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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com and the Giants Mobile, the Giants

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Welcome to the newest edition of the Giant

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Speaker 1: Subtle Podcast. John Schmoke with you today. We're joined by

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Speaker 1: former Giant Matthias Kiwanuka. Is doing some great stuff post career.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that, and of course some of the

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Speaker 1: stuff he did while he was a member of the

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Speaker 1: Giants as well. But first to remind you can find

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Speaker 1: the Giant Subtle Podcast on the Giants Podcast Network, which

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Speaker 1: you can find that the Giants Mobile app at Giants

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Speaker 1: dot com, Slash podcast, and on all your favorite podcast platforms. Now,

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Speaker 1: we're joined by our guest. You know him as Matthias Kiwanuka.

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Speaker 1: We used to call him Kiwi. Up here. He's down

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Speaker 1: in Florida now enjoying his retirement. Kiwi, you got Schmulk

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Speaker 1: up here in your old stomping grounds in central northern

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. How's life man? How you doing? Life is good?

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Speaker 1: Life is good. This is around the time of year

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Speaker 1: that I do miss being in New York. After the

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Speaker 1: snow starts to melt and people start coming out of

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Speaker 1: hiber nation and then it get it gets hot down

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Speaker 1: here is everybody. We trade the winners for this summers

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Speaker 1: down here. But um, I do miss it. I'm good though,

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Speaker 1: life is good, no compaints here. Just been hanging out

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Speaker 1: down here for a lot of do Yeah, we've had

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Speaker 1: seventy degrees for a good week or so here, guys

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Speaker 1: are starting to roll in for O T A S.

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Speaker 1: How much do you miss the offseason training though, I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing that probably not as much. You'd be surprised, Like

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Speaker 1: you the farther you get away from the game, the

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Speaker 1: those first couple of days when you're walking back in

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Speaker 1: and you're seeing all the guys and catching up. That

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Speaker 1: stuff is always fun, you know, like it's it's always

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Speaker 1: um it was always difficult to get, you know, back

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Speaker 1: know you've got another break coming before minicamp. And uh so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do miss it, miss being around there. I mean

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Speaker 1: I've played for the Giants my entire career, so that's

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Speaker 1: all I know. And I know how good of an

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Speaker 1: organization it is. Well, we certainly miss you up here,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk a lot about your time with the Giants,

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Speaker 1: but keep you first, Let's talk about what you're doing

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Speaker 1: now you've got invested and involved in Smile Train. Talk

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Speaker 1: why it's important to me is, you know, when I

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Speaker 1: you know, so I went back to Uganda. We built

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm just very proud to be a part,

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Speaker 1: your retirement and your causes at the end of the interview, Kimi,

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Speaker 1: He has a similar story showed up in Northern Aiso.

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Speaker 1: and I do believe that, you know, God puts you

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Speaker 1: in the position you're supposed to be, and now what

429
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Speaker 1: I have done it again? Absolutely not. I would have

430
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Speaker 1: played for position and stuff with it. But yeah, so

431
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Speaker 1: I try not to to go back and look back

432
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Speaker 1: at what if or what could have happened, because God forbid.

433
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Speaker 1: I mean, I could have ended up hurt or doing

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Speaker 1: something else. So um, I enjoyed it. I got to

435
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Speaker 1: win two Super Bowls. I played with some amazing guys

436
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Speaker 1: and uh, but what I will say is there there

437
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: were some moments of frustration, and I remember saying to myself,

438
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Speaker 1: no one person is supposed to be able to play

439
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 1: a four technique against Flozell Adams and then covered to

440
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,239
Speaker 1: Sean Jackson running across his face. Like I was like,

441
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: that's just bad coaching right there, Okay, like you can't

442
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 1: put one guy into all those positions. But I started.

