1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hunt's let's go, 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Let's Giants, Get my Giantsubble, give me some jobs. Part 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: of the Giants podcast network. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: Let's Roll. 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Giants Little podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 6 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 3: the official bank of the New York Football Giants. John 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 3: schmelk Our weekly spot with Showon O'Hara. It's usually Tuesdays, 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 3: but it's Wednesday because the Giants played on Monday. 9 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL schedule. When you don't play on 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: Sunday at exactly, just. 11 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: Check your phone to figure out what day it is 12 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: and just look at the calendar. You've got everything lit 13 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: up right there. But last week we talked about I 14 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,639 Speaker 1: made the NBA jam. Yes, like reference, like you make 15 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: two shots in a row. He's heating up. The Giants 16 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: are on fire right now, like the rim is literally smoking, 17 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: and the net is gone, is disintegrated. 18 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: And the guy that can do no wrong? 19 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: What does it feel like living in Tommy DeVito's world 20 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 3: showing O'Hara's a Jersey guy. 21 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: Let me just tell you so. Driving to the stadium, 22 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm listening to your pregame with Jonathan Casillas, like I 23 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: always do listen to my boys take care of it. 24 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: You got to go to commercial and guess who comes 25 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: on as the radio commercial is Tommy DeVito Senior. Hey, 26 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: this is tom DeVito Senior, Tommy DeVito's dad. 27 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: He was in here recording that. I recorded it with him. 28 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, I've been a plumber for twenty five years. 29 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: I only install peerless boilers. It was like a whole 30 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: read for peerless boilers and how they're the best peerless boys, 31 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: and he can do it faster than anybody and better 32 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: than anybody. And of course the call sign call off, 33 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: his sign off was and and if you don't call 34 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: Tommy Davido Plumbing to install your peerless boiler, forget about it. 35 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: Anybody else. It's a fugezy. I mean it was I'm 36 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: trying to gain on, like this is the complete takeover. 37 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: And of course the game happened and it was even better. 38 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: And the funny thing is that I think from just 39 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: watching him in the stands and you know, the stogy 40 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: at the at the tailgate before the game, he was 41 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: a very low key, pretty soft spoken guy, like it's 42 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: not and I think Tommy's the same way. 43 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: By the way, I think people see these guys as like. 44 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: These loud of noxious Jersey Italis, Yeah, which is kind 45 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: of what the old, you know, bad Jersey Shore characterure is. 46 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: That's not what these guys are. 47 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: Like. This is not snooking. 48 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: No, they're actually a very low key group, believe it 49 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: or not. 50 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: But you know what, if I'm sitting there, I'm not 51 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 3: a all out there guy. But if my kids out 52 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 3: there playing for the Giants on a Sunday, guess what 53 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: I'm going nuts too. Oh yeah, I mean, it's it's 54 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: it's just it's such It's a great essential New York story. 55 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: It's a great point you're making because it's they are 56 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: like the dad, like I mentioned, he's a plumber, he's 57 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: a blue car guy. This guy's been working his butt off, 58 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: and Tommy has seen that his mom is wearing a 59 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: Tommy Cutlet Cutlets sweatshirt customized like any mom and dad 60 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: would do. They're just soaking it all up and enjoying 61 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: celebrating their son. You know, there's some kissing involved too, 62 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: you know with the agent Sean Stiletto. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 63 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: I think we're like the same age, so I think 64 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: we're just kind of getting into it. But like the 65 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: whole thing is it's just really cool. And I think 66 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: for Giants fans, like they've embraced the Tommy DeVito and 67 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: his family as like he's one of us, Like this 68 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: is one of our own Jersey boy New York Giants, 69 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: like playing right here, Like it's a great story, Like 70 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Hollywood couldn't make a script better than this. And the 71 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: fact that he's playing great. He's been phenomenal, He's gotten 72 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: better every single week. The fact that he's playing is 73 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: the best part of the story. Is how well he's playing, 74 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: how he's willing back to back games, like takes the 75 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: team down for a game winner. 