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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout three and out, who knows

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Speaker 1: the Niners very very well. You know, I already thought

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Speaker 1: San Francisco outplayed Kansas City for most of the game.

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Speaker 1: But then when you get to overtime, boy, there's some

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Speaker 1: big advantages Mahomes, Kelsey, game experience, the kicker, Andy Reid.

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Speaker 1: Let me start John by this. I thought both coaches,

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Speaker 1: you know, players look nervous, Kansas City's young overcoming Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: it's just my interpretation. I thought Shanahan Andy's last drive

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Speaker 1: was classic Candy. I thought, Shanahan, you're a Niners guy.

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Speaker 1: I thought he had a good day. I think there's

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Speaker 1: some limitations to Pretty. Obviously, Spags felt every time he

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Speaker 1: It's almost the opposite of what you do with Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: where you never blitz with Pretty. There's a pretty clear

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Speaker 1: He's small doesn't have a huge arm. But your takeaway

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Speaker 1: on Shanahan's afternoon because he'll get pinned with a loss.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean, I thought he had a

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Speaker 1: game early on, the Niners were out playing them, right,

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Speaker 1: Their defense had to look like that in months month,

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Speaker 1: and it's just you're you can't keep this guy in

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Speaker 2: And it obviously played out that way as it went.

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Speaker 2: Spagnola and that defense is fantastic. But yeah, I thought,

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Speaker 2: you know, the big question mark for me coming into

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Speaker 2: their defensive line, and they were awesome today. Yes, I would.

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Speaker 1: Imagine Bolsha could have been MVP at halftime.

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Speaker 2: He was incredible. He was Everyone was so tired by

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Speaker 2: everyone wakes up in the morning. One area of controversy

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Speaker 2: I know in Ninerland is going to be his decision

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Speaker 2: in overtime. Now with these new rules, whether to take it,

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Speaker 2: he wins the toss and he elects to take the ball. Now,

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Speaker 2: during the season, the forty nine ers, whenever they win

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Speaker 2: the toss, they defer. I actually was okay with it

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Speaker 2: I thought Perty on that first overtime drive was incredible,

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Speaker 2: the play he made to Christian McCaffrey. The other play

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Speaker 2: he made to use check. But what happened a couple

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Speaker 2: big time third downs in the red zone spag Nolan

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Speaker 2: And then that last drive by Andy, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: I think when you look at this game, it is

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Speaker 2: I mean, how many times you know it's not like

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Speaker 2: you're losing to Mahomes and Andy. But man, that is

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Speaker 1: Let's let's face it. Eli Manning beat Brady twice in

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Speaker 2: They did all season long. When the Chiefs have won

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Speaker 2: their physicality and their secondary physicality. How well they tackled.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the second half in overtime were that's

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Speaker 2: But like you said, this isn't some indictment against Kyle sucks.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting going forward with San Francisco. Kittle got

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Speaker 2: really in your prime with your quarterback. And Bill was

428
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,479
Speaker 2: like this for a long time. Is Andy now knows

429
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: every player in the league, right, He's literally evaluated every

430
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 2: guy in the league. And then he gets a GM

431
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 2: and a personnel guy. And that's the one thing Bill.

432
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 2: Once Pioli left, he had Casario for a while. Beach

433
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 2: isn't going anywhere. So they're such a lockstep on exactly

434
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: what they're looking for. Mahomes is in the boat with

435
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: them a lot like Brady, right, but it's their relationships

436
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: even better because like Andy would go to dinner with

437
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: Mahomes where Bill would not. With their relationship is much

438
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 2: more in a friendly manner professionally and personally that I

439
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 2: think you can make tough decisions. And let's face it,

440
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 2: you win this third Super Bowl, what can Andy do

441
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: beside getting rid of mahomes that anyone's gonna question.

442
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: Well, And also I think Chris Jones can say, hey, listen,

443
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: I got another ring. I'm gonna go get paid.

444
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: I got three.

445
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to Jacksonville, Tampa. No state tax at.

446
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: Them, one hundred and twenty million dollars guaranteed.

447
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I never once a guy gets rings in

448
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: the NFL. I get it, especially when you're playing one

449
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: of these life altering positions like D line or O

450
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 1: line where it takes years off your life. I mean,

451
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: you come out it with six shoulder surgeries, your hands

452
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,959
Speaker 1: are mangled. Just go get your money, like take care

453
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,479
Speaker 1: of your family, your mom and your dad, that kind

454
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I think, you know, there'll be so

455
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: many different headlines in this game. Usher didn't do a

456
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 1: thing for me. I felt it was like late. It

457
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: was like twenty.

458
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: Eight that was my childhood. I enjoyed it.

459
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Speaker 1: I was like pre game show commercials. Usher second half unbelievable.

460
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: The you know, one of the bigger headlines, and I

461
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 1: think I thought, I guess my take on Pretty is this.

462
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: I thought he was really composed in the first half,

463
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Speaker 1: like over, I thought he was kind of blew me away.

464
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Speaker 1: I did think that there is a way. You know,

465
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Speaker 1: people say there's a way that defend Lamar put pressure

466
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Speaker 1: on him. Well, there's a way to defend Purtty. It's

467
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: pretty obvious now. Spags is great, So it's not like

468
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Speaker 1: Pretty struggled against you know, this is a great defensive

469
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Speaker 1: coordinator and say this.

470
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: I think can over almost it at the end.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think this defense by Kansas City

472
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: is fast and twitchy, and I think people will now acknowledge,

473
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: holy shit, it's really good. But Baltimore kind of ate

474
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Speaker 1: Pretty up a little bit. I think Pretty played too

475
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Speaker 1: well in this game for him to get a lot

476
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Speaker 1: of heat. But to talk tomorrow will be well, you know,

477
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: you settle for a field goal, Mahomes gets a touchdown.

478
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Speaker 1: Do you think Pretty you'll get any heat at all?

479
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: No. I think it's more on Kyle. I you know,

480
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 2: you're making nine hundred grand. I mean, Kyle's making fifteen million.

481
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: He's the star of the show. One thing, if I

482
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Speaker 2: wanted to criticize Kyle the play caller, and I think

483
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: you see it with Andy went. Part of the thing

484
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: with Kyle is his offense is his offense. Where Andy

485
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 2: is adapt over the years a million. He plays one

486
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: way with Alex, he plays another way with Mahomes. He

487
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 2: used to pass probably too much. Now he has no

488
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 2: problem running the ball. He's got that Belichick mindset of

489
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: like I'll do whatever it takes. Where Kyle's offense is

490
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 2: his offense. And one thing they do not do beside

491
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: the play action rollout is just like a rollout. Snap

492
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 2: the ball to him and get Purty on the move.

493
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: One of Purdy's defining characteristics which no one really knew

494
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: when he first started playing, which is evident now is

495
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: his mobility's pretty good. Yeah, and Kyle doesn't ever get

496
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: him on the move. What happens multiple times. There was

497
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: a play early in the game, a throwback to Kittle

498
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: that was negated for the penalty. Get him moving. He's

499
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 2: an instinctive player, but that's not Kyle's offense because he

500
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: doesn't have Kyle does not have a drop back passing offense.

501
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: It's all tied to the run. Yes, and even when

502
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 2: he gets pass happy. It's still run fakes to the

503
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: pass or a quick screen fake. That's part of Kyle's deal,

504
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: And I wonder if he just adapts a little bit

505
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Speaker 2: moving forward next year with Purdy, because their team's still

506
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: going to be really good. They're probably be the betting

507
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: favorite after the draft to win the NFC. But I do.

508
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Andy only got there once with

509
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: Philly and he lost it. He lost a lot of

510
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: the championship games, and then next time he got back

511
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: with Mahomes, he won it, and the rest is history.

512
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: Now he's winning it. Kyle's been there twice now and

513
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: lost in this one the longest overtime in league history,

514
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: I would imagine.

515
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: And in both games out played Mahomes for at least

516
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Speaker 1: three quarters.

