like joke
Speaker 1: that yes, obviously a boss should not make to his employees.
Speaker 2: Certainly right, And.
Speaker 1: I guess like it is a little bit of like
Speaker 1: a looser atmosphere because he does play a certain and
Speaker 1: interesting role in that he is like administrative but also
Speaker 1: like of the people in a way. That's like why
Speaker 1: they love Andy, like, you know, he is among them, right,
Speaker 1: But at a certain point, it's like, when are we
Speaker 1: leaning into just things we've had in the past in
Speaker 1: order to move anything forward and what is actually harmful here?
Speaker 1: And let me also say, I don't want any of
Speaker 1: these women to be in situations where they feel uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: this low, where they feel uncomfortable, where they feel pressured,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And I don't know the situations that happen,
Speaker 1: but it's true what you're saying, Like when you read
Speaker 1: like what is actually in these lawsuits, I'm actually I'm
Speaker 1: struggling to see how like he is responsible for it
Speaker 1: or like how But I guess these facts will come
Speaker 1: out if there are facts, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, But Brandy is an interesting case, not even interesting.
Speaker 2: It's like she's on camera like yeah, sexually, being a
Speaker 2: little bit troublesome with her co stars.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like there's documented I mean, like there's a case
Speaker 2: against her for being very inappropriate with her coworkers, who
Speaker 2: have not taken legal action against her. Yeah, the power
Speaker 2: dynamic is different. They're obviously because she's not anyone's boss
Speaker 2: in these situations. And Andy is also I don't know
Speaker 2: personally and I have no legal knowledge or experience in
Speaker 2: this at all, so this is completely disqualifying for me
Speaker 2: to even have an opinion on this. But like it's Brandy.
Speaker 2: It's like, this is someone who is retaliatory and manipulative,
Speaker 2: and obviously she has her dignity, she's entitled to that dignity,
Speaker 2: but she is also someone who doesn't care about other
Speaker 2: people's in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like what's happening now, actually is everyone
Speaker 1: on the cast of this Ultimate Girl's Trip show that
Speaker 1: got shelved because they've shot a whole season in Morocco,
Speaker 1: right with like Caroline Manzeou, Brandy Glenville, phaedra Is on it,
Speaker 1: Alex McCord, Camille Grammer, like Gretchen ROSSI like, it's like
Speaker 1: they kind of got the greats for this Morocco Girls
Speaker 1: Trip and now they're not showing it because allegedly something
Speaker 1: happened in a bathroom where Caroline Manziel felt sexually violated
Speaker 1: and harassed by Brandy Brandy, But Caroline is not suing her,
Speaker 1: She's suing Bravo Peacock. I think, like all these administrative
Speaker 1: executive level because she's saying that what they do is
Speaker 1: they encourage sexual harassment and abuse for ratings, which to
Speaker 1: me is like such a big thing to say, and
Speaker 1: like how do you prove that? But I will also
Speaker 1: say four or five lawsuits is too fucking many. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that makes me feel like either there's a problem
Speaker 1: for sure, or this is like orchestrated in a larger
Speaker 1: way and is like more nefarious. And I do I
Speaker 1: think to myself all the time, like are you trying
Speaker 1: to protect this thing in your head because it's something
Speaker 1: you enjoy, in which case, like get over yourself, check yourself,
Speaker 1: Like if there's a problem here, like see it. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to read these allegations and be
Speaker 1: like at what point does your personal responsibility come in here? Like,
Speaker 1: at what point are you going to take accountability for
Speaker 1: I have a problem with alcohol. I know I'm susceptible
Speaker 1: to these types of things. I shouldn't put myself in
Speaker 1: a situation that is not good for me. At what
Speaker 1: point is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And the Leah thing is very complicated because of
Speaker 2: her own sobriety journey, right, that kind of seemed to
Speaker 2: be compromised as soon as she was on Ronie Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, she claims that she relapsed the week she
Speaker 1: was called So she relapsed was called for? Ronnie said yes?
Speaker 1: And then, as we know, if you're a fan of
Speaker 1: her first season, she was drinking. And I remember what
Speaker 1: I liked about Leah McSweeney the first season she was
Speaker 1: on Housewives Is. I liked that she seemed like a
Speaker 1: different flavor of New Yorker. She seemed like someone who,
Speaker 1: like said whatever the fuck she wanted to say. She
Speaker 1: was younger, she seemed like a new generation. I liked
Speaker 1: the dichotomy between her and the older cast. Like. I
Speaker 1: liked that she was in fashion. She was cool, she
Speaker 1: was gorgeous, she was funny, Like there was a lot
Speaker 1: about her that I really liked and felt fresh. When
Speaker 1: I didn't like her was when she acted completely unhinged
Speaker 1: when she was drunk, because she obviously had a problem.
