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He's 11 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Connor Rodgers if you want to hear his Draft takes though, 12 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: one of the three or four best draft podcasts. After that, 13 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: I always listened to religiously the NFL stock exchange that 14 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: he does with our buddy Trevor Sikima. Will buy a 15 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. Go search for that on your favorite 16 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: podcast platform. What's going on, Connor? How are you man? 17 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 3: I'm good, John, Thanks for having me, dude. This is uh, 18 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: you know, this is one of those ones that you. 19 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 4: Get a little extra excited for when you like the 20 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 4: team's drafts. And I just think the Giants did so 21 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 4: well that this is this is a fun group to. 22 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: Talk about absolutely and and you're a New York guy, 23 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: so we always like to have you on to talk 24 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: some giants here. So give me your twenty thousand foot 25 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: overview of of what the Giants did before we start 26 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: digging into the individual players. 27 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 4: The right balance of value in needs right. So many 28 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 4: teams go into the draft. It's interesting to me how 29 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 4: scrutinize a team like the Lions have been when they 30 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 4: attacked certain needs as well, but everybody thought they didn't 31 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 4: get value. So I think there's a fine line there 32 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: of hey we need a center, Hey we need a corner, 33 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 4: But do you just take the one that you grated 34 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: the highest? But maybe he's more of a second or 35 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 4: third round player and you're picking the back end of 36 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: the first round. So I thought there was a very 37 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 4: tactical approach. It was very clear the Giants did their 38 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 4: homework not only on the talent of this draft, but 39 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 4: more importantly, how the board would go. 40 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: Right. They could have reached for a wide receiver in 41 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 3: round one instead of getting value later on. They could have. 42 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 4: Taken their round two pick in round one and I 43 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 4: would have thought it was a good pick. So I 44 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: think understanding the landscape of the draft, the valuing of players. 45 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 4: You deserve just as much credit for that as the 46 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 4: actual picks you make. 47 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you need luck too, right, because sometimes the 48 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: value just doesn't line up every year. And I've been 49 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: joking the Giants and any thank you card to the 50 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: Commanders because if they take Christian Gonzalez instead of Emmanuel Forbes, 51 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: the Patriots probably picked Deyonte Banks instead of Christian Gonzales, 52 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: is true, And then this whole formula is a lot different, 53 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: isn't it. 54 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 4: It really is. It's funny how, especially an Endivision team 55 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 4: could do you a little bit of a favor. My 56 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 4: full honesty is I've been saying I think the Giants 57 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 4: were even a little surprised, and that's why they made 58 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: that pick swap. They got to the point where they're like, 59 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 4: enough is enough. We can't believe Banks made it this far. 60 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 4: Let's do the little sweetener just to lock this in 61 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: and not have any risk about it, especially if a 62 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 4: team like Jacksonville might have been on the phone with 63 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 4: a couple of other teams because of how highly prioritized 64 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 4: the top corners were in this draft. So you always 65 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 4: need a little bit of luck. But hey, five years later, 66 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 4: when the draft class looks really good, nobody cares about 67 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 4: the luck. They care about the players actually panning out. 68 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the Lion's taking the linebacker and the 69 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: running back when they had a cornerback need that was, 70 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, so you want to go back, go back 71 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: to Devin Witherspoon going to Seattle, right, because that probably 72 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: took them off the bar for Detroit. And it's the 73 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: cascade of different scenarios that anything can get really happen. 74 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Banks. 75 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about him in terms of 76 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: the fortune of getting him there. You know, he just 77 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: seems to match the scheme too. So I needed a corner. 78 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: But it's not just a corner. It's a corner that 79 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: in college played the exact type. 80 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: Of way wing. 81 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: Martin Dale is gonna want him to play for the Giants. 82 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: So what is it that you liked about his tape 83 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: when you watched him in Maryland? 84 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: The length and athleticism to survive out there on an 85 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 4: island and know, hey, the ball might be coming my 86 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: way and I got to be ready to make a 87 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 4: play because there's a certain amount of trust put in 88 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 4: me out here that not a lot of secondary players 89 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 4: kind of get. So that's what Wink looks for, right. 90 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 4: I mean, you guys know as well as anybody, you're 91 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 4: gonna see a lot of pressure. Looks cover zero, cover one, 92 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 4: and that sounds fun, and it's fun for everybody in 93 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 4: the box. It's not fun for the guys that are 94 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: holding up one on one in coverage. That is a 95 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: very difficult assignment. I remember, really when I just started 96 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 4: writing about football, you know, watching Darrell Reeves in Rex 97 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: Ryan's defense for the Jets and the amount of pressure 98 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: that was put on him allowed the Jets to really 99 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 4: outnumber the opposition in the box. And I think that's 100 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 4: Wink Martindale's goal with his corners. And when you look 101 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: at Banks as a player, he has very very unique 102 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 4: traits in terms of the way he can move. He 103 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 4: could flip his hips and recover down the field vertically 104 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: where you never think he's out of a play. He 105 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 4: knows how to find the