517
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: I was playing winning football. It's one thing if you

518
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: get it's one thing if you're the Denver Broncos playing

519
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: that Seattle team, get your ass kicked. What are you

520
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: gonna do? You know, It's just like, damn, we were

521
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: not you have these type games. I don't know how

522
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: he sleeps for a week, because he's been around this

523
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: long enough to know how hard it is to get back. Listen,

524
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna stay maintained being pretty good. But

525
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: how many opportunities do you get where your team comes

526
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: out Ready, they had just looked pretty shitty the last

527
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: couple of playoff games, out playing them even in overtime.

528
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Speaker 2: You drive first and score if you could just somehow

529
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Speaker 2: get a stop, maybe get him to miss a long

530
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: field goal. And what happened. Mahomes makes a couple of plays,

531
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: Andy makes a couple of great play calls. All of

532
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: a sudden, they get a wide open town. It just ends.

533
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: And I think one of the question marks I would

534
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: imagine in the Bay Area that where Kyle had to

535
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: call the time out with Wilkes. This is the thing,

536
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: and we'd been talking about it for a while with

537
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 2: Spags and Andy. He doesn't have to worry about Spags

538
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: getting a job. He's going nowhere, so he has full

539
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: trust and a great coordinator. Where Kyle lost back to

540
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 2: back coordinators who he knew he felt comfortable with, and

541
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: now he had to go outside and clearly like welks

542
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 2: of solid like he was good tonight. But this is

543
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: not exactly the twenty nineteen in Kansas City. You know,

544
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: does Kyle think he's great? No? But you know, you're

545
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: kind of in no man's land with this guy's a

546
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: defensive coard. He's not some great defensive coordinator. If they

547
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: were all available, he's not a top ten pick in

548
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: the league. So that, to me is one question mark

549
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: with the forty nine ers moving forward is how much

550
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: trust Kyle has in his defensive court. And there was

551
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: a point this year where they lost three straight games.

552
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: Thought he was gonna get fired. Yeah, but they didn't

553
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: really have anyone else on the staff. And then when

554
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: you have to, how often does an offensive coach who's

555
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: the head coach call a time out because he doesn't

556
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: like to look on defense after he gave up a blitz.

557
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: It's very very rare. And even Romo's like, he probably

558
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: did the right thing, but it's not. Andy doesn't even

559
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 2: have to do that. And I think, I don't know,

560
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: maybe they just they would have ran out of gas,

561
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: even if you know Bill Belichick was their defensive coordinator.

562
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Romo brought up a good point in

563
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: the second half.

564
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 2: I thought they were good tonight. I know they take

565
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 2: a lot of shit, but I thought they were fine.

566
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: You know, I had said this about Andy Reid. If

567
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: I look at Bill Belichick's career, it is overwhelmingly tied

568
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: to one player. I mean, they were bad in New

569
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 1: England before Brady, they were bad after him, weren't very

570
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: good in Cleveland. I you know, I'll say this, we

571
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: don't consider Bill Russell with eleven rings better than Jordan

572
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: was six. I think Mahomes is the best quarterback I've

573
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: ever seen. I think Andy Reid is the best coach

574
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. He's not tied. Donovan McNabb was a

575
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: B minus quarterback. He was always inaccurate. He was an

576
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: athlete not ideal size. You know, he's always a short

577
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: hop stuff. He was kind of like he was a

578
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: good quarterback.

579
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: He was out of shape in the Super Bowl Colin.

580
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: I mean he was just throwing up in the Super Bowl.

581
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Speaker 1: I mean I just feel like Andy, who always gave

582
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: Belichick problems even with second tier quarterbacks. I think Andy's

583
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: a better coach than Belichick. First of all, when that

584
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: when you go to overtime, we're all just I mean

585
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: Romo and Nance were like, oh, this is Andy Reid,

586
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: this is this is this is almost unfair. I mean,

587
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: Andy hide stuff so much in New England's success was

588
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: tied to an offensive line coach. I mean, if you

589
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: go look when Scott Poldie leaves in the last eight

590
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: or nine drafts, when Bill controlled them, he didn't draft well.

591
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 1: He's toned. He's allergic to offense. Once he lost offensive people,

592
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: Bill really regressed badly. I think you look at Andy

593
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: Reid's coaching tree, his ability to adapt win with multiple quarterbacks,

594
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: multiple coordinators. I think Andy's the best football coach since

595
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh. That's my take. You know, again, Bill Russell

596
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: had some advantages. You know, it was read our bocket

597
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: were fewer teams and Bill. I'm not in no way

598
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: saying Bill. I mean, listen, he helps find Dante Skarneki,

599
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: he you know, helped he drafted Brady I think. But

600
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: I think Andy Reid. I mean, we think shanahaned is elite.

601
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: We both do top three or four coach in the year.

602
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: That game comes down to that last drive. I mean

603
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: you have to acknowledge that. And he's doing stuff. They're

604
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: hiding stuff they haven't used. I don't know when I watched.

605
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: When I watch Andy Reid's teams in big games, I

606
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: mean he's the best coach up a bye of all time.

607
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: He's now very close to being the best big game

608
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: coach ever. They win more close games, more games they've

609
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: trailed in the half. I'm not in any way discounting

610
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: Mahomes's ability, but shit, that last drive in overtime, it

611
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: is so clever. I mean, how many third and twos

612
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: and fourth and two did they run a play? And

613
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, haven't seen that one this year? I

614
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: don't know where do we classify Andy Reid?

615
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think he's definitely You know, Walsh

616
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: is gonna go down as probably the most famous coach

617
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: of all time, right there with Lombardi. Right when you

618
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: close your eyes, you say the NFL, you'd go Walsh, Lombardi,

619
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: and you said Belichick two. You know, Walsh won three

620
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: Super Bowls. People forget Seaford one two, right, So Andy

621
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: now has three. One thing that's not debatable with him

622
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: and Bill because I do think Bill has taken some

623
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: unfair criticism, Like we watched him make incredible moves in

624
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: the biggest games, from double passes to not calling the

625
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: time out against Pete Carroll to embarrassing Sean McVay, who,

626
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: granted was like thirty four at the time, but still

627
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: they scored three points in the Super Bowl when their

628
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: teams are not Super Bowl contenders, right, And Andy's proven it

629
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: with he was making the playoffs with Jeff Garcia. He

630
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: had Alex Smith competing to win that division when Peyton

631
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: Manning was in it. You remove Tom Brady, the team

632
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: is horrendous, awful. And I would say if you just

633
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: factor in the errors eras and you've talked about this,

634
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: Belichick in an era where defense is physical is cream

635
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: of the cromp right. He was developing defensive game plans

636
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: for Parcels to take out Walsh in Montana. Early on

637
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: in Brady, he had those physical teams taking out Marshall

638
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: Falk in the Super Bowl. Some of the great game plans.

639
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: But that league no longer exists. The league we're in

640
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: now is Kyle Shannan, Sean McVay, Andy Reid, offensive league, innovative.

641
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: How to get first downs is just, if not more

642
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: important than defense. And Andy's the best. It's not even close.

643
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: And I think anyone that knows him, and I knew

644
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: him before he had a Super Bowl, he's just an

645
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: incredible human being. You know, that's one thing people defend

646
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: Belichick that have been around him because they had a

647
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: lot of success around him. People defend Andy that have

648
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: been around him before he won it because they liked them,

649
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: because the way he treated people, the way he acted

650
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: in the office, the way he was to coaches. Look

651
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: at his coaching tree, Like if you factor that in

652
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: one thing, Bill Walsh got a lot of credit for

653
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 2: right was one Super Bowls always pivot off players and

654
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: found guys like I don't know, Mike Holmgren, George Seffert

655
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: who then led it. They had this, you know, kind

656
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: of opening with what came with coaches that became ran

657
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: the league. Bill Bill was the opposite. Right, look at

658
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: Andy's coaching tree. It's freaking incredible, and those guys swear

659
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: by him. Ya.

660
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: Matt Naggi is considered a miss in a time when

661
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: Stafford Rogers and Kirk Cousins were in their prime. He

662
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: got He got Miss Trubisky to the playoffs twice.

