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Speaker 1: Episode number two. I had to do it. I had

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Speaker 1: to talk about a topic that is near and dear

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Speaker 1: that sits doesn't sit wow with me, I will say.

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Speaker 1: And the topic is a mix between a few things.

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Speaker 1: It's a mix between capitalism, cancel culture, and corporate greed.

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Speaker 1: That's what we'll talk about today, and I do want

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Speaker 1: to let you guys know this is what you guys

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Speaker 1: will be getting. At the top of every episode moving forward,

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Speaker 1: you will hear my thoughts on the topic, followed by

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Speaker 1: my guests, who will then share their thoughts on what

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Speaker 1: the hell I just said, because guess what.

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Speaker 2: You can't handle the bullshit?

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Speaker 1: Bear with me here for this episode, because listen, I

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Speaker 1: stand for something, I promise I do. But I'm just

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Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and get in a tizzy over

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Speaker 1: what these corporations are doing. And I've had enough of

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Speaker 1: the idea that we need to align ourselves with any

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Speaker 1: corporate views to show that we stand for something. I'm

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Speaker 1: just not buying it. I'm pro Palestine and i still

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Speaker 1: drink Starbucks, sure do, and I'm not gonna apologize for it.

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Speaker 1: The idea that we have to live in a life

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Speaker 1: of perfect alignment with some corporate ideal that every purchase

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Speaker 1: has to be some political statement is ridiculous to me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you believe that corporations are perfect? Because

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 1: Also, who represents me, They're here to sell me a coffee.

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Speaker 1: Why should I change the way I live because of

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Speaker 1: the countless corporate decisions that I have zero control over it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make me any less of a person or

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Speaker 1: less of an activist. It just means I'm choosing my battles,

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Speaker 1: and honestly, I don't think it's fair to expect me

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Speaker 1: to fight every battle all the time. Like take Away Fair,

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Speaker 1: people lost their minds when the whole thing about the

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Speaker 1: kids and the cabinets came out. I ain't gonna hold

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Speaker 1: you everything in this studio right here. Wait and guess what.

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Speaker 1: I didn't also like being a villain for not jumping

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Speaker 1: into boycotting every which thing that we're doing. I'm sorry, Tarja,

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Speaker 1: I'm still getting my things over a hun now. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I do think that in the world that we live in,

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Speaker 1: there's so much going on. There's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: not going to let every corporate decision make me feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm betraying my values. Don't even get me started

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Speaker 1: on the whole H and M Coolest Monkey in the

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Speaker 1: Jungle shirt. That was a messed up moment, for sure,

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Speaker 1: But what the hell was I supposed to do? Get

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Speaker 1: rid of my whole wardrobe? Okay, not saying that my

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Speaker 1: whole wardrobe is from H and M, just saying that's

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Speaker 1: not the deal that I'm gonna die on. There's a

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Speaker 1: ton of ugliness in the world, and I can't possibly

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Speaker 1: spend my energy trying to hold every corporation accountable for

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Speaker 1: their mistakes, because let's be very clear, these corporations are

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Speaker 1: just ran by human beings, and humans suck. I know

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Speaker 1: some people would argue that my choice not to boycott

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Speaker 1: certain things means I'm not doing enough, but the truth

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Speaker 1: way that we move about, and the corporate battle is

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Speaker 1: just not mine. It's not the one that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to fight in the trenches every single time for, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be guilt tripped into a moral

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Speaker 1: company did. We have enough to stress about in this world,

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Speaker 1: and I'm doing what I can where I can, and

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Speaker 1: I choose not to let corporations dictate my every move.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that makes me a bad person. I'm human,

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Speaker 1: just like everyone else. Right. Yes, I'm smiling and holding

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Speaker 1: up a hello around my head, y'all. I have joined

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Speaker 1: by who should be my co host, but it is

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Speaker 1: because she's a very busy woman, and to neet here

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Speaker 1: from around the way curls and to interject on anything

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Speaker 1: throughout the episode. Y'all know, I got my boys over

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Speaker 1: there on the mics. We got a King and Jason

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Speaker 1: and Rodriguez. Now they will be fact checking, thank god,

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Speaker 1: but also Anthelina, I have opinions you.

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Speaker 3: Just stated though, so check.

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Speaker 1: Antonette has also brought her laptop. Oh so, y'all, she

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Speaker 1: has come prepared. But why I'm really excited to have

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Speaker 1: this conversation is because this is a pure example of

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to kind of start with the fact

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Speaker 1: that this is my really dear friend. And she did

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Speaker 1: tell me to stop drinks. You get Starbucks, And I said,

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Speaker 1: but pistachio is back. And though I have loved listening

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Speaker 1: talk about the passion that you hold with what's happening

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Speaker 1: with Hamas and Israel and Gaza, and how you are

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Speaker 1: very pro free Palestine. When it came out that Starbucks

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Speaker 1: was supporting Israel, you were clear that you would not

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Speaker 1: then purchase anything from Starbucks.

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Speaker 4: Well, Starbucks came out and if I remember, they came

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Speaker 4: out against their union.

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Speaker 1: The union who supported who supported free Palestine.

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Speaker 4: Free Palestine, so they kind of had took issue with that,

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Speaker 4: and they came out first and foremost that were in

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Speaker 4: the forefront. A lot of these companies, right are backing Israel.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot.

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Speaker 3: Like let's be a lot of them.

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Speaker 4: I think that the larger conversation, the more general conversation,

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Speaker 4: is about our money, and money is power, especially in

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Speaker 4: this capitalist society.

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Speaker 3: So being intentional as intentional as.

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Speaker 4: You can within a very corrupt society, where like it's

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Speaker 4: difficult not this phone is a problem, right, it's very wise.

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Speaker 4: Why is the let me finish my thought though, this

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Speaker 4: phone is a problem just because we know that these

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Speaker 4: batteries are mine.

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Speaker 3: People are dying for this.

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Speaker 4: There's always feeling like something, whatever you're consuming, is harming

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Speaker 4: someone else. And I want to say that capitalism specifically

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Speaker 4: creates that kind of environment for the consumer, is that

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Speaker 4: it's very difficult to consume anything these days without it

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Speaker 4: being harmful to someone else due to exploitation, et cetera,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. And first and foremost, the people that are

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Speaker 4: so if you care about those communities, it's very difficult.

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Speaker 3: I find it. I'll speak for myself.

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Speaker 4: I find it to be very difficult to be a consumer,

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Speaker 4: intention about where I put my money. One, I want

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Speaker 4: So I want to be very intentional about uplifting that

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Speaker 4: In addition to that, Starbucks don't need my money, Like

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Speaker 4: I don't like the fact, and this is me. I

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Speaker 4: don't like that stance that they took. I think I

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Speaker 3: Haven't made it im pted their money, and so they pick.

