Speaker 1: But I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.
Speaker 2: But you're a guest to my home. You gotta come
Speaker 2: to me empty, And I said, no guests, you're o
Speaker 2: presences presents enough.
Speaker 1: I already had too much stuff, So how did you
Speaker 1: dare to surbey me?
Speaker 3: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Bridger Wineger January,
Speaker 3: I suppose, and at least this is January. Nodding their head. Uh, so,
Speaker 3: I assume I'm catching you on the slopes, probably zipping
Speaker 3: down the mountain on your new skis, going this way
Speaker 3: and that. I mean, I can't imagine anything else you
Speaker 3: would be doing. I had lunch at Chipotle. God only
Speaker 3: knows what I was thinking. Rough experience. But we're in
Speaker 3: the middle of the day. It's beautiful, we're in the backyard,
Speaker 3: and I'm very excited about today's guests. He's just wonderful.
Speaker 3: It's echo kellum echo. Welcome to said.
Speaker 4: Okifts, thank you so much for having me. I'm very thankful.
Speaker 4: I already said thank you. Look that two thanks in
Speaker 4: one sentence.
Speaker 3: Wow, the gratitude is just shining through. I'm not quite
Speaker 3: sure what to do with myself today. It's been so cold,
Speaker 3: and now it feels like it's summer.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm wear a full on sweater. It's like
Speaker 4: ninety seven degree. It was like sixty eight degrees yesterday
Speaker 4: and I was like, sweater weather is here. I'm living,
Speaker 4: I'm thriving, and today I am. I am completely drenched.
Speaker 3: I feel like even just wearing pants, I'm overdressed for this.
Speaker 3: It's too much. But uh, I guess we should enjoy
Speaker 3: this before it begins raining.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I I I'm like, I'm like, uh, Noah,
Speaker 4: like is going right? I looked forward to the rain.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Noah looked forward to the rain.
Speaker 4: I just remember that one thing was like, it's going rain.
Speaker 4: Like he just keeps saying it's going rain, and yeah, Noah,
Speaker 4: sure he's blowing that arc. It ain't going right. But
Speaker 4: I look forward to the rain out here.
Speaker 3: I I wish I could. I mean, Uh, listeners of
Speaker 3: this podcast know that last year my house flooded, so
Speaker 3: I'm like dealing with that kind of residual feeling, hoping
Speaker 3: that it doesn't happen again this year. Then I can
Speaker 3: embrace rain again.
Speaker 5: My back house flooded.
Speaker 4: It's not a house, it's like it was a garage
Speaker 4: that I converted into a man cave.
Speaker 5: It's like I don't even think I'm like rich. Like
Speaker 5: I have a backhouse.
Speaker 4: It's very central. A car would fit in it. Okay,
Speaker 4: but that's about it. But you know, it flooded a
Speaker 4: few years ago. There was like this intense rainstorm.
Speaker 3: Was like more water drop, more water dropped.
Speaker 5: Oh god, that's my that's where I'm from.
Speaker 4: Water more water dropped in a span of like an
Speaker 4: hour and a half than like one hundred years in La.
Speaker 4: Like about four or five years ago. The flooded my
Speaker 4: back car garage conversion, right and my whole backyard. So
Speaker 4: I was just like, man, this sucks. But then I'm
Speaker 4: also like we've dealt with so many droughts, and I'm
Speaker 4: like I just don't I just want to be thankful.
Speaker 5: When I live in Vancouver, it rained all the time.
Speaker 5: I hated my life. I was so sad. Of course,
Speaker 5: so I understand that, but yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Feels bad to complain when we're so desperate for any
Speaker 3: level of water. But the moment it starts, I'm just
Speaker 3: in a complete panic and cursing it and just being
Speaker 3: like I let's do a drought for twenty years. I
Speaker 3: don't care anymore.
Speaker 4: How are you doing doing that herriquake? Remember that was
Speaker 4: like August.
Speaker 3: I was definitely scared. Yeah, I mean I was so tense.
Speaker 3: I felt like my back was going to break. And
Speaker 3: it rained for like a day. Yeah, but we didn't
Speaker 3: have any flooding. I think it has to rain for
Speaker 3: thirty six hours before I'm in an actual danger. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: I'm going to be Yeah, the rain's coming.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean it's noah, it's me okay, but I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm doing nothing to prepare. I'm just waiting to see
Speaker 3: what happens to me again.
Speaker 4: Collecting animals, of course, that's the one thing I know
Speaker 4: and I have.
Speaker 3: My house is just full of animals. They're fighting, they're mating,
Speaker 3: they're eating everything, life life. When your place flooded, what
Speaker 3: did you like slowly know it was beginning to flood
Speaker 3: or was it like you walk back there and you're like, oh, no.
Speaker 4: So I just had some where it's a back patios
Speaker 4: in the backyard. Well, don't want to say, yar, it's
Speaker 4: very small, that's very tiny. I just had some work
Speaker 4: done on the back patio, and so they like redid
Speaker 4: the top and then like they did something with like
Speaker 4: a little wall I have back there to make it
Speaker 4: easier for the rain. And then it just I looked
Speaker 4: out back and it was flooding and it was coming
Speaker 4: toward my house.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: And I looked in the back room. It was like
Speaker 4: water ankle deep, and I was like, ohly shit. They
Speaker 4: had all my I have shoes in there. Oh no,
Speaker 4: that's a whole bottom row done like just classics.
Speaker 5: Gone like, yeah, what.
Speaker 3: Did you do with the shoes?
Speaker 5: I tossed them. Oh, this has happened to me before.
Speaker 4: Like I had some sneakers in the bedroom at my
Speaker 4: brother's house in him and Indiana years and years ago,
Speaker 4: and his house flooded and it ruined all of my Jordans.
Speaker 3: These shoes.
Speaker 5: I shouldn't have nice shoes, but I do. I love shoes.
Speaker 5: I still buy them. I need them.
Speaker 4: But I did the dumbest thing in the world. I
Speaker 4: got a bucket and start trying to like shove water
Speaker 4: the side to help, and it was it was just
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 5: Raining so intensely, so it was just nothing I could do.
Speaker 3: Right, there's truly nothing. You just have to wait for
Speaker 3: it to be I just waited yet. What else was
Speaker 3: in this room? Oh man?
Speaker 4: This is like this was like my man it's my
Speaker 4: storage room now, but it used to be my man
Speaker 4: cave room. Like I have like a little TV put
Speaker 4: up in there, but it's mainly like shoes across the wall,
Speaker 4: like I have like probably three hundred pairs of Oh
Speaker 4: my god, this is a foot loss. So it's literally
Speaker 4: like but they're all in like these like nice little
Speaker 4: drop boxes, so you can just open up the front
Speaker 4: and just grab them and they're so it's like, it's
Speaker 4: not about.
Speaker 3: Three hundred pairs of shoes. Is that what you said?
Speaker 5: Something like that, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: I to be fair, I don't buy a lot of
Speaker 4: shoes now, but there was a period twenty fifteen to
Speaker 4: nineteen where I was obsessed with sneakers and buying them.
Speaker 3: And right right, what was the did it? Like you
Speaker 3: picked a pair and they were like, oh, I need
Speaker 3: to just keep doing this. I mean, it's.
Speaker 4: Really generational trauma is the reason.
Speaker 3: Why I bought it.
Speaker 5: I was a poor black kid, sure.
Speaker 4: And I would wear the air Gordon's to school with
Speaker 4: the Michael Jordan who's way too strong, and it's like.
Speaker 3: That, ain't Michael Jordan's mighty be able to get him?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: So when you are very poor black man, you get
Speaker 4: any summits of money, shoe fairy shop comes up and
Speaker 4: says you have to do this, you have to do it,
Speaker 4: and you have to buy a sneaker for some reason.
Speaker 4: But the poor you have to start off poor, you know. So,
Speaker 4: But no, it was like I always wanted cool sneakers
Speaker 4: and I never can really have and like that, I
Speaker 4: was a little still miffed about the Jordan's situation in
Speaker 4: him in Indiana, so I started buying. It was one pair,
Speaker 4: this is what, this is what happens. I saw one
Speaker 4: pair called the Jordan twelve wings, okay, and you can
Speaker 4: rub off some of the Jordan and it reveals golden
Speaker 4: black wings underneath it. They were so cool and it's like,
Speaker 4: I have to have these shoes. And it just awoken
Speaker 4: my shoe off. I was like, oh my god. And
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I'm making money. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 4: I can buy shoes.
Speaker 3: You can treat yourself to wow. So the shoes were
Speaker 3: like a I don't even know what that is like
Speaker 3: a lotto ticket or something. Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 4: I think it just meant like, you know, there's so
Speaker 4: much uh, shoe envy from where I was from, like
Speaker 4: just being like poor kids, we can never just have
Speaker 4: the cool stuff, you know. So it was just kind
Speaker 4: of like the kid who had the Jordan, you knew
Speaker 4: their parents are doing, like, oh, you got two parents,
Speaker 4: so you're both the parents in the household. Okay, we see,
Speaker 4: you know whatever. But for the rest of those who
Speaker 4: were just like man, I was some cool. She was
Speaker 4: wearing extra nine hundreds and pro wings and things like that,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: So to be very clear though, what I was saying
Speaker 3: is when you scratch the shoe.