663
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: Miss is one of the I think mister Whisky was

664
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 2: like the worst contract in the league. He made eight

665
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: million dollars and he's not even He's barely a third

666
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: string quarterback. Matt Naggie's gonna be head coach in the

667
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: NFL again, promise you he will be. You know who

668
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: likes him the most on the staff beside Andy Reid,

669
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes Like, I'm sorry, I'm giving that guy some

670
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: credit of understanding what's what can coach or not? Nobody

671
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: Bill Walsh would have struggled with mister Whisky. How many

672
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: games would Elichick of one? Mister Bisky? The guy, The

673
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: guy can't hit water if he's sitting on a boat

674
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: in the middle of the ocean. So I listen. I

675
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: think Andy Reid. The scary part is Colin. He's just

676
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: not done, like all this retirement talk. Andy's not a fisher.

677
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: And also, to your point, they'll move off Chris Jones.

678
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: They've got They've done a good job drafting Carl Loftis

679
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: and some other players. They got some pass rush, so

680
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: they'll move off Chris. They'll probably try to get Kelsey

681
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: to sign another deal. But I mean they're not I mean,

682
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: they're the smart teams in this league, I think are

683
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: they'll pay. They'll pay a front five guy, Aaron Donald Rams,

684
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: they'll pay him, Chris Jones. But the smart teams in

685
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: this league is what drives me crazy about Pittsburgh. He

686
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: can't be spending your money on defense. Outside of a T. J. Watt,

687
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: He's got to go draft safeties and corners, and most

688
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: of these guys, if you look at them Kansas City,

689
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: they're not drafting a corner. Occasionally, if it's a big need,

690
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: they'll go early, but a lot of them are fourth, fifth,

691
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: and sixth round draft picks. Same with running backs. So

692
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: I just think I look at Andy and I think

693
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: to myself that New England started to show signs of regression.

694
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: Even after the Atlanta Super Bowl. It was very obvious

695
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: they could not draft a receiver or a tight end

696
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: after Gronk. You started seeing that at the end. Remember

697
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: Brady on the bench screaming, get open. I don't know

698
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: where Kansas City's organization has a whole draft develop communication,

699
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: quarterback defense bags. I always felt you could really see

700
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: the more power Bill got, the worse the drafting. God,

701
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: it wasn't even an argument. I mean, like Beach's hit

702
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: like he's like Brad Holmes in Detroit. You go to

703
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: last three years, like six.

704
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: Hits in the light rounds too. It's not even just

705
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: the first rounds. He's get bit. Jacob's a seventh rounder.

706
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: Watson the dB. I think it was a seventh rounder.

707
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 2: So they're getting players all over the draft.

708
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't really have I mean, they really don't.

709
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: They they've got the they've got the ability to move

710
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: off really popular talented guys, which you know a lot

711
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: of organizations don't. They can't. They just can't move off them,

712
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, if I I'm trying to think

713
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: my next year's Super Bowl bubble, I thought this would Honestly,

714
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: I thought this was the year to get Kansas City.

715
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think last year was too, and they've won two.

716
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: I mean I was thinking, I've been watching I'm almost

717
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: forty years old, so I remember watching sports for thirty years. Right.

718
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: The Cowboys in the mid nineties had a great run.

719
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: The Yankees obviously, the Bulls, the Patriots had a couple iterations.

720
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: This five year stretched by the Chiefs three Super Bowls,

721
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: been to another and lost it, been to six straight

722
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: AFC Championship games. It's as good of a run some

723
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: of the Warriors. And the difference to the Warriors, I mean,

724
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: they got Kevin Durant, so of course they weren't going

725
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: to lose some of those Yankee teams, they had unlimited money,

726
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: they were buying players. The way they've done it, this

727
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: is a lot very similar to the Patriots. They made

728
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: some tough decisions. It was coaching development led by star quarterback,

729
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: led by intel, diligence, led by character. The other thing

730
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: at with my guy on the Chiefs. And this is

731
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: where I think the two teams have a lot in common,

732
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 2: the character on these teams. How hard these guys work,

733
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: how into football they are, how much they care about football,

734
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: how serious they take this Like this is not some

735
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: scool Around half the teams in the league. I mean,

736
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: some of their best players are not dependable guys on

737
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: a seven day week basis. That is not the case

738
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: with the Kansas Chiefs. It's not the case of the

739
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. It's why these teams are kind of

740
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: consistently winning, right And obviously the Chiefs have that added

741
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: element with Mahomes, which is kind of their trump card

742
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: right now. But the football character that was on display

743
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: in this game was something I would imagine every GM

744
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: when they go in a couple weeks, the combine is

745
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: going to go. You start interviewing these guys because it

746
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 2: is easy. It's like, well, look at how many plays

747
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: this guy can make well, he's got about seven red

748
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: flags is offensive coordinator. College wasn't a big fan and

749
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: they don't overlook that stuff or they make sure that

750
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: like that's a non negotiable because you get in the

751
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: fourth quarter in overtime, your twenty first game of the season,

752
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: If you're not locked in, if you're not into it,

753
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: if you haven't been training all year long, you have

754
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: no shot, you have no shot. And that's the one

755
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: thing Andy, you know, who's always been he had a

756
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: little Ale Davis to him at moments in his career

757
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: that they are not screwing around in Kansas City with

758
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: guys that just are like that. I mean, they do

759
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: not have a guy on the team who's some huge

760
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: red flag. And the other thing is they get guys

761
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: from culture. Look at MBS is a good example. Come

762
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: from the Packers and played in a lot of big games. Yeah,

763
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: he had some drops. Now granted they didn't have a

764
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: lot of other options, and they said, Tony, they took

765
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: a flyer on that right a couple of years ago

766
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: because they were pretty desperate. Where's Tony now nowhere to

767
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 2: be seen? Like, oh, we're just done. You're saying all

768
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: this moronic stuff. You're dropping. See you, You're not even

769
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: We're not even giving you a helmet anymore. Right, And

770
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 2: they just put a lot of teams would struggle because

771
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: they need that speed. He's definitely one of the more

772
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: talented players. You talk to them, they say, you should

773
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: see this guy in practice. I can't trust them and

774
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: in a game like to listen because you're gonna have

775
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey at a fumble today, right, You're you're gonna

776
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: have great players, are gonna screw up. But can I

777
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: trust you in the biggest moments. I thought today, for

778
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: the most part, why I like this game so much.

779
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: All the best players were making plays, Guys that had

780
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: developed over the years were making plays. And both coaches,

781
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: both coaching staffs, beside a couple of little things by

782
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 2: the Niners, were pretty excellent. Yeah.

783
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the things I feel

784
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: bad because I have a friend You're obviously you have

785
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: connections to the Niners. I have a couple of friends

786
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: that are big Niner fans, and this one hurts.

787
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: This one hurts.

788
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: I know it does, because you out played it. You

789
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: were the better team for most of the game. I

790
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: thought you got Mahomes. You know you got tigered when

791
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: he went through that ten year you know, you know he.

792
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: Just did it. What are you gonna do?

793
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? He's hitting irons out of

794
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: the rough to eighty. You know, what are you gonna do?

795
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: So I kind of look at the thing that can't

796
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: be overlooked. I thought Fred Warner was spectacular. I thought

797
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: Boso was spectacular. I thought my cat Free was spectacular.

798
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: I know it's really painful, but I thought Moody. I

799
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: mean it's I know what you just say, it's a game.

800
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: But when you draft him as high as you do,

801
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: you know, some real place, you get two fifty plus

802
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: yard field goals. I mean, going into the off season,

803
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: John Lynch is validated.

804
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: Feel very good about it, for sure.

805
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think the way Purty played, the way

806
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: Moody kicked, you gotta feel good. I mean, God, it's

807
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: just I'm not sure if I've ever felt worse for

808
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl losing team.

809
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: Why. Romo mentioned this on the broadcast that when they

810
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: were talking to Fred Fritz, I'm not just the heart

811
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: and soul of the defense. I'm the heart and soul

812
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: of the team. Like I understand that that's my role.

813
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: It's pretty telling when they went to overtime. You know,

814
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: when the game starts, they send seventeen players each out

815
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: there for the coin flip, right, eight Chiefs, eight nine Ers.