76 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought the difference in this game, and yeah, 77 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: he made the big throw to Wandell on that atwar 78 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: Wandell And we'll talk about him too, because I thought 79 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: he was his best game as a Giant, where he 80 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: basically turns around that slot corner off the line of scrimmers, 81 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: did a great job on it. But what I thought 82 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: what Tommy Divido did so well in this game. The 83 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: design running was great, but the Packers were getting pressure 84 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: on him right, especially early in the game. They ran 85 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: a lot of stunts and twists and they were getting 86 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: guys in the backfield. But as you well know, Sean, 87 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: when you run those stunts and twists, you leave gaps. Yea, 88 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: these guys are running around, and I thought Devido did 89 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: a great job of quickly identifying the pressure, seeing those 90 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: gaps and getting through them before the pressure could get home. 91 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: And I think while teams the past couple weeks had 92 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: almost left a second level defender, not as a true spy, 93 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: but close to the line of scrimmage, and then they 94 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: would clean up after the Fato broke out of the pocket. Well, 95 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: the Packers are playing their typical deeper zone, and he 96 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 3: would have seven eight nine yards of daylight after he 97 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: got through that initial pressure. 98 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he did a great job, because you can't always 99 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: step up in the pocket. Sometime, depending on if it's 100 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: coming from a twist, you kind of have to escape, 101 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, out of the side, And I think he 102 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: did a great job recognized that right away, and then 103 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: he got the ball out too. 104 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 105 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: Coming into this game against the Greenia Packers, he'd been 106 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: sacked an unbelievable mount of time. It was twenty times 107 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: in three games, yeah, sir, and a lot of it 108 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: was because he was holding on to the ball and 109 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: it was almost like he was stuck on his read. 110 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: There was none of that, not one sack in the game. 111 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: So kudos to the OLAMA. 112 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, they did a really nice job. 113 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: And you know, we talked about the matchup with Tyree 114 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: Phillips and Rashaan Garry had to get to this game 115 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: because run Shawn Gary no joe top ten pass rusher 116 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: in the NF Oh, he's excellent player. One quarterback hit 117 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: from that, Phillips gave up the whole game and that 118 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: was on a twist, not even on a one on 119 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 3: one play. Yeah, and there was some pressure giving up 120 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 3: inside by the offensive line, but on the edges, and yeah, 121 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: did Phillips get some help sometimes with chips and stuff. 122 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: That's fine, don't care. Rashan Gary was quiet. 123 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: He's been a game wrecker and you really didn't call it. 124 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: You didn't hear his name called at all, and that 125 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: was huge. I thought Andrew Thomas played really well on 126 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: the other side against Preston Smith, no surprise veteran. I 127 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: think up front they did a great job keeping Tommy fresh, 128 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: keeping them clean. And then in the run game, while 129 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: it maybe maybe wasn't a great start to the game 130 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: offensively and rushing the football. The big runs came in 131 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. That's when you want to kind of 132 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: pop that big one. And you know, Kudus to Kafka 133 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: and the dable the first staying patient with the run 134 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: and keep it consistently, going back to it. 135 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: And it's funny that almost goes back. And this felt 136 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: like and I'll circle back to the Vito and Robinson, 137 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: but this felt like a twenty twenty. 138 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: Two Giants win, right. 139 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you run with the quarterback, you win situationally, 140 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: you're better in the red zone then the other team. 141 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: You win the turnover battle. You make big plays when 142 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: you need to. At the end of the game, your 143 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: guy makes the kick, You make a couple big plays. 144 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 3: And they tried to close the game with the run again, right, 145 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: And this is what they did constantly at the end 146 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: of games last year. Now, unfortunately Saquon fumbles the football 147 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: if he doesn't do it. Yeah, they probably run the 148 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: ball four or five more times on that drive game over, 149 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: and the Packers might you know, if they get the 150 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: ball back, it's only with a couple minutes to go, 151 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: and it's gonna be a real tough spot. For them, 152 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: and they might be down two scores, but this felt 153 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: like the formula from twenty twenty two finally showing up 154 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. 155 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you watch the game, like, at no point 156 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: did you think that the Giants weren't gonna win the game, 157 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: Like it felt like they were in control the entire time. 158 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: And it's pretty wild, like this is the NFL. Right, 159 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: So eight days before that game, the Packers beat the 160 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: defending Super Bowl champions in Kansas City Chiefs, and yet 161 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: the Giants were basically manhandling them. 162 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 3: And ten days before that, by the way, they won 163 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: in Detroit against the line team they had two losses. 