football. I was telling people 106 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 4: before the draft, the thing I liked the most about him, 107 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 4: more than all the fancy numbers and his RAS and 108 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 4: all the testing, is that there was a couple of 109 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 4: times where I saw him get beat and give up 110 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 4: a catch and then the rest of the game he 111 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 4: was locked in and ready to go. That's the NFL, 112 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: you're gonna there's adversity when you're a cornerback in the NFL. 113 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 4: I'd rather you deal with it in college and know 114 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 4: how to deal with it in the NFL when you 115 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: get there, rather than being in shock. So I think 116 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: Banks will have the right mindset to thrive in a 117 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: very tough situation as well. 118 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, the one thing I'll through out there with Banks 119 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: is just in fairness in terms of being balanced. Here 120 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: is maybe a little bit hands he down the field. 121 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes when you know a receiver can put either the 122 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: double move or do a little shake on him, he 123 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: does get his footwork a little wonky and then he 124 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: will reach out and grab and sometimes when he does 125 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: get beat at the catch point, he doesn't get his 126 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: head around. He ran into a couple of receivers with 127 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: his back turn to the ball a couple of times. 128 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: If there's one thing he'll need to clean up and 129 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: look that all young corners do that sort of stuff. 130 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: That's kind of the one thing that I saw on 131 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: tape where I'm like, all right, this is something Joam Henderson, 132 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: the giants defensive stat's gonna. 133 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 4: Have to work with them on without a doubt, and 134 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 4: you know what, you're looking at it and going to 135 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 4: Like you said, a lot of these corners are not 136 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: perfect players coming into the NFL draft. I remember a 137 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: lot of that criticism applied for Sauce Gardner as well, 138 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 4: where he was a very physical, grabby long kind of player. 139 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 4: And it's about learning what you can and can't get 140 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 4: away with week by week. And I think that's gonna 141 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 4: be That's not you know, sugarcoat it. There's going to 142 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 4: be a transition period for Deontay Banks, as there is 143 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 4: for all rookie corners. But when you look at the 144 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 4: long term fit and the profile of the player into 145 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 4: the defense, it felt Tailor made. 146 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 147 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to John Michael Schmidzier. What 148 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: is it that you really liked about him? I know 149 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: you probably had him higher than most other analysts out 150 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: there from I think you had him with top twenty 151 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: five on your board. 152 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe he was twenty fifth or twenty six. 153 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 4: I know he was in my top thirty. I saw 154 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 4: maybe the highest floor of any interior player in the 155 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 4: entire draft. If you count Scarrotsky as a tackle. Next up, though, 156 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: out of the offensive lineman in terms of flour of 157 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 4: was John Michael Schmiz. He's played a ton of snaps, 158 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 4: over two thousand snaps, a ton of starting experience. He's 159 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 4: a great reach blocker, He's got a good anchor. He's 160 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 4: got the right body type to be a bigger, tougher center. 161 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 4: And we know that's what Joe Shane wants to prioritize, 162 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 4: is getting a little beefy in the middle of that 163 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 4: offensive line, being able to drive defensive lineman off of 164 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 4: the ball immediately off of the snap. 165 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 3: Would you like him to be a better tester? Sure, 166 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: maybe that's. 167 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 4: What limits his ceiling as this guy that he's not 168 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: going to fly out of the gate and be this 169 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 4: elite polar or climber. But I think he knows how 170 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 4: to get to his spots where he makes up for 171 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: the mediocre testing times with the awareness he called out 172 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 4: protections from Minnesota. 173 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: He's a leader. He plays with a little bit of 174 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: a different edge. 175 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 4: I was down on the field there at the Senior 176 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 4: ball watching him, and it felt like every single rep 177 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 4: was an extra dogfight through the whistle, and I like 178 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: that in centers. I like that when they're getting after 179 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 4: it a little bit after the whistle as well. So 180 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 4: for John Michael Schmidz, I think he's an excellent run blocker. 181 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 4: I thought he was reliable in pass protection, just steady 182 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 4: eddy and passport. He never really have to worry about him. 183 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 4: He loves to look to help and I think ultimately 184 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: he will be the best center to come out of 185 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: this draft. And I thought ultimately one of the higher 186 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: floor players once again in this offensive line group. 187 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: And you mentioned his experience. 188 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: He's an older player, but I think that helps for 189 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: a guy like him, right I think the transition will 190 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: be easier for him because of all the football he's played, 191 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: and frankly, he's gonna have to be good right away. 192 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: Washington has some pretty good players on the defensive line 193 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis hello, and then you have 194 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: the Cowboys that run a bajillion stunts and movement up front, 195 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: so he's gonna have to deal with that. So he's 196 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: in to have thrown right into the deep end of 197 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: the pool. And I think being an older prospect in 198 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: his case, I think probably helps him more than it 199 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: hurts him. 200 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: On the offensive line because his body's developed and his mind. 201 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: Is developed exactly right. 