Speaker 1: She's out here saying now that she feels that was
Speaker 1: what was good about her first season, and they held
Speaker 1: it against her that she stopped drinking. I would argue
Speaker 1: that Leo lost me when she went off the door,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people would say the
Speaker 1: same thing, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, we obviously have our biases here as we're
Speaker 2: talking about this in our experience with the Bravo verse
Speaker 2: and our experiences at watch, what happens in terms of
Speaker 2: us being served alcohol is not necessarily I can't be
Speaker 2: too same reflective of what these women go through, right,
Speaker 2: I am thinking, like I do kind of think there's
Speaker 2: something orchestrated about this on like a higher level, where
Speaker 2: like maybe a Bethany is like that's when I think,
Speaker 2: so setting this into motion.
Speaker 1: Personally, there's something weird about it because it's coming on
Speaker 1: the heels of like the reality reckoning kind of flopping
Speaker 1: because they she kind of had nothing, whereas like now
Speaker 1: there's actually there's like real course of action, it's going
Speaker 1: to be followed. What I'll say ultimately is that all
Speaker 1: these lawsuits kind of drown each other out, but ultimately
Speaker 1: it's it all ends up in something that's like not
Speaker 1: a good look of course, and therefore like it needs
Speaker 1: to be looked at, It needs to be like figured out,
Speaker 1: because you just don't want people feeling like this, And
Speaker 1: if people feel like this and it's not in bad faith,
Speaker 1: then there's an issue. But like I just want to
Speaker 1: be able to watch these shows and know that everyone's
Speaker 1: safe doing it. But then again, it is reality TV,
Speaker 1: and that is also a thing. It's like, can you
Speaker 1: trust someone like Rachel Levis to put herself in a
Speaker 1: safe situation? I don't know, Like she may not know
Speaker 1: what that is, and therefore it's like it does feel
Speaker 1: a little ugly. And one thing I'll say is I
Speaker 1: was watching the Beverly Hills reunion last week week and
Speaker 1: Anna Marie, who I didn't love on the show, but
Speaker 1: was sitting there and she was talking about how, as
Speaker 1: a result of being on the show, it was the
Speaker 1: worst hardest year of her life, and you know, so
Speaker 1: many things happened, and she felt like really depleted and
Speaker 1: looked broken, and he asked about the online reaction to her,
Speaker 1: and something about the way that she energetically was at
Speaker 1: that reunion based around like the online harassment she had
Speaker 1: faced made me feel like something's wrong here, something doesn't
Speaker 1: feel right. Yeah, Like I felt really sad, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, am, I gonna have to take a
Speaker 1: little bit of a break from this stuff. Because I
Speaker 1: also saw what you posted yesterday on your story and
Speaker 1: that made me think too about how when you talk
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: I posted a real from podcast to Luxe Wonderful Podcast.
Speaker 2: John Karamonica was talking about how like he is not
Speaker 2: really okay with TikTok anymore because it's like to be
Speaker 2: served an endless scroll of things that the algorithm things
Speaker 2: you like, is like soul deadening. It's like it's not
Speaker 2: actually giving you the grist, I guess or whatever, there's
Speaker 2: a better word. It's not giving you the material you
Speaker 2: need to be consuming in order to be a human being.
Speaker 2: Like it's it kills a part of you to only
Speaker 2: see things constantly over and over again that like are
Speaker 2: meant to be for you and yet sometimes aren't and
Speaker 2: sometimes they're upsetting and sometimes that's I mean, like that's
Speaker 2: just like social media rit small I guess is like
Speaker 2: this idea that it is. I mean, all these apps
Speaker 2: that we're using now this is not exactly what you're
Speaker 2: talking about with Housewives and Bravo, but it's like everything
Speaker 2: we're being served now is like it's like we're at
Speaker 2: the shopping mall. It's like yeah, and a lot of
Speaker 2: people who our creators do come off as like QVC
Speaker 2: people speaking of I Love that for you like come
Speaker 2: off as like infomercially and like you kind of have
Speaker 2: to rethink this whole thing of like, oh, I am
Speaker 2: just it's like Sudie Green telling you in college, like
Speaker 2: look at the PEPs look at the coke cans or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, but it's like now the pepsi cans are
Speaker 2: like right in our faces. You know, they're being shoved
Speaker 2: in our faces. And that's how like transparent it's gotten.