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Speaker 4: You can't do it everywhere, right, but sometimes you try

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Speaker 4: to pick one of the big bad wolves to make

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Speaker 1: I think though, that's a bit of where I mean,

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Speaker 1: And I think I bring this conversation into kind of

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Speaker 1: you believe in the idea of world peace and that happening.

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Speaker 1: I don't or like the idea that we don't believe

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Speaker 1: we'll ever get there as long as we uphold these values.

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Speaker 1: As long as we uphold these values, this is but

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Speaker 1: this is my problem. I feel like that having that

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Speaker 1: how we're gonna pay our rents. Some people raise their children,

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Speaker 1: some people maintain their relationship friendships. This idea that now

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Speaker 1: have to divert where I spend my money because this

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Speaker 1: that will not change the fact that we know it'll

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Speaker 4: I want to be clear. Yeah, yes, when I say

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Speaker 4: it will probably never happens, and this is no dis you.

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Speaker 1: It's because of me. No, Because when I have.

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Speaker 4: Conversations like this, because you use the word we, right,

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Speaker 4: who is the we? Because right now it sounds very individualistic.

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Speaker 4: Your approach is like, if I have to think about

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Speaker 4: privilege in that we all have it. I have it

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Speaker 4: not going to hinder it just because I don't believe

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Speaker 3: To say, oh, yeah, you know what.

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Speaker 4: I think that all of the employees should have, you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't think that that's going to happen without the we,

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Speaker 4: like the Montgomery boycotts. Yes, ride the bus boycott. That

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Speaker 4: people don't realize how revolutionary that was.

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Speaker 3: And how wildly inconvenient it was for folks like you're

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Speaker 3: You can't take the bus. We're going to organize together

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Speaker 4: It's met It's not going to be easy, it's not

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Speaker 1: I just had this conversation and it was that we

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Speaker 1: haven't seen anything really be revolutionized since like the sixties,

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Speaker 1: and so even you saying that in mentioning individualism, I

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Speaker 1: feel like that is the reality. Though I don't think

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Speaker 1: that even in terms of yes, there was an inconvenience

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Speaker 1: right with the Montgomery boycott and people not doing buses.

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Speaker 1: Look what just happened with the NFL. Niggas wouldn't take

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Speaker 1: a knee because they said, well, I got a family

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Speaker 1: to feed. When we see what happened, even in BLM

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Speaker 1: I have an episode coming up where we talk about

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Speaker 1: accountability and the justice system. In reality, people really don't

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Speaker 1: they don't care about seeing justice unless they're seeking justice

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Speaker 1: So can I can? I?

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Speaker 3: But I'm talking about me.

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Speaker 6: To these gofundmes.

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Speaker 5: Right, So if the group won't come together, I'm still.

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Speaker 1: Going to come together with my dollars.

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Speaker 5: Right where you're saying me as an individual, I don't

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Speaker 4: And if I get burned, I get fucking burned. But

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Speaker 4: And it's interesting because a lot of my friendships here

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Speaker 4: For sure, it's been you're down, I got this save,

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Speaker 1: to end up in the better place after life. So

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Speaker 1: when I'm hearing you talk and you're saying I have

440
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Speaker 1: hope that this will make change or that with what

441
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing it will create a better world maybe in

442
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Speaker 1: the future, say that, Yeah, you just said that that

443
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Speaker 1: you you said hope and you believe I'm.

444
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Speaker 4: Saying that we Okay, let me clarify. I'm saying we

445
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Speaker 4: collective need to have that. I am doing that because

446
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 4: that is what I need to do in order to

447
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 4: be able to function in this world. I won't be

448
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 4: able to sleep at night purpose right, I won't be

449
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 4: able to sleep at night knowing that I was like, yo,

450
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 4: free fileastyme fuck them, and I'm drinking the starbus because

451
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 4: I really like Chi t latte from whatever like that

452
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 4: would that would personally bother me deeply. And so that's

453
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 4: where I'm like, I'm not saying it's for everybody else,

454
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 4: but what I'm saying is collectively, we have to imagine

455
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 4: something else being of reality for us.

456
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: But we can't because capitalism. While I have so many

457
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: issues with it, it is extremely.

458
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 4: Effective, extremely effective because it has created this reality for

459
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 4: all of us that we live in.

460
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Speaker 1: Okay, well let's get into the hook, okay of it all.

461
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: And this is where we get into corporations. And I

462
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: sit here and try to goals into your statement. Look,

463
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: she's like, no, you can't be right.

464
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: I had the laptop to center myself because I really

465
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: don't want to be right.

466
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: When you said what you said, I said, your feelings

467
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: are completely so it's not even all.

468
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 1: Right and wrong. I think it's it's me. And because

469
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: I love you so much, I do want to maybe

470
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: find myself agreeing with you when I can't, like I

471
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: want same, Like when we sat at the dinner table

472
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: and I had a completely different take on so many things,

473
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: I was just like, Damn, I really respect and like

474
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: all these women I'm sitting with, yet I highly disagree

475
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: with all of them, and I'm standing in my bullshit.

476
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: And then it even made me think of and and

477
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: this is where maybe I want to ask you and

478
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: maybe even the listeners. Before I left New York, we

479
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: went and had dinner at a pretty expensive restaurant, right,

480
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: and so they came to our things into go boxes.

481
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: And I waited for them to put it into go

482
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: boxes because when you go to nights of restaurants and

483
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: you spend the money, they supposed to put things into

484
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: go boxes. And Toinette, did they motherfucking job? She said, no, no, no, no, no,

485
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: just bring the boxes. I got it. I'll do it.

486
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: And me and my friendly to her and was like, mister,

487
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: you know how much as mill costs. This is a

488
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: part of the service that we get. And she was like,

489
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: and I almost got mad. And I think there was

490
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: a conversation of like, is it because you haven't experienced

491
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: it a lot? Like and I think that maybe that's

492
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: where I'm at. I think I felt that way growing

493
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: up Section eight food stamps. I didn't have the luxuries

494
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: that I have now, But now that I've experienced it,

495
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: I love that this is what I'm paying for. And

496
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: so when you started doing that, I like, I think

497
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: we had a difference of opinion. You were like, bro,

498
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: his job is already hard. I can do this and

499
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: make his job easier. And on the other end, we're like, bitch,

500
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: we just paid for this service. That's why they at

501
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: the text of the food. Let them pack our foods.

502
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: Is there then a connection between caring more when maybe

503
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: the luxury isn't as reachable.

504
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: Not reachable, I don't know.

505
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: I said, you'll always be poor.

506
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 6: Well, okay, in the episode it's Mandy a closeted all.

507
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: Right, Mac, maybe because you liked reachable.

508
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 6: You know, it's crazy.

509
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: It's really hard for you with words. And I did

510
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: not just call one of my best friends.

