WEBVTT - Vance & Walz Become Friends During Debate 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.400 Also media. I just want to start off by saying 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:07.440 I love you. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.319 Oh God, yeah, yeah, I love you. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:11.920 Yeah. 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.240 I don't think jd Vance should be saying the word 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.600 love because it it just makes it clear every time 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:18.439 he does that he's never felt that emotion. 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:22.919 No, No, there was something particularly unsettling about him saying that. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.480 It's like when I try to order food in French 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.120 and it's like, Robert, you're not fooling anyone, Like you 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.840 look this up on Google right before getting to the restaurant, 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.600 Like you're not going to impress anyone. No, I guess 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.680 let's start with a fuck Mary kill for the guys 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.839 that know the Secret Service will get pissed at us 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:39.760 if we do that one. 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:44.239 No, it could happen here and this is the US 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.360 the Shit VP Debate episode. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.000 Yeah, I'm so Felix Triven. I'm here with Kirsten Davis 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:49.919 at Robert Evans. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:50.880 Yeah. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.239 Wow, what a great use of two hours that was? 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:55.000 That really was? 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.680 I am behind this week horribly, still haven't picked the 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.880 subject for this week. Desperately desperately behind, and I shared 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.399 in love that this was a complete waste of all 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.240 of our fucking time, not a complete waste because we 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.720 learned something important, which is that the Democrat who seemed 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.320 to have the best understanding of how to fight Republicans 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.120 maybe just got lucky or or got coached into some 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.479 very bad advice by a Democrat who should have known better. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.280 Hey, Robert, I just want to say thank you for 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:24.959 saying that, Like I agree with you. I just want 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:26.560 to say thank you for saying Zoby. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.920 You and I are great friends. Everything you say is 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.679 terrible and wrong, but I agree with you on most 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:33.040 of it, And thank. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:34.680 You and thank you and thank you for saying that. 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.039 I just really appreciate that. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.839 You know, whoever told him that Americans wanted to see 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.360 him be friendly with jd Vance was not a friend 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.280 of the republic or of him. I think I don't 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:50.480 think it'll work. I've been wrong before. It definitely seems 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.920 to have worked if your recollection of like what Fox 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.720 and the other anchors were saying, they seem to be 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.639 pretty positive on Walls's performance, So it may be working 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.120 online media gules. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.920 But that's who watched the VP debate. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:06.440 That is who watches the debate. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.560 Yeah right, I mean that is the audience. 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.399 Yeah, only the fucking sickos. Who are keening on politics 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:14.960 watch the VP debate. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.080 I guess I don't really believe this, but I'm going 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.600 to like my devil's advocate would be, maybe it's smart 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.600 strategy to accept that only media gules listen to this. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.160 The only real way for the debate to matter is 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.400 if you like fuck up. Sure, And there was more 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.960 risk of seeming like a lunatic if he went in 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.240 there attacking JD as hard as he could and getting 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.160 negative press, as opposed to this, which probably is not 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:39.480 going to get him negative press. 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.240 I think he probably had multiple strategies, And like if JD. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.000 Vance had come in there and started saying some of 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.120 the things that he normally says, which are fucking weird 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.560 and creepy, but he didn't an unhinged and fascist, misogynistic, 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.200 and I could continue, but then we might have seen 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:55.480 a different Tim Walls. 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:56.400 But because JD. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.480 Vance's entire strategy was like, hey, I can appear normal 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:01.400 even though I'm not. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.800 Well, I don't quite understand the hesitancy to then actually 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.000 bring those things just forefront. They were there, and why 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.519 not talk about it, Because like my initial takeaway here 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.639 is I don't think anyone necessarily clearly won. I think 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.200 both of them did just fine. But if anyone comes 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.840 out slightly better than what they were going in, I 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:23.080 would say it is Vance. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:23.799 It's Vance. 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:28.840 I would agree, because somehow Walls was able to humanize 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.320 Vance over the course of the debate. They were it 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:35.080 was a very very friendly exchange, and that just serves 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.280 to undercut the months of work that Walls has done 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:43.240 to paint Vance as a weird, unhinged extremist, which he is, 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.600 and instead making him seem like just a reasonable politician 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.800 that although we may disagree on a few things, we 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.440 actually agree on a lot of a lot of the 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:51.520 problems and solutions. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:55.200 We both care about this country. We're trying to help people, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.480 and like no jd. Vance. Like there was that bit 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.400 where they were talking about mass shootings and he was like, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.960 I truly believe that Vance cares about these kids. Jadie. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.400 Vance doesn't give a shit about dead kids, never has, 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.440 never will. He's not capable of it. And it undercut 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.520 one of the more powerful moments that Walls had where 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.360 he was like, my son was at a. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.360 Mass shooting, christ have mercy. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.800 It was so interesting too, because I know Walls is 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.400 and I know that I'm coming into this as the 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.760 guy who's generally pretty anti gun control, but I'm just 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:28.680 from perspective of Democratic Party strategy. Number one, this is 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.360 something they go after hard, so you can't half asset right. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.160 This is not like the border where they really do 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.880 feel the need to lean into the right wing argument. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.120 The dims are very unequivocal about what they about, like 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.240 the fact that they want to ban IRA fifteen's. Walls 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.360 didn't really commit to that until a little bit when 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.800 he was specifically pushed on whether or not he agreed 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.480 with an assault weapons ban, and instead his language up 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.480 until that point was not very different from Vance's aside 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.200 from their disagreement over fortifying schools, but it was all 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:04.320 stuff around the guns, whereas the Democratic Parties line and 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.000 the line of most Democratic politicians has been it's about 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.120 the guns. And I did find it interesting that Walls 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.160 he had to kind of be goaded into really embracing 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:15.479 that by the moderator. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.359 Now, one of the first things I noticed from watching 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.120 the debate, which just happened like once or twice, then 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.080 I realized this was just like a reoccurring trend across 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.359 the whole night, is that each candidate would try to 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.720 separate the other, yeah, from their running mate, to be like, 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.760 I'm sure Walls or I'm sure Vance agrees with me 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.640 on this, but their running mate doesn't and that's the 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.000 real problem. And this just kept happening. They kept trying 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.840 to like, yep, be nice to the actual opponent in 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.200 the debate by separating them out from their running mate. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.200 Who's the real source of the problem. And that's just like, 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.240 it just just kept happening, Like what are you doing, 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.679 Like you're running on a joint ticket. There's no reason 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.039 to do this. And I think kind of part of 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.720 what their strategy may have been. Yes, these debates are 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.559 probably only watched by freaks, but I think they're also 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:04.000 in freaks who are like weird, like independent centristy freaks, 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.479 and I think this is who they were going after this. 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.200 This entire debate was focused on appealing to the center. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.839 It wasn't really based on like going heavy into like 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.359 each side's own base because people they've already made up 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.159 their minds. And I think the the issue for me 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.200 at the end of this debate is because both of 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.160 them were we're trying to court the center vote. I 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.840 think Vans did about just as good as Walls did 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.359 going after the center by and and Walls kind of 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:36.320 even even helped them. And in effect, if Vance comes 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.520 off as just a slightly better debater when they're going 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.280 after the same base, that just leaves Walls with like 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.120 not really making any ground where he could have actually 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.440 just hit hit Vance quite hard and actually gone more 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.640 on like a party line or actually just like gone 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.400 more towards like all the reasons that Advance is fucked up, 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.560 which he just would she would, she just avoided to do. Yeah, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.760 so my my my main takeaway was like, if they're 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.640 both according to the Center and Vance kind of barely edged 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.200 him out in some regards, maybe Walls should have just 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.880 actually been way more aggressive, and the kind of lack 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.600 of aggression really only hurt the Democrats because in the 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.880 end it kind of benefits Vance. If you give this 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.040 like half assed mediocre performance. 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.600 We'll see where it Because again, this is not being 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.080 listened to by average people in the same way that 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.000 like the last presidential debate was. This is not I 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:26.960 don't think moves the needle one way or the other. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.920 Because it was so close, I would be inclined to 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.000 agree with you that I think Vance did more of 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.000 the things he needed to do for this to be 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.440 a benefit to him. I'm not sure in a way 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.160 that helps the campaign, because most of what Vance did 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.880 that probably helps him was stuff that I think would 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.080 set him up better in a world where Trump doesn't 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.240 win reelection. Sure that would set him up to continue 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.160 to have a career and to be re embraced by 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:54.960 respectable kind of politics. The thing that makes me kind 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.720 of doubt myself because I think there's a possibility this 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.360 comes out as a Wall win. And if that is 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.480 the case, it will be entirely because of the last 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.680 question on January sixth, Because the way these things tend 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.280 to work in popular memory, not again people like us 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.360 who sit through the whole thing, all of nearly all 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.480 of them are journalists or unusually engaged voters. But the 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.200 thing that there's two moments that are most likely one 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.680 from each of them, in my opinion, to get clipped 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.200 out and go viral. And for Vance it was the 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:28.040 January sixth thing where Walls drilled him, and I think 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.040 this was actually one of his few fairly effective aggressive 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.959 moments where he was like yeah, forced him to answer, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.839 and Vance refused to answer as to whether or not 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.120 he thought Trump had lost in twenty twenty in a 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.920 way that was I think kind of embarrassing for him 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.280 and is easy, probably pretty easy to clip out. That 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.560 might wind up being the big kind of viral moment 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.959 of the night. If it's not that, it'll be Walls flubbing. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.400 We should talk about the China question now. Yeah, but 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.040 I don't think the China question that Walls flubbed is 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.560 on an issue that like Americans overall care about, which 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.880 is Tim Walls now maybe exaggerating when he talked about 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.199 his vacation in China one time in the eighties. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.559 Yeah, let's take a quick break and then let's dive 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:09.480 in a little bit on that. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:21.280 Yeah. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.480 So, first off, everyone in this debate pronounced China correctly, 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.240 which is a step forward from the ones that have 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.160 involved Trump the last couple of cycles. The downside is 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.280 no one knows how to say it on not a 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:34.440 single person. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.800 And not a single mention of Ukraine. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.640 Oh yeah, well that was interesting to me, That is interesting. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.000 Yeah, not one moment where we talked about Ukraine, which. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:48.160 They kind of blazed past foreign policy really quickly, which 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.720 is a little surprising. Considering the events of this morning. 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.439 There are literally missiles landing in Tel Aviv right now, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.440 like people are talking with I think some reason as 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.040 to whether or not Israel might consider it nuclear response, 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.640 Like shit is legitimately a problem. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.920 I mean, And this is how they started the debate. 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.240 They started by talking about how this was going to 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.120 be like a debate focused on how presidents or these 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.120 vice presidents will handle like America in a sudden crisis 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.920 as we've seen with the hurricane this weekend and now 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.360 escalating or in the in the Middle East. And although 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.960 that was their kind of opening framing, they really got 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.480 over those hurdles quite quick and then started talking about 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.320 extremely boring shit for the rest of the hour and 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:31.679 a half. 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.600 The very first question was basically, you know, Iran's bombing Israel, 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.400 which like I don't know with the Israel do anything 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:41.280 to fucking Lebanon right before that, like interesting context from 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.520 the journalist there, But Iran's bombing Israel. If you're in 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.520 the situation room, Tim Walls, what do you tell the 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.480 president if you're the last voice, should he let Israel 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.840 carry out a strike on Iran? And his response was 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.520 a carbon copy of what Kamala has said every time 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.240 she's been asked on it, Israel has a right to 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.520 defend itself. October seventh was horrible, but you know, civilian 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.079 casualty is bad too, So it was a non answer, 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.960 but it was the same non answer that the campaign 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.600 has always given, So I was not surprised by Well, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.679 it was exactly what I expected from him. 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.160 Started off a little shakey, certainly sounded nervous. I think 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.880 this immediately kind of gave Vance a head up. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.960 His first like three minutes, he was clearly uncomfortable. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.400 He got better, especially because like Vance has like a 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.520 debate kid energy, right, But Walls did start getting better 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.760 as soon as he pivoted away from this question to 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.959 just attacking Trump, which is kind of his strong suit. 