1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Also media. I just want to start off by saying 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: I love you. 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 2: Oh God, yeah, yeah, I love you. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: I don't think jd Vance should be saying the word 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: love because it it just makes it clear every time 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: he does that he's never felt that emotion. 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 4: No, No, there was something particularly unsettling about him saying that. 9 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: It's like when I try to order food in French 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: and it's like, Robert, you're not fooling anyone, Like you 11 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: look this up on Google right before getting to the restaurant, 12 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: Like you're not going to impress anyone. No, I guess 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: let's start with a fuck Mary kill for the guys 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: that know the Secret Service will get pissed at us 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: if we do that one. 16 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 4: No, it could happen here and this is the US 17 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 4: the Shit VP Debate episode. 18 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so Felix Triven. I'm here with Kirsten Davis 19 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: at Robert Evans. 20 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 21 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 3: Wow, what a great use of two hours that was? 22 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: That really was? 23 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: I am behind this week horribly, still haven't picked the 24 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: subject for this week. Desperately desperately behind, and I shared 25 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: in love that this was a complete waste of all 26 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: of our fucking time, not a complete waste because we 27 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: learned something important, which is that the Democrat who seemed 28 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 2: to have the best understanding of how to fight Republicans 29 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: maybe just got lucky or or got coached into some 30 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 2: very bad advice by a Democrat who should have known better. 31 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 4: Hey, Robert, I just want to say thank you for 32 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: saying that, Like I agree with you. I just want 33 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 4: to say thank you for saying Zoby. 34 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: You and I are great friends. Everything you say is 35 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: terrible and wrong, but I agree with you on most 36 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: of it, And thank. 37 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: You and thank you and thank you for saying that. 38 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: I just really appreciate that. 39 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 2: You know, whoever told him that Americans wanted to see 40 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: him be friendly with jd Vance was not a friend 41 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: of the republic or of him. I think I don't 42 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: think it'll work. I've been wrong before. It definitely seems 43 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: to have worked if your recollection of like what Fox 44 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: and the other anchors were saying, they seem to be 45 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 2: pretty positive on Walls's performance, So it may be working 46 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: online media gules. 47 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: But that's who watched the VP debate. 48 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: That is who watches the debate. 49 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean that is the audience. 50 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, only the fucking sickos. Who are keening on politics 51 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 4: watch the VP debate. 52 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: I guess I don't really believe this, but I'm going 53 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: to like my devil's advocate would be, maybe it's smart 54 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: strategy to accept that only media gules listen to this. 55 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: The only real way for the debate to matter is 56 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: if you like fuck up. Sure, And there was more 57 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: risk of seeming like a lunatic if he went in 58 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: there attacking JD as hard as he could and getting 59 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: negative press, as opposed to this, which probably is not 60 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: going to get him negative press. 61 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 4: I think he probably had multiple strategies, And like if JD. 62 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 4: Vance had come in there and started saying some of 63 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: the things that he normally says, which are fucking weird 64 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 4: and creepy, but he didn't an unhinged and fascist, misogynistic, 65 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 4: and I could continue, but then we might have seen 66 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 4: a different Tim Walls. 67 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: But because JD. 68 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 4: Vance's entire strategy was like, hey, I can appear normal 69 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: even though I'm not. 70 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 3: Well, I don't quite understand the hesitancy to then actually 71 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: bring those things just forefront. They were there, and why 72 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 3: not talk about it, Because like my initial takeaway here 73 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 3: is I don't think anyone necessarily clearly won. I think 74 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: both of them did just fine. But if anyone comes 75 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: out slightly better than what they were going in, I 76 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: would say it is Vance. 77 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: It's Vance. 78 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: I would agree, because somehow Walls was able to humanize 79 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 3: Vance over the course of the debate. They were it 80 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: was a very very friendly exchange, and that just serves 81 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: to undercut the months of work that Walls has done 82 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: to paint Vance as a weird, unhinged extremist, which he is, 83 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: and instead making him seem like just a reasonable politician 84 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: that although we may disagree on a few things, we 85 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: actually agree on a lot of a lot of the 86 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: problems and solutions. 87 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: We both care about this country. We're trying to help people, 88 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: and like no jd. Vance. Like there was that bit 89 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: where they were talking about mass shootings and he was like, 90 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: I truly believe that Vance cares about these kids. Jadie. 91 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: Vance doesn't give a shit about dead kids, never has, 92 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: never will. He's not capable of it. And it undercut 93 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: one of the more powerful moments that Walls had where 94 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: he was like, my son was at a. 95 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: Mass shooting, christ have mercy. 