WEBVTT - 3/20/26: Bibi Demands Ground Troops, Hegseth Caught Lying, Iran War Master Plan w/ David Sirota

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<v Speaker 3>Folks, we have an amazing show for you this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>How are we doing, Crystal and Emily doing well?

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan is I think en route to Cuba is the idea,

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<v Speaker 2>So just us this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan is pursuing regime change in Cuba.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Emily said he's going to be installed by

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know that he won't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that's true, that is true. We have no evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that he will not be installed as the new Cuban

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<v Speaker 2>puppet dictator of the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>So waiting Comrad Groom, he stopped in Miami to pick

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<v Speaker 3>up some ex pats. He picked up Clovicular. Now they're

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<v Speaker 3>heading over to Cuba. That's exciting. We also have some

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<v Speaker 3>other housekeeping. Sager later today is interviewing former counter terrorism

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<v Speaker 3>official Joe Kent, so stay tuned for that. Between the

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<v Speaker 3>two of them, we've never gotten closer to a host

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<v Speaker 3>being arrested, sort of a Don Lemon style situation. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very excited for all that. But we've got a

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<v Speaker 3>big show today.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you did just inspire a thought though, Griffin,

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<v Speaker 2>how amazing would a Ryan Clovicular interview actually be.

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<v Speaker 3>Really really good?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I feel like that would be groundbreaking. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Did you guys just see that Andrew Callahan.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you did because I sent it to the

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<v Speaker 2>chat Is moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, you saw it.

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<v Speaker 6>I also saw the moment where he met his biggest

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<v Speaker 6>supporter on kick because you sent it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. That was really that was honestly just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of heartbreaking, sad all the way around, as Clovicular

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<v Speaker 2>off and is in my opinion, but the moment with

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<v Speaker 2>Callahan where he's Cliviguilar's like, there's really nothing you would

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<v Speaker 2>change about your face when you look in the mirror

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<v Speaker 2>and Callahan just like leans back, crosses his legs and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, no, not a thing. Clar crashes out Major

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<v Speaker 2>Cortisol spike and ends a interview. It's kind of extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>Male self confidence is his kryptonite.

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<v Speaker 3>Good point, which I think is also I think I

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<v Speaker 3>think Ryan would destroy him. Then, yeahs as someone who's

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<v Speaker 3>tried to upgrade Ryan's appearance, myself and he and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>hit a wall there.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you try to look Smack got shut.

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<v Speaker 4>Down the time he told you to fix his hair

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<v Speaker 4>and he just went.

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<v Speaker 3>But folks, let's get to some far more serious topics here.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a lot going on in the show today.

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<v Speaker 3>We have updates on possible ground deployment on or near

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<v Speaker 3>the Iranian border with US troops. We've got some oil updates,

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<v Speaker 3>and we've got some potential contradictions between what Hegseth heard

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<v Speaker 3>from the fallen Soldiers family and what Hegseeth has been saying.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we also have David Soota coming on to

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<v Speaker 3>tell us a little bit more about the updates or

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<v Speaker 3>the Phase two of the master plan, so we're excited

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<v Speaker 3>to speak to him.

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<v Speaker 7>Plus ye bunch.

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<v Speaker 2>More focused on the unitary executive, like basically the way

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<v Speaker 2>that previous administrations over decades and previous operatives over decades

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<v Speaker 2>have turned the presidency into effectively a monarchy, just in

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<v Speaker 2>time for Trump to come in and want to be

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<v Speaker 2>king and have the powers.

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<v Speaker 4>To do so.

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<v Speaker 3>Really great timing there. But let's start with our friend

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<v Speaker 3>Benjamin Netanyah, who Israeli Prime Minister Netanyah, who says can't

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<v Speaker 3>do a revolution in Iran from the air, there needs

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<v Speaker 3>to be a ground component as well. He says there

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<v Speaker 3>are many possibilities for a ground component, but won't share

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<v Speaker 3>what they are.

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<v Speaker 7>What do we make of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's certainly looks like that's the direction we're heading in,

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<v Speaker 2>and we can talk about some additional reporting about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really coming down to the straight upfoe moves. It's

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<v Speaker 2>also we now have the Huthis onsar a LA who

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<v Speaker 2>are saying they are going to join the fight, which

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<v Speaker 2>means that one of the alternative pathways for oil will

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<v Speaker 2>potentially also be shut down because they successfully shut down

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<v Speaker 2>that pathway previously just using you know, drones and menacing

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<v Speaker 2>ships in the area. So you know, at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I think what Manyao is acknowledging here is that he

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<v Speaker 2>has helped to get the US to a point where

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<v Speaker 2>there is going to be no more significant strategic success

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<v Speaker 2>without some ground troop component, which he's happy to see

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<v Speaker 2>our service members go in and fight and get slaughtered,

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<v Speaker 2>and US to be weakened in the region well, along

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<v Speaker 2>with of course Iran and the GCC member states being

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<v Speaker 2>weakened as well. And you know, I'm always very clear

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<v Speaker 2>that ultimately this is all Trump's fault. He's the one

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<v Speaker 2>who ultimately decided to go in. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the reporting about, oh, they have different

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<v Speaker 2>aims and maybe there's going to be a blow up,

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. I put that in the same category

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<v Speaker 2>as the repeated leaks to Barack Ravine during the Biden

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<v Speaker 2>the Brandon administration, where it was always very upset with

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<v Speaker 2>net Yahoo blah blah blah. I think they're similarly absurd

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<v Speaker 2>that there's some significant break coming between the Trump regime

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<v Speaker 2>and the net Yahoo regime. But you know, one other

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I'll mention here is in Netanyahu's comments, which

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to place some mothers of that are very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting that I want to hear Emily's take on for

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<v Speaker 2>you in a moment, but he did a classic thing

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<v Speaker 2>of in English. He was like, this thing could be

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<v Speaker 2>over really quickly, I think in response to a question

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<v Speaker 2>from Richard Engel, He's like, this could be over a

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<v Speaker 2>lot quicker than people think. And then in Hebrew to

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<v Speaker 2>the Israelis is like, this is going to go as

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<v Speaker 2>along as long as it needs to go. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be in here as long as we need to

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<v Speaker 2>be there. So, you know, very different messages to the

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<v Speaker 2>English speaking world versus the domestic audience in Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think the two things that seem right now

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<v Speaker 6>fundamental things that seem to have been totally what's the

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<v Speaker 6>right word here, like I don't want to use the

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<v Speaker 6>word that's too generous, but seem to have been underestimated

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<v Speaker 6>on behalf of the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>Is the strait of her moves and.

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<v Speaker 6>The what Iran would do, how far they would go

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<v Speaker 6>with the strade of her moves, and the ability of

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<v Speaker 6>anti regime coalition forces on the ground in Iran to

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<v Speaker 6>stage some type of revolution. And that's where you do airstrikes.

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<v Speaker 6>You see the presence saying this is for the freedom

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<v Speaker 6>of the Iranian people. We now know that they were

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<v Speaker 6>overly confident about what would happen in the strait of

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<v Speaker 6>her moves, and with those two puzzle pieces being.

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<v Speaker 4>Clearly I mean the administration.

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<v Speaker 6>They probably weren't a hundred percent certain about either of them,

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<v Speaker 6>but clearly they thought the likelihood that they would be

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<v Speaker 6>able to have a revolution, They would be able to

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<v Speaker 6>create the conditions for a revolution that would topple the

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<v Speaker 6>regime if they kill the Iyatola and struck all of

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<v Speaker 6>these different places and created chaos. These Raelis obviously have

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<v Speaker 6>a different take on that than our government. But if

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<v Speaker 6>you have those two pieces wrong, you can see how

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<v Speaker 6>you start getting closer and closer to ground troops, which

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<v Speaker 6>is exactly what people were saying, exactly what we were

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<v Speaker 6>saying on this show. It becomes a spiral, and that's

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<v Speaker 6>so easy for it to happen. But when you have

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<v Speaker 6>those two puzzle pieces being incorrect, that's how you get

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<v Speaker 6>ground troops. It's exactly the recipe that people predicted.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the escalation trap, as Professor Pape has laid

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<v Speaker 2>out for us multiple times on our show, where now

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<v Speaker 2>the only way that Trump could actually end this war

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<v Speaker 2>at this point would be not only for him to

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<v Speaker 2>walk away, but for there to be significant concessions given

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<v Speaker 2>to Iran. I mean, he would have to not only

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<v Speaker 2>walk away, but walk away with his tail between his

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<v Speaker 2>legs saying what would you like to make you feel

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<v Speaker 2>safe and secure? Iranian government that is still firmly in

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<v Speaker 2>place and now also is directly controlling who comes and

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<v Speaker 2>goes from the Strait of Hormuz. So it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's in a he has created an absolute

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<v Speaker 2>mess for himself, and you know, here's some of the indications.

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<v Speaker 2>This is again Rock Ravine Mark Capudo about what is

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<v Speaker 2>being considered Trumpmull's risky carg Island takeover to force Iron

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<v Speaker 2>to open straight. We also have news that more marines

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<v Speaker 2>are being rushed to the region. There's expected to be

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<v Speaker 2>some overlap between this new deployment of marines and the

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<v Speaker 2>marines that have already been rushed into the region, so

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<v Speaker 2>that seems like it could be, you know, leading to

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of boots on the ground. I did see Emily,

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember who it was or Griffin, do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember who it was? One of the Republican senators who

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, if the boots are only on an island.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the same as boots on the ground in

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<v Speaker 2>like mainland or on. I liked that definition of boots

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground. Yeah, I wish I could remember who

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<v Speaker 2>it was, but in any case, revied reporting. Here the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration considering plans to occupy your blockade Aron's carg

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<v Speaker 2>Island to Iran to reopen the straight of horror.

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<v Speaker 8>MOUs.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me also show you this US warplanes and helicopters

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<v Speaker 2>is from the Wall Street Journal kickoff battle to reopen Hormuves.

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<v Speaker 2>So this battle has already started now. USNS allies have

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<v Speaker 2>intensified the battle to reopen the Strait of Hormuves, sending

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<v Speaker 2>low flying attack jets over the sea lanes to blast

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<v Speaker 2>Iranian naval vessels, and Apache helicopters to shoot down Iran's

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<v Speaker 2>deadly drones. According to American military officials, the stepped up

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<v Speaker 2>operation is part of a multi stage Pentagon plan to

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<v Speaker 2>reduce the danger from Irani in arm boats, mines, and

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<v Speaker 2>cruise missiles which have halted ship traffic through the waterway.