Speaker 1: I think what makes it hard to see is that
Speaker 1: the pepsi cans are always in your faces, and sometimes
Speaker 1: they change and sometimes it's it's just hard to look
Speaker 1: at your environment and be like wait, hold on. And
Speaker 1: I think like it was during that Beverly Hills reunion
Speaker 1: that I was just like, hold on, am I desensitized
Speaker 1: a little bit because I keep watching these shows and
Speaker 1: I'm so used to conflict. That's like white noise for
Speaker 1: me in the background?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, would I even be able to see
Speaker 1: it if something was wrong? And I was sitting there
Speaker 1: watching her and I was like, again, like I wasn't
Speaker 1: a huge fan of her performance on the first season,
Speaker 1: but I'm watching it and I'm just like, am I
Speaker 1: in this atmosphere too much at this point? Like is
Speaker 1: it a little oversaturated? Like did we fly too close
Speaker 1: to the sun with this for now, and so I
Speaker 1: might just.
Speaker 2: Like take a little bit of a brushure, which is health.
Speaker 1: Even listening to myself talk right now, I'm like hearing
Speaker 1: myself say like you know, like you know, we don't
Speaker 1: want these women to be in dangerous positions, but also
Speaker 1: like I don't want to get like what did they
Speaker 1: expect like that that's great?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, we're not saying that. And us even
Speaker 2: talking about this is a little is not us like
Speaker 2: questioning like anything about what legal action they're taking. We're
Speaker 2: just saying that, like this is a really this is
Speaker 2: a hugely entangled situation that has a lot going on
Speaker 2: and has people's humanity and dignity like ripped into it.
Speaker 2: And like are these kinds of shows Like I think knowingly,
Speaker 2: I think we all understand that these shows kind of
Speaker 2: exploit that on the right level. And that's not like
Speaker 2: us like defying whatever the mission of these shows are.
Speaker 2: I think that is just kind of worked into like
Speaker 2: reality TV as a whole, as a collective, Like even
Speaker 2: if you go on Survivor or on The Traders, there's
Speaker 2: there's a dignity that is that is a little bit
Speaker 2: at toll there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean if someone were to say something crazy
Speaker 1: about you and it was damaging but could also be
Speaker 1: used as story. Like they would do that because you've
Speaker 1: allowed them to do that. You've willfully signed up for that,
Speaker 1: which is why, like you wouldn't do a show like
Speaker 1: that because like, for example, like let's just say Bowen
Speaker 1: and I actually were reached out to about the traders, Like,
Speaker 1: would it be in our best interest to say, yes,
Speaker 1: here are our images, do with them what you want. Huh, No,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be in our best interest. But for some
Speaker 1: people they make a different decision.
Speaker 2: Like I've even had pretty brain scrambling experience is working
Speaker 2: at my job where I am like presenting a version
Speaker 2: of myself to people to be evaluated and to be
Speaker 2: like commented on, and like I roll at this, but
Speaker 2: like I'm really lucky and proud and happy that Bowen
Speaker 2: Straight got made as a way of sort of like
Speaker 2: winking at the audience and as a way of kind
Speaker 2: of like making light of this, like this really confounding
Speaker 2: thing that I think people have with me being a
Speaker 2: gay man, like them kind of ascribing it as like
Speaker 2: a character choice that like it's all I can do,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, you guys don't get it. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think there's such a thing as like a
Speaker 2: gay humor. I don't think there's Like I don't think
Speaker 2: gay humor is specific to queer people or queer human
Speaker 2: specific queer people. It should be if it's good, it
Speaker 2: should be for everybody. But I think in terms of
Speaker 2: subject matter, I love writing about queer things, and I
Speaker 2: like writing about sexuality. I like writing about finding the
Speaker 2: different ways in, Like it's Truman Capoti being a gay
Speaker 2: man who hates women talking about women, or it's me
Speaker 2: being straight, or it's me being like a Pops star Iceberg. Whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like there are all these different ways in, and
Speaker 2: yet people still create a dimensionless point out of that
Speaker 2: and go, well, that's just like a bad part of
Speaker 2: who he is, And like that is something that like
Speaker 2: is completely soul crushing in its own way if you're
Speaker 2: any version of yourself on a TV show or like
Speaker 2: putting out yourself out there from mass consumption, and like
Speaker 2: these women experience it on such a weird distorted scale,
Speaker 2: Like anytime we go and watch what happens, we're all
Speaker 2: like WHOA, Like, yeah, the people who like talk about
Speaker 2: us are some real fucking weirdos. I'm sorry to say,
Speaker 2: some weird fucking people are out there and we just
Speaker 2: deal with them like once every few months. These are
Speaker 2: people who do with them every day, every week, right,
Speaker 2: And I can't imagine what that does to their psyche
Speaker 2: and or how that informs their relationship with the network
Speaker 2: or with the shows that they're on, with their jobs,
Speaker 2: with their life. I mean, like what I said yesterday
Speaker 2: and Press was like all I can say is like,
Speaker 2: let's not forget that this is people's jobs and this
Speaker 2: kind of like is in the air for them. So
Speaker 2: I don't really know exactly what's happening with everybody, but
Speaker 2: it seems like let's just remember that as we talk
Speaker 2: about it. Anyway, That was kind of a good job
Speaker 2: out answer.