96 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: It was so interesting too, because I know Walls is 97 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: and I know that I'm coming into this as the 98 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: guy who's generally pretty anti gun control, but I'm just 99 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: from perspective of Democratic Party strategy. Number one, this is 100 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: something they go after hard, so you can't half asset right. 101 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: This is not like the border where they really do 102 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: feel the need to lean into the right wing argument. 103 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: The dims are very unequivocal about what they about, like 104 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: the fact that they want to ban IRA fifteen's. Walls 105 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: didn't really commit to that until a little bit when 106 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: he was specifically pushed on whether or not he agreed 107 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: with an assault weapons ban, and instead his language up 108 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: until that point was not very different from Vance's aside 109 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: from their disagreement over fortifying schools, but it was all 110 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: stuff around the guns, whereas the Democratic Parties line and 111 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: the line of most Democratic politicians has been it's about 112 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: the guns. And I did find it interesting that Walls 113 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: he had to kind of be goaded into really embracing 114 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: that by the moderator. 115 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 3: Now, one of the first things I noticed from watching 116 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: the debate, which just happened like once or twice, then 117 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: I realized this was just like a reoccurring trend across 118 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 3: the whole night, is that each candidate would try to 119 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: separate the other, yeah, from their running mate, to be like, 120 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure Walls or I'm sure Vance agrees with me 121 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: on this, but their running mate doesn't and that's the 122 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: real problem. And this just kept happening. They kept trying 123 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 3: to like, yep, be nice to the actual opponent in 124 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: the debate by separating them out from their running mate. 125 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: Who's the real source of the problem. And that's just like, 126 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: it just just kept happening, Like what are you doing, 127 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 3: Like you're running on a joint ticket. There's no reason 128 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 3: to do this. And I think kind of part of 129 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: what their strategy may have been. Yes, these debates are 130 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 3: probably only watched by freaks, but I think they're also 131 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: in freaks who are like weird, like independent centristy freaks, 132 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 3: and I think this is who they were going after this. 133 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: This entire debate was focused on appealing to the center. 134 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: It wasn't really based on like going heavy into like 135 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 3: each side's own base because people they've already made up 136 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: their minds. And I think the the issue for me 137 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: at the end of this debate is because both of 138 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 3: them were we're trying to court the center vote. I 139 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: think Vans did about just as good as Walls did 140 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 3: going after the center by and and Walls kind of 141 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: even even helped them. And in effect, if Vance comes 142 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: off as just a slightly better debater when they're going 143 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: after the same base, that just leaves Walls with like 144 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: not really making any ground where he could have actually 145 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: just hit hit Vance quite hard and actually gone more 146 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: on like a party line or actually just like gone 147 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: more towards like all the reasons that Advance is fucked up, 148 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: which he just would she would, she just avoided to do. Yeah, 149 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: so my my my main takeaway was like, if they're 150 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: both according to the Center and Vance kind of barely edged 151 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: him out in some regards, maybe Walls should have just 152 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: actually been way more aggressive, and the kind of lack 153 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: of aggression really only hurt the Democrats because in the 154 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: end it kind of benefits Vance. If you give this 155 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: like half assed mediocre performance. 156 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: We'll see where it Because again, this is not being 157 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: listened to by average people in the same way that 158 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: like the last presidential debate was. This is not I 159 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: don't think moves the needle one way or the other. 160 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: Because it was so close, I would be inclined to 161 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: agree with you that I think Vance did more of 162 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: the things he needed to do for this to be 163 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: a benefit to him. I'm not sure in a way 164 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: that helps the campaign, because most of what Vance did 165 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: that probably helps him was stuff that I think would 166 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: set him up better in a world where Trump doesn't 167 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: win reelection. Sure that would set him up to continue 168 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: to have a career and to be re embraced by 169 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: respectable kind of politics. The thing that makes me kind 170 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: of doubt myself because I think there's a possibility this 171 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: comes out as a Wall win. And if that is 172 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: the case, it will be entirely because of the last 173 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: question on January sixth, Because the way these things tend 174 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: to work in popular memory, not again people like us 175 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: who sit through the whole thing, all of nearly all 176 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: of them are journalists or unusually engaged voters. But the 177 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: thing that there's two moments that are most likely one 178 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: from each of them, in my opinion, to get clipped 179 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: out and go viral. And for Vance it was the 180 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: January sixth thing where Walls drilled him, and I think 181 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: this was actually one of his few fairly effective aggressive 182 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: moments where he was like yeah, forced him to answer, 183 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 2: and Vance refused to answer as to whether or not 184 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: he thought Trump had lost in twenty twenty in a 185 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: way that was I think kind of embarrassing for him 186 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: and is easy, probably pretty easy to clip out. That 187 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: might wind up being the big kind of viral moment 188 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 2: of the night. If it's not that, it'll be Walls flubbing. 