443
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Speaker 1: I played all um six of the front seven positions

444
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Speaker 1: during my career, and you know, I feel like that

445
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 1: enabled me to stay around a little bit longer. I

446
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,679
Speaker 1: was also the right wing on punt my entire career,

447
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 1: and so I just felt like the more that I

448
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 1: could contribute to the team, the better off we would be. Uh. Personally, Yeah,

449
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: it was a sacrifice, but there were so many guys

450
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Speaker 1: out there whose names you don't know, who also sacrifice,

451
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Speaker 1: Guys who gave up millions of dollars to you know,

452
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Speaker 1: slash suites for more information. Two thousand seven. Obviously, the team,

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Speaker 1: I remember they go in a Super Bowl. You unfortunately

469
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 1: broke your leg on November eighteen, uh that year, and

470
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: that that's kind of when and again I'm not making

471
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Speaker 1: the connection here, but then that you know, you had

472
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Speaker 1: the Viking game in there, which was kind of a disaster.

473
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember that. And then the team gets

474
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Speaker 1: into the pluss and they started rolling. What was the

475
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: I guess first the frustration level. What was it like

476
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in kind of seeing all that

477
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Speaker 1: come together. It's difficult because you're it's you have a

478
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: lot of conflicted emotions. I think I've started ten games

479
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 1: that year, so I was very much a part of

480
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: the team. And then it was Shocky and and myself

481
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: and it was a d Ward. We all had the

482
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: same injury, so it was it was really it's really

483
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Speaker 1: difficult as a player not to be contributing in the

484
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Speaker 1: big moments when it when it really counts. And that's

485
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Speaker 1: why a lot of times when I talked about winning

486
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 1: super goals, I talked about the second one. So I

487
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: had the first one earlier in my career where I

488
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: was hurt, the second one later on in my career

489
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Speaker 1: where you know, I was playing sparingly. But between there

490
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Speaker 1: I did have some great years. I had some great times,

491
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Speaker 1: and so I think just being part of those teams,

492
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: um that one are are the bright spots. But yeah,

493
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: it's difficult. I'm still I just had my sixth surgery

494
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: on that ankle bat last December. Wow. It's a it's

495
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: a it's a lifelong thing. When you play in the NFL.

496
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: Everybody always asked you, like, how do you make it out?

497
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: Nobody comes out on scathed? Nobody does. We talked about

498
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: it all the time. I mean, if you play I

499
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: did nine years, I think if you play five six

500
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: plus years, and sometimes it only takes two years, you're

501
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna be dealing with some stuff and it's a

502
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: sacrifice that we all make. Obviously we get compensated for

503
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: it very well, but um, you know, you look back

504
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: on it and you got to take the good with

505
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: the bat. Yeah, you know, you meant you mentioned the

506
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls, but Killey and I think you'll agree

507
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: with me. The best Giant team I've ever been around

508
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: was that two thousand and eight team. I mean, you

509
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: guys were dominant, and we all know what happened at

510
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Speaker 1: the end. You don't have to get into that if

511
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: you don't want to, but you know, I think what

512
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Speaker 1: the team achieved in two thousand and seven and the

513
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: way they play in the playoffs, I think that's what

514
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: you guys were for the whole year in two thousand

515
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: and eight, right ran the ball down people's throats, The

516
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: defense was dominant. What was it like playing on a

517
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: team that really could just control both sides of the

518
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage the way you guys could consistently. It

519
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: was just fun. And that part of that success has

520
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 1: to be attributed to coach Kauflin, because he could always

521
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: find a way to make the sky fall down on

522
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: Monday when we came out after a win. So every

523
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: week we were still in that same mode, that same

524
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: anxious mode of wanting to succeed, wanting to succeed when

525
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: you walked out there in the field and you saw

526
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: how big the eyes were across the across that fifthy

527
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: yard line. I mean, we just knew we were going

528
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: to dominate teams. I knew as soon as Brandon Jacobs

529
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: got that ball it was a rat. I knew we

530
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: were going to go out there as a d line

531
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: and get some sacks and playing within. Obviously, it didn't

532
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: finish up the way that we wanted it to. We

533
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: had some tragic issues, but you know, we'll leave that

534
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: in the past. But it was. It was That's probably

535
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Speaker 1: the most fun I've had playing football. Yeah, I mean,

536
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: I I have most fun I've had watching it, being

537
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: around the Giants. It was just a great year. And

538
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: you know when something like that comes together, what does

539
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: it feel like in the meeting rooms, in the locker room,

540
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: on the field. Is there just a different feeling that

541
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: that's almost impossible to quantify. You couldn't tell us nothing

542
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: there was there was nothing to be said, newspaper articles

543
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: that it didn't matter what was said, who was doubting us,

544
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: because it just didn't. It went in one ear and

545
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: out the other. There was absolutely um no time to

546
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: to listen to the haters or anything like that. We

547
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: just we knew that we had a job to do.