164 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's remarkable. And then get during that game, 165 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, the offense is playing really well. 166 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: The defense is playing lights out. I mean, the sticky 167 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: coverage was everywhere. Jordan Love, i mean he looked pedestrian, 168 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: and you never felt like this game was going to 169 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: get away from us. To your point, totally different this 170 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: year compared to last year. Last year we won all 171 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: the close games and then even when Saquan fumbled the ball, 172 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh. And then when they 173 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: went down and scored you know what, there was still 174 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: there was a lot of belief. I don't I feel 175 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: like the team believes in the office. The defense trust 176 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: the offense now, and the offense that that trust is 177 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: now kind of all of a sudden starting to create 178 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: a little energy and a little more physical nature from 179 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: the defense because they're like, hey, the offense is scoring points, 180 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: all right, let's go, guys, we got a shot to 181 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: win it. So complimentary football is what they call it. 182 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't like using that cliche, but both teams are 183 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: feeding off of each other, and that's when you know 184 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: you have a good team. 185 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: Is that because you got tired of Tom Coughlin saying 186 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: it for ten years in your career. 187 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: I just hear I hear it, and it's just like, 188 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: what does that even mean? Complimentary? That sounds so gentleminely like, oh, compliment, 189 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: we want to compliment each other. No, this is football. 190 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: You want to smash somebody in the face. Compliments. Keep 191 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: your compliments yourself. 192 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: Back to de Vito, you mentioned it. I think they 193 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: did a good job of getting the ball out quickly. 194 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: So many of his passes were within ten yards of 195 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: a line of scrimmage. Only I think five passes. I 196 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: don't have enough from me. I looked it up yesterday 197 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: and I was half asleep. I believe it was five 198 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: passes that traveled more than ten yards in the air 199 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: and he completed. 200 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: Four of them. 201 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: So when they did ask him to throw the ball 202 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: down down the field, and I think there was only 203 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 3: one pass of twenty more yards and I'll talk to 204 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: you about that in a second. But when they did 205 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: throw it down the field that he was successful. And 206 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: Wanda Robinson was a big part of that. And you 207 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: know they like running that slot player on all. 208 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: Those deep over routes across the field. Right. 209 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: That's kind of what that Brian Davil offensive system is. 210 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 3: And it's not just the Giants. A lot of teams 211 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: do that. You want to get your fast guys in 212 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: space and creat room. And I think what happened on 213 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: that last play, I think they were anticipating the same 214 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 3: type of deal, right, and one they comes off the line, 215 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: you can tell he takes that little step inside, the 216 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 3: corner turns and all of a sudden he breaks to 217 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: the little flag route and the corner got turned around 218 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: and he eight yards of separation and the veto hit 219 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: him right on the money and allowed him to turn 220 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 3: it off field in the game extra yards after the catch. 221 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great play design. And we heard Brian 222 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: Dable talk after the game. He said, what did you 223 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: say to Tommy DeVito right before the last time? And 224 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: he said, we got a bunch of players you like, 225 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: go out there and let it rip, you know, And 226 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: that's one of those things where you know, what does 227 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: our guy throw. Well, they've seen Tommy in practice. They 228 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: know like he run, he throws that post route or 229 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: that corner route. Really well, it's all timing because you've 230 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: got to throw that ball sometimes before the receiver has 231 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: made that break because you're leading him that same kind 232 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: of throw. Actually, the very first third down of the game, 233 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: Tommy missed it off the sideline I think it was, 234 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: and that was the receiver's wide open, he's kind of late. 235 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: That was to the left. So now every quarterback will 236 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: tell you when you're throwing the ball to the right 237 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: as to the left, it's different because when you're to 238 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: the right, you're more open, like you don't have the hip. 239 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: When you're throwing to the left, your hip you almost 240 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: kind of get. You can get a little more juice 241 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: on it. 242 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: Because your hip your body is naturally closed. 243 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: You're kind of like you're kind of like torquing the 244 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: hip to get your shoulders through so you can can 245 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: of sail the ball on that. But I think that's 246 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: also a big part of this is, Look, Tommy did 247 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: not take any reps in training camp or early on 248 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: when Tyrod was the backup. He was taking no reps 249 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: with the first or second team offense. So even for 250 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: Kafka and for dable to know what does he do well, 251 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: it's taking them some time too, and they can look 252 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: at it and say, all right, even over the Bie, 253 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: we kate, what is what are the plays that he's 254 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: doing really well in practice? 