Speaker 4: Like I won the lot was kind of entertainment. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you rub it off, and then it's is the gold
Speaker 4: gone forever? Well, so they're they're black and white, okay,
Speaker 4: and then when you rub the black off, it's black
Speaker 4: and gold.
Speaker 5: And it's wings. This incredible, like dozens of wings. It's
Speaker 5: so cool.
Speaker 4: I had I bought two hairs of them just so
Speaker 4: I could like rub off one of course satisfying, and
Speaker 4: of course I got them. I was like, I can't
Speaker 4: rub these off. These are these are prices. I can't
Speaker 4: do anything. I haven't done that.
Speaker 3: Wait till you're on your deathbed.
Speaker 4: Yes, bring maybe twelve wings.
Speaker 3: Now more shoes should be designed to like become cooler
Speaker 3: as you wear them. They should, Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: imagine that's not exactly why they do that, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean they're right. That's really amazing. How much does
Speaker 3: a pair of shoes like that cost?
Speaker 4: The truth is the resale that is the expensive part, right,
Speaker 4: And I keeping them out for just two hundred bucks.
Speaker 4: Oh you know, it's like, you know what you would
Speaker 4: expect to be, but if you're trying to get them
Speaker 4: on resale, they're like a thousand or something.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: So were you ever waiting in lines or anything?
Speaker 4: Not not physically on the net yet, Like I'll get
Speaker 4: on sneakers app and then it's like you're waiting a
Speaker 4: line and stuff like that, or foot.
Speaker 5: Lockers doing a drop. I would do that type of stuff, but.
Speaker 4: I was never one of the I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 4: I have gone to a line or two, maybe two
Speaker 4: at the most in my entire life, but I'm just
Speaker 4: not the Hey, let's show up at now. I think
Speaker 4: I did it one time, showed up at the mall
Speaker 4: at nine am. The mall on that open till ten
Speaker 4: there was already a line with twenty five people and
Speaker 4: they had two pairs of sneakers. And I was like,
Speaker 4: oh what am I doing here? Like, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: never doing this again.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I in the last couple of years,
Speaker 3: I came to the conclusion that nothing is worth waiting
Speaker 3: in a line for. If there are more than three
Speaker 3: people have to stand behind whatever it is is, I
Speaker 3: don't need it. Yeah, I won't enjoy it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it's a bar or someone want to go
Speaker 4: to in the's a line, no, and you know, I'll
Speaker 4: go to the guy and I'm like, hey, you know
Speaker 4: I have a back garage house.
Speaker 5: You know, He's like, I don't care, man, get out
Speaker 5: of it. But I ain't waiting this line, brother, you
Speaker 5: know you.
Speaker 3: Don't hear me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing well. I have a back garage, thanks sir.
Speaker 4: So can I please get in this establishment? No, well,
Speaker 4: I'm not waiting.
Speaker 3: And then you're yelling at to the line. You're just
Speaker 3: trying to get anyone to be impressed by.
Speaker 5: Anyone to be impressed by that. You know, I have
Speaker 5: a converted.
Speaker 3: Garage and it's currently draw it's dried, only flooded once.
Speaker 4: I was definitely worried that every time it rains. That
Speaker 4: is a worry of mine. Okay, oh, it can happen
Speaker 4: again because I didn't do anything.
Speaker 3: I can't do anything. What do you think You've got
Speaker 3: to do something?
Speaker 4: Just like whoa, that's that's that's what happens sometimes things flood.
Speaker 3: Did you at least like lift the shoes up off
Speaker 3: the floor.
Speaker 5: I mean I did something. I mean I mean like
Speaker 5: it's not.
Speaker 4: Like I redid the whole room or like it was
Speaker 4: like let's get all this out here.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I was just like damn. You know.
Speaker 4: I tested for mold and it was like no mold.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, great, that's all I can expect.
Speaker 4: This is all I can hope for. Like what I'm
Speaker 4: going to reinforce the room? I'm getting sand bags next time,
Speaker 4: I guess I could.
Speaker 3: I can tell you about sandbags. I can tell you
Speaker 3: sand bag technology didn't have a kind of yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: at least as far as stopping the water to a point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just soaks up the water, soaks.
Speaker 3: Up the water and then leaves a muddy stain on
Speaker 3: your floor. And I mean there's so much panicking and
Speaker 3: screaming and wetness that it really nothing really matters. Yeah,
Speaker 3: once it's in the house, it's like it's very problematic. Right,
Speaker 3: you just collapsed. How do you test for mold? Did you?
Speaker 5: I had somebody come in to just make sure everything
Speaker 5: was okay, what not.
Speaker 3: The probably should get things tested for mold. I feel
Speaker 3: like my house is probably just full of dangerous.
Speaker 5: And get some little sprays just spray away. Yeah, spray they.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's hiding somewhere in my house and
Speaker 3: affecting everything I do.
Speaker 5: I mean, mold's probably everywhere.
Speaker 3: It's probably it's very sneaky, so sneaky. A lot of
Speaker 3: things are damp.
Speaker 4: So many things are damp, and the mosquitoes are just
Speaker 4: in there, like everywhere.
Speaker 3: Baby, you know, let me ask you this. Did you
Speaker 3: have mosquitos in your house this year? Yeah?
Speaker 4: They they hang around It wasn't you know. I'm just
Speaker 4: at a place where I don't even leave the windows.
Speaker 4: I have screens in all the windows. I don't leave
Speaker 4: my doors open, right, don't want to do Like if
Speaker 4: one mosquitoes in the house, I feel more panic than
Speaker 4: if it's going to rain for three days. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm just like, is it in the room? Like I'm like,
Speaker 4: is it in the room when I sleep I wake up?
Speaker 4: I got like four things just like I really do
Speaker 4: it for like man, Like you see one and then
Speaker 4: you see it and it goes away.
Speaker 3: You're just like, oh my god, you're chasing it around
Speaker 3: the house. We had a fly in our bedroom and
Speaker 3: my boyfriend would not go to sleep until we had
Speaker 3: caught it. So it was like an hour before we
Speaker 3: went back to bed. And there's a good chance you're
Speaker 3: not going to catch the fly. They're getting away.
Speaker 5: They're very good.
Speaker 3: I finally have a fly. I got a fly sweater
Speaker 3: on this podcast. They help. They're very useful. I want
Speaker 3: one of those little zappy.
Speaker 5: Ones, like the carry around zappy.
Speaker 3: They're incredible. I want to say so manufactured them. We
Speaker 3: had one when I was a kid and my brother
Speaker 3: would hit me with it, so it was more of
Speaker 3: like a torture device. Okay, but you know it's like
Speaker 3: a swater, but it also zaps, so you're getting a
Speaker 3: real kill power op. Yeah yeah, but uh, this is
Speaker 3: the first year we had like as we didn't have
Speaker 3: a ton of mosquitos in the house, but they were
Speaker 3: getting it and people other friends have been like, oh,
Speaker 3: we had mosquitos in the house in the five years
Speaker 3: ago there. I don't think there were mosquitos in any city.
Speaker 5: There weren't any. There weren't any.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what their next step is
Speaker 3: going to be. Where do you go over?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: They're going to be running property, yes, moving in next
Speaker 4: to just like a million mosquitoes in a man made
Speaker 4: mosquito suit.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: You're competing with mosquitoes to buy property. The housing market
Speaker 3: is getting.
Speaker 5: Worse than really brutal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough situation. The water, we've got to
Speaker 3: just like even it out one like the rain once
Speaker 3: a month.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that'll be nice.
Speaker 3: I wottle break.
Speaker 4: If I would say, if I could say, a perfect
Speaker 4: amount for me per month, give me a weekend.
Speaker 3: Oh a nice RAINI weekend, bring out the tea.
Speaker 4: I sometimes just to sit in my door, sit at
Speaker 4: my door on the inside right, crack it open and
Speaker 4: just listen to those rain drops.
Speaker 3: It makes me feel nice. Let me get to that
Speaker 3: place to feel peace with the rain. My god.
Speaker 4: I hated in Vancouver couldn't stand because it was just
Speaker 4: like relentless.
Speaker 5: Its like NonStop, four straight weeks.
Speaker 4: Every day it rains and you're just like, oh my,
Speaker 4: And in season of depression, I realized was very real
Speaker 4: when I was out there.
Speaker 3: How much of the year were you there?
Speaker 4: Ten months a year? Oh, loot of the summer month?
Speaker 4: Like I would get there and you wish you were
Speaker 4: there in June julack because it's like the nature is
Speaker 4: so beautiful, the city really comes alive.
Speaker 5: You can like bite the sea wall.
Speaker 4: It's really dope, and you can do whistler and stuff
Speaker 4: in the winter, but it just rains so much, and
Speaker 4: it was just like, man, I can't catch a break
Speaker 4: every day.
Speaker 5: I'm wet every day i'n wet.
Speaker 3: Devastating. Would you do anything to combat the depression?
Speaker 5: I came back to La a lot.
Speaker 4: I traveled a lot to La I was like, get
Speaker 4: some sunshine, lord.
Speaker 3: What I mean? I do want to visit Vancouver. It's
Speaker 3: a wonderful place.
Speaker 5: It's a beautiful place.
Speaker 4: It really is that I'm not no shots in the
Speaker 4: Vancouver Listener's like, but do you get it?
Speaker 3: They know it.
Speaker 5: Two hundred and sixty five days a year on average.
