1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: You're listening Waiting on Reparations production of I Heart Radio. Yes, 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm writing it on an olymphant to see is the 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: empty hotel rooms from the developers and turn them into 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: tenements so all a homeless brothers and sisters can get 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: some shelter when the weather gets its fault to rent 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: so much abundance seventy million houses in this countries and 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: empty for seven hundred thousands of a bobo medicine and 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: dwelve and twent simply astounding. The answer to this pricis 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: is so simple and so eloguant. Meanwhile, the president reaction 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: saw the CENTI when we asked him when he send 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: in checks it spending renting and then then why it's 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: important immigrants. This has been an image of the evil 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: of before on it's lightly more Talentingo, I'm dope knife. 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: We are waiting on reparations. So we did our our 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: episode last week about Fred Hampton, and I think this 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: week we're gonna keep it talking about revolutionaries. But we're 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: about to flip the script of little Bit and we're 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: about to talk about contemporary revolutionary, a contemporary revolutionary and 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: also someone who is across the pond Yeah. So, um, 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: week before last, uh, Catalonian rapper Pablo Hassel got arrested 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: for some tweets and uh lyrics that he has insulting 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: the crown and allegedly uh uh glorifying terrorism, which hasn't 23 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: since struck up riots all over all over the country 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: of Spain. Uh. That went on for about five days. 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: And so we're gonna talk a little bit about Pablo 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: Sells music and political leanings, the riots in Spain last 27 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: week that sprung up in a response to his incarceration 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: over his lyrics and tweets, and think a little bit 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: about what they can tell us Yankees about free speech 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: and left his politics in Spain. Now, wouldn't we say riots? 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: Are we talking about riots in the form of that's 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: what the powers that be would describe them as, or 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: are we talking about like actual legits And like a 34 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: hundred people were injured, thirty five points officers hospitalized. Um, 35 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, just kind of ship you know, demonstrations that 36 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: some on the ground reported escalated into clashes when the 37 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: police you know agitated. Some young folks interviewed by like 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: CNN as an example kind of like claimed that they 39 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: were someone of the aggressors that led to UM the 40 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: escalation of violence as well. There were some claims that 41 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: there were some quote unquote outside agitators that did things 42 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: like start looting, etcetera, that weren't part of the demonstrations 43 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: in spirit, etcetera. But you know, this kind of stuff 44 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: that's become familiar as global capitalism. Curious, I'm curious, ato 45 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: how many of our listeners are aware of this, because, 46 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: like I mean, I wasn't even aware of the situation 47 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: because it's not being covered on American at least not 48 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: corporate news anyway. To be honest with you, I haven't 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: seen it anywhere. I haven't even heard. I didn't even hear, 50 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, hear about this in Democracy Now or anywhere, 51 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's wild. So we're gonna talk 52 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: a little bit about who Pablo is UM, the events 53 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: leading up to his arrest, including you know, his uh, 54 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: some of the political ally ships that he alludes to 55 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: in his lyrics UH that have been condemned by the 56 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Spanish courts. But also want to go background on free 57 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: speech in Spain, like this isn't the first time something 58 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: like this has happened UM and the in two thousand 59 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: and fifteen. I think the Conservatives, like slightly right party 60 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: passed some like ship cracking down on rdom of expressions 61 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: like there, it's kind of like a whole thing and 62 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: we're getting into just like in simplications, etcetera. But yeah, 63 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into all of that after the jump. 64 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: Pablo Hassel is a Catalan rapper, writer, poet, and left 65 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: his political activists. He took his artistic name from a 66 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: revolutionary character in an Arabic short story. In an interview 67 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: with l Periodico Inen, he cited the typical influences the 68 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: source of his revolutionary ideas. That's a Shakavara, the Cuban 69 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: of the Cuban revolution. He said, I asked myself the question, 70 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: and Marxism gave me the answer for why some hoards 71 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: so much and the majority have so little and live 72 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: in misery. And I quickly want to say that, like 73 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: I had to like read a bunch of interviews with 74 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: him and like songs and stuff. The best I can 75 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: was my like Spanish, I used to be very good, 76 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: like almost, but I haven't used in many years, like 77 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: translate a lot of his interviews and stuff. So I 78 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: hope I do him justice. He or in some of this, 79 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: but in any case and tweets and music. Hotel is 80 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: condemned to police violence and express support for armed revolutionary groups, 81 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: including Grappo, a group that engaged in arms struggle to 82 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: destabilize the new Spanish Democratic government in favor of communism 83 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: during the nineteen seventies eighties after the Branko dictatorship was toppled. 