Speaker 1: But I will say I do feel that if Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen were to offer two people cocaine, it would be us,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't. I was thinking about it, how I'm like,
Speaker 1: we have such a blast at that show, like whenever
Speaker 1: we're on it feels like family vibes like, and then
Speaker 1: I just feel like, who's the offering cocaine to if
Speaker 1: not us? Right? Right? Right? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, hell drum. Also, if you've been offered cocaine. Oh,
Speaker 2: but Lias saying like she's been offered cocaine and.
Speaker 1: This doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: Well, Lias saying that she's been offered cocaine and that
Speaker 2: if she doesn't accept then she gets worse.
Speaker 1: Edit on the show. That is can I say I
Speaker 1: like Leah. I've talked to her a couple of times personally.
Speaker 1: I actually like her a lot more in my personal
Speaker 1: interactions with her than I ever really did on the show.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that could possibly make sense at
Speaker 1: all to think. So what if we're walking this through
Speaker 1: this is the I guess premise here. Andy Cohen loves
Speaker 1: cocaine so much, you're saying, and needs people around him
Speaker 1: that are his subordinates to also like cocaine so much
Speaker 1: that if they don't, he actively punishes them, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that maybe that won't produce the best show. That
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. I also don't think
Speaker 1: he is editing the show. He's not contacting the editors
Speaker 1: and being like, hey, listen, we need so and so
Speaker 1: to get a bad edit. Oh, why well, they didn't
Speaker 1: do coke with me. That doesn't make any sense. Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen is the kind of person. He's wealthy enough, he's
Speaker 1: connected enough, he can get coke, he can find people
Speaker 1: to do coke with. He doesn't need your housewives to
Speaker 1: be doing cocaine with him, and he's not gonna punish
Speaker 1: you for not doing it. I don't think this is
Speaker 1: a thing. It just doesn't actually make sense.
Speaker 2: Understand the idea that, like, she feels that cocaine is
Speaker 2: very much in the culture of these shows on a
Speaker 2: sort of behind the scenes level, but like, I don't know, it.
Speaker 1: Calls back to that Kathy Griffin thing, because remember she
Speaker 1: was like, oh, one time he asked me to do
Speaker 1: coke before a show, and I was so taken aback,
Speaker 1: and it was like so that it feels like it's
Speaker 1: been said once before, but it almost feels like because
Speaker 1: it was said that one time, it's being thrown out
Speaker 1: there again as like an additive thing to throw on
Speaker 1: the pile of like toxic workplace atmosphere. Right, But again,
Speaker 1: like when you actually think it through logically, that doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. Yeah, and cocaine is everywhere.
Speaker 2: Everyone take a break from cocaine for a little bit too, Well, Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's just nobody do it. How about that.
Speaker 1: Let's tell me it's not about drag race. So you like,
Speaker 1: what do I like?
Speaker 2: Yeahe No, I think I've gone on record saying I'm
Speaker 2: pretty anti Plain Jane. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I like Plain Jane as a drag queen. It's just
Speaker 1: all the other stuff. I'm like, girl, relaxed.
Speaker 2: Lovely drag queen, very capable drag queen. Relax, just relax
Speaker 2: And actually you're just being mean and not even like
Speaker 2: this is not the right word, and I hate the
Speaker 2: name using this word. You're not being witty, which is
Speaker 2: to say that, like, you're not being fun about it.
Speaker 2: She thinks she is, and I think that that's all
Speaker 2: coming from an insecurity that she's expressed that she has
Speaker 2: which join the fucking club of humanity. Like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: might do my own think some honey on people saying
Speaker 2: they're insecure and feeling that is unique, like we're all insecure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I was a vicious evil person. I'm just insecure. Sorry.