816
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: In overtime, one of the great quarterbacks of all time

817
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: goes out there, and the forty nine Ers send their linebacker, right,

818
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: And that's ideally you would send your quarterback as well. Right,

819
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: this is Peyton versus Brady or Rogers was Brady. But

820
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: I mean the Niners aren't gonna send Purty out there,

821
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: so and and that kind of you know, at the

822
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: end of the day, like you would, you always want

823
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: to be the team. Like I don't blame the nine

824
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: Ers sending Fred Warner. He's on a Hall of Fame trajectory.

825
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: He's an all time great player, is one of the

826
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: great players in the history of the franchise. But like, ideally,

827
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: in that moment, the heart and soul of your team,

828
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: the heart and soul of the Patriots for you know,

829
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 2: twenty plus years, was Tom Brady the heart and soul

830
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: of every Peyton manning team, the warrior. Yeah, and it's

831
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: just you send your your lineback. He can only do

832
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: so much, and he was. He made play after play,

833
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: He's covered Kelsey one on one in the corner of

834
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: the end zone with a game online. But that was

835
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: and I don't expect them to send brock Purty, but

836
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: that was a moment like this is we're sending one guy.

837
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: This guy's carrying our franchise. You don't even I beant.

838
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: Kyle didn't even hesitate Fred go right. I mean, it's

839
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: just you just know, right, you would send Michael Jordan,

840
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 2: you would send Steph Curry, you would send Derek Jeter,

841
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: and the forty nine ers sent a middle linebacker, just

842
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: like the Ravens over the ar they would send Ray Lewis. Ideally,

843
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: you send your quarterback. And that was the difference in

844
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: the game. Is Mahomes I mean on that fourth down

845
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: when he kept it and Bosam went on the run

846
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: and he ran, It's like he doesn't get the credit

847
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: for being this mobile guy. And then when he runs,

848
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: you're like, well, he may not be as fast as

849
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, but he's not that much slower. You know,

850
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: he makes runs when you cause he doesn't play that

851
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 2: way that often, and he never you know, with Lamar's

852
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: running by guys Josh's run over guys. He doesn't want

853
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: to do that. He wants to throw, but when he

854
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: has to, you go, oh, yeah, that's the athlete of

855
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: a former Big leaguer, Like you see, he's an elite

856
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: human athlete, right. Yeah.

857
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: You don't usually have a spy on Mahomes, but I

858
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: almost think going I watched this game today and I thought,

859
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: you almost now have to have a spy on fourth

860
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: down on Mahomes, Like that's just how you have to

861
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: defend him. Just too often he takes it over. And

862
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: I thought, where I thought Shanahan and Andy Reid are

863
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: really good is one of the things that will dry.

864
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: And I try not to beat up on coaches for

865
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: play calling. I don't know who's healthy, I don't know

866
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: who's hurt. I don't know what the film says. Sometimes

867
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, shit happens the middle of a game and

868
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: you just can't use somebody.

869
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: What if your best play is against their best player,

870
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: you know you don't feel great about it.

871
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: I thought both coaches in the biggest moments, McCaffrey, Debo, Kelsey, Mahomes, Pacheco,

872
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: the coaching on display every time there was a big play,

873
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: like Tony Romo said it. You think they're not going

874
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: to give it to Mahomes. You weren't going to hand

875
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: this to a seventh round running back, and we in

876
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: Isaiah Pacheco was really good. But I you know, I

877
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: just I look at my notes and I sit down

878
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: here and I think, and I think, my heart breaks

879
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: for San Francisco they played. So I have these notes.

880
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: Warner Bosa, Jesus, what a half Bosa first half? MVP.

881
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: You know, it was ten three at half and Kansas

882
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: City only had one good drive in the first half.

883
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: It was the last drive and they settled for a

884
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: field goal. That not that I didn't because I always

885
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: think they make adjustments, but I did think after they

886
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: drove down the field and they got a field goal,

887
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, they're only down ten to three.

888
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: They got to move the ball on that first drive,

889
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: like they got to get field goal position back. I

890
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: thought a big part of this game. I thought Kansas

891
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: City felt like they were pinned.

892
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: I thought two huge plays in the game because the

893
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: first series of the game, the forty nine ers drove

894
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: the ball right down their throat and you're like, they're

895
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: gonna score a touchdown, and then McCaffrey, who feels like

896
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: never has anything wrong happened, become fumble and then the

897
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: Niners kind of thoroughly out playing him throughout the game.

898
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: And then the punt bounces off the dude's foot and

899
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: Ray Ray has to try to dive on it, and

900
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: it just and there was another fumble by a Chief

901
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: that went right into a Chief. And there were a

902
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: couple of little breaks that could have opened the forty

903
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: nine ers and kind of gave them some breathing room

904
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: that they definitely would have needed against my Mahmes that

905
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: just didn't happen and went the other way. And the Chiefs,

906
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: I mean, have clearly proven that if you give them

907
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: life and you do not separate, because fourteen points, if

908
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: you would have got up a couple scores against the

909
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: Chiefs with the way the Niners defense was playing, they

910
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: would have been in good shape. But they could never

911
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: extend that lead. And they had a couple of moments

912
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: where it's like, if you just make this an eleven

913
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: point game a fourteen point game, the Chiefs offense is

914
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: not good that they are just a remarkable play caller

915
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: and a great quarterback, and Kelsey can make a play here.

916
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: They're there, but it's not like Kelsey had ten for

917
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: Buck fifty today and they couldn't do it in one

918
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: area all season long. When the Niners will win a

919
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: lot of their big games, they scored a lot of touchdowns,

920
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: and I think it gets back to that inability to

921
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: break tackles, the inability for big plays. I mean, they're

922
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: pretty dependent on Juwan Jennings. Think about that, Like, it's

923
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: not like Deebo was going nuts. Kittle was borderline non existent.

924
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: Beside he had one big catch I think on the

925
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: fourth down. But they were very, very dependent on their

926
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: third wide receiver, which to me, I'm not Belichick when

927
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: it comes x his nose, but that has to speak

928
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: to Spagnola taking away their main guys, you know, getting

929
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: up there in Deebo. Deebo is not exactly Marvin Harrison

930
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: as a route runner, I you kiss, but they're so

931
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: physical at the line with their corners that it's hard.

932
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: And then Chris Jones getting some much pressure and he'll blitz.

933
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: Purty doesn't have that long to get him the ball

934
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 2: in those deeper breaking routes. So they kind of got

935
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: to want I mean, think for the forty nine er

936
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: score one of their touchdowns they had to do. I mean,

937
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 2: Kyle Sanna is not exactly a trick play guy had

938
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: to do like a triple pass. Yeah, back to McCaffrey.

939
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: So that kind of shows that. Like you said, I

940
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: don't think this Chiefs defense because of the play caller

941
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: and the head coach. Some of those great Bill Walsh

942
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 2: teams were all time great defenses, but no one talks

943
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: about him like that because you get overshadowed. Last night

944
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 2: I checked Chicago Bulls like one of the great defensive

945
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: teams of all time. But all we talk about is

946
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: the offense this Chiefs team, and I would imagine Andy

947
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: and Veitch. Andy doesn't drink, but you know when they're

948
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: eating a cheeseburger and hanging out, they know how special

949
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: that unit was because they were They were dominant this

950
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: last month. I mean dominant, dominant.

951
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean and the linebackers again, you just don't know

952
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: who they are, but they're there. I would I think

953
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: they have the best corners in the league. I think

954
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: they have the best young linebackers in the league. They

955
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: don't have a Fred Warner Rokwan Smith.

956
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: I just the ather d Lineman play hard that you've

957
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: never heard.

958
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Of, never heard of.

959
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: So it is.

960
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: God, I love this game. It is you know I

961
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: was thinking about this, is that streaming Netflix takes over retail,

962
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: Amazon takes over theme parks, Disney takes over all those

963
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: things were up for grabs at some point in the process, right,

964
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter if it's banking or it's football.