189 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: We should talk about the China question now. Yeah, but 190 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: I don't think the China question that Walls flubbed is 191 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: on an issue that like Americans overall care about, which 192 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: is Tim Walls now maybe exaggerating when he talked about 193 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: his vacation in China one time in the eighties. 194 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's take a quick break and then let's dive 195 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 4: in a little bit on that. 196 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 197 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: So, first off, everyone in this debate pronounced China correctly, 198 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: which is a step forward from the ones that have 199 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: involved Trump the last couple of cycles. The downside is 200 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: no one knows how to say it on not a 201 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: single person. 202 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: And not a single mention of Ukraine. 203 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well that was interesting to me, That is interesting. 204 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, not one moment where we talked about Ukraine, which. 205 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: They kind of blazed past foreign policy really quickly, which 206 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: is a little surprising. Considering the events of this morning. 207 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 2: There are literally missiles landing in Tel Aviv right now, 208 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: like people are talking with I think some reason as 209 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: to whether or not Israel might consider it nuclear response, 210 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: Like shit is legitimately a problem. 211 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: I mean, And this is how they started the debate. 212 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: They started by talking about how this was going to 213 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: be like a debate focused on how presidents or these 214 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: vice presidents will handle like America in a sudden crisis 215 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: as we've seen with the hurricane this weekend and now 216 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: escalating or in the in the Middle East. And although 217 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: that was their kind of opening framing, they really got 218 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: over those hurdles quite quick and then started talking about 219 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 3: extremely boring shit for the rest of the hour and 220 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 3: a half. 221 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: The very first question was basically, you know, Iran's bombing Israel, 222 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: which like I don't know with the Israel do anything 223 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: to fucking Lebanon right before that, like interesting context from 224 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: the journalist there, But Iran's bombing Israel. If you're in 225 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: the situation room, Tim Walls, what do you tell the 226 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: president if you're the last voice, should he let Israel 227 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: carry out a strike on Iran? And his response was 228 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: a carbon copy of what Kamala has said every time 229 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: she's been asked on it, Israel has a right to 230 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: defend itself. October seventh was horrible, but you know, civilian 231 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 2: casualty is bad too, So it was a non answer, 232 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: but it was the same non answer that the campaign 233 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: has always given, So I was not surprised by Well, 234 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: it was exactly what I expected from him. 235 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: Started off a little shakey, certainly sounded nervous. I think 236 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: this immediately kind of gave Vance a head up. 237 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: His first like three minutes, he was clearly uncomfortable. 238 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: He got better, especially because like Vance has like a 239 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: debate kid energy, right, But Walls did start getting better 240 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: as soon as he pivoted away from this question to 241 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 3: just attacking Trump, which is kind of his strong suit. 242 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Vance's responsor is interesting. So Walls gave 243 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: He was a little shaky, I think just because they 244 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: had started because he got better on that, But he 245 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: gave what has become the standard non answer answer for 246 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: the campaign. JD. Vance started his answer on the question 247 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 2: of what would you tell the president if he was 248 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: asking if he should allow potentially, you know, a massive 249 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: escalative strike by Israel and Iran. What would you tell 250 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: him if you're the last guy in the situation room, 251 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: and Jdvan started the response to that by summarizing the 252 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: book He'll Billy ellig That was in fact, the bulk 253 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: of his response was him talking about who he is 254 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: and where he comes from and then being like, yeah, 255 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: I guess it's fine if Israel does whatever. It was 256 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: an incredible response, and it struck me as the response 257 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: of a guy who doesn't think his partner is going 258 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 2: to become the president. Again, I thought that was very odd. 259 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 260 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was positioning himself for future jobs. 261 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 3: Correct. 262 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he was different kind of than the 263 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: other answers. Maybe it was just they were both a 264 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: little bit off their game. First question. You know that 265 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: happens to everybody in a debate. 266 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: They both were nervous. 