Speaker 1: Yellowstone is just a massive super volcano that if it explodes,
Speaker 1: will literally wipe out like our entire country. And on
Speaker 1: average it explodes every like six thousand years, and we
Speaker 1: are past the window of that happening, and it could
Speaker 1: just happen at any time, and that that makes me.
Speaker 2: Terrified, you know, sweet release, that's the thing. If it
Speaker 2: was gonna like just wipe us out, I'll be chilling.
Speaker 1: But I think it's what it's gonna do is like
Speaker 1: blow up and just spread like the type of ash
Speaker 1: that like kills you very slowly.
Speaker 3: Oh right, Because I've heard people talk about like even
Speaker 3: like when Mount Saint Helen's blood how it was crazy.
Speaker 3: But if it's like a super volcano, because that's what
Speaker 3: that's what you die, You suffocate from the ash in
Speaker 3: the air.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, Yeah, Manzilenski knows when it's gonna blow. It's like
Speaker 2: you'll see yeah, you'll see you. But you don't tell
Speaker 2: them when we want to be don't go.
Speaker 4: As a racist stuff.
Speaker 2: I can't tell me.
Speaker 5: At night, I dream of you. I want to be
Speaker 5: your lady.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 5: Welcome my Mama's and gentiles alike to another phenomenal episode
Speaker 5: of My Mama told me.
Speaker 1: The podcast where we dopted deep into the pockets of
Speaker 1: black conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Theory and finally work to prove the conspiracies. We gotta
Speaker 3: figure that last it out. Yeah, I guess is it because.
Speaker 2: Not of them? This is Rob's.
Speaker 1: I think it's of everybody and Rob, We're so happy
Speaker 1: you're here.
Speaker 2: We've already broken the That was.
Speaker 5: A terrible introduce.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really an introduction. Yea, we didn't even finish
Speaker 2: on man. I uh, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we are here to prove all of the
Speaker 1: possibilities of the world. I think that is that is
Speaker 1: objectively what's true. Is it the best way to say it?
Speaker 1: I don't know yet, but I do think that that's.
Speaker 2: What we're here hoping to prove.
Speaker 5: I like that. Yeah, I'm into that, you know what
Speaker 5: I've been Yeah, I'm just you know what I've been thinking. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you always set it up so uh poorly. I want
Speaker 5: them to know what we're doing. I want them to
Speaker 5: see how the little game.
Speaker 3: I want them to see how much work goes into
Speaker 3: making that delicious treat they like to eat once a
Speaker 3: week on Tuesdays and Thursday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, twice a week, twice a week. Once away twice
Speaker 5: a week, week week.
Speaker 2: Whenever you listen to him.
Speaker 3: You know what I've been thinking, I think doctor Umar
Speaker 3: is doing a press run because he's finally getting ready
Speaker 3: to open that school.
Speaker 5: WHOA what I think?
Speaker 2: Did you see him speak and like, uh, he was
Speaker 2: at a school University of Michigan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alma mother.
Speaker 5: I wish, I wish I would have I would have
Speaker 5: bought a plane ticket.
Speaker 2: And he was like what was he like Black Queen's
Speaker 2: Forever and the whole crowd was like snowbody. He like
Speaker 2: found his audience. Have you It was crazy.
Speaker 1: It was so crazy because I did not know niggas
Speaker 1: were like that tapped into him like in catchphrase form
Speaker 1: at eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was like our joke, like younger
Speaker 2: kids are like joking about this. Now. That's my question
Speaker 2: is do you think they were joking? I think I
Speaker 2: think there's winks between them. Yes, I think some people
Speaker 2: there probably will finding truth like we're we're laughing but
Speaker 2: a good point. Yeah, there's other people that are like
Speaker 2: that was hilarious. Yeah, I have a test to study
Speaker 2: for it. You know, that would be a great college experience.
Speaker 2: I feel like doctor Umar spoke.
Speaker 1: I remember, Uh, so many people that they had come
Speaker 1: perform at our at our school. Yeah, I would have
Speaker 1: replaced any one of them with doctor Umar.
Speaker 2: You have any good ones they have?
Speaker 1: I had amazing onesell money back during like the Robot
Speaker 1: that was big.
Speaker 5: That's a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we Sean before Big Sean became Big Sean, so
Speaker 1: on some real like hungry selling it. But we also
Speaker 1: knew he had already been tapped by Kanye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just wasn't.
Speaker 5: That's that's it's an exciting right.
Speaker 2: It was when Big Sean was doing individual merch for
Speaker 2: every school he went to. Yeah, I remember his website
Speaker 2: and uh, he had a thing. He was like, I
Speaker 2: am finally famous, and you write in and then maybe
Speaker 2: he'd put you up on the blog. And I'm like
Speaker 2: one year in the comedy and I.
Speaker 6: Wrote het like opening for Ronnie Jordan's and how like
Speaker 6: I am finally so embarrassing.
Speaker 2: That permanent. He No, he didn't pick me up. I
Speaker 2: went to the University of Georgia. We had conflict Free
Speaker 2: Christepe Michelle. Really, we had Tree Songs. We had t Paine, Damn,
Speaker 2: we had Godfree. He didn't tell us James Avery was gay.
Speaker 2: He just kept that in the talking O seven. You know,
Speaker 2: he really got in trouble. You were really mad at guy.
Speaker 2: You furious at Godfrey for that.
Speaker 1: I thought that I had always treated that as relatively common.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a cat that was out of
Speaker 2: the bag and like just a rumor that people have
Speaker 2: been saying. And yeah, I don't know what point of
Speaker 2: an interview gets to that, Like, I've been in here
Speaker 2: several times and I've never gotten to the point where
Speaker 2: it's like, but tell us about uncle Phil. Yeah, to
Speaker 2: the point of like you know who's gay?
Speaker 5: Supermon when you're like the boy where they're like, all right, man.
Speaker 2: Come on, you gotta come clean. I won't see it too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're the one to come clean, Godfrey. We didn't
Speaker 5: ask you.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't imagine. The story was weird.
Speaker 2: That was the other thing. The story wasn't like I
Speaker 2: walked in on James Avery having sex. It wasn't like, hey,
Speaker 2: I was doing voice work for teenage Turtles. I was like,
Speaker 2: whoa shredder?
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like that. It was just like I went
Speaker 2: to the Gospel of Awards and he was using his
Speaker 2: hands a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that's it, man. I think he
Speaker 5: might just be kind. I'm like the theater. I think
Speaker 5: he's like a talented actor.
Speaker 2: He just sees someone he hadn't seen it a long.
Speaker 5: Time, watching Godfrey use his hands a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh, the rumormeil has started, Folks, we don't run from
Speaker 1: it here, that's what it's poor our guest today. You've
Speaker 1: already heard him tell phenomenal stories about Godfrey and the like.
Speaker 1: He's a hilarious comedian, a dear friend. We love him
Speaker 1: so much on this podcast. You've seen him on The
Speaker 1: Tonight Show, You've seen him on Comedy Central. He currently
Speaker 1: is writing for a brand new show called Little keV
Speaker 1: that you can watch everywhere.
Speaker 2: Now is everywhere? I missed that? They're all out all
Speaker 2: the episode that the episodes. Yeah, you can watch Little
Speaker 2: keV on BT plus. He's the best.
Speaker 1: Give it up for Rob Hayes, ladies. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't shout him out. Nothing cool Runnings that darn cat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cosby Cosby, he was on the Like when it
Speaker 3: was just the show without show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just here was the number two on that.
Speaker 2: I believe I ain't even above Felicia Side in the
Speaker 2: same it's Bill Cosey, Felicie and and Dougie Dog.
Speaker 3: But they're not the Huxtables. It's like they're not Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're just people. Are they still in Brooklyn?
Speaker 2: I don't know where they are. I know Buster Rhymes
Speaker 2: is in it. I want to say they were in Philly.
Speaker 2: They might have been in Phild. It was on CBS
Speaker 2: a time where I didn't go over there, no.
