Speaker 1: The volume. All right, there we go Kansas City twenty five,
Speaker 1: twenty two. It hits the under by half a point.
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout three and out, who knows
Speaker 1: the Niners very very well. You know, I already thought
Speaker 1: San Francisco outplayed Kansas City for most of the game.
Speaker 1: But then when you get to overtime, boy, there's some
Speaker 1: big advantages Mahomes, Kelsey, game experience, the kicker, Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: Let me start John by this. I thought both coaches,
Speaker 1: you know, players look nervous, Kansas City's young overcoming Mahomes,
Speaker 1: overcoming a lot of Kansas City mistakes. I thought the
Speaker 1: play calling and the play design was pretty spectacular. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just my interpretation. I thought Shanahan Andy's last drive
Speaker 1: was classic Candy. I thought, Shanahan, you're a Niners guy.
Speaker 1: I thought he had a good day. I think there's
Speaker 1: some limitations to Pretty. Obviously, Spags felt every time he
Speaker 1: had to make a stop, you put pressure on him.
Speaker 1: It's almost the opposite of what you do with Mahomes,
Speaker 1: where you never blitz with Pretty. There's a pretty clear
Speaker 1: way to defend him in big situations, go right at him.
Speaker 1: He's small doesn't have a huge arm. But your takeaway
Speaker 1: on Shanahan's afternoon because he'll get pinned with a loss.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean, I thought he had a
Speaker 1: rough stretch in a third quarter where he got a
Speaker 1: little pass happy they had the lead. I think the
Speaker 1: game early on, the Niners were out playing them, right,
Speaker 1: Their defense had to look like that in months month,
Speaker 1: and they were coming and instead of being up like
Speaker 1: when they were rolling during the season, seventeen to three
Speaker 1: or something, they're up a touchdown, they're up ten to three,
Speaker 1: and it's just you're you can't keep this guy in
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: And it obviously played out that way as it went.
Speaker 2: Spagnola and that defense is fantastic. But yeah, I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, the big question mark for me coming into
Speaker 2: the game was the forty nine Ers defense is specifically
Speaker 2: their defensive line, and they were awesome today. Yes, I would.
Speaker 1: Imagine Bolsha could have been MVP at halftime.
Speaker 2: He was incredible. He was Everyone was so tired by
Speaker 2: the end, right, and I would imagine by the time
Speaker 2: everyone wakes up in the morning. One area of controversy
Speaker 2: I know in Ninerland is going to be his decision
Speaker 2: in overtime. Now with these new rules, whether to take it,
Speaker 2: he wins the toss and he elects to take the ball. Now,
Speaker 2: during the season, the forty nine ers, whenever they win
Speaker 2: the toss, they defer. I actually was okay with it
Speaker 2: because if you kick it off and they go down
Speaker 2: and score, that is so much pressure on party. And
Speaker 2: I thought Perty on that first overtime drive was incredible,
Speaker 2: the play he made to Christian McCaffrey. The other play
Speaker 2: he made to use check. But what happened a couple
Speaker 2: big time third downs in the red zone spag Nolan
Speaker 2: in that defense, specifically Chris Jones. I mean, he was
Speaker 2: unblockable at points, and you know, Perty, they just got
Speaker 2: to him and he basically had to throw it away.
Speaker 2: And then that last drive by Andy, I mean, I
Speaker 2: I think when you look at this game, it is
Speaker 2: a legacy definer by Jordan Pippin and Phil Jackson, ak
Speaker 2: Andy Reid, Kelsey and Mahomes. Now that's a devastating loss.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times you know it's not like
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers showing up to the Super Bowls
Speaker 2: and getting their ass kicked. I mean, they're losing it
Speaker 2: devastating fashion now, I guess you tip your hat because
Speaker 2: you're losing to Mahomes and Andy. But man, that is
Speaker 2: a that's a gut check. Yeah, that's tough to shake,
Speaker 2: right now, Colin. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And here, let's let's face I.
Speaker 2: Lost a lot of money on the Niners. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie.
Speaker 1: Let's let's face it. Eli Manning beat Brady twice in
Speaker 1: these games, and Eli made the throw Mario Manningham and
Speaker 1: David Tyree. Perdy missed a touchdown in this game, Chris
Speaker 1: Jones remember that. I don't know where I had it
Speaker 1: written down. I think it was third or fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: but Perty had a big miss.
Speaker 2: Chris Jones right kind of in his face coming over
Speaker 2: and he kind of had to Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so I think there was a couple of moments
Speaker 1: in this game where you know, you didn't blitz Brady,
Speaker 1: you didn't blitz Mahomes, the great ones. You don't even
Speaker 1: screw around with that. The way to stop Purty is blitz.
Speaker 1: And that that tells you what people think of him,
Speaker 1: which is he's a little small. You could see a
Speaker 1: couple of times you get pressure on him. He's pretty average.
Speaker 2: Arm I thought he was pretty good today. Colin I did. Overall,
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought he had a good game. I
Speaker 2: mean I I was much more nervous for his performance,
Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be rocky. I thought, for the
Speaker 2: most party he was. He played a winning football game.
Speaker 2: There were some plays at the end where you know,
Speaker 2: he just gets hit, Like you said, I mean, he's
Speaker 2: not gonna break Chris Jones' tackle. But I thought for
Speaker 2: the most part he was pretty damn good. He's not
Speaker 2: Mahomes And that's been the whole argument. He's not. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's are we watching, I mean the conversation. Now, this
Speaker 2: guy's got his third Super Bowl and I mean, what
Speaker 2: a remarkable final drive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, as a as I go
Speaker 1: back and forth on this, I thought when it was
Speaker 1: zero zero after the first quarter, I thought, boy, this
Speaker 1: is not good for San Francisco. They have thrown Kansas
Speaker 1: City around the field. My second takeaway I was Bosa
Speaker 1: should be the MVP. My third takeaway in the game is,
Speaker 1: you know, Shanahan is just he's getting the ball to
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. They couldn't get it to Kittle, but he
Speaker 1: was getting it too. Christian McCaffrey a lot and then
Speaker 1: I felt like the fourth thing that I wrote down,
Speaker 1: I thought Kansas City in the third quarter, I felt
Speaker 1: like they gained some momentum. I thought San Francisco got
Speaker 1: a little pass happy. I thought they started Pacheco started
Speaker 1: to get some runs. I mean, overall, when these games
Speaker 1: come down, you know, Manning beat Brady because he made
Speaker 1: two huge throws. These games are these iconic games like this,
Speaker 1: they come down to a play. I thought the officials
Speaker 1: pretty much stayed out of it. I thought, by the way,
Speaker 1: I thought Moody was remarkable. I thought, you know, I
Speaker 1: went into the game and my take was pretty and
Speaker 1: Moody against maybe the best kicker and the best quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's a huge disadvantage. But Moody's hitting fifty three yard
Speaker 1: field goal. And I thought one of the things I
Speaker 1: thought brock Purtty did very well, and I wrote this down.
Speaker 1: I thought in the first half, I figured he you'd
Speaker 1: come back down to earth, but I thought he could
Speaker 1: be nervous. I thought in the first half he played
Speaker 1: with a ton of composure. I mean, I remember Brady
Speaker 1: super Bowls where he's sailing things and Peyton Manning super Bowls.
Speaker 1: I was kind of shocked at the composure. Now, some
Speaker 1: of it was play calling. They set him up to
Speaker 1: succeed on some stuff. But nonetheless, it's one thing to
Speaker 1: lose to Mahomes last time. But I felt in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter Kansas City was the better team. There was
Speaker 1: never really a point in this game. I felt Kansas
Speaker 1: City was superior. When that game came down to fourth
Speaker 1: and two and Mahomes scrambled, I was thinking, if they
Speaker 1: don't get it, that's a fitting end. San Francisco just
Speaker 1: felt that what may this hurt is? I think San
Speaker 1: Francisco had a great game plan, pretty played well. Moody
Speaker 1: was sensational, the defense dominated line of scrimmage. This one
Speaker 1: felt like you out played them and lost.
Speaker 2: They did all season long. When the Chiefs have won
Speaker 2: and including the playoffs, they've played it on their terms
Speaker 2: in a lower scoring game, and when the Niners have
Speaker 2: won throughout the season, when they kicked the Eagles ass,
Speaker 2: when they kicked the Cowboys ass, and last week when
Speaker 2: they came storming back on the Lions. They score a
Speaker 2: lot of points, right so, and this score was a
Speaker 2: little higher because of overtime, but it was in the
Speaker 2: teams the entire second half, right That's how Kansas City
Speaker 2: is very comfortable. I went to cocktails on Thursday night
Speaker 2: with a buddy who's been on the staff for the
Speaker 2: whole run of this Chiefs team, and he said, because
Speaker 2: of it, because of Mahomes, no one gives our defense
Speaker 2: the credit they deserve. This is by far the best
Speaker 2: group we've had, Yes, and it's all young players and
Speaker 2: their physicality and their secondary physicality. How well they tackled.
Speaker 2: What are the forty nine ers hang their hat on
Speaker 2: over this run of Shanahan breaking tackles. They take slants,
Speaker 2: they take crossing routes, They turn a seven yard game
Speaker 2: into twenty eight. They turn a twenty yard game into
Speaker 2: sixty yards. That never happened tonight because they tackle so
Speaker 2: well that physicality for the first time. And this is
Speaker 2: not going to change next year because all these guys
Speaker 2: are coming back. The Chiefs now have one of the
Speaker 2: all time greatest players in the history of the game,
Speaker 2: a coach who now has no pressure with three Super
Speaker 2: Bowls and a defense lighten people up. So their defense
Speaker 2: and the forty nine ers were playing that way too,
Speaker 2: but the Chiefs can match that. They would not have
Speaker 2: been able. They couldn't play like this a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, and now they not only can play like this,
Speaker 2: they're comfortable playing like this. So the Niners, and this
Speaker 2: is where I think they benefit from those close calls.
Speaker 2: They were comfortable in a weird game. They never you know,
Speaker 2: they like you said, Perty kept his composure, Kyle kept
Speaker 2: his composure. Kyle stayed late on an aggressive fourth down
Speaker 2: call late in the game, and I think he knows
Speaker 2: he learned last time. You can't be that way against
Speaker 2: Andy Reid. But you know that the Chiefs. Physicality in
Speaker 2: both these two teams, I think it's credit to we
Speaker 2: talk so much about teams not practicing through the season.
Speaker 2: You know, the Eagles got crushed for doing walkthroughs in December.