267 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and this is this also when 268 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: Vance deployed his one of his reoccurring catchphrases is a 269 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: peace through strength. Yeah. 270 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Oh, I hated that. I hated that because it's also 271 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 2: I mean, that is very close to the quote from 272 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: the Brotherhood of Nod and Command and Conquer and JD. Vance, 273 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: you are no Kine. You know who lives in death? 274 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: By the way, in general, I think vance painted Trump 275 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 3: is having like a provable track record of proving him 276 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: as like, like Trump is going to end the chaos 277 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: that we've faced as a nation in the past four years, 278 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 3: whether that be economic or with war. 279 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: He was extremely consistent on that. 280 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: And he's trying to point to, like was your life 281 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: better under Trump? Especially economically, and like everyone's brains were 282 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: completely fired by twenty twenty, so we actually no one 283 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: remembers what twenty seventeen was like at all, So you 284 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: actually can't recall that because whatsoever, let alone kind of 285 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 3: Trump's mishandling of the pandemic led to like the biggest 286 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: recession in modern history, which also for some reason Walls 287 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 3: just never brought up. 288 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: Now, well he does it. He did a little. He 289 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: said that, like he talked about how when they came 290 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: in they were dealing with a massive recession. 291 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. 292 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 293 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 4: The second thing they talked about was climate change, which 294 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 4: was Jesse Waters of Foxes was very mad that that 295 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 4: was the second thing they talked about. 296 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: Were framing through Hurricane Helene. 297 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was very he was very upset about which 298 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: is okay, sir. 299 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: That's oddly, you know, quickly accepted the climate change framing 300 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: for the sake of the argument, talked about how moving 301 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: energy production from the quote unquote dirtiest parts of the 302 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 3: world back to America, where we are the cleanest, would 303 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: be one way to help. 304 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: I think it would have worked on my dad that response, 305 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: like the whole you know, well, we'd cleave, so we 306 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: just got to bring back manufacturing. You know. It was 307 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: not a bad answer in terms of doing what he 308 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: needed to do. It was obviously nonsense, and the moderator 309 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: called him very well on that, like by just being like, 310 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: by the way, like there's no argument among scientists about 311 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: like how carbon impacts global warming. I think overall a 312 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: tire maybe slightly favoring walls that whole section. Yea, Like 313 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: he did not, Oh, I don't think he did badly there. 314 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: No, I think Walls did a good job. Connecting the 315 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: economy to the environment. Yeah, how as the environment gets worse, 316 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 3: the local economy gets worse, especially for like farmer. It's 317 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: not like fly yeah green New Deal Democrats, but for 318 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: like everyday farmers. And again pivoted very quickly to just 319 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: attacking Trump and Trump's climate denial. I tried to press 320 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: vance on Trump's climate denial, and Vance kind of, you know, again, 321 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: tried to just blame for manufacturing, saying that Kamala's like 322 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: rhetorican record does not match her actual actions, which are 323 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: increasing foreign manufacturing in general. Advance kind of fell back 324 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: on a whole bunch of like nationalistic framing regarding the 325 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: environment and regarding like the economy, especially manufacturing. That was 326 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: one of his reoccurring talking points. 327 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we are getting to see some of the 328 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: times as spent in real time where they just published 329 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: Ross Duthat's article Vance's dominant debate performance shows why he's 330 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: Trump's running mate, And the url of the article shows 331 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: that it was initially put into the CMS about a 332 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: week ago on the twenty fifth, and they dropped the 333 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: article about halfway through the debate. 334 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 5: So cool. 335 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: That said, it's kind of unclear to me how the 336 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: rest of this is going to shake out. 337 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 3: They also could have just written two articles, one where 338 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: Vans did well and one where Walls did well. Yeah, 339 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 3: but that is still that's funny. 340 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: I don't know that that'll matter either. We'll see where 341 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: people land. It was interesting to me Walls did do 342 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: something that I liked twice. Neither time did he give 343 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: it enough force. But he pointed out twice that a 344 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: big part of the housing crisis is vcs buying up 345 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: affordable housing, jacking up the price, jacking up the price 346 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: of rent, that that is like a massive issue. He 347 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: brought that up. He said housing shouldn't be treated as 348 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: a commodity, which I never expected to hear from a 349 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: candidate in one of these debates, but he brought them 350 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: both up like like a guy on a debate who 351 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: is like just kind of throwing out a side point 352 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: so you don't forget to say it as opposed to 353 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: someone emphasizing it. And the thing to do with jd 354 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: Vance is to point that you are one of those 355 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: venture capitalists. You are one of the people who was 356 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: hollowing out this country. And you know, Walls was good 357 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: at trying to repeatedly say it's not migrants who are 358 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: ruining like housing in this country, but he failed to 359 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: connect enough and he had the pieces there to be like, 360 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: it's guys like you, Yeah, it's fucking it's fucking white 361 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: dudes in suits and earpieces who have made housing expensive. 