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<v Speaker 2>Not exactly Iran is getting the ships through that they

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<v Speaker 2>want to get through, but in any case, if the

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<v Speaker 2>danger can be reduced, the US could send US warships

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<v Speaker 2>through the straight and eventually escort vehicles in and out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Persian Gulf, but it will still likely take

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<v Speaker 2>weeks for the US to clear out Iran's web of

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<v Speaker 2>assets that have harassed traffic through a chow point for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty percent of the world's oil experts in a large

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<v Speaker 2>amount of commercial shipping traffic. And there is is a

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<v Speaker 2>quote in here they're using these A ten wart hogs

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<v Speaker 2>extensively in this operation, apparently for the military people out there,

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<v Speaker 2>to whom that means something. And there is a quote

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<v Speaker 2>in here where someone an analyst, as military analyst, says, look,

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<v Speaker 2>even here it is lowering the threat to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where ships can resume transiting the strait is doable, but

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<v Speaker 2>it takes time, and you are probably never going to

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<v Speaker 2>get to one hundred percent. We could reach a stage

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<v Speaker 2>where we're getting ships through and they could still get

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<v Speaker 2>a lucky shot. So that is the landscape. At this point.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the battle has already joined, they have already escalated.

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<v Speaker 2>They're now trying to restore control over the strait of hormones.

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<v Speaker 2>The ability of our ships and our ally ships to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to pass through and it will take a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time, it will be very risky and very dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>And even after all of that work, even in the

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<v Speaker 2>most optimistic scenario, you are still going to have the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of an Iranian drone coming in and lowing something up,

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<v Speaker 2>with DEVI stating consequences for you know, for lives and treasure.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>I saw an update this morning that the death toll

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<v Speaker 6>right now in Lebanon is around one thousand, and Iran

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<v Speaker 6>is around thirteen hundred. And I don't know the breakdown,

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<v Speaker 6>first of all, I mean it's I don't know how

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<v Speaker 6>confident we are in those numbers or the reports are

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<v Speaker 6>in those numbers. But and I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 6>breakdown is of civilians to militants. That's two thousand already

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<v Speaker 6>in this war. That's two thousand. I mean, we're double

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<v Speaker 6>digits of Americans. That's two thousand people just in the

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<v Speaker 6>time span of a couple of weeks. And just we're

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<v Speaker 6>so numb to people being bodies in the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 6>in particular in the Middle East, that's especially after Gaza.

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<v Speaker 6>But that's that's it's hard for me to believe how

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<v Speaker 6>little conversation there is about how much death there's already been.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, and we had a major incident yesterday as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I can put this up on the screen, where an

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<v Speaker 2>F thirty five aircraft was apparently struck by the Iranians.

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<v Speaker 2>This marks first, This is an extraordinary This is like

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<v Speaker 2>the highest tech of our high tech fighter jets. It's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be stealth. The fact that they were able

0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.880
<v Speaker 2>to hit this plane, this jet was apparently very significant,

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<v Speaker 2>says US. F thirty five aircraft makes emergency landing after

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<v Speaker 2>combat mission over Iran. By the way, there is some

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<v Speaker 2>I think appropriate skepticism about exactly the story that we're

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<v Speaker 2>being told here that the F thirty five fighter jet

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<v Speaker 2>landed safely and the pilot is in stable condition. I

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<v Speaker 2>have seen some conjecture they haven't said where or who

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<v Speaker 2>or any of the specifics, so there is some conjecture

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<v Speaker 2>over whether that part of this is true or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I also saw some conjecture that another F thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>may have also been been struck, but this is all

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<v Speaker 2>still very unconfirmed. What we do know is that Iran

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<v Speaker 2>was at least able to hit this one jet, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranians release some of the footage that they purported

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<v Speaker 2>to be from that takedown. They said. An F thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five fighter jet from the US has made an emergency

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<v Speaker 2>landing at n air Base in the Middle East after

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<v Speaker 2>carrying out a combat mission over Iran. Aircraft landed safely.

0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Pilot is in stable condition. We are aware of reports

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<v Speaker 2>that a US F thirty five aircraft conducted emergency landing

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<v Speaker 2>at a regional US air base after flying a combat

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<v Speaker 2>mission over i Run. Aircraft landed safely. Incident is under investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>CNN reported two anonymous sources saying the plane, which costs

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<v Speaker 2>up to one hundred million dollars, was likely hit by Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that they can take shots at these things, this,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the military analysts, is very significant because it

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<v Speaker 2>makes it much more dangerous for the US to just

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<v Speaker 2>fly these sorties over Iran because now you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they have a capability. We did not know that they had,

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<v Speaker 2>so now we have to plan for that, and that

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<v Speaker 2>isn't you know, that is a very clear risk for

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<v Speaker 2>these pilots who are involved. We've already had a number

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<v Speaker 2>of other aircraft, American aircraft I saw, you know, upwards

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<v Speaker 2>of somewhere around sixteen that have been damaged or destroyed

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<v Speaker 2>in a variety of circumstances. Some of the circumstances I

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<v Speaker 2>continue to believe we're not getting the accurate story about,

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<v Speaker 2>including the three that just plummeted from the sky and

0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.280
<v Speaker 2>they're like, h oops, friendly fire. We didn't know, you know,

0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.600
<v Speaker 2>something happened. The refueling one is also big question marks

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<v Speaker 2>there too.

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<v Speaker 3>They said it was like it wasn't offensive or defensive,

0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.760
<v Speaker 3>it was like a neutral error that those three planes

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<v Speaker 3>went down. Is this like the ghost of Kuwaid or

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<v Speaker 3>something like, I'm not really sure what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the theories. One of the theories again unconfirmed,

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<v Speaker 2>but listen, I mean, we just can't believe anything this

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<v Speaker 2>government says. At this point. We'll tell you about some

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<v Speaker 2>of the just insanely basic things that Pete Hegseth is

0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.520
<v Speaker 2>out here lying about in a moment. But in any case,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the theories is that it was actually like

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<v Speaker 2>a GCC allied pilot that went rogue, a Kuwaiting pilot

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<v Speaker 2>in particular and intentionally shot down are fighter jets. That's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the theories to me, that's much more plausible

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<v Speaker 2>at least than the idea like Oopsie's we just had

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of an unspecified incident, and all three of

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<v Speaker 2>these happened to you know, crash to the ground in

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<v Speaker 2>the same day.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely doesn't make sense. No, definitely does not sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this reporter from Newsmax shared some about the

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<v Speaker 3>accelerated deployment of the Marines and sailors heading to the

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<v Speaker 3>Middle East. Four officials tell Newsmas the Boxer Amphibious Ready

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<v Speaker 3>Group and the embarked eleventh Marine Expeditionary Units deploying ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of schedule. There are roughly twenty five hundred Marines four

0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:40.040
<v Speaker 3>thousand total service members seemingly to potentially take or blockade

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<v Speaker 3>this carg Island area, which essentially, you know, seems strategically

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like a killbox for.

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<v Speaker 7>These US soldiers.

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<v Speaker 3>Additionally, we have some sought here from Scott Besson talking

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<v Speaker 3>about his ideas for carg Island.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's take a listen.

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<v Speaker 5>There's laser focus on it.

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<v Speaker 8>As I said, there was a bombing campaign last week

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<v Speaker 8>a military at Caragio and were destroyed. And the other

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<v Speaker 8>thing I can tell you, if you're an oil worker,

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<v Speaker 8>you don't want to work there. So all the oil

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<v Speaker 8>workers that are being coerced to stay there and you know,

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<v Speaker 8>we will see what happens with whether that eventually becomes

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<v Speaker 8>a US.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so it could eventually become a US asset,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the fifty first state.

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<v Speaker 7>You never know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And this is all amidst the fact that they

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<v Speaker 3>tried to get other countries to come into the straight

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<v Speaker 3>up our moves to provide back up. They're all like, actually,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to hard pass on that. So I guess

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<v Speaker 3>now we're like, okay, we'll just dump all of our

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<v Speaker 3>service men in there, see how that goes well.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was I was watching a BBC report last night.

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<v Speaker 6>This probably sounds obvious to many people, but Iran has

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<v Speaker 6>prepared for these possibilities for a long time, and they

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<v Speaker 6>have other ports that aren't just going to that. Carg

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<v Speaker 6>Island is not going to US. Takeover of Carg Island

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<v Speaker 6>is not going to prevent so prevent them from using So.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just it does look like escalation spiral.

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<v Speaker 6>It does look like Trump might have some excuse to

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<v Speaker 6>say this limited operation.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like Crystal said, it's not boots.

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<v Speaker 6>On the ground and the boots on the island as

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<v Speaker 6>though the island doesn't soil. And then from there your

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<v Speaker 6>your boots on the ground. That's we all know how

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<v Speaker 6>that goes. We've all seen how that has gone over

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<v Speaker 6>the last twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and first from speaking of Professor Pape, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what he warns is, first of all, we were taking

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<v Speaker 2>a look at the geography of this area of these

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<v Speaker 2>Sheer cliffs. To Emily's point, you know, the Iranians been

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<v Speaker 2>gaming this out for literally decades thinking about this. They

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<v Speaker 2>also learned a lot, well, they learned a lot from

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<v Speaker 2>the Iran Iraq War, which we of course were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>backing I rock in. And then we've learned a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more recently from the Twelve Day War. And some of

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<v Speaker 2>the speculation I've seen is actually this capacity to take

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<v Speaker 2>down our F thirty five fighter jets or potentially take

0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.840
<v Speaker 2>them down, was developed after the Twelve Day War. So

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<v Speaker 2>that tells you they haven't just been sitting there like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure this diplomacy with Jared Kushner and Steve Wicoff's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna work out this time. No, they were clear eyed.

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<v Speaker 2>They knew that this was very likely, if not, you know, inevitable,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've been thinking about how exactly to prepare. So

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<v Speaker 2>taking carg Island is one thing maybe you can. You

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<v Speaker 2>could probably accomplish that, you know, with the US military

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<v Speaker 2>come in full force, bomb a bunch of shit, you know,

0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.320
<v Speaker 2>kill a bunch of kill a bunch of people, and

0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.240
<v Speaker 2>probably some of our service members die as well. But

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<v Speaker 2>then you also have to hold Carg Island and it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, very close to the Iranian mainland. Would not

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<v Speaker 2>be hard for shaw He drones which had been apparently

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<v Speaker 2>you know, been able to fly. It will basically wherever

0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.960
<v Speaker 2>they want, damage whatever they want throughout this throughout this war.