84 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: He also shouted out bast separatist group e t A, 85 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: a nationalist separatist organization in the Basque Country of northern 86 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: Spain and southwestern France that engaged in a violent campaign 87 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: of bombings, assassinations and kidnappings throughout the Spanish territory with 88 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: the goal of gaining independence for the Basque Country. An 89 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: interview its outside of Garrappo. It is incredible that people 90 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: are branded as criminals and spent thirty years in prison 91 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: because they have chosen to dedicate their entire life to 92 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: the fight against a genocidle system. One can be against 93 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: armed struggle, but please, Grappo did not bomb hospitals and 94 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 1: schools like the Yankee Empire. Instead, you are a popular 95 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: party member who supports down side in the East. Well, 96 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: you are considered an hero and a great man. The 97 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: People's Party, for background, is a conservative Christian democratic political 98 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: party in Spain. They goes on to say, however, if 99 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: you do not condemn Grappo, you are branded a terrorist 100 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: of the worst kind. We live in an upside down 101 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: world where the worst is accepted in justice and resistance 102 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: and barbarity gets punished. As Malcolm X said, the newspapers 103 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: act so that the masses end up loving their oppressors 104 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: and condemning those who oppressed them. It's important to understand 105 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: that bass in the northwest and Catalans in the northeast 106 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: have a strong national identity, long histories and a struggle 107 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: for autonomy from the Spanish government, which I imagine influences 108 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: things too. Yeah, so there's already the sense of like 109 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: fun the government just ringing down the chain of their 110 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: own like community histories, as these like autonomous regions that 111 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, see themselves as separate from Spain, but ultimately 112 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: are like overseen by the Spanish government. Um, I think 113 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,559 Speaker 1: deeper than we experience in the States, in the sense 114 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: of like our history is fairly short and so like 115 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: there isn't really a regional history, regional sense of identity 116 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: that extends back past the foundation of our nation and 117 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: so like we might be like every bit, but it's 118 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: not because like there's like in our DNA like recollection 119 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: and like you know, like a cultural like uh tendency 120 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: towards like this your memory for I'm saying, I'm like, 121 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: we're not even part of this ship, right, Like yeah, 122 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: part of their culture is we are our own people, 123 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: like we are separate, like going back way back before 124 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: Spain was ever a country, and like it today still 125 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: like animates a lot of their you know, fight, the 126 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: fight for liberation is like in different terms here because 127 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: they're struggling for their autonomy against like what they see 128 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: is like a fascist Spanish government and that's kind of 129 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: imposed on them, even if it's supposedly a democracy. And 130 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: I imagine when some of those lines were drawn that 131 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: included them into the nation of Spain, it wasn't done 132 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: necessarily on their own volition country. It's like part of 133 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: Spain and part of France, and they're just like, well, nope, 134 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: half of half of that is Spain now, like you 135 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: know what the hell is? That would not raised my eyebrow, 136 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: but just it's always like a cool thing to see 137 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: as him citing Malcolm X, and it's just like, you know, 138 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: it always takes me aback, how like I mean, you know, 139 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: someone like Malcolm X was like trying to make a 140 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: difference in trying to change things, you know what I'm saying, 141 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: and affect a lot of different people. But it's like, 142 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, if you could ask Malcolm X back then, 143 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: it's like, yo, do you think fifty sixty years from 144 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: now that Spanish revolutionary you know what I'm saying, are 145 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: gonna be like citing you as an influence or or 146 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: citing the work you did, or learning from the steps 147 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: that you took. That that always is impressive to me. 148 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: Let's go, let's get to talk a little bit about 149 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: Pablo's arrest. So there's a twenty four hour stand off 150 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: between police and rapper Pablo, which saw riot cops clash 151 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: with HASEL supporters outside of YadA University in northeastern Carolonia, Spain. 152 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: It ended last Tuesday. Last Tuesday morning, when anti riot 153 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: officers strom the university's rectoric building. An apprehended as he 154 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: was escorted out, Pablo's reporter to have shouted, it is 155 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: the fascist state that has arrestued me death to the 156 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: fascist state. With his fist racing the air, He and 157 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: more than fifty supporters locked themselves inside the university in 158 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: Spain's northeastern Catalina region at midday on Monday. This isn't 159 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: his first bresh with the law either. It was also 160 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: convicted in eighteen for insulting the monarchy and glorifying terrorism. 