965
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: Is if you look at Brady Belichick, Mahomes and Andy Reid,

966
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: is it's Tiger in his like twelve year run. Micholson's

967
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: got six more majors without Tiger. And before people say

968
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: well Lamar, Lamar can't do this, or you know, Kyle

969
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: Shanahan can't do this, we are looking Brady and Mahomes

970
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: have just put a lot of people on the shelf.

971
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: Think about this, What did Big Ben his last eight

972
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: ten years? Like he just disappeared into the ether and

973
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: he had great defenses and great receivers Levy and Bell

974
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: is I feel bad for the sport because you know,

975
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: like I watch Brady win so many close games over

976
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: more talented Ravens teams or a more talented Bronco Temera,

977
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: and well, I just I look at this Kansas City team.

978
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: It's almost discouraging because everybody around the team's going, well, shit,

979
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: they don't even have a number one receiver. I mean,

980
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: Rice really to me feels like a great two, but

981
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: can be a one. I mean, if I said to you,

982
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: like I liked what Baltimore did this year, I don't know.

983
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: I like.

984
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: I look at football right now, it would not shock

985
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: me if both of these teams are back big squishes average.

986
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: You know, the thing I've always admired about Tom Brady,

987
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: about Tiger in his prime, about great people in business,

988
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: is no matter how much money, no matter how much

989
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: they success, they have the ability to maintain the discipline

990
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: of what got you there because the wind always blows

991
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: the strongest of the top of the mountain, right. And

992
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: that's what Tiger and I would say Brady defined over

993
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: their careers is their work ethic. After unlimited money, unlimited success,

994
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: unlimited fame, everyone that were ever around him was like that.

995
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: They never it was insane how hard they worked. And

996
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: that gets back to Mahomes like I have seen it

997
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: with Andy. He's the hardest working guy I've ever seen.

998
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: He's like a machine. But it doesn't matter how a

999
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: lot of coaches work hard. You have to have it

1000
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: in your players. And I think one thing when you

1001
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: have Patrick Mahomes, who's wired pretty clearly now, like he'd

1002
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: already won a couple, and the way he turned it

1003
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 2: on this season after kind of going through the mud

1004
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: against the Raiders on that Christmas Day game, I think

1005
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: was pretty definitive. This is the most incredible stretch of

1006
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: his career, right, this is the defining moment of We've

1007
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: seen all the crazy throws, we've seen the no look passes,

1008
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: we've seen the fifty yard bombs. We know he's a champion,

1009
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 2: but when you win it like this, when everyone's gunning

1010
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: for you and for the first time, like a lot

1011
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 2: of obviously a lot of the money was on the Chiefs,

1012
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: right I mean, the books took him bath today the

1013
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: last two games. A lot of people rightfully so. And

1014
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the Chiefs, I was told, did they

1015
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: thought that that Baltimore defense is the best unit that

1016
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: they had faced over this run top to bottom, just

1017
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: that defense? Right? So them getting past that group, it

1018
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: was like, obviously they knew the Niners were really good.

1019
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: I mean they expected that technically were the underdog in

1020
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: this game, but that ability to be unphazed after winning

1021
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 2: a championship and to maintain that level of wark ethic

1022
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: is how like Michael Jordan just wanted more, Tiger wanted.

1023
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: A lot of guys don't. A lot of guys like, eah, cool,

1024
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: I've wanted. I'm super rich. Like shit, I'll just go

1025
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: kick it.

1026
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: You know, John, I was told this year's ago, how

1027
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: do you handle success? Everybody handles losing the same way.

1028
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: They're pissed and they work harder. How do you handle success?

1029
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: A lot of guys don't handle it well. A lot

1030
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: of people, like in society is stockbroker has a good year,

1031
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: he blows the money. He look up two years he's

1032
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: it's not putting the effort in. So to me, you've

1033
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: had success, look at you. You work hard. It drives you.

1034
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people in my business. In football,

1035
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: they have some brief success and they cash out. They

1036
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: get their Bentley, they get their second home. You know,

1037
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: they got twenty eight million in the bank. Your football player,

1038
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: take care of your mom whatever. Really a defining the

1039
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: two defining characteristics of most great anything, Tiger MJ is

1040
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: a resiliency. You know, I tell my kids all the time,

1041
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: go watch that Michael Jordan ten part documentary Best Looking Player,

1042
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: best Player, best coach, but best number two. Robin it

1043
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: was hard he's battling is GM his owner Dennis Rodman.

1044
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: It's hard. He was getting tackled by the Pistons and

1045
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: the Celtics. Resiliency, I mean Mahomes has had to overcome

1046
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: two offensive line rebuilds. He's got a father that's had

1047
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: some embarrassing public moments, a brother that's fairly high maintenance.

1048
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: I mean people are a wife who likes the limelight, now.

1049
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: Yeah a little bit. Yeah, So it's Mahomes has shown

1050
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: an amazing resilience to social life, family life, fame. It's

1051
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: just incredibly resilient. Multiple rebuilt O line, receiving core. He

1052
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: just can handle it. And another thing is I mean

1053
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: he makes forty five million dollars a year endorsements. I've

1054
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: been told more than that. It used to be twenty

1055
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: years ago football players. I remember watching Donovan McNabb get

1056
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: a soup commercial. I was like, oh, I've never seen

1057
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: an NFL guy get a commercial outside of like a

1058
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: local truck dealer. The guy's making forty five to fifty

1059
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: five million year in endorsements and it's just it's important

1060
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: to him. He wants to be respected. But I think

1061
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: the two great things are resiliency and how do you

1062
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: handle winning? And you know, you party, you have a

1063
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: great weekend, and then you get back to f and

1064
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: work four days later, and that seems you know, there's

1065
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: this I always hear this, Oh, this toxic masculinity, this

1066
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: sort of toxic people who are obsessed with working. That's

1067
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: what all the great people do in every industry. It

1068
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: just it's a defining trait.

1069
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: Well, I get asked so much now that I do

1070
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 2: this is like advice, and my number one advice always

1071
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: is you gotta find what you like doing because you're

1072
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: gonna end up working so much that it's so much

1073
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: easier to work hard when you like what you're doing.

1074
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: And I think this speaks to why Patrick Mahone, a

1075
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: lot of the great athletes, Mahomes, Brady Tiger, they loved

1076
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: their sport. Andy Reid is a if football was crack,

1077
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: he'd be a crack addict. He loves football like it's

1078
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: his life.

1079
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: Means like Jim Harball, Yeah.

1080
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: It's it's most coaches, right, Kyle Shanahan, Shom mcvage. They

1081
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 2: are addicted to football. You could not work the hours

1082
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: you have to work without loving it. That's why would

1083
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: I work in the NFL. It's like, hey, you know,

1084
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: I like other sports. I like doing others. There's other

1085
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: elements that I don't like it as much as they do.

1086
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: They Rett Veach is addicted to football. And I think

1087
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: this speaks to when the combine comes around in the draft,

1088
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: the character of the guys, because you think McDuffie's gonna

1089
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: try any less harder, no super high character guy. They

1090
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: know they feel very Kelsey all these years. But the

1091
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: Kelsey brothers are great examples how much they enjoy playing football.

1092
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: Most of football is not the super Bowl. It's for

1093
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: the next nine months working out. OTA's training, eating right,

1094
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: not doing things, turning things down because you gotta you

1095
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: gotta train, you gotta work. You get such a small

1096
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: for all the money you have. You have ninety million dollars.

1097
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: That's the other thing. So he's making forty five on

1098
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 2: the field, forty five off. He's twenty seven to twenty eight.

1099
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine percent of humans would take the

1100
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: foot off the gas. It's human nature. It doesn't feel

1101
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: he's phased at all by it, and a lot of

1102
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: these guys I give a lot of you, Josh Allen, Lamar,

1103
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: I think it's impressive for all the top players in

1104
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: the NFL. I think the league, and I've always defended this,

1105
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: the percentage of guys that get in trouble, that the

1106
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: league is full of the highest character, hardest working. If

1107
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: they weren't in the NFL, they would be so successful

1108
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: in whatever they were doing.

1109
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: I thought about that. I've thought about that before in

1110
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: most poor leagues, but I mean, the NFL is are

1111
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: very much a domestic league. How lucky is this league?