202 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 4: I mean, you don't want to be going into a 203 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: situation where guy's still developing anchor strength or technique issues, 204 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 4: and a lot of offensive linemen in this draft had 205 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: both of those. To be honest with you, this was 206 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: not a clean offensive line draft that guys are going 207 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 4: to be thrown into the fire and have this great 208 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: success early on. John Michael Schmidz, Peter Skoronski. Those were 209 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 4: two guys I outlined and said, yeah, they'll be fine 210 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 4: right now out of the gate, whether it's the playing experience, 211 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 4: what they were asked to do. There was a lot 212 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: put on his plate at Minnesota. You brought up to 213 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: stunts in the twist. His awareness was phenomenal as well, 214 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 4: so that I mean, it's kind of it's weird to 215 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 4: me that in a draft that had so many question 216 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 4: marks that, in my opinion, one of the rare short things. 217 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: And I don't care that he's a center. I knew 218 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: that would cause him to fall a little bit. 219 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: But he makes it out of the top fifty. 220 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 4: I think that's going to be a head scratcher in 221 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 4: a couple of years for teams. 222 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the other one of the safe guys 223 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: with Steve Bavula out of TCU. He was a guy that, look, 224 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: he's going to be good. He could play two spots 225 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: up with it. Even those tackles at the top of 226 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: the draft like Jones and Paris Johnson, like they have 227 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: stuff on the tape. 228 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: Where you're like, dude, like they got work to do. 229 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: You know, this is not This is not Tristan Wurf's, 230 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: this is not Andrew Thomas. This is not kind of 231 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: the guys at the top of the class, you know 232 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: the last few years. All right, let's go to the 233 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: third round. Jalen Hyatt, Giants have to move up to 234 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: get him. It cost him a fourth round. Let's start 235 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: with the trade first. Was that worth the price of 236 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: admission that fourth round pick? 237 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: I think so. 238 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: I mean I had high it at fortieth overall in 239 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 4: this draft. So for the Giants, I mean, let's be 240 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 4: real here. The Giants walked out with player number twenty 241 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 4: six and John Michael Schmidt, Deontay Banks at thirty, and 242 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: then Jalen Hyatt at forty. They walked out of the 243 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 4: draft with three top forty players. I'll pay that price 244 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 4: to get that guy dude with Jalen Hyatt, I mean 245 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: Will Fuller esque, that upright slender running that you gotta 246 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 4: be a little carefully. You don't want somebody to line 247 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 4: me up with that upright running style in the NFL. 248 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 4: But not a lot of guys had that opportunity because 249 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: he ran by defenders in the SEC. If you're running 250 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 4: by defenders in the SEC, you're gonna run by everybody 251 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 4: at the NFL level. I don't really worry about that. 252 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 4: I thought his tracking was underrated. Hy got mislabeled as 253 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: this one trick, really vertical you know, threat, And I 254 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 4: don't sure, but that's a really valuable trick to have, 255 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 4: and is they're polish in the trick. You have tracking, 256 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 4: catching the ball, getting off the line of scrimmage. So 257 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 4: I thought for the Giants, it's one of those two 258 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 4: fold things, right, it's a situation that Hyatt's a big 259 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 4: play threat. I thought they need a vertical speed on 260 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 4: the outside. All that's great. I'm not saying Hyatt comes 261 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 4: in and has a thousand yards and ten touchdowns out 262 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: of the gate, and I don't know if the Giants 263 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 4: wont be that kind of offense with him right away. 264 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: But can he take a. 265 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 4: Couple of defenders out of the box and help out 266 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley because of the kind of speed he has 267 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 4: and stress the back end of the defense. 268 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he does that from day one. 269 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: No Connor, you hit it out of the park. And 270 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: this is what I've been saying the Giant fans. Look, 271 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some development here, right. He comes from 272 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: an offense where he wasn't asked to do a lot 273 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: of things, and that's not the player's fault, that's just 274 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: what he was asked to do. So he has to 275 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: develop his route, running his route tree. He barely saw 276 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: press at all on college. He's gonna have to develop 277 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: the ability to beat the press. That's fine, you can 278 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: work on that. He can get better at that over 279 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: a couple of years. But even if he is just 280 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: a vertical deep threat, you know, posts, slants, comebacks, flies, flags, 281 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: those type of routes in your first year, what that'll 282 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: do for Darren Waller in the middle of the field, 283 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: having to keep that safety over the top. 284 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: It just gives Brian Dabo and Mike Kafka. 285 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: And you don't think Kafrica knows how to play speed 286 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: receivers from his time in Kansas City. 287 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 2: Of course he does. 288 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: And that's gonna create mismatches in the middle of the 289 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: field and one on ones for other players because you 290 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: cannot leave him one on one on island with the 291 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: corner because he can just run by you. 292 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 4: That's exactly right, and that's absolutely you know something that 293 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: you can't teach you. Guys either got the play speed 294 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 4: or he doesn't. And a lot of guys with the 295 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 4: play speed don't have the nuance of the position to 296 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 4: actually go find the football down the field. Yeah, I mean, 297 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 4: Hyatt's tape speaks for itself. So at third round value, 298 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 4: there's a lot. The thing with high it is everybody 299 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 4: worried about the risk because of his weight, and you 300 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 4: brought up the offensive system and there's risk there. After 301 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 4: round two, risk doesn't matter anymore when you look at 302 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 4: the hit. 303 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: Rate of picks. 