WEBVTT - Selects: Does the body replace itself?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, it's your old pal Josh for this week's select.

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<v Speaker 1>I've chosen Does the body replace itself every seven years?

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like a medical episode, and it kind of is.

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<v Speaker 1>But after a little while it turns into a brainbuster

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<v Speaker 1>of a head scratcher of a philosophical bent that I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're gonna love. I hope you enjoy the living.

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<v Speaker 2>Heck out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with

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<v Speaker 1>Charles W. Chuck Bryant and guest producer.

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<v Speaker 2>Nol Knowle's in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the it in the new studio. Yeah, man, this

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<v Speaker 1>place is comfy, cozy. I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I'm I don't know, I wish there was

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<v Speaker 3>a chair version of a waterbed.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is a napish little place.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, especially today, I think I'm dragging all apologies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, same here. So if we're talking kind of slow

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<v Speaker 1>or low, or we just stopped talking for a little while,

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<v Speaker 1>it's we're as tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, bumped into you at the Hawks game last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Hey, how many is that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Yeah, just at the bump in yep.

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<v Speaker 1>We were both at the Hawks gaming and the Hawks.

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<v Speaker 3>One didn't even know we were going. Look over in line,

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<v Speaker 3>there's Josh and Yumi. Yeah that's great. There's Chuck and Eddie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep in an arena of eighteen thousand bumping into someone?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that it?

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<v Speaker 1>That's all it holds?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's something like that. It's a good lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good arena.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But you had box seats because you're special.

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<v Speaker 1>They were free out.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine were free to in. The nose bleeds.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked just about every seat in that place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not too bad. I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was laughing about the nosebleeds going in, But then

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<v Speaker 3>I got up there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is great. Yeah you can see everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you nose actually bleed just twice?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, once out of its sheer excitement and then once

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<v Speaker 3>from the altitude and that was more of a spray,

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<v Speaker 3>rightah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Just covering everyone that was like go Hawks.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, what a weird intro.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little weird, but I mean it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>jibes a little bit because we're talking. Yeah you're mentioning blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, it was shedding cells and blood.

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<v Speaker 1>You were like, blood is made up of cells and

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<v Speaker 1>we shed tons of cells. But before we get to that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the fact that the podcast you shed cells. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to mention this one thing I read. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>called I think the title of the article is the

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<v Speaker 1>Self is Moral. It's about like where we get our

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<v Speaker 1>identity of self from, like where it's rooted. It was

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<v Speaker 1>written by a person named Nina Stromyer. I believe it

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<v Speaker 1>was on AON magazine. Yeah, just type in the self

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<v Speaker 1>is Moral aon it'll come up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get you there.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. And towards the beginning, the author says, there's this

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<v Speaker 1>very famous philosophical exercise, which you know, philosophers love to do,

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<v Speaker 1>like mental exercises.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what that's all they hashened.

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<v Speaker 1>So imagine you have like a kind of imagine you

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<v Speaker 1>have like a ship, right, like a boat. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>nice Yankee clipper, okay, okay. And this Yankee clipper is slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>over time kind of salvage for parts. But rather than

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<v Speaker 1>just being stripped, like every time a part is taken out,

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<v Speaker 1>it's replaced, and then over the course of like fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred years, is each plank, as each bolt, as

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<v Speaker 1>each like mast head, even the thing. The carved lady

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<v Speaker 1>in front eventually just gets replaced with something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a new carved lady that speaks of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you know? Is it still though, after every single

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<v Speaker 1>part has been replaced, the same ship that it was before?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I see what you mean. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>can be possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not, especially if it has the same name and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same ship in the same place as before.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just slowly, over time moved out. True, where

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<v Speaker 1>does the self lie?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good point, man, Like redoing a house,

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<v Speaker 3>same thing, Yeah, I mean, like they saw the floors

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<v Speaker 3>and the walls and the windows, Like, when does it

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<v Speaker 3>cease to become that same house that was built in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirty exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that cool?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It is really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason that it applies to this episode is because,

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of your lifetime, a significant portion, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much all of the cells in your body are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be replaced. Yeah, so that the person even after

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<v Speaker 1>you reach your adult self. Yeah, physically, by the time

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<v Speaker 1>you die, assuming you're gonna die much later, you are

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<v Speaker 1>essentially a different person, at least on the cellular level.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thirty seven trillion cells.

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<v Speaker 1>Ish that's how many we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what they estimate. And I did a little

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<v Speaker 2>looking into.

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<v Speaker 1>Lifespans, like an estimate.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty seven trillion. Yeah, what do you want like to

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<v Speaker 2>like give or take?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I did a little research into lifespans just because

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<v Speaker 3>this all sort of comes back to like your death basically,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's all death is, is your your cells, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>dying little by little.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean if you think about it, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like why do we die?