161 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: So on the Twitter account, he's paid homage to Grappo 162 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: Um and um he said that Um, when the Granppo 163 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: militant was shot dead by police in n two, that 164 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: he had been murdered by the police for defending our rights. 165 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: Writing on Twitter and Sol frequently accuses the Spanish security 166 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: forces of torture and murder, using the term Nazia now police, 167 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: a fusion of national and Nazi. And he's accused the 168 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: royal family of corruption incests, corruption incests and cocaine addiction, 169 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: suggesting the guillotine for one of the former monarch's daughters. 170 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: Such things will come up in a sow. We're gonna 171 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: talk about a little bit later. The rapper also referred 172 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: to the Spanish royal family as fascists and described one Carlos, 173 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: the former monarch, as a mafia boss. First ties to 174 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: Saudi royals. So after all of this, it stirred up 175 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: free speech concerns from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and 176 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: the U N Human Rights Council, who all say that 177 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: they were troubled at the state of freedom of expression 178 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: in Spain. And I mean it gets you. It's just 179 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: the dichotomy, especially considering some of the things that we've 180 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: talked about in the last few weeks. You know, when 181 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: we were going back to cancel culture and how right 182 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: wingers are feeling like they're persecuted and ship like that. 183 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: It's like, this is this is what real life canceling it. 184 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: I know, this is what the Yeah, this is what 185 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: the actual First Amendment is like literally about like this 186 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: about you, but like this is actual. This is not 187 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: some people were mean to you on Twitter, you know 188 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And it's just like whether you're right wing, 189 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: left wing, whatever, it's just having a proper perspective about things, 190 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: I think definitely is important, you know what I'm saying, 191 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, especially when people 192 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: learn about things like this, what's going on with just 193 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: makes it just makes you sound like a fucking idiot. 194 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, like, what exactly are 195 00:11:53,960 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: you complaining about? So Amnesty International tweeted, no one should 196 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: face criminal prosecution only for expressing themselves on social media 197 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: or singing something that may be distasteful or shocking. Expressions 198 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: that do not clearly and directly incite violence cannot be criminalized. 199 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: And I agree with that. I mean, you know, I 200 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: I I know enough about myself to know that I'm 201 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: not necessarily like a free speech absolutist, you know, just 202 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: keeping it real, you know what I'm saying. You can't 203 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: y'all fired a crowded theater all that. Yeah, I think 204 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: this is just interesting to like contrast with what we 205 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: experience around free speech in the United States, to kind 206 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: of highlight what like how bad things could be um 207 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: and perhaps like for telling a future we could have 208 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: if like we do not beat fascism here, Like yo, 209 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it gets into some other stories of other 210 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: instances where this has happenings, But um, I think it's 211 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: under perspect of our own the state of our own 212 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: policy around our bright to expression, etcetera. So why don't 213 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: you tell them a little bit about like what exactly, 214 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: like explain the situation of the riots to them okay, 215 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: so UM. The cells arrests resulted in riots in Barcelona, Didona, 216 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: Medried and Tarragona, resulting in over a hundred injuries over 217 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: the past week. During the demonstrations UM last Wednesday, fourteen 218 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: people were arrested in Madrid and twenty nine in Barcelona. 219 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: Cops and protesters are reported to have exchanged projectiles, bodels 220 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: and rocks from one side and tear gas and reber 221 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: billows from another. Protesters also built and set fired to barricades. 222 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: Some demonstrators smash windows that fired trash containers and motorcycles 223 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: related stores. UM. It was reported that thirty five Spanish 224 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: capital police officers were hospitalized but UM. One young person 225 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: interviewed by CNN who took to the streets in Barcelona 226 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: on Saturday UM claimed that in her experience that protests 227 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: had been peaceful until the police intervened, which UM, and 228 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: it sounds about right. Yeah. I mean, whether I don't 229 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: care whether it's stateside or it's across the ocean, Like 230 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: police don't get the benefit of the doubt for me, 231 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like it's also interesting though, 232 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: to read some of the quotations in that CNN pace 233 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: uh speaking with young people who are participating in the 234 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: demonstrations that the woman who I just quoted UM and 235 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: one other young man they spoke with both condemned the 236 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: looting and said that you claimed that there may might 237 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: be outside agitators, that some people might sometimes try to 238 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: take advantage of the social movements, but they don't, you know, 239 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: not actually align them the cause. So it's also interesting 240 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: to hear those sentiments, those evaluations of what is legitimate protests, etcetera, 241 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: like also echo in a different um a political fear. 242 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: Now here's a question I have for you, like, Um, 243 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: so you have this going on, which, like I said, 244 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: I hadn't necessarily seen this covered. But then we know 245 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: that there's the like anti Putin protests going on in Russia. 