304 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 4: I'm gonna take the risk on the upside guys, and 305 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 4: that was a swing that was worth it to. 306 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: Me, No, One hundred percent, And I think the Giants 307 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: are thrilled to have him. Just add another piece of 308 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: that wide receiver corre where you're probably still looking at 309 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: I think for your two one, I don't think Hyatt's that, 310 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: So you have some work still to do. But that 311 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: is a role that in any offense in the NFL 312 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: is essential. And if Loondo Robinson's health that you got 313 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: your speed guy, you got your twitchy slot guy, and 314 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: then you still got to find kind of your three 315 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: level receiver, which at some point you figure it out 316 00:11:58,840 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: down the road. 317 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you want balance, you want and this is 318 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: a wide receiver group that didn't have that balance last 319 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 4: year because they didn't have time to build it that way. 320 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 4: And now they've gotten the big threat right like you 321 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 4: brought up in Waller over the middle of the field. 322 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: You got outside speed and Hiatt, you got gadget guys 323 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 4: like Wandell Robinson. You have your possession targets underneath as well, 324 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 4: and you know they're gonna be able to run the football, 325 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 4: especially with the addition to JMS in the pold as well, 326 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: so and Daniel Jones rushing ability on top of all 327 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 4: that's and now you're seeing more balance that they've got 328 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 4: a little bit more time to build it out. 329 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: And then in the fifth round. I love Chase Brown. 330 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: I want him to be there. He didn't quite get 331 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: to the Giants. But Eric Gray is a heck of 332 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: a consolation prize and for fans that haven't watched him, boy, 333 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: you want a guy that can go in there on 334 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: third downs and either you know, run draws, you know, 335 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: go in the slot, run those option routes out of 336 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: the backfield, those angle routes. He is a really polished 337 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: third down back that can make people miss and do 338 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: a lot of different things that can help your offense. 339 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 4: He had a great breakout season and he's been a 340 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 4: pretty productive running back throughout his higher college career where 341 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 4: he's gotten to play of four years. And but you 342 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: brought up the pass catching. That's the key, that's what 343 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 4: gets them on the fields right away. He was a 344 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 4: reliable pass catching threat for Oklahoma. That one cut ability. 345 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 4: He made defenders look foolish at times. His ability to 346 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 4: set up in the open field, hanging there in pass protection. 347 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 4: This is really a coach's dream for a rookie running back. 348 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 4: If you're not looking for a star, you're looking for 349 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 4: somebody that can just contribute and get your starter some 350 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 4: breathers off the field to get off the field. Eric 351 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 4: Gray was really good value. I think I valued him 352 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 4: kind of differently than the NFL. I'm looking at the 353 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 4: running back rankings right now for him, and he was 354 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 4: somebody that I had as the eighth best running back 355 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 4: in this draft. He was a senior Bowl guy. Once again, 356 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: he found that breakout season this year. He really routed 357 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 4: out his game. He's well balanced, he can make you miss, 358 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 4: but just being having the ability to consistently catch the 359 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 4: football and not be a zero in pass protection, which 360 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: a lot of rookie running backs are. It's not something 361 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 4: that they're coached up enough to do at the college level. 362 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 4: That's not gray. He was asked to do that a lot, 363 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 4: coached up to do it a lot. This is the 364 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 4: perfect kind of hey, next man up. If Barkley gets 365 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 4: stinged up or honestly without that, I think he'll still 366 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 4: get on the field here and there right away. 367 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I think his contact, you know, 368 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: he's got that five to nine body, He's got such 369 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: a low center of gravity, and I think I'm gonna 370 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: call him explosive, even though he doesn't test as an 371 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: explosive guy. His ability to change the direction in the 372 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: open field. He turns defensive backs around in a circle 373 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: a number of times, when you go back and you 374 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: watch his tape and it's just that load of the 375 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: ground direction changing ability where he does get caught from 376 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: behind on tape, absolutely, but he creates space with that 377 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: quickness and his ability to frankly break tackles again with 378 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: that low center of gravity. 379 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: He doesn't hesitate. That's the key thing. 380 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: A lot of running backs are thinking, how do I 381 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 4: get forty yards in a touchdown? Eric Gray had always 382 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 4: felt like, how do I turn two yards into nine? 383 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 4: And I'd rather have that, honestly for a running back 384 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: at that stage of his career, because it's not to 385 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 4: take away from him. He still has chunk plays, but 386 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: he knows how to make a defender miss and not 387 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 4: think of the next layer of the defense. He knows 388 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 4: how to get the yards and get up that are there. 389 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 4: And that's what you're looking for for a guy, whether 390 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 4: it's inside outside running, but most importantly those little swing 391 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 4: passes and outlets that are a quarterback's best friend. 