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<v Speaker 3>If our we'll get to all that, Oh okay, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's intriguing, you know it is it started, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>questions started popping up. So apparently we gained about three

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<v Speaker 3>months every three months of life humanity every year that

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<v Speaker 3>we progress.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the average life span spans by three months.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like if you were born in twenty twelve, the

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<v Speaker 3>average lifespan is now and this is the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>is seventy eight point eight. If you were born in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen oh one, it was about forty seven and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>years for men and women respectively. But if you look

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<v Speaker 3>at the ratio, it's still about three months. Despite all

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<v Speaker 3>our technologies, three months a year, every year, every year.

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<v Speaker 1>Just slowly creeping along.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I think the article it was like when

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to live to be one hundred by average,

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<v Speaker 3>and they say by the year twenty one hundred, if

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<v Speaker 3>things hold, then the average human or American will be

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<v Speaker 3>about one hundred years old.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that, so I guess that will if things

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<v Speaker 1>are steadily progressing. I had heard that like our generation

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<v Speaker 1>would be either the last or the first, the last

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<v Speaker 1>to not hit triple digits or the first two on average. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess these are all gases, you know, so

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<v Speaker 3>who knows. Plus if you believe in like things speeding science,

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<v Speaker 3>speeding up?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what is that? Moore's law?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Is that it? Yeah, applied to computers, so in

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<v Speaker 2>that case.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, but I mean you cantend it other stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, then you might think, you know it's it's but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they say it's not increasing like that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, at least not so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Moore's law is exponential growth just adding three months every

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<v Speaker 1>year's yeah, non exponentials geometric. I think we're still at

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<v Speaker 1>non exponential growth definitely. Yeah, we're just adding three months. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not bad though, that's pretty good average every four years.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an extra year, yeah, well, and it's interesting to

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<v Speaker 3>think about. You know, people that were born you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of our colleagues like eight years behind us,

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<v Speaker 3>are going to live an average of.

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<v Speaker 2>Two years longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that seems unfair, sad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, what did they do to.

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<v Speaker 1>Observe that we're we're thinking about our own deaths today? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and chuck that there's this rumor theory, legend maybe okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that your body regenerates itself ninety percent of your body

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<v Speaker 1>regenerates itself every year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not true, but it was a very long

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<v Speaker 1>standing rumor, and it was actually based on science. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not just the idea that, oh yeah, ourselves regenerate.

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<v Speaker 1>So back of the envelope estimate is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we regenerate ninety five or ninety eight percent of ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>every year. It was early experimentation by injecting radioactive isotopes

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<v Speaker 1>into human beings, yeah, and then following their course and

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<v Speaker 1>then making estimates based on that led to this idea.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called pulse labeling, is it. It's like tagging an

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<v Speaker 3>animal in the wild basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, but you're just tagging a cell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The specific types of cells.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they don't do that to humans anymore. No, it's

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<v Speaker 3>very animals. I think it's a very dumb thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, injecting radiation exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, unless, of course, you know it's radiation treatment that's true,

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<v Speaker 3>which is still a really weird thing if you think

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<v Speaker 3>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Yeah. I have a feeling it's gonna be like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things we look back on.

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<v Speaker 2>As like a primitive treatment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hope so.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was this long standing science for decades or

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<v Speaker 1>this idea, scientific idea that we regenerated ourselves by ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five ninety eight percent. Finally, and I think two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five there was a a researcher named doctor Jonas Friesen.

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<v Speaker 1>He's Swedish.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, this whole urban legend is really bringing me down.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to figure out a way to really track

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<v Speaker 1>how often the human body regenerates itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the biggest question has been the brain, specifically

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<v Speaker 3>the cerebral cortex and the heart and the heart muscles.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they want to know all this stuff, but

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<v Speaker 3>those were the two biggest mysteries.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, right, there's still the mysteries, but if you

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<v Speaker 1>went back to prior to two thousand and five, in

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Friesan's research, it was all a mystery. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>figured out. He basically put a very act curate time

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<v Speaker 1>stamp on how often human tissue and human cells regenerate themselves. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the way he did this is very clever. For

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, botanists knew that the trees around the

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<v Speaker 1>world contained a spike of carbon fourteen radiation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thanks to humans and nuclear bombs.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly from nineteen fifty four to nineteen sixty three, tree

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<v Speaker 1>rings for tree growth around the world show a big

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<v Speaker 1>spike in carbon fourteen. Carbon fourteen is naturally occurring too,

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<v Speaker 1>So like just cosmic rays from the sun bombarred Earth's

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere and create radioactive isotopes by knocking electrons from particles

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<v Speaker 1>in Earth's atmosphere, right, those radioactive particles become carbon fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>which is radioactive, and in the atmosphere, carbon fourteen binds

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<v Speaker 1>to oxygen and creates carbon dioxide, which comes to Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Every living thing breathes this stuff in, whether it's a plant,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's a human like we just have see fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>in our bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>We also eat plants exactly contain the sea fourteen besides

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<v Speaker 3>breathing it in.