246 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: We know what happened in Belarus when they protested after 247 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: the election was stolen by the dictator there. Do you 248 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: think it's do you think it's indicative of something? And 249 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: then we have, you know, are the summer that we had. 250 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that any of this is like indicative 251 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: of like a global like a global like a global 252 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: sense of unrest. So the intersecting crises we're facing between 253 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, worsening like climate catastrophes, income inequality, uh, the right, 254 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: the you know the way that there's this increased polarization 255 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: of the like the new the rise of the new 256 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: right globally, and how I think that it's like that 257 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: mixed with like the failure of global global capitalism and 258 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: like climate chaos, like people very rapidly radicalizing to the 259 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: um and being willing to embrace a wider variety of 260 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: tactics to make themselves hard um out of frustration, out 261 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: of just like snapping under the economic anxiety of living 262 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: at this moment um and living entertainment image coronavirus, you know, 263 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: all the ship. I mean, the only thing to be 264 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: careful about with that, I think is that the that 265 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: like sense of like a global right new like a 266 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: new global right wing movement is definitely coordinated, you know 267 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And the actors you see people like 268 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon medaling and not meddling, but like Steve Steve 269 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: Bennon went on like an Austria white supremacist tour, and 270 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: and that that's all I mean is like I sense 271 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: that like the the reaction that's radicalizing people to the 272 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: left is not as like contrived and you know what 273 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: I mean, and and pre planned as this right wing 274 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: movement is, because there's a lot of there's a lot 275 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: of big money propaganda going into the global this global 276 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: right wing movement. Um. I think that's all. I think 277 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: it's also speaks to like the lack of like truly 278 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: revolutionary like activity and recent history for people to like 279 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: like we don't we don't really have that sort of 280 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: I guess we just don't really have that culture of 281 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: like actual arms struggle, Like when we talk about the 282 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: Revolutionary War, it was fucking like four hundred years ago. 283 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: Like you know, we like when we think about battle, 284 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: we think about stuff that we do to other people 285 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: in other countries. It's not something that's like happening in 286 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: the streets of our town. Um, Like like you know, 287 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: the E. T A Was doing like Croppo was doing 288 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: of like blowing up like you know, government buildings and 289 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: robbing banks and ship like that. Like we don't really 290 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: have that kind of kind of history. Um and so um. 291 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot to be said for 292 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: like the way it seems that in Spain, the sense 293 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: of like you know, with the with the riots, even 294 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: like the sense of like revolutionary spirit of like take 295 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: to the streets might be a little more alive there 296 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: than here. Well, I mean we're gonna get a little 297 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: into Hosells lyrics in a bit and actually unpacked some 298 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: of them, and so we can maybe play the judge. 299 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: Then if any American rapper has content this, uh, it's 300 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: alarming to the state. Yeah. So free speech issues aren't 301 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: new in Spain or even in Spanish hip hop. So inen, 302 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: how do you say? How do you pronounce that? Maa 303 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: Maoca based rapper Faltonik fled to Belgium to avoid a 304 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: three and a half year sentence for lyrics critical of 305 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: the Spanish monarchy and allegedly glorifying terrorism. Caesar Strawberry, member 306 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: of the rock band Death cons Dust, received a one 307 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: year suspended sentence for tweeting several jokes about E t 308 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: A in Grappo but qween. He was initially acquitted by 309 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: the National Court in sixteen, which declared that Caesar, both 310 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: in his professional and his private life, doesn't postulate support 311 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: for terror groups or any kind of violence, and that 312 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: his intention was ironic or provocative. However, earlier this year, 313 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said that his intention is irrelevant, arguing 314 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: that Article five seven eight of the Criminal Code does 315 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: doesn't demand proof of intention behind acts that constitute offense 316 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: to glorifying terrorism. His lawyer said he would appeal to 317 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: the European Court of Human Rights. But Yo, what if 318 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: we made a law in America that it didn't matter, 319 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: that it didn't matter your intent? I say that, but 320 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: I don't even know if maybe they do actually do that. Well, yeah, 321 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: intent matters, right, because that's why we have second degree 322 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: murder and first degree murder and you know, an attempted 323 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: murder and ship like that. But for like, well, I 324 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: guess we don't mean for the state to like prosecute 325 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: you to say that intent doesn't matter. I mean, it's 326 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: it would kind of be. I don't know if I'm 327 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: taking this to an extreme, but like with like harmful 328 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: like harmful consequences of free speech acts, I mean I 329 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: would imagine that at some point, even in the US, 330 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: that your intent wouldn't matter. But it was just kind 331 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: of I guess it would be depending on what you said, 332 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't it, Because I mean if you said, Yo, everybody 333 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: start a riot and then or everybody blows something up 334 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: and then that happened, and then they were like, hey, 335 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: why do you say that? And you're like, well, that 336 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: wasn't my intention. Then I guess you could kind of 337 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: be like, doesn't matter what your intention said. So in February, 338 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: two puppeteers were accused of glorifying terrorism while performing a 339 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: play in Madrid, Damn They're going after puppet tears to 340 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: The play represented a police set up in which a 341 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: character held up a poster with the words glora alka 342 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: e t a, a play on the words al Qaeda 343 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: and a basque for long live et. A police arrested 344 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: the duo and help them on charges belonging to an 345 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: armed gang for several days. They or later acquitted, but 346 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: the damage had already been done. Eric since de Bremantuh 347 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: eric Sen's de Breman, one of the puppeteers lawyers, explained 348 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: that being accused of glorifying terrorism was already a punishment 349 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: in itself. The puppeteers were subjected to a public exposure 350 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: nothing short of brutal. Imagine how it was for them 351 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: out on the streets in those days, he told periodical, 352 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: adding that the artists and their families had received death threats. 353 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: He also pointed out that when the judge decided that 354 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: the play was completely legal, the media didn't show the 355 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: same interest. Okay, well, I mean see they were already 356 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: not the government and the police were already not getting 357 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt from me. But it's like 358 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: the pattern is already is obviously there, you know what 359 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like you can possibly again the 360 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: whole plausible deniability that you can possibly make the explanation of, Yo, 361 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: we're dealing with important ship and this thing that this 362 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: rapper said was just so bad that like we have 363 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: to pay attention to it and we have to go 364 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: after him in YadA YadA, YadA. But obviously if they're 365 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: going after rapper after rapper and fucking puppet tears on 366 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: doing street show, you know what I'm saying, it's like 367 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: the pattern is obviously there that they're just trying to 368 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: suppress the set just period. It really is fascists, as 369 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: they say um in two like uh, it kind of 370 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: expands beyond just like you know, street side puppet shows 371 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. In two thousand fifteen, the Spanish government, then 372 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: led by the sender Right People's Are Popular party, introduced 373 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: a highly controversial public security law known as the gag 374 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: La I'm on critics, which cracked down on both the 375 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: right to symbol and freedom of expression. So, yeah, the 376 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: right rising up ale of Era oll over everywhere, they're 377 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: gonna win. You know what, I've decided today that they're 378 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: probably gonna win. Man. The thing is is that they 379 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: they have like a strategy, you know what I'm saying, 380 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: And it's like your right wingers are a lot more 381 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: willing to put aside their differences so that they can 382 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: find solidarity with each other and win. If we keep treating, 383 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: if we keep treating what right wingers are worldwide or 384 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: doing as if it's like hyperbole or it's like a 385 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: boogeyman that doesn't really exist. Yeah, you know, one day 386 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna wake up in the US and you know, 387 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: find yourself getting arrested for some shift you tweeted. It 388 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: ain't nobody going to riot because this ship kind of 389 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: ship doesn't happen Americas. Trying to imagine a single hip 390 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: hop artist that would inspire this kind of uprising for 391 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: what doing? What doing? I'm not saying what I mean. 392 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: If the FBI came for no name or something, I 393 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: probably have there in the streets, but like not like 394 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: thousands of people. So yeah, so we won't have the 395 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: people to come save us when they start getting for us. 396 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: So we better take it seriously right now. And which 397 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: when we were talking about I think it was the 398 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: last episode about Fred Hampton because we're talking about how 399 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: come or were saying that there's we've had We've had 400 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: a friend, a new another Fred Hampton. Just it was different, right, 401 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: trying to make the point about like how we're in 402 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: America especially, we're all just like just comfortable enough to 403 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: not want to rock the boat, you know. That's that's 404 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: one of those things is gonna work against us. So 