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<v Speaker 2>So you are in a very very difficult position. And

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<v Speaker 2>now what Now you're entrenched on Carg Island and you

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<v Speaker 2>know where you're gonna Now we're staying there forever. We're

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<v Speaker 2>claiming this is a US asset. Not clear that that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to certainly not going to topple the regime. As

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<v Speaker 2>Griff and emilyin both of you guys are pointing out,

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<v Speaker 2>they have other options which again they they developed partly

0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:15.960
<v Speaker 2>during the Iran Iraq War. Actually, they it will definitely

0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:20.640
<v Speaker 2>be damaging to their economic prospects, there's no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But again there this is existential for them, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>willing to take a lot more pain, and because we

0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.480
<v Speaker 2>hold carg Island also does not mean that we've cleared

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<v Speaker 2>up the problems with the Straight of Horror moves, which

0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.439
<v Speaker 2>is a separate and independent issue. It may help, but

0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.239
<v Speaker 2>it's not going to solve that problem. So now a

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.399
<v Speaker 2>lot of the war focus is around this new problem

0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.359
<v Speaker 2>that has been created in the war, where victory is

0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.600
<v Speaker 2>effectively being defined as just getting back to some semblance

0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:52.240
<v Speaker 2>of the pre war status quo. Though even if you're

0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.080
<v Speaker 2>able through some you know, miraculous feed and ironie collat

0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.159
<v Speaker 2>military class whatever to reopen the Straight of Horror moves,

0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.879
<v Speaker 2>you have still created a situation where you have a

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<v Speaker 2>more hardline government in place in Iran which is much

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<v Speaker 2>more likely to pursue nuclear weapons and much less likely

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<v Speaker 2>to engage in the future in any sort of diplomacy

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.399
<v Speaker 2>with you. And that is just sort of done and

0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.280
<v Speaker 2>baked in at this point, which is part of why

0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:21.040
<v Speaker 2>this escalation is very likely to continue. Because let's say

0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:25.600
<v Speaker 2>there is some miraculous off ramp that has achieved right now,

0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:31.240
<v Speaker 2>the Iranians rationally may very well begin pursuing a nuclear

0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.320
<v Speaker 2>weapon or moving again in that direction, and Israel will

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<v Speaker 2>be right here back in DC you know, Natannalhu himself

0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:39.879
<v Speaker 2>and all of his allies saying you're not gonna let

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<v Speaker 2>this happen. You said there can be no nuclear Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't let this happen on your watch, and we

0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.600
<v Speaker 2>will be right back here all over again. So it

0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.840
<v Speaker 2>is a very very grim landscape in front of us.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, and it's sadly going everything that you just laid out, Chrysal.

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<v Speaker 6>I was struck by how this is what people were

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<v Speaker 6>talking about the likelihood of this happening, exactly what we're seeing,

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<v Speaker 6>Like the outline of this is exactly what people were

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<v Speaker 6>warning was going to happen and being called pannikins or

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<v Speaker 6>whatever else. But like just three weeks ago, it was

0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:17.199
<v Speaker 6>fairly clear that unless Trump did a quick cut and

0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.359
<v Speaker 6>run midnight hammer thing, which he was not indicating, is

0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.800
<v Speaker 6>what he would do. Obviously this was something at a

0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:28.600
<v Speaker 6>larger scale. This exact pattern, pattern is probably the right word,

0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.679
<v Speaker 6>is what would reveal itself over the next couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 6>And I don't think it gives anyone pleasure to be

0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.040
<v Speaker 6>right about that, but it's so it's going so closely

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<v Speaker 6>to the script.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, Yeah, everyone to know, Yeah, go ahead, can you

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<v Speaker 2>cueue up the one where he's talking about number one

0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:50.280
<v Speaker 2>state sponsor of terrorism and of course, yeah, yeah, you

0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>got that ready to go for us.

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<v Speaker 3>So we got Pete Hegseth here talking about a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of the of the funding of the Iranian country.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's take a listen here.

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<v Speaker 9>That's why you had millions of Iranians protesting because they

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<v Speaker 9>felt like their condition, quality of life did and match

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<v Speaker 9>what it could be or should be, and what was.

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<v Speaker 4>The Iranian state.

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<v Speaker 9>There's a reason we come call Iran the number one

0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.679
<v Speaker 9>state sponsor of terrorism because they took the money they

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<v Speaker 9>make and they invested in tunnels, and they invested in missiles,

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<v Speaker 9>and they invested in launchers and UAB two hundred billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that number could move. Obviously, it takes uh

0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.800
<v Speaker 9>it takes money to kill bad guys. So going back

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<v Speaker 9>to Congress and folks there to ensure that we're properly

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<v Speaker 9>funded for what's been done, for what we may have

0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:35.959
<v Speaker 9>to do in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible in what we may have to do.

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<v Speaker 6>Ye billion dollars. That tells you what they think is coming.

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<v Speaker 6>That's exactly that. That is your indication they are preparing

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<v Speaker 6>for a long drawn, drawn out war. At this point,

0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:56.080
<v Speaker 6>they're asking Congress right now for an additional two hundred

0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:57.760
<v Speaker 6>billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and isn't I think I saw some stats yesterday

0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 2>that's more than we sent to Ukraine in four years

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.679
<v Speaker 2>of that war. Just for perspective, like, this is a

0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.640
<v Speaker 2>massive amount of money, and he says that that number

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.880
<v Speaker 2>could move. It's not moving down. The only direction it's

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.439
<v Speaker 2>gonna move is up. I actually saw Lauren Bobert this

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<v Speaker 2>morning saying that she's a no on the additional war funding,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, she then got further pressed, oh, well

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<v Speaker 2>do you you know, do you think that this war

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<v Speaker 2>should continue? And she's like, that's up to Trump. So

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<v Speaker 2>she kind of differs on that point, but at least

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<v Speaker 2>as saying two hundred billion dollars, I don't think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>voting for that. But the lack of self awareness here

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<v Speaker 2>of Hegseth within minutes of each other, saying that the

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<v Speaker 2>reason Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrors

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<v Speaker 2>because they take their money and they spend it on missiles,

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<v Speaker 2>and then moments later asking Congress for two hundred billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars for missiles, taking our money and spending on missiles

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 2>for starting World War three and bombing little girls in

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<v Speaker 2>grade school pretty and you know, the American public is

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<v Speaker 2>so propagandized that I think most people won't even won't

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<v Speaker 2>even really notice that. It's like it's it's it's different

0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.360
<v Speaker 2>when we're on to us it than when we do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not the same when they do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, that is the reality of what our

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<v Speaker 2>state is becoming. They're asking for one point five trillion

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:20.600
<v Speaker 2>dollar defense buddy, they already have one trillion dollar defense budget,

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.160
<v Speaker 2>and now you're coming back and asking for two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars more for a war that we're told has

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:29.320
<v Speaker 2>already been a glorious victory. Trump told us we already

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<v Speaker 2>won this thing. This little excursion just so insane, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can only imagine what good could actually be done

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<v Speaker 2>with that money.

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<v Speaker 6>Instead, I just want to say, I just pulled this up, Crystal.

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<v Speaker 6>This is astounding so as according to the Council for

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.439
<v Speaker 6>Foreign Relations Counsole Foreign Relations, as of December thirty one,

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<v Speaker 6>twenty twenty five, the US Congress has made available one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and eighty eight billion dollars in spending related to

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<v Speaker 6>the war in Ukraine. According to the US Special Inspector

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.199
<v Speaker 6>General for Operation Atlantic Results. So think about that. Think

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:04.680
<v Speaker 6>about that everyone, over several years of war in Ukraine,

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.360
<v Speaker 6>one hundred and eighty eight billion, which is a lot

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:10.639
<v Speaker 6>of money, by the way, already a lot of money.

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 6>We are two three weeks into I guess three weeks

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<v Speaker 6>now into this war in Iran, and they're asking for

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 6>two hundred billion dollars from Congress.

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<v Speaker 4>However, a war, I mean again.

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<v Speaker 6>Donald Trump said he would end the war in Ukraine's

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<v Speaker 6>end the war in Gaza, but he said he would

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<v Speaker 6>not start new wars, not start new wars. And this

0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 6>entire question of whether there was an imminent threat, we're

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 6>playing semantics with it right now. But I think everybody

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 6>understands because the Secretary of State and the Speaker of

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 6>the House came out and said it. When the war

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<v Speaker 6>started was nudged, at least the timeline was nudged by

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<v Speaker 6>the Israelis.

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<v Speaker 4>And I agree with Crystal.

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<v Speaker 6>I think our government has plenty of agency if that's

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<v Speaker 6>the case. We chose, we still made our decision. But

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<v Speaker 6>the question of whether this is a war of choice

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 6>or necessity has pretty much been answered, And two hundred

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<v Speaker 6>billion dollars two hundred billion dollar requests three weeks into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of he said, having a hard time selling this war.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a clip here where he did a little

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<v Speaker 3>story from his son on why we have to keep

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<v Speaker 3>fighting this war.

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<v Speaker 9>My thirteen year old son popped into my office last

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<v Speaker 9>night while I was editing these remarks. He asked about

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<v Speaker 9>the war and the families I met at and I

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 9>looked at him and I said, they died for you,

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<v Speaker 9>so that your generation doesn't have to deal with a

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<v Speaker 9>nuclear Iran.

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<v Speaker 5>True.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, So the families who said finished this, we will,

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<v Speaker 9>and I say the same to every American who wants

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<v Speaker 9>peace through.

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<v Speaker 7>All right.

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<v Speaker 3>So the families, they of the fallen soldiers, they told Pete,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what it's worth it, Let's finish the finished

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:05.640
<v Speaker 3>the damn job. Except some of the families are disputing

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 3>that conversation. Father of service member kill and I Iran

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 3>war said he never told Pete. Hegseth to finish the job.

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 3>They go on to say in this article that they

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 3>are just a little confused and unsure, you know, I mean,

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 3>then these are patriotic families, right, so you know these

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 3>are this is not something that they want to believe

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 3>that their son or daughter, you know, died for a reason,

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 3>but they're just they just are not sure. And that

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 3>was the conversations in this report that they were asking

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Pete about, I hope this.

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Is worth it just so senseless. And we actually had

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 2>a video of another parents have fallen service member saying,

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm actively wanting the war to stop, So

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.639
<v Speaker 2>to lie about something like this to me is just

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 2>so incredibly low. Like to use these service members' families

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 2>and then to put words in their mouths so that

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.439
<v Speaker 2>you can use them like a little puppet, you know,

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>to get your talking points across, is so disgusting to me.