Speaker 3: That is incredible. Yeah, yeah, it's so bizarre. I can't
Speaker 3: even imagine. I grew up in a desert now I
Speaker 3: live in a desert. It's like I just don't understand weather.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but maybe I.
Speaker 3: Need to experience it at some point two hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty five days so much. Did you buy galoshes? No?
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I just had like some boots I bought off sneakers app.
Speaker 4: But I was like just I was like, what's Nike's
Speaker 4: version of Range?
Speaker 3: I get these? What is their version of a range?
Speaker 5: Like a kind of duck build?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, it's like pretty cool.
Speaker 4: They have a few different versions, and it's like it's
Speaker 4: not like fully rain proof, but it's like it's like
Speaker 4: rain repellent.
Speaker 3: Like more so than a basketball snake. Yes, yes, more so,
Speaker 3: but you could probably still play basketball, and you could.
Speaker 4: That might be a little icy because the bottoms are
Speaker 4: like grip. They have good grip for the slippery even
Speaker 4: though they were a slippery shoes.
Speaker 3: More that thought they would be good.
Speaker 4: But I was like, there were so many times I'm
Speaker 4: like almost eight ship with these fucking dug bills.
Speaker 3: Again, the bottoms just is it like a rubber, rubber. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it feels like a design all. Yeah it was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't weather them anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to get more of a sand paper
Speaker 3: thing or something happening. Sandpaper shoes not a bad idea.
Speaker 3: I'm always coming up with ideas, looking for the next
Speaker 3: big thing. Sandpaper shoes. We've got to talk about something else.
Speaker 3: I have to talk to you about something. Yes, I
Speaker 3: was really excited to have you on the podcast. Thank you, thrilled.
Speaker 3: I saw the email echo wonderful. We're going to have
Speaker 3: a great time. What could possibly go wrong? The podcast
Speaker 3: is called I said no gifts, and yeah, so I
Speaker 3: was a little surprised. I'll say I was thrown when
Speaker 3: I've walked out to my driveway and you were getting
Speaker 3: out of your car and you were holding what was
Speaker 3: clearly a gift for me. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't know even what to say at this point. It
Speaker 3: is a little disrespectful. I I agree to that, and
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 4: Apologetic for I come from a place of ass for forgiveness.
Speaker 4: Not sure, not in everything, not in everything, in a
Speaker 4: very select few things.
Speaker 3: Podcast.
Speaker 4: Yes, I waserve for podcasts. I'm going to ask for forgiven.
Speaker 4: So I hope you can forgive me.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm learning about you and this is something i'm learning,
Speaker 3: and that's fine. Yeah, I mean the gift is here, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's yeah. I mean while you're here, it's here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I would feel uncomfortable opening it after all. Right,
Speaker 3: Well we'll open it here on the podcast.
Speaker 5: It here, Okay.
Speaker 3: It's some of this gorgeous best.
Speaker 5: Beautiful Christmas theme.
Speaker 3: Back, very wintry.
Speaker 4: I would say, white is the driven snow with silver
Speaker 4: hints of of missiletoes and other Christmas type of plants.
Speaker 5: More other Christmas plants.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm pulling it out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh wow. Okay.
Speaker 3: So the first thing I noticed I pulled out a
Speaker 3: book that is bound on the right side rather than
Speaker 3: the left.
Speaker 5: Yes, bound on the right, So I.
Speaker 3: Immediately knew it wasn't an American published books, not an
Speaker 3: American poet. English, I suppose, yes, yes, or English? Yes,
Speaker 3: I mean, or let's see. Okay, so it is printed English,
Speaker 3: but it's.
Speaker 4: It's pritted in English, but it's a Japanese manga, which
Speaker 4: is their version of comic books. Rightly, and you read
Speaker 4: the opposite side of where we read. We read from
Speaker 4: left right.
Speaker 3: They read from right to left, right, and it's chainsaw Man.
Speaker 5: It's called chainsaw Man.
Speaker 4: Uh, it's just to me, it's just a fantastic series.
Speaker 4: Satsuki Fuji Fujimoto, yes, is the creator. He also created
Speaker 4: this series called fire Punch. But Chainsaw Man, you know,
Speaker 4: it was a slow burn for me. But I think
Speaker 4: it's so fun. I've really enjoyed it, and I think
Speaker 4: it's a story.
Speaker 5: That you could enjoy.
Speaker 4: It really relate to I really relate to. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: love anime too. It's just very funny. I've had a
Speaker 4: kind of an anime reawakening in life. I was into
Speaker 4: a big time as a kid, and recently it's kind
Speaker 4: of become some of the only like TV that I
Speaker 4: watch or mangas that are or comics that I read
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, I will say it's interesting to hear something
Speaker 3: called Chainsaw Man described as a slow burn.
Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, like as a series. So there's
Speaker 4: right now, there's thirteen books. This is one which has
Speaker 4: houses multiple comics like actual comics of.
Speaker 3: How they like it, basically multiple episodes, yes, basically.
Speaker 4: Multiple episodes or chapters. They call each comic a chapter.
Speaker 4: Each book has about like five chapters in it, Okay.
Speaker 3: And then but then there are thirteen books, So yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of lot. What a journey Chainsaw Man
Speaker 3: is a journey?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of You can stop at book eleven
Speaker 4: if you want and get a complete story of the
Speaker 4: arc that's happening from Chainsawmn book one to eleven if
Speaker 4: you want, And then book twelve kind of resets a
Speaker 4: little bit and starts and you see other tertiary characters
Speaker 4: and all these other people kind of have a little
Speaker 4: bit of time in the.
Speaker 3: Light soft three boots sort of situation.
Speaker 5: Even though Chainsaw Man is still very prevalent.
Speaker 3: Now, Chainsaw Like the thirteen books, what span of time
Speaker 3: were they published over?
Speaker 4: Two thousand and eight to twenty twenty The first eleven
Speaker 4: and book twelve on out have started coming out since
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: Wow, so it's been around for a minute.
Speaker 5: It's been around, Yeah, almost like almost six years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me about who tell me about Chainsaw Man
Speaker 3: as a man?
Speaker 4: Okay, So Chainsaw Man stars this character named Dingy. He
Speaker 4: is this kind of down on his luck vagrant. His
Speaker 4: father died when he was young and his debts got
Speaker 4: passed to his father.
Speaker 5: His father owed death to the Yakuza.
Speaker 4: And so in this world there are these monsters called devils,
Speaker 4: but they inhabit every detail of everything in our life.
Speaker 4: So for instance, tomato devil, gun devil, blood devil.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, darkness devil.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, tomato devil is one of the first devils
Speaker 4: you'll see inside.
Speaker 3: I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 5: And it's so, but it creates. They create this stuff like.
Speaker 4: Based on human things essentially, or I don't know, tomatoes
Speaker 4: are human thing, it's it's ivering human.
Speaker 5: Yes, inhabit each of these things.
Speaker 4: They're the gods of whatever these things are, essentially. And he,
Speaker 4: to pay off his debt to the Yakuza, is hired
Speaker 4: as a devil hunter. He makes friends with this pet
Speaker 4: chainsaw creature named Pachita. I think that might be there
Speaker 4: will be, and they're betrayed by the Yakuza. The Yacuza
Speaker 4: kills him and like gut some like and kills the
Speaker 4: chainsaw to kills a chainsaw dog. But as as he
Speaker 4: is dead, his blood like cure devils.
Speaker 5: They need human blood.
Speaker 4: So as he's dead, some of his blood drips into
Speaker 4: the chainsaw dog's mouth and devils can make contracts with humans. Okay,
Speaker 4: so they can make a deal. And then he says,
Speaker 4: I will become your heart. Just give me your dreams,
Speaker 4: and Dingy says yes, and he thus it becomes chainsaw
Speaker 4: Man and.
Speaker 3: His dream is to become a man with a chainsaw
Speaker 3: for ahead.
Speaker 4: I mean it is it is a current dream, it's
Speaker 4: a it's a living dream he has essentially, But you
Speaker 4: know it it has a slow burn because sometimes his
Speaker 4: reasoning for wanting to go forward and do it is like,
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's your reason. It can feel like a
Speaker 4: little child or some in some ways. But I think
Speaker 4: the reason why I say it has a slow burn
Speaker 4: is you start to realize why he feels this way.
Speaker 4: Like it feels like I was like, man, this artist
Speaker 4: just was like I'm gonna do something weird. It's like
Speaker 4: like I.
Speaker 5: Was like, what did he do this for?
Speaker 4: But it actually started to make sense tomorrow I read
Speaker 4: it and it started to become like a decent driver,
Speaker 4: right right, Dingy to push forward. But it's really great,
Speaker 4: a lot of great characters.
Speaker 3: And does he still have a dog companion?
Speaker 4: The dog lives in his heart now, so the dog
Speaker 4: becomes his heart. It is his heart. It is his
Speaker 4: new heart. He has a chainsaw string whenever he needs
Speaker 4: to switch to chainsaw man to do devil fighting.
Speaker 5: He's a human being.
Speaker 4: He does go about, he gets he can date, he
Speaker 4: can do this stuff. He gets hired by this group
Speaker 4: of devil hunters or government run group of devil hunters.
Speaker 4: Each nation has their own group, right, But devils are
Speaker 4: like constantly their humanity's biggest threat, right, So they're trying
Speaker 4: to eradicate the devils of the world so that humans
Speaker 4: can live in peace.