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<v Speaker 1>And we also eat the animals that eat the plants

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<v Speaker 1>that in just see fourteen. Right, So like we got

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<v Speaker 1>carbon fourteen in our bodies, that's right. But because of

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<v Speaker 1>the spike in carbon fourteen that was introduced to the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere from nuclear testing, there is a spike in humans

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So you can roughly age like a human

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<v Speaker 1>compared to another human if they were born in say

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty nine, and one who was born in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy after there was that spike of carbon fourteen had

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<v Speaker 1>gone away. Right, that's pretty cool. But what doctor Friesen

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<v Speaker 1>did is even cooler. He basically went back to those

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<v Speaker 1>tree trunks, those tree rings that show a spike in

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<v Speaker 1>carbon fourteen, and created a calendar of carbon fourteen decay

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<v Speaker 1>and basically said, okay, on this date, this is how

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<v Speaker 1>much carbon fourteen was on Earth. And if I take

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<v Speaker 1>this cell and compare it, knowing that carbon fourteen decays

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<v Speaker 1>at a constant rate, I can tell you exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>old this cell is exactly. And he used it to

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<v Speaker 1>date cells and tissues and all sorts of cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was He went looking for a marker, and

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<v Speaker 3>he found one due to our atomic testing program, which

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<v Speaker 3>is pretty weird. You just released all that junk in

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<v Speaker 3>the atmosphere and now all these years later it has

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<v Speaker 3>a nice use.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know it does.

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<v Speaker 3>So we now know when we're going to die, right

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<v Speaker 3>sort of. And the reason he was able to use

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<v Speaker 3>this as a marker, Chuckers, is that when you take a.

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<v Speaker 1>Breath of life, your first breath of life, that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you get some you get some of that C

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen into your DNA, and a steady amount stays in there,

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<v Speaker 1>like you don't keep ingesting C fourteen as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I understand, as far as your DNA goes, Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>once it's in your DNA, as your cells divide, that

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<v Speaker 1>original amount becomes divided evenly. So the less C fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>that's in tissue, the older that cell line is. Where

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<v Speaker 1>then the younger the actual cells are. Right, Is that right?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so, which would mean the new cell the

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<v Speaker 3>marker would be a fresh batch of the C fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it have less C fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, yeah, let's say you have because the cell divided, yes, exactly, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you have ten grams of C fourteen, which you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine what that would be. Like. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>your your one cell that's never divided has ten Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when it into two, it's each of those two cells

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<v Speaker 1>is going to have five grand and then two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half, and then one point seventy five and so

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<v Speaker 1>on and so on. So since you know that C

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen is generated at a constant rate, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>it decays at a half life of fifty seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty years, you can look at the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>C fourteen and then also the decay of it as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can date things that are no longer living too,

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<v Speaker 1>to see when the when they ingested that C fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Was Yeah, he's a little like a bingo card. He

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<v Speaker 3>just from the calendar that he made with the trees,

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<v Speaker 3>and he holds it up in the light, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>how he determines it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>But what he did determine though, was which is really cool,

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<v Speaker 3>And this is sort of what we've been building toward,

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<v Speaker 3>is that most of your cells are about seven to

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<v Speaker 3>ten years old, yes, in the body, and there are variances,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course we're going to talk about all that,

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<v Speaker 3>and right after this break, we're going to give you

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<v Speaker 3>a little primer on cells.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know what all this means.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, All right, Josh, were promised to sell primer, and

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<v Speaker 3>we like to deliver on those promises.

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<v Speaker 2>Here stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I guess we started off by saying there are

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<v Speaker 3>thirty seven trillion cells about in the human body. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>give or take, give or take, and water makes up

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<v Speaker 3>about two thirds of.

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<v Speaker 2>The weight of those cells. Oh yeah, that's right. They're tiny.