255 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: And Kafka told me that's what they did change on us, 256 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: And that's what he did, he said, And Tommy we 257 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: you know, interviewed him on the pregame. Here you heard 258 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: the interview, and Tommy said, look, in the bye week 259 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 3: we sat down, or every week when we do game plans, 260 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: if there's a play in the game plan where I 261 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: say I'm not sure about that one, they just dump it. 262 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: They don't put in there, they take it right out. 263 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: So he said, he was very complimentary about how responsive 264 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: dable and Kafka has been to his input and he's 265 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: like and even said on the interview, goes and look 266 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: to their. 267 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: Credit, they don't have to do that. 268 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: Like I've been around coaches were like, no, no, this play works, 269 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: it's in you figure it out. 270 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: That's not what they're doing with them. They're trying to 271 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: customize their game plan to a strength. 272 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the gunny way from a heartbreak ridge, you 273 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: know that kind of it's it's all it's funny. It's 274 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: kind of like being a parent, right, and it's like 275 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out what does your kid eat? 276 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: Like what will you eat for breakfast or for lunch? 277 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: Like if I'm gonna make this macaroni and cheese, you 278 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: damn well better eat it. If I'm if I go 279 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: through the whole process of making this, and then you 280 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: say I don't like that, Like what do we like? 281 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna sit there and force them to eat the 282 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: maca cheese? 283 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 2: Won't eat rice? Rice? 284 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: Like that's a great play. Can I show you the highlights? 285 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: Scored unbelievablemounts of touchdowns on this play? You don't like 286 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: the play? What's wrong with you? Okay? Fine? You want 287 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: chicken nugget. 288 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: It's fine. That's a chicken nuggets. 289 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: There we go. 290 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: That's exactly fine. You want peanut butter and. 291 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: Jelly, Okay, peanut butter and jelly for breakfast. Whatever you're 292 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: you're not wrong. 293 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: That's why it's so funny. 294 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: And I would have give all that Robinson credit to 295 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 3: because he bailed out Timmy. 296 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: If you don't on that. 297 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: Fleet fla he had great adjustment. 298 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: No business throwing that pass linebacker underneath safety over the top. 299 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: If he leads him properly, that's it. It's just like 300 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: the Pinnock play. That's an interception goal on the other way, 301 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: and he threw it. I I'll give him the credit 302 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: for it. I don't know what was going through his 303 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: head as Lott he back shouldered it on purpose, the 304 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 3: linebacker runs past him and he ends up making the play. 305 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: But really, one of the few times this year we've 306 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 3: seen a wide receiver on this team make a play 307 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: that was kind of above the x's and o's, and 308 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 3: that was a. 309 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: Huge play in the end. 310 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we might be giving him a little too much 311 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: credit if we say he backed shoulder throwed, because I 312 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: don't know that anybody's ever said that on a flee flicker, 313 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: like Hey, we're gonna run. 314 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: This play. 315 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: Like you run a back shoulder throw in in the 316 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: red zone on a fade rounte and the defenders over 317 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: the top, or Hey, I'm gonna like it's a run play, 318 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna throw the back shoulder a quick pass. Well, 319 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: giving the benef of that song, you know what, that's 320 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: just that's a quarterback also saying look, I'm gonna give 321 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: my quarterback, my receiver a shot to make a play. 322 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: And he was feeling it at that point. Yeah, he 323 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: loved a little bit as. 324 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: A quarterback, like you do, throw it up there, let 325 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: the guy make a play, and Wandell certainly did a 326 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: great job of justing on that ball in the. 327 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: Air and then defensively, Sean, you brought it up before him. 328 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: By the way. 329 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 3: Giants Little podcast brought to you by Citizens Official Bank 330 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: of the Giants from Game Dead every Day, Citizens has 331 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: made ready for Giant fans with insights, guidance, and solutions. 332 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: Learn more at Citizens bank dot com. 333 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: Defensively, we talked heading into the game about how you 334 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: can't really judge the Packers by their overall stats. 335 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: During the year because They were frankly not a very 336 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,239 Speaker 2: good team the first. 337 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: Four to five six games and struggling. 338 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: The defense was struggling. It just wasn't working for them. 339 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: But the last three games, four games, they look great. 