WEBVTT - Beating The Book: Captain Jack Andrews 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:11.799 Check it down man, Now down Man, It's the Beating 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.440 the Book podcast Still Ale, Amanda, Good morning to you 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.240 once again during this global pandemic. Hope you're doing well. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.000 I hope you and your loved ones are staying safe. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.840 Trying to put out different kinds of content during the pandemic. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.280 Hopefully you've enjoyed some of it, if not most of it, 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.280 if not all of it. Uh. And one of the 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.840 subsets of things I've done is trying to profile some 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.159 of the prominent figures throughout the sports betting industry. Alan Boston, 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.600 Rufus Peabody, Bob Stoles, just to name a few that 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.000 I've had the pleasure of talking with during this time. Today. Similarly, 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.919 a gentleman who I have been admiring from AFAR for 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:54.320 a very long time. I think he just does everything right, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.600 comes from a great place, and it's just trying to 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.480 make better betters out of every one who tries to 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.959 get the best of the number in this business and 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.119 tries to beat the sports betting markets. A real consumer 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.720 advocate for the sports betting industry in addition to being 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:14.560 a pro better himself. It's Captain Jack Andrews. Hope you 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.640 enjoyed this as much as I did right here on 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:24.840 the Beating the Book podcast, It's a numbers game with 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.760 your host, Jil Alexander untold us to believe in Adam lives. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.160 It is a numbers game right here live at Visa 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.280 of course serious except Channel two oh for the Vegas 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.319 Stats and Information Network, the Sports Betting Network, Gil Alexander 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.120 uh football game plus Sling. However, you're taking us in 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.760 this morning, maybe with video at Visa dot com, the 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.760 Visa app. Thank you for joining us. As you know, 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.920 during this pandemic, I have tried to profile some of 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.480 the people that I'm most interested in in the sports 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.000 betting industry to get a sense of how they started, 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.920 how they became the betters and the men that they 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.640 are today. Rufus Peabody has been kind enough to join 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.160 us on the show in that vain Bob Stole, Alan 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.880 Boston Uh and today one of the people who I 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.840 probably have admired the most from Afar. I may not 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:14.760 have said that to him directly before, but it is 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:19.280 definitely the case. I just love everything that he does. 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:23.639 He's a professional better himself, but really a consumer advocate 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.360 for everybody in the sports book industry, just doing good 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.120 things all around. First time on the show and an 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.720 honor to have him. You know him from Twitter as 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.520 Captain Jack Andrews. Jack. Good morning to you man. How 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.840 are you, hey, Gil, It's honor and a privilege to 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.120 be here with you. Thank you, Thank you man. You 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.400 dressed for us, so we appreciate that as well. I'm 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.840 not as spiffy as you are this morning. I apologize 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.600 for that. I put on a collar shirt and took 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.240 a shower. It's uh, it's Tuesday, Jack. I may not 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.359 be wearing pants. I have no idea that's that's a 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.480 possibility with all these during the pandemic. Let me start 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.639 at the beginning where I always like to with everybody, 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.280 which is kind of a logical place to start. Um, 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.040 where are you from? What was your background? How did 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:13.000 you become so interested and so passionate about this industry? Uh? 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:14.840 You know, I was born in New Jersey. I've lived 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.240 here all my life. Um, so that you know, that's 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.520 one strike against me, I guess. But I started out 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:25.720 as a card counter and playing blackjack around or so 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.520 I think, is when I got into that, and I 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.280 was doing that for a while, just recreationally, and then 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.560 I got into internet casinos, and there are numerous ways 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.400 to beat internet casinos back in the day. And then 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.800 that sort of morphed into online sports books back around 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.120 on that time period. That's back when we had aces 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.280 Gold and bet on sports dot com and places like that. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.000 You know, crack Man's talked about those quite a bit 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.880 in the past. It was all as good as it was, 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.240 you know, rumored to be, uh. And I did that 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:03.080 for a while, and that kind of morphed into other 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.600 sports books, mostly still online off shore, and I played 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.440 them for a while. I got involved. I was I 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:11.560 was always a big prop better back in that time, 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.880 and I learned the hard way that sports books don't 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.000 like prop betters. But I was still you know, still 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.400 profitable with it, and I enjoyed it a whole bunch. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.320 I was still doing a lot of casino a P stuff, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.479 ap advantage player uh things, and and you know, I 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.320 enjoyed that whole lifestyle. And at one point I decided, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.440 you know, I can do this full time as my 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.400 you know, primary source of income. I did. And then 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.320 around two thousand ten, we got word that New Jersey 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.800 was looking to legalize sports betting. I said, oh great, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.520 I will go headlong into sports betting. I will be 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.120 ready for this when the you know, Atlantic City is 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.119 gonna have sports betting. We didn't even really think about 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:56.440 online sports betting at that time. And in two thousand 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.720 and eleven they passed the law and it was you know, 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.760 full steam ahead, and then the Leaves got involved and 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:08.039 it went into court for the next seven years or so. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.240 So in that time I was ready at any point 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.640 to you know, be at the front of the line 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.679 to make my first sports bet in New Jersey, and 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.120 it took much longer. And during that time I kind 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.359 of got involved with learning about the regulation process and 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.640 the legalization process and what's involved with the court fights. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.919 And I guess I got that ten thousand hours of 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.680 experience in the legalization of sports betting, and that's how 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:37.520 I've become a de facto expert on it. I don't 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.359 like to consider myself an expert. I still have to 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:40.880 do a lot of research with it to keep up 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.880 with all the rules and regulations. But that's the path 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:48.600 from about to present day. Yeah, I mean, you certainly 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.120 are an expert in man effect. When you were when 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.920 you visited the south Point. I want to say about 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:55.599 a year ago. Don't hold me to that. But some 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.719 sometime around then and I sort of asked you, I go, 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.480 what do you think the subject would be that if 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.120 when you came on the show, that you would talk 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:03.680 about that was sort of the go to thing for you. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.279 And I was a little surprised by that. I was like, Wow, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.720 you really are super into that. I want to get 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.360 into some of the nuts and bolts of, uh, your 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.799 thoughts on how we've done post legalization, because I'm curious 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.039 from a macro standpoint, how how someone like you would 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.800 view it with a step back, um, if you could 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.119 go back even further, like when you were a kid, Jack, 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:28.080 do you remember a moment or moments. Maybe it was 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.039 an eight, Maybe it was someone who sort of steered 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.159 you towards it where you were where it was like 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.680 your first taste of gambling, and you're like, oh, this 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.400 feels it's like a fitting, you know, my hand fitting 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.320 in a glove. You know, I got I got two 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.600 points for you there. Gil. Actually, when I was young, 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.719 I used to hear about Atlantic City. We had my 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.719 family had a place at the Jersey Shore about thirty 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.200 miles south of Atlantic City, and all the commercials would 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.599 always be for Atlantic City, and I'd get the jingles 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.000 in my head and I never really understood what Atlantic 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.320 City was all about. And of course that was the 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.400 mid eighties, and that was like the you know, the 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.280 real boom boom period of Atlantic City. Anything was you know, 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.040 happening there in Atlantic City. And I've always had that 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.320 miss mystique about it. And when I turned eighteen, which 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.640 is still below the legal gambling age, uh, one of 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.080 the things my friends and I used to do is 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.160 we'd go down and we'd hang out in the casinos 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.400 in Atlantic City. Not on the casino floor, because you know, 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.880 we usually get busted into that. We just hanging around 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.280 in the casino hotels, sit in the lobby, act like 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.040 we're somebody sitting in the lobby of us big fancy hotel. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.400 I don't know. It's things you did in the early 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.600 nineties and New Jersey, I don't know. But but here's 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.720 the second thing, and this is actually more interesting, is 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.440 as a kid, I was big into computers. I was 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.400 a bit of a computer nerd. And there used to 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:48.040 be this show on the local PBS channel called Computer 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.480 Chronicles and Computer chronicles was I don't know. It was 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:56.120 about a half hour show talking about uh sports betting 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.480 or not, started talking about computer issues in general, and 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.720 one of the episodes they had on this guy who 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:06.240 had written a program that could manage the betting lines 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.320 for Las Vegas casinos. And that person was a fairly 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:16.120 young Roxy Roxburrow. He had the reddish hair and so um. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.880 Even though I had no real exposure to spending at 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.200 the time, I remembered that episode for some reason. And 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.560 it's actually to the point that, you know, I've actually 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.960 talked to Roxy about it and said, you know, when 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.120 I was eight or nine years old, I knew about you, 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:30.920 even though I didn't really know what you were doing 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:32.520 or who you were. So that was kind of an 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.360 early influence in some subtle way. Isn't that amazing how 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.120 how certain things make an impression on you and you 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.440 can't really explain it. Have you yet to meet Roxy 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.160 face to face, by the way, because you guys would 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.640 get along splendidly, we've never met face to face. In fact, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.160 I was actually alt in Vegas the last time he 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.360 was on your show, and I didn't realize it was 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.280 gonna be on, and I if I would have known, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.719 I would come down to the studio and stood there 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.079 by the window. But um, I we get to meet 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:03.199 face to faceure zone. Yeah, pressing on the window. Uh oh, 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.000 that's right. I do remember that you were saying, was 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.040 it was a near miss? Okay? And then, by the way, 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.920 on Twitter, you could be followed at cap Jack two 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.920 thousand for those who are listening, one of the great 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:17.320 follows in the sports betting industry. Always interesting. How did 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.160 you get the name? I guess it's incumbent upon me 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.000 to ask this, how did you go with Captain Jack Andrews? 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.200 Because that is not your real name. You are not 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:28.199 a captain as it were, no no military service, unfortunately. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.120 So I was signing up for a website back in 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.640 the late nineties, member I was talking about card counting 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.520 and there was this website b J twenty one. It 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.120 still exists, and when I signed up, it was the 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.959 kind of the de facto um community for card counters 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.959 at the time, and they had a brief question there. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:47.719 You had to pick an alias to use on the site. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.640 You didn't want to use your real name, obviously, and 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:56.319 in ten seconds of thought, I thought Blackjack Jack, Captain 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.480 Jack at the time, I was a Billy Joel fan, 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.720 and you know, I ten seconds of thought came up 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.280 with Captain Jack. It's stuck ever since. Uh. And then, 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.880 of course people know me by my avatar on Twitter. Uh. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.480 And that's actually I did a Google search one day 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.840 of Captain Jack trying to find an avatar, and of 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.680 course we got Captain Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean. Uh. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.000 You know, we got the Billy Joel song the Piano 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.120 Man album. And I scrolled and scrolled and came across 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.960 there's this uh, large black rapper from I think he 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.800 was originally from Germany, but he was popular in the Caribbean, 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.360 and his name was Captain Jack and he were this 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.959 military costume and his red hat and there were a 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.480 lot of publicity fixture pictures of him from the mid nineties. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.800 And so I said, oh, this is perfect, you know. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.720 So that's what I've always used since then, and it's 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.840 it's just an inside joke at this point. Yeah, people 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.600 watching on Visa com and the Visa app might be 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.040 startled to see that you do not, in fact look 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.280 like the the avatar photo. So you you are an 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.200 advantage player. You have always been one that is what 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.640 you strive to be in whatever it is that you bet, 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.920 So is it is it to follow then? Or am 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.240 I too? Then logically go to the next point, which 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.959 is during this pandemic when it's Belarusian soccer and soccer 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.080 and Nicaragua and table tennis and that sort of thing. 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:24.240 E sports sims on Madden that you are not betting 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.720 any of the above. Is there something you found a 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.680 bet or what's your day to day life these days? Yeah, Gail, 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.520 that's that's right. Uh, there's really nothing to be had 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.640 at this point. Uh. You know, even if I did 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.720 the research to look into Belarusian soccer and ping pong 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.000 and all that, the betting limits aren't high enough right 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.720 now for me, it wouldn't be worth the time to 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.800 do the research to bet, you know, two limits on 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.839 these sports. So yeah, I've just been you know, not 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.400 doing sports betting for a while. And the first week 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.040 was really hard. Uh, you know, there was a it 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.240 was a little bit of withdrawal symptoms going on here. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.240 But since then it's you know, eased into it, and 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.360 I've kind of enjoyed not having to wake up and 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.240 you know, rush to the computer and look at the 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.800 lines every day. It's It's been a little bit of 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.840 a release me too. I chose to view it as 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.800 sort of like a good thing here. The universe sort 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.160 of helped us out in whatever way it decided it 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.480 would I I I choose to view it that way 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.440 as well. So the NFL Draft nothing either, did you 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:30.320 dabble there? I actually did bet the NFL Draft for 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:34.840 the first time in years, probably in ever. I'm usually 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.719 betting baseball at that time in late April or I'm 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.960 wrapping up my NBA season, so I've never really paid 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.640 much attention to the draft. However, this year I did. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.200 At the end of March, I decided to just do 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.360 some line shopping. I decided to just look around, see 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.440 I knew the sharp books on props, and I kind 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.439 of played against their lines and found some weak lines. 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.000 And and actually, I'll have to admit I stepped in 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:04.199 a trap that you warned people about, the Clavon Chasson trap. Um. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.320 I bet total linebackers in the first round under four 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.600 and a half. There were four pure linebackers taken, and 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.200 then Chason was taken by the Jaguars, and he is 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.319 a edge rusher in a four three defense. He's alignment 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.600 in a three or four defense. He's a linebacker. One 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.320 book rated it as win, saying, oh, he's alignement, and 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.520 one book rated it as a loss saying he's a linebacker. 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.719 And that book won't seem to change their mind. We've 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:36.800 gone back and forth and you know, so predictable, Jack, 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.439 so predictable. You just knew that was going to be 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.160 a road bump for somebody. I'm sorry that it happened 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.080 to you. So listen what you're doing now and for 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:50.360 you know cutting too today. Um, you are doing a 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:55.439 YouTube series and it is really about make if I 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.760 could just put one big sense on it, on one umbrella, 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:02.480 it is about making people better. Better's e er o 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:07.480 r um sports betting, education, if you will. And before 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.840 we get even before we even get into the topics 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.280 and some of the things you're doing, I just want 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.400 to I just want to commend you because over the years, 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.120 and I've done a podcast now for almost a decade 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.320 and when people last of it years now everybody has 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.760 a podcast, but back in the day, there were very few, 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.520 and when people would ask, you know, what is it 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.800 if you I'm doing a podcast like any any notes 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.960 of advice that you give and the very you know. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.280 I would only give two bits of advice because I 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.120 was like, I listen, I don't know anything. You could 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.800 be the greatest podcaster who's ever been. But the two 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.480 things that I think I do know are, you want 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.960 to get the technology right. You want to make sure 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.960 it sounds good, um before anything, because you will lose 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.720 more than of your people right off the top of 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:53.520 it doesn't sound good. And the other thing is you 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.320 have to prepare to be good because if you're good, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.960 people are going to want and expect you to put 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.440 out content on a regular basis, and it sort of 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.400 takes over your life. May I just say that what 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.240 you are doing on YouTube, sir, is I and I'm 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.160 and you may object to this, but I'm gonna make it. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:16.160 I'm gonna do something with hyperbole here. Perhaps I think 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:20.280 it is the best innovation, at least in our little 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.760 corner of the world, that there's ever been. You are 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.000 doing a spectacular job with the technology. You have figured 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.240 out how to take phone calls. How long did that 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.000 whole process take for you? Like, how long before you 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:37.360 were ready to actually put something out there? Well, thank you, 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.360 Gil that is high praise from you. I really appreciate that. 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.000 I actually have had this idea for about a year 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.040 and a half, probably since late two thousand eighteen, been 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.160 working at this, been trying to find a way to 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.680 make it work. And it was really paralysis by analysis 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.360 for me because I would I'd make these videos and 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.320 I just wouldn't want to put the content out there, 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.680 and I'd nitpick little things and it just was it 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.920 wasn't up to my standard. And then the pandemic hit 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.680 and I had more time on my hands, and people 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.560 started talking about this Zoom product, right, and you started 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.080 hearing all these things about Zoom, and I said, oh, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:13.720 you know, I've used Zoom a little bit. Let me 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.600 look into that. And I said, oh, look, there's the 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.320 ability to create a webinar. Uh. You know, I could 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.360 do a webinar where people could just attend live and 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.960 that would get me over my paralysis. I would just 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.280 basically go live and turn on the camera and talk 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.920 and maybe do a power point presentation on the side 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:31.800 of it. So that was kind of the genesis of it, 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.920 of this kind of iteration of what I'm doing, and 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.720 it worked and that kind of got me over that 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.480 stage fright in terms of the prerecorded videos as well. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.040 So I put out one prerecorded video. I got another 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.600 one coming out later this week. And they're very time intensive, 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.680 you know. I said that the first one I did, 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.800 it took me forty hours of actual labor to create 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.720 that video, seventeen minute video. And you know that's not 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.360 sustainable if you're a professional sports better doing forty hours 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:01.520 of anything else is not sustainable. Yeah, And I imagine 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.880 when sports comes back, it may it may change how 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:06.680 often you put these out. I want to get into 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.480 I gotta take a break here, I apologize. I want 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.720 to get into some of the topics that you've covered, uh, 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.600 from something as simple as five ways you can trim 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.399 the house edge which might not be simple as others, 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.919 to modeling. Coming back with Captain Jack right here on 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.919 a numbers game of Visa v Sports petting up. Welcome 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:26.520 back to a Numbers game with Gil Alexander. A numbers 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.640 game here at Visa and proudly brought to you by 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.520 man escaped dot com. Man Escape dot com as the 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.679 tools for your family jewels, you can get off and 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.960 free shipping with the code Visa at man escaped dot Com. 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.680 That's off at man Escaped dot com with promo code 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.240 v S I N. It's Gill Alexander live in San Francisco. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.520 Captain Jack Andrews kind enough to join us UH for 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.600 the hour and maybe beyond in fact from somewhere at 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.440 an undisclosed location and UH in New Jersey. Uh, Jack, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.320 I wanna point out, and by the way, for those 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.200 who don't know, you can follow Jack on Twitter at 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.760 cap Jack two thousand, pro better consumer advocate for the 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.399 sports book industry. This is a quote, may I quote 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.440 something from this UH piece that was done about you 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.600 at us BET. I believe it was written by Eric Raskin, 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.080 and I think this is a by the way, he 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.520 did a wonderful job with this piece about you. But 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.560 here's a quote from you which I think sort of 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.880 covers it all the sort of place that you're coming 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.280 from with all this quote, we need to flatten the 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.320 curve when it comes to sports betting losses. If we 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.360 make consumers dollars last longer, we can have a more 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:36.040 sustainable sports betting industry, one where sports books don't have 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:40.040 to fear sharp money as much because liquidity won't dry up. 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:44.320 Unquote explain that to someone who might have landed on 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.200 this more of a novice better and it's gonna say 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:50.480 what does he mean by that? Well, right now, we 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.639 have a situation where sports books are just trying to 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.360 acquire customers in mass as much as they can. Marketing 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.439 spend is through the roof when with a lot of 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.440 these new s its books, and as a result, they're 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.920 getting these these sports bettors in the door that are 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.359 are fresh into sports betting or or they just have 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.600 a recreational slant to it, and they're being encouraged to 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.359 make bad bets. Uh. You know you always see on 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.000 Twitter sports book promote like, hey, this guy just hit 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.280 a nine team parlay. Well, you know what the odds 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.760 of hitting a nine team parlay or minuscule. The compound 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.800 house sets that you're playing into when you're betting a 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:29.119 high team parlay like that is massive. It's a bad bet. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.800 And when you encourage people to make these bad bets, 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.840 basically what you're doing is you're accelerating their loss because 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.879 the natural progression of any better is you're going to 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.000 chase your losses. So if you make a five team 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:42.800 parlay and it loses, the next time, you're trying to 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.920 make a seven team parlay to make up the difference, 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:46.840 and then a nine team parlay, and you know, you 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.200 can see how it would go. So we're all very 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:54.600 familiar with these curves lately, unfortunately, and actually it has 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.320 a good analogy to sports betting because a lot of 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:00.480 sports betters are coming into sports betting and they're in 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.040 basically a really sharp curve. As if we had never 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.520 done any of this social distancing, we all saw what 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.840 that curve look like. Well, that's what a lot of 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:09.520 these sports bedders are in right now. When they come 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.240 into sports betting, they just lose their money fast, They 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:16.359 flash out, and they're probably done until maybe next NFL season, 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.359 or uh, maybe they're done forever. Maybe they just sour 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.480 to the whole concept of sports betting. But if we 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.639 would let them sustain their money a little longer. In 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.000 other words, you know, we all know sports betting is 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.200 not easy to win at. And I'm not saying that 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.760 I can create winners, but I am saying I can 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.120 help you lose your money slower and make it last 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:40.360 longer and hopefully increase your entertainment value of your sports 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.960