511
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 6: It's okay, it's very elegant.

512
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that's why I was still talking about I.

513
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: Said the same coming up from you. I understood it.

514
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: Bagging with you.

515
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 4: You know what you mean when you yes, I am

516
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 4: not somebody that goes to a whole lot of fancy dinners.

517
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't do any more. You couldn't go, you don't.

518
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you got here.

519
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: They need to go fu me, y'all.

520
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 6: That's a character and that's just.

521
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: How it comes to being a server.

522
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 4: I was a server for years. I know how hard

523
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 4: that job is, and I know how underpaid those people are,

524
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: and I was also just.

525
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: Able to do it.

526
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: You gave me the box.

527
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: It ain't that much shit to put in this box,

528
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: so let me just put it in the box.

529
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: So to me, I'm like, why I gotta wait for

530
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 4: you to do this, for you to take it back there, like,

531
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: just give me the box, we'll see.

532
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: It, toget it. You talk about the pay, I'm like,

533
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: well they didn't text broccoli shouldn't have been twenty dollars.

534
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: So because I'm I remember this dinner, where do we go?

535
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: The type place where we sat at the bar.

536
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 6: Oh, when she put the boxes together, did you ask

537
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 6: for the box?

538
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: That's how I said.

539
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: I didn't even remember to to go.

540
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: I had it all up.

541
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: She packed it all up.

542
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: We saw heavy, we saw walking down the street. I said,

543
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: bitchuaite even got off.

544
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: I had mine.

545
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: It's like, well no.

546
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: But that that has nothing. I don't. Maybe that's deeply

547
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: connected to me not feeling worthy for it and.

548
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 4: I'll, i'll, i will deaf, I will sit with that,

549
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 4: and I will explore that. But in that moment, truly,

550
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 4: I think a big part of it is that I

551
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 4: really identify with working class people because I have.

552
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: Been that for so long and I am.

553
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 4: If I'm able to do something, I don't need you

554
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: to do it, just because you know, society tells us

555
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: that the higher you know, the value systems mean you

556
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 4: need to do that, you need to wait on me.

557
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: You're already in a position of like servitude. It's just like,

558
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: fuck it. I can pack my own food.

559
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: And I think for me, there's a there's a lack

560
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: of survivors remorse on my end. I busted my ass. Yes,

561
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: I've spread my ass.

562
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 4: Which is why I understand your well, because we had

563
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: these conversations right where I have said to you, a

564
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 4: lot of what you say that you feel within corporate

565
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: America does not translate to your personal relationships at all.

566
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: Where's it?

567
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 6: Where's it?

568
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: Mandy is one of the most giving, one of the

569
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 4: like She is not this person that's hoarding resources in

570
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: any way with the people that she loves. My challenge,

571
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: my challenge to you is to is to expand that

572
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: and if that, if you can't, then I get that

573
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 4: because you're also somebody who has not received that type

574
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: of treatment from the community, right, you had to get

575
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: it the hard way.

576
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: And that's why I say.

577
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 4: Your your your feelings are completely valid, and I know

578
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: why you feel that way. My my other challenge to

579
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: you is, just because it was that hard for you,

580
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that we should encourage it to be that

581
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: hard for others, or that we should create those obstacles

582
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: for others. Just because I hear a lot of people

583
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 4: it's like the student loans, right, the forgiveness. I paid

584
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 4: my student loans off the fucking hard way, waiting them

585
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: tables dead ass.

586
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: And I have the money to pay it off. And

587
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: I said, and I hope my money.

588
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 4: Immediately was I hope that everybody gets their student loans forgiven.

589
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of people who are like, no,

590
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: I paid mine off, they should have to pay theirs

591
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: off too. I would never feel like that, because why

592
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: would I want them? Why would I want their journey

593
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 4: to be as hard as mine fucking was. If it

594
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 4: could be better for you, then it's better for the

595
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: fucking community. And so what I'm challenging even the listeners,

596
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 4: the viewers, is to like think outside of just you.

597
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: Like that's hard. It's so fucking so hard, especially when

598
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: you've been burned.

599
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: I be honest, I grew up with you know a

600
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: lot of support, like emotional support, and you I'm sure

601
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: you right, you talked about that, so you you are

602
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: coming at it from a survival mode where it is

603
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: individual because it was just you for so fucking long.

604
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 4: I've had a community around me. I've been blessed to

605
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: have a community around me. So I see the value

606
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: in it, and I'm willing to invest in it in

607
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 4: a different way. I don't know that you've seen the

608
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 4: value in these communities.

609
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean even my family growing up, single parent household,

610
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: my mom being the mom and dad working multiple jobs,

611
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: me having to work since I was fourteen fifteen, And

612
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean I remember even that this is gonna be,

613
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound awful, but this is how I know.

614
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: I've had this mindset for so long. I remember working

615
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: at Quizno's first job.

616
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: They used to have good sandwiches. When they first came out.

617
00:31:52,400 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: Their sandwiches shit on somewhat okayse was good no no, no, no, yeah,

618
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: God good actually smart that carbon hit. But I remember

619
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: I was fifteen when I had that job. My cousin

620
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: was the manager, but I started at six seventy five.

621
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: You got a quarter raise when you learned all the sandwiches.

622
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: My heart, so baby, I went in and was like,

623
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn these sandwiches. I'm gonna know the soups,

624
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: the ones you put in the balls. I'm gonna learn everything.

625
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: And how old were you?

626
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: Fifteen? So this is ninth grade summer, summer going into

627
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: ninth grade, or so I was fourteen? I was fourteen.

628
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: I was fifteen because as soon as I could work

629
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: at the mall, bitch I left it went to demo.

630
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: I wanted my discount on the koujie. Anyways, so I'm

631
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: fifteen years old and I'm in work and I'm like,

632
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm showing up early, I'm staying late if they need

633
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: to all these things. I learned the sandwiches in like

634
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: two weeks. So by the time I get my check,

635
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: my second check, I'm at seven dollars an hour. I

636
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: feel so proud, I said, bitch did that. There's another

637
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: guy that works there who's been there longer than me.

638
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: He is probably thirty five, has two kids and lives

639
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: with his people. And I remember even just the way

640
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: he talked down on me. I'll never forget because even

641
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: in that moment, he felt like he was superior of me.

642
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but be like, fuck, nigga, you at Quiznos.

643
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: You work in the same job as a fifteen year old.