Speaker 5: Man, because all there was was like Becker like Jack yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 5: did not have anything.
Speaker 2: I remember maybe Walker, Texas Ranger, Nash Bridges.
Speaker 5: Maybe I watched that ship on Packs Okay remember Packs?
Speaker 3: Okay, if you didn't have a cable, it was like
Speaker 3: it was like a pseudo Christian channel, like it was
Speaker 3: next in Atlanta they played Hawks games.
Speaker 2: That's how bad the Hawks were. They were.
Speaker 5: Watching and watching Touch by an Angel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Packs was trash damn. I like when Pack's first
Speaker 2: drift they had like night Rider and like yeah, cool stuff.
Speaker 3: And the transferred to being inspirational like a little later,
Speaker 3: early past the.
Speaker 2: Way to Heaven. They was like, yo, man, we found I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what our I guess we we. I never
Speaker 1: had to go through the Christian channel enough.
Speaker 2: Y'all didn't need pey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right, Yeah, yeah, because you UPN was
Speaker 1: a regular ass channel, and in that way you avoid
Speaker 1: a lot of like the heartbreak that would have come
Speaker 1: from right.
Speaker 5: We had up N too. UPN was the go to.
Speaker 5: I feel like the years and then the WB secondary
Speaker 5: I was the ABC, then UPN and then like ABC
Speaker 5: like TGI Friday Friday.
Speaker 1: Man, that was good and that you know, there were enough.
Speaker 1: This was back when they would like replay episodes throughout
Speaker 1: the week, right right, syndicated. Yeah, you got to watch
Speaker 1: a little bit of Rkle on Friday, but you can
Speaker 1: watch Urkle a few more other days.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was nice. Yeah, but Friday got a new.
Speaker 2: Racle got that.
Speaker 3: New Yeah, he's a robot Friday, He's a Bruce Lee.
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 2: That was like the was excited.
Speaker 5: I think I was for an rclizer, Like I remember
Speaker 5: thinking about it like the week up right, you know,
Speaker 5: because it'd be like, oh, in all New Family Matters,
Speaker 5: Racles going Chinese or whatever.
Speaker 2: I was waiting they pitched it. Yeah, I was I
Speaker 2: was gonna handle it.
Speaker 5: I realized I had dug a hole for myself.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that because like, yeah, no, Malcolm and
Speaker 2: Eddie when they announced that, like Eddie Griffin was gonna
Speaker 2: do Prince, it was like a whole building and I
Speaker 2: remember like, oh, man, I can't wait to see you
Speaker 2: can't wait being Prince crazy.
Speaker 5: And how Malcolm's gonna hate right right, We're not supposed
Speaker 5: to have prints in a tow truck. Wasn't that the
Speaker 5: pharmacy show that.
Speaker 2: It was like a restaurant. Yeah, it was like a restaurant, club,
Speaker 2: bar slash.
Speaker 3: It was Malcolmic Eddie had he was always making jokes
Speaker 3: about stuff he had in the truck.
Speaker 1: Slash my Ani's office.
Speaker 2: One stop shot.
Speaker 5: That's literally what the episodes would be.
Speaker 2: Remember is that somebody would.
Speaker 1: Drop their car off to Eddie, I need you to
Speaker 1: fix my car, and he'd be like, ship, I can't
Speaker 1: fix that car. You gotta go chill in the restaurant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then Mary J. Blige would walk
Speaker 2: in the restaurant like what's wrong with that guy?
Speaker 1: He's not a good Mechnny I was like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck are you here?
Speaker 5: That would be how they got you in the week
Speaker 5: two though, was like on an all new Malcolm and Eddie,
Speaker 5: you stopping and she's just like doing real love with
Speaker 5: the like because I remember thinking that, Like I remember
Speaker 5: always thinking. I was like, musicians have music videos, they're
Speaker 5: obviously incredible actors, Like I would want to see them
Speaker 5: in morning. Yeah, I saw a Fast and Furious because
Speaker 5: of Joe Rule.
Speaker 2: I was disappointed the yo, they fucked us, so he was.
Speaker 2: He was a big pull for trailer. Trailer makes this
Speaker 2: scene like it's his movie. The trailer does all the
Speaker 2: things that he does. You think it's his family.
Speaker 7: You think it's their own family, and they like it.
Speaker 2: Was like you don't see him anymore.
Speaker 5: It's like, yo, he says these people, he says three
Speaker 5: things in that movie. He says three things in that movie.
Speaker 5: He saysnaja, And you're like, this is about to be
Speaker 5: in the performance. He's such a good actor.
Speaker 2: And then he says, Monica, isn't it that he races
Speaker 2: Vin Diesel and loses.
Speaker 3: Is that a girl walks in the race, Yes, a
Speaker 3: girl walks up though she says, you know you she's
Speaker 3: I remember the show. She's like, you know, if you win,
Speaker 3: you could have all of this, or if you lose
Speaker 3: you can have this anyways, but if you win you
Speaker 3: get hurt too, and then she takes his hand and
Speaker 3: puts it on her titty and that's why when he
Speaker 3: kicks on the NOSS, he says, manage.
Speaker 1: But they were like, it's not clear he gets the
Speaker 1: fut the same time.
Speaker 2: I like the world where they had that scene to
Speaker 2: make him say makes it.
Speaker 1: They're like, whoa, you gotta fix man. We've studied car races.
Speaker 1: It's not like a traditional yell. Didn't you do it again?
Speaker 5: He's like, I like to think he said, like five
Speaker 5: other things that didn't make sense was what they had
Speaker 5: to build.
Speaker 2: Yeah, say that job the same girl.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I did.
Speaker 1: Not remember joh Rule's uh heavily featured appearance in the
Speaker 1: trailer he does they kill him off from the entire
Speaker 1: fucking because they didn't bring him back and they never.
Speaker 2: Run him back. He's in the world. Yeah, this in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 5: Yea, his name is Edwin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, don't literally hurt you.
Speaker 2: That's why I saw the movie such as So Permanent
Speaker 2: for You, Paul Walker and Vin Diesel got me through
Speaker 2: and driving under trucks for DVD players like I got
Speaker 2: through it, but I missed when they were just yeah,
Speaker 2: it was better doing the Space and it starts with
Speaker 2: you steal in the DVD player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what they sold us.
Speaker 2: That's not what.
Speaker 1: He wasn't stealing. He wasn't stealing fucking eight tracks.
Speaker 2: That need to go to Space. Ye you think he's
Speaker 2: hold your breath.
Speaker 5: Also, the DVD things.
Speaker 3: Stealing DVDs didn't make sense because even when that movie
Speaker 3: came out, they already had like DVD players at Walmart, right,
Speaker 3: Like he was already like a commodity, right been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that movie had me looking under cars for the
Speaker 2: longest to see like like, when is there I'm going
Speaker 2: to see a truck that does have a tire under it?
Speaker 2: Yeahs big as eighteen wheel trucks have at least one tire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And you're saying, somehow they've only they
Speaker 1: found trucks.
Speaker 2: They found trucks that you could drive a whole car
Speaker 2: is underneath, no doubt.
Speaker 5: Also a lot of nods I had never heard about.
Speaker 5: Noting that became a.
Speaker 2: Streak, It became an energy, Yeah, it did becoming Do
Speaker 2: you want the effects of noss?
Speaker 5: Do you want the effects of knots? But you ain't
Speaker 5: got a driver's license?
Speaker 2: You think they're ever energy drinks for rich people. I
Speaker 2: feel like we all got the same.
Speaker 5: I think they're separate everything for people.
Speaker 2: You think, so, I think rich energy drinks is like
Speaker 2: an expresso. But like I feel like we don't like
Speaker 2: the juice, crunk juice.
Speaker 1: I think Celsius for a while was in private eye spaces.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's real. And then and I think you
Speaker 2: and your friends were drinking crunk juice for some time.
Speaker 2: Sometimes because I'm from Atlanta though.
Speaker 1: Because you weren't drinking Celsius. Okay, I think the remaining
Speaker 1: but I think both are true.