392 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: All right, kind of let's get into the Giants other day. 393 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: Three picks here, because I did not watch a lot 394 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: of these guys. I've gone back, I've watched what I can, 395 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: but I'd love to get your take on them. Let's 396 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: throw a Trey Hawkins the cornerback out of old dominion 397 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: your thoughts. 398 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 4: A long corner, classic project corner. This is what Wink 399 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 4: Martindale looks for. Right, You're looking for a defensive back 400 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 4: that's got the arm length, that has the size, a 401 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 4: little bit more of a slender guy. And once again 402 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: you're kind of it's that watered down version of Banks, right, 403 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 4: He's not the athlete of Banks, and you talk about 404 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 4: how Banks needs to find the football a little bit more. 405 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 4: I think that was the trick with Hawkins, where you 406 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: like that size, you like the ability to disrupt at 407 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage, but you understand that this is 408 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 4: the back end of a roster, kind of stash project, 409 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 4: and go, hey, if we have a couple of injuries 410 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 4: in year two, can you step in and survive for 411 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: us on the outside. So I thought that was the 412 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 4: trick with Hawkins, is get a developmental player that fits 413 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 4: our scheme, that projects to be on the end outside, 414 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: and you look at the Giants roster two years from now, 415 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 4: they might have some competitions there at corner. He doesn't 416 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 4: have to play this year, But when you're at this 417 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 4: late at the draft. This is ultimately kind of how 418 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 4: you function. You look for somebody that you get him 419 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 4: into camp, you see what they have and can they 420 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 4: be a legitimate backup, fringe starter for you by year 421 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 4: two or three. 422 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. You look for traits that can translate and you 423 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: can develop. 424 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: And I think when they sow Jordan Riley out of Oregon, 425 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: they say, oh my goodness, guys of this size don't 426 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: last of the seventh round. Let's see if you can 427 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: just turn him into a run stop on the defensive line. 428 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 4: Exactly, a rotational run stopping piece that's had that long 429 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: college career. He obviously played at Nebraska, transfers to Oregon. 430 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 4: Oregon's very well coached on their defensive front. When you 431 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 4: look at Riley, just that size, the fact that he's 432 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 4: probably gonna play at three point thirty, you just rotate 433 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 4: him in there and could be a goal line situation, 434 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: could be early down situation, one of those players once 435 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 4: again that not an every down roll kind of player. 436 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 4: But how do we get more stout up print and 437 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 4: those The Giants low Key had been looking for. 438 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: Some defensive line depth in this. 439 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 4: I think the board fell a little differently for them 440 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 4: that they wisely capitalized on other areas, because I thought 441 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 4: this draft didn't have a lot of defensive line dep 442 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 4: through the. 443 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: First three rounds. 444 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 4: See you take a swing at Riley that's played for 445 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 4: a really good defense under a good coach in the 446 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 4: pack at Oregon after transferring from Morgan, and you say, hey, 447 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: let's give you a really really limited role, but help 448 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 4: us two gap at times and stop the run one 449 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 4: hundred percent. 450 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: Now we'll get the Javarius Owens, someone I know some 451 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: people thought the Giants got pretty good value, and I 452 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: think Dan Brugler had him as a fifth or sixth 453 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: round grade on his board. Yeah, safety had a fustons, 454 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: played a lot of football, and he's gonna come in 455 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: at the very least and help on special teams right away. 456 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 457 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: I had Owens, I think in the sixth round. I'm 458 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 4: looking at him on the big board right now. He 459 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 4: was somebody I got to watch the last month of 460 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 4: the cycle. I had him at two twenty. I had 461 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 4: a sixth round grade on him. I was a little 462 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 4: perplexed he was there at two fifty four. And things 463 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 4: get a little convoluted on that late of the draft. 464 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: Some guys do fall. But you just look at the 465 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 4: kind of skill set he has, the kind of length 466 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: that he has. He is this classic moving piece on 467 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 4: the back of the defense where he's got a little 468 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 4: bit of length, plenty of athleticism. I feel like, honestly, 469 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 4: they probably really liked him for special teams long term 470 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 4: third safety because you can kind of make him interchangeable 471 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: at free or strong as a big nickel. But when 472 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: you have that kind of size and straight lineability, you 473 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: kind of like those guys on the kickoff and punk 474 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 4: coverage units. So Owens I had him ranked higher than 475 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 4: the other two picks. I think there's a world where 476 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 4: he becomes a long term third safety in the league 477 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 4: and at minimum just kind of fits the special teams 478 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: profile teams throw those darts on on Day three. 