644
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: You gotta do this. But even the fact that you

645
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: have so much more responsibility in the same setting where

646
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: I even know more than you, you gonna talk down

647
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: on me, even in terms of how I've had to

648
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: work harder in places where people older than me or

649
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: that had more than me didn't respect me. That's where

650
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: when we talk about community, we have the same goals

651
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: when you're behind the line making sound, which so we

652
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: could talk about even as a black community, we have

653
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: the same goals. We want more for us, some of reparations,

654
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: some don't. Whatever. In every job I've had, whether we're

655
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: supposed to be a team or not, it's never felt

656
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: like that I could take this even to ey. This

657
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Speaker 1: man that sat behind me would show up to work

658
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Speaker 1: late all the time. I would show up early. Guess

659
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Speaker 1: we got a worse review than him because I wasn't

660
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Speaker 1: sleeping under the desk for work and doing all these things.

661
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Speaker 1: Though he left early, came late, he could for religious reasons.

662
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: The fact that again we have the same goal. This

663
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Speaker 1: man is being rated whatever he's being rated, and as

664
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Speaker 1: a black woman on the same team with the same goal,

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Speaker 1: I'm being torn down because I'm not showing up a

666
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Speaker 1: certain way. Again, I say all have to say, from

667
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: quiznos to corporate, in every facet of life, in every

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00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: way possible, shape or form, I don't feel like community

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00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: is a word that really exists. Teamwork doesn't exist. But

670
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Speaker 1: y'all just ended a podcast because partnership don't even really

671
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Speaker 1: motherfucking exists. That I have never seen that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, there's a couple of things there, and this is

673
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Speaker 4: and I appreciate, I definitely I feel you, okay. And

674
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Speaker 4: some of what you're talking about is directly related to

675
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 4: capitalism directly right. I wrote this down before I came

676
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: in here, and it was the capitalism. My issues with

677
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: it is that it's an unfair distribution of wealth and

678
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: power most often determined by race and gender. Capitalism and

679
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 4: white supremacy and patriarchally are deeply intertwined.

680
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Speaker 3: The accumulation of wealth.

681
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: It's often, if not always, on the backs of black

682
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Speaker 4: and brown and indigenous people through various forms of economic

683
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Speaker 4: and cultural ex exploitation, in.

684
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Speaker 3: Addition to inhumane treatment of workers. Upholding whiteness.

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Speaker 4: You're talking to me about spaces right where people are

686
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Speaker 4: benefiting more than for whatever reason. Right capitalism allows for that,

687
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Speaker 4: It creates that reality. It helps make these rules. You're

688
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 4: talking about being frustrated being a fourteen fifteen year old

689
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Speaker 4: having to learn all of this stuff, having to work mode,

690
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 4: and you shouldn't have to do that. So what I'm

691
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Speaker 4: saying is we have to envision something else for ourselves.

692
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Speaker 4: We have to say this isn't the fuck it, or

693
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Speaker 4: we just have to lay down and say this is it, and.

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Speaker 3: Then it's just Survival of the Fittest.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. I like Hunger Games, uh,

696
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna lie one of my favorite films.

697
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Speaker 4: But this is where I just called bullshit now because

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Speaker 4: you're not like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not like it conservative in terms of right, like

700
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Speaker 1: when Survival of the Fittest and you've made fun of

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Speaker 1: me because I've come from where I've come from and

702
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Speaker 1: been able to get what I've wanted. I've spoken into existing,

703
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: I've stayed up late, I've figured out how to do it.

704
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: I am that and I don't want to mag this out.

705
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Speaker 1: Get yourself up from the bootstraps, like pick yourself up

706
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Speaker 1: from the bootstraps and don't make But but.

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Speaker 4: You just said just a couple of seconds minutes ago

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Speaker 4: that if you agree that, like with the student loan thing,

709
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Speaker 4: if people can have their student loans forgiven.

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Speaker 1: Then it's forgiven. Yes, I'm talking about though in terms,

711
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Speaker 1: but that's.

712
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Speaker 3: Not pull yourself up by the boots.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, that's that's forgiveness through something else. No, no, no, no,

714
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Speaker 1: I want them to have their forgiven. I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: Those it's the same concept.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the same concept. You think it's

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00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: the same concept because you paid your loans off and

718
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Speaker 1: you there's a difference there. To me, what I'm saying

719
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Speaker 1: is Sally may not get hurt. Don for me, whether

720
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Speaker 1: niggas get their shit forgiven or not, I guess I

721
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 1: don't think of the bigger picture. If that makes sense

722
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Speaker 1: to me. That is draining. It's exhausting, and sometimes when

723
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Speaker 1: I hear you speak with the passion because you care

724
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Speaker 1: so much, it doesn't sound fun to care about I

725
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: don't want the people, and I know that sounds crazy,

726
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Speaker 1: it sounds exhausting to me, and I get it. But

727
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Speaker 1: to sit here and want to see change that we

728
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: also know may never be a reality, I do think

729
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Speaker 1: that it's just easier, and this is going to sound

730
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Speaker 1: also awful. I think it's easier to actually care about

731
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Speaker 1: my life and my life only and not about what

732
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Speaker 1: everyone else has to do with it, because I've dealt

733
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Speaker 1: with a lot of bullshit myself, and I would never

734
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Speaker 1: want to put that on people, which is why, even

735
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Speaker 1: when I went friends, I know you and I talk

736
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Speaker 1: sometimes I don't want to tell you all the things

737
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Speaker 1: that I'm actually drowning in, because, bro, I just life

738
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Speaker 1: is better than me talking about the things that I

739
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Speaker 1: can't control.

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Speaker 4: I think if I was in a place in my

741
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Speaker 4: life where I didn't have the capacity.

742
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Speaker 3: To feel the way that I feel.

743
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Speaker 4: That I probably wouldn't be able to be as intentional

744
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: and operates as I try to do.

745
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Speaker 3: I fail often.

746
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Speaker 4: I think I've done a lot of work to let

747
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Speaker 4: go of the stuff that I'm still holding on.

748
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: To go ahead and call me out bitch, bitch, go

749
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Speaker 1: to therapy. You still holding on to it?

750
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've tried to let go of a lot of

751
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: that pain and create a new narrative for myself. I

752
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 4: think you and I are similar in this narrative that

753
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: I'm alone and people are They're not going to follow through.

754
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 4: I can only really rely on me. And I realized

755
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: I had someone tell me that, Like, is that a

756
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Speaker 4: true narrative? Does that?

757
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 6: Sure?

758
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 4: That exists in your workspace and this and that, But

759
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Speaker 4: when it comes to community, Antonette, you have a community,

760
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Speaker 4: a real one. You've had the same friends since you

761
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Speaker 4: since fourteen. You have two loving parents, you have a

762
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Speaker 4: wonderful sister, you have a wonderful brother in law, you

763
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: have a partner. Now you're actually not alone. Are you

764
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Speaker 4: getting all of the thing?

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Speaker 1: Well?

766
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: Are okay? But are you getting all of your needs

767
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: met in those relationships?