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Not to mention obviously the story with his own son

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 2>is completely and totally fake. And even if it's not fake,

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I am driven completely insane by the gas lighting here

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:22.360
<v Speaker 2>about the timeline, let us not forget it was the

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 2>first Trump administration that tore up the Imanian nuclear deal

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>that was working, and it was this Trump administration that

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 2>twice used diplomatic negotiations as a ruse to attack and

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>start a war with a run in that second set

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>of negotiations. We now have multiple people who are involved,

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>we have the omanis, we actually have one of the

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>British officials involved who said this, there were incredible concessions

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 2>made here. This was a deal that was workable, that

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 2>went beyond if you were concerned that the original deal

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 2>with Obama wasn't strong enough, it went beyond that. And

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>they didn't even bother these clowns to send negotiators that

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>even understood what was being discussed. So to him, for

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>him to say, oh, we're doing the work to keep

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Iran from getting a nuclear weapon to make the world

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:18.959
<v Speaker 2>safe for our children, what total and complete bullshit you

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 2>have made it more likely that Iran, and by the way,

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 2>a whole host of other countries around the world, pursue

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons because that is ultimately the only deterrence that

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 2>may work to keep us from coming in and bombing

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 2>their countries and murdering their children and their heads of state.

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 3>And those also cut a bunch of the energy and

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 3>nuclear scientists that would have been able to analyze and

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.239
<v Speaker 3>create like a new framework or a new deal for us.

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 7>So thank you big balls for that as well. Emily,

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<v Speaker 7>what were you saying.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I just said the idea that Iran's that you're

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<v Speaker 6>going to stop Iran from wanting a nuclear weapon. So

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 6>long as Israel has nuclear weapons, it's just not happening.

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 6>And like that, that is just in the Middle East.

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 6>There are multiple countries with nuclear capacity. So if you're Iran,

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 6>you can't bomb away the sentiment that they want to

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 6>be they want to have a nuclear weapon capacity, and

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 6>you can try to you could even try to change

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 6>the regime, and it's not going to bomb away the

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 6>sentiment among people in Iran that that's something that they

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 6>should have, that they need to have, and that, as

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 6>Crystal saying, in of itself, is the idea that we're

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 6>not going to be dealing with this in another generation unfortunately,

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 6>tragically not happening.

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 3>And on that note, Emily, we needed your expertise for

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 3>this next one before we get to Seroda. So we

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 3>don't know why we're doing it. We don't know who

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 3>we're doing it for. Actually, we may now know who

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 3>we're doing it for. The spirit of Genghis Khan. Let's

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 3>take a listen to net and Yahoo here.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's rule the lessons of history one hundred pages.

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<v Speaker 10>In which she said this reproves that, unfortunately, I'm happy

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<v Speaker 10>Jesus Christ has no advantage over Rginia's huntry because if

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 10>you are long enough, people will overcome good.

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 5>Compression will overcome moeration. So you have no choice.

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<v Speaker 10>If you look at the world as it is today,

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 10>you have to be blind not to see the democracy

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 10>led by the United States have to reassert their will

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 10>to defend themselves and to oppose their enemies in time,

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 10>while there's still time before the jarring gong of danger.

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<v Speaker 5>Wakes them up and wakes them up too late. This

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<v Speaker 5>is where we.

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 7>Are now, of danger.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, Yeah, that's b.

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<v Speaker 7>Family.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're always asking yourself, what would jingis con.

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<v Speaker 6>The bracelet. I mean, apparently he's paraphrasing Durant, who was

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<v Speaker 6>making a comment on human nature.

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<v Speaker 4>Pull up that quote. I have it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yet, nature and history do not agree with our conceptions

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 6>of good and bad. They define good as that which survives,

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 6>and bad is that which goes under. In the universe,

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 6>is no prejudice in favor of Christ as against Genghis Khan.

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 4>And that's.

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<v Speaker 6>It's my perspective of that him trotting out that paraphrase

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 6>quote right now is that it does It feels almost

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 6>like taunting. And you know, Nietzsche would Nietzsche's perspective on

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 6>christ was that it was a sort of a slave morality,

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:58.959
<v Speaker 6>that the Christianity valorizes weakness, and that's been throughout history

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 6>a criticism of of Christianity. And whether or not Natania

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 6>who was intentionally trying to poke at Christians and Christians

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 6>in America, like a Tucker Carlson for example, who are

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 6>making Christian arguments against you know, the War Gaza and

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 6>the like.

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't know.

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 6>I would recommend a couple of books, Dominion by Tom

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 6>Holland and Air We Breathed by Glenn Scribner is a

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 6>really good one too, about where there's the universalism in

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 6>Christianity that.

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 4>It again it feels like.

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 6>Kind of taunting that Jesus comes along and says, go

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 6>and baptize, go and make disciples of all nations, all nations,

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 6>which is historically somewhat unique. And he says there will

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 6>be one shepherd in one flock, meaning everyone in the

0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 6>world is covered by the sacrifice. And then Paul says

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 6>there is no Jew or Greek that's in Galatians, and

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.959
<v Speaker 6>that Tom Holland rightly points out, changes absolutely everything. And

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 6>is it true that Christians have done a poor job

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 6>throughout his honoring the egalitarianism of christ message. Yes, of course,

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 6>but that's still there's still a tension between Christianity and

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 6>other religions because of that, and it does Yahoo tritting.

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:14.399
<v Speaker 4>Out that quote is.

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.320
<v Speaker 6>It feels it feels like he might have been intentionally

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:21.919
<v Speaker 6>trying to poke a bear, whether it's Tucker or someone else.

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, they came out after the fact and were like,

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 2>it felt the need to issue a statement on the

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Twitter account, the official like Prime Minister of Israel Twitter

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.320
<v Speaker 2>account that was like, we meant no offense to Christians.

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.279
<v Speaker 2>We were just quoting this thing. But you know, the

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 2>funny thing to me, like coming at this from a

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>totally non religious perspective, is this this dodge that I've

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 2>seen not just from him, but from plenty of other

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>people who are not even like that sympathetic to him

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 2>or were like, he's just quoting something. It's like, just

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>because you're quoting someone else doesn't mean that that like

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.399
<v Speaker 2>original quote was also a good thing, you know, I mean,

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.760
<v Speaker 2>that's still a choice. You're like co signing this idea,

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 2>And to me, it was just very revealed of what

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I think is a dominant mindset, not just with net Nahu,

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 2>but within Israel. They see themselves as inherently moral right,

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 2>not based on their actions, not based on what they

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 2>do in the world, which you know, to me is

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 2>how you define moralities like what do you do? Do

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 2>you cause harm? Or do you cause people? Like what

0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>are you?

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 4>What are you?

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Are you geniciding children in Gaza? Because that seems to

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 2>have a real bearing to me on whether you are

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>a moral actor. But the view here offered by net

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Yahoo is we are inherently the good side. So even

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.839
<v Speaker 2>if we commit evil acts, it's in service of our

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 2>own inherent goodness. And this is a you know, I mean,

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 2>this is a supremacist ideology, which is what Israel, what

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Zionism is based on, as a Jewish supremacist ideology. And

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times when he's speaking to you know,

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 2>an American audience or Western audience in general, then I'll

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.680
<v Speaker 2>talk about Western values, to talk about Judeo Christian values.

0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 2>So then we get also brought in the fold of

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 2>the inherently good. And so he's saying here and again

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>very noteworthy this is offered in English. I think it

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:09.800
<v Speaker 2>could be seen as a as a taunt to Christian.

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 2>I think that's certainly the case, especially since there's been this,

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, this tension with the Tucker Carlson's of the world,

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:14.879
<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 6>And the Pope has called for a ceasefire, by the way,

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 6>So it's yeah, it's not it's not just Protestant Protestants

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 6>in America. There's a lot of religious backlash.

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 2>That's that is that's a great point. But so you

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.240
<v Speaker 2>have that angle of it, but you also have him

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 2>projecting some American audience. You may be feeling a little

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 2>squeamish about this, like girls' school, that you just bond

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:38.720
<v Speaker 2>and murder all these children. But trust me, you're still

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 2>the good guys here. You're still no matter what you

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 2>do in this war, because if you don't act in

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 2>barbaric ways, in evil ways, then the ultimate evil, the

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 2>inherently evil under you know, and what's underneath the service

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:59.399
<v Speaker 2>there is Muslims, Persians, Iranian Arabs, you know, anybody who

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:03.840
<v Speaker 2>would the Israelis. If you don't act against that inherent

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>evil in this barbaric way, then those people will win out.

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 2>It's you know, it's a kind of a rehash of

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.280
<v Speaker 2>his Children of the Light versus Children of the Darkness

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 2>speech at the beginning of the you know, the genocidal

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:20.400
<v Speaker 2>assault on Gazo, where again it's like anything is justified

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>in our attempts here to decimate and destroy the Palestinian

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>people because we're the good ones, not because of what

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 2>we do, just because who we are, and they're the

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 2>bad ones, not because of their age or who they

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:36.439
<v Speaker 2>are or what they do, but just inherently. And that

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 2>is such an abhorrent, deeply abhorrent, destructive, disgusting worldview to me.

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 2>But that's what you know, that is the ideology, that

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 2>is the reigning ideology in Israel. You have to say

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 2>at this point.

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 6>I think what turned people like Tucker Carlson then actually

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 6>like carry Prejon Boler against what they were seeing a

0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 6>Gazos precisely the part of their faith and it's emphasized

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 6>all the time about the vulnerable. And again this was

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:10.279
<v Speaker 6>Nietzsche's contention with Christianity actually, and Tom Holland has done

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 6>really great debates on those. People should just pop that

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 6>into YouTube and watch his debates or read dominion.

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 4>It's fantastic. But I think when you see the.

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:25.240
<v Speaker 6>Powerful abuse civilians that are powerless, that's very, very moving

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 6>to a lot of Christians on everybody, but like Augustine

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:32.839
<v Speaker 6>or not agusting Aquinas, that is just war doctrine. And

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 6>you can make a pretty good argument, and that's probably.

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 4>Why Popolio has called for a ceasefire.

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 6>If you look at the United States and Israel's decision

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.919
<v Speaker 6>to launch this particular war, you could you could argue

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 6>that it's violating the Christian tradition of what constitutes a

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:56.799
<v Speaker 6>just war. And so Netanyahu, who is secular by the way.

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 4>He's that's disputed.

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he's he's a political figure, and I think

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 6>has tried to, you know, send different signals at different

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 6>times in his career. It feels like, to your point

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 6>about the children of life versus the children of the directness,

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.279
<v Speaker 6>he's trying to make this argument that you can use

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 6>strength and that's that can be used against civilians because

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 6>ultimately you're on the you're on the good side, and

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 6>that's what's important, is protecting your people. You're like that,

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 6>and I think that's attractive to a lot of people

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.360
<v Speaker 6>around the world. But the more you see like the girls'

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 6>school for example, or other civilian abuses of civilians, it

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.720
<v Speaker 6>doesn't fly with other people.

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:40.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean being absolved for your crimes. I'm sure

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.399
<v Speaker 2>that does feel good to a lot of people, like, oh,

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 2>here's an excuse where you get to act with impunity

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 2>and you know, indulge your most barbaric and cruel instincts.