405 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: even if we do have a situation that's absolutely egregious 406 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: where like they go after some artists, actor or rapper 407 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: or whatever, activists, somebody who who says something or makes 408 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: a piece of art that that makes an expression when 409 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: they do crack down on them, and it's like obviously 410 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: like some hatchet job, unfair fascist move, We're still going 411 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: to kind of be you know, we still have that 412 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: built in gonna work tomorrow, you know what I mean, 413 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: Like we might tweet about it. This is sucked up 414 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: and you gotta go to work, and what are you 415 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: supposed to do? You know? The attitude with that, I 416 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: think that we should get into a little bit of 417 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: the homie Pablo's discography. Let's get into Pablo's work and 418 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: see what Pablo has been saying in his music that 419 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: elicited such a strong reaction out of the government over there. 420 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: We'll be into that after the joke. As a preface. 421 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: This man his songs called the USSR overturned All Power 422 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: to the Soviets. The first song we're gonna talk about 423 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: his catalog, it's called straight, straight up, just called communist down. 424 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: It's communists. Um, let's let's take a listen real quick. 425 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: That ship was dope. Yeah, alright, so it was fucking hard. 426 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: It does, I mean off the bat, off the jump. Yeah. 427 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: My first reaction to it, and this is, um, we've 428 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: like Murray was saying, Um, we were watching a lyric 429 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: video and we've pulled out some lyrics for you, but um, 430 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: off the jump from listening to it and and reading 431 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: the lyrics the ad libs at the beginning where he's like, 432 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: socialism is the only viable form of large scale change. 433 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: That's like his ad libs where like an American rapper 434 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: would be going, uh huh, yeah, take that, take that. 435 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: This motherfucker's like yeah, motherfucker. Socialism is the only viable 436 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: form of large scale change, Like off the jump, it 437 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: is so avertly agenda driven, you know what I'm saying 438 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: That like if if you put yourself in a factist 439 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: governments shoes for a second, it's like we got so terrified. 440 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: And I mean, like from aesthetic perspective, it doesn't feel 441 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: pre chey to me. It doesn't like, you know, it's 442 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: not like I feel like a lot of people ensure 443 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: like there's there's wool, like like listen to hip hop 444 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: jact having good time. I do like unraveling the puzzle 445 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: of a hip hop song. That's like I got a 446 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: lot going on in it lyrically, but this those are 447 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: this It's just like the flow is though, like I 448 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: like the rhymes, like and it's a hard beat. It's 449 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: not corny, it's weird. It's like for being is like 450 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: very obviously drenched in like study of history and theory. 451 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: It's just like actually pretty listen to what I think, 452 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: Like the ticket to It is like you could take 453 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: his lyrics off of this song and put a less 454 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: focus or less serious song on top of this, and 455 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: it would still work like aurally as like a song, 456 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like if this is just 457 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: a gangster rap song, yeah it would it would be like, oh, yeah, 458 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: this as hard as yeah, he's going in, but it's 459 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: like like choosing to replace that content with the content 460 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: that he's doing and it just makes it more accessible. 461 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: Hard like against rap song because like the opening line, 462 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: he says communists as Bolsheviks stabbing czz are because nobody 463 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: should have the right to be to exploit communists as 464 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: day labors occupying the land, collectivising and dreaming of dead 465 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: duchess like for real, like yeah, we're about to order 466 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: the monarchs, like yo, shout out cha, Marks Lenin grandpo 467 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: members Jose Manuel uh Civil Siviano who died in a 468 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: hunger strike in prison. Yeah, and the stric is really 469 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: interesting and we're talking about for a second. So I 470 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: began in November of ended on February second nine one, 471 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: which at the time made it the longest running one 472 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: of the longest running hunger strikes in modern history. Among 473 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: the demands made by the prisoners was an end to 474 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: isolation and control units, to be recognized political prisoners and 475 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: to be regrouped into one prison so as to continue 476 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: their political education they maintain their identity, is obviously vigorously 477 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: opposed by the Spanish government, who at the time held 478 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: over a thousand political prisoners. During the hunger strike in Saviano, 479 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: died of heart failure due to malnutrition. Um To prolong 480 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: the hunger strike, the government force fed the prisoners. Several 481 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: government officials. This is what's fucking insane, including the head 482 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: one head of Present Medicine, who was in charge of 483 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: force feeding, were executed during the strike by grappo. Just shit, 484 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: what that's crazy. Wait, we just can't really imagine something 485 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: like that happening here. No, I mean, like