Speaker 2: I was a vicious evil person who like diminished your
Speaker 2: humanity because I experienced something universal that doesn't give you
Speaker 2: a way out anyway. I mean, the Boston thing the
Speaker 2: Russian thing. I know Katia is not Russian, but like
Speaker 2: it's just I'm sorry, like I can't. It's only giving
Speaker 2: an echo of Katya to me, and she is one
Speaker 2: of our greatest ever, our greatest period e ever. I
Speaker 2: don't think that Snatch game performance was that, although I
Speaker 2: guess it was the best out of all of them.
Speaker 2: That was a pretty rough Snatch game, I will.
Speaker 1: Say, yeah, I don't think it was one of the
Speaker 1: shining Snatch games.
Speaker 2: And we're saying this as people who are at this point,
Speaker 2: we are aware every season going into Snatch Game, the
Speaker 2: expectations are not high. Yeah, because that's what Snatch game
Speaker 2: does is it makes it gets you all excited to like,
Speaker 2: but it's I mean, not all of them can be
Speaker 2: like All Star seven like where that was just like
Speaker 2: across the board, everyone being amazing.
Speaker 1: We've also seen how the sausage is made now and
Speaker 1: it's like interesting to see how Snatch game shakes out,
Speaker 1: and it's fucking hard. It's so hard, and especially if
Speaker 1: that's not what your thing is, I don't know that
Speaker 1: I could do it, like, and it feels like that
Speaker 1: these girls like that's not really their thing. Like everyone's
Speaker 1: like Oh, I can't believe a third design challenge. It's like,
Speaker 1: did you want a third performance challenge? Is that what
Speaker 1: you wanted? Like, based on what we have seen, right,
Speaker 1: did you want another performance or active challenge or whatever
Speaker 1: it is? Like, I think it's good. They're obviously leaning
Speaker 1: into like what these girls are good at, and we
Speaker 1: saw Plasma like whin all these performance challenges and do great,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we've seen the excellence in terms
Speaker 1: of performance. I think we've seen and now it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're looking at what we have here and
Speaker 1: it's like, I think the more compelling challenges will be
Speaker 1: designed and fashion challenges because of these girls.
Speaker 2: Interesting. I said to you yesterday on Instagram or the
Speaker 2: other day two days ago on our live that Plasma
Speaker 2: I think should be so proud. She Yeah, turned it out.
Speaker 2: She showcased what she is amazing at and she is
Speaker 2: amazing at it, which is all the performance stuff. Gave
Speaker 2: like a fresh, updated version of like what a vintage
Speaker 2: queen quote unquote is like, was giving you drinks kind
Speaker 2: of in an updated way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed her. Best of luckt her she will
Speaker 2: be fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was definitely in the bottom two and lost
Speaker 1: the lips in for sure. Yeah, I mean, so people
Speaker 1: being like I can't believe Plasma is out. It's like, guys,
Speaker 1: like she was for sure in the bottom two and
Speaker 1: she lost the lipsying. Yes, that's how it works.
Speaker 2: I think we were just like conditioned in the edit
Speaker 2: to think that she was gonna be top four because
Speaker 2: she was such she was by far the most reliable narrator.
Speaker 2: They were cutting to her talking head the most.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely, I will say I
Speaker 1: think that's because there are only a few super compelling narrators, yes,
Speaker 1: this year. I think she's one of them, and Plain
Speaker 1: Jane is one of them. And I think Plain and
Speaker 1: Jane's edit really kind of took over the first third
Speaker 1: of the season, and so they moved it to Plasma
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with her, and now she's gone.
Speaker 1: So I think we're gonna be seeing a lot more
Speaker 1: of Plane again because again, these girls are like introspective
Speaker 1: fashion girls. Like it's it's it's almost like Season seven
Speaker 1: in a way, you know what I mean. Like it's
Speaker 1: like it feels like these people are more creative than
Speaker 1: they are performative, which is so funny. I want to
Speaker 1: know what you think about because everyone was talking about
Speaker 1: how this goth high fashion Goth challenge, the design Challenge.
Speaker 1: People were like pretty up in arms on a couple
Speaker 1: group chats. I was on that Nimphia didn't win that,
Speaker 1: and I was interested about your take on the Nymphia
Speaker 1: versus Q of it.
Speaker 2: All I think was this Q's second win. I think
Speaker 2: has Ninfhia already won too. I think that that's just
Speaker 2: like a production thing where they're like, let's try to
Speaker 2: make this more even. I liked C's look a lot,
Speaker 2: like that back detail was great.
Speaker 1: I thought it was definitely the Winter hands down.