362 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: It is not people coming here from fucking Honduras, like 363 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: it's people like you who need to be rained in 364 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: by the government, and he just wasn't willing to commit 365 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: to the answer that he clearly had in his pocket. 366 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 3: No, he just never went on the attack. And it's 367 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: just odd because he kept he was probably coached on this. 368 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: But like I think it's coaching. 369 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: He did not do any of the things that gave 370 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: him this job in the first place. He didn't play 371 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: to any of his strengths. Instead, Vance was able to 372 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 3: play to Vance's own strengths, and Walls was able to 373 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: just be a slightly less polished moderate, Which why are 374 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 3: you trying to frame him as a slightly less polished 375 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 3: moderate going up against a debate kid like Vance. Walls 376 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 3: needs to be like on the attack. He actually needs 377 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: to show like a strong resistance in order to actually 378 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: like make a large impact in the debate. And that's 379 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 3: why I think this kind of largely swung towards Vance. 380 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: Yes by the end, if they're both trying, if they're 381 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: trying to court this same like moderate vote. Now, as always, 382 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: the immigration section of these is always frustrating. No one 383 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: talks about how fentanyl was largely brought in via citizens. 384 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: No one feels the need to bring that up CBS 385 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: did have a little fact check, or not a fact 386 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: check necessarily, but like a little comment talking about how 387 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: the majority of Americans pulled are in favor of deportations. 388 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 3: But they specifically asked Vance, like, how is your military 389 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: deportation plan going to work and willly separate like children 390 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 3: that are born in the United States from illegal immigrants, 391 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 3: And Vance just refused to answer that question repeatedly to 392 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: try to get him to answer multiple times, he continually 393 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: refused it, instead saying that, like kommlass, border policy is 394 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 3: already a child separation policy. Yeah. 395 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: There was a great moment there where he got angry 396 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: at them for fact checking, fact checking specifically on his clims. 397 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 3: But illegal immigrants in Springfield. 398 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because those migrants in fact had legal status. 399 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: And he was like, you guys said you weren't going 400 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: to fact check. 401 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: No, no, no, he didn't say, he shouted. 402 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, he yelled the rules were that you were not 403 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: kind of fact checked that. He just explained how immigration 404 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: like works, how legal immigration works. 405 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 2: They were like, thank you for explaining how immigration works. 406 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: Thank you for explaining the legal process of immigration. This 407 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: has been one thing that Vance has been doing on 408 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: the campaign trails just explaining the legal process of immigration 409 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: and just saying I'm still gonna call this illegal because 410 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 3: I wanted to be illegal, and you're like, okay, you can't. 411 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 3: Like I guess, I guess we could just use words 412 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: to read whatever we want. Sure, why not? 413 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: M Yeah, if this comes out in the public opinion 414 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: being in Wolves's favor, it'll be because of those moments. Yeah, 415 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: that one at the end, in those moments where Vance 416 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: was like yelling and they cut out his mic at 417 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 2: one point. Yeah, like that kind of stuff. I don't think. 418 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, I don't think anyone's going to 419 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: really listen to this beta debate enough for there to 420 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: be it to make much of an impact. But those 421 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: were not great moments for him. 422 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, but those are the kind of things that get 423 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 4: clipped out and spread across the internet. Yeah, so we'll 424 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 4: see and so the people that didn't watch the entire thing, 425 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 4: well some of them will see clips like that. 426 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 427 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: I think the immigration section certainly showed kind of walls. 428 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: In his stronger moments, talking about how the past year 429 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: we've actually seen a decrease in opia deaths, he continued 430 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 3: to talk about how Trump killed the bipartisan, a conservative 431 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: immigration bill, which we're probably not fans of, but he's 432 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 3: trying to make it play well electorally. And then pivoted 433 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 3: to Springfield and said, how like the Republican mayor came 434 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 3: out and said none of this stuff was true, but 435 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: Trump and Vance kept viewing it. State law enforcement had 436 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 3: to escort kids to school. But even in this like 437 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: Springfield section, which Walls was the first one to bring up, 438 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: Vance was the big driver of this lie. But even 439 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: in Walls's mention of this, he tries to separate Vans 440 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: from Trump. He primarily blamed Trump for this and totally 441 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: just like ignore Advance's massive contribution to this, like big 442 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 3: this information campaign that led to these bomb threats. You 443 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: just let Vance get off easy, and I think this 444 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: part was saved. Kind of buy this little fact check 445 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 3: and Vance's little meltdown over this legal immigration comment. But 446 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 3: still it kind of showed a little bit of Even 447 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: in Walls's stronger moments, he refused to like really harp 448 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 3: on Vance for being weird. 