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.720
<v Speaker 2>But really, if you think hard enough about it, because

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 2>you're good, it's all fine. The other thing, and you know,

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I think there are others who could probably who could

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:01.840
<v Speaker 2>probably lay this out more effectively and with more knowledge

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 2>than me. But Jonathan green Blatt recently, in addition to

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.760
<v Speaker 2>saying all kinds of other crazy crap, he said something

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 2>about we are no longer the like weak need Jews

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 2>or the knock need jude or the Jews or something

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 2>like that. And this is an idea that goes back

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 2>to World War Two, deeply anti Semitic, but in a

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 2>like sort of self loathing anti Semitic way, that the

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 2>there is like victim blaming of Holocaust victims, that they

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.799
<v Speaker 2>weren't strong enough to stand up. And so part of

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:32.399
<v Speaker 2>the founding of Israel was the idea that like, we're

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 2>going to create a state that is it will stand up,

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:38.320
<v Speaker 2>that will I mean committed terror, stax and ethnic cleansing,

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.239
<v Speaker 2>in order to found the state, and we are going

0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:44.360
<v Speaker 2>to be barbaric in a way, you know, and cruel

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and tough and strong in a way that you know,

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 2>our ancestors who were slaughtered in the Holocaust in a

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>way that they weren't again deeply disgusting view, but you know,

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 2>offered by someone like ADL's Jonathan Greenblatt, who supposedly is

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 2>all against anti sempittiss sposed to be his whole thing,

0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 2>and it sort of reminds me of that as well,

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, you know, we can't afford to have

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:11.399
<v Speaker 2>to indulge in these little nice Christian values. We are

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the good guys, and we are going to use whatever

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 2>means necessary to even if those things look evil to you,

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 2>but underneath the surface, because we're the good guys always

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 2>and forever, no matter what we do, you know, you

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 2>just don't understand that we're actually fighting evil with evil,

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 2>and we have to do that because we don't have

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 2>the luxury of acting other ways any other way.

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 6>Just my quick point on that would be that is

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 6>the story of human history, like that is what tribalism

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 6>that is very historically normal. That is what tribalism predating

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:46.800
<v Speaker 6>nation states.

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 4>That's what it is.

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 6>And liberalism after World War two was precisely conceived to

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 6>overcome that because it leads to atrocities, and Israel has

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.880
<v Speaker 6>never been able to because of the trauma that the

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 6>Jewish people suffered through the Holocaust, the industrial scale genocide

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.759
<v Speaker 6>that's within living memory of people. That's not like, not

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 6>everybody has been on board with that because there's this

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 6>constant fear and understandably, so I have another genocide coming along,

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 6>and you know, we don't have to go like that's

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 6>that just took us to a totally different deeper layer.

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 6>But that's liberalism was meant precisely to overcome those instincts,

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 6>will to power style instincts, and that's why we have

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 6>international groups and.

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 4>Treaties and laws.

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.359
<v Speaker 6>So that's I think a fundamental source of tension has

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 6>been for the last one hundred years.

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, and let me say one last thing before We've

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:43.360
<v Speaker 2>got David Serota waiting here, and I do want to

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.760
<v Speaker 2>get him in, which is that you know, hag Steth

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 2>and Steven Miller and the whole Trump regime they like

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:52.280
<v Speaker 2>to frame the idea of like international law or respect

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 2>for civilians or rules of engagement as like weak and

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 2>woke and pathetic and not realistic, blah blah blah. Steven

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Miller says it the most sort of like directly. Pet

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>hag Seth does as well, though, And Pete haig Seth,

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the things that he's famous for

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 2>is going and trying to get pardons for war criminals.

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 2>So that is his worldview. But I think we already

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>see in the Iran war that when we blow up

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 2>all of the rules of engagement and international norms and

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, and law and any sort of care and

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:26.399
<v Speaker 2>concern for civilians, this puts our own service members at risk.

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 2>It puts the world economy at risk. I mean, it

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:32.840
<v Speaker 2>puts everything on the table. So we're already living with

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 2>the consequences of blowing up all of those you know

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>what would be perceived as sort of like woke liberal niceties.

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 2>It's not just that you get to do what you

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.759
<v Speaker 2>want to your enemies. Your enemies also get to do

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:48.880
<v Speaker 2>what they want to you. And in a world where

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 2>asymmetric power projection is more easily available than it ever

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 2>has been before, that seems like a pretty foolish, pretty foolhardy,

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 2>and ultimately destructive way to go outside of you know,

0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:04.880
<v Speaker 2>any sort of moral concerns for morality.

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:07.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we should probably try to keep some of these

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 3>planes in the air before we start acting like Janus Khan.

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 3>On on that note, why don't we get over to

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 3>the man uncovering the master plan? David Serota, David, are

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 3>you there? I'm here, Yes, welcome, David. How are you today?

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:33.359
<v Speaker 7>Good? Thanks for having me. Yeah, we're happy to have you.

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:35.279
<v Speaker 7>What's going on?

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, we're told that there is It doesn't seem

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:41.240
<v Speaker 3>like there's a big plan with this war, but apparently

0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 3>you have uncovered the master plan, so update us on

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 3>what's going on there.

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 11>Well, I think the master plan is as it relates

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 11>to the Iran war, It's like the president woke up

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.399
<v Speaker 11>one morning and decided to go to start World War

0:44:56.480 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 11>three and there was no public justification and for it,

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 11>there was no congressional authorization for it. It was just

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:07.400
<v Speaker 11>like the King woke up on the wrong or I

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:10.479
<v Speaker 11>guess in his frame maybe the right side of the bed,

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 11>and decided to start World War three, which is destabilizing

0:45:14.239 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 11>the entire planet. And the point of our audio series

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:20.759
<v Speaker 11>is to ask the question, how is something like that

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 11>even possible. And so how is it that we've arrived

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:30.360
<v Speaker 11>at a place where a president has a constitution that

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 11>says Congress declares war, and yet we're now where we

0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:37.319
<v Speaker 11>are where a war was started almost basically like a

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 11>World War three esque situation like that wasn't just like

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 11>one bombing. We're now in like a World War three

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 11>esque situation without any real authorization at all. And so

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 11>it's this question of how did Donald Trump become a king?

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 11>But it's not really only about Donald Trump. It's how

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 11>did the presidency become a monarchy? And I think to

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.359
<v Speaker 11>answer that question you have to answer the question of

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 11>how it started really over the court fifty years ago

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:10.120
<v Speaker 11>and how it's evolved over fifty years. We were at

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:14.399
<v Speaker 11>this place in our country's history, or a similar place

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 11>to it during and after Watergate. Watergate was seen as

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:21.799
<v Speaker 11>a scandal about an imperial presidency that had gotten out

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.279
<v Speaker 11>of control, not just out of control in terms of

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 11>targeting Richard Nixon, targeting his political opponents. But remember that

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 11>was a time when Richard Nixon campaigned promising to end

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 11>the Vietnam War and then secretly, months later, secretly expanded

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 11>the Vietnam War. It was a time where Richard Nixon

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:41.880
<v Speaker 11>started cutting off spending that had been authorized and passed

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 11>by Congress. Roads were in the process of being made,

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.919
<v Speaker 11>and then the road construction had to stop because Richard

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 11>Nixon asserted the right to say he could decide what

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 11>spending moved forward and what spending.

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:55.880
<v Speaker 7>Did not move forward.

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 11>So all of the fights that I think that we've

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 11>gotten used to now, and these examples of kind of

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 11>an imperial presidency, we have been here before. But the

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 11>thing is is that after Watergate, Congress really pushed back

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:14.839
<v Speaker 11>and took back some of that power. I mean, there

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 11>was the War Powers Resolution, there was the Budget Impoundment Act,

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.720
<v Speaker 11>which was designed to stop presidents from doing what Nixon

0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 11>had done. But there was really a backlash to the

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:30.400
<v Speaker 11>backlash that started after Congress took back some of its power.

0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 11>And there has been an ideology on the I wouldn't

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 11>call it the libertarian righte and in sort of the

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 11>center of the Republican Party, you know, the sort of

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:42.960
<v Speaker 11>the Dick Cheney wing. Dick Cheney, of course, was the

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 11>chief of staff to Gerald Ford right after Watergate. This

0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:51.920
<v Speaker 11>real idea that Congress should never encroach on the president's authority.

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 11>And that's I think part of why we are here today.

0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:56.839
<v Speaker 11>Where we woke up, you know a few weeks ago

0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:58.960
<v Speaker 11>when the President decided, Hey, I'm just going to start

0:47:58.960 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 11>World War three.

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let me go ahead and play for people a

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 2>little bit of or we'll just play this whole trailer

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 2>for the new season A master plan. First season was

0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 2>so incredible, such extraordinary journalism. I can't wait to dig

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 2>into this one and see what you've uncovered here as well.

0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Let's go ahead and play this for everyone so they

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.400
<v Speaker 2>can get a taste of the what you guys have

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:19.960
<v Speaker 2>put together.

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<v Speaker 5>I have never been a quitter.

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:27.319
<v Speaker 11>Once upon a time, an imperial president was cast out

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:32.360
<v Speaker 11>of the palace, but all the president's men refused to

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:33.880
<v Speaker 11>relinquish the throne's power.

0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 5>I must America first.

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:52.600
<v Speaker 11>So they went to work rewiring the government. They didn't

0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 11>just take back the controls. They began building something new,

0:48:56.800 --> 0:49:00.359
<v Speaker 11>something stronger.

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:01.960
<v Speaker 5>They gave the president.

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 11>The power to go around Congress to launch unauthorized warsower.

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<v Speaker 5>They ignored the law and cut secret arms deals.

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<v Speaker 11>The Pentagon says millions of dollars worth of weapons were

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 11>turned over to the CIA for shipment to Iran. They

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 11>manufactured vast new executive powers for a war on terror

0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:30.399
<v Speaker 11>that would characterize Montanamobig as the least worst place we.

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:31.320
<v Speaker 5>Could have selected.

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:37.879
<v Speaker 6>The Obama administrations continuing a Bush Era of policy authorizing

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:39.880
<v Speaker 6>the killing of US citizens abroad.

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<v Speaker 11>The goal of this master Plan was to create an

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<v Speaker 11>all powerful president, or, as some called it, the unitary executive.

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<v Speaker 9>You're not going to be a dictator, I said, no, no,

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<v Speaker 9>no other than day one.

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<v Speaker 11>So when a man longing to be a king took

0:49:55.880 --> 0:50:01.399
<v Speaker 11>the throne, he inherited unprecedented hours to get his way,

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 11>and those powers are now turning our world upside down.