Speaker 2: I thought, so what ces? Yeah, yeah, Now, Q like
Speaker 2: took down her socials, which I guess is not as
Speaker 2: much of like a that's insane, but also like I
Speaker 2: can relate to this, like at a certain point, you
Speaker 2: just hit, you hit your break and you're just like
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Oh, not that she took it down, that she felt
Speaker 1: so abused or like exposed that she had to take it.
Speaker 2: Down, Like right, right, I've only taken my stuff down.
Speaker 2: I've only Selena Gomaz when I'm just like oh, I
Speaker 2: internally it's not because of any external circumstance. It's just
Speaker 2: that I'm like, I don't want to deal with this.
Speaker 1: I don't want to exist out there for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And maybe she was going through
Speaker 2: some of that. I don't know sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever anyone feels like they need to do,
Speaker 1: they should do. But I just feel like when I
Speaker 1: hear that someone had to do that, I would imagine
Speaker 1: it's because they're being like toxically abused online, which.
Speaker 2: Especially on drag Race, which is another thing of like,
Speaker 2: oh god, Like when we were on All Stars, it
Speaker 2: was this like a few days of just like the
Speaker 2: weirdest fucking people being like up in our shit, and
Speaker 2: I was like, shut the fuck up, get out of
Speaker 2: my face. I'm so sick of some of these people.
Speaker 1: Most of it was lovely, and most of it always
Speaker 1: is lotally, and then there is those little things like even.
Speaker 3: The other day, like someone got in my DMS and
Speaker 3: said this long thing that like they were so specifically
Speaker 3: angry at me for something they had no idea what
Speaker 3: they were talking about.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, ugh. I was at dinner with
Speaker 1: a friend. I was with Jared actually, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I'm so distracted by this thing, and he's
Speaker 1: like and he picks up my phone and he's like,
Speaker 1: this is not real. This doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you need to watch Perfect Blue
Speaker 2: by Satasha Khan tonight.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot on my list, Honey, I gotta
Speaker 1: watch Irish Wish, the movie with Lindsay Lohan.
Speaker 2: Oh my Lindsay, Oh my Lindsay, Oh my Lindsay. She's
Speaker 2: back again.
Speaker 1: Whenever Lindsay Lohan makes a comeback, I always feel like
Speaker 1: on top of the world, on.
Speaker 2: Top of the world. You know, Lindsay is on my
Speaker 2: list of This is so annoying of women I stand
Speaker 2: who have followed and then unfollowed me on Instagram. Really
Speaker 2: you want to know this list. It's kind of sad.
Speaker 2: Lindsay Lohan, Natalie Portman. Natalie unfollowed Natalie. I think she
Speaker 2: did like a big purge, like a deep clean on
Speaker 2: her follow and I didn't. I didn't make the cut,
Speaker 2: she said, Yang, but Natalie was.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Natalie was a reliable like for me sometimes on Grid
Speaker 2: really and then she just and then one day I
Speaker 2: think she was just like, no, no more.
Speaker 1: Natalie Portman feels to me like someone we could get
Speaker 1: on the show and confront about this.
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to confront her. I want to leave.
Speaker 1: When she follows one hundred and ninety nine people, I know.
Speaker 2: I think she did, like take the numbers down. I
Speaker 2: think she was like in the four digits and then
Speaker 2: she was like no, no, no, no, no, I'm Natalie Portman.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: Here's what we both follow Rihanna.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that's that period end of list.
Speaker 1: Like Rihanna, and then I think it's like Drew Barrymore
Speaker 1: of course. Oh my god. Yeah, she's an exclusive girl.
Speaker 1: I mean Natalie Horman should be because it Natalie missed your
Speaker 1: for Christ's sakes, she's podme.
Speaker 2: Pod me. Yes, I was gonna correct and say pad ma,
Speaker 2: but no, you're right. Why what did you correct me
Speaker 2: and say podma when it's not? When it's not I
Speaker 2: was gonna say earlier. I mean, best of all time
Speaker 2: is Empire strikes back, Attack of the Clones, Attack with
Speaker 2: the Clones. I mean those aliens for Boba fat? Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: was it Boba boba? Those tall skinny aliens who like
Speaker 2: introduce some obi wan to Boba fat.
Speaker 1: You are talking right now, and I'm ready to do
Speaker 1: my own't think Sahney, Okay.
Speaker 2: This is I don't think so honey, where we take
Speaker 2: one minute to go off against something in culture that's
Speaker 2: really chopping our asses. Matt, are you ready? Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many time starts down.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Boba fet You're a fucking bitch.
Speaker 1: You have no friends. You obviously never went to therapy.