768
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Speaker 4: Not all of them. But you have a community, and

769
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: you have a community where you can talk to them

770
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: and work on expanding your relationship, deepening your relationship so

771
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Speaker 4: your needs are more met.

772
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Speaker 1: I think that's my thing. I got community with friends,

773
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: love y'all down. That's the community you've born, and that's

774
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: the place where I feel safe right right. But even

775
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: though Amazon just got rid of DEI I love my

776
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: Amazon Prime and the easiness, like the easiness of it,

777
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: the convenience of it. And so where my community is

778
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: within my friends, and I want to make sure my

779
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: friends got it. However I can help my friends. That's

780
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Speaker 1: what I pour into. All the other things that you

781
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Speaker 1: care about, well, everything else.

782
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Speaker 3: It's too much.

783
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't have the capacity.

784
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 4: Listen, it's too much. And I've told myself it's too much.

785
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 4: I have told myself, Antnette, you need to pick three

786
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: things that you care a whole lot about.

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Speaker 1: Can we do that? What is it? I'm still thinking

788
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: about what are the three things you really care about?

789
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: Because Crystal does this often to me and when we

790
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: when we have even the conversation, she's like, what do

791
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: you stand for?

792
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

793
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: And I think that that's the question that has always

794
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: asked when I go off on these tangents and where

795
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: I think, do you stand for anything? And I think

796
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: when I have to think of what I stand for

797
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: or in ways I feel like I would make change,

798
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: it's only one thing, and it's crazy because the bitch

799
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: don't want kids. But it's reproductive rights. That's it. I

800
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: want women to be able to make the decisions that

801
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Speaker 1: they want for their own body when it comes to

802
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: sex and health. That's it. Other than that like which

803
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: is why and y'all will hear jokes coming into the

804
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: season of.

805
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Speaker 3: You want women to have equal pay?

806
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: I want. I want all the rights for all the women.

807
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: So there's a plethora of things for you to cheers.

808
00:41:59,520 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: The thing.

809
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: I also don't like all women.

810
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Speaker 1: Some of them holes get on my nerves. But when

811
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Speaker 1: I think of the only thing I stand on that

812
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: will make me vote blue.

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Speaker 7: Mm hm, is I gotta do this when that Florida

814
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Speaker 7: just none of my don't because I still understand and

815
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Speaker 7: to stay to Florida, and I voted for Kamala.

816
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: But I think that that is where when we talk

817
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: about money and I care about it, I will pay

818
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: whatever I need to pay in taxes and everything to

819
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: make sure women still have the rights for their bodies,

820
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Speaker 1: which is why I didn't vote red. However, I agree

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Speaker 1: with some of that ship over there too. You know

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Speaker 1: I make I'm purple. You know, I think that's the color.

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Speaker 4: You don't need to be a I don't want to

824
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: hear screaming I'm a democrat.

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Speaker 1: No, no, we're not doing that. We're not liberal conservative?

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Speaker 6: Is that what it isnt can can try to read you?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, fiscally conservative, socially liberal. Thank you. That's what

828
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: I learned about myself. But yeah, I don't know. I'm

829
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm in this space where again finding what works

830
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: for me, what my moral grouning is. Even dating you

831
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: already know I'll be like, think I'm not monogamous. That's

832
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: what I'm leaning into. And I like to be honest,

833
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: But niggas lie what am I doing here? Like I

834
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: think in every which way I want to make a difference,

835
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Speaker 1: even going to horrible decisions and thinking we can empower

836
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Speaker 1: and you know, empower the word or and see a

837
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Speaker 1: difference in life, and that not happening.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you've done that for individuals, but here

839
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Speaker 4: we go individuals, but not enough people to see change

840
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Speaker 4: or to me make a difference.

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00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: Word. Yes, I believe I've made a difference in thousands

842
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: of women's lives. That is my legacy. That's what I leave. However,

843
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't see it making.

844
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Speaker 4: As where that consumerism that that like Amazon, I want

845
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 4: my package tomorrow, like I want my change tomorrow too.

846
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Speaker 3: I don't have.

847
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Speaker 4: Any patients like it needs to be down now now.

848
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 4: And sometimes you put stuff out in the world and

849
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: you gotta hope that it catches on. And I think

850
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: the years from now, people will look back on horrible

851
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 4: and it will be quite important for a lot of folks.

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Speaker 4: Yea horrible itself that half these dollies wouldn't have.

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00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: A podcast if it was.

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00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 4: Shot out to them, because there's space for everybody, right.

855
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: But to be very clear, okay, you you have created

856
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 3: space where people can now sustain themselves and their families

857
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: because you created a lane. So that's not nothing. It

858
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: might not be on this global scale that we wanted

859
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: to be yet, but it is something.

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Speaker 4: I think maybe the more love you feel, the more

861
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 4: love you're going to be able to give. The less

862
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 4: harm you feel, the less harmful we will be. I'll

863
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: include myself in that you have not been treated kindly

864
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 4: in a lot of spaces. I completely understand why you're like,

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00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 4: I have to take care of me. What I'm my

866
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 4: hope for you is is that you experience something else

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00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: so that the we gets incorporated a little more. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And I think it's possible. Not everybody's going to be

869
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: in the same place, but I'm still going to be

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00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: Fuck Starbucks. I'm not I'm not supporting you. You know,

871
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 4: like I have to do better at recognizing that I

872
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: can't save the world, but I also have to pick

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00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 4: my three fucking things.

874
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 3: It's like, these are the three things I hear about.

875
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: You said you haven't pickted three things yet.

876
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 3: No, I what I'm insane and I can't narrow it down.

877
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: I want to shake the table a little bit, I know,

878
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: just just a little bit, just a little bit, just

879
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: a little bit. This is where we mix things up

880
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: and kind of see things from a different angle. And

881
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: because you do, I would say, pride yourself in making

882
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: the efforts I do. Want to know, what.

883
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: Are you about to do you look up.

884
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: Every company or corporation that you consume.

885
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I would drive myself crazy because I'd

886
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 4: be heartbroken every two seconds because everything is fucking harmful.

887
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: This okay, so this is kind of I get.

888
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: It, kind of capitalism.

889
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: It's so crazy because you just said everything. I just said, oh.

890
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: Well everything, No, no, no, everything is harmful. Not everything. I

891
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: shouldn't say everything.

892
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 4: There are definitely small businesses and things that you could support, YadA, YadA, YadA.

893
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely. When I say everything, I mean the.

894
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: Apples, everything almost getting some love now because they're not

895
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: getting ready of their DEI they were just like, we're

896
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 4: gonna we're not gonna get crucified on social media.

897
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: It's gonna look good for us.

898
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 4: Fine, they still donated to Trump's inauguration fund, all of them,

899
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 4: they all.

900
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 3: They all kissed the ring they got to.

901
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those where like, so the

902
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: other day I went and I had some s car

903
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: got right, that ship, that's my ship? So what why'd

904
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: you look over?

