WEBVTT - The Life of Pablo 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:05.800 You're listening Waiting on Reparations production of I Heart Radio. Yes, 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.160 I'm writing it on an olymphant to see is the 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.960 empty hotel rooms from the developers and turn them into 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.280 tenements so all a homeless brothers and sisters can get 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.200 some shelter when the weather gets its fault to rent 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.320 so much abundance seventy million houses in this countries and 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.000 empty for seven hundred thousands of a bobo medicine and 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.600 dwelve and twent simply astounding. The answer to this pricis 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.560 is so simple and so eloguant. 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So, um, 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:18.640 week before last, uh, Catalonian rapper Pablo Hassel got arrested 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:23.840 for some tweets and uh lyrics that he has insulting 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:31.800 the crown and allegedly uh uh glorifying terrorism, which hasn't 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:36.959 since struck up riots all over all over the country 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.160 of Spain. Uh. That went on for about five days. 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.280 And so we're gonna talk a little bit about Pablo 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.520 Sells music and political leanings, the riots in Spain last 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.680 week that sprung up in a response to his incarceration 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.120 over his lyrics and tweets, and think a little bit 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.480 about what they can tell us Yankees about free speech 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.960 and left his politics in Spain. Now, wouldn't we say riots? 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.680 Are we talking about riots in the form of that's 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.600 what the powers that be would describe them as, or 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:11.720 are we talking about like actual legits And like a 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:16.800 hundred people were injured, thirty five points officers hospitalized. Um, 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:21.000 you know, just kind of ship you know, demonstrations that 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:26.000 some on the ground reported escalated into clashes when the 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:30.320 police you know agitated. Some young folks interviewed by like 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.280 CNN as an example kind of like claimed that they 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:37.240 were someone of the aggressors that led to UM the 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.920 escalation of violence as well. There were some claims that 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.239 there were some quote unquote outside agitators that did things 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.000 like start looting, etcetera, that weren't part of the demonstrations 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.440 in spirit, etcetera. But you know, this kind of stuff 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:57.000 that's become familiar as global capitalism. Curious, I'm curious, ato 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.400 how many of our listeners are aware of this, because, 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.840 like I mean, I wasn't even aware of the situation 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.160 because it's not being covered on American at least not 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.480 corporate news anyway. To be honest with you, I haven't 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.440 seen it anywhere. I haven't even heard. I didn't even hear, 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.560 you know, hear about this in Democracy Now or anywhere, 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.840 So I don't know. It's wild. So we're gonna talk 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:20.160 a little bit about who Pablo is UM, the events 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.280 leading up to his arrest, including you know, his uh, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.520 some of the political ally ships that he alludes to 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:33.480 in his lyrics UH that have been condemned by the 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.880 Spanish courts. But also want to go background on free 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.080 speech in Spain, like this isn't the first time something 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.840 like this has happened UM and the in two thousand 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.760 and fifteen. I think the Conservatives, like slightly right party 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.320 passed some like ship cracking down on rdom of expressions 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.640 like there, it's kind of like a whole thing and 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.200 we're getting into just like in simplications, etcetera. But yeah, 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.600 we're gonna get into all of that after the jump. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.080 Pablo Hassel is a Catalan rapper, writer, poet, and left 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.200 his political activists. He took his artistic name from a 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:23.520 revolutionary character in an Arabic short story. In an interview 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.960 with l Periodico Inen, he cited the typical influences the 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:32.120 source of his revolutionary ideas. That's a Shakavara, the Cuban 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.039 of the Cuban revolution. He said, I asked myself the question, 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.440 and Marxism gave me the answer for why some hoards 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.200 so much and the majority have so little and live 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.120 in misery. And I quickly want to say that, like 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.359 I had to like read a bunch of interviews with 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.039 him and like songs and stuff. The best I can 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.800 was my like Spanish, I used to be very good, 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.520 like almost, but I haven't used in many years, like 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.800 translate a lot of his interviews and stuff. So I 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.400 hope I do him justice. He or in some of this, 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:06.240 but in any case and tweets and music. Hotel is 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.880 condemned to police violence and express support for armed revolutionary groups, 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.680 including Grappo, a group that engaged in arms struggle to 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.479 destabilize the new Spanish Democratic government in favor of communism 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.839 during the nineteen seventies eighties after the Branko dictatorship was toppled. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.240 He also shouted out bast separatist group e t A, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.840 a nationalist separatist organization in the Basque Country of northern 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.280 Spain and southwestern France that engaged in a violent campaign 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.200 of bombings, assassinations and kidnappings throughout the Spanish territory with 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.560 the goal of gaining independence for the Basque Country. An 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:44.840 interview its outside of Garrappo. It is incredible that people 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.840 are branded as criminals and spent thirty years in prison 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.320 because they have chosen to dedicate their entire life to 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.839 the fight against a genocidle system. One can be against 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.200 armed struggle, but please, Grappo did not bomb hospitals and 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.799 schools like the Yankee Empire. Instead, you are a popular 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.520 party member who supports down side in the East. Well, 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.960 you are considered an hero and a great man. The 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.640 People's Party, for background, is a conservative Christian democratic political 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.600 party in Spain. They goes on to say, however, if 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.400 you do not condemn Grappo, you are branded a terrorist 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.880 of the worst kind. We live in an upside down 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.279 world where the worst is accepted in justice and resistance 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:26.320 and barbarity gets punished. As Malcolm X said, the newspapers 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.760 act so that the masses end up loving their oppressors 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.839 and condemning those who oppressed them. It's important to understand 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.680 that bass in the northwest and Catalans in the northeast 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.719 have a strong national identity, long histories and a struggle 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.599 for autonomy from the Spanish government, which I imagine influences 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.039 things too. Yeah, so there's already the sense of like 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.760 fun the government just ringing down the chain of their 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:54.599 own like community histories, as these like autonomous regions that 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.560 you know, see themselves as separate from Spain, but ultimately 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.920 are like overseen by the Spanish government. Um, I think 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.559 deeper than we experience in the States, in the sense 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:10.080 of like our history is fairly short and so like 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.000 there isn't really a regional history, regional sense of identity 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.840 that extends back past the foundation of our nation and 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.440 so like we might be like every bit, but it's 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:25.960 not because like there's like in our DNA like recollection 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:31.200 and like you know, like a cultural like uh tendency 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:36.120 towards like this your memory for I'm saying, I'm like, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.000 we're not even part of this ship, right, Like yeah, 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.360 part of their culture is we are our own people, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.080 like we are separate, like going back way back before 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:49.080 Spain was ever a country, and like it today still 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.840 like animates a lot of their you know, fight, the 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.480 fight for liberation is like in different terms here because 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.560 they're struggling for their autonomy against like what they see 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.680 is like a fascist Spanish government and that's kind of 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.680 imposed on them, even if it's supposedly a democracy. And 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.440 I imagine when some of those lines were drawn that 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.640 included them into the nation of Spain, it wasn't done 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:16.960 necessarily on their own volition country. It's like part of 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.560 Spain and part of France, and they're just like, well, nope, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.080 half of half of that is Spain now, like you 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.960 know what the hell is? That would not raised my eyebrow, 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.240 but just it's always like a cool thing to see 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.839 as him citing Malcolm X, and it's just like, you know, 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.600 it always takes me aback, how like I mean, you know, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.720 someone like Malcolm X was like trying to make a 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.880 difference in trying to change things, you know what I'm saying, 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.880 and affect a lot of different people. But it's like, 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.800 you know, if you could ask Malcolm X back then, 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.360 it's like, yo, do you think fifty sixty years from 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.240 now that Spanish revolutionary you know what I'm saying, are 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.880 gonna be like citing you as an influence or or 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.000 citing the work you did, or learning from the steps 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.560 that you took. That that always is impressive to me. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.160 Let's go, let's get to talk a little bit about 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.360 Pablo's arrest. So there's a twenty four hour stand off 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:12.280 between police and rapper Pablo, which saw riot cops clash 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:17.040 with HASEL supporters outside of YadA University in northeastern Carolonia, Spain. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.800 It ended last Tuesday. Last Tuesday morning, when anti riot 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:26.839 officers strom the university's rectoric building. An apprehended as he 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.079 was escorted out, Pablo's reporter to have shouted, it is 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.240 the fascist state that has arrestued me death to the 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.880 fascist state. With his fist racing the air, He and 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.280 more than fifty supporters locked themselves inside the university in 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:44.080 Spain's northeastern Catalina region at midday on Monday. This isn't 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.600 his first bresh with the law either. It was also 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:51.839 convicted in eighteen for insulting the monarchy and glorifying terrorism. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.280 So on the Twitter account, he's paid homage to Grappo 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:01.559 Um and um he said that Um, when the Granppo 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.400 militant was shot dead by police in n two, that 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.280 he had been murdered by the police for defending our rights. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.000 Writing on Twitter and Sol frequently accuses the Spanish security 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.679 forces of torture and murder, using the term Nazia now police, 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.480 a fusion of national and Nazi. And he's accused the 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:24.079 royal family of corruption incests, corruption incests and cocaine addiction, 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.480 suggesting the guillotine for one of the former monarch's daughters. 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.440 Such things will come up in a sow. We're gonna 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.160 talk about a little bit later. The rapper also referred 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:36.000 to the Spanish royal family as fascists and described one Carlos, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.520 the former monarch, as a mafia boss. First ties to 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:43.000 Saudi royals. So after all of this, it stirred up 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:47.440 free speech concerns from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:51.240 the U N Human Rights Council, who all say that 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.720 they were troubled at the state of freedom of expression 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.400 in Spain. And I mean it gets you. It's just 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.400 the dichotomy, especially considering some of the things that we've 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.920 talked about in the last few weeks. You know, when 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.840 we were going back to cancel culture and how right 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.480 wingers are feeling like they're persecuted and ship like that. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:13.600 It's like, this is this is what real life canceling it. 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.120 I know, this is what the Yeah, this is what 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.319 the actual First Amendment is like literally about like this 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.400 about you, but like this is actual. This is not 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.640 some people were mean to you on Twitter, you know 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.920 what I'm saying. And it's just like whether you're right wing, 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:38.920 left wing, whatever, it's just having a proper perspective about things, 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.880 I think definitely is important, you know what I'm saying, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.640 because at the end of the day, especially when people 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.760 learn about things like this, what's going on with just 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.040 makes it just makes you sound like a fucking idiot. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.920 You know what I'm saying, like, like, what exactly are 0:11:53.960 --> 0:12:01.920 you complaining about? So Amnesty International tweeted, no one should 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.920 face criminal prosecution only for expressing themselves on social media 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:10.800 or singing something that may be distasteful or shocking. Expressions 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:15.400 that do not clearly and directly incite violence cannot be criminalized. 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.880 And I agree with that. I mean, you know, I 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.120 I I know enough about myself to know that I'm 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:28.880 not necessarily like a free speech absolutist, you know, just 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:30.600 keeping it real, you know what I'm saying. You can't 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.920 y'all fired a crowded theater all that. Yeah, I think 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.200 this is just interesting to like contrast with what we 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.640 experience around free speech in the United States, to kind 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.640 of highlight what like how bad things could be um 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.680 and perhaps like for telling a future we could have 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:53.719 if like we do not beat fascism here, Like yo, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.600 I mean, it gets into some other stories of other 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.160 instances where this has happenings, But um, I think it's 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.840 under perspect of our own the state of our own 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.000 policy around our bright to expression, etcetera. So why don't 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.360 you tell them a little bit about like what exactly, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.120 like explain the situation of the riots to them okay, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.880 so UM. The cells arrests resulted in riots in Barcelona, Didona, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:25.640 Medried and Tarragona, resulting in over a hundred injuries over 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.959 the past week. During the demonstrations UM last Wednesday, fourteen 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.520 people were arrested in Madrid and twenty nine in Barcelona. 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.760 Cops and protesters are reported to have exchanged projectiles, bodels 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.920 and rocks from one side and tear gas and reber 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.240 billows from another. Protesters also built and set fired to barricades. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.319 Some demonstrators smash windows that fired trash containers and motorcycles 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.520 related stores. UM. It was reported that thirty five Spanish 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:55.800 capital police officers were hospitalized but UM. One young person 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.440 interviewed by CNN who took to the streets in Barcelona 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.680 on Saturday UM claimed that in her experience that protests 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.839 had been peaceful until the police intervened, which UM, and 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:12.080 it sounds about right. Yeah. I mean, whether I don't 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.280 care whether it's stateside or it's across the ocean, Like 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.840 police don't get the benefit of the doubt for me, 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.000 you know what I'm saying. Like it's also interesting though, 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.440 to read some of the quotations in that CNN pace 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.360 uh speaking with young people who are participating in the 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:30.760 demonstrations that the woman who I just quoted UM and 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.400 one other young man they spoke with both condemned the 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.800 looting and said that you claimed that there may might 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.240 be outside agitators, that some people might sometimes try to 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.680 take advantage of the social movements, but they don't, you know, 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.840 not actually align them the cause. So it's also interesting 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:52.160 to hear those sentiments, those evaluations of what is legitimate protests, etcetera, 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:57.080 like also echo in a different um a political fear. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.000 Now here's a question I have for you, like, Um, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.600 so you have this going on, which, like I said, 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.400 I hadn't necessarily seen this covered. But then we know 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:09.440 that there's the like anti Putin protests going on in Russia. 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.560 We know what happened in Belarus when they protested after 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.960 the election was stolen by the dictator there. Do you 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.080 think it's do you think it's indicative of something? And 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.360 then we have, you know, are the summer that we had. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.680 Do you think that any of this is like indicative 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.200 of like a global like a global like a global 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:32.280 sense of unrest. So the intersecting crises we're facing between 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:40.960 you know, worsening like climate catastrophes, income inequality, uh, the right, 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.160 the you know the way that there's this increased polarization 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.960 of the like the new the rise of the new 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.120 right globally, and how I think that it's like that 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.440 mixed with like the failure of global global capitalism and 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:59.760 like climate chaos, like people very rapidly radicalizing to the 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.720 um and being willing to embrace a wider variety of 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.480 tactics to make themselves hard um out of frustration, out 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.320 of just like snapping under the economic anxiety of living 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:14.680 at this moment um and living entertainment image coronavirus, you know, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.640 all the ship. I mean, the only thing to be 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:21.000 careful about with that, I think is that the that 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.920 like sense of like a global right new like a 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:28.400 new global right wing movement is definitely coordinated, you know 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.800 what I'm saying. And the actors you see people like 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.080 Steve Bannon medaling and not meddling, but like Steve Steve 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.240 Bennon went on like an Austria white supremacist tour, and 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.960 and that that's all I mean is like I sense 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:44.320 that like the the reaction that's radicalizing people to the 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:49.960 left is not as like contrived and you know what 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.240 I mean, and and pre planned as this right wing 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.760 movement is, because there's a lot of there's a lot 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.920 of big money propaganda going into the global this global 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.800 right wing movement. Um. I think that's all. I think 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.840 it's also speaks to like the lack of like truly 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:11.200 revolutionary like activity and recent history for people to like 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.000 like we don't we don't really have that sort of 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:14.840 I guess we just don't really have that culture of 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.320 like actual arms struggle, Like when we talk about the 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:21.080 Revolutionary War, it was fucking like four hundred years ago. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.560 Like you know, we like when we think about battle, 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.560 we think about stuff that we do to other people 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.399 in other countries. It's not something that's like happening in 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.760 the streets of our town. Um, Like like you know, 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.120 the E. T A Was doing like Croppo was doing 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.080 of like blowing up like you know, government buildings and 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.919 robbing banks and ship like that. Like we don't really 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:48.360 have that kind of kind of history. Um and so um. 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.760 I think that there's a lot to be said for 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:56.200 like the way it seems that in Spain, the sense 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.160 of like you know, with the with the riots, even 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.280 like the sense of like revolutionary spirit of like take 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.920 to the streets might be a little more alive there 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.800 than here. Well, I mean we're gonna get a little 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.800 into Hosells lyrics in a bit and actually unpacked some 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.200 of them, and so we can maybe play the judge. 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:21.600 Then if any American rapper has content this, uh, it's 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.440 alarming to the state. Yeah. So free speech issues aren't 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:30.959 new in Spain or even in Spanish hip hop. So inen, 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.400 how do you say? How do you pronounce that? Maa 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:42.440 Maoca based rapper Faltonik fled to Belgium to avoid a 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.119 three and a half year sentence for lyrics critical of 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:51.760 the Spanish monarchy and allegedly glorifying terrorism. Caesar Strawberry, member 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.040 of the rock band Death cons Dust, received a one 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.320 year suspended sentence for tweeting several jokes about E t 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:04.880 A in Grappo but qween. He was initially acquitted by 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.560 the National Court in sixteen, which declared that Caesar, both 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.600 in his professional and his private life, doesn't postulate support 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.760 for terror groups or any kind of violence, and that 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.720 his intention was ironic or provocative. However, earlier this year, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:22.360 the Supreme Court said that his intention is irrelevant, arguing 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.440 that Article five seven eight of the Criminal Code does 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:30.439 doesn't demand proof of intention behind acts that constitute offense 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:34.159 to glorifying terrorism. His lawyer said he would appeal to 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:38.199 the European Court of Human Rights. But Yo, what if 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.160 we made a law in America that it didn't matter, 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.240 that it didn't matter your intent? I say that, but 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.960 I don't even know if maybe they do actually do that. Well, yeah, 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.840 intent matters, right, because that's why we have second degree 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.040 