Speaker 1: You didn't get your fucking stuff together. Because now while
Speaker 1: you're out here like what I'm working for people doing
Speaker 1: their dirty work to be a bounty hunter. I hope
Speaker 1: that you look at your fucking CV, your LinkedIn, you
Speaker 1: see bounty hunter on it and you feel fucking good
Speaker 1: at night. Bitch, you are so lame, what toxic, disgusting
Speaker 1: life that you live, trolling the galaxy looking space planet
Speaker 1: to space planet for like what to arrest people doing
Speaker 1: citizen to arrest on people? You don't even know what
Speaker 1: these people have done. You have no idea why you
Speaker 1: want Han Solo. You don't even know why you want him,
Speaker 1: So why are you ruining lives?
Speaker 2: Why are you ruining a young.
Speaker 1: Relationship just for someone else's bullshit?
Speaker 2: You will work with fifteen seconds.
Speaker 1: You work with siths, bitch, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: You're disgusting. Show your fucking face. How about that for
Speaker 1: once in your life, Boba Fett, show your face, challenge.
Speaker 1: You died the way you deserve to die in the
Speaker 1: belly of the Sarlac. Fuck you, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: That's one minute, Boba. I'm sorry, Boba Fett was going
Speaker 2: after hand solo. I have to correct myself. Django Fett
Speaker 2: is his father who is in Attack of the Clones,
Speaker 2: and Django Fett was, yes, was Attack of the Clones.
Speaker 2: I just had to correct myself. Thank you for that. Impassionate.
Speaker 1: Well, I absolutely just read his son the house down.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't want to see him
Speaker 1: over fat, like I'm so disgusting.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you have to worry about him.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what do you think about the Mandalorian? He
Speaker 2: has his helme.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. If Pedro Pascal is going to be
Speaker 1: the star or something, I want to see that face.
Speaker 2: I want to see the face. I want to see
Speaker 2: the bridge of that nose.
Speaker 1: Like, I can't believe my guy is so covered up
Speaker 1: in the show. When you realize what exactly is happening
Speaker 1: underneath the mask perfection. Clark Gable, I almost just said
Speaker 1: something really graphic about what I would like to do
Speaker 1: with Pedro Pascal and we have to move up. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was getting horny on my birthday.
Speaker 2: I guess we're gonna have to fight. It's about to
Speaker 2: be what a girl fight.
Speaker 1: Gay fight?
Speaker 2: Gay fight?
Speaker 1: Should the title of episode be gay fight? One word
Speaker 1: gay fight?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: We should.
Speaker 2: We should come out with a song called gay fight
Speaker 2: sequel to Altercation? Oh, about to be an altercations to
Speaker 2: fight with every It's kind of Rianna coated, sort of.
Speaker 1: But I do think the title of episode now is
Speaker 1: gay fight, gay fight. Okay, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: to do I did.
Speaker 2: I think I'm just gonna follow through on what I
Speaker 2: said earlier because this is really this kind of this
Speaker 2: pisses me off the shit fuck all.
Speaker 1: Right, this is bull nangus. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 2: As time starts now, I don't think so honey. Oh
Speaker 2: I'm insecure, and that's why I did a bad thing.
Speaker 2: We're all insecure. No one is not insecure. Maybe your grandmother,
Speaker 2: who fucking survived a terrible societal trauma from decades ago
Speaker 2: and has had to be so resilient that she has
Speaker 2: no time to think about like where she fits into society.
Speaker 2: But even and especially the fucking fitness people who are
Speaker 2: like getting fucked every which way every day of the week,
Speaker 2: who go, well, I'm toxic. I'm not saying all fitness
Speaker 2: people are toxic, but I'm saying the ones who are,
Speaker 2: like who happened to be like rotten packages are like, oh,
Speaker 2: but I'm insecure. I'm actually insecure. Yeah, I know that, hun.
Speaker 2: That is the human condition. Baby ree is universal as well.
Speaker 2: I've just experienced it on different scales and different levels
Speaker 2: in different forms.
Speaker 1: Don't use that.
Speaker 2: As a way to act out and act unwrite.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 1: It's I'm insecure. Is not like a big reveal, no,
Speaker 1: like like I'm so sorry. The reason why I did
Speaker 1: that actually is because I'm insecure.
Speaker 2: Is like, it doesn't give me, it doesn't give you
Speaker 2: an extra access. So that's why when someone like plain
Speaker 2: Jane is like, I'm actually really insecure, I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't fucking care. Stop being a fucking cunt. In
Speaker 2: the words of the Manderastori, meeting.