548
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: We knew that we were gonna win, and we as

549
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: long as we executed. We had a lot of great

550
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: coaches on that staff. To a lot of those coaches

551
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: are still doing very well for themselves right now. You

552
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: gotta remember that Conflin coaching tree is a beast right now,

553
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,239
Speaker 1: so got to give them credit to But we just

554
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: we just enjoyed every minute of it. There was a

555
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: reason to celebrate. We're laughing, we're joking. Every day you

556
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: walk in the meeting room and somebody gets up and

557
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: tells a joke for somebody. We had battle wraps in

558
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: the D line meeting room like it was just it was.

559
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: It was just a fun time. We worked our asses off.

560
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't get it twisted. We worked our asses off,

561
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: but we just had a fun time playing football. And

562
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: that was your best year, right You had eight sacks

563
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: that year, seventeen quarterback hits? Was that really when you

564
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: felt like, all right, they're using me the way I

565
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: need to be used. This is perfect, and everything's clicking

566
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: for you personally too. I was hungry. I wanted to

567
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: get us back there. I was like, listen, I missed

568
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: the last one. Let's go, let's go get another one.

569
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Speaker 1: You know, I really believed in that team, and you know,

570
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: the the process of getting there is what makes that team,

571
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, like that's what makes the memory for me. Yeah,

572
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: we didn't win the big one, but the process in

573
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: which we went about things training camp, coming in, laughing

574
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: and joking during training camp, and then making it all

575
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: the way through a week what six seven, like, you know,

576
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: like without any hiccups, like it was just it was

577
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: just fun, you know, it was it was fun to

578
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: play ball, and yeah, I felt really good about where

579
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: I was as a player at that time. All Right,

580
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: let's go to the Super Bowl inven Kiwie and boy,

581
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, people lumped two thousand seven and two thousand

582
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: and eleven together a lot, but to me, the seasons

583
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: could not be any different in terms of how you

584
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: guys won games. And I looked it up. You were

585
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: the twenty seventh rank defense in the regular season that year,

586
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: but the third ranked defense in the playoffs. What the

587
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: heck change that allowed you guys to turn it on

588
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: like that when you got to the postseason, where the

589
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: defense really played so much better in those in those

590
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: final set of games as opposed earlier in the year.

591
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: I think we really had enough guys and and that's

592
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: that's part of um. I think why they kept me

593
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: around so long as we had enough guys left from

594
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: that first Super Bowl team that could that could clearly

595
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: state the message, Listen, the season is over, like no

596
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: matter what we did during the regular season, that is over.

597
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: Somebody has to come in here that where we have

598
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: to go there, they have to beat us. We have

599
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: an opportunity. And then we had guys coming in from

600
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: other teams who would get up there and give speeches

601
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: and say, you know, specifically a couple of guys, listen, guys,

602
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: I've been playing in this league for seven eight years.

603
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: I've never been to the playoffs. You guys have won,

604
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: like I I want that. So some of the guys

605
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: who were just coming in were hungry. They came to

606
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: New York specifically to win a Super Bowl. And I

607
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: think we just it just clicked. You know, we had

608
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: a lot of young guys. I mean, think about Japan Williams.

609
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: You wanna talk about me playing out a position, Think

610
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: about a linebacker covering deep from you know, lining up, Damn,

611
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: you're on the line of scrimmage and then running back

612
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: covering deep balls. There were there were so many contributing

613
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: factors to it. Um, but when you get to the playoffs,

614
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: it's a fresh start. It's a fresh season. You gotta

615
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: get your mind right. And if you have vetteran guys

616
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: who have been in those tough situations before, they can

617
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: put their arm around the young guys, just tell them,

618
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: he shake it off, shake it off, let's go. Don't

619
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: let the last play beat you on the next places.