905
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 8: Guve?

906
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: And I posted it on the Instagram and somebody wrote

907
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: me it was like, you really shouldn't be in that

908
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: there's like parasites or some ship. And I was like,

909
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: you shouldn't go outside and breathe. There's fucking ship in

910
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: the air. And so I think that.

911
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: That inundated with information, and I think that.

912
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: That's like my issue with the idea of aligning capitalism

913
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: with the thing with the day to day life. Everything

914
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: is harmful. Our foods are ship. When we walk out,

915
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: we're breathing in air and fire fumes down if here

916
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: in fucking California, nothing is safe for us. So I

917
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: think this idea that nothing is safe for us community

918
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: wants to be a real community. That makes me want

919
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: to be sele actively ignorant and not. It's too much

920
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: between Twitter, between the documentaries and I'll be honest with you.

921
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: You know what else gets me fucking AI and the

922
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: goddamn onion pages. Bro, someone got me the other day.

923
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: It said that they was they was like getting rid

924
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,959
Speaker 1: of uncrustables. Bit it ruined my day and don't right.

925
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 3: I don't look at me, look at the out line.

926
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm like this date because y'all wanted to act like

927
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: I was.

928
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: Trump says he what did he say he was doing

929
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 4: when he started talking? He starts riffing literally Trump, he

930
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: was saying that he's actually brilliant. Think he's crazy, but

931
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 4: he's like, y'all don't understands.

932
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: What immediately happened was y'all brought up where I was

933
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: not relatable with the s cargo, So I said, actually,

934
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: I really was heard about my crustibles.

935
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: I want to know the idity.

936
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: I see everybody. Duality is a thing I did want

937
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: to ask you then, on the same thing of shaking

938
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: the table when you keep bringing up community you brought

939
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: up the Montgomery boycott. I brought up the NFL shit

940
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: that didn't really play out. Mind you, Kaepernick trying to

941
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: get back in the league. Crazy, But do you believe

942
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: organizing is dead at all? You don't believe organizing is down,

943
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: So you believe it's still possible to make waves?

944
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely in organizing. Absolutely.

945
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 4: I think we would be foolish to think that organizing

946
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 4: is not currently happening. And I mean it's happening honestly

947
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 4: on a lot.

948
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: Of local levels. There's a lot of organizing.

949
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 4: One for instance, I mean they got played, but in Philly,

950
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 4: like there was mass mass organizations because they wanted to

951
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 4: move the arena. The Sixers Arena got into Chinatown and

952
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 4: displace all of those people. People were going crazy about

953
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 4: this and also create a crazy gridlock for downtown for

954
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 4: all kinds of stuff. The mayor pushed it through, city

955
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 4: Hall approved it. All of a sudden, it didn't go through.

956
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's because of the organizers, but

957
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 4: I do know that city Hall and the mayor got played.

958
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 4: But I know that people definitely organize against that, and

959
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 4: they're the stadium staying where it is. You have the

960
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 4: working Families Party, which is very grassroots. We're actually going

961
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 4: to have him on a podcast. You have people out

962
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: here that are doing a lot of stuff on the

963
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 4: local level. We just don't consume that it's not sexy.

964
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 4: It doesn't get the likes, and so we don't see it.

965
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 4: So we're because we don't see it in our ignorant minds,

966
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 4: We're like, it's not happening.

967
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: Nobody's doing it. We have no black leaders. It's not true.

968
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: I know.

969
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 7: Research voices that need to shut the fuck out.

970
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 8: From that give Scott says that the revolution won't be televised, right,

971
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 8: So think about that concept. The people that's doing the work,

972
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 8: they're not doing it for cloud. They're not doing it.

973
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 8: You've seen they did going to the representative. They holding

974
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 8: feet the fire. And I think now where we as

975
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 8: a culture you pull up the phone earlier, we're so

976
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 8: entrapped byest thing. We always look for what's behind it

977
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 8: for approval for these things. Community is not sexy. Community

978
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 8: is not you know, you gotta do the community shit.

979
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 8: And it started just to jump on what you said before.

980
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 8: Community starts with your ecosystem, the strongs, the five people,

981
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 8: the six seven people, they're going to have their old

982
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 8: micro ecosystems, and that's the community.

983
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 6: You just don't need to see it in real time.

984
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 4: Community is I got to come up to New York

985
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 4: and record for a week. I need your apartment is free,

986
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 4: I need a place to stay.

987
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: Boom, you got it. That's community.

988
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: They got community. It's just all the other niggas.

989
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 8: I don't know.

990
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 6: They're not part of the ecosystem.

991
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: I know, I mean, and I value my ecosystem. I think.

992
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: I think that's where when when we were having these

993
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: broad topics, I just like to look at things logically

994
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: and so where even where we began. You want to

995
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: create this reality for yourself because it makes you feel better.

996
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: I have a way where I can't.

997
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 3: Capitalism is real.

998
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 5: You know.

999
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 4: I'm never going to sit here and say that I

1000
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: do not live in a capitalist society, in a world

1001
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 4: where my labor will be exploited. That is the basis

1002
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 4: of capitalism. If you do some labor, I'm going to

1003
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 4: pay you, not what its value is. I'm gonna pay

1004
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 4: you less than that so that I can profit from

1005
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 4: your labor.

1006
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I live in that world.

1007
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is my contribution to this world is

1008
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 4: going to be me doing everything I can to be

1009
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 4: as least harmful to those marginalized community. And I'm going

1010
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: to hope and pray and try to imagine something else

1011
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 4: and put myself in spaces.

1012
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: Where hopefully we're working towards that.

1013
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to shut up about it because

1014
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 4: there's like everybody is a capitalist because we are looking

1015
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 4: at I hate this, We're looking at black capitalism and

1016
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 4: thinking that that's the fucking goal and it's not.

1017
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: That's just fucking harmful. I love Beyonce, I love Jay,

1018
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: I love Rihanna.

1019
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 4: Y'all are fucking harmful and not you personally, you as people,

1020
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 4: but your existence as billionaires Oprah all y'all, whether you

1021
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 4: give back or not or like, it's harmful.

1022
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: So they're a mass of wealth. They're harmatic. But let

1023
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: me finish the Minissance concert.

1024
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: Secret that.

1025
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 4: Yes, and I'm saying I say I fail all the time.

1026
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 4: I'm not somebody that like, Yeah, I like Beyonce and

1027
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 4: I want to see the show.

1028
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 3: So yes, I'm.

1029
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 4: Contributing to her mass wealth and that's something that fucks

1030
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 4: me up.

1031
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: It's it fucks me up.

1032
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 4: Also, they're harmful, not they they're not actively trying to

1033
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 4: be harmful. I personally don't believe there's any way to

1034
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 4: become a billionaire without exploiting people. You just can't fucking

1035
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 4: do it. Cut it out, but.