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<v Speaker 11>Welcome to Master Planned Season two.

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<v Speaker 5>The Kingmakers. How could President?

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, that animation is fantastic.

0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 7>Ben Clarkson, the artist is amazing. He's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a sort of an AI could never

0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 2>AI could never.

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<v Speaker 7>No, No, trust me.

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<v Speaker 11>The number of screenshots and storyboards that he put up

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<v Speaker 11>I saw him draw.

0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 7>That was like, that's the kind of thing AI can

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 7>never do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is extraordinary. And one of the pieces I've

0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:34.959
<v Speaker 2>been thinking about is, you know, on the one hand,

0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:37.760
<v Speaker 2>you've got you've got these actors, you know, Bill Barr

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:40.080
<v Speaker 2>being another one, of these is really pushing forward the

0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:43.840
<v Speaker 2>idea of the unitary executive. But perhaps what also the

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Founders didn't anticipate is the way that Congress would just

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 2>be like, Okay, sure, we don't actually want any responsibility.

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, because the last time they took a vote

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 2>on war, the Iraq War, it ended up coming back

0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 2>to bite, you know, the vast majority of them who

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:00.520
<v Speaker 2>voted for it, bite them in the ass. So they're like,

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:02.560
<v Speaker 2>we don't really want to take a vote on this war.

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 2>We would rather just you do it, and then down

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the road, if it goes poorly, we can say it's

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.200
<v Speaker 2>his fault and not have to, you know, face any

0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of political repercussions for it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, and that in and of itself was the AMF

0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 6>was such a broad delegation of power to the executive.

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<v Speaker 4>That plus it in that to Crystal's.

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<v Speaker 11>Point, it's such a good it's such a good point, right, Like,

0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 11>Like I think the founders like they didn't get everything right, right,

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.000
<v Speaker 11>Like I think this idea that the founder's got everything

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:31.000
<v Speaker 11>right is is sort of this presumption and it's it's

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 11>not actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a religion, yeah, religious kind of faith.

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And where I think they got things right. Okay.

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<v Speaker 11>Generally speaking, is that the Constitution as a document is

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:48.240
<v Speaker 11>like afraid of concentrated power. That that's like the foundational

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:50.920
<v Speaker 11>baked in, Like it's the theory is we need to

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:54.840
<v Speaker 11>like disperse power a little bit because you literally.

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:57.360
<v Speaker 7>Do not want one dude having all the power.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, I think that's probably like good call, Like you

0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:02.919
<v Speaker 11>got it right. Where they didn't get it right, you're

0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:06.480
<v Speaker 11>at least for the modern era, is the presumption that

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:11.080
<v Speaker 11>the branches would protect their own power. That whether it's

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:16.719
<v Speaker 11>the courts or whether it's Congress, that the presumption was

0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:20.480
<v Speaker 11>that they would jealously people in those institutions would jealously

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.920
<v Speaker 11>guard their power as an institution. And I think in

0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:27.480
<v Speaker 11>the modern era, what we've seen is that actually the institution,

0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 11>especially when it comes to the Republicans, the institution that

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:37.200
<v Speaker 11>is supreme for the Republicans is the Republican Party and

0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:40.719
<v Speaker 11>not the Presidency or the Congress or the courts. And

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:43.840
<v Speaker 11>so no matter where you are in any of those institutions,

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:47.759
<v Speaker 11>the Congress, the Courts, the Presidency, you're serving the larger institution,

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:51.960
<v Speaker 11>which is the Republican Party. And so yes, you're willing

0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:52.440
<v Speaker 11>to like.

0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:53.320
<v Speaker 7>Be a judge.

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<v Speaker 11>The Supreme Court is constantly deferring to executive power when

0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:02.360
<v Speaker 11>a Republican is in the executive. Congress is constantly deferring

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 11>to the Trump administration when the Republicans control it. And

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 11>I do think your point, Crystal is so important that

0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:14.279
<v Speaker 11>that after the Iraq War, the Congress kind of figured out, like, hey,

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:19.239
<v Speaker 11>instead of taking tough votes to stop anything, we can

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 11>just not vote at all. Like it's actually easier for

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 11>us to not vote at all because who knows when

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.919
<v Speaker 11>any kind of vote is going to come back to bite.

0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:30.319
<v Speaker 11>Maybe maybe it's the next election cycle, but maybe it's

0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:33.560
<v Speaker 11>like three election cycles from now, so they haven't wanted

0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:37.680
<v Speaker 11>to vote. And I think that's like a really dangerous situation.

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 11>Like it not everything was better in the past, but

0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:45.040
<v Speaker 11>it was better I think when Congress felt an institutional

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:49.840
<v Speaker 11>prerogative to fight with the executive branch over who gets

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:54.880
<v Speaker 11>to decide things, because that creates like power and countervailing power,

0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 11>which is supposed to create some kind of balance.

0:53:57.800 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 6>Which is a really good argument for getting rid of

0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:03.800
<v Speaker 6>the philibus. To be honest, what happens with that? And

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:10.759
<v Speaker 6>I wanted to ask the cause war powers the intelligence community,

0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 6>and even just thinking about Watergate, all of that goes

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 6>into it. When you hear, like as someone on the right,

0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 6>when you hear federal society world talk about unitary executive theory,

0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 6>a lot of what you hear is it's about the

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:27.520
<v Speaker 6>growth of the federal bureaucracy. The argument, I think charitably

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:31.480
<v Speaker 6>their argument would be that the sprawling federal bureaucracy needs

0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:35.640
<v Speaker 6>to come under the power of the democratically elected president.

0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:38.319
<v Speaker 6>And the example I always use with Ryan when we

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:41.400
<v Speaker 6>kind of get into debates about this is you wouldn't

0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:45.640
<v Speaker 6>want given the revolving door like an Exon mobile executive

0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 6>or an Exon mobile, just regular staffer coming into the

0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 6>EPA and under a climate concerned president making decisions that

0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:59.120
<v Speaker 6>are undermining the decision of the president, or the will

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.440
<v Speaker 6>of the president, or the or the policy of the president.

0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:03.440
<v Speaker 6>So I was going to ask David, like, how you

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 6>see the way that this has been intentionally set up

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:11.200
<v Speaker 6>and designed to tackle those kind of different arenas where

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 6>executive power is concerned. There's more power, but there's also bureaucracy,

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:18.000
<v Speaker 6>but then there's also the intelligence community. It's a kind

0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:19.640
<v Speaker 6>of a tangled mess. I was curious to get your

0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:20.320
<v Speaker 6>take on it.

0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:22.080
<v Speaker 7>It's a great set of questions.

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<v Speaker 11>And look, look, I think let me preface this by saying,

0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:28.759
<v Speaker 11>I think the Democrats, if they ever take back the presidency,

0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 11>I think one of the big questions is, Okay, all

0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:35.600
<v Speaker 11>this power has been concentrated in the White House, do

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:38.840
<v Speaker 11>you use that power or do you use your power

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:41.080
<v Speaker 11>in office to not use it or relinquish it?

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 11>And I don't think it's an acceptable outcome to have

0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:47.880
<v Speaker 11>where we're in this pattern where Republicans use all the

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:51.280
<v Speaker 11>executive power that's there in an aggressive way and grab

0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:54.160
<v Speaker 11>even more executive power, and then Democrats get in office

0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:57.279
<v Speaker 11>and either spend their time not using that power or

0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 11>actually relinquishing it.

0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:01.799
<v Speaker 7>Like that's a ratchet effect. That's bad. I think when

0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 7>it comes to domestic policy.

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:08.440
<v Speaker 11>The example that you laid out, Look, I think that

0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:14.680
<v Speaker 11>the question over whether a president with a mandate has

0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 11>the power to do what they have promised voters to

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:22.440
<v Speaker 11>do is at the heart in part of the democracy crisis.

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:25.279
<v Speaker 11>Like when I hear that term democracy crisis, part of

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:28.880
<v Speaker 11>what I hear and what I think about is presidents

0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:31.960
<v Speaker 11>get into office. I think it's the Democrats often get

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:35.360
<v Speaker 11>into office and then don't really make an effort to

0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 11>really deliver on their promises.

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 7>That shreds the social contract.

0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:44.880
<v Speaker 11>That harms people's belief that democracy matters, and ultimately sows

0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:47.480
<v Speaker 11>the kind of disillusionment that someone like Donald Trump takes

0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.040
<v Speaker 11>advantage of it and says, I will get in and

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:51.440
<v Speaker 11>I will use all the power to deliver everything I

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 11>am promising. Now, I don't think Donald Trump's actually done that.

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:55.480
<v Speaker 11>I think he's betrayed a lot of what he promised.

0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:57.480
<v Speaker 11>The war is a good example of that. But I

0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:00.120
<v Speaker 11>think that's like the dynamic we're in. And I think,

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:03.800
<v Speaker 11>but I guess I would say this. I think there's

0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:10.680
<v Speaker 11>like a middle ground between the Democrats not really using

0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 11>executive power and being deferential to the to quote unquote

0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 11>norms and Donald Trump so aggressively using executive power that

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 11>it's like sort of completely unprecedented. And I think in

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:27.720
<v Speaker 11>some cases, you know, extra judicial, extra constitutional right like

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 11>I'll give you, let me give you like one random example,

0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:34.200
<v Speaker 11>like I think of the Obama presidency and I think, okay,

0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:38.240
<v Speaker 11>here's a person who used aggressively, in an unprecedented way

0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 11>executive power to prosecute the drone war, to assert the

0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:46.920
<v Speaker 11>right to put American citizens on a kill list, right, Like,

0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:51.440
<v Speaker 11>that's a really really, really extreme view of executive authority,

0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:54.800
<v Speaker 11>right to extra judicially execute American citizens, right.

0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:55.440
<v Speaker 7>Okay.

0:57:55.960 --> 0:58:00.640
<v Speaker 11>I also think of the Obama administration not using existing

0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:06.560
<v Speaker 11>unchallenged executive authority to change IRS regulations to close one

0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:09.520
<v Speaker 11>of the biggest and most egregious tax loopholes on the books,

0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 11>the private equity tax loophole. I think of the Obama

0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:18.200
<v Speaker 11>administration not using executive authority to require Fortune five hundred

0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:22.280
<v Speaker 11>SEC regulated companies to disclose their dark money spending, something

0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:25.440
<v Speaker 11>that the Obama administration could have done. So my point

0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:28.280
<v Speaker 11>is is that I think there's like a middle ground

0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:34.320
<v Speaker 11>here where Democrats get into office and use the existing

0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:37.880
<v Speaker 11>unchallenged executive authority in ways that don't have to go

0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:40.600
<v Speaker 11>beyond the Constitution, but are there for the taking. Now,

0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 11>one asterisk on this very quickly, which is I do

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:45.600
<v Speaker 11>think actually Joe Biden tried to do some of this

0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:49.720
<v Speaker 11>at the agency level, like the FTC, the CFPB, And

0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:55.040
<v Speaker 11>I think what's important to remember is that the opposition

0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:57.720
<v Speaker 11>to that agenda, you know, anti trust enforcement et cetera,

0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:03.040
<v Speaker 11>et cetera, will very quickly switch sides on their views

0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:06.480
<v Speaker 11>of executive power when it's not their executive right. I

0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:08.520
<v Speaker 11>mean it was like the concert, like the cut the

0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:11.600
<v Speaker 11>Chamber of Commerce. Some Republicans were marching into court saying,

0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 11>you know, Joe Biden has no right to use the

0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:16.160
<v Speaker 11>FTC or the CFPB and the way he's using it.