340 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: Well. 341 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: The Giants defense made this Packer offense look like the 342 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: team that was playing the first four or five games 343 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 3: of this year. Jordan Love was all over the plays 344 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: as past. His passes were scattershot, and they just could 345 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 3: not do much in the passing game. And I give 346 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: one credit, you know, man defense. I looked it up 347 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: by the PFF metrics under twenty percent cover one in 348 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: this game. They played a lot something yeah, exactly, Yeah, 349 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 3: I think there are around forty And that's why I 350 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 3: think the Packers ran so much of that quick underneath stuff. 351 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: I feel like the Packers have been running that slant 352 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: flat combination on the outside since you know, basically Parthy 353 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: was there. Yeah, and they just kept trying to get 354 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: the Jayden Reid in space and a bunch of short 355 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: stuff because the Giants broke some tendencies and played a 356 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: lot more zone. 357 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah they did. And you know what, like they got 358 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 1: pressure too, like you know, and it's not always a 359 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: bunch of sacks, and you know, it doesn't have to 360 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: be seven sacks. It could just be getting to the 361 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: quarterback hitting them. Ojalari got in on one, you know, 362 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: Dexter and Caveon. You know, there was a bunch of 363 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: guys that kind of shared all that. But I think 364 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: some of those sacks, you know, it was because of 365 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: the covers. The covers are so good. Now you go 366 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: back to the start of the game, Jordan Love missed 367 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of throws. 368 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: Early on short, easy one. 369 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the cold or the 370 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: wind or whatever, but you know it is. 371 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: Then the CBS or Fox rather kept showing for the 372 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: Floor on the sideline after the mispasses, and He's just like. 373 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I come up with a great play, I 374 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: did great design. 375 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: I gave it your chicken nuggets, and you still can't 376 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: make the throw. 377 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: Would happen you dropped the plate, dropped, they dropped the floor. 378 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: Now you gotta eat with your hands. Yeah, frustration definitely 379 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: setting it and for him, you know, look, I'm sure 380 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: you guys talked about this at NAUSEM last week, like 381 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: La Floor had never lost a game. In December sixteen, 382 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: Packer coach so they've been phenomenal. From that standpoint, I 383 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: thought Jordan struggled early on in the game, and then 384 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: I think that kind of got into his head, like 385 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: all right, now, you know he's thinking about the throws, 386 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: but why so you mentioned wing Martindale like Wink's gonna blitz, 387 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna bring pressure. But he was definitely more reserved. 388 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: And I think they actually had they Stole had about 389 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: a forty percent blitz rate. But again, it wasn't that. 390 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: I don't I don't think it wasn't. I don't think 391 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: I saw cover zero once the whole game. Just thinking 392 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: about when I just rewatched the tape this morning, I. 393 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: Think maybe that that that throw where Romeo Dobbs caught, 394 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: it looked like a touchdown against Dori Jackson. 395 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dory Jackson job pushing him at a bound. 396 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was good. That might have been zero, I 397 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: can't remember. But the Corners were playing phenomenal and the 398 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: Dory had a great game. Deontay Banks played his butt off. 399 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: I mean he led the Giants and tackles. I think 400 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: he had twelve tackles in addition to that touchdown, saving 401 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: capacity knocked down. 402 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: I would have voted for the guy not to get 403 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: three yards of separation first. But yes, I will take 404 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: the past, the flag. 405 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: I'll take. I'll take recovery speed any day. Now. Next level, Dante, 406 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: go ahead and pick it off like like if you can, 407 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: if you have time to reach out there and do that, 408 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: like get the other hand in there and make that 409 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: an interception. 410 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: And he had struggle again his head around at points 411 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: this year, so I think it was really good that 412 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: he did to definitely progress. 413 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: I think defensively, the one thing that just kind of 414 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: jumped out him it was there was a lot of 415 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: mistackles and that's kind of been something that has really 416 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: plagued this defense all season long, tackling in space, like 417 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: AJ Dillon is a freaking load, Like he looked like 418 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: Jerome Bettis out there sometimes like bouncing off guys Xzavid 419 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: McKinnie Chimore on the sideline and he got sent in 420 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: the next week. And AJ Dillon's he's a tough guy 421 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: to tackle. But there was a lot of There was 422 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: too many big plays that happened, not because the guy 423 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: wasn't there, it wasn't in position, it was because he 424 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: didn't make the tackle. 