1036
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: You just can't do it. Do this because.

1037
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 4: To know them being hungry, them being the models is

1038
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 4: harmful because that creates that individualistic outlook for folks where

1039
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 4: it's like I got to get to that and I'm

1040
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 4: stopping on anybody that's in my way. Fuck community, It's

1041
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: about me, and I'm trying to get to where they're at.

1042
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: She has to behive.

1043
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: She's built community, you know what I mean.

1044
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: So that that is where that type of thinking is like.

1045
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 4: And honestly, we don't have to. And what I'm saying

1046
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 4: is I'm not encouraging people to be fucking poor. There's enough,

1047
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 4: There is enough out here for folks to have their

1048
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 4: needs met hans. Nobody needs to be poor, nobody needs

1049
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 4: to be unhoused, nobody needs to be suffering and.

1050
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: To go without.

1051
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 4: I'm saying, because people have it won't allow us to

1052
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: live in any kind of way where we're actually like

1053
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 4: enjoying this earth and actually actually providing resources for other people.

1054
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 4: We don't understand that until there's a disaster, When there's

1055
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 4: a disaster and Fema comes and we're all.

1056
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: Social even for that, and we're socialized for a week

1057
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: and a half.

1058
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 3: No, I said, socialist like people get it.

1059
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: But I think though that that's the thing when I

1060
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: look back in even all the history books and things

1061
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: like this, this classic system, this idea that there's the

1062
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: haves and the have nots is what makes this world

1063
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: like is how we're able to exist. That's how the

1064
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: world is always to see. And that's where this idea

1065
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: of a utopia where everyone can be on the same

1066
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 1: playing field and everything can be equal.

1067
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 3: To me as long as to me it's a sci

1068
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: fi film, you know.

1069
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: No, Like, I don't think it's it's a reality that

1070
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: can ever exist. I think whenever we get to the

1071
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: other planet, they got a classic system too.

1072
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: I just feel, like Mandy do.

1073
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 4: There's been so many cases where I put myself and

1074
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 4: because I'm reading this here flush again and I put

1075
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 4: myself and she talks about people being enslaved, right, the

1076
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 4: enslaved people. I try to imagine myself being an enslaved

1077
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 4: person and trying to organize within that cohort of enslaved

1078
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 4: people right, trying to find space to love, right, to

1079
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 4: have babies, to have marriages, to figure out ways to

1080
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 4: actually get free, to create language, to still worship God,

1081
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 4: trying to make space for that. And I'm like, Yo,

1082
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 4: if they could imagine that and there was that possibility

1083
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 4: for them, we we have to do better. But to me,

1084
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 4: the root of that imagination was the community and the

1085
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 4: people who were about individuals we hear about and we

1086
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: called them, what Uncle Tom's house, negros, you sold out,

1087
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 4: You ain't sure, you weren't here.

1088
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 3: For the people. So I think about that often and I'm.

1089
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Speaker 4: Like, what what kind of strength, bitch?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: Seriously?

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Speaker 4: But what what was in them that enabled them to

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00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 4: imagine freedom?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? Like I can't imagine that.

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine being in that position and being like, yo,

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00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 4: there has to be something else.

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Speaker 3: Let's collectively figure that out. And they fucking did.

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Speaker 1: They did it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's kind of why I'm like, there's no

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Speaker 4: way that this ship is not actually possible. We just

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Speaker 4: have to be a collective because we outnumber these motherfuckers.

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Speaker 4: It's one point one percent this horn.

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Speaker 1: Because people now we don't know, but they were able

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Speaker 1: to still make.

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Speaker 4: Come on, now, you had Amazon people delivering packages in

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Speaker 4: the middle of those Palisades fires.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad they delivered mine in a snowstorm.

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Speaker 6: I was.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, That's what I'm saying, Like, that's the topic stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's be like seeing that. That's one of the things

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Speaker 3: that I'm like, I can't funk with you.

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Speaker 1: Not with the fire, but the.

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Speaker 3: Subscription canceled, Like I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Doing it, Like that's you, yeah, subscribe people at risk,

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00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 4: Like I'm good, I'll figure out another way to get it.

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Speaker 4: I will plan ahead to get my ship when I

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Speaker 4: need it, and I don't need it overnight.

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Speaker 3: It's just crazy. I'm like, really, we will. These people

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Speaker 3: are It's just crazy. I can't deal with it. It's like these.

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Speaker 4: People are literally having all kinds of issues in these warehouses.

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Speaker 3: They're being like, it's absurd the type.

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Speaker 4: Of inhumane treatment that these Amazon's workers experience all based

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Speaker 4: off of us consuming When is it the fuck enough?

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Speaker 3: When do you have enough?

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Speaker 4: Like I'm just don't.

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Speaker 6: Choices right too.

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Speaker 5: It's like when you talk about community, like those Amazon

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00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 5: jobs used to be like union jobs, or they used

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Speaker 5: to be or they used to be like look, that

1131
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 5: job forty years ago was like a fact, a warehouse job.

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00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 5: You either unionized or you had a pension. And you

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00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 5: can see, you know, see executives make decisions now like

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Speaker 5: you know, instead of pension, will do four one ca.

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Speaker 5: So now it's on you. Yeah, like yougur, you got

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00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 5: to figure out we're not going to think about a

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Speaker 5: community safety net for it, Like it's on you.

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Speaker 3: And so so I can pocket that money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can continue to hoard resources to become richer

1140
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: and richer and richer, and you can't take none of

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00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 4: that shit, which.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just also difficult because when we think

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00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: of and this will be my last thing, because it

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00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: just immediately made me think of yes, us having the

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00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: iPhone gang and also shaming the niggas with green bubbles.

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Speaker 1: But for people who don't have the money to spend

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Speaker 1: on luxury, we all know that it's kids making our

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Speaker 1: shean clothes as women, and even the fact that we

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Speaker 1: as as workers and working class that don't have a

1150
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: lot of money also don't want to see those T

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Speaker 1: shirts go from two dollars to twenty dollars. We like

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00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: that those clothes are affordable to us.

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00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: And there's some people need them to be affordable.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. And so even to think

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00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: of the moral compass of it all, where I wouldn't

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01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: shame those people that keep buying she In because the

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01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: prices are low, even after finding out, so they're going

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01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: to be selectively ignorant to liking the prices but knowing

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Speaker 1: that they're being made at the hands of children that

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Speaker 1: are making fit.