Speaker 2: To have that type stamina. Both these two teams playing
Speaker 2: like an extra you know, a full extra quarter, going
Speaker 2: full go in the Super Bowl. I think that's a
Speaker 2: testament to the way these teams practice. It shows by
Speaker 2: the way they play physicality. Listen, I know everyone's a
Speaker 2: sucker for touchdowns. I enjoy physical football. I enjoy an
Speaker 2: old school game. I was glued. Now, granted I was
Speaker 2: on the Niner side a lot of money, but that
Speaker 2: was that was a fantastic football game. I could live
Speaker 2: with the punts and the defense. I enjoy that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the second half in overtime were that's
Speaker 1: as good as football against in America. You were getting
Speaker 1: a crucial quarterback play, clever play calling, you know, big
Speaker 1: third and fourth down plays, you know. And one of
Speaker 1: the things I had said, you know Kansas City, I mean,
Speaker 1: you go back to Week eight as like they're a
Speaker 1: playoff team only because the Chargers in Denver aren't any good,
Speaker 1: and then my week twelve, you're like kind of figuring
Speaker 1: it out. The last four games they played are the
Speaker 1: best four games they've played all year. And I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: it's like that's kind of the magic potion with them,
Speaker 1: is that there's no reason. I mean, if you really
Speaker 1: think about it, they have kind of a weak number
Speaker 1: one receiver, they're not as good at tackle as they'd
Speaker 1: like to be. Outside of Chris Jones. It's kids, but
Speaker 1: boy do they draft, Boy do they coach, Boy do
Speaker 1: they develop? I mean, if you really look at this game,
Speaker 1: you know what I felt like for the first half,
Speaker 1: the experienced guys were beating the kids. I thought Kansas
Speaker 1: City looked a little nervous. The fumbles. You know, they
Speaker 1: just and it was like, oh boy, I mean Fred Warner,
Speaker 1: oh Bosa, Jesus Christian McCaffrey. It kind of felt like
Speaker 1: the grown ups, like one of those NBA playoff games
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, okay, here here come the old guys,
Speaker 1: the old Warriors against the young Celtics. Here come the
Speaker 1: old guys. But again, you know, Spags has done this
Speaker 1: John all year. You can't score, You can't score on
Speaker 1: this team.
Speaker 2: Late. Wasn't that a big difference in the game down
Speaker 2: the stretch? There was on that final drive Kyle had
Speaker 2: to call a time out because he didn't like the
Speaker 2: defense that was being called because a couple plays before
Speaker 2: they had all out blitz. They don't get there and
Speaker 2: they hit a huge play to Rice. You think Andy
Speaker 2: Reid is calling a timeout on anything Spags has to do.
Speaker 2: In fairness, I don't even disagree with Kyle doing it,
Speaker 2: but the difference of the cohesion of the coaching staff.
Speaker 2: Both of them are the offensive play callers, both of
Speaker 2: them are spending time with the offense. Yet one kind
Speaker 2: of had to micro manage a little bit and the
Speaker 2: other guy has full belief because Spags is gonna win
Speaker 2: more Super Bowls as a coordinator than anyone not named
Speaker 2: George Seaffert, and you should have belief in them. And
Speaker 2: his play calls are just perfect. How well that defense played.
Speaker 2: But like you said, this isn't some indictment against Kyle sucks.
Speaker 2: You know. I remember when I worked for the Eagles,
Speaker 2: Andy was kind of at that moment where he was
Speaker 2: like the back when Phil could never win a major
Speaker 2: or Charles Barkley, and you were one of the rare
Speaker 2: guys that defended him of being like, what are we
Speaker 2: talking about? Like, this guy's clearly one of the best coaches.
Speaker 2: It took him a long time, but it was pretty
Speaker 2: evident pretty early. Kyle's gonna just you get criticized when
Speaker 2: you lose these big games. It's kind of the elephant
Speaker 2: in the room now hanging over him moving forward. Can
Speaker 2: you win this big game? I listen, I who else
Speaker 2: would you rather have beside a couple guys in the
Speaker 2: league over that guy?
Speaker 1: No, I thought. I wrote it down two of my notes.
Speaker 1: I thought Kyle had a great He had a little
Speaker 1: bit of a spell, like you said in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: But I mean, let's give.
Speaker 2: I think he was taught if I was going to
Speaker 2: defend him. They were starting to play Christian a little well,
Speaker 2: and then you were getting into second and nine immediately.
Speaker 2: So it's one thing when you pop the big runs
Speaker 2: and listen, I'm a proponent of run the ball, but
Speaker 2: if it's not working, then all of a sudden you
Speaker 2: put your second year quarterback and second and nine. Their
Speaker 2: guys were jumping off sides. It was like second and
Speaker 2: twelve or third and twelve, and I think he was
Speaker 2: trying to avoid that and get some easy completions. But
Speaker 2: back to what we said about the Chiefs defense, it's
Speaker 2: hard to get completions on them, and when you do,
Speaker 2: they tackle so well. So even if you get a
Speaker 2: three yard little out route, they tackle you on the spot.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting going forward with San Francisco. Kittle got
Speaker 1: banged up. Deebo again. McCaffrey is he's I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: Walter Payton, Barry Sanders. McCaffrey, I think it's the third
Speaker 1: best running back I've ever seen. How How fast was
Speaker 1: he on the sideline on that on that play, I
Speaker 1: think it was an overtime to set up the field goal.
Speaker 2: Kind of juked him out, got to the corner, I.
Speaker 1: Mean he's he just ran past a corner, flew past him.
Speaker 1: It's interesting though, because you know they hit on Ayuk.
Speaker 1: They've got the kicker a quarterback part. He's going to
Speaker 1: be aroundial. They Trent Williams, you you are a little long.
Speaker 1: You also can't pay two linebackers big money. They've got
Speaker 1: some decisions to make. Like I think we all know
Speaker 1: Kansas is going to be backing better than next year.
Speaker 1: They just have to find a number two receiver. They're
Speaker 1: going to be fine. When you look at San Francisco,
Speaker 1: do you you know they're not paying pretty anything. Will
Speaker 1: they have to move off anybody? What do you think?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: What do they draft? Where do they have to get
Speaker 1: a corner?
Speaker 2: I think Kittle's you know, getting up there in age
Speaker 2: now makes a lot of money. You start investing in
Speaker 2: Brandon Aiyuk. It's one of those things. You know, Kittle
Speaker 2: doesn't impact the game like Kelsey now in the passing
Speaker 2: game consistently. He's important to the run game. But once
Speaker 2: you start taking fifteen sixteen, seventeen million dollar cap hit
Speaker 2: Kyle for being an offensive guy wired like Andy Reid.
Speaker 2: They like investing in the line of scrimmage. Their offensive
Speaker 2: line needs to improve. They could always He'll keep investing
Speaker 2: in the defensive line. Eric Armstead's another guy that makes
Speaker 2: a lot of money who's up there, but he's team captain.
Speaker 2: You know, these are complicated decisions, and this is where
Speaker 2: if you want to sustain success, whether you're winning Super
Speaker 2: Bowls like the Chiefs did when they traded Tyre Kill
Speaker 2: or like San Francisco, now is proven that you've got
Speaker 2: to make tough decisions. And no one was better at
Speaker 2: it than for twenty years than Belichick. Right, and the
Speaker 2: media always used to crush them. How can you trade
Speaker 2: this guy? So we don't have unlimited money in a
Speaker 2: salary cap league, So you got to make some tough decisions.
Speaker 2: And the forty nine ers are definitely gonna have. I
Speaker 2: mean Drake Greenlaw Torre's achilles running out to the field.
Speaker 2: Now he's a guy under contract, doesn't make that much money,
Speaker 2: but he's pretty important for them. And one thing that
Speaker 2: I think both teams showed and this John Lynch is
Speaker 2: really good Kyle because Kyle's plays a big role in
Speaker 2: veach obviously is a stud they have. Both teams have
Speaker 2: good depth that they're they're very, very good at developing
Speaker 2: players over the course of the season. I mean, how
Speaker 2: good was Juwan Jennings today is seventh This is a
Speaker 2: seventh round player and he's been making big plays for
Speaker 2: them for three years. So being around the Niners at
Speaker 2: practice and knowing coach read a lot of similarities that
Speaker 2: young players get better and one thing they really have
Speaker 2: on their side, which if you're going to get a
Speaker 2: legit starting quarterback making under a million dollars, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: that's the best contract in the NFL. So you still
Speaker 2: got a couple of years to work with that, and
Speaker 2: I think as long as you have that in your
Speaker 2: back pocket that that's a pitch most teams don't have.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about the other teams in the NFC.
Speaker 2: The AFC is harder, even though the Chiefs have proven
Speaker 2: like they're on phase. By Dallas at a lot of
Speaker 2: question marks with the Cowboys, right Mike McCarthy last year
Speaker 2: coaching Eagles have a ton of question marks. Hiring two
Speaker 2: coaches that have never worked with sirianni If they start slow, Kellen,
Speaker 2: a lot of weird stuff going on. Lions are pretty good,
Speaker 2: but I mean, let's that's the first big game. Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell's ever won, so they got a long way ago
Speaker 2: to they can keep doing this. The Rams are coming,
Speaker 2: but Stafford's getting long in the tooth, Aaron Donald's getting old.
Speaker 2: The NFC, to me is dramatically easier, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: the Ravens are gonna be good, Burrow's coming back, Harbaugh.
Speaker 2: Now with the Chargers, it's just you. You would imagine
Speaker 2: Miami gets better on defense. But I think the road
Speaker 2: to the playoffs and in before the Super Bowl for
Speaker 2: San Francisco is dramatically easier than it would be in
Speaker 2: the AFC based on the quarterbacks you have to go through,
Speaker 2: so that that's another thing that benefits them. And I mean,
Speaker 2: who's the beside McVeigh and Kyle, Like, what are we
Speaker 2: talking about? Right in the Sirianni? I like Dan Campbell,
Speaker 2: but no one, no gentleman jo League taking Dan Campbell
Speaker 2: over Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if to me, I think the Packers,
Speaker 1: I would pick the Packers to win the division over
Speaker 1: Detroit just because I think Jordan Love had huge growth.
Speaker 1: That team is stacked with young players.
Speaker 2: They're a team too, I forgot about them there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, coming Rams. I think if they have another good draft.
Speaker 1: They just McVeigh and Shanahan. You know, those are wars.
Speaker 1: Those are cerebral wars, academic physical wars. You know, I
Speaker 1: want to go back to so much of when the
Speaker 1: Patriots were dominating. You know this, it was Ernie Adams,
Speaker 1: Dante Scarnekia Belichick, Brady and then Josh Layers, Gronk and
Speaker 1: maybe e Vince Wilfork. You know, they had kind of
Speaker 1: interchangeable corners. You know, they moved around pass rushers. But
Speaker 1: when you start stacking up Brett Veach, Andy re Mahomes,
Speaker 1: Kelsey and Chris Jones, and that shit is I mean,
Speaker 1: there's those are a pluses. Chris Jones. His intensity on
Speaker 1: the sideline when mvs ran backwards. Yeah, I mean that
Speaker 1: guy is so locked into everything. And there's only two
Speaker 1: or three defensive linemen in my life, like like Reggie White,
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. I don't think Chris is that level, but
Speaker 1: it does feel like to me, John, in these big games,
Speaker 1: Chris is virtually unblockable. I mean, today I'm watching that
Speaker 1: game and I'm like, this is Aaron Donald against the Bengals.
Speaker 1: You have to double them, you can't single them.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know he's the Niners don't exactly have
Speaker 2: Jim Otto and Larry Allen playing guarden center for him.
Speaker 2: It's part of the problem too, So it's a huge
Speaker 2: advantage for the Chief.
Speaker 1: They only signed him John to a one year deal.
Speaker 1: I know they probably wanted to move off him. Boy,
Speaker 1: he'd be a hard move for me. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like he's the soul of that defense.