Speaker 1: My thing is like too. It's like when someone's like
Speaker 1: I'm really insecure, I feel like that's because they're like
Speaker 1: taking advantage of like a coddle culture and like an
Speaker 1: awareness of mental health culture, which is really necessary. But
Speaker 1: then they're just like but then they're the thing to
Speaker 1: that and exploiting that to like get away with really shitty, toxic,
Speaker 1: harmful behavior because they think they can say this thing
Speaker 1: that is now universal. It's like you get out of
Speaker 1: jail free card.
Speaker 2: Oh but mental illness like oh yes, yeah, people are
Speaker 2: actually mentally ill, right, and you might be as well
Speaker 2: on some level, but we have to figure out what
Speaker 2: is acceptable.
Speaker 1: What if Plane J was like I'm really sorry, I've
Speaker 1: been so mean.
Speaker 2: I'm incredibly mentally ill, then you should not be on
Speaker 2: this television show. I also bet that, like, well, again,
Speaker 2: there's the editing of it all, which like blame it
Speaker 2: on the edit, but like that is also a thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, plain no, I'm saying like forever anyone that's
Speaker 1: on reality TV. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, it's
Speaker 1: an excuse, sure, but it's also real. I mean, like
Speaker 1: you are being edited into a caricature of yourself to
Speaker 1: suit a narrative purpose, like that is true, Like I
Speaker 1: can't imagine, Like I actually would wonder like these villains
Speaker 1: on these shows, like do they sit back and they
Speaker 1: are like, Wow, look at me. I'm a really effective
Speaker 1: function on this show. Or is it I fucking hate myself.
Speaker 1: I can't believe this or is it kind of both?
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's why, like the Tiffany Pollit's of
Speaker 2: the world are really special because like, not once was
Speaker 2: she like I'm sorry, I'm such a bitch.
Speaker 1: I am I'm secure.
Speaker 2: She owned it. She's owned it every single moment she's
Speaker 2: been on camera.
Speaker 1: Ye, and I'm incredibly secure period, too secure, too secure.
Speaker 2: The only person who broke Tiffany Pollard was Rain on
Speaker 2: season one A Flavor of Love, who freaked out her
Speaker 2: in the van, and you should go back and watch
Speaker 2: that episode because it is incredible. And Rain was the
Speaker 2: one in the back of the van who was like,
Speaker 2: I'm singing.
Speaker 1: Your shit, I'm sick of your shit.
Speaker 2: And then New York starts crying because like she doesn't
Speaker 2: know why this girl is freaking out at her, but
Speaker 2: it's because she's been me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, taste of her own medicine. Well, that's I guess
Speaker 1: how you ultimately like deal with someone who's emma is
Speaker 1: chaos is you just bring more chaos.
Speaker 2: You just bring more chaos a moment, Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: you pull back because you cannot actually stay at their
Speaker 2: level and their frequency, because then you go crazy.
Speaker 1: Actually the definition of chaos right, going all the way
Speaker 1: and then taking all that like, that's chaotic, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like having an explosive moment and then
Speaker 1: being like, I don't mind like.
Speaker 2: That I'm saying as a way to manage someone else's chaos,
Speaker 2: don't don't.
Speaker 1: Don't you're calling me chaotic? Do I think you're chaotic?
Speaker 2: Hmm, I don't know that. You want to don't go
Speaker 2: down this path. I would say I'm more chaotic than you. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: you really were confident about that. And that's why we
Speaker 2: love you. And that's why I love you so much.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you are in all of our lives.
Speaker 2: We are so lucky to know you and to love you.
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, my Queen.
Speaker 1: Can I get a birthday wish? Yes? I want you
Speaker 1: to sing me my favorite song. As the end of every
Speaker 1: episode with a song, I want you to sing me
Speaker 1: my favorite song. And I just for once get the
Speaker 1: setback and enjoy the singing. Am I supposed to know
Speaker 1: what your favorite song is?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't you have so many? What is it?
Speaker 1: Boone? What's my favorite song?
Speaker 2: I don't know? What is this?
Speaker 1: Single? Okay?
Speaker 2: I'm picking out this dress on me shoe. You can
Speaker 2: be single suit, me single suit.
Speaker 1: I'll be a messa, break the news.
Speaker 2: Single suit.
Speaker 1: This is my favorite part. Here we go.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do one.
Speaker 1: About one.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Wa do.
Speaker 2: To hear more of that song? Was this singles scene?
Speaker 1: So good?
Speaker 3: Mo?
Speaker 2: Thank you hav to me?
Speaker 1: Have you read that? Mm hmm