620
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: What I always used to say, you know, we talked

621
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: about two thousand and now, you guys just ran the

622
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: ball down. People's throw us with two thousand eleven. It

623
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: was the Eli Manning show, right. What was it like

624
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: watching him click with you know, Victor Hakim, all those

625
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: guys marry On ending him on offense where it was

626
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: just really an aerial show for a lot of that year. Yeah,

627
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: his his calm, confidence, that smooth walk he had walking

628
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: out there every week. You just you just by that

629
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: time and like my career playing with him, you know,

630
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: he's the only quarterback I ever played with. By that point,

631
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: I just I knew something big was gonna happen. I

632
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: knew it was gonna click. I knew at some point

633
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: he was gonna make some big plays in the game,

634
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: and um, watching the entire offense as a whole, it

635
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: was just it was impressive. You know, like whenever we

636
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: needed it seemed like whenever something was was missing, somebody

637
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: came up clutch, somebody came up big. And a lot

638
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: of that was the growth and maturation of Eli. He

639
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: was able to to not just you know, get the receivers,

640
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: but he could get the offensive lineman in position and

641
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: tell them it was It was kind of like watching

642
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: him really come into his own. I mean, he had

643
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: already won a Super Bowl, but that wasn't necessarily his team.

644
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, that was still straight This was his team

645
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: there was there was nobody above him on that team

646
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: at that time. So I think for him that's a

647
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: that's a great maybe even better than the first one.

648
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: That was a great victory for him. What sticks out

649
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: in your mind about the playoffs? A play a game

650
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: you pick it that really sticks out that kind of

651
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: defined that run for you In the defense, I think

652
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: for me it was the Falcons game. I can't remember

653
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: who the back was, but I was lined up matched

654
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: up with him one on one in the hole. For

655
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: almost the entire game. And I remember coming out of

656
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: that game beat up, but for some reason that that

657
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: was the game for me that just said, okay, you

658
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: know what I contributed to the win? You know, in

659
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: this season, I was you know, I was waiting because

660
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: I was I was a big linebacker at that time,

661
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: so we needed, you know, only certain informations would bring

662
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: me out on the field. So when I got that opportunity,

663
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: and it maybe it wasn't always sacks for this and that,

664
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: but to be able to stuff somebody back in the

665
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: hole consistently over and over and over again, maybe feel good.

666
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: How about the Super Bowl against the Patriots. You missed

667
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: the first one, which obviously was was the big one

668
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: your union, You beat the undefeated team. But that second

669
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: when you get another shot of Tom Brady. We all

670
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: know Tom Brady wanted a second shot at you guys.

671
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: He just was jumping the other day on a podcast. Now,

672
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't understand why Giant fans hate me, and they're

673
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: the one team I can't beat. So what was it

674
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: like getting ready for that game and then going up

675
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: against the guy like Brady who you know was dying

676
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: to beat you guys in that game. Honestly, I think

677
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: at that point we had kind of adapted that mentality,

678
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: like he's just another guy. If he beats us, we

679
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: we did something wrong. We know how to get to him.

680
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: We we have the formula, we know what to do. Yes,

681
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna make plays, There's no doubt about it. He's

682
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: gonna make plays. But at the end of the day,

683
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, they can only win if we let him

684
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: beat us. So we took away the threats that he had,

685
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: and then we just tried to get to him, you know.

686
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: And and so I don't think at that point it

687
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: wasn't there really wasn't this whole mystique of of Tom Brady.

688
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: It was just this is who we got to play,

689
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: and this is what we gotta do at that time.

690
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: What's the sense for a defensive lineman or a pass

691
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: rusher when you know you're hitting the quarterback. What are

692
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: some of the things you see when you're like, all right,

693
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: we're starting to get to this dude. We've seen this

694
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: and this and this, and we know we're affecting one

695
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: of some of the things that you noticed that maybe

696
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: you know us watching on TV or been watching the

697
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: film camp, but you guys can see out there on

698
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: the field. The first thing I think I noticed is

699
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: the uncomfortable, like the lack of comfort for that offensive

700
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: tackle that you're going against. You know, he's got he's

701
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: got his eyes following you in and out of the huddle.