449 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of people who watched the debate, I don't 450 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: think our sponsors did because they have real jobs. 451 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: Hello, we are back now. One of the biggest issues 452 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: for me in this campaign is how much time exactly 453 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 3: did Walls spend in Hong Kong. This is like really 454 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: one of the primary issues impacting my vote. 455 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: There were one hundred and fifty thousand people in the 456 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 2: streets in New York City today demanding to know whether 457 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: or not to Walls was really in China during the 458 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: Taneman Square uprisings. 459 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 3: You know, thankfully CBS News is on the case. 460 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: Yes, we didn't have a second for Ukraine, not one second. 461 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: There was at no point any questions asked about the 462 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: loss of life due to the genocide in Gaza, not one. 463 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: But by god, this this was really goofy. Basically, they 464 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: asked Walls with this comment he made in twenty fourteen 465 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: about being in Hong Kong during the Tanneman Square massacre, 466 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 3: when kind of reporting shows that he only arrived in August, 467 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: basically like two or three months later. And I don't 468 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: know if either Walls just misunderstood the question or purposely 469 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: avoided it. But instead of talking with this, you know, 470 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 3: summarized his entire career, both as a school teacher and 471 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: in politics, and then emphasized that although he spent time 472 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 3: in China, he is he is loyal to the United States, 473 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: And it was just really odd and like you can 474 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: even see events like slowly like smirking the longer. Walls 475 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 3: just kept going on about his career, and at the 476 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: end of his like weird like non answer about his 477 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: commitment to the United States, the moderators asked again, They're like, well, 478 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: were you there for the massacre? And then he very 479 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: quickly clarified. I was like, uh, I mean, yeah, I 480 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 3: might have. I might have misspoke. I don't understand why 481 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: you wouldn't just very clearly say yeah, I misspoke. I 482 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 3: was there for the aftermath of the massacre. I was 483 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: there during the uprising. 484 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: More I got misquoted. I was there the year of 485 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: the uprising. Yeah, he was there. 486 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: During some of the uprising, but he was but he 487 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 3: arrived in the aftermath of the massacre. I don't know 488 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 3: why I can just say, yes, I arrived the aftermath 489 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: of the massacre. I misspoke ten years ago. Like it's 490 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 3: very simple. Your weird, long, two minute avoided answer just 491 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: makes you like look like weak and unnecessarily slimy. It 492 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. 493 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 4: It just is weird, because of course were gonna ask 494 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 4: that question, why, Why did you not have a prepared answer? 495 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,239 Speaker 3: I mean, this only became a new story today, like 496 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: this this, this only became a new story like like 497 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: a few hours ago. 498 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 4: Still have some kind of a prepared generic answer. 499 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: I'm sure he did. My guess is that if I 500 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: was debate prepping him, I would have assumed they were 501 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: going to ask one of the questions about his service 502 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: based on all of like the different sort of like 503 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 2: totally right wing shit coming out. Everything about his performance 504 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: was the result of a guy who was over prepared 505 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: and prepared by people whose focus was on him not 506 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: upsetting the apple cart and embarrassing the campaign, not on 507 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: him winning. That is how he was coached, and he 508 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: was well prepared as a general rule for the most part. 509 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 2: When JD. Vance would like make a claim about you know, Fittanel, 510 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 2: he had a counter fact right that he could bring up, 511 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: and he did that reasonably well. He seemed confident about 512 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: the information he clearly put in the work, but none 513 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: of what he was prepared for was hurting Vance. He 514 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 2: was entirely prepared to not make an easy fuck up, 515 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 2: which maybe is the smart move if you're just like 516 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: we just don't want this to upset anything, because there's 517 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: no way it'll help. Like, my guess is that he 518 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: was told going into this by his handlers this debate 519 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 2: is not going to win us the election, but it 520 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: could lose us the election. So what we need to 521 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: make sure happens is that you don't fuck anything up 522 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: or seem too mean or seem too weird yourself. So 523 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: we are going to like train you to be as 524 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: boring as possible, and they did that. 525 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: And like, as a follow up, Vance was asked about 526 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 3: his previous like anti Trump like Hitler comments and specifically 527 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: was asked, like if he can be trusted to actually 528 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 3: like give Trump good honest advice and not just to 529 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: say whatever he thinks Trump wants to hear, which Vance 530 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: gave us similarly avoidant answer and just talked about tariffs. 