Speaker 2: I think it's very difficult. But I do think the
Speaker 2: money that some of these teams that are desperate that
Speaker 2: they're gonna throw around, and this is where this would
Speaker 2: be a third contract with them. This is the Belichickian
Speaker 2: type move. And Belichick could pull these moves off once
Speaker 2: he had one ring, two rings, now three rings. Let's
Speaker 2: face it, Andy and Veach, now with Patrick by their side,
Speaker 2: have so much equity they can kind of do whatever
Speaker 2: they want. And when they did it two years ago
Speaker 2: and they traded Tyreek Hill, it looked crazy, like you're
Speaker 2: trading this guy who's gone on to have i mean,
Speaker 2: two of the best years he's ever had in Miami,
Speaker 2: all time great player, and they've won two super Bowls since.
Speaker 2: So I'm with you, it's impossible to replace that right
Speaker 2: that they hit. They struck Oil in the second round
Speaker 2: and got a Hall of Fame player. But one thing
Speaker 2: with Belichick beside the quarterback, when it came to the big,
Speaker 2: big money, that third contract. I mean, you're talking a
Speaker 2: defensive lineman right, one hundred plus million dollars guaranteed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Kelsey's getting longer in the tooth. You're gonna have to
Speaker 2: pivot on some offense. They definitely improve offensive line. Thony's hurt.
Speaker 2: He's a highly paid guy. You never might have to
Speaker 2: move off him. So if I was a betting man
Speaker 2: right now, I think when you win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: it helps make a very tough decision. When they traded Tyreek,
Speaker 2: Andy Reid would have told everyone that he knows that
Speaker 2: I know, I'm trading a great player, but this is
Speaker 2: a financial pie that we have to build. And look
Speaker 2: at what they did. They got a first and second
Speaker 2: round pick. How good is mcduffy. I mean, is that
Speaker 2: like a Charles Woodson hybrid? How good is that guy?
Speaker 2: Gonna be so great? And this is why when you
Speaker 2: have a great GM that when you can make a
Speaker 2: tough move. I don't know if they can, I forget
Speaker 2: if they can franchise and trade him or not. But
Speaker 2: even if he goes, you get a comp pick. Veitch
Speaker 2: has proven Karlovskis, I mean all over the place in
Speaker 2: that draft two years ago when they traded Hill their
Speaker 2: first two picks in the first round, their pick and
Speaker 2: the Tyreek Hill pick, McDuffie and Karlovskis, and those guys
Speaker 2: were all over the play. I mean, McDuffie has a
Speaker 2: chance to be one of the better dbs in the
Speaker 2: league because he can cover, he can blitz, he's physical,
Speaker 2: and these guys, they get to the point once you're
Speaker 2: really in your prime with your quarterback. And Bill was
Speaker 2: like this for a long time. Is Andy now knows
Speaker 2: every player in the league, right, He's literally evaluated every
Speaker 2: guy in the league. And then he gets a GM
Speaker 2: and a personnel guy. And that's the one thing Bill.
Speaker 2: Once Pioli left, he had Casario for a while. Beach
Speaker 2: isn't going anywhere. So they're such a lockstep on exactly
Speaker 2: what they're looking for. Mahomes is in the boat with
Speaker 2: them a lot like Brady, right, but it's their relationships
Speaker 2: even better because like Andy would go to dinner with
Speaker 2: Mahomes where Bill would not. With their relationship is much
Speaker 2: more in a friendly manner professionally and personally that I
Speaker 2: think you can make tough decisions. And let's face it,
Speaker 2: you win this third Super Bowl, what can Andy do
Speaker 2: beside getting rid of mahomes that anyone's gonna question.
Speaker 1: Well, And also I think Chris Jones can say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I got another ring. I'm gonna go get paid.
Speaker 2: I got three.
Speaker 1: I'm going to Jacksonville, Tampa. No state tax at.
Speaker 2: Them, one hundred and twenty million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I never once a guy gets rings in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I get it, especially when you're playing one
Speaker 1: of these life altering positions like D line or O
Speaker 1: line where it takes years off your life. I mean,
Speaker 1: you come out it with six shoulder surgeries, your hands
Speaker 1: are mangled. Just go get your money, like take care
Speaker 1: of your family, your mom and your dad, that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I think, you know, there'll be so
Speaker 1: many different headlines in this game. Usher didn't do a
Speaker 1: thing for me. I felt it was like late. It
Speaker 1: was like twenty.
Speaker 2: Eight that was my childhood. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I was like pre game show commercials. Usher second half unbelievable.
Speaker 1: The you know, one of the bigger headlines, and I
Speaker 1: think I thought, I guess my take on Pretty is this.
Speaker 1: I thought he was really composed in the first half,
Speaker 1: like over, I thought he was kind of blew me away.
Speaker 1: I did think that there is a way. You know,
Speaker 1: people say there's a way that defend Lamar put pressure
Speaker 1: on him. Well, there's a way to defend Purtty. It's
Speaker 1: pretty obvious now. Spags is great, So it's not like
Speaker 1: Pretty struggled against you know, this is a great defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and say this.
Speaker 2: I think can over almost it at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think this defense by Kansas City
Speaker 1: is fast and twitchy, and I think people will now acknowledge,
Speaker 1: holy shit, it's really good. But Baltimore kind of ate
Speaker 1: Pretty up a little bit. I think Pretty played too
Speaker 1: well in this game for him to get a lot
Speaker 1: of heat. But to talk tomorrow will be well, you know,
Speaker 1: you settle for a field goal, Mahomes gets a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Do you think Pretty you'll get any heat at all?
Speaker 2: No. I think it's more on Kyle. I you know,
Speaker 2: you're making nine hundred grand. I mean, Kyle's making fifteen million.
Speaker 2: He's the star of the show. One thing, if I
Speaker 2: wanted to criticize Kyle the play caller, and I think
Speaker 2: you see it with Andy went. Part of the thing
Speaker 2: with Kyle is his offense is his offense. Where Andy
Speaker 2: is adapt over the years a million. He plays one
Speaker 2: way with Alex, he plays another way with Mahomes. He
Speaker 2: used to pass probably too much. Now he has no
Speaker 2: problem running the ball. He's got that Belichick mindset of
Speaker 2: like I'll do whatever it takes. Where Kyle's offense is
Speaker 2: his offense. And one thing they do not do beside
Speaker 2: the play action rollout is just like a rollout. Snap
Speaker 2: the ball to him and get Purty on the move.
Speaker 2: One of Purdy's defining characteristics which no one really knew
Speaker 2: when he first started playing, which is evident now is
Speaker 2: his mobility's pretty good. Yeah, and Kyle doesn't ever get
Speaker 2: him on the move. What happens multiple times. There was
Speaker 2: a play early in the game, a throwback to Kittle
Speaker 2: that was negated for the penalty. Get him moving. He's
Speaker 2: an instinctive player, but that's not Kyle's offense because he
Speaker 2: doesn't have Kyle does not have a drop back passing offense.
Speaker 2: It's all tied to the run. Yes, and even when
Speaker 2: he gets pass happy. It's still run fakes to the
Speaker 2: pass or a quick screen fake. That's part of Kyle's deal,
Speaker 2: And I wonder if he just adapts a little bit
Speaker 2: moving forward next year with Purdy, because their team's still
Speaker 2: going to be really good. They're probably be the betting
Speaker 2: favorite after the draft to win the NFC. But I do.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Andy only got there once with
Speaker 2: Philly and he lost it. He lost a lot of
Speaker 2: the championship games, and then next time he got back
Speaker 2: with Mahomes, he won it, and the rest is history.
Speaker 2: Now he's winning it. Kyle's been there twice now and
Speaker 2: lost in this one the longest overtime in league history,
Speaker 2: I would imagine.
Speaker 1: And in both games out played Mahomes for at least
Speaker 1: three quarters.
Speaker 2: I was playing winning football. It's one thing if you
Speaker 2: get it's one thing if you're the Denver Broncos playing
Speaker 2: that Seattle team, get your ass kicked. What are you
Speaker 2: gonna do? You know, It's just like, damn, we were
Speaker 2: not you have these type games. I don't know how
Speaker 2: he sleeps for a week, because he's been around this
Speaker 2: long enough to know how hard it is to get back. Listen,
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna stay maintained being pretty good. But
Speaker 2: how many opportunities do you get where your team comes
Speaker 2: out Ready, they had just looked pretty shitty the last
Speaker 2: couple of playoff games, out playing them even in overtime.
Speaker 2: You drive first and score if you could just somehow
Speaker 2: get a stop, maybe get him to miss a long
Speaker 2: field goal. And what happened. Mahomes makes a couple of plays,
Speaker 2: Andy makes a couple of great play calls. All of
Speaker 2: a sudden, they get a wide open town. It just ends.
Speaker 2: And I think one of the question marks I would
Speaker 2: imagine in the Bay Area that where Kyle had to
Speaker 2: call the time out with Wilkes. This is the thing,
Speaker 2: and we'd been talking about it for a while with
Speaker 2: Spags and Andy. He doesn't have to worry about Spags
Speaker 2: getting a job. He's going nowhere, so he has full
Speaker 2: trust and a great coordinator. Where Kyle lost back to
Speaker 2: back coordinators who he knew he felt comfortable with, and
Speaker 2: now he had to go outside and clearly like welks
Speaker 2: of solid like he was good tonight. But this is
Speaker 2: not exactly the twenty nineteen in Kansas City. You know,
Speaker 2: does Kyle think he's great? No? But you know, you're
Speaker 2: kind of in no man's land with this guy's a
Speaker 2: defensive coard. He's not some great defensive coordinator. If they
Speaker 2: were all available, he's not a top ten pick in
Speaker 2: the league. So that, to me is one question mark
Speaker 2: with the forty nine ers moving forward is how much
Speaker 2: trust Kyle has in his defensive court. And there was
Speaker 2: a point this year where they lost three straight games.
Speaker 2: Thought he was gonna get fired. Yeah, but they didn't
Speaker 2: really have anyone else on the staff. And then when
Speaker 2: you have to, how often does an offensive coach who's
Speaker 2: the head coach call a time out because he doesn't
Speaker 2: like to look on defense after he gave up a blitz.
Speaker 2: It's very very rare. And even Romo's like, he probably
Speaker 2: did the right thing, but it's not. Andy doesn't even
Speaker 2: have to do that. And I think, I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe they just they would have ran out of gas,
Speaker 2: even if you know Bill Belichick was their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Romo brought up a good point in
Speaker 1: the second half.
Speaker 2: I thought they were good tonight. I know they take
Speaker 2: a lot of shit, but I thought they were fine.
Speaker 1: You know, I had said this about Andy Reid. If
Speaker 1: I look at Bill Belichick's career, it is overwhelmingly tied
Speaker 1: to one player. I mean, they were bad in New
Speaker 1: England before Brady, they were bad after him, weren't very
Speaker 1: good in Cleveland. I you know, I'll say this, we
Speaker 1: don't consider Bill Russell with eleven rings better than Jordan
Speaker 1: was six. I think Mahomes is the best quarterback I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. I think Andy Reid is the best coach
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. He's not tied. Donovan McNabb was a
Speaker 1: B minus quarterback. He was always inaccurate. He was an
Speaker 1: athlete not ideal size. You know, he's always a short
Speaker 1: hop stuff. He was kind of like he was a
Speaker 1: good quarterback.