1112
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: It was such a great story a seventh rounder and

1113
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: then Mahomes, How lucky is this league? If you said,

1114
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: and I've defended Lamar Jackson on this, that kid gets

1115
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: so pissed when he loses. He wants it so bad,

1116
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: he wants it so bad. But think about the quarterbacks

1117
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: in the league. Now, the top ones Josh Allen, Herbert Mahomes, Lamar,

1118
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurds like Burrow Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, like they're just

1119
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 1: great guys.

1120
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 2: And then the cousins that kind of crew.

1121
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: And then then you get these stories like you know,

1122
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: Brock Purdy, there's so many different ways to be a

1123
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: quarterback in this league now. And the great thing about

1124
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: brock Purty is that it will He'll get guys drafted.

1125
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: I mean, people will start taking six and seven round

1126
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because you become It's like I thought, Russell Wilson

1127
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: got Kyler Murray, Johnny Manziel Baker. Mayfield's like, yeah, they're

1128
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: a little short. Is that? I think the league's really lucky.

1129
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: And now that's not to say the NBA has bad guys,

1130
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 1: but a lot of their greatest players, they're more mature players,

1131
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: are international players because they play with men. When these

1132
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: kids are like fifteen sixty, they play with men. You

1133
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: have to grow up very quickly. Our domestic players. It's

1134
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: more of an AAU, a little more juvenile basketball operation

1135
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: or like international basketball. So many of the great players

1136
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: in the NBA, though great people, they're they're international players.

1137
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: Are guys you know you watch them for three or

1138
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: four years they come into this league. There's not many.

1139
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: There's not many knuckleheads. There's good guys.

1140
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: You get weeded out so fast because how hard it

1141
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 2: is you really do because the majority of the week

1142
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: is not playing. Playing is easy, Like if baseball, you

1143
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: get to play every day. In basketball, you play every

1144
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: other day unless you're a star, then you play once

1145
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 2: a week. In football, you get one game. And that's

1146
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: the fun part. Ray Lewis, you pay me Monday through Saturday.

1147
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: Sundays are for free. The games are fun, but most

1148
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: of it is not. You're not just lifting, you're lifting

1149
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: hard hard to eating. The discipline of food. If you're

1150
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: a big guy, if you ever play with the older

1151
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: offensive lineman, like what you played offensive line in the league,

1152
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: he weighs like two forty, He's like, yeah, I used

1153
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 2: to have to eat ten thousand calories a day during training,

1154
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: Like it's not easy to do that. Jason Kelsey is

1155
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 2: a good example. He's naturally probably two hundred and sixty pounds,

1156
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: but he has to carry that three hundred. You have

1157
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: to maintain that with food. It's not always fun, Like

1158
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 2: I like to eat, but not on that level. It's

1159
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: a very very and then the physical element of the sport.

1160
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: I mean, you just get how many times today, I

1161
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: know I held my breath half the Niners when they

1162
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: got tackled. Every time Christian McCaffrey goes down, Like God,

1163
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: I hope he gets up Deebo Samuel, like God, I

1164
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: hope he gets because the collisions in this game. I

1165
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: saw Lewis Riddick talking about this this week. He said that,

1166
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: you know, back when they played in the in the

1167
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: eighties and nineties of John lynch Day's it was obviously

1168
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: much more physical and much more reckless, but it was

1169
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: guys weren't The training was a lot different. You know,

1170
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 2: there was drinking and it's just now you were much

1171
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: more likely to get killed nowadays, the training, I mean,

1172
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: all these guys are the lean muscle mass they have.

1173
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: I mean they're just purely muscle and they've never been faster.

1174
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 2: So if they didn't regulate the hits out of the game,

1175
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you would have some serious injuries because there

1176
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: are collisions. Now. I love physical football. I grew up

1177
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: on that type football and I miss it. Sometimes the

1178
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: game is still when it matters, really physical. The level

1179
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: in which these corners and safeties all tackled, they all

1180
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: wait for the combine how many guys, how many dbs

1181
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 2: wide receivers, running backs and safeties don't run four four

1182
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: or four five. If you run four five five, we're

1183
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: like hey slow. You know, back in the day, A

1184
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: lot of guys playing in the NFL run four to seven.

1185
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: That that difference when you factor in a little extra

1186
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: muscle mass and you're running from four to seven to

1187
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 2: four four eight, that collision hits a little harder. And

1188
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: I listen, I miss those days. But I do think

1189
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: that the biggest in the biggest games this league is

1190
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: still about physicality and tackling.

1191
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's I thought. You know, it's one of the

1192
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: things about the NFL that I think you and I

1193
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: appreciate this is that I think it's a really well

1194
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: run league, and I think it's easy. A lot of

1195
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: people in the media, a lot of newspaper people tend

1196
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: to be precious and they're.

1197
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: Kind of getting crushed. Last week he was getting destroyed.

1198
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: What are we talking about. People just don't understand everything

1199
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: is up. They handled, uh, you know, the Kaepernick situation.

1200
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: They move are not easy for le Black Lives Matter,

1201
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: those are those are big social movements. Those are not

1202
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: easy to navigate. And I think about seventy percent of players,

1203
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: NFL players African American, He's navigated that. Players like him,

1204
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: corporations like him. They're you know, I know, having talked

1205
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: to people at networks. They're tough, but rightfully so you

1206
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: out a product you want. But if you start looking

1207
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: at how smart they've been with moving, extending the draft,

1208
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: moving free agency, putting stuff on Christmas. You know, I

1209
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: saw the NBA trade deadline was during a Super Bowl week?

1210
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What the what the f are

1211
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: you doing? Baseball gives it to Wards like two months

1212
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: after the season. They don't give him on the same day.

1213
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: There's no buzz, like it's all of a sudden, out

1214
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: of the blue. You're like, that guy won the American

1215
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: League MVP. Like in four days later, that guy won't

1216
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: come back Player of the Year. It's like, the hell

1217
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: are you doing here? The NFL has done a remarkable

1218
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: job to own the calendar. I mean, if I was baseball,

1219
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: the there's an opening. Sean McVay didn't play starters. It worked.

1220
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: Now nobody plays starters. The preseason's dead. NFL's cut a game,

1221
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: They may cut another game. It's just dead. Baseball. August

1222
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: is wide open. They'll never move on it. It's wide open.

1223
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: Guys like you and me, we take August off. It's

1224
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: like an off month. If you shorten baseball by one

1225
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty games and you start playoffs like August eighth,

1226
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: you own the month. That's what football would do. That's

1227
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: what he watched the NBA get this big marketing day

1228
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: when everybody's home on Christmas and Goodell's like, no, we're

1229
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: moving games. So when I look at the NFL, there's

1230
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons. It's popular, scarcity, gambling, but it's

1231
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: really it's made everything else niche and they don't they

1232
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: navigate politics. They're good to their players, but don't pander

1233
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: and coddle. They've got mobility but also loyalty, and I

1234
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: think they manipulate the calendar. And when I see these

1235
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: people get on Roger Goodell. I've had drinks with him

1236
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: once in dinner. He's really a good listener. He's just

1237
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: always what do you think. I remember I had him

1238
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: on the show like several years ago. It was before

1239
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with New England and Philly, and I said, Commissioner,

1240
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: I love your sport. I don't know what a catch is.

1241
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand what a catches. And he literally said

1242
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: in the air he goes Colin, it's a big problem

1243
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: that super Bowl. They literally switched it for the Supermember

1244
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: there were a couple of juggling catches by the Eagles

1245
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: in the end zone. They were touchdowns. And I don't know,

1246
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: I just when I when I look at the NFL

1247
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: in my business, you got to talk about it about

1248
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: sixty five percent of the time. I think it's I

1249
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: don't even know what the hole is like. I think

1250
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: it's a brilliant league and incredibly well run.

1251
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: You could argue that you could talk about it eighty

1252
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: eighty five percent of the time and not skip a beat.

1253
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 2: I thought the criticism for him and a lot of

1254
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 2: big Big Jay's they were very, very angry at Roger

1255
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: holding this press conference. I didn't question, like, no one cares.