Speaker 3: I want to get a peek at him as a person, Yeah,
Speaker 3: get a peek. Is this him? Yeah? And that's the
Speaker 3: dog yea.
Speaker 4: I was right, cut cut such And there's so much
Speaker 4: you learned about this dog and what it means and
Speaker 4: happens later. I dare not spoil it for you.
Speaker 3: I'm very rests. Yeah, there's a lot of like kind
Speaker 3: of scary things, but also some very cute monsters. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: And it looks like there's some romance.
Speaker 5: There's some romance. Oh, there is some romance.
Speaker 3: So you're really into manga and anime. Yeah, do you
Speaker 3: have like a number one favorite?
Speaker 4: My number one favorite right now is Demon Slayer. Okay,
Speaker 4: Demon Slayer, I think is just absolutely fantastic. The story
Speaker 4: is gripping, it's also brutal, it's beautiful, it's heart wrenching.
Speaker 3: And this is an anime or manga.
Speaker 4: It's both well anime spawn from mangah, right, so they
Speaker 4: usually have So Demon Slayer had a run. They did
Speaker 4: it like a twenty six chapter run, and now they're
Speaker 4: catching up and building up the anime to be all
Speaker 4: the chapters of the run.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I I obviously love a lot of anime movies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean a Zaki movies, all these things. But I've
Speaker 3: never watched an anime TV show. I know, because there
Speaker 3: are a billion of them, so many. Where do you begin?
Speaker 5: There?
Speaker 4: There are some I think right now we're kind of
Speaker 4: in a really great error for me personally. An anime
Speaker 4: like Demon Slayer is a really great one, ju Jitsu
Speaker 4: Kaizen is a really great one.
Speaker 5: Chainsaw Man Heal's Paradise.
Speaker 4: I think these are like some really phenomenal stories that
Speaker 4: also talk about the human experience.
Speaker 3: And on the way.
Speaker 4: UH deal with love and loss and and they also
Speaker 4: have a lot of kick ass action and like dope
Speaker 4: fights and.
Speaker 3: Pictures, and you're reading the opposite direction which is a
Speaker 3: novelty in myself.
Speaker 4: You're getting those you're getting that credit on your Apple
Speaker 4: reading daily limit lists as well, and that way.
Speaker 3: I don't know what this is.
Speaker 4: Yeh, So I have like a reading limit that I
Speaker 4: want to hit every day, just make sure that I'm reading,
Speaker 4: you know, so I have my just literally said it
Speaker 4: like five minutes a day, sive minutes a day, like
Speaker 4: nothing crazy, but I read.
Speaker 5: I try to read every day.
Speaker 3: And then do you get onto the app and tell
Speaker 3: it you read this?
Speaker 4: You know you got you hit your goal today or
Speaker 4: you hit your yearly goal, just like let you know,
Speaker 4: like you've read a lot this month, but we managed you.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just like but you like, you have to tell
Speaker 3: it or it does How does it said?
Speaker 5: I think in books you have to say it.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah yeah, So are you reading most of your
Speaker 3: stuff on an ips on my iPad? Now it's beginning
Speaker 3: to make sense.
Speaker 5: I read most of it on iPad?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 5: Oh yes, that's exactly.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, like, how does the phone know?
Speaker 4: Well, I would have given you a iPad it on it.
Speaker 5: It's just the budget was a little cure.
Speaker 3: That'll be you didn't want the.
Speaker 4: Gift and I didn't want to go that big or
Speaker 4: you didn't want it.
Speaker 3: You knew you were experience, you were pushing the rules anyway.
Speaker 3: You didn't want an enormous fight.
Speaker 5: It would be big, big time fight.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, I on my kindle. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it tracks reading prog or like how much
Speaker 3: you're doing a day. I should look into that. I'd
Speaker 3: like something kind of nagging me to read.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like as a gamer, I'm like, of course,
Speaker 5: like sweet, I read.
Speaker 3: I read forty minutes this week. Yeah, I mean that
Speaker 3: will do the trick with basically anything at this point
Speaker 3: is just making it a game.
Speaker 4: I wish we could see the minutes of our lives
Speaker 4: that we spent doing stuff all the time.
Speaker 3: Could you. I'm actually I anything to do with that number.
Speaker 3: I don't want anyone seeing it. I would I think
Speaker 3: I would just collapse upon looking at it.
Speaker 5: But would it? Would it make you adjust some things?
Speaker 3: Probably not, let's be honest. Yeah, yeah, if you were
Speaker 3: looking at that number, what would your guests be? Like
Speaker 3: the highest number of minutes that like you've spent doing.
Speaker 5: Something doing something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to lay out of your life say.
Speaker 4: Video games. Okay, probably because or I mean sleep probably
Speaker 4: is the number one. Sure, but video games as like
Speaker 4: just a thing that I choose to do that I
Speaker 4: don't have to do to exist.
Speaker 5: I think that would be number. That's always been like my.
Speaker 3: First love and passion growing up.
Speaker 4: So I racked up a ton of hours as a kid,
Speaker 4: of course, but then, you know, I think it's a
Speaker 4: way for me to decompress because my life can be
Speaker 4: pretty busy sometimes and so it's just nice to just
Speaker 4: like take a step back and just play a game,
Speaker 4: be a character or whatever.
Speaker 3: What video games are you playing as a kid?
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean you know Mario Brothers, Selda Great teen Years,
Speaker 4: Metal Gear Solid, you know, so Golden Eyes, so many.
Speaker 4: I was, I was playing all the console games going on.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: We had Kaliko Vision It's sorry twenty six hundred, four
Speaker 4: hundred totograph of sixteen say Genesis Sega and it's I
Speaker 4: mean we ran a gam.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's incredible, And you're still playing What sort of
Speaker 3: games are you playing now?
Speaker 5: Right now?
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with this game called Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven.
Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't familiar.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have a great animate to that too.
Speaker 4: I haven't watched it yet though because I don't have Netflix,
Speaker 4: But they have an amazing game that came out three
Speaker 4: years ago, but they totally blew it when they they
Speaker 4: rushed it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of in the news as a disasters.
Speaker 4: Interesting to watch, and it's very sad because it is
Speaker 4: a phenomenal game, not that they've taken the time two
Speaker 4: years to update everything right, fixed the game, fixed the game,
Speaker 4: and it's a fantastic game. So it's just it's sad
Speaker 4: that they rushed it when they really had a banger
Speaker 4: on their hands.
Speaker 3: So this game, you're basically it's just the future and
Speaker 3: you're kind of just running around doing whatever you want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're doing missions as a kind of like you're
Speaker 4: you're kind of a hired gun initially, and then one
Speaker 4: event changes the trajectory of your entire life and you
Speaker 4: have to like figure things out in a really big way.
Speaker 3: What is the event if he dies?
Speaker 4: The event is he dies, then he's rebooted. He installs
Speaker 4: a chip right before he dies, and then is rebooted.
Speaker 4: His neural pathways rebooted by the chip when he dies,
Speaker 4: and now there's a timer on your life before the
Speaker 4: chip completely takes over your whole brain.
Speaker 5: And then the rest of it.
Speaker 4: It's actually so cool because the whole first act you
Speaker 4: think it's this one thing, you and your buddy and
Speaker 4: like you're like getting into the ship and you're like
Speaker 4: oh yeah, and then it completely changes. You're like whoa
Speaker 4: and me either.
Speaker 5: I tried it.
Speaker 4: When the first came out, I was like whatever, whatever.
Speaker 4: I was like, Keanu reads is in his how I
Speaker 4: don't know, I've seen him. And then that even happens
Speaker 4: and every player, everybody who thought were big initially, they're
Speaker 4: all dead. Everyone's fucking dead. Is like dramatic, and you
Speaker 4: have to pick up the pieces. Yeah, he's in your head.
Speaker 4: He's the virus that's taken over your brain to essentially
Speaker 4: replace you to be he will use your body as
Speaker 4: his vessel.
Speaker 3: Essentially die to have ke take over our bodies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would trust him, trust take over. And I assume
Speaker 3: you want to want to watch inside, So what what
Speaker 3: what do you mean watching?
Speaker 4: You're in his brain and this consciousness, but you can't
Speaker 4: do anything, you can't make movements.
Speaker 5: You just like a kind of loan for the ride.
Speaker 3: I would love it to just lay back and let
Speaker 3: somebody else do it everything for me.
Speaker 4: But you can say you're in his brain like consciousness,
Speaker 4: like hey man, what if that's like what's really happening
Speaker 4: to us?
Speaker 5: Like we died.
Speaker 4: They would just go into each other's consciousness and I'm
Speaker 4: like this, dude, don't listen, like I don't.
Speaker 3: Don't go there. Oh just short this idiot, you're dad,
Speaker 3: You're dead.
Speaker 5: And they come up like what I tried to tell you.
Speaker 3: There's a good chance that's happening. We don't know. There
Speaker 3: might be somebody in my head right now. That is
Speaker 3: absolutely I mean, they gave up a long time, like,
Speaker 3: oh this is.
Speaker 5: All now you get it. So now you get it.
Speaker 5: I'm too done. I'm too dune.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, so okay, so I'm now just trying to clarify.
Speaker 3: So you're the guy, but Keano's in your head, yes, okay.
Speaker 5: And you can see Keano.
Speaker 4: He manifests himself physically to you, but no one else.
Speaker 5: Can see him.
Speaker 3: Wow, what a delight.