Speaker 2: Every like little waiting room in Atlanta had a crunk juice.
Speaker 1: Fridge man, so they really. I think I've seen crunk
Speaker 1: juice three times in my Yeah, it was like readily available.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you go other places and there's
Speaker 1: like like cucumbers and water, a little crook juice.
Speaker 2: Free that's crazy, you know, on tap and sparkling a
Speaker 2: room town like a hot juice please. It was just
Speaker 2: like red Bull or any other thing, you know, except
Speaker 2: for like endorse my Little John Damn.
Speaker 1: I think, and this is my own negative judgment. I
Speaker 1: would have expected it to be sweet, like.
Speaker 2: Probably it's probably a little like they did have flavors,
Speaker 2: I think, and they were like, it was probably worse
Speaker 2: for you for some reason. I think it's all you
Speaker 2: got some poison in there, so I was supposed to
Speaker 2: drink all that crib too much? Is this had racist
Speaker 2: yours of the the Sun's mascot, which is it's a
Speaker 2: gorilla for some reason, and looking a basketball and you're
Speaker 2: a black man wearing a gorilla on your hat. I
Speaker 2: can't believe they made it. I can't believe, like, you know,
Speaker 2: passed like a lot of Unfortunately, the Trump administration is
Speaker 2: put a lot on the docket that we haven't gotten around.
Speaker 2: I think we don't this. I think in the right
Speaker 2: window of time, this hat would have been out of
Speaker 2: the paint. Yeah, it's crazy, it's nut.
Speaker 1: I think in a fucking in a in a truly
Speaker 1: egalitarian world, the gorilla would have been eliminated by now.
Speaker 2: It's doesn't make anything around so long. It's really crazy.
Speaker 2: No gorillas in Phoenix. There's no gorillas. It's just they
Speaker 2: just wanted to make them mony.
Speaker 1: I know, black people playing basketball. Monkey damn Phoenix a
Speaker 1: monkey in a Jersey.
Speaker 5: Let's see if they'll let that. Let us do this
Speaker 5: is the place that it would go through though. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: where it's like who's going to vote?
Speaker 2: Again? We don't live there. It's gotta be awkward when
Speaker 2: the when the gorilla guys like takes this stuff off
Speaker 2: and like you know, might make eye contact with like
Speaker 2: KD or something and just like, hey, dude, I gotta
Speaker 2: make man, I know what it is, you know, like
Speaker 2: no judge me. Yeah.
Speaker 5: They should have just got it. They could have got anything.
Speaker 2: They could have got anything, anything that lives in the desert.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a get go your sonhead, just do.
Speaker 2: A here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing mascots are. I think they gritty is
Speaker 3: one thing. But I think for the most party, the
Speaker 3: better mascots are like sexier. Now like a son is
Speaker 3: too it's too cumbered, cumbers you mean, just ahead.
Speaker 2: And that regular.
Speaker 1: But you can do whatever you want with the body
Speaker 1: the premises, son. All you have to do is have
Speaker 1: a head that's interesting.
Speaker 2: You do what you can do. You know what I
Speaker 2: would do.
Speaker 5: I would make it a cool guy named Ray Ray. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because Rays Okay, he's got some glasses on. I got
Speaker 5: you just like Raphael. Wow, No, that's not all that's.
Speaker 1: He just got love is a cool nigga.
Speaker 2: Spoke a long cigarette basketball, Rob.
Speaker 1: You you came to us today with a conspiracy and
Speaker 1: we eventually have to talk conspiracy theory at some point
Speaker 1: at some point, But you came to us with a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: I personally have never heard anybody say before either.
Speaker 2: This is exciting.
Speaker 1: This bill is very personal in a way that I'm
Speaker 1: excited to hear you unpack.
Speaker 2: You said, my mama told.
Speaker 1: Me Michael Jackson never got unnecessary surgery.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Tell us everything you know and believe I.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, as you guys know, I keep a lot
Speaker 2: of knowledge about out music and stuff, to the point
Speaker 2: where the algorithm just feeds me stuff. If there's ever
Speaker 2: a new resurface video Michael Jackson, it will hit my feed.
Speaker 1: First, Okay, your first responder for Michael Jackson videos.
Speaker 2: I'm there's never been a time where like somebody sent
Speaker 2: me a Michael Jackson video and then I've been like, oh,
Speaker 2: I never seen this one before. It's normally like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've seen that. Look at this part. You know. So
Speaker 2: I've been starting to get truther Michael Jackson's content coming
Speaker 2: to me. WHOA Now I will I will tell you
Speaker 2: that I found out earlier today, some of the pictures
Speaker 2: that I've been getting.
Speaker 5: How did you? How did you find out?
Speaker 2: Because I was like, I was like making sure I
Speaker 2: didn't just make up. Yeah, But then I was just like,
Speaker 2: oh man, there are people that are out here debunking
Speaker 2: some of the studio. I picture that when you said it.
Speaker 1: I pictured your wife whispering it in your ear, like
Speaker 1: that man did for George Bush when he found out.
Speaker 2: About all she gave. We lost the town. So the
Speaker 2: thing is, sometimes I'll get the like I would believe
Speaker 2: them if they had separated them, But all the videos
Speaker 2: I get are like, nah, it's one thing. It's like
Speaker 2: he didn't bleach his skin and he didn't have any
Speaker 2: unnecessary surgery. It's like that's a lot to tackle in
Speaker 2: one video.
Speaker 3: Your Instagram limit like three minutes, Come on, I need
Speaker 3: at least ten right.
Speaker 2: Cover more. It's not so there's people that believe that. Okay,
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson the fire, the Pepsi commercial, right, which is
Speaker 2: like triggered is he's his loopis?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this like eighty four early eighty four triggered his
Speaker 2: loopis And then basically that's what causes like some of
Speaker 2: the like red disccoloration that you see in his skin,
Speaker 2: and then after that he also has vill aligo, which
Speaker 2: my father told me he made up. My father didn't
Speaker 2: even believe Villa lago was the thing. Oh, he didn't
Speaker 2: even believe he was. My dad didn't believe in the
Speaker 2: premise of no disease. He was like Michael Jackson, like
Speaker 2: because when you're a kid, you're like, you're looking at
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson and then your parents are either like he's
Speaker 2: black or you're like, oh man, like he's white, and
Speaker 2: then your parents are cracking up or whatever. So yeah,
Speaker 2: my parents had we had that discussion. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: what happened? How did he end up like this? And
Speaker 2: my dad's like, he made up some disease bill a
Speaker 2: lago with something I don't know, and it's I always
Speaker 2: like remember that in my head, like, oh man, Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson so powerful. He made up a disease.
Speaker 5: That's how you thought about it, was like he's so powerful.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you're a cycle.
Speaker 2: Room for thirteen seconds, broke up a disease. He walked backwards.
Speaker 2: Litter sucks. They don't sell him at Walmart.
Speaker 5: That's true. That was a crazy thing. To come out
Speaker 5: with like litter sock technologies.
Speaker 1: Come on, just the high socks alone with such a
Speaker 1: dangerous decision.
Speaker 5: Also, he's wearing those like captain's tassels on his shoulders
Speaker 5: and he's.
Speaker 2: Walking with it with an army of people would come on.
Speaker 1: About his style up, everything about his style would have
Speaker 1: gotten him literally murdered in Gary, Indiana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he found a way too.
Speaker 5: He's just like a motorcycle motorcycle motorcycler, like that's meant
Speaker 5: the motorcycle itself. And he just had like bondage girl.
Speaker 1: He looked insane, bad, Yeah, crazy, I think, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everywhere impossible, he did the impossible, and so you believe
Speaker 1: the disease could have been more proof of his amazing.
Speaker 2: Power, right right. But then later people were saying he
Speaker 2: bleached his skin, and then I find these videos saying
Speaker 2: he didn't bleach his skin.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a pretty big window of time in
Speaker 1: between you finding these videos and everything else you knew,
Speaker 1: right right right. I think you really rushed that middle
Speaker 1: part and I would say that was all.