Speaker 2: He was out of shape in the Super Bowl Colin.
Speaker 2: I mean he was just throwing up in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean I just feel like Andy, who always gave
Speaker 1: Belichick problems even with second tier quarterbacks. I think Andy's
Speaker 1: a better coach than Belichick. First of all, when that
Speaker 1: when you go to overtime, we're all just I mean
Speaker 1: Romo and Nance were like, oh, this is Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: this is this is this is almost unfair. I mean,
Speaker 1: Andy hide stuff so much in New England's success was
Speaker 1: tied to an offensive line coach. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: go look when Scott Poldie leaves in the last eight
Speaker 1: or nine drafts, when Bill controlled them, he didn't draft well.
Speaker 1: He's toned. He's allergic to offense. Once he lost offensive people,
Speaker 1: Bill really regressed badly. I think you look at Andy
Speaker 1: Reid's coaching tree, his ability to adapt win with multiple quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: multiple coordinators. I think Andy's the best football coach since
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh. That's my take. You know, again, Bill Russell
Speaker 1: had some advantages. You know, it was read our bocket
Speaker 1: were fewer teams and Bill. I'm not in no way
Speaker 1: saying Bill. I mean, listen, he helps find Dante Skarneki,
Speaker 1: he you know, helped he drafted Brady I think. But
Speaker 1: I think Andy Reid. I mean, we think shanahaned is elite.
Speaker 1: We both do top three or four coach in the year.
Speaker 1: That game comes down to that last drive. I mean
Speaker 1: you have to acknowledge that. And he's doing stuff. They're
Speaker 1: hiding stuff they haven't used. I don't know when I watched.
Speaker 1: When I watch Andy Reid's teams in big games, I
Speaker 1: mean he's the best coach up a bye of all time.
Speaker 1: He's now very close to being the best big game
Speaker 1: coach ever. They win more close games, more games they've
Speaker 1: trailed in the half. I'm not in any way discounting
Speaker 1: Mahomes's ability, but shit, that last drive in overtime, it
Speaker 1: is so clever. I mean, how many third and twos
Speaker 1: and fourth and two did they run a play? And
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, haven't seen that one this year? I
Speaker 1: don't know where do we classify Andy Reid?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think he's definitely You know, Walsh
Speaker 2: is gonna go down as probably the most famous coach
Speaker 2: of all time, right there with Lombardi. Right when you
Speaker 2: close your eyes, you say the NFL, you'd go Walsh, Lombardi,
Speaker 2: and you said Belichick two. You know, Walsh won three
Speaker 2: Super Bowls. People forget Seaford one two, right, So Andy
Speaker 2: now has three. One thing that's not debatable with him
Speaker 2: and Bill because I do think Bill has taken some
Speaker 2: unfair criticism, Like we watched him make incredible moves in
Speaker 2: the biggest games, from double passes to not calling the
Speaker 2: time out against Pete Carroll to embarrassing Sean McVay, who,
Speaker 2: granted was like thirty four at the time, but still
Speaker 2: they scored three points in the Super Bowl when their
Speaker 2: teams are not Super Bowl contenders, right, And Andy's proven it
Speaker 2: with he was making the playoffs with Jeff Garcia. He
Speaker 2: had Alex Smith competing to win that division when Peyton
Speaker 2: Manning was in it. You remove Tom Brady, the team
Speaker 2: is horrendous, awful. And I would say if you just
Speaker 2: factor in the errors eras and you've talked about this,
Speaker 2: Belichick in an era where defense is physical is cream
Speaker 2: of the cromp right. He was developing defensive game plans
Speaker 2: for Parcels to take out Walsh in Montana. Early on
Speaker 2: in Brady, he had those physical teams taking out Marshall
Speaker 2: Falk in the Super Bowl. Some of the great game plans.
Speaker 2: But that league no longer exists. The league we're in
Speaker 2: now is Kyle Shannan, Sean McVay, Andy Reid, offensive league, innovative.
Speaker 2: How to get first downs is just, if not more
Speaker 2: important than defense. And Andy's the best. It's not even close.
Speaker 2: And I think anyone that knows him, and I knew
Speaker 2: him before he had a Super Bowl, he's just an
Speaker 2: incredible human being. You know, that's one thing people defend
Speaker 2: Belichick that have been around him because they had a
Speaker 2: lot of success around him. People defend Andy that have
Speaker 2: been around him before he won it because they liked them,
Speaker 2: because the way he treated people, the way he acted
Speaker 2: in the office, the way he was to coaches. Look
Speaker 2: at his coaching tree, Like if you factor that in
Speaker 2: one thing, Bill Walsh got a lot of credit for
Speaker 2: right was one Super Bowls always pivot off players and
Speaker 2: found guys like I don't know, Mike Holmgren, George Seffert
Speaker 2: who then led it. They had this, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of opening with what came with coaches that became ran
Speaker 2: the league. Bill Bill was the opposite. Right, look at
Speaker 2: Andy's coaching tree. It's freaking incredible, and those guys swear
Speaker 2: by him. Ya.
Speaker 1: Matt Naggi is considered a miss in a time when
Speaker 1: Stafford Rogers and Kirk Cousins were in their prime. He
Speaker 1: got He got Miss Trubisky to the playoffs twice.
Speaker 2: Miss is one of the I think mister Whisky was
Speaker 2: like the worst contract in the league. He made eight
Speaker 2: million dollars and he's not even He's barely a third
Speaker 2: string quarterback. Matt Naggie's gonna be head coach in the
Speaker 2: NFL again, promise you he will be. You know who
Speaker 2: likes him the most on the staff beside Andy Reid,
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes Like, I'm sorry, I'm giving that guy some
Speaker 2: credit of understanding what's what can coach or not? Nobody
Speaker 2: Bill Walsh would have struggled with mister Whisky. How many
Speaker 2: games would Elichick of one? Mister Bisky? The guy, The
Speaker 2: guy can't hit water if he's sitting on a boat
Speaker 2: in the middle of the ocean. So I listen. I
Speaker 2: think Andy Reid. The scary part is Colin. He's just
Speaker 2: not done, like all this retirement talk. Andy's not a fisher.
Speaker 1: And also, to your point, they'll move off Chris Jones.
Speaker 1: They've got They've done a good job drafting Carl Loftis
Speaker 1: and some other players. They got some pass rush, so
Speaker 1: they'll move off Chris. They'll probably try to get Kelsey
Speaker 1: to sign another deal. But I mean they're not I mean,
Speaker 1: they're the smart teams in this league, I think are
Speaker 1: they'll pay. They'll pay a front five guy, Aaron Donald Rams,
Speaker 1: they'll pay him, Chris Jones. But the smart teams in
Speaker 1: this league is what drives me crazy about Pittsburgh. He
Speaker 1: can't be spending your money on defense. Outside of a T. J. Watt,
Speaker 1: He's got to go draft safeties and corners, and most
Speaker 1: of these guys, if you look at them Kansas City,
Speaker 1: they're not drafting a corner. Occasionally, if it's a big need,
Speaker 1: they'll go early, but a lot of them are fourth, fifth,
Speaker 1: and sixth round draft picks. Same with running backs. So
Speaker 1: I just think I look at Andy and I think
Speaker 1: to myself that New England started to show signs of regression.
Speaker 1: Even after the Atlanta Super Bowl. It was very obvious
Speaker 1: they could not draft a receiver or a tight end
Speaker 1: after Gronk. You started seeing that at the end. Remember
Speaker 1: Brady on the bench screaming, get open. I don't know
Speaker 1: where Kansas City's organization has a whole draft develop communication,
Speaker 1: quarterback defense bags. I always felt you could really see
Speaker 1: the more power Bill got, the worse the drafting. God,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even an argument. I mean, like Beach's hit
Speaker 1: like he's like Brad Holmes in Detroit. You go to
Speaker 1: last three years, like six.
Speaker 2: Hits in the light rounds too. It's not even just
Speaker 2: the first rounds. He's get bit. Jacob's a seventh rounder.
Speaker 2: Watson the dB. I think it was a seventh rounder.
Speaker 2: So they're getting players all over the draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't really have I mean, they really don't.
Speaker 1: They they've got the they've got the ability to move
Speaker 1: off really popular talented guys, which you know a lot
Speaker 1: of organizations don't. They can't. They just can't move off them,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, if I I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: my next year's Super Bowl bubble, I thought this would Honestly,
Speaker 1: I thought this was the year to get Kansas City.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think last year was too, and they've won two.
Speaker 2: I mean I was thinking, I've been watching I'm almost
Speaker 2: forty years old, so I remember watching sports for thirty years. Right.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys in the mid nineties had a great run.
Speaker 2: The Yankees obviously, the Bulls, the Patriots had a couple iterations.
Speaker 2: This five year stretched by the Chiefs three Super Bowls,
Speaker 2: been to another and lost it, been to six straight
Speaker 2: AFC Championship games. It's as good of a run some
Speaker 2: of the Warriors. And the difference to the Warriors, I mean,
Speaker 2: they got Kevin Durant, so of course they weren't going
Speaker 2: to lose some of those Yankee teams, they had unlimited money,
Speaker 2: they were buying players. The way they've done it, this
Speaker 2: is a lot very similar to the Patriots. They made
Speaker 2: some tough decisions. It was coaching development led by star quarterback,
Speaker 2: led by intel, diligence, led by character. The other thing
Speaker 2: at with my guy on the Chiefs. And this is
Speaker 2: where I think the two teams have a lot in common,
Speaker 2: the character on these teams. How hard these guys work,
Speaker 2: how into football they are, how much they care about football,
Speaker 2: how serious they take this Like this is not some
Speaker 2: scool Around half the teams in the league. I mean,
Speaker 2: some of their best players are not dependable guys on
Speaker 2: a seven day week basis. That is not the case
Speaker 2: with the Kansas Chiefs. It's not the case of the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. It's why these teams are kind of
Speaker 2: consistently winning, right And obviously the Chiefs have that added
Speaker 2: element with Mahomes, which is kind of their trump card
Speaker 2: right now. But the football character that was on display
Speaker 2: in this game was something I would imagine every GM
Speaker 2: when they go in a couple weeks, the combine is
Speaker 2: going to go. You start interviewing these guys because it
Speaker 2: is easy. It's like, well, look at how many plays
Speaker 2: this guy can make well, he's got about seven red
Speaker 2: flags is offensive coordinator. College wasn't a big fan and
Speaker 2: they don't overlook that stuff or they make sure that
Speaker 2: like that's a non negotiable because you get in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter in overtime, your twenty first game of the season,
Speaker 2: If you're not locked in, if you're not into it,
Speaker 2: if you haven't been training all year long, you have
Speaker 2: no shot, you have no shot. And that's the one
Speaker 2: thing Andy, you know, who's always been he had a
Speaker 2: little Ale Davis to him at moments in his career
Speaker 2: that they are not screwing around in Kansas City with
Speaker 2: guys that just are like that. I mean, they do
Speaker 2: not have a guy on the team who's some huge
Speaker 2: red flag. And the other thing is they get guys
Speaker 2: from culture. Look at MBS is a good example. Come
Speaker 2: from the Packers and played in a lot of big games. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he had some drops. Now granted they didn't have a
Speaker 2: lot of other options, and they said, Tony, they took
Speaker 2: a flyer on that right a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: because they were pretty desperate. Where's Tony now nowhere to
Speaker 2: be seen? Like, oh, we're just done. You're saying all
Speaker 2: this moronic stuff. You're dropping. See you, You're not even
Speaker 2: We're not even giving you a helmet anymore. Right, And
Speaker 2: they just put a lot of teams would struggle because
Speaker 2: they need that speed. He's definitely one of the more
Speaker 2: talented players. You talk to them, they say, you should
Speaker 2: see this guy in practice. I can't trust them and
Speaker 2: in a game like to listen because you're gonna have
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey at a fumble today, right, You're you're gonna
Speaker 2: have great players, are gonna screw up. But can I
Speaker 2: trust you in the biggest moments. I thought today, for
Speaker 2: the most part, why I like this game so much.