1256
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 2: The average fan does not care what Roger's saying. The

1257
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: other thing is no one asotiated with the NFL players, coaches, executives, owners,

1258
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 2: people like us that talk about it have ever had

1259
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: more success because of the popularity of this sport. Yet,

1260
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: if you just pull the average person that writes about

1261
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: the NFL, they would say Roger sucks. And on the

1262
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: flip side, they would say Adam Silver is great. And listen,

1263
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: maybe it goes back to he doesn't playkate with them.

1264
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: He doesn't text many of them. Maybe I've never met

1265
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: the guy. I don't have any dog in the fight. Beside,

1266
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: I like football. But the league, think about how about

1267
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: this week is a good example. They were very very

1268
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Speaker 2: against Vegas for a long period of time. My father

1269
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 2: works for a big farmer back in the seventies that

1270
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: bought a Vegas casino, the maxim Do you remember that?

1271
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: When you got there in a gun bankrupt and he

1272
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: had bought it. And when he bought it, the guy

1273
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: comes up to him and says, Jack, we got three

1274
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: or four rooms with basically the equivalent of Joe Peshi,

1275
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: roberts Niro and Ray Liota. They don't pay. I would

1276
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: just let them be those mob guys, right and they

1277
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: I guess forever seventies eighties is probably shady. You go

1278
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: there now it's corporate America s and P. Five hundred.

1279
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 2: It is normal business. And what have the NFL done?

1280
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 2: They shifted right there and that's that Vegas super Bowl

1281
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 2: should happen every four years, Max. I mean, you talk

1282
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: about a perfect place. It's made for that. And now

1283
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: they have the how awesome did that Super Bowl look

1284
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 2: on television in that in that stadium? And they listened.

1285
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: They were very at adamant anti Vegas. Remember Tony got

1286
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: in trouble and then the laws changed and they quickly

1287
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: pivoted and they moved a team there and they've never

1288
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: looked back.

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01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, and that's what people I talked to.

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01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: I have always been partial to Miami because it's just

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01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: such a walk around on Ocean Avenue and it's warm

1292
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: Ocean Ocean Drive, and then I think it's Collins Drive

1293
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: or whatever is behind it. I love just walking and

1294
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: by the way, it's it's it's like South America. It's

1295
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: cold and the rest of the country. It's even cold

1296
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: in California, Dallas, and then it's warmed out in Miami.

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Speaker 1: But I always thought Miami did the best job. And

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01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is more than capable. But La is a

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01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: big city. In traffic's an issue, traffic downtown because of

1300
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: that F one race. It really f the traffic. Vegas

1301
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: has never had great traffic. But you know the other

1302
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: thing is about the Super Bowl in Las Vegas. Go

1303
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: look up the twenty biggest hotels in America eighteen or

1304
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: in Vegas. You go to these places like the MGM,

1305
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: the biggest hotel in most American cities may have six

1306
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty rooms. These things have like eight thousand.

1307
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: I stayed on the sixty fifth floor at the Cosmo.

1308
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how many rooms the Cosmo has,

1309
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 2: but to do the math, there's got to be a lot.

1310
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: So the city's just uniquely built. You know, I've said

1311
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: this for years. We don't move around Marty Gras, New

1312
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: Year's Rock and Eve. We don't move around a lot

1313
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: of the awards that we see on TV and radio.

1314
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: You don't have to move everything. I mean, this idea

1315
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: that we should have cold weather super Bowls. You can't

1316
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: put a super Bowl. We tried it in Jacksonville for

1317
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: christ Sake. I was there. They had to bring in chips.

1318
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: There was nowhere to sleep. I mean, have they were

1319
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: having local They had to call in three thousand taxi

1320
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: drivers from like Miami. In Orlando. It was an as show.

1321
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: Put it in VI.

1322
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: If I said the super Bowl, if I said the

1323
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: super Bowl was there five straight years, would anyone complain?

1324
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: I don't think they would. It's just you don't never

1325
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: need to go outside. It's just it's uniquely equipped for that. Yeah.

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01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: No, I thought Vegas crushed. I thought Goodell had another

1327
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: good year. They just navigate all the turbulence and social issues.

1328
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if the same two teams are

1329
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: back here. I okay, so let's do this. Let's I

1330
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: thought Romo and Nance did have a good game. You know,

1331
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: it's funny. I don't they're going to move the deck chairs.

1332
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: I think the CBS pregame show there wasn't a memorable moment.

1333
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: They're all nice guys, but I didn't have a lot

1334
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: of oomph. To me, it's kind of Fox has had

1335
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: that crew. It's like TNT basketball. It's just better than

1336
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: the ESPN. What are you gonna say, it's Barkley at Shack,

1337
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: it's Kenny Attorney. I think the Fox crew's been doing it.

1338
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1339
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: It's a little older in the tooth, but it's just good.

1340
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: It's been good for a long time. It's smartly produced

1341
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: Bill Richards, it's great pieces, funny enough, and the CBS

1342
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: crew's okay to me, NBC at Night very okay to me.

1343
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 2: Ah terrible.

1344
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not avail you, but I thought Romo and

1345
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: Nance were pretty good. I think Nance is great, and

1346
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Tony is just kind of a

1347
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: squarely fun personality. Tony's the kind of guy that if

1348
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: you went out golfing with him, you'd.

1349
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: Have a ball.

1350
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: He'd tell you a million stories, and sometimes he can

1351
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: be a little bit loose. But I thought he did.

1352
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: I thought he was. I thought it was one of

1353
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: Tony's Romo's better broadcasts. I thought he started calling things

1354
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: very quickly.

1355
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1356
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: One of the things he kept saying is you know,

1357
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: he'd be like, oh this this drive hurts, or he

1358
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: kept saying I thought it was really smart. He goes,

1359
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: okay that whatever you just saw there, that was a

1360
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: designed Shanahan play. He was calling that throughout the game.

1361
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: He would give the coach credit, not just the player.

1362
01:06:59,520 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: And that's it.

1363
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: There's a distinction there that we always give the quarterback credit.

1364
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: And he would say with like at the end, he's like,

1365
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: that's an Andy Reid play. Mahomes is great, that's an

1366
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: Andy Reid play. So I what is your take? I

1367
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: think Nansen Romo are fine. I do think once he

1368
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: signed that seventeen million dollars a year contract, he became

1369
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: a target, and once you're a target, it's hard.

1370
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: I think he got pigeonholed in the lane if he

1371
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 2: calls the plays, which is not a sustainable thing to do.

1372
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 2: And I think it is hard to be the goofier

1373
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: guy if you're not a little older. You know, John

1374
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 2: Madden when he started calling games by the time I

1375
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 2: was a kid, was in his fifties right or sixties.

1376
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: Gruden was already this massive personality by the time he

1377
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: got the booth. When I think about Troy Aikman, I

1378
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 2: think guy like he'll crush some people. Troykman's kind of

1379
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: an old school bat. He has that definitive lane and

1380
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 2: people kind of like that because a lot of announcers,

1381
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: the former players, they won't really be critical. Troy has

1382
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: no problem doing that. That's why that's mice. I enjoy that.

1383
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 2: Collins Worth is just one of those unique guys that

1384
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 2: I don't remember a play he ever made because by

1385
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 2: the time he was already retired by the time I

1386
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: was probably ten. But he's just good. And you watch

1387
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 2: Tony sometimes against Lucy Becaus not really my style because

1388
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 2: he's never gonna be that critical on moments where it's

1389
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 2: like okay, Tony. But if you're not gonna do that,

1390
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: you have to do something else, and he kind of

1391
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: lost his fastball once he stopped doing the plays, and

1392
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 2: people thought he was starting getting the lazy because what's

1393
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: he doing. He's never going, well, that's a terrible call

1394
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 2: when it obviously is. I think most people that sit

1395
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 2: on their couch now we've all watched a lot of football.

1396
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: Some stuff's pretty obvious. And when the announcers refuse because

1397
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: they're everybody's friends, they know these coaches, it's not that enjoyable, right,

1398
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: Why does Colin Coward have success? You're opinionated, You see something,

1399
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 2: you say it, and I think Tony was very hesitant

1400
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 2: to do that. In fairness to Peyton Manning, he's like, listen,

1401
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to be critical, so he doesn't call

1402
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:46,759
Speaker 2: the games. Really he just does the thing with Eli.