Speaker 4: It's really cool. It's actually very cool how they did that.
Speaker 4: And how I just shift from act on the act
Speaker 4: too is just completely shift and you're like, whoa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think i've ever really been surprised by
Speaker 3: video game like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always just kind of like this is what
Speaker 3: you're doing and you'll be doing it for fifty hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, which is fine.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmmm hmm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really fun game. CD Project Read Wichard
Speaker 4: three is like one of my favorite.
Speaker 5: Games of all time.
Speaker 4: And yeah, the fact that they finally got this and right,
Speaker 4: I'm like, wow they are. If they can just release
Speaker 4: stuff when it's ready, they could be one of them.
Speaker 5: They could be like another rock Star.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting new part of video games that we
Speaker 3: didn't used to have to deal with was video games
Speaker 3: being released as just a not finished product.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When you know the Nintendo sixty four or whatever, you
Speaker 3: would just the game that was the game that you bought,
Speaker 3: and there weren't downloads or anything. Just kind of nice, right,
Speaker 3: But I guess if they if you've got a bad game,
Speaker 3: it was just forever.
Speaker 4: True true true, But maybe it made them put more
Speaker 4: into not making bad games.
Speaker 3: Right, you have to get it right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There, it's a very like we'll fix it in post,
Speaker 4: we'll fix it post for the release, we'll fix it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, just send out a product like imagine doing
Speaker 3: that with a movie. Here's the unfinished movie. But wait
Speaker 3: Cats Cats?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Cats was the first first I was like, this
Speaker 5: is wow.
Speaker 3: That's not finished. It needed software up there.
Speaker 5: It was very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, Cats is a that's a good call. That
Speaker 3: movie was.
Speaker 4: There was some rough moments everyone's enjoyment.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, rough situation.
Speaker 5: Looked like he was just naked and I was like,
Speaker 5: what is happening?
Speaker 3: All of those people was blackmailed into doing that film
Speaker 3: or something happened.
Speaker 5: I'm like, how who convinced to.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 4: I guess was not Andrew Lloyd Webber himself could go
Speaker 4: walk into someone's home and convinced you did do Cats
Speaker 4: the movie, But somehow someone did well.
Speaker 3: But let's be honest. If Cats came knocking for me,
Speaker 3: for anybody, if Cats came knocking for me, I would say,
Speaker 3: get me in the suit, get me with Dame Judy.
Speaker 4: If Cats came knocking for me, I'm like, Tellico Cats
Speaker 4: and Cat, jelgo Cat. Of course I used to know
Speaker 4: that whole song too, Jelica Cats. I was I knew
Speaker 4: every Cat's part.
Speaker 3: Were you ever in Cats?
Speaker 5: No? I would like a kid, you know.
Speaker 4: Honestly, my first time ever seeing Cats was cast the
Speaker 4: music of the movie.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, the.
Speaker 4: First time I ever seeing I never even heard jelical
Speaker 4: cats before. I mean I've heard of cast like Simpsons
Speaker 4: made fun of Cats. I mean it's been a person
Speaker 4: whenever that stuff. I've never seen the musical music.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't get into musicals into twenty twelve.
Speaker 4: So my first one was Book of Mormons. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: saw where Andrew Reynolds and Josh gat and they blew
Speaker 4: me away.
Speaker 5: I was like, this, this is what musicals can be.
Speaker 4: Big Matt Stone and Trey Parker for I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I gotta see it. And since then
Speaker 4: I've become completely obsessed, obsessed, obsessed, obsessed. So when I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, this comeing to me movies, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, this probably be my only chance to really
Speaker 4: see it. Right, So I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 4: ask these girls, like, let's go see a movie this
Speaker 4: go day. I was like, oh, Cats is all. I was like,
Speaker 4: let's go see a musical. She's like, Okay, this is
Speaker 4: really funny. She's like okay, She's like, are you gay.
Speaker 3: I'm like no, I just like what am I doing
Speaker 3: that could possibly seem gay. But I also like, who
Speaker 3: are you dating?
Speaker 4: Where someone wanted to see a musical means that, like,
Speaker 4: it's just football players, not just like jocks. I can't
Speaker 4: like art like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: I mean, Cats was truly for everybody.
Speaker 5: It was for everyone. It was for everyone. But we
Speaker 5: enjoyed it. She enjoyed it. I mean we didn't enjoy it.
Speaker 4: It was bad, but we enjoyed going to see it,
Speaker 4: like it was like it was nice to watch the
Speaker 4: train Wreck, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know that in any medium that
Speaker 3: anyone's first experience with Cats is like, oh, what an
Speaker 3: incredible show?
Speaker 5: No way?
Speaker 3: Yeah, even on stage, it's like, no, this is a thing,
Speaker 3: a very odd thing that's happening. Yeah, so why not
Speaker 3: have it be a CG nightmare?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Why not? Do you think they should do it practical?
Speaker 3: Oh? I would love a practical. That should be a
Speaker 3: song for the musical practical.
Speaker 5: Stagelical Cats practical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, Andrew start writing.
Speaker 4: I would listen to Jellico Cats on repeat every morning
Speaker 4: in the pandemic, like the first.
Speaker 3: Of what was going on? I should ask are you gay?
Speaker 5: But I was just obsessed. I learned the whole song.
Speaker 4: I would just sing it in like I was thinking
Speaker 4: of pandemic seriously. So I wasn't leaving home except to
Speaker 4: go grocery shopping, and I might I was kind of
Speaker 4: having the time of life too, because like it was
Speaker 4: just me and my friends were just like playing a
Speaker 4: lot more video games because there was nothing else.
Speaker 3: To do, to do nothing, yeah or mere.
Speaker 4: Friends would just watch movies together over like FaceTime or whatever, Netflix,
Speaker 4: watch parties and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: But I just saw Cats had just come out time.
Speaker 3: Winter of nineteen. Yeah, yeah, first sign.
Speaker 4: Yeah, something was wrong, something was about, something was about
Speaker 4: to happen, but it just was somehow it just became
Speaker 4: my theme. Whenever I will up, I would just bump
Speaker 4: Jellicle Cats like on good speakers and just fucking sing it.
Speaker 5: I have videos of it. I was just I never released.
Speaker 4: Them because I was like, people don't need to see
Speaker 4: me like this, but I was loving it.
Speaker 3: Oh that's great. It was that that like on the
Speaker 3: soundtrack or did you put that in a playlist? What
Speaker 3: was the next song that? Okay?
Speaker 4: Oh, so I would go from that to like Wis
Speaker 4: Khalifa's Outer Space Transition, you know. Yeah, so those were
Speaker 4: on heavy repeat.
Speaker 5: During the pandemic, the early pandemic day.
Speaker 3: I feel like Cats is probably full of good samples
Speaker 3: for rap.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: I wonder if anybody's ever sampled Cats.
Speaker 4: Maybe there needs to be a Cat album, a Cat
Speaker 4: sampled album.
Speaker 3: If I mean there, it's there for the and it's ripe,
Speaker 3: it's right. Yeah, of course, I wonder if you moved back,
Speaker 3: you're now, I mean, you are in full sunlight. Look
Speaker 3: at this.
Speaker 4: This is better now, just crossed underneath the.
Speaker 3: The echo is uncomfortable, physically suffering.
Speaker 5: No, you know, I can take this off, do whatever
Speaker 5: you want to do, because.
Speaker 3: I have an under I have a little This is
Speaker 3: a great. Look. Now you're in a really summary Look, okay,
Speaker 3: transitions from winter to summer easily.
Speaker 5: This is okay?
Speaker 3: Should we uh we can like rotate this way and
Speaker 3: you could go over there. It's I mean, this podcast
Speaker 3: is largely about physical movement. It's about in the body. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: just being aware of ourselves physically in a space we occupy. Yes,
Speaker 3: so we've now switched positions. Yes, we're talking about Cats.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 3: What other musicals do you like?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Like, I look, I like a lot of musicals the
Speaker 4: last two year probably was seeing like per years, probably
Speaker 4: seeing like forty musicals or plays.
Speaker 3: Forty yeah four zero, like the.
Speaker 4: Whole I would see all the musicals wow the season
Speaker 4: like in New.
Speaker 3: York, which I move into New York's. I was a bikostal.
Speaker 4: I was back and forth and it was just I
Speaker 4: would see like two music is a week, like just
Speaker 4: I would rush tickets. I would like try to get too.
Speaker 4: I wasn't just like sometimes i'd sit in the mezzanine.
Speaker 4: I didn't care, like if I was always in the org.
Speaker 4: Especially got to a point where I was I don't
Speaker 4: care about being an extra. I just want to see that.
Speaker 4: I just want to see the play or the musical.
Speaker 4: But one of my favorite most recent plays Strange Loop Oh,
Speaker 4: that was fantastic.
Speaker 3: I mean heard nothing but so good.
Speaker 4: I think I saw it five times in as run
Speaker 4: because I was just like I just wanted to see,
Speaker 4: you know, a part of like the first three times
Speaker 4: I saw it.
Speaker 5: First time, I meant to see it.
Speaker 4: Second time it was just a friend was like, you
Speaker 4: told me about the show, so I said, I got
Speaker 4: a chicken. I was like, hell, yeah, I'll go see it.
Speaker 4: And then the third time, like a friend came into town.