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.880 Yeah, I think Vance's responsor is interesting. So Walls gave 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.960 He was a little shaky, I think just because they 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.080 had started because he got better on that, But he 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.920 gave what has become the standard non answer answer for 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.320 the campaign. JD. Vance started his answer on the question 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.599 of what would you tell the president if he was 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.720 asking if he should allow potentially, you know, a massive 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.080 escalative strike by Israel and Iran. What would you tell 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.160 him if you're the last guy in the situation room, 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.400 and Jdvan started the response to that by summarizing the 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.000 book He'll Billy ellig That was in fact, the bulk 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.400 of his response was him talking about who he is 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.760 and where he comes from and then being like, yeah, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.080 I guess it's fine if Israel does whatever. It was 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.400 an incredible response, and it struck me as the response 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.440 of a guy who doesn't think his partner is going 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.559 to become the president. Again, I thought that was very odd. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:21.920 Yeah. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.880 Yeah, he was positioning himself for future jobs. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:25.320 Correct. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.880 Yeah, I mean, he was different kind of than the 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.840 other answers. Maybe it was just they were both a 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.360 little bit off their game. First question. You know that 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:33.920 happens to everybody in a debate. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.199 They both were nervous. 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.160 Yeah, yeah, I mean, and this is this also when 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.640 Vance deployed his one of his reoccurring catchphrases is a 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:43.480 peace through strength. Yeah. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.000 Oh, I hated that. I hated that because it's also 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.199 I mean, that is very close to the quote from 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.679 the Brotherhood of Nod and Command and Conquer and JD. Vance, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.760 you are no Kine. You know who lives in death? 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.280 By the way, in general, I think vance painted Trump 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.320 is having like a provable track record of proving him 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.360 as like, like Trump is going to end the chaos 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.280 that we've faced as a nation in the past four years, 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.560 whether that be economic or with war. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.880 He was extremely consistent on that. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.160 And he's trying to point to, like was your life 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.240 better under Trump? Especially economically, and like everyone's brains were 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.520 completely fired by twenty twenty, so we actually no one 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.920 remembers what twenty seventeen was like at all, So you 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:29.600 actually can't recall that because whatsoever, let alone kind of 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.600 Trump's mishandling of the pandemic led to like the biggest 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.240 recession in modern history, which also for some reason Walls 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:37.079 just never brought up. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.320 Now, well he does it. He did a little. He 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.400 said that, like he talked about how when they came 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.600 in they were dealing with a massive recession. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:44.120 Yeah. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:44.559 Yeah. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.600 The second thing they talked about was climate change, which 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.319 was Jesse Waters of Foxes was very mad that that 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:53.959 was the second thing they talked about. 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.720 Were framing through Hurricane Helene. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.440 Yeah, he was very he was very upset about which 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.280 is okay, sir. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.600 That's oddly, you know, quickly accepted the climate change framing 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.800 for the sake of the argument, talked about how moving 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.960 energy production from the quote unquote dirtiest parts of the 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.680 world back to America, where we are the cleanest, would 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:18.920 be one way to help. 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.040 I think it would have worked on my dad that response, 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.280 like the whole you know, well, we'd cleave, so we 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.880 just got to bring back manufacturing. You know. It was 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.640 not a bad answer in terms of doing what he 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.560 needed to do. It was obviously nonsense, and the moderator 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.240 called him very well on that, like by just being like, 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.160 by the way, like there's no argument among scientists about 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:46.720 like how carbon impacts global warming. I think overall a 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.200 tire maybe slightly favoring walls that whole section. Yea, Like 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.560 he did not, Oh, I don't think he did badly there. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.680 No, I think Walls did a good job. Connecting the 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.840 economy to the environment. Yeah, how as the environment gets worse, 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.200 the local economy gets worse, especially for like farmer. It's 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.560 not like fly yeah green New Deal Democrats, but for 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.560 like everyday farmers. And again pivoted very quickly to just 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.200 attacking Trump and Trump's climate denial. I tried to press 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.520 vance on Trump's climate denial, and Vance kind of, you know, again, 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.800 tried to just blame for manufacturing, saying that Kamala's like 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:20.240 rhetorican record does not match her actual actions, which are 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:24.000 increasing foreign manufacturing in general. Advance kind of fell back 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.920 on a whole bunch of like nationalistic framing regarding the 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.680 environment and regarding like the economy, especially manufacturing. That was 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.440 one of his reoccurring talking points. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.960 Yeah, so we are getting to see some of the 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.720 times as spent in real time where they just published 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.400 Ross Duthat's article Vance's dominant debate performance shows why he's 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:45.200 Trump's running mate, And the url of the article shows 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.880 that it was initially put into the CMS about a 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.920 week ago on the twenty fifth, and they dropped the 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.080 article about halfway through the debate. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:54.200 So cool. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.040 That said, it's kind of unclear to me how the 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:58.280 rest of this is going to shake out. 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.840 They also could have just written two articles, one where 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.000 Vans did well and one where Walls did well. Yeah, 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.240 but that is still that's funny. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.600 I don't know that that'll matter either. We'll see where 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.640 people land. It was interesting to me Walls did do 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.520 something that I liked twice. Neither time did he give 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.520 it enough force. But he pointed out twice that a 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.040 big part of the housing crisis is vcs buying up 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.080 affordable housing, jacking up the price, jacking up the price 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.680 of rent, that that is like a massive issue. He 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.440 brought that up. He said housing shouldn't be treated as 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.520 a commodity, which I never expected to hear from a 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.280 candidate in one of these debates, but he brought them 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.840 both up like like a guy on a debate who 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.320 is like just kind of throwing out a side point 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.320 so you don't forget to say it as opposed to 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.600 someone emphasizing it. And the thing to do with jd 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.760 Vance is to point that you are one of those 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.240 venture capitalists. You are one of the people who was 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.720 hollowing out this country. And you know, Walls was good 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.480 at trying to repeatedly say it's not migrants who are 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.200 ruining like housing in this country, but he failed to 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.440 connect enough and he had the pieces there to be like, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.960 it's guys like you, Yeah, it's fucking it's fucking white 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.280 dudes in suits and earpieces who have made housing expensive. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.560 It is not people coming here from fucking Honduras, like 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.439 it's people like you who need to be rained in 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.560 by the government, and he just wasn't willing to commit 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.080 to the answer that he clearly had in his pocket. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.560 No, he just never went on the attack. And it's 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.720 just odd because he kept he was probably coached on this. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.040 But like I think it's coaching. 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.520 He did not do any of the things that gave 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.760 him this job in the first place. He didn't play 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.560 to any of his strengths. Instead, Vance was able to 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.719 play to Vance's own strengths, and Walls was able to 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.919 just be a slightly less polished moderate, Which why are 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.679 you trying to frame him as a slightly less polished 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.959 moderate going up against a debate kid like Vance. Walls 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.960 needs to be like on the attack. He actually needs 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.560 to show like a strong resistance in order to actually 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.280 like make a large impact in the debate. And that's 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.879 why I think this kind of largely swung towards Vance. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:17:59.720 Yes by the end, if they're both trying, if they're 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.320 trying to court this same like moderate vote. Now, as always, 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.760 the immigration section of these is always frustrating. No one 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.080 talks about how fentanyl was largely brought in via citizens. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.240 No one feels the need to bring that up CBS 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.960 did have a little fact check, or not a fact 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.080 check necessarily, but like a little comment talking about how 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.840 the majority of Americans pulled are in favor of deportations. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:27.400 But they specifically asked Vance, like, how is your military 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.320 deportation plan going to work and willly separate like children 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.720 that are born in the United States from illegal immigrants, 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.200 And Vance just refused to answer that question repeatedly to 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.840 try to get him to answer multiple times, he continually 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.240 refused it, instead saying that, like kommlass, border policy is 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.399 already a child separation policy. Yeah. 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.720 There was a great moment there where he got angry 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.560 at them for fact checking, fact checking specifically on his clims. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.119 But illegal immigrants in Springfield. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.320 Yeah, yeah, because those migrants in fact had legal status. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.399 And he was like, you guys said you weren't going 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:00.920 to fact check. 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.880