425 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, really quickly, Sean before you 426 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: say goodbye here, anything else you want to talk about 427 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: in the pack of game before we move on next 428 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: week to say. 429 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: You know what, I just I want to say thank 430 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: you the Giants fans for coming out. I was Monday 431 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: night football. There's a lot going on. The Knicks were playing, 432 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, there was there was another Monday night football 433 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: game going on with the Titans and the Dolphins and 434 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: Giants fans were phenomenal. 435 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: It was a nice battle between the Giants and Packer 436 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: fans in that bun was fun. 437 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: Packers fans are the nicest fans in the world, so 438 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: like that. That's you know, it's it's always nice to 439 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: have a house guest that like cleans up after this. 440 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: I still remember leaving the title game in two thousand 441 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: and seven, They're like, all right, guys, good luck in 442 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 3: the super Bowl. 443 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: This is fun. I'm like, what's wrong with you? 444 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: Does like if you're in Philly you're getting pelted with 445 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: snowballs And. 446 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: I'm not joking. Fans said, actually, oh, guys, that was 447 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 2: a great game. Good luck in the super Bowl. 448 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, basic, but yeah, that was that was 449 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: That was a great atmosphere it was really cool. Obviously 450 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: a great ending and a great win, but you know, 451 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: look there's only two more home games, and that atmosphere 452 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: is what it should be on a Monday night game 453 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: at Medlife. It was really cool. So that was really fun. 454 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: And again I mentioned briefly, shout out to the Giants 455 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: offens in line and they got game balls after the 456 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: game sack. We've been talking a lot about Tommy DeVito. 457 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: He's everywhere right now. He's done every interview I think 458 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: you could possibly do in a twenty four hour window. 459 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: See, I've seen his agent on TV more than yeah, 460 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: Sean has been. 461 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: You know, like they're both trending right now, some for good, 462 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: some for bad. But the offensive line two hundred yards 463 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: rushing did a great job against Rayshawn Garry, as we mentioned, 464 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, he's what Bobby Johnson will call a werewolf 465 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: and no sacks. So uh, that's big, that's that's huge progress. 466 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: And it just shows when the offensive line is playing well, 467 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: like the offense is functional and things look different. 468 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: And the run game not traditionally too. 469 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: And this is I'm happy you brought that up because 470 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: I want to tip my cap to to Mike Kafkin 471 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: and Brian Davi, but for putting. 472 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 2: To the other a really good game. 473 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: And Bobby Johnson. We got to give Bobby Johnson. 474 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: He's Tammy Johnson too. 475 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 3: Giants at one hundred and forty four rushing yards through 476 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 3: three quarters. Sean at that point, Sequon Barkley a thirteen 477 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 3: carries for twenty five yards. Yeah, which means non running backs. 478 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 3: I think Brada might had ten yards in there too, 479 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: but non running backs had over one hundred yards rushing 480 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 3: through three quarters. I mean, that's an amazing job. Whether again, 481 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: some of it's Tommy scramble on, but you had the 482 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 3: design runs and I think what we saw at halftime 483 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: and caseee us and I talked about this at the 484 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 3: half on the halftime show on the radio. You saw 485 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 3: every time, and look, this is what all these teams 486 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 3: are doing. When Saquon Barkley gets the ball, you see 487 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: eleven guys on defense. 488 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: Flying out, swarming. They're not gonna let them do anything. 489 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 2: So what do they do? All Right, Well, we're gonna 490 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 2: run some read option. If they're gonna run out, want 491 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: at Saquon Barkley, Let's do some misdirection. Yeah, we're gonna 492 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: run a flee flick. We're gonna bring it back. 493 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 3: We're gonna do a wildcat and guess what, Saquon's gonna 494 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 3: almost fumble it, but hand it off to one that 495 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: Robinson and he's gonna run for thirty yards. So I 496 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: thought the coaching staff at the half and Brian Dale 497 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 3: gave Bobby Johnson to my calf credit for this in 498 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: his postgame presser, making an adjustment to use Saquon as 499 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: a decoy to open up other things in the run game, 500 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: which just all was really well done. 501 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: It's a great point, and they definitely have taken heat 502 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: this year, so you have to give him credit when 503 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: they do stuff. The other thing I'll add on there 504 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: is how about Mark Lewinsky lining up sixty four is 505 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: l And that wasn't just on one time one play, 506 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: wasn't one short yards and it wasn't sixty four dolls 507 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: when he's lining with tight ends. It was a full back. 508 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: He was in motion and on that touchdown run for 509 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: Saquon and he like knocked over. It was like bowling pins, 510 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: like he racked up the four to seven split, like 511 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: he knocked over. It was like a five car pile 512 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: up and Saquan just kind of waltzed around and he 513 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: did his little finger roll into the end zone. But 514 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: Mark Lewinsky, great job blocking on the move. I see 515 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: a big fellow. 