Speaker 2: Of your adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that big chunk that you skipped over was all
Speaker 1: the years of just common sense building over time.
Speaker 2: I wanted to believe it. I think they knew that
Speaker 2: deep down there some people that wanted to be like
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson woke up one day and was like, what
Speaker 2: happened to me? Oh my god? Yeah, oh man, I
Speaker 2: gotta call this Taylor and tell her like, I'm different.
Speaker 1: Those people scare me anybody else, because because look, I
Speaker 1: love Michael Jackson, I do not I recognize that that
Speaker 1: at the very least, what he was doing was completely
Speaker 1: unhealthy and inappropriate with those children. What scale it went
Speaker 1: to is not anything I'll ever know, and I think,
Speaker 1: frankly any of us will ever know, right, I think objectively,
Speaker 1: he did bad things with those kids just by spending
Speaker 1: the type of time he was spending it with them.
Speaker 5: You don't want any grown man hanging out with your kids.
Speaker 2: No, it's nasty.
Speaker 1: It's a nasty, weird thing to do, chill out right,
Speaker 1: regardless of what their childhood was or it's just like,
Speaker 1: that's like a line. I cannot undo my relationship with
Speaker 1: the music, with the sort of joy that he represented
Speaker 1: for me. So Michael Jackson remained, I'm sorry that said
Speaker 1: the the idea that you you are so wanting him
Speaker 1: to be a god that you you pretend he didn't
Speaker 1: fuck up his nose fell off.
Speaker 3: I think he's just some people's Trump. I think he
Speaker 3: was like I think that's true in the same way
Speaker 3: some people just Trump can't do anything wrong. I think
Speaker 3: he can't.
Speaker 2: He's trying to hit notes. One surgery, that's all I
Speaker 2: give you. One. Yeah, that's it. That's it.
Speaker 5: What about late Michael though?
Speaker 3: What you mean like like maybe they didn't do it
Speaker 3: right and then it just got lighter and lighter and light.
Speaker 2: One surgery, that's all I give you.
Speaker 5: That's man, that's tough. That's all you believe in is
Speaker 5: one surgery.
Speaker 2: One surgery.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's talk about that was the one surgeon.
Speaker 1: Let's take it break. Let's on a cliffhanger. I believes
Speaker 1: that there was one surgery that changed everything for Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson and everything else is just God. I've supposed doing
Speaker 1: what he does to the King of pop Is that
Speaker 1: our argument? Yeah, Okay, when we come back from this break,
Speaker 1: we are going to find out what that that supposed
Speaker 1: surgery is. This is very exciting, a beautiful Cliffhanter. We'll
Speaker 1: be back more Rob Hayes more. Ma Mama told me.
Speaker 5: We're not gonna let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cut
Speaker 5: America's me.
Speaker 2: That's that only it's almost like this guy is some
Speaker 2: We're back, We're back, that's it. Rob. Rob is still here.
Speaker 1: Rob is still trying to convince us one surgery that
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson only had one surgery. Please, Rob, if you
Speaker 1: will tell us what that one surgery was, he told.
Speaker 2: Us he had the one surgery so you can hear
Speaker 2: higher notes on his nose. He told Martin Basheer that
Speaker 2: when Martin Vasheer went in his house unannounced and you know,
Speaker 2: caused all these problems for my man, Mike.
Speaker 5: Martin really acted up on that interview.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, we didn't even ask for that.
Speaker 2: We're just chilling out of nowhere. It's like, I spent
Speaker 2: this time with Michael Jackson. Now we see him holding
Speaker 2: hands with some kid and stuff, climbing trees. We need
Speaker 2: to see none of that Jackson. Yeah, come on, man,
Speaker 2: the British media, man, they know what they did.
Speaker 6: So uh.
Speaker 2: You know like like basically, okay, Michael Jackson, y'all know Icarus, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: you only go so close to the sun. Well you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying your wings start melting. Michael Jackson's
Speaker 2: seeing heights weed never seen. She spun more than probably
Speaker 2: anybody's ever spun, just like physically, so probably some of
Speaker 2: that knows some of that color guy went off in
Speaker 2: the spin.
Speaker 5: I bet it was in the atmosphere.
Speaker 2: You think he spun so fast that it literally just like,
Speaker 2: have we ever seen anybody else spind like that? Why
Speaker 2: did Berry saying this? Quit early? He is getting too light?
Speaker 2: Am I looking lighter? Verry gotta stock?
Speaker 4: I don't want to live in Detroit. You're not the
Speaker 4: man I married. This game is ruining on family.
Speaker 2: You don't even look like your son anymore.
Speaker 5: He said, you know me, I spin because Barry does
Speaker 5: you married?
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, man, that's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm thinking, and I don't. I'm not loving
Speaker 1: what you're saying so far. But it did introduce at
Speaker 1: least a challenge that I've never faced before. What was
Speaker 1: the first day that Mike came back that color?
Speaker 3: It had to be wik Yeah, because you are a
Speaker 3: great timeline for this. Yea, yeah, what's the album timeline? Okay,
Speaker 3: it's dangerous.
Speaker 5: He was all the way right dangerous is all the
Speaker 5: way white. It's all the way white, right right, right?
Speaker 5: And then what's the is bad that before that Bad? Yeah,
Speaker 5: so it's between thriller and Bad. Thriller comes out late
Speaker 5: eighty two, they shoot the videos that eighty three, the
Speaker 5: awards is eighty four.
Speaker 1: And by Thriller, he's already got a new nose, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now you don't have to acknowledge where that nose came from,
Speaker 1: but you do acknowledge that nose was not the nose
Speaker 1: we started with.
Speaker 2: That's not the nose we started with, okay, Right, he's
Speaker 2: also making plays with the hair. Yeah, well they I mean,
Speaker 2: that's just hair at the time, right, the hair.
Speaker 5: The hair just.
Speaker 2: Crazy to us because we grew up in a hip
Speaker 2: hop fade era, But like that was hair at the
Speaker 2: time that a lot.
Speaker 1: Of baby hairs on bad I think I think it
Speaker 1: started to transition from any version of Africanized hair, right
Speaker 1: and started to transition into a fine Latina woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some type of a Cariban do this, So okay,
Speaker 2: So the Pepsi shoot early eighty four, the hairs burned,
Speaker 2: So now you gotta start experimenting with wigs. They probably
Speaker 2: don't make Jered Curle wigs. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: So the technolay hair texture might be different. And also
Speaker 2: we don't know what grew back and what didn't grow back,
Speaker 2: you know, like these are these are some of the
Speaker 2: secrets that Mike might have all always had a bald spot.
Speaker 2: After that, we really don't know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I will say, like eighty five, when he gets the
Speaker 2: Grammy for uh, We Are the World, he looked different.
Speaker 5: He in that We Are of the World documentary.
Speaker 2: When they recorded We Are the World, that's somebody that
Speaker 2: we know. But then when he came back to get
Speaker 2: the Grammy, he looked different. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The recording he is he is clearly still black.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's doing a lot.
Speaker 5: It's it's starting.
Speaker 2: To separate himself. That's how from it.
Speaker 1: And then to your point, by the time they accept
Speaker 1: the award, that's a brand new person.
Speaker 2: Now my issue is.
Speaker 1: Why and maybe it just speaks to how talented this
Speaker 1: man was that he could come back a different color
Speaker 1: and everybody's just like, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, we accept that. As Michael Jackson.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, he still came back strong as dog.
Speaker 5: But look how crazy it couldn't exist nowadays.
Speaker 1: I think, bro, we're calling Jamie Fox a clone, and
Speaker 1: the nigga ain't changed one bit.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's true.
Speaker 1: Michael could come back a whole white woman and we'd
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, it's Michael Jackson. That's the most famous
Speaker 1: man that's ever lived.
Speaker 5: Has anyone ever done a bigger change?
Speaker 1: Not? Not not at that scale. Sammy Sosa, I would say, made.