479 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a look at some other things 480 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: in the draft, real quick, Connor, before we say goodbye 481 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: other NFC East teams. The other three, how do you 482 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: think they did giant fans obviously trying to catch Dallas 483 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: and Philadelphia year and fend off Washington, who was just 484 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: a game behind them in the division last year. 485 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Eagles had the best draft in 486 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: this division. That's not really a hot take. 487 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 4: I thought the Giants were just a little bit behind them, 488 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 4: But the Cowboys and the Commanders made some questionable decisions 489 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 4: for me. Giants fans have heard about the Eagles and 490 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 4: what they've done a million different times. At all the 491 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 4: different Georgia guys with the Commanders, I thought Forbes was 492 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: a reach. I had a lot of corners taken after 493 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 4: him ahead of him. I thought he was a second 494 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: round player. I liked Christian Gonzalez better than him. I 495 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 4: like Deontay Banks better than him. I liked Cam Smith 496 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 4: better than him. So that one was a little bit 497 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 4: weird to me that you needed to take that guy 498 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 4: in the top twenty. Maybe they couldn't get out of 499 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 4: the pick, or maybe they just really liked the player. 500 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 4: They got a good safety slot in Kwon Martin on 501 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 4: day two. I think that'll really help them. When you 502 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 4: look at the Cowboys, it's not that Maszi Smith in 503 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 4: the first round is a bad player. He's going to 504 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 4: free up space for Michaeh Parsons and the likes of 505 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 4: those guys to roam around and make plays. But do 506 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: you need to take that player in the top thirty 507 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 4: And some people valued him differently. 508 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 3: They looked at the athleticism. 509 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 4: I didn't see him play to that athleticism as a 510 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 4: pass rusher totally. If you're a great if you're a 511 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 4: great athlete as a bigger guy, Okay, what does that mean? 512 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 4: Does that mean you're too quick for guards and centers 513 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: or you just do unique things sideline the sideline. I 514 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 4: didn't see that consistency with him. So yeah, it's nice 515 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 4: you got a two gapping presence, but I don't value 516 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 4: that as a first round pick. And then the Luke 517 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 4: shutm pick. He's one of those players that you go bad. 518 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 4: I'd like lou elk schuen Maker in the fourth round. 519 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: They move blocker and older prospect. Maybe some upside as 520 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 4: a pass catch or not after the catch, but just 521 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 4: as a possession guy, you take them that early. Did 522 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 4: you need tight end that early? 523 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. 524 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 4: The Cowboys for me, didn't get difference makers in this 525 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 4: draft and a division that everybody else was trying to 526 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 4: get to difference makers because it's this dogfight, it's this race. 527 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 3: Everyone's trying to. 528 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 4: Catch Philly there in the Super Bowl last year, the 529 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: Commanders at least they took the swings. The Giants got 530 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 4: the value, they got the picks that have high floors 531 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: but also value in their spots, and a stealing guy 532 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: in Jalen Hyatt. The Cowboys, man, I just they usually 533 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 4: draft pretty well with Will McLay there, I felt like 534 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 4: they were a little all over the place in this draft, 535 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: whether it was age, lack of value, or guys that 536 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 4: just won't make an overwhelming difference in a season that 537 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 4: that division's going to be really tight. 538 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of felt like it was a knee 539 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: draft for them where they focused a little bit too 540 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: much on that and they maybe they could have moved 541 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: around a little bit and done something. Just pick Michael 542 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: Mayer in the first round, and I think everything kind 543 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: of would have looked better from there. 544 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 4: I mean, in a thinner draft, you need to be 545 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 4: very careful chasing need. And I think the Giants realized 546 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 4: that because the people like me were like, man, this 547 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 4: draft's so thin. You could take a center at twenty 548 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 4: five and it's fine because he got a good player, 549 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 4: and it's you know, things fell their way with Banks 550 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 4: and the center with the Cowboys. That felt like a 551 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 4: lot of the conversation around the Giants where it was like, 552 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 4: they really need some beef on the tier defensive line. 553 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 4: It doesn't really exist in the first round. We knew 554 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 4: Jalen Carter would be gone. Klaija Kanzi's not beef. He's 555 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 4: all pass rush, and they just did it anyway. So 556 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 4: it'll be fascinating to see how that plays out and 557 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 4: if it ultimately hurts them down the road. 558 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: Talking to people around the league, Connor and I was 559 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: shocked by this watching the draft. Why did Luke Whippler 560 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: and At Perry fall as far as they did in 561 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: the draft. It just I don't get it. Watching them 562 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: as much as I did on tape this offseason. 563 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 4: I'm kind of floored. I had Perry at one thirty one. 564 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: They got him at one ninety five, and I thought 565 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 4: I was low man on Perry. Apparently the NFL was 566 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 4: much lower than me. I think a big body target 567 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: like that, that it doesn't have great play speed but 568 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 4: can kind of overcome that and contested catch situations, is 569 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 4: worth a fourth round pick. The NFL did not agree. 570 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 4: Whippler is so far off the board. I can't even 571 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: understand that I had him at sixty one he went 572 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 4: at one ninety. That to me, you'd never want to assume, 573 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 4: but when you don't know the answer, and it's that difference, 574 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 4: it's usually medical. 575 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: Medical off the field. 576 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 3: Medical are off the field, the two things they always 577 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: tell you. 578 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 4: If it was medical, I still would have taken them 579 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 4: in the top one fifty. 580 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 3: At that point it's worth the risk. So good for 581 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: the Browns. 