Speaker 2: All the best players were making plays, Guys that had
Speaker 2: developed over the years were making plays. And both coaches,
Speaker 2: both coaching staffs, beside a couple of little things by
Speaker 2: the Niners, were pretty excellent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the things I feel
Speaker 1: bad because I have a friend You're obviously you have
Speaker 1: connections to the Niners. I have a couple of friends
Speaker 1: that are big Niner fans, and this one hurts.
Speaker 2: This one hurts.
Speaker 1: I know it does, because you out played it. You
Speaker 1: were the better team for most of the game. I
Speaker 1: thought you got Mahomes. You know you got tigered when
Speaker 1: he went through that ten year you know, you know he.
Speaker 2: Just did it. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? He's hitting irons out of
Speaker 1: the rough to eighty. You know, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: So I kind of look at the thing that can't
Speaker 1: be overlooked. I thought Fred Warner was spectacular. I thought
Speaker 1: Boso was spectacular. I thought my cat Free was spectacular.
Speaker 1: I know it's really painful, but I thought Moody. I
Speaker 1: mean it's I know what you just say, it's a game.
Speaker 1: But when you draft him as high as you do,
Speaker 1: you know, some real place, you get two fifty plus
Speaker 1: yard field goals. I mean, going into the off season,
Speaker 1: John Lynch is validated.
Speaker 2: Feel very good about it, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think the way Purty played, the way
Speaker 1: Moody kicked, you gotta feel good. I mean, God, it's
Speaker 1: just I'm not sure if I've ever felt worse for
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl losing team.
Speaker 2: Why. Romo mentioned this on the broadcast that when they
Speaker 2: were talking to Fred Fritz, I'm not just the heart
Speaker 2: and soul of the defense. I'm the heart and soul
Speaker 2: of the team. Like I understand that that's my role.
Speaker 2: It's pretty telling when they went to overtime. You know,
Speaker 2: when the game starts, they send seventeen players each out
Speaker 2: there for the coin flip, right, eight Chiefs, eight nine Ers.
Speaker 2: In overtime, one of the great quarterbacks of all time
Speaker 2: goes out there, and the forty nine Ers send their linebacker, right,
Speaker 2: And that's ideally you would send your quarterback as well. Right,
Speaker 2: this is Peyton versus Brady or Rogers was Brady. But
Speaker 2: I mean the Niners aren't gonna send Purty out there,
Speaker 2: so and and that kind of you know, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, like you would, you always want
Speaker 2: to be the team. Like I don't blame the nine
Speaker 2: Ers sending Fred Warner. He's on a Hall of Fame trajectory.
Speaker 2: He's an all time great player, is one of the
Speaker 2: great players in the history of the franchise. But like, ideally,
Speaker 2: in that moment, the heart and soul of your team,
Speaker 2: the heart and soul of the Patriots for you know,
Speaker 2: twenty plus years, was Tom Brady the heart and soul
Speaker 2: of every Peyton manning team, the warrior. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: just you send your your lineback. He can only do
Speaker 2: so much, and he was. He made play after play,
Speaker 2: He's covered Kelsey one on one in the corner of
Speaker 2: the end zone with a game online. But that was
Speaker 2: and I don't expect them to send brock Purty, but
Speaker 2: that was a moment like this is we're sending one guy.
Speaker 2: This guy's carrying our franchise. You don't even I beant.
Speaker 2: Kyle didn't even hesitate Fred go right. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just you just know, right, you would send Michael Jordan,
Speaker 2: you would send Steph Curry, you would send Derek Jeter,
Speaker 2: and the forty nine ers sent a middle linebacker, just
Speaker 2: like the Ravens over the ar they would send Ray Lewis. Ideally,
Speaker 2: you send your quarterback. And that was the difference in
Speaker 2: the game. Is Mahomes I mean on that fourth down
Speaker 2: when he kept it and Bosam went on the run
Speaker 2: and he ran, It's like he doesn't get the credit
Speaker 2: for being this mobile guy. And then when he runs,
Speaker 2: you're like, well, he may not be as fast as
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, but he's not that much slower. You know,
Speaker 2: he makes runs when you cause he doesn't play that
Speaker 2: way that often, and he never you know, with Lamar's
Speaker 2: running by guys Josh's run over guys. He doesn't want
Speaker 2: to do that. He wants to throw, but when he
Speaker 2: has to, you go, oh, yeah, that's the athlete of
Speaker 2: a former Big leaguer, Like you see, he's an elite
Speaker 2: human athlete, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You don't usually have a spy on Mahomes, but I
Speaker 1: almost think going I watched this game today and I thought,
Speaker 1: you almost now have to have a spy on fourth
Speaker 1: down on Mahomes, Like that's just how you have to
Speaker 1: defend him. Just too often he takes it over. And
Speaker 1: I thought, where I thought Shanahan and Andy Reid are
Speaker 1: really good is one of the things that will dry.
Speaker 1: And I try not to beat up on coaches for
Speaker 1: play calling. I don't know who's healthy, I don't know
Speaker 1: who's hurt. I don't know what the film says. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, shit happens the middle of a game and
Speaker 1: you just can't use somebody.
Speaker 2: What if your best play is against their best player,
Speaker 2: you know you don't feel great about it.
Speaker 1: I thought both coaches in the biggest moments, McCaffrey, Debo, Kelsey, Mahomes, Pacheco,
Speaker 1: the coaching on display every time there was a big play,
Speaker 1: like Tony Romo said it. You think they're not going
Speaker 1: to give it to Mahomes. You weren't going to hand
Speaker 1: this to a seventh round running back, and we in
Speaker 1: Isaiah Pacheco was really good. But I you know, I
Speaker 1: just I look at my notes and I sit down
Speaker 1: here and I think, and I think, my heart breaks
Speaker 1: for San Francisco they played. So I have these notes.
Speaker 1: Warner Bosa, Jesus, what a half Bosa first half? MVP.
Speaker 1: You know, it was ten three at half and Kansas
Speaker 1: City only had one good drive in the first half.
Speaker 1: It was the last drive and they settled for a
Speaker 1: field goal. That not that I didn't because I always
Speaker 1: think they make adjustments, but I did think after they
Speaker 1: drove down the field and they got a field goal,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, they're only down ten to three.
Speaker 1: They got to move the ball on that first drive,
Speaker 1: like they got to get field goal position back. I
Speaker 1: thought a big part of this game. I thought Kansas
Speaker 1: City felt like they were pinned.
Speaker 2: I thought two huge plays in the game because the
Speaker 2: first series of the game, the forty nine ers drove
Speaker 2: the ball right down their throat and you're like, they're
Speaker 2: gonna score a touchdown, and then McCaffrey, who feels like
Speaker 2: never has anything wrong happened, become fumble and then the
Speaker 2: Niners kind of thoroughly out playing him throughout the game.
Speaker 2: And then the punt bounces off the dude's foot and
Speaker 2: Ray Ray has to try to dive on it, and
Speaker 2: it just and there was another fumble by a Chief
Speaker 2: that went right into a Chief. And there were a
Speaker 2: couple of little breaks that could have opened the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers and kind of gave them some breathing room
Speaker 2: that they definitely would have needed against my Mahmes that
Speaker 2: just didn't happen and went the other way. And the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: I mean, have clearly proven that if you give them
Speaker 2: life and you do not separate, because fourteen points, if
Speaker 2: you would have got up a couple scores against the
Speaker 2: Chiefs with the way the Niners defense was playing, they
Speaker 2: would have been in good shape. But they could never
Speaker 2: extend that lead. And they had a couple of moments
Speaker 2: where it's like, if you just make this an eleven
Speaker 2: point game a fourteen point game, the Chiefs offense is
Speaker 2: not good that they are just a remarkable play caller
Speaker 2: and a great quarterback, and Kelsey can make a play here.
Speaker 2: They're there, but it's not like Kelsey had ten for
Speaker 2: Buck fifty today and they couldn't do it in one
Speaker 2: area all season long. When the Niners will win a
Speaker 2: lot of their big games, they scored a lot of touchdowns,
Speaker 2: and I think it gets back to that inability to
Speaker 2: break tackles, the inability for big plays. I mean, they're
Speaker 2: pretty dependent on Juwan Jennings. Think about that, Like, it's
Speaker 2: not like Deebo was going nuts. Kittle was borderline non existent.
Speaker 2: Beside he had one big catch I think on the
Speaker 2: fourth down. But they were very, very dependent on their
Speaker 2: third wide receiver, which to me, I'm not Belichick when
Speaker 2: it comes x his nose, but that has to speak
Speaker 2: to Spagnola taking away their main guys, you know, getting
Speaker 2: up there in Deebo. Deebo is not exactly Marvin Harrison
Speaker 2: as a route runner, I you kiss, but they're so
Speaker 2: physical at the line with their corners that it's hard.
Speaker 2: And then Chris Jones getting some much pressure and he'll blitz.
Speaker 2: Purty doesn't have that long to get him the ball
Speaker 2: in those deeper breaking routes. So they kind of got
Speaker 2: to want I mean, think for the forty nine er
Speaker 2: score one of their touchdowns they had to do. I mean,
Speaker 2: Kyle Sanna is not exactly a trick play guy had
Speaker 2: to do like a triple pass. Yeah, back to McCaffrey.
Speaker 2: So that kind of shows that. Like you said, I
Speaker 2: don't think this Chiefs defense because of the play caller
Speaker 2: and the head coach. Some of those great Bill Walsh
Speaker 2: teams were all time great defenses, but no one talks
Speaker 2: about him like that because you get overshadowed. Last night
Speaker 2: I checked Chicago Bulls like one of the great defensive
Speaker 2: teams of all time. But all we talk about is
Speaker 2: the offense this Chiefs team, and I would imagine Andy
Speaker 2: and Veitch. Andy doesn't drink, but you know when they're
Speaker 2: eating a cheeseburger and hanging out, they know how special
Speaker 2: that unit was because they were They were dominant this
Speaker 2: last month. I mean dominant, dominant.
Speaker 1: I mean and the linebackers again, you just don't know
Speaker 1: who they are, but they're there. I would I think
Speaker 1: they have the best corners in the league. I think
Speaker 1: they have the best young linebackers in the league. They
Speaker 1: don't have a Fred Warner Rokwan Smith.