Speaker 4: I was like, what should I see it? I was like,
Speaker 4: strange loop, you know what I'm saying. So we went
Speaker 4: and then the thing that happened was I wanted to
Speaker 4: get the entire cast back, so I kept going back
Speaker 4: to see that. It's like collecting yeah, because it was
Speaker 4: like COVID stuff, and some people could so I couldn't
Speaker 4: get those other times the full complete set. So I
Speaker 4: was going back to like complete set because they all were.
Speaker 5: So indistinctly phenomenal.
Speaker 4: And this is nothing not a shot against the very
Speaker 4: very critical understudies, who were right, of course, fantastic, still
Speaker 4: the top of their game, yes still, but everyone's voice
Speaker 4: the original cast was just so interesting and unique that
Speaker 4: even when there was an understudy, I felt it glaringly
Speaker 4: missing that unique voice.
Speaker 3: Wow, except for the lead.
Speaker 4: The lead Jack kel Spevie was I think that's how
Speaker 4: you pronounce his name was absolutely fantastic, and Cal Freeman
Speaker 4: was equally as fantastic. So either one of them, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'll take either lead. It was just the thoughts the
Speaker 4: other six. I was like, I need to have the original.
Speaker 3: Six And did you eventually get that?
Speaker 5: Nope?
Speaker 3: I never got it again. I never got the full.
Speaker 4: I never got the full because I think Antoine, who
Speaker 4: played Thought five, I think he kind of left toward
Speaker 4: the end.
Speaker 5: He didn't.
Speaker 4: I just I justn't think it was that any of
Speaker 4: the shows really. I didn't see him posting about it anymore.
Speaker 4: So I don't really know how they're internally there. I
Speaker 4: think there was something, let's just be honest.
Speaker 5: So then he didn't come back.
Speaker 4: My last two times I didn't see him, and I
Speaker 4: was just like, oh man, because he just had and
Speaker 4: you know, I miss Jason Veasley one time and he
Speaker 4: just brought so much, Like just each one of them
Speaker 4: was just like.
Speaker 3: You are absolutely perfect for these parts.
Speaker 4: And if if there's even a little at it, I
Speaker 4: just felt like you they weren't have to fuel fire,
Speaker 4: even though it's still an amazing show, Like Michael Jackson
Speaker 4: wrote a fantastic show.
Speaker 5: The music is a banger. We want to know. My
Speaker 5: favorite one when the parents like was having in New
Speaker 5: York so good.
Speaker 4: I love that, I really love I mean, ain't no
Speaker 4: mo was great though we got a three three week,
Speaker 4: four week one, but I got to see it on
Speaker 4: this last night. Just crazy. I saw everything I saw thing.
Speaker 4: The minutes was a fantastic play.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, we're getting into territory and like
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 4: Heard oh my god, yeah this this is like kind
Speaker 4: of a deep cut. I didn't expect that. I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 4: I guess I should see something. I was like around, like, oh,
Speaker 4: what happen to say? I haven't seen the minute? Let
Speaker 4: me see this, and it blew me away. It was
Speaker 4: just like a town having a meeting about town business,
Speaker 4: Like they're just like the city council. Oh, and them
Speaker 4: trying to they're taking the minutes in a minute, and
Speaker 4: then it just turned.
Speaker 5: To all this crazy deceit.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like zig when it's I was like
Speaker 4: I was expecting a whole another thing. And then by
Speaker 4: the end, they're all dripping blood from their mouth because
Speaker 4: they're like some type of cult and it's like saying
Speaker 4: it now like this sounds insane, but in.
Speaker 5: The show was like, how the way when did this more?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it has been It's like you realize like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I've been on this journey and holy shit,
Speaker 4: you motherfuckers are wild.
Speaker 3: Keano is in one of those people's heads.
Speaker 4: He's in one of their heads. He's definitely a construct
Speaker 4: in their heads. I've literally seen.
Speaker 3: You should become a critic, like a secret critic.
Speaker 4: I think a part part of my problem is that
Speaker 4: sometimes I'm just like, oh, I like.
Speaker 5: Everything, Like I like, I really enjoyed that. That was cool.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, oh, I don't know if I would
Speaker 5: be able to be tough enough.
Speaker 4: You know, I did see a play out here that
Speaker 4: I left after the second.
Speaker 3: Rough, especially when somebody like who truly loves anything walks away,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, oh no, and I wanted to
Speaker 4: stay though I had to leave, but because something else.
Speaker 4: But I was like, but it was just so bad.
Speaker 4: It was like to me, it was like if chat
Speaker 4: GPT two not even four was told to write a
Speaker 4: play about black trauma.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, and every trope was in this play. It
Speaker 3: was like just checking off a list.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Gay Sons was to be a basketball player, was
Speaker 4: paid by a dand sister who died, and the horrible
Speaker 4: thing that happened with the kids, brother in jail, Daddy
Speaker 4: having a fair on mama. Mama schizophrenia dying from her
Speaker 4: brain disease. Auntie, I was asking Daddy on Mama, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I was just like one or two.
Speaker 4: Now, No, I'm like, dude, you're like throwing every single trope.
Speaker 5: Of black trauma into this play, and it's impurating me.
Speaker 3: At least call it out.
Speaker 4: It was just I was like, there was like parts
Speaker 4: where it's like he's mad and it's like the drums
Speaker 4: are sitting there.
Speaker 5: I was like, he bet and I played them drums.
Speaker 4: He better not, but I'm like, no, stop it.
Speaker 3: It was just like everything.
Speaker 6: I was like, like, there was one part where I mean,
Speaker 6: my friend too, she's a big Broadway person too. We
Speaker 6: like saw plays out in New York, so we were
Speaker 6: excited for this one. And I remember the part where
Speaker 6: the brother's in jail, the sun is gay pussy a
Speaker 6: basketball player but wants to play ballet, and the brother's
Speaker 6: older friend has been like helping around the house and
Speaker 6: blah bah blah. Turns out of course he's having sex
Speaker 6: with the son. Oh sure, right, and so they start
Speaker 6: making out and now we saw this old time.
Speaker 5: I was like, they bet, and I'll start making up.
Speaker 5: There they gonna they start making.
Speaker 4: Out and there's two older woman next to me, Like
Speaker 4: I did not see that coming be like what say that? Like,
Speaker 4: we were just like you got so we just left,
Speaker 4: like we gotta go, we gotta go. I was like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, I had to go. She we left after
Speaker 4: act one. I convinced her to come back for acting inion.
Speaker 4: Well it was three acts rest of all, so Act
Speaker 4: one happened. She was like, I can't do it. We
Speaker 4: have to go act go. I was like what, She's like,
Speaker 4: we can't stay in this. I was like, oh man,
Speaker 4: because I'm like I want to stay for the train wreck.
Speaker 4: Act two. I convince her we're having lunch. I was like,
Speaker 4: we gotta go back. Can we just go back, Let's
Speaker 4: just go back. She's like, okay, fine, let's go back.
Speaker 5: Act two. We go back. It's even wilder, a lot
Speaker 5: of se just we're like, oh my god. Act three.
Speaker 4: I had to go because I had like an appointment somewhere.
Speaker 4: She stayed for Act three.
Speaker 3: I had an appointment somewhere. You were planning to not
Speaker 3: be at the same anyway.
Speaker 4: I didn't notice it was gonna be like three and
Speaker 4: a half hours long. I think it was the thing
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my god, like I have
Speaker 4: to be five like my Lasik. But she watched the
Speaker 4: third act and then was like the thing happened and
Speaker 4: blah blah blah the boy died blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Bad end.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh my god, no, I'm not going
Speaker 4: to say if if you've seen the play, you know
Speaker 4: what play I'm talking about, I'm gonna say the name
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 3: But I feel like there are certainly enough details at
Speaker 3: this point that people know.
Speaker 4: At this I was just like, no offense to any
Speaker 4: people's colors near both was like, a white person have
Speaker 4: to write this. I was like, it just had to
Speaker 4: be a white person and it was not.
Speaker 3: It was I wrote that play. It was my first player.
Speaker 4: I was just like, there's no way, like a black
Speaker 4: person would be tone deaf like this.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: It would have been recommended to you or did you
Speaker 3: just see Literally the friend who recommended me to go
Speaker 3: see Ain't No Mo, which was brilliantful Broadway, saw this play.
Speaker 5: And was raving about I saw I saw them posted.
Speaker 3: I was like, is it good? She's like yes.
Speaker 5: I was like, we're done. So her friend and me
Speaker 5: went to go see it.
Speaker 4: Together because we saw her posts were like, let's go
Speaker 4: see it, and we FaceTime her act one, like.
Speaker 5: What the heck, Like, what's this show? She's like, no,
Speaker 5: it gets better than I to try to acting was
Speaker 5: even worse to.
Speaker 4: Act when I was like whoa anyway, But but you
Speaker 4: still got to respect that this person got it made.
Speaker 3: Maybe it has a place.
Speaker 4: But you know, like I've seen stuff that I'm like
Speaker 4: I didn't like, Like, you know, I saw a slave
Speaker 4: play and I was like, I don't really like this, like.
Speaker 5: But it just I just didn't.
Speaker 4: It just made me feel right, But I wasn't like
Speaker 4: visially like I'm not.
Speaker 3: This is horrible.
Speaker 4: What I was like, I don't agree with this, this
Speaker 4: isn't but this I was just like, you gotta be
Speaker 4: kidding me. You've got to me, yeah, like why are
Speaker 4: you forcing everything? We don't have to deal with every act?