0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:18.040
<v Speaker 11>And you're like, gi me, you guys are like the

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:21.520
<v Speaker 11>unitary executive Party, Like and I think this gets to

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:24.080
<v Speaker 11>the to the core of a problem here. It's like,

0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:26.000
<v Speaker 11>you know, we're talking on the eve of the no

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.720
<v Speaker 11>Kings protest. My question for everyone is, Okay, do you

0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:32.400
<v Speaker 11>not want a king or do you just not want

0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:35.920
<v Speaker 11>the king that's not your king? Right, Like, let's really

0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.680
<v Speaker 11>get to the issue here and let's really be honest

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:41.880
<v Speaker 11>about what each side actually wants. Do you do you

0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:46.480
<v Speaker 11>not want kings or do you only not like the

0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:50.000
<v Speaker 11>fact that it's not your king? I mean, I'm I'm

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:52.240
<v Speaker 11>like to be honest, I mean I don't want a king,

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:55.040
<v Speaker 11>but like I'm I'm torn on this question of like

0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:59.520
<v Speaker 11>what ultimately needs to be done. I do think that

0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:01.120
<v Speaker 11>at the cent or this again, I go back to

1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:03.960
<v Speaker 11>it the democracy crisis. You're totally right, if a president

1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:08.040
<v Speaker 11>gets elected promising climate policy and then is stuck with

1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:13.160
<v Speaker 11>an EPA that's implementing exon mobiles agenda, right, Like, that

1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:16.880
<v Speaker 11>is a that's not just an executive power executive branch problem.

1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:19.720
<v Speaker 11>That's a democracy problem because the president has promised and

1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:21.320
<v Speaker 11>gotten elected on those issues.

1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:22.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean FDR is a great example here. I mean,

1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:28.840
<v Speaker 2>in some ways, it's kind of unavoidable to not just

1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:34.320
<v Speaker 2>view the tools in like in the in theoretical terms

1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:37.320
<v Speaker 2>of like this tool's good and that one's bad. I

1:00:37.320 --> 1:00:39.760
<v Speaker 2>think it's kind of unavoidable to look at the content,

1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:42.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, is the content of what is being done here,

1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:46.320
<v Speaker 2>good or bad? Right, some of FDR's things were really bad, actually,

1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:49.040
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of them on the economic front were

1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:51.240
<v Speaker 2>very good, and they were very popular, and they were

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:53.960
<v Speaker 2>in accordance with the will of the people, which the

1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court, up until he threatened them with court packing,

1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:01.440
<v Speaker 2>was effectively blocking. So you know, it's it is a

1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:04.680
<v Speaker 2>little bit tricky when you get down to it. And also,

1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:07.200
<v Speaker 2>of course you raise the prospect very much of like, okay, well,

1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:09.920
<v Speaker 2>if Republicans are throwing out the rules and doing whatever

1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:12.080
<v Speaker 2>they want, and then Democrats are like, we're just gonna

1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:16.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, stay within these boundaries. Then that's an asymmetric fight.

1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:18.320
<v Speaker 7>So let me let me add there.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, there's an interesting question about the independent agencies that's

1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:24.720
<v Speaker 11>coming down the pike right now in the Supreme Court.

1:01:25.200 --> 1:01:26.880
<v Speaker 11>And for those who don't know, there are a set

1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:31.480
<v Speaker 11>of agencies that aren't just like other executive branch like

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<v Speaker 11>the Department of Homeland Security HHS. Those are normal, regular,

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<v Speaker 11>non independent executive branch agencies. President has total hiring and

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<v Speaker 11>firing power over them. There are certain regulatory agencies, like

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<v Speaker 11>the Federal Trade Commission that that were designed to be

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<v Speaker 11>slightly more insulated from the political cycles, where the commissioners

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<v Speaker 11>have you know, five year terms. It's harder to fire them.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 11>And and the Trump administration is trying to say that

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<v Speaker 11>Trump can fire members of these independent agencies, and there's

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<v Speaker 11>really like a constitutional question, right. They're trying to use

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<v Speaker 11>the Constitution to supersede the idea that such these kinds

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<v Speaker 11>of agencies.

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<v Speaker 7>Can even exist.

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<v Speaker 11>And this is where I like, I get the idea

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<v Speaker 11>that the president gets elected and wants to implement policy

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<v Speaker 11>and want and therefore needs to hire and fire. But

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<v Speaker 11>I also think, like what's dangerous here is that the

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<v Speaker 11>Congress and previous presidents have set up these particular agencies

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<v Speaker 11>deliberately to be independent. And my point is, if you

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<v Speaker 11>want to argue that that's bad, right, you want to argue, okay,

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<v Speaker 11>and independent FDC is bad, pass new legislation to change

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<v Speaker 11>the independence of the FTC. Don't start making constitutional arguments

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<v Speaker 11>that say that Congress is not allowed to create independent agencies.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 11>That's where I think we get into like when we're

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<v Speaker 11>talking about a king. It's like, if you want to

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<v Speaker 11>make the small d democratic argument that the SEC or

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<v Speaker 11>the FTC are out of control and not letting presidents

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<v Speaker 11>implement policies that they campaigned on, then pass legislation to

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<v Speaker 11>change the structure of those agencies. Don't start making a

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<v Speaker 11>unitary executive argument that says one line in the Constitution

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<v Speaker 11>Article two means Congress is simply never allowed to create

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<v Speaker 11>these kinds of agencies. I mean, I kind of think

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<v Speaker 11>in a lot of ways those independent agencies, their independence

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<v Speaker 11>has served the purpose that they were laid out, that

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<v Speaker 11>they're supposed to be slightly insulated from the whims of

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<v Speaker 11>this or that election because they are they're supposed to

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<v Speaker 11>be more sort of empirical in their application. But let's

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<v Speaker 11>have that debate rather than saying, yeah, these are not allowed,

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<v Speaker 11>these are basically illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we're going to have an authoritarian leader,

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<v Speaker 2>I want one that's a lot better than the once we're.

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<v Speaker 6>Be getting lately.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at you know, I'm looking at China, like

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<v Speaker 2>they seem pretty smarter over there. I mean, if we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have no freedom of speech here either, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 11>Maybe yeah, I mean problem, Well, we got a good

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<v Speaker 11>we got a good king who makes good decisions. Then

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<v Speaker 11>you know, four years later, you're not going you probably

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<v Speaker 11>aren't going to get to like I think that's the

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<v Speaker 11>theory of the constitution, like like like like for every

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<v Speaker 11>good king you're gonna have, you're gonna have a really

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<v Speaker 11>a bunch of really bad ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me let me ask you about this. And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is some some new news that is pretty interesting. Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Wall Street Journal, told Inner Circle some

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<v Speaker 2>mass deportation policies went too far. President directs a new approach,

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<v Speaker 2>as some advisors believe immigration is no longer as strong

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<v Speaker 2>a political issue for him. He's seeking to lower the

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<v Speaker 2>profile of his mass deportation effort has directed his top

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<v Speaker 2>advisors too adopt a new approach on one of the

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<v Speaker 2>central campaign promises. They go on to say, in conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with top advisers and his wife, Milania, Trump has become

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<v Speaker 2>convinced that some of his administration's deportation policies went too far.

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<v Speaker 2>Voters don't like the term mass deportation, and he's told

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<v Speaker 2>them he wants to see more attention on arresting bad

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<v Speaker 2>guys and less chaos in American cities. Court of people

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with the matter, now, I think a lot of caveats, right. Uh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what the actual actions are. We will say

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<v Speaker 2>there hasn't been another like city invasion like we saw

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<v Speaker 2>in Minneapolis. And to bring this back to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to your reporting here in master plan, now it looks

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<v Speaker 2>very clearly like the mass protests and mass resistance in

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago and Minneapolis and other states and countries across in

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<v Speaker 2>LA and other states and cities across the country, this succeeded,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it worked as a check. So Congress may

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<v Speaker 2>have laid down, Uh, the Supreme Court laid out the

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<v Speaker 2>red carpet for this, you know, bullshit, cruel and unusual bullshit,

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<v Speaker 2>and but the people really, you know, rose up and

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<v Speaker 2>made it very made it very difficult, and created a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of public awareness. Where they're right that the politics

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<v Speaker 2>of this have completely shifted since Trump came back in office.

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<v Speaker 2>So so, even as they've consolidated in all this power

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<v Speaker 2>in the executive branch, and even as this president and

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<v Speaker 2>his cronies seem to act like they're never going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to face voters again, which is kind of scary,

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<v Speaker 2>how much of a check do the people still serve,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for democratic accountability on the unitary executive.

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<v Speaker 11>It's a great question. I am heartened by the news

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<v Speaker 11>this morning. I will say I do think that it's

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<v Speaker 11>not a coincidence that Trump initially pulled the deployment in

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<v Speaker 11>Minneapolis back when Democrats finally started talking about cutting off funding.

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<v Speaker 11>I do think that's that's that's a little part of

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<v Speaker 11>the great point, you know, I do think that like

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<v Speaker 11>Congress's power of the purse.

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<v Speaker 2>But why did Congress do that exactly because they were

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<v Speaker 2>under pressure from the base. It wasn't just a domino nowhere.

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<v Speaker 7>But that's right, Yeah, you're totally right.

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<v Speaker 11>So it's like public pressure on Congress to use its

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<v Speaker 11>actual power. It's unchallenged power of the power of the purse. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 11>all of that colludes to back a president office at

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<v Speaker 11>least momentarily. I should mention I think this is important.

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<v Speaker 11>Another important lesson when it comes to the power of

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<v Speaker 11>the purse for the Iran war, that public pressure on

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<v Speaker 11>Congress to not just pass resolutions or try to pass

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<v Speaker 11>resolutions of disapproval of the war, but to actually defund

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<v Speaker 11>the war is going to be incredibly, incredibly important. Like

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<v Speaker 11>this idea that Democrats can can say I'm against the war,

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<v Speaker 11>but I'm going to vote for the two hundred billion

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<v Speaker 11>dollars supplemental for the war is a lot of nonsense

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<v Speaker 11>and everyone should be focused really on that specific thing.