Speaker 2: I just the ather d Lineman play hard that you've
Speaker 2: never heard.
Speaker 1: Of, never heard of.
Speaker 2: So it is.
Speaker 1: God, I love this game. It is you know I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this, is that streaming Netflix takes over retail,
Speaker 1: Amazon takes over theme parks, Disney takes over all those
Speaker 1: things were up for grabs at some point in the process, right,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter if it's banking or it's football.
Speaker 1: Is if you look at Brady Belichick, Mahomes and Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: is it's Tiger in his like twelve year run. Micholson's
Speaker 1: got six more majors without Tiger. And before people say
Speaker 1: well Lamar, Lamar can't do this, or you know, Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan can't do this, we are looking Brady and Mahomes
Speaker 1: have just put a lot of people on the shelf.
Speaker 1: Think about this, What did Big Ben his last eight
Speaker 1: ten years? Like he just disappeared into the ether and
Speaker 1: he had great defenses and great receivers Levy and Bell
Speaker 1: is I feel bad for the sport because you know,
Speaker 1: like I watch Brady win so many close games over
Speaker 1: more talented Ravens teams or a more talented Bronco Temera,
Speaker 1: and well, I just I look at this Kansas City team.
Speaker 1: It's almost discouraging because everybody around the team's going, well, shit,
Speaker 1: they don't even have a number one receiver. I mean,
Speaker 1: Rice really to me feels like a great two, but
Speaker 1: can be a one. I mean, if I said to you,
Speaker 1: like I liked what Baltimore did this year, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 1: I look at football right now, it would not shock
Speaker 1: me if both of these teams are back big squishes average.
Speaker 2: You know, the thing I've always admired about Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: about Tiger in his prime, about great people in business,
Speaker 2: is no matter how much money, no matter how much
Speaker 2: they success, they have the ability to maintain the discipline
Speaker 2: of what got you there because the wind always blows
Speaker 2: the strongest of the top of the mountain, right. And
Speaker 2: that's what Tiger and I would say Brady defined over
Speaker 2: their careers is their work ethic. After unlimited money, unlimited success,
Speaker 2: unlimited fame, everyone that were ever around him was like that.
Speaker 2: They never it was insane how hard they worked. And
Speaker 2: that gets back to Mahomes like I have seen it
Speaker 2: with Andy. He's the hardest working guy I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: He's like a machine. But it doesn't matter how a
Speaker 2: lot of coaches work hard. You have to have it
Speaker 2: in your players. And I think one thing when you
Speaker 2: have Patrick Mahomes, who's wired pretty clearly now, like he'd
Speaker 2: already won a couple, and the way he turned it
Speaker 2: on this season after kind of going through the mud
Speaker 2: against the Raiders on that Christmas Day game, I think
Speaker 2: was pretty definitive. This is the most incredible stretch of
Speaker 2: his career, right, this is the defining moment of We've
Speaker 2: seen all the crazy throws, we've seen the no look passes,
Speaker 2: we've seen the fifty yard bombs. We know he's a champion,
Speaker 2: but when you win it like this, when everyone's gunning
Speaker 2: for you and for the first time, like a lot
Speaker 2: of obviously a lot of the money was on the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: right I mean, the books took him bath today the
Speaker 2: last two games. A lot of people rightfully so. And
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the Chiefs, I was told, did they
Speaker 2: thought that that Baltimore defense is the best unit that
Speaker 2: they had faced over this run top to bottom, just
Speaker 2: that defense? Right? So them getting past that group, it
Speaker 2: was like, obviously they knew the Niners were really good.
Speaker 2: I mean they expected that technically were the underdog in
Speaker 2: this game, but that ability to be unphazed after winning
Speaker 2: a championship and to maintain that level of wark ethic
Speaker 2: is how like Michael Jordan just wanted more, Tiger wanted.
Speaker 2: A lot of guys don't. A lot of guys like, eah, cool,
Speaker 2: I've wanted. I'm super rich. Like shit, I'll just go
Speaker 2: kick it.
Speaker 1: You know, John, I was told this year's ago, how
Speaker 1: do you handle success? Everybody handles losing the same way.
Speaker 1: They're pissed and they work harder. How do you handle success?
Speaker 1: A lot of guys don't handle it well. A lot
Speaker 1: of people, like in society is stockbroker has a good year,
Speaker 1: he blows the money. He look up two years he's
Speaker 1: it's not putting the effort in. So to me, you've
Speaker 1: had success, look at you. You work hard. It drives you.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people in my business. In football,
Speaker 1: they have some brief success and they cash out. They
Speaker 1: get their Bentley, they get their second home. You know,
Speaker 1: they got twenty eight million in the bank. Your football player,
Speaker 1: take care of your mom whatever. Really a defining the
Speaker 1: two defining characteristics of most great anything, Tiger MJ is
Speaker 1: a resiliency. You know, I tell my kids all the time,
Speaker 1: go watch that Michael Jordan ten part documentary Best Looking Player,
Speaker 1: best Player, best coach, but best number two. Robin it
Speaker 1: was hard he's battling is GM his owner Dennis Rodman.
Speaker 1: It's hard. He was getting tackled by the Pistons and
Speaker 1: the Celtics. Resiliency, I mean Mahomes has had to overcome
Speaker 1: two offensive line rebuilds. He's got a father that's had
Speaker 1: some embarrassing public moments, a brother that's fairly high maintenance.
Speaker 2: I mean people are a wife who likes the limelight, now.
Speaker 1: Yeah a little bit. Yeah, So it's Mahomes has shown
Speaker 1: an amazing resilience to social life, family life, fame. It's
Speaker 1: just incredibly resilient. Multiple rebuilt O line, receiving core. He
Speaker 1: just can handle it. And another thing is I mean
Speaker 1: he makes forty five million dollars a year endorsements. I've
Speaker 1: been told more than that. It used to be twenty
Speaker 1: years ago football players. I remember watching Donovan McNabb get
Speaker 1: a soup commercial. I was like, oh, I've never seen
Speaker 1: an NFL guy get a commercial outside of like a
Speaker 1: local truck dealer. The guy's making forty five to fifty
Speaker 1: five million year in endorsements and it's just it's important
Speaker 1: to him. He wants to be respected. But I think
Speaker 1: the two great things are resiliency and how do you
Speaker 1: handle winning? And you know, you party, you have a
Speaker 1: great weekend, and then you get back to f and
Speaker 1: work four days later, and that seems you know, there's
Speaker 1: this I always hear this, Oh, this toxic masculinity, this
Speaker 1: sort of toxic people who are obsessed with working. That's
Speaker 1: what all the great people do in every industry. It
Speaker 1: just it's a defining trait.
Speaker 2: Well, I get asked so much now that I do
Speaker 2: this is like advice, and my number one advice always
Speaker 2: is you gotta find what you like doing because you're
Speaker 2: gonna end up working so much that it's so much
Speaker 2: easier to work hard when you like what you're doing.
Speaker 2: And I think this speaks to why Patrick Mahone, a
Speaker 2: lot of the great athletes, Mahomes, Brady Tiger, they loved
Speaker 2: their sport. Andy Reid is a if football was crack,
Speaker 2: he'd be a crack addict. He loves football like it's
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 1: Means like Jim Harball, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's it's most coaches, right, Kyle Shanahan, Shom mcvage. They
Speaker 2: are addicted to football. You could not work the hours
Speaker 2: you have to work without loving it. That's why would
Speaker 2: I work in the NFL. It's like, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: I like other sports. I like doing others. There's other
Speaker 2: elements that I don't like it as much as they do.
Speaker 2: They Rett Veach is addicted to football. And I think
Speaker 2: this speaks to when the combine comes around in the draft,
Speaker 2: the character of the guys, because you think McDuffie's gonna
Speaker 2: try any less harder, no super high character guy. They
Speaker 2: know they feel very Kelsey all these years. But the
Speaker 2: Kelsey brothers are great examples how much they enjoy playing football.
Speaker 2: Most of football is not the super Bowl. It's for
Speaker 2: the next nine months working out. OTA's training, eating right,
Speaker 2: not doing things, turning things down because you gotta you
Speaker 2: gotta train, you gotta work. You get such a small
Speaker 2: for all the money you have. You have ninety million dollars.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing. So he's making forty five on
Speaker 2: the field, forty five off. He's twenty seven to twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine percent of humans would take the
Speaker 2: foot off the gas. It's human nature. It doesn't feel
Speaker 2: he's phased at all by it, and a lot of
Speaker 2: these guys I give a lot of you, Josh Allen, Lamar,
Speaker 2: I think it's impressive for all the top players in
Speaker 2: the NFL. I think the league, and I've always defended this,
Speaker 2: the percentage of guys that get in trouble, that the
Speaker 2: league is full of the highest character, hardest working. If
Speaker 2: they weren't in the NFL, they would be so successful
Speaker 2: in whatever they were doing.
Speaker 1: I thought about that. I've thought about that before in
Speaker 1: most poor leagues, but I mean, the NFL is are
Speaker 1: very much a domestic league. How lucky is this league?
Speaker 1: It was such a great story a seventh rounder and
Speaker 1: then Mahomes, How lucky is this league? If you said,
Speaker 1: and I've defended Lamar Jackson on this, that kid gets
Speaker 1: so pissed when he loses. He wants it so bad,
Speaker 1: he wants it so bad. But think about the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the league. Now, the top ones Josh Allen, Herbert Mahomes, Lamar,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurds like Burrow Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, like they're just
Speaker 1: great guys.
Speaker 2: And then the cousins that kind of crew.
Speaker 1: And then then you get these stories like you know,
Speaker 1: Brock Purdy, there's so many different ways to be a
Speaker 1: quarterback in this league now. And the great thing about
Speaker 1: brock Purty is that it will He'll get guys drafted.
Speaker 1: I mean, people will start taking six and seven round
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because you become It's like I thought, Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: got Kyler Murray, Johnny Manziel Baker. Mayfield's like, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: a little short. Is that? I think the league's really lucky.
Speaker 1: And now that's not to say the NBA has bad guys,
Speaker 1: but a lot of their greatest players, they're more mature players,
Speaker 1: are international players because they play with men. When these
Speaker 1: kids are like fifteen sixty, they play with men. You
Speaker 1: have to grow up very quickly. Our domestic players. It's
Speaker 1: more of an AAU, a little more juvenile basketball operation
Speaker 1: or like international basketball. So many of the great players
Speaker 1: in the NBA, though great people, they're they're international players.
Speaker 1: Are guys you know you watch them for three or
Speaker 1: four years they come into this league. There's not many.
Speaker 1: There's not many knuckleheads. There's good guys.
Speaker 2: You get weeded out so fast because how hard it
Speaker 2: is you really do because the majority of the week
Speaker 2: is not playing. Playing is easy, Like if baseball, you
Speaker 2: get to play every day. In basketball, you play every
Speaker 2: other day unless you're a star, then you play once
Speaker 2: a week. In football, you get one game. And that's
Speaker 2: the fun part. Ray Lewis, you pay me Monday through Saturday.