Speaker 3: Oh my, and at least get it done in two acts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to acts drag me through a third and a
Speaker 4: half hours. Harry Potter and the Blood Moan Prince or
Speaker 4: whatever that new show, The Curse Prince.
Speaker 3: You're alter the Blood Moon Prince.
Speaker 5: I think that actually is real. But I would just
Speaker 5: see that.
Speaker 4: On Broadway recently and I was like, oh, let me
Speaker 4: see this, and it's a three hour and forty five.
Speaker 4: I was an hour two, like, man, is this wrapping
Speaker 4: up soon? Like that's a just a dumb I didn't
Speaker 4: look up the time for it, and I.
Speaker 3: Was literally like that doesn't work for me much like.
Speaker 5: I can't do it. I can't see flower kill at
Speaker 5: the flower moment I want to see. It's so bad.
Speaker 3: I didn't see that.
Speaker 5: Three hours and thirty minutes a long movie.
Speaker 3: And I usually my new rule is to leave halfway
Speaker 3: through a three hour movie, regardless of what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I sat through that. Yeah, but over three hours?
Speaker 3: What are we doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna watch it. It's coming tomorrow to digital downloads.
Speaker 4: I wanted to see you'll be able to sit still.
Speaker 4: I'll watch like half and then come back the next
Speaker 4: day or something like that.
Speaker 5: Problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a movie of that length at home will never
Speaker 3: happen for me. Yeah, yeah, I mean, or it will
Speaker 3: take twelve weeks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 3: I have to find myself in a theater trapped.
Speaker 5: Yeah, can't escape if I have.
Speaker 3: Somebody with me, even better, just because some responsibility and
Speaker 3: I'm like got at least say for them. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: three hours is too much, too much, I shouldn't be
Speaker 3: able to travel halfway across the country with your movie.
Speaker 3: No way, probably more than a halfway. I mean it's
Speaker 3: a disaster. Yeah, no, it's ninety minutes.
Speaker 4: Please, oh two hours in under like my friend, my friend,
Speaker 4: even with like no offense, like even with plays and
Speaker 4: musicals too. I'm like, you do not have to do
Speaker 4: a three hour two forty five. Like, give me two
Speaker 4: hours an under no intermission. Lah, I'm in heaven. I'm
Speaker 4: in heaven.
Speaker 3: Incredible. Then you've got the rest of the night.
Speaker 4: Ain't no more and strangers, we're both like ninety two
Speaker 4: one hundred minutes. I don't know, the blessed. That's not
Speaker 4: why they were my favorites.
Speaker 3: They were, but it didn't hurt, didn't hurt.
Speaker 4: But that's why I could go see that so many times,
Speaker 4: like because it's like, oh, seven o'clock show them out
Speaker 4: by nine, you know what I'm saying. It's like eight
Speaker 4: o'clock show, out by ten. You go on a weekend
Speaker 4: eight o'clock show, you're out of eleven thirty is.
Speaker 3: Just like over three hours. That's a once in a
Speaker 3: lifetime experience. Yeah, yeah, never to be done again. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know that I've ever rewatched a three hour movie.
Speaker 5: I don't think I have.
Speaker 4: And there's three hours movies I've enjoyed, like Irishman I
Speaker 4: thought was great.
Speaker 5: Oppenheimer I like, but I'm like not chopping at this.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what world would I sit and watch
Speaker 3: Oppenheimer again? Where I mean body Cast?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no way, that movie should have been two and
Speaker 4: twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: Could were. There were a lot of moments when I
Speaker 3: was thinking, didn't need this that.
Speaker 4: Whole, Like last act, I was like, I don't wire.
Speaker 4: I already saw the thing like not care about you
Speaker 4: and Robert Downey Junior's beef.
Speaker 3: I don't care. I just don't. Let me give me
Speaker 3: the little text. Yeah, just tell me what happened me please?
Speaker 5: You can say then the text, you know, like a
Speaker 5: yeah text.
Speaker 3: You know every movie should end with that text. Give
Speaker 3: me a little hint to what happened, regardless of what
Speaker 3: sort of movies.
Speaker 5: Yeah they should.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even animated movies. I could get into that.
Speaker 5: I could get into that. Yeah, I could too.
Speaker 3: I think we should play a game. Okay, I need
Speaker 3: a number between one and ten from you.
Speaker 5: Seven.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have to do some light calculating right now.
Speaker 3: To get our game pieces. You can recommend, promote, talk
Speaker 3: to the listener, say what you want.
Speaker 4: Don't forget to find time for yourself and life to
Speaker 4: do the things you love. Hobbies are big time. I'm
Speaker 4: into hobbies. Say help. The monotony of things going on
Speaker 4: in life flow through quite easily. Pick up a camera,
Speaker 4: take a photo, go not hike, find a cool coffee
Speaker 4: shop where you can sit and write and just do life.
Speaker 4: Hang out with friends, go see movies, shows, take road trips.
Speaker 4: The surfing lesson is waiting.
Speaker 5: Do it.
Speaker 4: Just follow your passions and life will open up for
Speaker 4: you in so many ways. And do right by yourself,
Speaker 4: your body and your health, and that also will open
Speaker 4: up so many aspects.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean you're a star. You know you
Speaker 3: could have easily just done a bunch of self promotion.
Speaker 3: You're guiding our listeners in the there and their lives
Speaker 3: are messes. They're all you know.
Speaker 4: I'm imagining that if they keep coming back to a
Speaker 4: place where people are constantly disrespecting you by.
Speaker 3: Getting a gift, they must be Yeah, every one of
Speaker 3: them are reck, total wreck. This is how we play
Speaker 3: gift Master. I'm gonna name three celebrities, three people and
Speaker 3: three gifts. You're gonna tell me which gift you would
Speaker 3: give which celebrity and why make perfect sense? Okay? Today,
Speaker 3: the celebrities we have are number one usher, number two
Speaker 3: the predator. So that's uh, we all know the predator.
Speaker 3: Household name. Number three, Hillary Swank.
Speaker 5: I know who that is.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's all we need.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: Frequently the guest does not even know who the person
Speaker 3: is and I don't either, and that's fine. We don't
Speaker 3: need to know every celebrity. The gifts you're giving are
Speaker 3: number one a healthy habit, so you'll be giving them
Speaker 3: a healthy habit in their life. Number two garbage can,
Speaker 3: and number three a down on its luck farm.
Speaker 4: M I'm gonna give the predator a healthy habit because
Speaker 4: it's got to be tough to be a predator. It's
Speaker 4: got to be high stress, like even though you're good
Speaker 4: at what you do, like you're hoting in trees all day, it's.
Speaker 3: Got to take a lot on you.
Speaker 4: You got to take a toll on So I hope
Speaker 4: he gets a healthy habit, maybe like eating salads every
Speaker 4: once in a while, taking a job. Can you imagine
Speaker 4: a predator just jogging like that would be fun, not just.
Speaker 5: Jogging like hey, Frank.
Speaker 3: Walking through a mall.
Speaker 4: He murdered your wife. He predatored your wife because you
Speaker 4: said they predator him.
Speaker 5: They predatored him.
Speaker 3: The the what is it?
Speaker 5: The open farm?
Speaker 3: Down on its luck farm.
Speaker 4: I would give Usher a down on his luck farm.
Speaker 4: I think Usher needs to pull back from a spotlight
Speaker 4: just a little bit. He's in Vegas. He's that that.
Speaker 4: You know, he's just working so much too. You know,
Speaker 4: I could have given him a good healthy habit too,
Speaker 4: But I think he needs some down on the farm time.
Speaker 4: He needs to like grow some hay.
Speaker 3: Get he needs to get back to just connect with
Speaker 3: the earth.
Speaker 5: He needs to get get.
Speaker 4: A cow, have like four chickens where he's like eating
Speaker 4: eating eggs every day, you know, justly supplying a family.
Speaker 3: She would really appreciate that. I think he would, like
Speaker 3: anyone who's like trapped in a casino.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mega millions NonStop, like he deserves that. And then
Speaker 4: the garbage can. I guess I'm gonna give it to
Speaker 4: Hillary Swain.
Speaker 3: Silence after that, I.
Speaker 5: See her face, my head.
Speaker 3: All picture Hillary.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what movie was she she was in?
Speaker 3: Some movie?
Speaker 4: I think like an alien was gonna do something. I
Speaker 4: think I'm not confusing her with Amy Adams.
Speaker 3: These are the two things I know she's in. Yeah,
Speaker 3: million Dollar Baby, Yes, that's right. She's a boxer, and
Speaker 3: most recently something called Alaska Daily, which was a drama
Speaker 3: on ABC that I became kind of obsessed with because
Speaker 3: it was a drama on ABC. Oh wow, yeah, very
Speaker 3: fun to watch. Yeah, but those are the two things
Speaker 3: I know her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she wasn't million dollar Baby, but a good actor.
Speaker 4: Good actor in that face you said that baby was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's it. That's what I thought it was. Yeah, she
Speaker 4: because she probably has like trash that she needs to.
Speaker 3: Throw out, right, she's probably producing so much, so much
Speaker 3: just opening packages and just trash all of our house,
Speaker 3: like just litter bug all of our house.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's the secret. That's the story anyway
Speaker 4: going on about her. Of course I read it onlineal
Speaker 4: litter bug, cereal litter bug.