702
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: He's trying to figure out if you're lining up against him.

703
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he's already jumped offside, so now he's he's nervous

704
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: about about what's going to happen. But the one of

705
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: the greatest feelings, with the greatest moments is when you

706
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: hit him with a move, So I would do the

707
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: staff slap, you stab him, slap that arm, and they

708
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: fall down and it's just you and the quarterback. The

709
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: quarterback can't see, his back is turning. You're just thinking,

710
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: if he pats that ball one time, it is a wrap.

711
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: And so when you when you beat somebody clean like that,

712
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: because there's all types of sacks, there's other sacks where

713
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: it's just like you're just grinding, grinding, grinding, somebody else

714
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 1: flushes them to you and and you wrap them up.

715
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 1: Those are great sacks, don't get me wrong. But when

716
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: you've been working specifically all geek to be one guy

717
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: and you've established what move you're gonna beat him with.

718
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: You set up every single move up to that point

719
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: for that third down in that fourth quarter, and you

720
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: get that move, You get him to line up the

721
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: way that you want him to, and you get that

722
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: that perfect move, and it's just you and the quarterback. Now,

723
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a foot race. That's probably the

724
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: fastest ten yards any defensive lineman can run. Yeah. They

725
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: always talking about the ten yards split right on the

726
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: forty yard. That's the ten yards split on the forty

727
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: yard right there. Man. But it's great, great reminiscing. Talk

728
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: about key we kind of you know what you're doing

729
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: now after retirement? How you keep me so busy? I

730
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: know you can talk more about the small train if

731
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: you want anything else that you're up to, and and

732
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. Yeah, so smile train right

733
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: now is the thing that I'm most proud of. Since

734
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: I retired, I started a company called Wandering Lines. We

735
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: are important distribute wine from all over the world. Right now,

736
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: we're just in Florida. We have plans to open it

737
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: up to do online sales and to go national here

738
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: in the next couple of years. But we've just been

739
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: steadily growing and growing. Are are base down here in Florida.

740
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: We have four brands, Wandering Wines as a parent brand.

741
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: We have Peaks and Valleys which you can find a

742
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: capital grill, uh, I think down here in Florida Capital grills. Um.

743
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: We have Keen, which houses a rose and m and

744
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: a and a sparkling. And then we have lost Find.

745
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: That's one that's hard to pronounce. Everybody calls it lost

746
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: in fine, but it's lost find. And that's more of

747
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: the one that you'll find. Like if you go to

748
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: a brewery down here in Florida, you can find it

749
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: on a menu. Um. And that that has kept me

750
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: extremely busy. Building a business on your own. I didn't

751
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: do it by myself. I had a great business partner

752
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: who was successful in his own right and showed me

753
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: how to develop a business. But building a business, I

754
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: mean everything, every little part of it. Like there there's

755
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: no part of my business that I haven't done. I've

756
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: put labels on bottles myself. I put cases of wine

757
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: in my own truck and drove it every like there

758
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: are times people like I just can't believe that a

759
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl winner is delivering wine. You know, and this

760
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: is right after I retired. Um, I had a dolly

761
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: in the back of my truck. But that was that's

762
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: how we established our business. We wanted to make sure

763
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: that we showed growth, you know, and you would say,

764
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: we could pay somebody to come in here and do this,

765
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna reflect well on our balance sheet,

766
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna get the hands on experience. So

767
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: now when I bring people into work for me, you're

768
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: not gonna get anything past me. I know exactly how

769
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: hard it is. I know, I know exactly how many

770
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: hours you spend on the road going from Key Largo

771
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: to Jensen Beach. And then you know, I finally got

772
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 1: into a place now where you know, people are coming

773
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: to us and we sit around and we taste wine

774
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: and we try it and we decide with the help

775
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: of some small we have three small Ya's on the

776
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: staff and we um and we picked wines to bring in.