Speaker 2: Sundays are for free. The games are fun, but most
Speaker 2: of it is not. You're not just lifting, you're lifting
Speaker 2: hard hard to eating. The discipline of food. If you're
Speaker 2: a big guy, if you ever play with the older
Speaker 2: offensive lineman, like what you played offensive line in the league,
Speaker 2: he weighs like two forty, He's like, yeah, I used
Speaker 2: to have to eat ten thousand calories a day during training,
Speaker 2: Like it's not easy to do that. Jason Kelsey is
Speaker 2: a good example. He's naturally probably two hundred and sixty pounds,
Speaker 2: but he has to carry that three hundred. You have
Speaker 2: to maintain that with food. It's not always fun, Like
Speaker 2: I like to eat, but not on that level. It's
Speaker 2: a very very and then the physical element of the sport.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just get how many times today, I
Speaker 2: know I held my breath half the Niners when they
Speaker 2: got tackled. Every time Christian McCaffrey goes down, Like God,
Speaker 2: I hope he gets up Deebo Samuel, like God, I
Speaker 2: hope he gets because the collisions in this game. I
Speaker 2: saw Lewis Riddick talking about this this week. He said that,
Speaker 2: you know, back when they played in the in the
Speaker 2: eighties and nineties of John lynch Day's it was obviously
Speaker 2: much more physical and much more reckless, but it was
Speaker 2: guys weren't The training was a lot different. You know,
Speaker 2: there was drinking and it's just now you were much
Speaker 2: more likely to get killed nowadays, the training, I mean,
Speaker 2: all these guys are the lean muscle mass they have.
Speaker 2: I mean they're just purely muscle and they've never been faster.
Speaker 2: So if they didn't regulate the hits out of the game,
Speaker 2: I mean, you would have some serious injuries because there
Speaker 2: are collisions. Now. I love physical football. I grew up
Speaker 2: on that type football and I miss it. Sometimes the
Speaker 2: game is still when it matters, really physical. The level
Speaker 2: in which these corners and safeties all tackled, they all
Speaker 2: wait for the combine how many guys, how many dbs
Speaker 2: wide receivers, running backs and safeties don't run four four
Speaker 2: or four five. If you run four five five, we're
Speaker 2: like hey slow. You know, back in the day, A
Speaker 2: lot of guys playing in the NFL run four to seven.
Speaker 2: That that difference when you factor in a little extra
Speaker 2: muscle mass and you're running from four to seven to
Speaker 2: four four eight, that collision hits a little harder. And
Speaker 2: I listen, I miss those days. But I do think
Speaker 2: that the biggest in the biggest games this league is
Speaker 2: still about physicality and tackling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's I thought. You know, it's one of the
Speaker 1: things about the NFL that I think you and I
Speaker 1: appreciate this is that I think it's a really well
Speaker 1: run league, and I think it's easy. A lot of
Speaker 1: people in the media, a lot of newspaper people tend
Speaker 1: to be precious and they're.
Speaker 2: Kind of getting crushed. Last week he was getting destroyed.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about. People just don't understand everything
Speaker 1: is up. They handled, uh, you know, the Kaepernick situation.
Speaker 1: They move are not easy for le Black Lives Matter,
Speaker 1: those are those are big social movements. Those are not
Speaker 1: easy to navigate. And I think about seventy percent of players,
Speaker 1: NFL players African American, He's navigated that. Players like him,
Speaker 1: corporations like him. They're you know, I know, having talked
Speaker 1: to people at networks. They're tough, but rightfully so you
Speaker 1: out a product you want. But if you start looking
Speaker 1: at how smart they've been with moving, extending the draft,
Speaker 1: moving free agency, putting stuff on Christmas. You know, I
Speaker 1: saw the NBA trade deadline was during a Super Bowl week?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What the what the f are
Speaker 1: you doing? Baseball gives it to Wards like two months
Speaker 1: after the season. They don't give him on the same day.
Speaker 1: There's no buzz, like it's all of a sudden, out
Speaker 1: of the blue. You're like, that guy won the American
Speaker 1: League MVP. Like in four days later, that guy won't
Speaker 1: come back Player of the Year. It's like, the hell
Speaker 1: are you doing here? The NFL has done a remarkable
Speaker 1: job to own the calendar. I mean, if I was baseball,
Speaker 1: the there's an opening. Sean McVay didn't play starters. It worked.
Speaker 1: Now nobody plays starters. The preseason's dead. NFL's cut a game,
Speaker 1: They may cut another game. It's just dead. Baseball. August
Speaker 1: is wide open. They'll never move on it. It's wide open.
Speaker 1: Guys like you and me, we take August off. It's
Speaker 1: like an off month. If you shorten baseball by one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty games and you start playoffs like August eighth,
Speaker 1: you own the month. That's what football would do. That's
Speaker 1: what he watched the NBA get this big marketing day
Speaker 1: when everybody's home on Christmas and Goodell's like, no, we're
Speaker 1: moving games. So when I look at the NFL, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons. It's popular, scarcity, gambling, but it's
Speaker 1: really it's made everything else niche and they don't they
Speaker 1: navigate politics. They're good to their players, but don't pander
Speaker 1: and coddle. They've got mobility but also loyalty, and I
Speaker 1: think they manipulate the calendar. And when I see these
Speaker 1: people get on Roger Goodell. I've had drinks with him
Speaker 1: once in dinner. He's really a good listener. He's just
Speaker 1: always what do you think. I remember I had him
Speaker 1: on the show like several years ago. It was before
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with New England and Philly, and I said, Commissioner,
Speaker 1: I love your sport. I don't know what a catch is.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what a catches. And he literally said
Speaker 1: in the air he goes Colin, it's a big problem
Speaker 1: that super Bowl. They literally switched it for the Supermember
Speaker 1: there were a couple of juggling catches by the Eagles
Speaker 1: in the end zone. They were touchdowns. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just when I when I look at the NFL
Speaker 1: in my business, you got to talk about it about
Speaker 1: sixty five percent of the time. I think it's I
Speaker 1: don't even know what the hole is like. I think
Speaker 1: it's a brilliant league and incredibly well run.
Speaker 2: You could argue that you could talk about it eighty
Speaker 2: eighty five percent of the time and not skip a beat.
Speaker 2: I thought the criticism for him and a lot of
Speaker 2: big Big Jay's they were very, very angry at Roger
Speaker 2: holding this press conference. I didn't question, like, no one cares.
Speaker 2: The average fan does not care what Roger's saying. The
Speaker 2: other thing is no one asotiated with the NFL players, coaches, executives, owners,
Speaker 2: people like us that talk about it have ever had
Speaker 2: more success because of the popularity of this sport. Yet,
Speaker 2: if you just pull the average person that writes about
Speaker 2: the NFL, they would say Roger sucks. And on the
Speaker 2: flip side, they would say Adam Silver is great. And listen,
Speaker 2: maybe it goes back to he doesn't playkate with them.
Speaker 2: He doesn't text many of them. Maybe I've never met
Speaker 2: the guy. I don't have any dog in the fight. Beside,
Speaker 2: I like football. But the league, think about how about
Speaker 2: this week is a good example. They were very very
Speaker 2: against Vegas for a long period of time. My father
Speaker 2: works for a big farmer back in the seventies that
Speaker 2: bought a Vegas casino, the maxim Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: When you got there in a gun bankrupt and he
Speaker 2: had bought it. And when he bought it, the guy
Speaker 2: comes up to him and says, Jack, we got three
Speaker 2: or four rooms with basically the equivalent of Joe Peshi,
Speaker 2: roberts Niro and Ray Liota. They don't pay. I would
Speaker 2: just let them be those mob guys, right and they
Speaker 2: I guess forever seventies eighties is probably shady. You go
Speaker 2: there now it's corporate America s and P. Five hundred.
Speaker 2: It is normal business. And what have the NFL done?
Speaker 2: They shifted right there and that's that Vegas super Bowl
Speaker 2: should happen every four years, Max. I mean, you talk
Speaker 2: about a perfect place. It's made for that. And now
Speaker 2: they have the how awesome did that Super Bowl look
Speaker 2: on television in that in that stadium? And they listened.
Speaker 2: They were very at adamant anti Vegas. Remember Tony got
Speaker 2: in trouble and then the laws changed and they quickly
Speaker 2: pivoted and they moved a team there and they've never
Speaker 2: looked back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, and that's what people I talked to.
Speaker 1: I have always been partial to Miami because it's just
Speaker 1: such a walk around on Ocean Avenue and it's warm
Speaker 1: Ocean Ocean Drive, and then I think it's Collins Drive
Speaker 1: or whatever is behind it. I love just walking and
Speaker 1: by the way, it's it's it's like South America. It's
Speaker 1: cold and the rest of the country. It's even cold
Speaker 1: in California, Dallas, and then it's warmed out in Miami.
Speaker 1: But I always thought Miami did the best job. And
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is more than capable. But La is a
Speaker 1: big city. In traffic's an issue, traffic downtown because of
Speaker 1: that F one race. It really f the traffic. Vegas
Speaker 1: has never had great traffic. But you know the other
Speaker 1: thing is about the Super Bowl in Las Vegas. Go
Speaker 1: look up the twenty biggest hotels in America eighteen or
Speaker 1: in Vegas. You go to these places like the MGM,
Speaker 1: the biggest hotel in most American cities may have six
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty rooms. These things have like eight thousand.
Speaker 2: I stayed on the sixty fifth floor at the Cosmo.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how many rooms the Cosmo has,
Speaker 2: but to do the math, there's got to be a lot.
Speaker 1: So the city's just uniquely built. You know, I've said
Speaker 1: this for years. We don't move around Marty Gras, New
Speaker 1: Year's Rock and Eve. We don't move around a lot
Speaker 1: of the awards that we see on TV and radio.
Speaker 1: You don't have to move everything. I mean, this idea
Speaker 1: that we should have cold weather super Bowls. You can't
Speaker 1: put a super Bowl. We tried it in Jacksonville for
Speaker 1: christ Sake. I was there. They had to bring in chips.
Speaker 1: There was nowhere to sleep. I mean, have they were
Speaker 1: having local They had to call in three thousand taxi
Speaker 1: drivers from like Miami. In Orlando. It was an as show.
Speaker 1: Put it in VI.
Speaker 2: If I said the super Bowl, if I said the
Speaker 2: super Bowl was there five straight years, would anyone complain?
Speaker 2: I don't think they would. It's just you don't never
Speaker 2: need to go outside. It's just it's uniquely equipped for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I thought Vegas crushed. I thought Goodell had another
Speaker 1: good year. They just navigate all the turbulence and social issues.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if the same two teams are
Speaker 1: back here. I okay, so let's do this. Let's I
Speaker 1: thought Romo and Nance did have a good game. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I don't they're going to move the deck chairs.
Speaker 1: I think the CBS pregame show there wasn't a memorable moment.
Speaker 1: They're all nice guys, but I didn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of oomph. To me, it's kind of Fox has had
Speaker 1: that crew. It's like TNT basketball. It's just better than
Speaker 1: the ESPN. What are you gonna say, it's Barkley at Shack,
Speaker 1: it's Kenny Attorney. I think the Fox crew's been doing it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's a little older in the tooth, but it's just good.