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<v Speaker 11>The Democrats trying to carve out this like middle ground,

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<v Speaker 11>like you know, I can be against the war, but

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<v Speaker 11>I don't want to quote unquote undermine the troops by

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<v Speaker 11>defunding the war.

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<v Speaker 7>That is a nonsense position.

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<v Speaker 11>So I guess it's to say, the more pressure there

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<v Speaker 11>is in public, the more it will create a more

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<v Speaker 11>fortified opposition in Congress, and the more I think Donald

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<v Speaker 11>Trump will be constrained. Now, I do think ultimately if

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<v Speaker 11>Trump wants to continue seriously illegal, unconstitutional and wildly unpopular

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<v Speaker 11>policies he can, and ultimately we have to mention it,

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<v Speaker 11>like the question of impeachment should be real, Like I

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<v Speaker 11>think this ultimately we are I think we're headed towards

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<v Speaker 11>this question, especially on the Iran War, of if he

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<v Speaker 11>never comes to Congress for a declaration of war, there

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<v Speaker 11>is no explicit authorization, and this war drags beyond the

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<v Speaker 11>War Powers Acts sixty to ninety day time threshold, there

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<v Speaker 11>is a big question of like what to do. And

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<v Speaker 11>what I worry about is like, if the Congress Act

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<v Speaker 11>actually passes the War Supplemental Bill, is that interpreted legally

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<v Speaker 11>and certainly within the administration as the authorization they need?

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<v Speaker 11>In other words, it's just a funding bill explicitly for

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<v Speaker 11>the war. Does that become the Iran Wars Gulf of

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<v Speaker 11>Talking resolution? And if it does, then then you've taken

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<v Speaker 11>a legal, a legal tool off the table.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know if you guys saw Scott Jennings

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<v Speaker 2>doing his thing on CNN yesterday and I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>who was fighting with, but they got into this fight

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<v Speaker 2>over whether this was a war or not, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said America hasn't fought a war since World War II.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I mean with that, that's where we are, like,

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<v Speaker 11>we're still it's a military incursion, a military what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And Iraq was, and Afghanistan was, and Vietnam was. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, you've got to be kidding. And whoever was?

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could give credit shame because off the

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<v Speaker 2>top of my head and forgetting who it was. But

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<v Speaker 2>he was, like, I think the veterans of Iraq, Afghanistan

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<v Speaker 2>would have something to say about whether they were set

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<v Speaker 2>to fight and die in a war or not. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know what's interesting Orwellian abuse of language.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, so interesting that you bring this up. There was

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<v Speaker 11>a debate inside of the Reagan administration that we uncovered

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<v Speaker 11>in our reporting for Masterplan, in which it was John

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<v Speaker 11>Roberts as a young lawyer. It was over whether to

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<v Speaker 11>classify the Lebanon Military Operation and the Grenada Military Operation,

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<v Speaker 11>both initially conducted without congressional authorization, whether to allow it

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<v Speaker 11>to be classified as a war for purposes of providing

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<v Speaker 11>veterans benefits and the like war combat war service benefits,

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<v Speaker 11>to the to the to the soldiers who were in

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<v Speaker 11>that and it was a debate over well, if we

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<v Speaker 11>say they were wars and we didn't get a congressional

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<v Speaker 11>authorization for a war, how to like, it's sort of

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<v Speaker 11>a legal gray area. And I think, what's I bring

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<v Speaker 11>it up only to say, look, these issues have been

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<v Speaker 11>debated before inside of the executive branch, at least in

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<v Speaker 11>like a serious way, Like it was interesting to see

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<v Speaker 11>John Roberts taking the idea that Congress has war making

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<v Speaker 11>authority like that was a serious thing. I think we're

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<v Speaker 11>so far away from that now where it's just presumed

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<v Speaker 11>that Congress doesn't really have in any real way war

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<v Speaker 11>making authority. And I just go back to this idea

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<v Speaker 11>that really, ultimately what we're learning is the only real

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<v Speaker 11>power that Congress has. It may there may be a

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<v Speaker 11>line of the Constitution to declare war. The only real

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<v Speaker 11>power it has here is the power of the purse.

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<v Speaker 11>Like I just I know it's like it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 11>so important to underscore.

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<v Speaker 3>David. So if you're saying that democracy is the antidote

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<v Speaker 3>to these this this master plan, well that seems like

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<v Speaker 3>something that we have to solve them. I got to

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<v Speaker 3>get rid of democracy. Where does this save Act fall

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<v Speaker 3>into this master plan in terms of, you know, depressing votes,

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<v Speaker 3>making it more difficult to vote.

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<v Speaker 7>What is your reaction to the current savee plan? Do

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<v Speaker 7>you think it will.

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<v Speaker 6>Pass if Congress, actually the democratically elected representatis of Congress

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<v Speaker 6>actually pass it.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's the question too.

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<v Speaker 7>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, look, I think the when we use the term

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<v Speaker 11>master plan, what we're really talking about is there's a

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<v Speaker 11>handful of powerful interests, oligarchs, billionaires, et Cetera's corporations for

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<v Speaker 11>a very long time. If you're one of those those powers,

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<v Speaker 11>you look at democracy as the problem, right because you

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<v Speaker 11>need increasingly unpopular policies to maintain your wealth and power,

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<v Speaker 11>to maintain a concentration of wealth and power in a

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<v Speaker 11>small handful of a small.

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<v Speaker 7>Group of players.

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<v Speaker 11>One way you do that, that was season one of

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<v Speaker 11>Master Plana. Legalize corruption so that the elections can be bought,

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<v Speaker 11>so that it is less a one person, one vote

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<v Speaker 11>democracy and more a one dollar, one vote democracy, so

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<v Speaker 11>that the election choices, no matter what they are, deliver

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<v Speaker 11>the unpopular policies you need. The second thing you do

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<v Speaker 11>is you try to concentrate power in one person's hands,

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<v Speaker 11>the president, so that the president so you don't have

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<v Speaker 11>to deal with the Congress.

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<v Speaker 7>You don't really have to deal with with.

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<v Speaker 11>The courts, Like that's hard to Congress members have to

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<v Speaker 11>go back to their districts every two years and deal

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<v Speaker 11>with actual people. So part of the way to subvert

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<v Speaker 11>democracy is to concentrate power. The finals part of this

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<v Speaker 11>is to simply make it harder, if not impossible, for

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<v Speaker 11>people to actually even vote, right I think, and I

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<v Speaker 11>think that's you know, what the Save Act represents. And

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<v Speaker 11>I think it's easy to like presume that the motive

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<v Speaker 11>here is just like you know, doctor evil motives, right,

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<v Speaker 11>Like it's just people like like the people pushing this

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<v Speaker 11>just are evil because they want to be evil.

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<v Speaker 7>No, it's actually a motive of self interest.

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<v Speaker 11>We want to maintain power knowing that the policies that maintain.

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<v Speaker 7>Our power are unpopular.

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<v Speaker 11>So we have to do all of these things to

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<v Speaker 11>essentially keep that power because if we allow an actually

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<v Speaker 11>flourishing democracy to operate, we're not going to get the

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<v Speaker 11>unpopular policies that we want. I mean, Lewis Powell in

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<v Speaker 11>the Powell Memo in Season one Master Plan, I mean

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<v Speaker 11>he lays this out, I mean literally, like the problem

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<v Speaker 11>that the conservative movement saw at the time was the

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<v Speaker 11>government has become too responsive to the people. Like the

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<v Speaker 11>government is passing all the Ralph Nader is getting all

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<v Speaker 11>these things past that we the oligarchy, do not like.

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<v Speaker 11>And the problem is that the government has become too

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<v Speaker 11>responsive to what the public wants.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think ultimately this question of.

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<v Speaker 11>We originally struck a balance, like the Constitution was supposed

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<v Speaker 11>to strike a balance, like you don't want the hot

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<v Speaker 11>passions of every whim that the public wants to be

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<v Speaker 11>legislated at any time, because that can get out of it.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, that's mob rule.

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<v Speaker 11>So there needs to be like some you know, small

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<v Speaker 11>are republican checks on that problem, you know, representative democracy.

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<v Speaker 11>But I think we've swung so far to the other

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<v Speaker 11>side that we're now at the stage of talking about

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<v Speaker 11>making it harder for people just to cast votes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 11>that's really how far this plan has gone.

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<v Speaker 2>David, Where can people find Masterplan Season two and where

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<v Speaker 2>can they support you guys over at lever News.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, thanks for asking.

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<v Speaker 11>whichever one is your favorite app. Just type in Masterplan, subscribe,

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<v Speaker 11>go listen to episode one. If you don't have a

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<v Speaker 7>All all the episodes will be.

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<v Speaker 11>There that and we are the lever so you can

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<v Speaker 11>find all of our reporting at levernews dot com. And

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<v Speaker 11>just a huge thank you to Breaking Points and Breaking

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<v Speaker 11>We are independent investigative journalists. It's not easy to get

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<v Speaker 11>a huge help and we really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we have podcast Your podcasts are incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure they are really excellent.

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<v Speaker 4>Storytelling is so good.

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<v Speaker 7>I appreciate it. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to see us always, David, Great to see you guys.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks again.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, that'll do it for us here in the

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<v Speaker 3>first half of the show. If you want to see

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<v Speaker 3>the second half, y'all know the deal. Emily, where do

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<v Speaker 3>they go?

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<v Speaker 6>Breakingpoints dot com?

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<v Speaker 4>Of course? Where else?

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<v Speaker 7>Of course?

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<v Speaker 2>Where read the Breaking Points twenty six though, so sorry, guys.

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<v Speaker 4>They've been liberated. They're taking Cuba with Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>One last thing before we get over the premium section, though,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you to everybody who' submitted questions for Sager for

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<v Speaker 2>the Joe Ken interview. I know he was going over them, Griffin,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you dug into them as well, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was saying, like, there's actually a lot of really good

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<v Speaker 2>questions here, so really appreciate that input. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be able to, you know, contribute to such

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, start doing our job for us, really

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<v Speaker 3>good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, please pay us money and then also do our

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<v Speaker 2>How is this pitch going?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, this is going perfect. We should in an all

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<v Speaker 6>credit to soccer. He created a massive list of his

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<v Speaker 6>own questions for Joe Kent and then he got great

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<v Speaker 6>audience questions and now there's a great synergy happening behind

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<v Speaker 6>the scenes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, indeed, yes, all right, we'll see y'all in the

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<v Speaker 3>second half.

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