Speaker 2: And it's the same. I don't think anybody's ever done something,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: then they change a bones. That's crazy, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like like that was like we we they
Speaker 2: probably never seen anything like that. There was probably some
Speaker 2: people that There's also been things that people have been saying,
Speaker 2: like you know, like they were switching up the makeup
Speaker 2: so you see him, you'll see him like uh in
Speaker 2: rehearsal footage and stuff be darker than when you see
Speaker 2: him performing stuff. And so like some some of it's
Speaker 2: some like little Richard action going on, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And then also but I mean maybe it's
Speaker 2: like years and years of all different types of makeup,
Speaker 2: all different types of foundation, all different spins, you know,
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, you make this stuff together. They started
Speaker 2: changing Mike Mike down. The paint is coming in and
Speaker 2: Teddy Riley did dangerous you know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 2: took us to Egypt. Don't think hein you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Don't think Michael Jackson a shame of who
Speaker 2: he is, where he came from. Johnson was in there,
Speaker 2: and probably some people on edge about it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 5: But like, yeah, they debuted that on box.
Speaker 1: Naomi Kimball wasn't Naomi Kimball was in the keep it,
Speaker 1: keep It in the closet and in the clock.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like people really don't let that.
Speaker 5: That's a very formative video for me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the beat is great, the video is great.
Speaker 2: I really don't understand what the song is saying.
Speaker 5: No, that's not the point.
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Yeah, oh well that's about being
Speaker 2: a crib exactly. Rip picture is real, you know a
Speaker 2: picture I've always wondered. He is real. And I feel
Speaker 2: like you're the one asked the.
Speaker 5: One where he's got the bottle and the two little ladies,
Speaker 5: the two little the little people ladies.
Speaker 2: I know what you man?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Clearly, I'm not the person to verify stuff is real
Speaker 2: or not, but I've seen it. Yeah, I would love
Speaker 2: to know the story.
Speaker 5: Mean, I think about that a lot.
Speaker 2: I say that picture like it's it's clearly somebody like
Speaker 2: opened the door and took a picture and he looking
Speaker 2: stressed out and it's like a lady right there by
Speaker 2: the bed or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what you're talking about with this where
Speaker 1: he's drinking with Yeah, you're.
Speaker 2: Familiar with this.
Speaker 3: I tried to put it on a hoodie, but Zazzle
Speaker 3: wouldn't let me do it.
Speaker 2: What does that mean? You know, be in charge of hoodies?
Speaker 3: Know that those websites where you could like make your
Speaker 3: own hoodie, they were like this images and yeah they could.
Speaker 2: I couldn't do that.
Speaker 5: I also try to do one with my new ball
Speaker 5: in the swimming pool. They woul't let me do that.
Speaker 5: That's a good that would be a cool on a hoodie.
Speaker 5: I would be a great Yeah you should get embroidered.
Speaker 5: I bet they don't have the same mom.
Speaker 2: So he's got like a like a forty I thought
Speaker 2: you meant like a baby bottle and I was like.
Speaker 7: That's intensitive. Yeah, he's not. He's like these my people. No,
Speaker 7: he looks a little Denise and that's a little Mariah.
Speaker 2: He looks so comfortable. See it again. Yeah, he looks great.
Speaker 5: That's like happier than I feel like he looks at
Speaker 5: most people.
Speaker 1: They look comfy, he looks happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know them, man, he was in our kind.
Speaker 2: We don't know. We don't know. Because when he died
Speaker 2: they found thirty six bottles of bleaching creams. That doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that he used them on his skin.
Speaker 1: So here this is I think where we get into
Speaker 1: some of the the my concerns.
Speaker 2: Okay, and you feel free to tag in wherever.
Speaker 1: I just I did a quick google of just how
Speaker 1: what surgeries Michael Jackson underwent, and they said he will
Speaker 1: underwent multiple plastic surgery procedures throughout his life.
Speaker 2: Here's a timeline of the surgery. It's all Amelia for
Speaker 2: his proper game, just saying real. Early eighties.
Speaker 1: They say that he had rhinoplasty, no surgery to reduce
Speaker 1: the size of his nose. Yeah, early eighties, so it
Speaker 1: would have to be before the PEPSI. They also said
Speaker 1: that he started skin bleaching due to his vitiligo come
Speaker 1: on that that really was because of the skin condition.
Speaker 1: And I have seen interviews with his mom. She says
Speaker 1: that he his bleaching was so severe, not his active bleaching,
Speaker 1: but like the bleaching of his skin from videligo was
Speaker 1: so severe, mostly under his clothes, which is why he
Speaker 1: started wearing long sleeves everywhere. Which is why he started
Speaker 1: wearing the glove. Was because it was like starting to spread.
Speaker 1: It started in his chest and then spread throughout his bod.
Speaker 5: I'm so sad, man, we would have took it. If
Speaker 5: you'd have just been like I'm Michael Jackson, I got
Speaker 5: we would.
Speaker 2: Have took it. He could have winn harlowed that ship.
Speaker 2: But there was no Winny Harlow like like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think about that all the time. But I also
Speaker 2: think that like he he would he would have had
Speaker 2: the like really just I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 2: the eighties was mean and he would have had to
Speaker 2: take you know what I'm saying. I think I think
Speaker 2: like he would have took it would have been all
Speaker 2: kind of jokes. He would have took all kind of
Speaker 2: He would have took a lot.
Speaker 3: But he you take a lot, but just leave me alone.
Speaker 5: Another great song.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The body, Yeah, come on, it was like the sledgehammer
Speaker 3: video from that rock and roll man. But he did
Speaker 3: take so much from it, right yeah, Like do you
Speaker 3: think I don't think he would have taken more had
Speaker 3: he let it rock than that had he gone to
Speaker 3: the Lake City went to.
Speaker 2: I agree, But I do feel like, you know, that
Speaker 2: is that is the tricky thing about trying to alter
Speaker 2: your appearance, and especially for like the perception of others.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a great comedy specially about that same
Speaker 2: thing called front You guys should check it out. But
Speaker 2: it is the curse of that thing where you're like,
Speaker 2: you're you're doing this thing and then you know, the
Speaker 2: goal of altering your appearance is you know, acceptance, acceptance,
Speaker 2: and sometimes reaching for that is what you know, totally
Speaker 2: get you extracise, totally get you unaccepted. You know. But
Speaker 2: I think his experience was so bugged out already that
Speaker 2: it probably you know, I think that's why he was
Speaker 2: able to be so drastic, because it's like I have
Speaker 2: dirafts in my front yard. My life is already different,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like I've been I've been
Speaker 2: taking care of this whole family since I was eleven, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, my life is just different. So then it's
Speaker 2: just also like okay, if I you know, it might
Speaker 2: be a physical manifestation of that of like, hey, when
Speaker 2: you see me, No, I'm not the same, because I'm
Speaker 2: not the same.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's something crazy.
Speaker 1: And in keeping your name the same, having gone from
Speaker 1: the brokest human being alive in Gary, Indiana, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like nothing literally no opportunity, no dream,
Speaker 1: no way of accessing anything, right, and then suddenly becoming
Speaker 1: an ascended human to the point that you are gotten,
Speaker 1: Like people pass out when you walk into a room, right, Like, no,
Speaker 1: and you kept the name the same, right, No, I
Speaker 1: have to change something to be able to demonstrate the transformation.
Speaker 3: Of it and the timeline on that. Right, the eighties
Speaker 3: would have seemed when it was the most he was
Speaker 3: the most affected by that, right, Like, that's the biggest
Speaker 3: transition in his like, because that's when he goes from
Speaker 3: like I that's when it becomes icon. Right, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: eighties is king of Bop.
Speaker 1: I think that Jackson five were massive, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that they were like, I don't imagine that they
Speaker 1: were permanent in the people's minds of like, oh, this
Speaker 1: group will be with us forever and always types.