582 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 4: The Browns had no first or second round pick, and 583 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 4: they cleaned up. 584 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 3: They did pretty well. 585 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: What else kind of stood out from your surprises, good, bad, 586 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: or elsewhere from the draft kind of tracking it over 587 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: the weekend. 588 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: The bad is the reach on specialists. 589 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 4: I cannot wrap my head around taking a kicker in 590 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 4: the third round. 591 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: If you're the Niners. 592 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 4: If I sat there all week to make a pick 593 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 4: as a GM and they took Gyre Brown at eighty seven, 594 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: and then you take Jake Moody in the top one hundred, 595 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 4: just go pay a kicker three million dollars a year 596 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 4: on the free agent market and use the pick on 597 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 4: depth on the offensive or defensive line. 598 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 3: I hate all of that. 599 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 4: The Patriots traded up for a kicker in the fourth 600 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 4: round after having a good draft. Christian goan Zalez and 601 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 4: Keo on White were great ads. 602 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 3: But that's what they do. They always take specialists early. 603 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 4: I thought the Steelers just knocked it out of the 604 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 4: park and they needed to Darnell Washington. I mean, you 605 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 4: get him at freaking ninety three. I had him in 606 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 4: the top twenty. Him and Pat Pryer Ruth in a 607 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 4: two tight end set and a division that everybody comes 608 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 4: out of the corner of the ring and throws their 609 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 4: biggest haymaker. 610 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: I like that a lot. Talk about helping. 611 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett, Kianu Benton, You want to talk about beef 612 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 4: on the interior. I thought Keanu Benton was a better 613 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: player than Mazzi Smith and he went in the second round, 614 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 4: so I can't really wrap my head around that. Seahawks 615 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 4: my favorite draft A plus they got two interior line 616 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 4: players that I valued as starters and Oluolu with Timmy 617 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 4: at the center. Anthony Bradford, the guard from LSU Witherspoon, 618 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: I think he's a future top eight corner in the league. 619 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 4: Jackson Smith and jig was your number three. You're living 620 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 4: pretty good when Jackson Smith and Jigba is your number 621 00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 4: three wide receiver. 622 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 623 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: I love the Colts draft Connor and it's another day. 624 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with Anthony Richardson. You could 625 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: remove him from the draft and I wouldn't care. Julius Brentz, 626 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: all right, I think that's good value there. I had 627 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: Josh Downs as an early second round pick, and he 628 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: fits perfectly with Pittman and Pierce right. He'll be a 629 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: great checkdown ptographer Richardson out of the slot. You know, 630 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: Blake Freeland has to add strength, but he has I 631 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: get it tools. 632 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: He tackle. You rolled the dice if you can develop him. 633 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: But then I had to borrow in round four where 634 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: the only reason he's a round four pick is because 635 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: he played out a position in Northwestern. If he was 636 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: a three technique there, he would have been a second 637 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: round pick in this year's draft. And then Darius Rush. 638 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: I had him as a late second early third round pick. 639 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: You watched him at the Senior Bowl. He's running routes 640 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: for wide receivers and he tested at you know great 641 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: Evan holds a two way running back. I thought Ballard 642 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: did a phenomenal job. 643 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 4: Here's the craziest part, John, They got Emil eki Or 644 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 4: in the UDFA process, who should have been taken in 645 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 4: the third or fourth round of the draft from Alabama 646 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 4: undersized offensive lineman that is just a phenomenal player. 647 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 3: I don't they couldn't have done more. They could not 648 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 3: have done more. 649 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 4: I think there's an argument to be made that two 650 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: of those three corners they taken are going to be 651 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 4: long time starters, Brent Rush and then Jalen Jones, who 652 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 4: was a former five star recruit at A and M. 653 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 4: He was an okay player. He didn't have a bad 654 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 4: career there. He probably should have just stayed in school 655 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 4: and had that breakout season. 656 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it's insane to. 657 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 4: Be able to turn over your roster with They got 658 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 4: twelve players and it feels like at least six of 659 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 4: them will hit, which is just absurd. Even if that's 660 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 4: starter level, not great, but starter level, that's really really 661 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 4: impressive drafting, all right. 662 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: Last one on the draft, we talked about the quarterbacks, 663 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: and I was happy not that Will Levis had the 664 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: weight around the first day and no one wants to 665 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: see that. I felt bad for him. He didn't deserve that. 666 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: But I think both him and Hendon Hooker wound up 667 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: in good situations where they don't have to play right away. 668 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: You can be patient with them. They can learn behind veterans, 669 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: and I'm just happy that they're not going to be 670 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: put into a spot where you're gonna ask too much 671 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: of them too early, and I think it gives them 672 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: a pretty good chance to succeed. 673 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: I'm with you, it's funny to go through the whole process. 674 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 4: I've released my final top three hundred, and it'd been 675 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 4: this way with the quarterbacks for a while. I had 676 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 4: Will Levis thirty eighth overall, in Hendon Hooker forty second overall. 