1403
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna sit in that chair, if you're

1404
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 2: gonna be Tom, it's gonna be hard. Like Tom, people

1405
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 2: are gonna want to hear you say that's a terrible

1406
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: play call because we watched you play and we know

1407
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 2: that's your style. Like you get mad and Peyton does it.

1408
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: Actually sometimes do any immediate kind of goes viral because

1409
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,879
Speaker 2: people like that, and I think Tony's always really struggle

1410
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 2: with that. Even day tries to play nice with both

1411
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: guys like Jim, I think you should go forward a year.

1412
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: They just just pick a lane, go and it's okay

1413
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 2: if you're wrong. But I think he's always very offen.

1414
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 2: He's always very hesitant. It feels like to offend the

1415
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: coach because he knows these guys well. They all text him,

1416
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 2: these buddies with them, and that, to me is my criticism.

1417
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 2: He just won't say stuff when it's pretty obvious. Sometimes

1418
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 2: I don't care about the play calls. I like having

1419
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: a little fun whatever, but just say that was a

1420
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,839
Speaker 2: terrible freaking call, Jim. That cannot happen in that situation.

1421
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 2: He's just never gonna where Troy. I would say, Troy,

1422
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 2: especially once Tony's got a lot of money, has no

1423
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 2: problem laying the law down and people enjoy that. Yeah.

1424
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: So I think, to me, if I had to pick

1425
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: a play, the play of the game, to me, it's

1426
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: the third quarter, the San Francisco fumble punt which allows

1427
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: Mahomes next play touchdown thirteen to ten. I felt like

1428
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: until that point, I thought San Francisco not only had

1429
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: the physical momentum, the emotional momentum game. I thought just

1430
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: they were the better team. I did think that was

1431
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: the moment of the game. And San Francisco came back,

1432
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: but I did think that put pressure on Purty, That

1433
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: put pressure on a chance. Okay, now you trail Mahomes.

1434
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: Now they responded very well, but to me, to me,

1435
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: it was sort of a defining play. It was like

1436
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: you looked up and went, Kansas City leads. They're getting

1437
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: out played significantly, and I in that moment, I thought, Okay,

1438
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna win this game. They're gonna figure out a

1439
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: way to do it. That's my defining moment of the game.

1440
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: Third quarter. Is there one for you?

1441
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: I would say there were multiple moments where the Niners

1442
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 2: had a chance to basically hold them to field goals

1443
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 2: and or super long field goals, and Andy and Mahomes

1444
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: dialed up the perfect play and they got a twenty

1445
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 2: yard game to Kelsey across the middle. They got that

1446
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 2: long play to Rice. And when I think this season,

1447
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: when it comes to Andy and Holmes, was not about

1448
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 2: the seventy yard bombs, was not really about the highlight

1449
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: package that will define Mahomes's early career. It was about

1450
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 2: doing the stuff Tom Brady and Peyton Manning did that,

1451
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: Joe Montana did that, Troy Aikman did did ultimately wins

1452
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 2: you games. This to me, this defining stretch, but specifically

1453
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 2: today was about kind of the boring cliche winning football,

1454
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: and it was we know you're bringing the house here.

1455
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 2: We're going one on one cover with a linebacker that's

1456
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: not gonna be able to cover, and we're gonna get

1457
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 2: Kelsey in space. He's gonna get a big game. And

1458
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: it's gonna be the momentum shift of that play on

1459
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 2: third and seven where Butker might have to kick a

1460
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: forty eight yard field goal. Now we're first and ten

1461
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: of the thirteen yard line and you're just like, oh

1462
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: my god, they're going to win the game. And they

1463
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: did that multiple times a day in the fourth quarter

1464
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: and obviously in overtime. I think I feel like they

1465
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 2: did it multiple times in overtime. Well, big Rice first down,

1466
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: a big Mahomes run that was just you know, not

1467
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: every play with Michael Jordan were fade away game winning jumpers.

1468
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 2: There was just a lot of winning basketball. Some of

1469
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 2: Tiger's stuff was just he got up and down when

1470
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 2: he had to do on whole fourteen when no one

1471
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 2: was paying attention to most guys bogie and they did

1472
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Today is the highest level of football, right,

1473
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: Brett Fahv. All the great players, you know, the physical

1474
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: guys can make this spectacular play Steph Curry the other night,

1475
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 2: but he does so much other stuff that's winning. And today,

1476
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 2: like I thought, Mahomes and Andy were just so dialed

1477
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: in when it mattered the most. What a special listen

1478
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 2: I've known Andy now fifteen, What a great moment for him,

1479
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: you know, back to back Super Bowls. Not many guys

1480
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: in the history of the league. And like I said,

1481
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the great five six

1482
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 2: year runs in my lifetime of just a team do

1483
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: it multiple different ways. Like remember some of those Yankee

1484
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 2: teams right in the late nineties, they weren't all the same.

1485
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: When you get more credit when you do it like that, right,

1486
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: And I think today was they're just this was their grittiest, toughest,

1487
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 2: smartest and just refusing to kind of wilt and just

1488
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 2: finding a way almost digging it out of the dirt.

1489
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,799
Speaker 2: They didn't really have to do that earlier on, right,

1490
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 2: how they had to And now I don't think. I

1491
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: don't think they'll ever be a human. They're not going

1492
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 2: to win every Super Bowl. But no one's ever putting

1493
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: money on the other team against these guys ever. Again.

1494
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we said it earlier. The great teams,

1495
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: the great teams win it. When you think, oh, this

1496
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: is there. I said it all year. I said this

1497
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: is their pivot year. Stage one of the dynasty is

1498
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: Mahomes isn't making a money. Stage two is we gotta

1499
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: make some cuts. And last year I thought, oh, they're

1500
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: just too young on defense. Oh and this year I'm like,

1501
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: they're just not good enough a wide receiver. And they won.

1502
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: This two year stretch has got to be discouraging because

1503
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: Baltimore is stacked, in San Francisco is stacked, in Philadelphia

1504
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: is stacked, And you're like, oh shit, these are the

1505
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: pivot years. So all right, John Middlecoff, former Scout three

1506
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: and out, good hour fifteen.

1507
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: What a super Bowl?

1508
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: Oh so good, so good. So now we talked about

1509
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 1: it for a couple of days. Then there's March heats up.

1510
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: It's a NFL free agency. I don't think Chris Jones

1511
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: will get paid. San Francisco doesn't have a ton of needs.

1512
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: Hard to pay two linebackers, they probably have to get

1513
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: another corner. They also have to start examining. I think

1514
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 1: they drafted a tight end last year. They got to

1515
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: get another tight end in there. I think you made

1516
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: a good point earlier. Kittle's great player, but the gap

1517
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: between Kelsey and Kittle in big games, Jesus Travis really

1518
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: the two best big game tight ends I've ever seen,

1519
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: Gronk and Kelsey. This was a great playoff run for

1520
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey.

1521
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 2: I'd say the highlight of the Niners week now. After

1522
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 2: losing this game, As Trent Williams said earlier, that winner

1523
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 2: lose this game, he still got a couple of years in.

1524
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,919
Speaker 2: He likes playing for the Niners and Kyle, so that's

1525
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 2: one positive. Trent is still pretty damn even though he

1526
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: had a couple off sides. But when you're that good,

1527
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 2: you can live with a couple off sides. So the

1528
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 2: big guy is not going anywhere. But he's getting older.

1529
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 2: You know you're not gonna have him forever.

1530
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, John, that was fun.

1531
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:08,959
Speaker 2: I was I'm here. You want to talk some football?

1532
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 2: We got we got combined a couple of weeks I

1533
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 2: think I might go. I think I might go. It's

1534
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 2: gonna be a big combine, a lot of stuff going on.

1535
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: All right. I'll tell her management to send your ship

1536
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: to Indy. Gonna marry at a hotel room somewhere I

1537
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: can see anybody.

1538
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: See you soon.

1539
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: The volume