Speaker 3: And they were were they international, Like Thriller to Bad
Speaker 3: is like that's like that's I think that's become Now
Speaker 3: you're a legend, You're a living legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that, like the the Jackson
Speaker 2: Five are in, you know, are popular, but they thought
Speaker 2: of as a novelty and they're put in a box
Speaker 2: with other kids groups. I think the stuff he did
Speaker 2: with the Jackson's when they went to Philly and gambling,
Speaker 2: huff and stuff like some of that stuff kind of
Speaker 2: solidified them as in the mix in an R and
Speaker 2: B context, right, And then when you know, when basically
Speaker 2: Off the Wall gets shunned from major category, Grammy's kind
Speaker 2: of the same fight, Beyonce. You know, it's fighting, and
Speaker 2: so many black artists fight as far as like like
Speaker 2: acceptance overall the entire music industry. That's when it's like,
Speaker 2: let's go pop, let's put gold on the jacket, let's
Speaker 2: go for it. And then they did it, and they
Speaker 2: did it so well. It was like the biggest album ever.
Speaker 2: And now it's like, yeah, it gets it gets nuts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense, that sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he had to to your point, he had
Speaker 1: to make some changes. Yeah, do at least I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he had to.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, like I feel, I feel for
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson sometimes and I feel like, you know, I
Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, now with the twenty twenty five lens,
Speaker 2: we can be like, yes, he could have done so
Speaker 2: much for other people who had Villa Lago and like
Speaker 2: could have been transparent and that could have been the
Speaker 2: next you know, like you know, instead of you know,
Speaker 2: he could have been vulnerable. He could have he could
Speaker 2: have showed us blah blah blah. But also I think,
Speaker 2: like that's a lot to ask somebody who you know, probably.
Speaker 5: It also wasn't a wave like it is now right
Speaker 5: to do good, to.
Speaker 2: Be vulnerable, toable. It was still to be a good person.
Speaker 2: Like none of that was cool back then.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's not until recently and then
Speaker 1: it's it's all so now died. But it wasn't until
Speaker 1: recently that we actually wanted our heroes to be human.
Speaker 5: Right, know what I mean, I don't even know if
Speaker 5: we actually do.
Speaker 2: No, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think we killed it off immediately because we saw
Speaker 1: a bunch of human qualities and all of these people
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh no, no, no, this is
Speaker 1: fucking awful. Go back to being right completely separate from us,
Speaker 1: and now we can't figure out a way to put
Speaker 1: that back in. We wanted desperately to go away, and
Speaker 1: we can't fix it anymore. But no, I think Michael Jackson, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. He grew up in an era where there
Speaker 1: are gods and there are men, and he was a
Speaker 1: god and he could not show that vulnerability as a god.
Speaker 2: That said, there are many other surgeries I'd love to
Speaker 2: cover with you. That's why.
Speaker 1: I guess in the mid eighties he apparently had additional
Speaker 1: rhinoplasty and cheek augmentation.
Speaker 2: Eighties he had.
Speaker 1: Eyelid surgery and lip off augmentation.
Speaker 5: That's when they got thin.
Speaker 2: That's when they got real thin.
Speaker 5: Is that when the ad libs came when it got
Speaker 5: real thin, because that is.
Speaker 2: There's nothing to block the.
Speaker 5: Noise ship when they put this ship, that's how you
Speaker 5: show it up. But look what they just did. He
Speaker 5: was probably saying it the whole time, but them big
Speaker 5: old juicy lips was it was getting in the way
Speaker 5: I like to think he wrote man in the Mirror
Speaker 5: before and he tried to sing it and he was like, no,
Speaker 5: he's not ready. But it was.
Speaker 2: Those blues lips.
Speaker 1: Baby, you want to say them boys thin as a razor.
Speaker 2: We don't realize it was for the art.
Speaker 5: That's like Rocky being like, cut I can't do it right.
Speaker 2: You got to take some juice out.
Speaker 5: I got it.
Speaker 1: I love that that this was all just a beautiful
Speaker 1: effort towards making better music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the early.
Speaker 5: Because I do like those That ship was so good.
Speaker 2: In the early nineties.
Speaker 1: Uh, he got multiple rhino Plastic's chin augmentation again and
Speaker 1: breast implants, which he later removed. I think I think
Speaker 1: they say breast. I imagine it was more chest than.
Speaker 5: Okay context to with huge titties. I don't think.
Speaker 2: Just a couple of days, you know, see what it
Speaker 2: was hitting on blank it an't like it. He got
Speaker 2: rid over. I thought breastfeed.
Speaker 3: I thought with the big titties out, that would be
Speaker 3: that would be crazy, that would be crazy.
Speaker 2: Was that the You're not alone?
Speaker 5: He really abandoned that. Bob fast, It's not good. I
Speaker 5: think we talked about it on here before that was not.
Speaker 1: We started to talk about and then you distracted us
Speaker 1: with tiny Have you ever seen Michael Jackson's nipples?
Speaker 5: That's right, have you? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I've seen him. Olivia Smart.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Olivia's shown us pictures Michael Jackson with titties
Speaker 5: showing it.
Speaker 2: But I'm excited Mike and a brown man.
Speaker 5: Like it's supposed to No, I got I'm sorry. Continue
Speaker 5: though we're talking about the bob. He got his bob.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, he also in the mid nineties
Speaker 1: got a facelift and Talx injections.
Speaker 2: Believe I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: In the nineties he all late nineties he got more
Speaker 1: rhino plastics and a skin graft to repair damage from lupus. Okay, see, okay,
Speaker 1: I am saying that picture now, and it does suck.
Speaker 5: You're right, it's tough.
Speaker 1: And then in the two thousands he got additional skin
Speaker 1: grafts and laser treatments, and then, of course, in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine he died from cardiac arrest from taking
Speaker 1: all that propothoal.
Speaker 5: I feel like the two thousands we weren't really seeing
Speaker 5: him as much visually in court.
Speaker 2: Yeah, top of almost suburban and stuff, right, that was
Speaker 2: the two thousands, A lot of umbrellas, a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of face masks. He was early and.
Speaker 5: But but but compared to how exposed he was before,
Speaker 5: Like we watched him kind of our lifetime is watching
Speaker 5: him go, I think and further inside.
Speaker 1: I think he went through so many sort of like
Speaker 1: heartbreaks just with like the the accusations around obviously the
Speaker 1: him being you know, a sex criminal, but then additionally
Speaker 1: like the ship with his kids and like getting sort
Speaker 1: of exposed for whatever those weird relationships were, all the
Speaker 1: civil trials, he was facing down all the weird like then.
Speaker 1: Remember there was a period where he had started like
Speaker 1: suing his company, his record label for racial injustice, and
Speaker 1: he had like linked up with Johnny Cochrane trying to
Speaker 1: like recoup funds off of what he claimed was them
Speaker 1: trying to tank his career. Like, I think he was
Speaker 1: so disillusioned with the world that you had to put
Speaker 1: an umbrella up and go inside.
Speaker 2: He had Johnny Cochrane first, though he had Johnny Cochran
Speaker 2: before oj Oh, he was before OJH. Yeah, he might
Speaker 2: have gave number WOA n art back in the nineties
Speaker 2: Johnny cockran was on board, and then either Johnny Coger
Speaker 2: had to leave or they settled or whatever. Yeah, Johnny
Speaker 2: Cocker left and then they settled. There's something Johnny Coger
Speaker 2: don't take no ls, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: then yeah, but then then when OJ got away, Johnny
Speaker 2: cogre and it was like he got lawyer to the stars.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. If that's the that's who OJ called.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's I'm just saying, Mike, I
Speaker 2: need a number one man, I could call. Oh, Johnny,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't give you this number. But I heard you
Speaker 2: had a glove on, so you know, gloves got to
Speaker 2: stick together. Man, you believe that was his real voice?
Speaker 2: I do not believe. No, that wasn't his voice. No,
Speaker 2: we've heard, yeah, we've heard his real voice.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in that in the recordings for the video game.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, that boy game. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: The game. They have to lost files of him. Ready
Speaker 2: to Rumble. I wish they had told us that was him.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean arguments I had in school. It
Speaker 2: ain't no real Michael Jackson voice. You don't even know about.