Speaker 3: This woman will not stop dropping.
Speaker 4: Throw stuff at the trash, but not into it from
Speaker 4: one of her So give her that trash, can Hillary,
Speaker 4: if you're listening, change your ways, yes please?
Speaker 3: That should be her renaissances. Yeah, throwing away garbage, garbage
Speaker 3: in the garbage. She should that'll probably spark some things
Speaker 3: far yeah, yeah, yeah, well beautifully played. Excellent. This is
Speaker 3: the final segment of the podcast. It's called I said
Speaker 3: no emails people write into I said no gifts at
Speaker 3: gmail dot com begging for help, desperate as we you know,
Speaker 3: we were talking about, their lives are a disaster. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: so people need help, You're confused. They just need advice,
Speaker 3: So well, help me answer a questions? Sure, yeah, all right,
Speaker 3: let's see here. This is deer bridger and well meaning
Speaker 3: but rude guest seems appropriate. I have a philosophical gift
Speaker 3: giving question for you that feels relevant with the winter
Speaker 3: holidays coming up. Well, this is airing in January, so
Speaker 3: but that winter holidays are always coming up. My husband
Speaker 3: and I prefer to give experiences as gifts concerts, theater outings,
Speaker 3: comedy shows, et cetera. But there are a couple things
Speaker 3: that hang me up about these gifts. Number One, if
Speaker 3: you are purchasing two tickets to a concert, are both
Speaker 3: tickets the gift or is only one person's ticket the gift?
Speaker 3: For example, I would spend around two hundred dollars on
Speaker 3: my husband for Christmas. But if one ticket is one
Speaker 3: hundred dollars and we both plan on attending, I've already
Speaker 3: spent that two hundred dollars budget. And number two, how
Speaker 3: far ahead of or after a holiday, birthday, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Can tickets still be considered a gift for that occasion?
Speaker 3: For example, if I gift someone tickets in December for
Speaker 3: an event in March, is that still considered a Christmas gift?
Speaker 3: Thank you for your kind consideration, odra A U d
Speaker 3: r A. That's gotta be awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think that's odre.
Speaker 3: These are good questions, So I actually these are things
Speaker 3: that are that people need to consider.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people need to consider number For the second part,
Speaker 4: the timing of the gift does matter, even if it's
Speaker 4: not a gift you can't cash in till later. If
Speaker 4: you are gifted a gift on Christmas, even though that
Speaker 4: gift might not happen to March, I still think accounts,
Speaker 4: especially if that gift in March is something that you
Speaker 4: want a concert. It's like if I give you Stevie
Speaker 4: Nikkets Stevie Nickas, if I give you Stevie Nickas tickets.
Speaker 3: We all know.
Speaker 4: Stevie Nicklas great artists, and that's still a gift, right, Yes,
Speaker 4: as long as it's not like something for me.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: But because now that goes back to the first question.
Speaker 3: But let's let's focus on this for a moment, because
Speaker 3: but like, what if the what if whatever, the Stevie
Speaker 3: Nicketts and Fleetwood back are performing in August and you
Speaker 3: give it on Christmas.
Speaker 4: That's too far, too far, that's too far. There has
Speaker 4: to be a statue of limitations.
Speaker 3: I think it's a rounding up situation.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think if it's the first six months of the year,
Speaker 3: that's closer to the Christmas. If it's the next six months,
Speaker 3: it's closer to the other Christmas.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I have a saying that goes before three t I
Speaker 4: mean before three months.
Speaker 3: It's good. You know you did a.
Speaker 5: Little fun laugh TI.
Speaker 3: You know you've always said that.
Speaker 5: I've always said that that didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay that I think that feels safe. Now.
Speaker 3: The other thing is very interesting to me. Yes, if
Speaker 3: you buy two tickets and one is for yourself, is
Speaker 3: that part of the gift budget or is that I
Speaker 3: have an opinion I want to hear YOURSLF.
Speaker 4: Yes, well, gift budget is interesting to me, but I
Speaker 4: guess people do that, which is totally fine. But to me,
Speaker 4: it's like it doesn't have to be an exact Apples
Speaker 4: for Apple right gifts no judgment, like you shouldn't judge
Speaker 4: me if you know whatever, But I do think you
Speaker 4: need to put some thought into it. I would say
Speaker 4: it depends if you want to go see Beyonce's Renaissance
Speaker 4: tour because she's your favorite artist and you listen to
Speaker 4: her NonStop, and you really want to go with me,
Speaker 4: and he want us to get and you want to
Speaker 4: get tickets, and I give you on your birthday Beyonce
Speaker 4: Renaissance tickets and I'm the one going with you. I
Speaker 4: still think that counts unless we both love Beyonce right equally? Yes, right,
Speaker 4: So I think it would depend on right, is it
Speaker 4: a gift truly for you or is it for us?
Speaker 5: Right? Because I think if it's just for you, then yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think if it's if the giver, let's say the
Speaker 3: giver doesn't even want to go, yes, and they buy
Speaker 3: two tickets, then it's a gift. But if the giver
Speaker 3: does want to go, you're just buying you would have
Speaker 3: bought it anyway. Yeah, that's part of the budget.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is why I'm like those gifts should just
Speaker 4: let's get rid of those. That's not a Christmas, that's
Speaker 4: not in a budget, that's not that. I'll just do
Speaker 4: something different and then we'll still go to do that, right.
Speaker 3: I was going to go anyway, and now I bought
Speaker 3: your tickets.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can't count your enjoyment as part of
Speaker 3: their no presence, and.
Speaker 4: You might enjoy the Beyonce concert even if you don't,
Speaker 4: even if you're not like Jones and the go I
Speaker 4: did this recently.
Speaker 5: I went to the Beyonce concert. I did too, and
Speaker 5: it was fun.
Speaker 4: But it's not like I'm not like, Ooh, Renaissance tours
Speaker 4: coming up, you know.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh, there's a nice tick.
Speaker 5: Yes, sure I'll go. You know.
Speaker 3: Is that how your That was my experience. My friend said,
Speaker 3: do you want to go to Beyonce tonight? I was like, well,
Speaker 3: of course I do.
Speaker 4: Well no, my girlfriend definitely wanted Beyonce tickets, so it
Speaker 4: was like she wants to got a renaissance tour. So
Speaker 4: I was like, I will get us tickets, you know,
Speaker 4: But I went with her, but it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't your priority.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, Beyonce is a fantastic artists. All
Speaker 4: you might have some fantastic.
Speaker 3: They are leaving horrible reviews and I loved it.
Speaker 4: It was so fun. The concert was so fun. But
Speaker 4: I just think it just the context man is right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that we came together in a beautiful
Speaker 3: way on this. I think. I mean, let's be honest,
Speaker 3: Audra just came with some things that she should have known. Yeah,
Speaker 3: these are some she's just begging for attention. Yeah, she
Speaker 3: knows the answer to both of those. They were in
Speaker 3: her heart the entire time, and she just wanted to
Speaker 3: write into the podcast.
Speaker 5: Shame, I mean shame. I can't blame her, but also shame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Odra, you have your answers that you already had,
Speaker 3: and you basically cheated the podcast. She's stealing from the podcast. Yeh,
Speaker 3: she's stealing our listeners time. So shame, Yeah, shame, But
Speaker 3: there are the answers for hopefully somebody else learned something.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm hmm, echo what a I mean, this has
Speaker 3: been wonderful. I've got I have something to read, chainsaw man,
Speaker 3: I've never read manga before. Maybe this will open something
Speaker 3: in my brain.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe.
Speaker 3: And we answered Odder's question. Yeah, I mean Usher is
Speaker 3: gonna be picking strawberries or something in no time. He's
Speaker 3: gonna be having the time of his life.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The garbage situation has been dealt with. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I can remember the other two. Predator's jogging through.
Speaker 5: President just shogging a little healthy habit.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like he's gonna kill it. Oh no, he's just working.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, he's finally taking care of him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was getting a little old. The little bunch
Speaker 4: was coming out, don't you think Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: He's getting ready for.
Speaker 4: He's been missing all his spirit. Throws at me. I've
Speaker 4: hit me in years. He's fallen off. The brenad has
Speaker 4: fallen off. Honey, he can save the outside again.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being Thank you so much. Listener.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've you're almost at the bottom of the mountain.
Speaker 3: This has been the ski trip of your life. You've survived.
Speaker 3: You thought you were going to freeze to death and
Speaker 3: the wilderness, but you're going to make it and you're
Speaker 3: going to appreciate life even more. The podcast is over.
Speaker 3: Get going, do whatever you need to do. It's over.
Speaker 3: I love you, goodbye, I said, No Gifts is an
Speaker 3: exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Analise Nelson,
Speaker 3: and it's beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. And we couldn't
Speaker 3: do it without our guest booker, Patrick Kottner. The theme song,
Speaker 3: of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Mann.
Speaker 3: You must follow the show on Instagram at I said
Speaker 3: no gifts. I don't want to hear any excuses. That's
Speaker 3: where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous
Speaker 3: gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures
Speaker 3: of the gifts?
Speaker 4: And invit?
Speaker 3: Did you hear?
Speaker 2: Fun? A man myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest
Speaker 2: to me, you gotta come to me empty.
Speaker 1: And I said, no, guest, your own presence is presents enough.
Speaker 1: I already had too much stuff, So how do you
Speaker 1: dare to surbey me