531 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: And then the moderators did not follow up with Vance 532 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: no about his avoided answers, So there you go. The 533 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 3: abortion segment is basically a rehash of what happened in 534 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 3: the in the Kamala Trump debate, with like Vance talking 535 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 3: about a billin Minnesota who that he claimed like leads 536 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 3: to the death of like babies who were aborted, Like 537 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: after birth or like some kind of odd thing that 538 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: just isn't true. That was pretty silly. This was one 539 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 3: of the issues where he was weakest, and I think 540 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: we were also maybe slightly upset that Walls again was 541 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 3: kind of was kind of hands off on this. Historically, 542 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: Vance has made some a lot of crazy comments on 543 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: podcasts about this topic, and neither the moderators nor Walls 544 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: really pressed him super hard on it. Advanced himself tried 545 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 3: to largely be on the attack with this like late 546 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: term abortion, killing babies after birth thing that Walls just 547 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 3: tried to easily kind of brush aside as just not 548 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: being true. Speaking of healthcare, Vance oddly tried to claim 549 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 3: that Trump like saved Obamacare. At this point in the debate, 550 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 3: things just kind of started getting a little bit boring. 551 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 3: I don't think this debate had as many like good 552 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 3: questions as the last one. It was a very like 553 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 3: twenty twelve style debate. It just it just it was flat. 554 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 3: It didn't feel kind of like present. So they talked 555 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: about Obamacare, how Trump saved Obamacare, and Walls talked about 556 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 3: how Trump hurt Obamacare. Just kind of boring back and forth, 557 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 3: and then finally the last question was about like democracy 558 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 3: in January sixth, election denial, that kind of stuff. Vance 559 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 3: opened by saying, like, we have other issues to solve 560 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: beyond election denial. He said that we should we should 561 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 3: have like open debate about the issues of the twenty 562 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: twenty election. He then downplayed January sixth and emphasized instead 563 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: the bigger threat to democracy was Facebook censorship and how 564 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 3: people are like ending friendships over political disagreements, and this 565 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 3: was bizarre. I think this was Wall's strongest moment. He 566 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: talked about how there was one hundred and forty police 567 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 3: officers assaulted on January sixth, some who later died. He 568 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: mentioned this other story about how, like on January sixth, 569 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: there were similar protests in a whole bunch of different states, 570 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 3: and he mentioned one in Minnesota whre people threatened to 571 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 3: like march to his home and his kid and his 572 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: dog need to be like escorted out by police because 573 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: people were like threatening to go to his home saying 574 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 3: that there might be casualties. I thought that was maybe 575 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 3: that was that was a pretty good moment for Walls 576 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 3: brought up how people in January sixth tried to kill 577 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: Mike Pence, which everyone seems. 578 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: To forget it's not talked about enough. 579 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, look that's one of those things where 580 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 2: like my issues, so there are political not about the 581 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 2: specific ads. 582 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah. 583 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 3: Vans tried to be like, hey, you know everyone does 584 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 3: a little election denial. In twenty sixteen, there was Russia Gate, 585 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: and I think Walls did a pretty good follow up 586 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 3: by saying, like January sixth wasn't about Facebook ads, It 587 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: wasn't like that wasn't the problem. The problem was the 588 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: people storming the capital trying to kill everyone inside, like 589 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: that was the real issue. And real censorship is stuff 590 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: like book banning. First time we had a mention of 591 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 3: any of that. But even in this section about Jay 592 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: six he still like thanked Vance for having this conversation 593 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 3: and then asked him if Trump lost the election, which 594 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: Vance just avoided avoided answering, instead asking Walls did Combalesce 595 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: censor Americans on Facebook? Which is just great, Yeah, just 596 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: a great equally important problems. 597 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, these two, these two issues, and unfortunately Walls's initial 598 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: response was like I don't run Facebook, which just say 599 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: he's lying, Like, just call him a liar to him, Yeah, 600 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: he's a liar. 601 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: It's wild that like we're talking about like January sixth, 602 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 3: and Advance's biggest concern is people being banned on Facebook. Like, 603 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 3: I think that's not going to play well for him. 604 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: It's not going to play well. But also, yeah, it 605 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: was just a missed opportunity. There were a lot of those. 606 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: The entire debate was a missed opportunity. 607 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: RT. Yeah, and like Walls is I think slight fumble here. 608 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: You can point to his like closing statements saying like 609 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 3: I'm surprised that we have this coalition from like Bernie 610 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 3: Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift. You're like, yeah, 611 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 3: that is that is a little surprising. Maybe that's the 612 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: bit of the problem. 613 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: Oh, that was a nightmare line for. 614 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: Me, Of all the names to drop Dick Cheney. 