murder and first degree murder and you know, an attempted 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.440 murder and ship like that. But for like, well, I 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.800 guess we don't mean for the state to like prosecute 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.560 you to say that intent doesn't matter. I mean, it's 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.120 it would kind of be. I don't know if I'm 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.920 taking this to an extreme, but like with like harmful 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:09.960 like harmful consequences of free speech acts, I mean I 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.439 would imagine that at some point, even in the US, 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.880 that your intent wouldn't matter. But it was just kind 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.600 of I guess it would be depending on what you said, 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.080 wouldn't it, Because I mean if you said, Yo, everybody 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.760 start a riot and then or everybody blows something up 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.680 and then that happened, and then they were like, hey, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.080 why do you say that? And you're like, well, that 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.639 wasn't my intention. Then I guess you could kind of 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.520 be like, doesn't matter what your intention said. So in February, 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.520 two puppeteers were accused of glorifying terrorism while performing a 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.760 play in Madrid, Damn They're going after puppet tears to 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:49.280 The play represented a police set up in which a 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:54.040 character held up a poster with the words glora alka 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.560 e t a, a play on the words al Qaeda 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.119 and a basque for long live et. A police arrested 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.199 the duo and help them on charges belonging to an 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.320 armed gang for several days. They or later acquitted, but 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.320 the damage had already been done. Eric since de Bremantuh 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.000 eric Sen's de Breman, one of the puppeteers lawyers, explained 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.720 that being accused of glorifying terrorism was already a punishment 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.200 in itself. The puppeteers were subjected to a public exposure 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.920 nothing short of brutal. Imagine how it was for them 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.240 out on the streets in those days, he told periodical, 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.879 adding that the artists and their families had received death threats. 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.560 He also pointed out that when the judge decided that 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.600 the play was completely legal, the media didn't show the 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:40.320 same interest. Okay, well, I mean see they were already 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.359 not the government and the police were already not getting 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:45.560 the benefit of the doubt from me. But it's like 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.399 the pattern is already is obviously there, you know what 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.720 I'm saying. So it's like you can possibly again the 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:57.160 whole plausible deniability that you can possibly make the explanation of, Yo, 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:02.439 we're dealing with important ship and this thing that this 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.119 rapper said was just so bad that like we have 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:06.800 to pay attention to it and we have to go 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.560 after him in YadA YadA, YadA. But obviously if they're 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.760 going after rapper after rapper and fucking puppet tears on 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.160 doing street show, you know what I'm saying, it's like 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:18.840 the pattern is obviously there that they're just trying to 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:25.040 suppress the set just period. It really is fascists, as 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:30.120 they say um in two like uh, it kind of 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.840 expands beyond just like you know, street side puppet shows 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.800 or whatever. In two thousand fifteen, the Spanish government, then 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:39.640 led by the sender Right People's Are Popular party, introduced 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.560 a highly controversial public security law known as the gag 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.520 La I'm on critics, which cracked down on both the 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:49.000 right to symbol and freedom of expression. So, yeah, the 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:52.920 right rising up ale of Era oll over everywhere, they're 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:56.680 gonna win. You know what, I've decided today that they're 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:59.560 probably gonna win. Man. The thing is is that they 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.560 they have like a strategy, you know what I'm saying, 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:07.760 And it's like your right wingers are a lot more 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:12.640 willing to put aside their differences so that they can 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:16.679 find solidarity with each other and win. If we keep treating, 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:20.800 if we keep treating what right wingers are worldwide or 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.280 doing as if it's like hyperbole or it's like a 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:28.320 boogeyman that doesn't really exist. Yeah, you know, one day 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.320 you're gonna wake up in the US and you know, 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.399 find yourself getting arrested for some shift you tweeted. It 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.240 ain't nobody going to riot because this ship kind of 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.040 ship doesn't happen Americas. Trying to imagine a single hip 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:45.280 hop artist that would inspire this kind of uprising for 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:50.360 what doing? What doing? I'm not saying what I mean. 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.280 If the FBI came for no name or something, I 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.640 probably have there in the streets, but like not like 0:23:55.920 --> 0:24:00.679 thousands of people. So yeah, so we won't have the 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.280 people to come save us when they start getting for us. 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:05.800 So we better take it seriously right now. And which 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:07.800 when we were talking about I think it was the 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:10.960 last episode about Fred Hampton because we're talking about how 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:15.359 come or were saying that there's we've had We've had 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.360 a friend, a new another Fred Hampton. Just it was different, right, 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.399