Speaker 1: It's been good for a long time. It's smartly produced
Speaker 1: Bill Richards, it's great pieces, funny enough, and the CBS
Speaker 1: crew's okay to me, NBC at Night very okay to me.
Speaker 2: Ah terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not avail you, but I thought Romo and
Speaker 1: Nance were pretty good. I think Nance is great, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Tony is just kind of a
Speaker 1: squarely fun personality. Tony's the kind of guy that if
Speaker 1: you went out golfing with him, you'd.
Speaker 2: Have a ball.
Speaker 1: He'd tell you a million stories, and sometimes he can
Speaker 1: be a little bit loose. But I thought he did.
Speaker 1: I thought he was. I thought it was one of
Speaker 1: Tony's Romo's better broadcasts. I thought he started calling things
Speaker 1: very quickly.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: One of the things he kept saying is you know,
Speaker 1: he'd be like, oh this this drive hurts, or he
Speaker 1: kept saying I thought it was really smart. He goes,
Speaker 1: okay that whatever you just saw there, that was a
Speaker 1: designed Shanahan play. He was calling that throughout the game.
Speaker 1: He would give the coach credit, not just the player.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 1: There's a distinction there that we always give the quarterback credit.
Speaker 1: And he would say with like at the end, he's like,
Speaker 1: that's an Andy Reid play. Mahomes is great, that's an
Speaker 1: Andy Reid play. So I what is your take? I
Speaker 1: think Nansen Romo are fine. I do think once he
Speaker 1: signed that seventeen million dollars a year contract, he became
Speaker 1: a target, and once you're a target, it's hard.
Speaker 2: I think he got pigeonholed in the lane if he
Speaker 2: calls the plays, which is not a sustainable thing to do.
Speaker 2: And I think it is hard to be the goofier
Speaker 2: guy if you're not a little older. You know, John
Speaker 2: Madden when he started calling games by the time I
Speaker 2: was a kid, was in his fifties right or sixties.
Speaker 2: Gruden was already this massive personality by the time he
Speaker 2: got the booth. When I think about Troy Aikman, I
Speaker 2: think guy like he'll crush some people. Troykman's kind of
Speaker 2: an old school bat. He has that definitive lane and
Speaker 2: people kind of like that because a lot of announcers,
Speaker 2: the former players, they won't really be critical. Troy has
Speaker 2: no problem doing that. That's why that's mice. I enjoy that.
Speaker 2: Collins Worth is just one of those unique guys that
Speaker 2: I don't remember a play he ever made because by
Speaker 2: the time he was already retired by the time I
Speaker 2: was probably ten. But he's just good. And you watch
Speaker 2: Tony sometimes against Lucy Becaus not really my style because
Speaker 2: he's never gonna be that critical on moments where it's
Speaker 2: like okay, Tony. But if you're not gonna do that,
Speaker 2: you have to do something else, and he kind of
Speaker 2: lost his fastball once he stopped doing the plays, and
Speaker 2: people thought he was starting getting the lazy because what's
Speaker 2: he doing. He's never going, well, that's a terrible call
Speaker 2: when it obviously is. I think most people that sit
Speaker 2: on their couch now we've all watched a lot of football.
Speaker 2: Some stuff's pretty obvious. And when the announcers refuse because
Speaker 2: they're everybody's friends, they know these coaches, it's not that enjoyable, right,
Speaker 2: Why does Colin Coward have success? You're opinionated, You see something,
Speaker 2: you say it, and I think Tony was very hesitant
Speaker 2: to do that. In fairness to Peyton Manning, he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be critical, so he doesn't call
Speaker 2: the games. Really he just does the thing with Eli.
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna sit in that chair, if you're
Speaker 2: gonna be Tom, it's gonna be hard. Like Tom, people
Speaker 2: are gonna want to hear you say that's a terrible
Speaker 2: play call because we watched you play and we know
Speaker 2: that's your style. Like you get mad and Peyton does it.
Speaker 2: Actually sometimes do any immediate kind of goes viral because
Speaker 2: people like that, and I think Tony's always really struggle
Speaker 2: with that. Even day tries to play nice with both
Speaker 2: guys like Jim, I think you should go forward a year.
Speaker 2: They just just pick a lane, go and it's okay
Speaker 2: if you're wrong. But I think he's always very offen.
Speaker 2: He's always very hesitant. It feels like to offend the
Speaker 2: coach because he knows these guys well. They all text him,
Speaker 2: these buddies with them, and that, to me is my criticism.
Speaker 2: He just won't say stuff when it's pretty obvious. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I don't care about the play calls. I like having
Speaker 2: a little fun whatever, but just say that was a
Speaker 2: terrible freaking call, Jim. That cannot happen in that situation.
Speaker 2: He's just never gonna where Troy. I would say, Troy,
Speaker 2: especially once Tony's got a lot of money, has no
Speaker 2: problem laying the law down and people enjoy that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think, to me, if I had to pick
Speaker 1: a play, the play of the game, to me, it's
Speaker 1: the third quarter, the San Francisco fumble punt which allows
Speaker 1: Mahomes next play touchdown thirteen to ten. I felt like
Speaker 1: until that point, I thought San Francisco not only had
Speaker 1: the physical momentum, the emotional momentum game. I thought just
Speaker 1: they were the better team. I did think that was
Speaker 1: the moment of the game. And San Francisco came back,
Speaker 1: but I did think that put pressure on Purty, That
Speaker 1: put pressure on a chance. Okay, now you trail Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Now they responded very well, but to me, to me,
Speaker 1: it was sort of a defining play. It was like
Speaker 1: you looked up and went, Kansas City leads. They're getting
Speaker 1: out played significantly, and I in that moment, I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna win this game. They're gonna figure out a
Speaker 1: way to do it. That's my defining moment of the game.
Speaker 1: Third quarter. Is there one for you?
Speaker 2: I would say there were multiple moments where the Niners
Speaker 2: had a chance to basically hold them to field goals
Speaker 2: and or super long field goals, and Andy and Mahomes
Speaker 2: dialed up the perfect play and they got a twenty
Speaker 2: yard game to Kelsey across the middle. They got that
Speaker 2: long play to Rice. And when I think this season,
Speaker 2: when it comes to Andy and Holmes, was not about
Speaker 2: the seventy yard bombs, was not really about the highlight
Speaker 2: package that will define Mahomes's early career. It was about
Speaker 2: doing the stuff Tom Brady and Peyton Manning did that,
Speaker 2: Joe Montana did that, Troy Aikman did did ultimately wins
Speaker 2: you games. This to me, this defining stretch, but specifically
Speaker 2: today was about kind of the boring cliche winning football,
Speaker 2: and it was we know you're bringing the house here.
Speaker 2: We're going one on one cover with a linebacker that's
Speaker 2: not gonna be able to cover, and we're gonna get
Speaker 2: Kelsey in space. He's gonna get a big game. And
Speaker 2: it's gonna be the momentum shift of that play on
Speaker 2: third and seven where Butker might have to kick a
Speaker 2: forty eight yard field goal. Now we're first and ten
Speaker 2: of the thirteen yard line and you're just like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, they're going to win the game. And they
Speaker 2: did that multiple times a day in the fourth quarter
Speaker 2: and obviously in overtime. I think I feel like they
Speaker 2: did it multiple times in overtime. Well, big Rice first down,
Speaker 2: a big Mahomes run that was just you know, not
Speaker 2: every play with Michael Jordan were fade away game winning jumpers.
Speaker 2: There was just a lot of winning basketball. Some of
Speaker 2: Tiger's stuff was just he got up and down when
Speaker 2: he had to do on whole fourteen when no one
Speaker 2: was paying attention to most guys bogie and they did
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Today is the highest level of football, right,
Speaker 2: Brett Fahv. All the great players, you know, the physical
Speaker 2: guys can make this spectacular play Steph Curry the other night,
Speaker 2: but he does so much other stuff that's winning. And today,
Speaker 2: like I thought, Mahomes and Andy were just so dialed
Speaker 2: in when it mattered the most. What a special listen
Speaker 2: I've known Andy now fifteen, What a great moment for him,
Speaker 2: you know, back to back Super Bowls. Not many guys
Speaker 2: in the history of the league. And like I said,
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the great five six
Speaker 2: year runs in my lifetime of just a team do
Speaker 2: it multiple different ways. Like remember some of those Yankee
Speaker 2: teams right in the late nineties, they weren't all the same.
Speaker 2: When you get more credit when you do it like that, right,
Speaker 2: And I think today was they're just this was their grittiest, toughest,
Speaker 2: smartest and just refusing to kind of wilt and just
Speaker 2: finding a way almost digging it out of the dirt.
Speaker 2: They didn't really have to do that earlier on, right,
Speaker 2: how they had to And now I don't think. I
Speaker 2: don't think they'll ever be a human. They're not going
Speaker 2: to win every Super Bowl. But no one's ever putting
Speaker 2: money on the other team against these guys ever. Again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we said it earlier. The great teams,
Speaker 1: the great teams win it. When you think, oh, this
Speaker 1: is there. I said it all year. I said this
Speaker 1: is their pivot year. Stage one of the dynasty is
Speaker 1: Mahomes isn't making a money. Stage two is we gotta
Speaker 1: make some cuts. And last year I thought, oh, they're
Speaker 1: just too young on defense. Oh and this year I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're just not good enough a wide receiver. And they won.
Speaker 1: This two year stretch has got to be discouraging because
Speaker 1: Baltimore is stacked, in San Francisco is stacked, in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: is stacked, And you're like, oh shit, these are the
Speaker 1: pivot years. So all right, John Middlecoff, former Scout three
Speaker 1: and out, good hour fifteen.
Speaker 2: What a super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Oh so good, so good. So now we talked about
Speaker 1: it for a couple of days. Then there's March heats up.
Speaker 1: It's a NFL free agency. I don't think Chris Jones
Speaker 1: will get paid. San Francisco doesn't have a ton of needs.
Speaker 1: Hard to pay two linebackers, they probably have to get
Speaker 1: another corner. They also have to start examining. I think
Speaker 1: they drafted a tight end last year. They got to
Speaker 1: get another tight end in there. I think you made
Speaker 1: a good point earlier. Kittle's great player, but the gap
Speaker 1: between Kelsey and Kittle in big games, Jesus Travis really
Speaker 1: the two best big game tight ends I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: Gronk and Kelsey. This was a great playoff run for
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 2: I'd say the highlight of the Niners week now. After
Speaker 2: losing this game, As Trent Williams said earlier, that winner
Speaker 2: lose this game, he still got a couple of years in.
Speaker 2: He likes playing for the Niners and Kyle, so that's
Speaker 2: one positive. Trent is still pretty damn even though he
Speaker 2: had a couple off sides. But when you're that good,
Speaker 2: you can live with a couple off sides. So the
Speaker 2: big guy is not going anywhere. But he's getting older.
Speaker 2: You know you're not gonna have him forever.
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, John, that was fun.
Speaker 2: I was I'm here. You want to talk some football?
Speaker 2: We got we got combined a couple of weeks I
Speaker 2: think I might go. I think I might go. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be a big combine, a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1: All right. I'll tell her management to send your ship
Speaker 1: to Indy. Gonna marry at a hotel room somewhere I
Speaker 1: can see anybody.
Speaker 2: See you soon.
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