516 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, he had some nice moments. Giants fans love a winner. 517 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: It's why they love Citizens named the twenty twenty two 518 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 3: best bank in the US by the Banker, as the 519 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: official bank of the Giants and sponsor of the Huddle, 520 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: Citizens is made ready for fans of Big Blue. Learn 521 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 3: more at Citizens bank dot com. All right, Saints game, 522 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 3: real quick show before you say goodbye. First of all, 523 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: what does he like to play in the Superdome? 524 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: I hated it. I feel like I feel like we 525 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: got right out of the building. 526 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: Time ran down there. 527 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: Oh it was brutal. And you know, of course that 528 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: was Drew Brees and Sean Payton, And that's funny. I 529 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: just saw Eline the cafeteria and we were talking about 530 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: like we had some long flights home from that, because 531 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: you look up in the second quarter, it's like, how 532 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: are we down seventeen and nothing already? 533 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: Were you still playing the game where it was like 534 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: fifty three forty eight or that? 535 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: No, that was that was after I retire. But Yeah, 536 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: that was like the I mean back and forth. That 537 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: was a shootout. But it's crazy when we played down 538 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: there a number one, Like, the lighting down there is 539 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: totally different, so I feel like receivers have a hard 540 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: time and and punt returners, like you go out there, 541 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: you gotta really the lights are just different. 542 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: It's have they changed that though what? 543 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't know because I remember the lighting was kind 544 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: of different. But it's so loud down there, and the 545 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: fans when they're into it, man, that place is electric. 546 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: It's one of the hardest plays to play on the road. 547 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: So I feel like we never really played very well. 548 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: We were always behind early and then you know it 549 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: third and longs and you're in the silent count. So 550 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: starting fast is huge down there. But New Orleans is 551 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: a cool place to be. It's a cool place to play, 552 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: and you know, you don't get to go out on 553 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: Berber Street and walk around and check out the French 554 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: Quarters while you're playing. 555 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you what your go to 556 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: place was in the French Quarter. 557 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: Well, I've gone there a couple of different times, you know, 558 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: one for a bachelor party and we got a chance 559 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: to hang out there. But my first year working as 560 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: the NFL NET organist, the super Bowl was in New 561 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: Orleans and I got to go down there. I tell 562 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: you what. I tried shrimper and grits at every damn 563 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: restaurant every night. It was phenomenal. Are good if I 564 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: put on Yeah, I put on a lot. That was 565 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: back when I was eating carbs. But there was a couple. 566 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: There's a couple of different really nice places. There's one 567 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: place that everybody warns you about. It's called the absinthe House. 568 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: It's where they serve absinthe, which some people call mind 569 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: the racers. 570 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: Or you know, like it's that is dangerous. 571 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: So be careful out there. 572 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: Be careful. 573 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: The hurricanes are very strong down there. And I'm not 574 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: talking about the weather. I'm talking about the drink. So 575 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: be careful out there. 576 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: There's like I've had a couple of those. 577 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: There's like a hand grenade one they call to like, 578 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of weird name drinks. Stay away from those. 579 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: Stick to like just the beer. 580 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: Awesome. The game itself. I think that was worth the time. 581 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the game. 582 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. The fans have been really loud. 583 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, that's not great for Derek Carr since a lot 584 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: of that has been them trying to boot him off 585 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: of the field. 586 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: They're booing him. When Taysom Hill comes on the field, 587 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: they're cheering, tastes him and they're saying, we want Jamis. 588 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: I've never seen anything. 589 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, there Ak Carr, you know, and usually the same. 590 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 3: Fans are not like usually they're you know, more of 591 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 3: the Homer crowd where you're not gonna like kind of 592 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,239 Speaker 3: go after your own group. But boy, they are not 593 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: happy with the offenses playing down there. 594 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: Although the Carolina win definitely helped. That was like a 595 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: get right game. Jimmy Graham has resurfaced and you know 596 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't even know he was still 597 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: in the league, but he's got a touchdown in back 598 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: to back games. I believe Chris o'lovey has been kind 599 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: of their big target. He's he's phenomenal. 