615 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 3: Dick Cheney and Taylor Swift hand in hands. 616 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: Well, because like even among moderates, do you think Dick 617 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: Cheney's popular? 618 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: That was my last straw. 619 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 4: I was like, who who prepped him? Who did his 620 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 4: debate prep? Who agreed that statement? 621 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: Someone who really likes fucking Dick Cheney? Was it Carl Rove? 622 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: Did they get Carl Rove again? God damn? 623 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: It was Hillary involved with this debate prep. 624 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 4: Like shoot, like, I know the Clintons were involved with 625 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 4: with commwa's debate prep. 626 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: Were they involved with with Tim Wallas's debate prep? 627 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure, but I think this kind of 628 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: underlines I know, this is kind of a larger issue 629 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 3: with like the Democratic Party in the year twenty twenty four, 630 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: but I think this also underlines, like the my issue 631 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 3: with Walls's performance here is, like this debate, both candidates 632 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 3: were going after the Dick Cheney voter. They were going 633 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 3: after like neo cons and independence. 634 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: The literal devil yes, and like for that base. 635 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: I think Vance does appeal to them more in this debate. 636 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 3: I think Vance did a better job appealing to those 637 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: people in this debate, which left Walls coming off is 638 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 3: just slightly worse and not really giving him any like 639 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: standout like performances. I think if if Walls actually like 640 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 3: emphasized all the reasons that Vance is a freak and 641 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: is bad, I think that may have showed him to 642 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: be more of a unique candidate. Instead, they both came 643 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 3: off as just kind of boring moderates, which just doesn't 644 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: make sense because that's like the opposite reason that both 645 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 3: of these men were picked for their chops. They were 646 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 3: both picked to represent this slightly more extreme wing of 647 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: the party, with Walls being a bit more progressive and 648 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: Vance being a bit more fascist. Now it makes sense 649 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 3: that Vance is going to go after the moderates. I 650 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,479 Speaker 3: just don't think Walls needed to agree. 651 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 5: Hmm. 652 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: That's kind of all my all my thoughts on this 653 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: riveting to our debate. 654 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: I have to say me too, man, m Well, we've. 655 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: Got a flash poll from CBS News forty two percent 656 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: for Vance, forty one percent for Walls sixteen percent set 657 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: a tie. 658 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: Great, Yeah, that was the general. That was the general. 659 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: That was the general vibe. 660 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Fox Fox News was Walls was good enough. Vance 661 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: did just fine. 662 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 4: No, the moderator's obnoxious moderators smug and arrogant bias, but 663 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 4: that's just typical. 664 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 3: I think the moderators were fine. I think overall, it 665 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 3: wasn't a very well laid out debate. I think the 666 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 3: fact that Vans was able to be humanized with the 667 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: assistance of Walls makes Vance kind of the winner in 668 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: the way that like this did more to benefit Advance 669 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 3: than it did to benefit Walls, and the fact that 670 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: Walls kind of acted counterintuitively to his whole line of 671 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: messaging from the past year is a fundamental mistake that 672 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 3: I think I hope that Democrats would like reevaluate going forward, 673 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: but they're the Democrats. 674 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 4: So just interesting, interesting take that I've seen online, and 675 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 4: also a take for my Midwest moderate Democrat mother is 676 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 4: She said to me, just remember Tim is from the Midwest. 677 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 4: In Minnesota is the most Midwest there is. It is 678 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 4: not it is nature to be anything but polite. Not 679 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 4: what we're used to seeing in a debate. But it 680 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 4: was a little refreshing, So okay, So I'm. 681 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: Just saying, yeah, if you went into this already liking Walls, 682 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: this won't make you dislike Wall. 683 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm already My mom definitely already liked. 684 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 3: Right like and like. That's why I think this is 685 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: largely just largely inconsequential. Even e Vance got a little 686 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 3: bit of a lake up, it is largely inconsequential. 687 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: Do you know who the winner of the debate was? 688 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 4: Minnesota sounds like a great place to live, got great 689 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 4: pr tonight, I guess. 690 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: So Walls was clearly doing the best here when he 691 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: was like just talking about how nice Minnesota is. 692 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: It's great here. 693 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 2: And Tim. We all know what the winters are like there. 694 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 2: You're fool You're not fooling anybody like come on, sir. 695 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: That said, if you live in the Portland area, or 696 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: really anywhere in southern California, move to Minnesota. Just just 697 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 2: get on out of here. You'll love it. You're gonna 698 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: have a great time. Everyone in Minnesota is gonna love you. 699 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: People love Californians when they move other places, it goes well. 700 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 2: It's always happy, always is always a good time. So 701 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: if I had any advice to end on, it's people 702 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 2: who are currently in Los Angeles. Move to Minnesota. 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