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Speaker 4: This is about shame. None of this freedom does not

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01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 4: start with shame. None of this is about that. What

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Speaker 4: it is about is folks who have means, intentionally time

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Speaker 4: to do the least amount of harm possible. If you

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Speaker 4: are someone that can only afford she In, then you

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01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 4: have to do what you have to do. And I

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01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 4: understand that there are other alternatives. Though, right you want

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01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 4: she In because it's cute, fine, I hear you. There's

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01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 4: also thrift stores. There's also other ways to get clothing

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Speaker 4: on your back. You're still making a choice. But I'm

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Speaker 4: not shaming anybody for that. I understand that that is

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01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 4: the reality. That is what capitalism do you see what

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 4: I'm saying. It creates this reality, this way of being

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01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 4: for all of us, and it is unsustainable.

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01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 3: We're seeing that when.

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Speaker 4: It when it comes to there is a class war

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Speaker 4: brewing in this country.

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Speaker 6: We just saw it with Luigi.

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Speaker 3: There is a class war happens.

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Speaker 4: We just saw it with the fires, where people were

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01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 4: like them, they got money, crazy mad people. I don't

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Speaker 4: have time, Okay, but I don't know what the hell

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01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 4: happened with Luigi. But the response to Luigi, you're right, okay, yeah,

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01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 4: and this will wrap it up.

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Speaker 1: Well. We talk about community, when we talk about individualism,

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01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: when we talk about the haves and the have nots.

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: It's exactly what I'm seeing with the lack of empathy

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01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: to the millionaires who lost their homes in comparison to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the community. The fact that these are

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01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: still families with kids that still have to work to

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01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: have accumulated whatever what they have. Looking online and seeing

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01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: how many people do not give a fuck about the

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01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: loss of a roof and a home and all the

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01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: memories because this person has more money than you.

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01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you dehumanize them, And.

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01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: That's where we're at. I think at the end of

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01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: the day, that's where I'm like, the way we have

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Speaker 1: our ability to comprehend things or come up with our

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01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: own opinions or come up with the ideas of what

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01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: can exist if we do just a little bit of

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01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: the research and see how it's been done in the history.

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Speaker 1: We completely like that as a society.

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Speaker 4: I think these people have been harmed by a lot

1204
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 4: of the people who are responding like that have been

1205
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 4: harmed by this system, and they're not recognizing the fact

1206
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 4: that it's capitalism, not.

1207
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: These not these individuals visuals.

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01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 4: Right, there is something to be said about someone who

1209
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 4: loses a home who will be able to rebuild, and

1210
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 4: someone who loses a home and that was everything that

1211
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,479
Speaker 4: they've ever had in life rut into that they still

1212
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 4: have to make mortgage payments on the burned home, which

1213
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 4: is crazy capitalism.

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01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: Yea, the sky insurance, the fire shit.

1215
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 3: This is when I'm talking about capitalism where I have

1216
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 3: a real issue. You are exploiting these people.

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01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 4: You are exploiting people who are in need, dire need,

1218
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 4: who just had their lives like the fucking carpet ripped

1219
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 4: from out under them, and you see opportunity for profit.

1220
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 4: Shame on that. That's where the shame lies. So it's

1221
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 4: less about the person that's making thirty thousand dollars getting

1222
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 4: an Amazon package. It's the structural system of profitability over

1223
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 4: everything and anything else.

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01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: I agree, So we gonna end it with the now

1225
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: what so we agree? No? No, no, no, I agree? Where

1226
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: do we disagree?

1227
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 6: What?

1228
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: What your sound like?

1229
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 3: Y'all agree?

1230
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: We just just don't because you don't care for each other.

1231
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 6: It's like.

1232
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: Conversation with your disagree so politely.

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01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 8: But but but that's inverbal the actions agree with each other.

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01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, because the way operates is the what I'm

1235
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 4: talking about that and that's why with her, But nigga,

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01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 4: I got an Amazon order right now.

1237
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm waiting all you feel me? What don't see that?

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01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 3: You just look.

1239
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 4: I have to pay my battles and I'm learning that

1240
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 4: and I have to be less judgmental.

1241
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 6: Recording time? How much? And Palestine reached that ceasefire agreement?

1242
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: They yeah, who went back on.

1243
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 6: No more?

1244
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 4: Yaady went back on it in mamas, Yeah, he said, yeah.

1245
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. This morning, I said, you gotta be kidding.

1246
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 6: We won't put that.

1247
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 3: Today. That happened, all right.

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: Well, I always have a question for the audience, and

1249
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: so I want to leave you guys with this question.

1250
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: After our conversation, has your mind changed? Are you making

1251
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: decisions with your dollars to help the community or your

1252
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: dollars for yourself. I don't like that because that wasn't

1253
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: really I was on the flock you started. But also

1254
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: give me I don't like that. Is that really what

1255
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:29,959
Speaker 1: I said?

1256
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 3: All this conversations enough you said a lot more.

1257
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no for yours No, no, no, no no, it's already over. Anyways,

1258
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: I want you all to share your answers and the

1259
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: comments over on our social media page. You guys can

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01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: get that in the description of this episode, and especially

1261
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: over on our Patreon page. There's the discord. And I

1262
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: am going to encourage this type of discourse where we

1263
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: can find a way to agree to disagree with respect.

1264
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: God damn it, because that's what we just We just

1265
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: did a masterclass day because y'all we are real friends

1266
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: and clearly she's like bitch Starbucks, Amazon could suck my

1267
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: dick from the back. Crazy. Anyways, where can our audience

1268
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: listen to you? Because now with this not y'allhoo.

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01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,959
Speaker 3: Y'all more fun than this, though my podcast is fun

1270
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 3: y'all too. I'm talking about ship over here.

1271
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 4: I'm all serious, Like, you have to think about community.

1272
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 4: We're not just like tenfoil hell all the time.

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01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: But ye'ah know, y'all have to tune in when she

1274
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: decides to do shrooms on airs shrews.

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01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 4: Sorry, Edible actually had a crash our episode for our

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01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,919
Speaker 4: four hundredth episode, no.

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01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: Outline, I had no outline.

1278
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck it, let's do it.

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01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: And how'd you feel about that?

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01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 3: It was wonderful. We I cackled that it was an hour.

1281
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 3: We made it to an hour. We did it.

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01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

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01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 3: I know what is the show?

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01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 4: The show is Around the Way Curls. We are a

1285
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 4: dynamic duo. I'll talk about all things duality. But Mondays

1286
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 4: we drop episodes related to politics, pop culture. On Thursdays

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01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 4: it's more meteor episode, evergreen topic, more Ralph matters.

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Speaker 1: Of the heart, you drop that passion but.

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01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, twice a week. Around the Way Curls everywhere.

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01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: You get your podcasts all right, and as always, you

1291
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: could hate it or you could love it. Either way.

1292
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: Are you choosing to be selectively ignorant? Are you choosing

1293
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: to get educated? See you motherfuckers next week.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations you.

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Speaker 6: Cargo for the community.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in the selective ignorance of Mandy B.

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