Speaker 2: Ready to rumble it was really him. That's crazy nuts
Speaker 2: because I think they couldn't advertise it. I think Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson was in such hot water at the time. I
Speaker 2: don't think they could really advertise that it was him
Speaker 2: in the game. But yeah, I thought that's why he
Speaker 2: changed his voice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, out of respect to what y'all
Speaker 1: got going, and you're still going to represent me, I'll
Speaker 1: give you my voice, I'll change it.
Speaker 2: I'll just give you a different Michael Jackson. He made
Speaker 2: some of the songs for Sonic.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that original.
Speaker 2: One of the like like, yeah, the same video game,
Speaker 2: video game Crazy produce some of somemer Sonic Underwater. That
Speaker 2: was crazy.
Speaker 5: Man, that was good.
Speaker 3: That's really hang out to just listen to the song
Speaker 3: and he starts tapping his foot and he puts his hand.
Speaker 2: On They were still from music though back in those days.
Speaker 2: They you know, it's like the wiwid Wess. Nobody was
Speaker 2: protecting IP in the sixteen bit forms, so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's some songs just like man, this let's sound familiar
Speaker 2: and it was just taking stuff that sucks. I guess
Speaker 2: it's also pretty cool.
Speaker 5: I don't know, pretty cool some of some of legal uh.
Speaker 1: And I say this fully being a person who I
Speaker 1: hope doesn't get all of his proper propriety ideas whatever stolen.
Speaker 1: I I really don't like the laws around like fair use.
Speaker 1: I really feel like you made some ship I should
Speaker 1: be able to just I want to put your song
Speaker 1: in my thing and I don't want to have to
Speaker 1: ask for it.
Speaker 2: And I know that's not nice, right, but I guess
Speaker 2: just to prevent people from just totally jacking your song
Speaker 2: and just you know, and I think on it and
Speaker 2: then it's like, nah, it's my song. I think there
Speaker 2: should be.
Speaker 1: Laws around that. I think that's crazy. If you made something,
Speaker 1: it should be yours, and it should you should be
Speaker 1: paid properly for that, right. I just hate that the
Speaker 1: way that artists are forced to make their money is
Speaker 1: by having to manage all existence of their song anywhere, right,
Speaker 1: rather than you just getting paid off of the greatness
Speaker 1: of something you made and then anybody can throw it
Speaker 1: on their fucking DVD because it's a great song and
Speaker 1: we can all appreciate that you got paid properly for.
Speaker 5: It, right, right, Yeah, But that's never gonna.
Speaker 1: Happen, and that's My problem is that fair use is
Speaker 1: just us being punished for you all being snakes with
Speaker 1: the very artists you claim to represent.
Speaker 2: That's real, that's real. But I mean, like it sucks now,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like this generation I hear I see,
Speaker 2: you know, being that I received so much Michael Jackson stuff.
Speaker 2: I get into Michael Jackson versus Prince stuff all the time.
Speaker 2: There's so many people that don't have knowledge of prints
Speaker 2: because he was so protective of his IP online from
Speaker 2: the mid two thousands basically until he died, and so
Speaker 2: there's so much Prince stuff that that people didn't discover.
Speaker 2: There's so many people that don't have knowledge of prints.
Speaker 2: They're like, why would you even compare these two? But
Speaker 2: part of that is because they don't even know how
Speaker 2: like crazy Prince was going in the eighties. They don't
Speaker 2: know about a lot of his music. They don't know
Speaker 2: about a lot, you know, a lot of his influence
Speaker 2: and all of that. And it's like, you know, but
Speaker 2: part of that was because he was so tight, Like
Speaker 2: if you had a baby dance in the nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: he'd pull it down.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, did you if y'all heard
Speaker 1: about the Prince documentary.
Speaker 2: Oh they pulled it, right, the state pulled it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Netflix basically commissions this documentary from the same dude
Speaker 1: who made the OJ documentary, the one that was like this.
Speaker 8: So it's like it's not like a puff piece, it's
Speaker 8: like a no. This was like a true deep dive.
Speaker 8: And apparently I learned all this on the daily. But
Speaker 8: apparently he went to the vault because that's how they
Speaker 8: They basically, you know, Netflix got the rights to what
Speaker 8: was in the vault, and so they went to him
Speaker 8: and were like, we're giving you all his ship, go
Speaker 8: in the vault, go ahead and make the documentary. He
Speaker 8: goes in the vault, he's like, bro, all the meaningful
Speaker 8: shit has been scrubbed. That like, Prince was so on
Speaker 8: top of it in terms of keeping it private. He
Speaker 8: scrubbed anything that would have been like a sort of
Speaker 8: casual moment or anything that was like caught off guard,
Speaker 8: ass Prince. It just is all clean photos and shiny shit,
Speaker 8: right Yeah, And so he's pissed because like, this sucks.
Speaker 1: I've been I got access to the vault and it
Speaker 1: still sucks. I'm never gonna learn about this dude. And
Speaker 1: he goes on a six year mission talking to every
Speaker 1: single person who considered themselves in any way, shape form
Speaker 1: close to Prince who will talk to him, and truly
Speaker 1: makes what they described in the Daily as a masterpiece
Speaker 1: of a documentary about this dude, really exploring like most
Speaker 1: of his childhood, unpacking all of this trauma that created
Speaker 1: the character, like really like digging into relationships and his
Speaker 1: sort of like abuses and also like the abuse that
Speaker 1: he put out, like all kinds of shit unpacked. And
Speaker 1: then the family the estate saw it and was like,
Speaker 1: we gave them seventeen pages worth of notes, being like
Speaker 1: we don't want this in there, We don't want that
Speaker 1: in there. That can't exist. Nobody needs to know about this,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And he was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I can give you like a taste, but I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't lie about what I've discovered. And then the
Speaker 1: Netflix and them were just like fine, then they don't
Speaker 1: never exist, and they it's gone.
Speaker 2: Somebody got it, somebody, somebody, somebody got it. That might
Speaker 2: be my new mission to get the freaking Prince doc bro.
Speaker 2: I have mixed feelings about it, if I'm being honest
Speaker 2: with you really. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A part of me is like, well, obviously I want
Speaker 1: to see the documentary. I'm such a massive Prince fan.
Speaker 1: It would mean the world to me to know more
Speaker 1: about this person. But I also think he did it.
Speaker 1: He beat the fucking game.
Speaker 5: Bro. That's what I was thinking, is you were describing it.
Speaker 5: I was like, damn, he got away clean.
Speaker 1: He set out to keep his world private despite being
Speaker 1: arguably the most talented human being that's ever walked the
Speaker 1: face of the earth.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm going to leave this world with
Speaker 1: you knowing nothing about me, and he did it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he If you can do that, you deserve that privacy.
Speaker 1: You deserve to go into whatever after life exists for
Speaker 1: you knowing that you beat the game instead of this
Speaker 1: other version of the game where like a person dies
Speaker 1: and then we dig through all their ship and go.
Speaker 2: Ain't just crazy? He had this the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I didn't know about that. Oh no, he
Speaker 2: could still have his privacy. I'm not gonna tell nobody.
Speaker 2: I just want to see it. You just need nobody,
Speaker 2: nobody else gotta know. Yeah, I just want to see it.
Speaker 1: I think the hard part is there are one billion
Speaker 1: people on the planet. You feel the same way.
Speaker 2: I won't do it nobody. I ain't gonna clip it.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna make no content. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna see it, and you know, I ain't
Speaker 2: gonna talk about it and let somebody else see it.
Speaker 2: There we go, that's somebody else side. Then we have
Speaker 2: a conversation. Lest love had to see it.
Speaker 1: Yo, you see that there's no one they call you,
Speaker 1: they go, they gonna rob We're gonna do a private
Speaker 1: screening just you, no one else. We're gonna let you
Speaker 1: watch the Prince documentary. You watch the entire Prince documentary,
Speaker 1: you of tears in your eyes by the end of it.
Speaker 1: It is that meaningful to you too at this moment.