677 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 4: And when you drop that, you know a lot of 678 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 4: people that are more in the national spotlight. Me and 679 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 4: you are definitely more in the draft. Weeds look at 680 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 4: that and they go, how could this be? These guys 681 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 4: are going in the first round, And you go, just 682 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 4: because they're projected to doesn't mean that that's the right call. 683 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 4: They have a developmental trajectory that is much longer than 684 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 4: a lot of other guys. With Levis, it was really 685 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 4: more timing and decision making and play speed. With Hendon Hooker, 686 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 4: it was passing under pressure and getting healthy and being 687 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 4: an older prospect. And they went your one hundred percent 688 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 4: right in situations that align with their future success or 689 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: give them the best chance to succeed. They're not saviors 690 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 4: for their franchise, and honestly, if they were expected to be, 691 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 4: I don't think that would work out for them. 692 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 3: So we go full circle. 693 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 4: We do this process for almost a year, and you 694 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 4: really come forward circle and it all corrects itself at 695 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 4: the end. 696 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: And then Richardson landed with the coach that turned Jalen 697 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 1: Hurts from a running quarterback into a great passer. So 698 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I think he wound up in a good 699 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: spot too, even though maybe he'll have to play a 700 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: little bit too early. I mean, could you pick a 701 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: better coach to coach him up than Change Tike And. 702 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 703 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: I don't think so either. 704 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 4: You look at the principles they were able to apply 705 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 4: with Jalen Hurts and then you throw Anthony Richardson into 706 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 4: that and you're like, oh, that kind of scares me 707 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 4: a little bit if I'm a team in that division, 708 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 4: because they're gonna know what to do with him early. 709 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 4: On had to maximize his running, allow him to take 710 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 4: shots down the field. I don't think they're afraid to 711 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 4: play Gardner Minshew if they think Richardson needs a little 712 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 4: bit more time it's you know, you look at Stroud 713 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 4: and Bryce like they're in it, whether they're ready or not. 714 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: They no, they're going. 715 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 4: They're going With Richardson, I actually think if they need 716 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 4: to keep the training wheels on, they will. I know 717 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 4: people will be clamoring to see him play because he's 718 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 4: must watch TV. But I really like that landing spot 719 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 4: for a roster that seems to be getting right. 720 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: All right, Connor, Finally, before we say goodbye, the big 721 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: picture Giants here, what direction to see the moven? How 722 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: far along the bell curve are they? Can they compete 723 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: for the division? Are they just going for a wild card? 724 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: Just kind of your thoughts on where the Giants are 725 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: and now offseason number two under Joe Shane and Brian Dable. 726 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 3: I think they're getting back to the playoffs. 727 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 4: And that's a big win when you look at just 728 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 4: how much obstacles they had coming into the offseason. You 729 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 4: had to figure out a contract with Daniel Jones. That 730 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 4: makes sense for both sides. You need to say Kwon 731 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 4: Barkley back in the fold and you need to improve 732 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 4: the roster, and they were able to do that through 733 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 4: the draft. Well, here, you might be the biggest thing 734 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 4: they're coaching staffs. Intact, a lot of people thought those 735 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 4: guys would get posched. So for the Giants, it feels 736 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 4: like to me, we know. 737 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 3: They're ahead of the Commanders. I'm leaning that they might. 738 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 4: They might be ahead of the ahead of the Cowboys 739 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 4: right now, which the Cowboys are probably very disappointed if 740 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 4: you heard that. 741 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: It's hard to pick against. 742 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: The Eagles they were in the Super Bowl. The roster 743 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 4: has gotten better. Hurts has taken a really really big step. 744 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 4: The one thing I look at though, Hurts his play style. 745 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 4: They will need to be careful. You don't want him 746 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 4: hurting his shoulder again or missing any time. And now 747 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 4: you don't have Gardner Minshew there anymore as your backup 748 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 4: to kind of get you by in those stretches. So 749 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 4: I think the Giants are in for that wild card positioning. 750 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 4: And here's the thing you're two of. Brian Dable Jones 751 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 4: will be even more comfortable. I think the roster will 752 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 4: be more comfortable. The offensive line has been a pretty 753 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 4: young unit that should be ascending and trending in the 754 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 4: right direction. So the Giants, I like what Joe Shane's 755 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: been able to build and his understanding of when I 756 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 4: need to put my foot on the gas pedal and 757 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 4: when I can kind of slow play things all. 758 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: Right, Connor, tell the folks where they can find you. 759 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: Sure at Connor J. Rodgers on Twitter. 760 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 4: You can find everything there, all the draft coverage for 761 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 4: NBC Sports and Profoobale focus on the NFL Stock Exchange Pod. 762 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: John thank you so much. 763 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 4: Man's always good to talk draft with you. I know 764 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 4: you're you are in the weeds like us. 765 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: It's great. 766 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: I try to I fortunately I can't do much of 767 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: a door in the door in the season, but once 768 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: we hit January, that's. 769 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 3: More impressive that you catch up that fast. 770 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: I truyt. I do my best. Connor, great stuff, man. 771 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to Doude. Great seeing you and we'll 772 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: talk to you next year. 773 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 3: Man, Thanks dude, Connor Rodgers. 774 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: Johnson the podcast, thanks for being with us. It's all 775 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: brought to you by PSU and J. Until next time.