777
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: So that's the fun part, traveling around the world and

778
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: drinking wine with friends. I think like that. That's what

779
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: attracted me to it the most, was just you know,

780
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: going back and forth to Napola and traveling to Europe

781
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: and sitting there having these conversations with professionals, people who

782
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: are masters at their craft. When you sit with a

783
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: winemaker and you asked them, you know what goes into

784
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: making this wine, It's one of those experiences where somebody

785
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: can talk for twenty thirty minutes straight and then they

786
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: look up and they're like, oh, sorry, and I'm like, no, no, no,

787
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: don't apologize, Like that's that's where you learned. That's where

788
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: I've gotten to growth, you know, in the business. And

789
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: I just I just enjoyed that. And you never know

790
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: who you're gonna run into. You never know who you're

791
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: gonna meet. You know, some of the most interesting people

792
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: are sitting in a cafe somewhere having a nice class

793
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: of wine. And and I've always um just been intrigued,

794
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: like learning people's stories and whatnot. So that's kept me

795
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: pretty busy. The two kids during COVID seven and nine,

796
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: trying to homeschool. God bless you, sir. I don't teachers

797
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: do it. I don't know. I don't, I honestly don't know.

798
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: We we had to high or a tutor to come in.

799
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: I can't even lie because at some point, you know,

800
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: trying to work two different computer screens, and this one's

801
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: got to start at nine. This was thirty and where's

802
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: your chalkboard? Where? Why aren't you dressing? I was just

803
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: I was I was flushed. So I have a tremendous

804
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: amount of respect for every working parent who did it themselves,

805
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: and for all the mothers and fathers who stay home

806
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: by themselves with the children. That's a full time job,

807
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: but I do enjoy it. I love watching my kids grow.

808
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: I've been blessed to have, you know, time to to

809
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: spend with them, so you know, we're just helping develop

810
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: their skill sets and watching them grow and watching them

811
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: discover things and seeing things through the eyes of a child. Again,

812
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: It's just it's been amazing how much you still keep

813
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: tracking the NFL and the Giants. Not at all. No, No,

814
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm joking. I'm joking. I um so I watched Here's

815
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: how I watched games, right, And people always ask me,

816
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: do you still watch football? Yes? I watch football, especially

817
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: now that my kids are are of the age to

818
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: understand the game football from a very technical aspect. So

819
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: if you if you called me after a game and

820
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: you want to say, hey, what did you see from

821
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: this defensive ent? I can break it down for you.

822
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you where his foot was supposed

823
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: to be. Why are his hands on his knees, Why

824
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: is he looking backwards when he should be looking forward?

825
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: You know, all those different things. It's almost impossible for

826
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: me to break my mindset out of watching football the

827
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: way that I've been trained to watch it. So the

828
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: first thing my eyes go to is the receivers, the

829
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: split in the backfield, where how deep is the quarterback.

830
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: Then I want to see the stands from the offensive

831
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: tackle or the interior linement. Now I'm trying to figure

832
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: out what defense are we in or where are we playing?

833
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: And they've done a good job of mixing it up.

834
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: And then you know, I watched the defensive lineman and

835
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: I watched the outside linebackers, and then I try to

836
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: put together the whole picture. I don't rewind nearly as

837
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: much at all. I um, I would rather like, you know,

838
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: come on post game and talk about the technical aspect

839
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: of an individual player, then talk about the politics of

840
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: the sport and of the game, and you know who's

841
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: doing what. I don't the off the field stuff. For me,

842
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: that's that's over and done. I like I enjoy you know,

843
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: sitting with high school kids and teaching them. Okay, listen,

844
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: this is this is what you gotta do. You can't

845
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: drop your foot, you can't bucket step, you can't take

846
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: a step backward if you're trying to go forward. And

847
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: just those those little nuances of the game, um is

848
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: what I pay attention to. And really that's the important stuff,

849
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: which is probably it's funny. I always thought, you know,

850
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: it was such a such a smart guy. I bought

851
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: you could be good on TV. But now I know

852
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: why you didn't go into TV, because all they do

853
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: is ask you about that other stuff that really isn't

854
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Speaker 1: all that important, right, And if you can sit there

855
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Speaker 1: and break down film on TV, I think it'd be great.