for real, 486 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: I can't, I mean should, I don't even I'm almost 487 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: at like speechless, at a loss for words because it's 488 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: just like I can't I can't even picture like any 489 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: sort of conditions which this this would be the state 490 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: of like American hip hop. You know what. It reminds 491 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: me of an interview that mad Lib is doing recently, 492 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: and he was making the point of, like, you know, 493 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,239 Speaker 1: all hip hop should pretty much just in terms of 494 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: what's going on in the world. He's like, all hip 495 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: hop should pretty much sound like Public Enemy at this point, 496 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's like like like that's what that's what 497 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: we should be tired of. We should we should be like, man, 498 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: how come everybody's rapping like Public Enemy and rapping about 499 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: all this serious political ship? How come to what he's 500 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: having fun anymore? Like that should be the complaint the complaint. 501 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: But let's hop on him over to the next one. 502 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: Juan Carlos el elbow bone. Have the name of the song? 503 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: This name of the song? Yeah, uh. Sell plays of 504 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: the words Bourbon, which is the name of the royal family, 505 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: and bobbo, which is Spanish means idiot. Let's take a 506 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: listening to this again. It's like the fucking direct nature 507 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: of the ship that he's saying is crazy. I mean, 508 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: like a lot of that. He's saying specific names of 509 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: like specific Spanish politicians and making like accusations I mean 510 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: whether again this is just objectively like looking at whether 511 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: you accusations are true or not or whatever. He's making 512 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: like explicit charges against people and saying you did this, 513 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: you are this, you are responsible for X. You know 514 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,479 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, So like imagine if I don't know, 515 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: um no Name came out with a track like killed 516 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Joe Biden exactly exactly, like as I put myself more 517 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: and more into the shoes of like I mean, do 518 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: I think someone should be arrested over this? No? Do? 519 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: I sort of understand why the Spanish govern I'm scared. 520 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: I guess like like not giving the government a pass, 521 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: but like I could totally imagine them being super frue 522 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,959 Speaker 1: jab or something like. It's like fascinating because it's not 523 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: like we don't talk about death in rap is it 524 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: all the time, but we're talking about dying is a question. 525 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: It's like we're killing each other. That's fine, But like 526 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: Kime out with a song that was like I'm gonna, 527 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, murder people. Well, I mean you remember when 528 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about like you know, people don't rap about 529 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: killing white supremacists and killing Nazis in their ship. But 530 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: I mean, like I'm not even playing. There's literally rappers 531 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: who was like every song is like yo, I'm shooting 532 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: up this nigga, I'm killing this nigga, I shooting nigga's 533 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: grandmama's house, and it's like they got like endorsement deals 534 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: open like there's literally nobody who is worried about anything. 535 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: They're saying. It's like, it's fine, it's it's whatever. So 536 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: much to the way the white supremacy operates, Uh, because 537 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean they will. I mean, as we've discussed in 538 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: various episodes, they will kill you. If they are are 539 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: killing each other, they're like, then they don't mind. It's like, hey, 540 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: it's all good. Is that nothing, nothing to be alarmed about. 541 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess to give the government a 542 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: little bit less credit, they do monitor hip hop artists 543 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: for far less ship. Yeah, but unimportant jail. But the 544 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: typical unimportant ship though, you know what I'm saying, Like 545 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: in the in the in the grand scheme of ship. 546 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like a let's uh, 547 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: we don't like this guy because five years ago he 548 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: knew this guy, you know what I'm saying, and we 549 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: weren't able to get him on that. So we're mad. 550 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: So let's listen to his rap lyrics and if he 551 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: says something, then we can hit him with some rico 552 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: charges to say that he knew a person that knew 553 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: a person that did something. It's quite different than Yo, 554 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: what did you say about the Duchess? Yeah? Um, what's 555 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: the next track? We got one? Carlos Elbow. Definitely, the 556 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: VAT is definitely a lot more lighter than the other 557 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 1: stuff that we've heard him wrapping on. Yeah, I mean, 558 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm kind of like a fun funny songs how I 559 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: interpret it. I mean he's going in pretty hard on 560 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: the monarchy, like nad Ship, but like the lighthearted beat 561 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: and like the kind of like singing background on the 562 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: hook make it feel like I can see this black 563 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: put this on the car and kind of like slay 564 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: but you're like, yeah, monarchy. So I found a Reddit 565 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: thread of some people talking about it. Um. One person 566 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: is going on about how he's making several accusations in 567 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: the song that they deem to be false. And then 568 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: I have another person talking about how his lyrics are 569 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: horribly inflammatory and making accusations of homophobic and sexist remarks. 