Speaker 1: And then you walk out of that documentary. You go
Speaker 1: back to your home, you go back to your wife.
Speaker 1: There's no fucking way in the world that while y'all
Speaker 1: are brushing your teeth late at night, you don't go
Speaker 1: the documentary was pretty crazy. Yeah, I would tell my girl,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna tell somebody.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm gonna tell my wife. She can't even
Speaker 2: testify me.
Speaker 1: Don't know that man, there's no way your wife isn't
Speaker 1: going back to her very challenging job and then being like,
Speaker 1: what were y'all up to this weekend? I do much,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you I've got to see that Princeton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything is gonna it's it's gonna become public knowledge.
Speaker 2: This never stays private.
Speaker 5: You mean that being said? How many people worked on it?
Speaker 5: There's like a lot of people have seen it. I'm
Speaker 5: sure on the documentary. Yeah, I bet a lot of
Speaker 5: people have seen it, but ed there's like the whole
Speaker 5: I bet a lot of it. A lot of what it.
Speaker 1: Is we know now because just of word of mouth
Speaker 1: that he was both controlling and abusive and complicated. Is
Speaker 1: ultimately what it all shows is that like he was abused,
Speaker 1: was put out of his childhood home at twelve by
Speaker 1: his mom, then at.
Speaker 5: Fourteen by his dad. He truly had to get it,
Speaker 5: was he when they found him in that park, That's
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He had to get it out the mud at like
Speaker 1: seventeen A crazy Yeah, I assume he just played the
Speaker 1: album for his parents and they were like, well, you
Speaker 1: don't need to go to college. No, Yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: His mom was like apparently super like cold and like,
Speaker 1: and their relationship was toxic. But then he moved in
Speaker 1: with his dad, who he loved and admired, but his
Speaker 1: dad was hello religious, Yeah, would like beat.
Speaker 2: The shit out of him. Some even have a cover
Speaker 2: of HNDS.
Speaker 1: But that's also part of what they claim makes the
Speaker 1: documentary so masterful, is that all these songs that you
Speaker 1: thought were about sex and sexuality are actually like just
Speaker 1: hammered with this duality where it's also about like a
Speaker 1: person struggling to find community, a person struggling to like
Speaker 1: to place their identity in a world that has rejected
Speaker 1: them from the beginning. It's it's like it creates like
Speaker 1: all these fucking layers for who the human is. But
Speaker 1: also he didn't want us to know. And I kind
Speaker 1: of respect that he figured out a way to keep
Speaker 1: that so quiet. Crazy that Minnesota is the backdrop for
Speaker 1: all this the whole time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I respect it. I do feel like the
Speaker 2: reason his estate is protecting this is not for him,
Speaker 2: not for this him, but just because it might affect
Speaker 2: the bottom line. There might be some people that are like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to play Prince music anymore, knowing certain
Speaker 2: things and that's all they care about, you, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like Prince Music was U title only that's
Speaker 2: the reason that I had titled The Minute He Died.
Speaker 2: We go into train station, it's Spotify ads for Prince
Speaker 2: all over the train stations. Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like they just some people in that camp just out
Speaker 2: to make a book.
Speaker 3: You know, it does feel it is very disheartening, Like
Speaker 3: when you go to the Minneapolis airport and there's that
Speaker 3: Prince store. Yeah, you're damn if there was some shit
Speaker 3: he would have hated it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't want this. He didn't want that at all.
Speaker 1: And the documentarian talks about it in the interview that
Speaker 1: I listened to. He talks a lot about how like
Speaker 1: even going to Paisley Park, it's not like you're being
Speaker 1: informed on who Prince is.
Speaker 2: It truly is just a big gift shop.
Speaker 1: Like it they've turned it into like a fucking, you know,
Speaker 1: rock cafe for Prince. More than it is like a
Speaker 1: real testament to like his ever changing positions on like
Speaker 1: the world, on responsibility, the nigga died at Jehovah's witness,
Speaker 1: It's not even like.
Speaker 5: One of the numbers.
Speaker 1: How many there's one hundred and sixty thousand or something
Speaker 1: like that. It's something crazy, you the proud. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're you're not even given the chance to get to
Speaker 1: know who he is based off of the estate, even
Speaker 1: regardless of like what becomes the more complicated details of
Speaker 1: his past. It won't even give you a chance to
Speaker 1: do basic knowledge on what prince who prince was, And
Speaker 1: so in that way, it is disheartening where you go. No,
Speaker 1: I think it would be really good for us as
Speaker 1: humans to know that our heroes can again be these
Speaker 1: complicated figures and still valuable. That said, I also respect
Speaker 1: that my hero really pulled a fast one on us,
Speaker 1: and I gotta say, big up, man, you did it.
Speaker 2: I can argule it with that, I do. I do
Speaker 2: you know when you put it that way, I do
Speaker 2: feel like that is ill. And yeah, I was looking
Speaker 2: forward to, like, now we're going to your stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's the you know, the better way to
Speaker 2: just yeah, chalk it up to the game.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Man, man, he.
Speaker 3: Might be the last one, because I don't think a
Speaker 3: lot of people win that hundred. I don't think that's
Speaker 3: really I don't think a lot of people win.
Speaker 2: That Daniel da lewis him. He's still alive? Yeahis he
Speaker 2: still us?
Speaker 5: We don't know.
Speaker 2: He might, he might, he might slap somebody. I don't
Speaker 2: know where he's at. He keeps it pretty private. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see he met it. Who are playing next?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Frank Ocean kind of? But
Speaker 1: he got messy friends, so we've been learning. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: about him every once in a while. Yeah, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of of the privates left.
Speaker 5: So and I hate to say this on this medium.
Speaker 5: A lot of that is because podcasting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we're for sure too much. How much of
Speaker 1: this is just gossip? Well you just come on here
Speaker 1: and gossip.
Speaker 2: Oh I thought you knew. We just got I just
Speaker 2: don't see it. I think we did it.
Speaker 1: I think it was like I think certainly, I still
Speaker 1: believe Michael Jackson got a lot more surgeries than you do.
Speaker 1: But I do I guess if I may, I do
Speaker 1: think there may be is a more complicated reasoning behind
Speaker 1: the surgeries than just self hatred the way that it's
Speaker 1: often been.
Speaker 2: Right, it's I've been painted this This man wanted to
Speaker 2: be white Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't see it
Speaker 2: like more complicated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's definitely more complicated than you may
Speaker 1: never spun like he's.
Speaker 2: I tried.
Speaker 5: I tried a lot of spinning.
Speaker 2: I gotta scar my chair, try to do the smooth
Speaker 2: criminal lean, not knowing that like, yeah, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It was shoo technology. I just thought, if
Speaker 2: you change your calves the right way, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you can get back up and then about.
Speaker 5: That man to the floor and yeah, gotta be strong though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a bunch of us that even
Speaker 1: with that technology wouldn't come closer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly not right through them special shoot Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I supposed the whole trick to the world zion hole
Speaker 2: in them.
Speaker 1: There's no way in the world, Rob, could you tell
Speaker 1: the people where they can find you?
Speaker 2: You can find me? Uh. I'm on the Inconsistent podcast
Speaker 2: of Rob Hayes comes out when it's ready. Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know it's in assistent in Brandon and in Nature.
Speaker 2: I do the end season podcast with my boy Jamel Johnson.
Speaker 2: Also watch Little keV. Yeah, also fronting out now. It's
Speaker 2: on all streaming platforms it's an album. It's also especially
Speaker 2: you can watch on YouTube. Be like watching people talk.
Speaker 2: But yeah, oh yeah, go watch Rob. Go go listen
Speaker 2: to Rob Go watch this shit what you got?
Speaker 3: April twenty fifth and twenty sixth, I'm gonna be at
Speaker 3: the Dallas Comedy Club May eight through eleventh. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be with Rob right, Oh no, in are you going
Speaker 3: to New Orleans?
Speaker 2: Maybe I won't be with Rob, but I'll be. I'll
Speaker 2: be in New Orleans May eight through eleventh.
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