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Speaker 1: a beautiful Monday morning. I'm John Middlecoff. There's the Three

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Speaker 1: You guys know the drill by now. Okay, I want

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Speaker 1: to start with a pretty very entertaining game in the

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Speaker 1: morning because I don't think any of us saw us coming,

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Speaker 1: saw it coming. And I gotta be honest, I gotta

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Speaker 1: in the first round, especially in the top ten, I

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Speaker 1: when I looked at the Bengals and they passed on

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Speaker 1: Seoul and their offensive line was a major question mark.

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Speaker 1: And Joe Burrow, a first year quarterback who I think,

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Speaker 1: like most of us, I loved, really good player, and

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Speaker 1: then in the preseason, which let's face it has never

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Speaker 1: met less, the guy was dropping all these balls and

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Speaker 1: better rookie seasons from a wide receiver we've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Now we saw last year justin Jefferson Shadow records. It's

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Speaker 1: sure as hell feels like Jamaar Chase is on that pace.

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Speaker 1: And he had eight catches for two hundred yards and

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Speaker 1: To me, part of the crazy part about this team

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Speaker 1: he's revitalized the franchise much like Carson Palmer, did you

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Speaker 1: And every time you looked up, Joe Burrow threw for

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Speaker 1: We talk about it all the time. It's a quarterback league,

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Speaker 1: it raises your floor. And that's what we're seeing at

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Speaker 1: don't know what they do this offseason because they're not

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, I mean, I'm thirty seven years old. I've

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