856
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Speaker 1: But unfortunately that's not what people like to do, which

857
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Speaker 1: which which boggles mine. Wiled to be quite honest with you,

858
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Speaker 1: and I always I always said, you know, I played

859
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: in the league. I knew what my responsibility is. Nobody

860
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: outside of that room knew what my responsibility. When you're

861
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: in a fact, no a little defense, what you look

862
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: like you're supposed to do has nothing to do with

863
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: what your actual responsibility is. So you know, you get

864
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Speaker 1: you get on you go, you go home, You turn

865
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Speaker 1: on ESPN, and they want to spot shout you and

866
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: circle you and say, oh, this guy was No, he

867
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: wasn't out of position. He was doing exactly what he

868
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: was told to do. The play just broke down or

869
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: didn't work. So I also shy away from criticizing players

870
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Speaker 1: unless I have an intricate, detailed understanding of what he

871
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: is supposed to be doing. So I think when you're

872
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Speaker 1: the guy who's in the locker room with the team

873
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: every day, weekend, week out, you have a better understanding.

874
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: You just don't have as big of a platform, you know,

875
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: to go out there and to create to critique people.

876
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: The people who are criticizing these players oftentimes they're too

877
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: far removed from the game to to really give a

878
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: good opinion. But it sounds good on TV. Looks good,

879
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: sounds good that you know, it keeps people watching, so

880
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: they'll keep doing it. Yeah. I can't say how many

881
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Speaker 1: times where I would, you know, see somebody doing of

882
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: their film breakdowns on TV and then I go and

883
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Speaker 1: ask the actual assistant coach just right and they're like, no,

884
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: it's not even quotes. I remember there was a game

885
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: where we came out of it and were killinghen. I

886
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: forget who it was, and I talked to the assistant

887
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: coach you might have been been Jikuan Williams, and like, well,

888
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: he said, Jaquan will played really bad. He goes, you

889
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: know what, let me tell you something. Jaquan Williams did

890
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: exactly what we told him to do. And for someone

891
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: on the outside looking that didn't know his assignment, you know,

892
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: maybe they thought he played a bad game. We great

893
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: him as an a because he did exactly what we

894
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: told him to do for this particular team against this

895
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: particular matchup. He's He's one of the guys that I

896
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: point to the most when you talk about playing out

897
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Speaker 1: a position. I mean, the guy played nickel, he played

898
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, he played safety, all in the same game,

899
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Speaker 1: and he would do it from a similar position, so

900
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: nobody knew where he was going to be. If you

901
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: if you asked the offensive coordinate on the other side,

902
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: they'd probably have a different story. They say that kid

903
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 1: ruined all of our plays, you know, but he never

904
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: got the credit for it because nobody really truly understood

905
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: what exactly he was supposed to be doing. You you

906
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: hit it right on the head. All right, finally, I

907
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: guess you. I guess you gotta be pretty excited about

908
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: where the Giants are headed, right, I mean they're only

909
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: six and ten last year, but a new coach and

910
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Speaker 1: Joe Judgridge, by the way, when you come up here

911
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: and you know the spend some time with him. He

912
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: has coughlin vibes. Dude up and down like no joke,

913
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: like hardcore. You don't want to mess with this dude. Uh.

914
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Speaker 1: And it seems like things are really pointing up here. Man,

915
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Speaker 1: I know, and I'm looking forward to it. I tell

916
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Speaker 1: people all the time, just be patient. Be patient. It

917
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: is a very well run organization. I think that is

918
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Speaker 1: one of the most important parts. Yes, there have been

919
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: some tough years, but from top down, from Marris and

920
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: tissues all the way down, I do believe that that

921
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Speaker 1: the ship is going to be righted. And I've never

922
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Speaker 1: lost faith in them. I just understand that, you know,

923
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Speaker 1: the seasons, Evan flow, It's not always gonna be you know,

924
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Speaker 1: great seasons. But I do believe we have a good

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Speaker 1: shot this year. To remind everybody, go to smile train

926
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Speaker 1: dot org. Working on global health equity, UH, trying to

927
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Speaker 1: do a lot of work with the cleft surgeries and

928
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Speaker 1: in cleft care out there in African of course, in

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Speaker 1: Kiwi's and Cetral home in Uganda. Can we appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time man, Thank you so much. We'll see up here soon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for the time. Thank you,