570 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: And then because I've read interviews with the Soil in 571 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: which he talks about how like, um, you know, his 572 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: crimes and he and he says, you know, like hatred 573 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: of homophobia, of racism, of sexism shouldn't be a crime, 574 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: like those things themselves should be a crime. How to 575 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: say that does not make him you know, sexist, homophobic, 576 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: but he is that that would be you know, anti oppression, 577 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: at least in the way he speaks at his world view. 578 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean this this is just some random 579 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: Reddit user. I have another person saying, um, he's the 580 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: songs has lyrics about shooting cops in the head and 581 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: supporting the vast terrorists, and then they're just going on 582 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: about how like in Spain you can't encourage terrorists, but 583 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: you know there's some people who are pushing back and 584 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: they're talking about like it's a stretch to say that 585 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: that's what the song is doing. Um. I think one 586 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: of the line that stands out of the song, one 587 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: that got him in trouble um a couple of years ago, 588 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: is um one that goes the poor go to jail. 589 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: But not in Christina, although half the country want to 590 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: see her on a guillotine. Christina is of one Carlos 591 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: the former monarch's daughters, who was acquitted a fraud and 592 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: corruption in two thousand and thirteen. I don't know if 593 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: I feel that that's a threat. If I heard somebody 594 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: said that about me, I probably would feel slightly threatened. 595 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: I guess like as someone that's received death threats, I 596 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: feel like thinking broadly about like the things that I 597 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: find threatening, having had had to like evaluate risk level 598 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: of different things that have been said. Um, if someone 599 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: said this to me, I'd probably be like, I'm about 600 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: this one. It's a good thing that you just said 601 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,479 Speaker 1: that for real, because like I didn't even think about 602 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: it that way, Like I'm just like getting all cut 603 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: up my feelings and ship like that. But yeah, like 604 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: if if somebody sent if somebody sent your letter Earth, 605 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like if some maga 606 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: guy was, Like if some maga guy was like Mariah 607 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: Parker because we all want to see her on a guillotine, Yeah, 608 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: I would, you know what I mean? Yeah, like yeah, yeah, 609 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: but I want to look at look out for those 610 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: guys that said that always gotten in trouble for some 611 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: of the ship. Yeah, but I mean ultimately, like he 612 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: just goes in on calling out the calling out the 613 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: monarchy for being just you know, self centered corrupt multimillionaires. 614 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: There's second working people dry to feed like their mental 615 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: wealth and all the ship like he's already Yeah, I 616 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: think the personal nature of his critiques are probably the 617 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: largest aspect of what landsman in trouble, not that you know, 618 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: the powers that we aren't worried about his message in 619 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: his politics, but I do think that like the personal 620 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: nature of because you know, when when when America did 621 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: have that period where like Rappers where George Bush was 622 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: saying ice Tea's name while he was running for president, 623 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, when ice Cube was like 624 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: public enemy number one and ship like that, Like when 625 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: when we were in that moment, it was like, you know, 626 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: in the backdrop of like explicit personal attacks, like people 627 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: were really going in personally, and that was the moment 628 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 1: when we had So maybe that's the key, Like maybe 629 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: making a vague, vague statements like capitalism or you know 630 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: what I mean, like socialism is the way, isn't enough 631 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 1: to to push the buttons. Maybe you kind of gotta say, hey, 632 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump Junior is a piece of ship and his 633 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: breath smell like wet money. I don't know, something like that, Joe, 634 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: can we please get a beat waiting a reporations when 635 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: they stand it in your way? I think they better 636 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: move on. We told you about the life of Pablo 637 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: and the Revolution. Because your neck is what they want 638 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: to go and step their boots. So they don't want 639 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: you comfortable. They want you to to share futons. That's the 640 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: fascist state. No one gotta listen with the beast state, 641 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: killed the body politick and every time they last ray. 642 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: If that's the ship I have to hate. Treated like 643 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: passion play. They could be forever, but democracy one last 644 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: to day. Think it's a game until you stop in 645 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: the street and somebody up to power will lock you 646 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: up for tweet. The cops are drunk on their power. 647 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: Give your shoving a beat foot on your neck, tell 648 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: a crowd nothing to see. Damn, my name's dope knife. 649 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 1: We are waiting on reparations. 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