600 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: We still looks really good too, but it looks fresh. 601 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: He looks good. They have Jamal Williams is kind of 602 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: their one two punch. Their offensive line is pretty stout, 603 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: so they are very physical upfront, but defensively, that's really 604 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: kind of where the Saints hang their hat on. Their 605 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: defense has been phenomenal to Mario Davis is one of 606 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: the best linebackers in the league and nobody really talks 607 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: about him much. He does it all. He never comes 608 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: off the field. He's a watch for him on third down, 609 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: like he's number fifty six, he's a linebacker, but he 610 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: is rushing the passer now on third down. They've got 611 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: him doing a lot of different stunts. 612 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: Five and a half sacks, second most sacks on the team. 613 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you know, like Cam Jordan is always 614 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's a battle So if it's Tyree 615 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: Phillips or if it's Evan Neil at right tackle, that 616 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: could be a big challenge. Yeah. 617 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 3: And right now they're holding opposing quarterbacks, I believe to 618 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: the lowest quarterback. 619 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: Rating in there. 620 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: Like it's man like, don't they don't mess around down there. 621 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 3: This isn't soft zone with it's gonna be all. 622 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 2: These easy throws. 623 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: Oh just go a little five yard speed out. We'll 624 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: get five yards on first down, easy go. That is 625 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: not what this is gonna be. Like, Tommy Devido is 626 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: going to have to put the ball to some tight 627 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: windows and giant wide receivers have to win against some 628 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 3: pretty good cover quarterbacks. 629 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got some good corners. They're very sticky defensively, 630 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: what I always look at to is the front. They 631 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: run a lot of what we call five down defense, 632 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: which is centers covered, both guards covered, both tackles covered, 633 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: so basically five guys. That is a run stopping defense. 634 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: They get into it on third down and that's two 635 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: and it's really just trying to create one on one 636 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: matchups and what that What happens is one on one 637 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: matches with the offensive line, which puts a linebacker one 638 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: on one with a running back. So your running backs 639 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: better be able to pass protect because they are going 640 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: to be challenged against the Mario Davis and the rest 641 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: of the Saints defense. 642 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: And that goes back to the Ma Davis absolutely. 643 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 3: Final question, Sean, if I would have told you when 644 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 3: we sat down here after that game against the Jets 645 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 3: that we'd be sitting here on December thirteenth, that the 646 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: Giants would be one game out of the seventh NFC 647 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 3: wild card spot, Yeah, would you have like hit me 648 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 3: with the mic? Would you have pushed me off of 649 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: the chair, would you have thrown Pearson at me? 650 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: Maybe? I think there's a lot of different options. 651 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, would have told you you're still drunk, go home. I 652 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: think it's it's wild how the NFL is right now, 653 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: and like you know, it's just like it's like the 654 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: Daytona five hundred. Everybody's just kind of like, you know, 655 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: stuck in a pack right now. They're waiting for somebody 656 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: to kind of break free. 657 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: But those first four teams in the conference, that and 658 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: everything else is. 659 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: Just what's wild. Is like the Jets game. We won 660 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: that game like we had it won and then we 661 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: just gave we get wrapped nine hand it to him 662 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: in the monsoon. That game alone, now all of a sudden, 663 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: like writing the mix, and then the Buffalo Bills game 664 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: up there in Buffalo should have won that game. Those 665 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: two games right there, this is a completely different vibe. 666 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: Like we would be sitting in the driver's seat for 667 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: the playoffs. 668 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: I know, And it's amazing. 669 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: Then the end Giants did catch a breaking into eng 670 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 3: when they missed what was like a thirty eight yard 671 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: field goal to tie that game weight, So we were 672 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 3: this is why one hundred, But this is why close 673 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: games go either way. Right, You play a lot of 674 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 3: close games, So we're gonna go your way, So we're 675 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 3: not gonna go your way, and that's kind of the NFL. 676 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just the way it goes. Sean, This 677 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 2: is funment and you can check out Sean A. 678 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 3: Harryhill have more New Orleans recommendations for you on his 679 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 3: twitter feed and Instagram all that check that out week 680 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely for show to Haram Josh Folk, thanks for joining 681 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 3: us on the Johnsontle Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 682 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 3: the official Bank of the Giants. 683 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time. Everybody,