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<v Speaker 3>You need a microscope to see them, and it's like

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<v Speaker 3>it's the tiniest thing that can still reproduce.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And even though we have many different kinds of cells,

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<v Speaker 3>I think two hundred types, and within those cells there

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<v Speaker 3>are differences, but there are a lot of similarities with

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<v Speaker 3>all cells in their structure. Namely, they have a cell membrane,

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<v Speaker 3>they have a nucleus, have a nucleus, some have more

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<v Speaker 3>than one. And these membranes are what allows nutrients to

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<v Speaker 3>pass in and out, waste to pass out water through

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<v Speaker 3>osmosis travels in reverse, osmosis travels out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And what else, We got your mitochondria as well. That's

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<v Speaker 3>where this is the important, really important thing, which is

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<v Speaker 3>basically what keeps your cells alive.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the power center, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's you know, your cells need food to

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<v Speaker 3>live just like your body does. But you can't pass

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<v Speaker 3>that that hamburger straight into your cell, right. It needs

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<v Speaker 3>to be broken down so your cell can use.

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<v Speaker 1>It exactly into what adenosne triphosphate ATP is like the

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<v Speaker 1>universal cell fuel, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of stuff that the body does make.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you need like twenty three I think you

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<v Speaker 1>need twenty three amino acids, and like nine of them

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<v Speaker 1>your body doesn't really manufacture. So those are the nine

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<v Speaker 1>non essential amino acids, right. And you use amino acids

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<v Speaker 1>to build proteins, and use proteins for everything from making muscles,

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<v Speaker 1>to making red blood cells to you're mounting and immune response.

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<v Speaker 1>Proteins are very very vital in some of them you

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<v Speaker 1>have to build by eating stuff from your environment, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you go out and you find yourself a nice

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<v Speaker 1>pig and you cut off its back leg. You say, sorry, pig,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a pig leg for you. But I need this leg.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna eat this leg. And what I'm really eating

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<v Speaker 1>is the muscle. What I'm really really eating is the glutamine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and in my body's going to take this glutamine. It

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<v Speaker 1>can make it itself. But it doesn't hurt to have

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<v Speaker 1>an extra little bit of glutamine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it does to have that pig leg And you're

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<v Speaker 2>exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm chomping on the pig legs. The pigs must

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<v Speaker 1>and listeners by the way, right, just use your imagination

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<v Speaker 1>for a second. Sure, And yes, I'm sorry too. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're eating the pig like and you're gaining this glutamine

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<v Speaker 1>as a result, and your body's metabolizing the glutamine and

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<v Speaker 1>then reusing it, right, And it can be glutamine, it

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<v Speaker 1>can be anything. If we're ingesting a protein, if we're

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<v Speaker 1>ingesting amino acids, if we're eating any kind of food, sugars, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>our bodies break it down into its constituent parts, and

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<v Speaker 1>then a lot of those constituent parts become part of

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<v Speaker 1>our bodies. So if you think about it in this sense,

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<v Speaker 1>when we eat, when we breathe, we're taking in stuff

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<v Speaker 1>we need from the environment, and that stuff that we

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<v Speaker 1>take in from the environment becomes a part of us

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<v Speaker 1>literally physically on the molecular level, it becomes a part

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<v Speaker 1>of us.

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<v Speaker 2>For better or worse, depending on what it is. Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great I think that's ultimately one of

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<v Speaker 1>the side lessons of this whole thing is we should

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<v Speaker 1>take care of ourvironment because that environment becomes us and

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<v Speaker 1>we either suffer or thrive as a result of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You ever heard the expression you are what you eat?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Know, you literally are what.

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<v Speaker 1>You eat, quite literally. And then also chuck, it goes

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<v Speaker 1>the other way as well. When we excrete waste, when

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<v Speaker 1>we exhale CO two that's taken up by other things

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<v Speaker 1>in the environment, is deposited into the environment and it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes part of the environment itself. So not only do

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<v Speaker 1>we regenerate our cells, regenerate tissue on average seven to

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<v Speaker 1>ten years, become almost wholly a new version of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Were also the boundary between us and the surrounding environment

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<v Speaker 1>is really nonexistent because there's a constant exchange of molecules.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we lose on average, they say nine the average

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<v Speaker 3>adult male loses ninety six million cells per minute, But

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<v Speaker 3>we also replace those at the rate of ninety six

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<v Speaker 3>million per minute, yeah roughly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, so that's the good news.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got all these cells that we're losing. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got all these new cells that are replacing them. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, like you said earlier before the break, that

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<v Speaker 1>these the different types of cells and then hence different

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<v Speaker 1>tissues regenerate at a different rate, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And they all have specialized jobs, and the cells

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<v Speaker 3>are often built in such a way to aid that

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<v Speaker 3>job physically, you know, different to make that job easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is really cool too, right, shows how versatile they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know, like stem cells are very versatile.

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<v Speaker 2>Super.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say your skin, Yeah, your skin regenerates every

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<v Speaker 1>two to four weeks. I think, yeah, exactly, you get

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<v Speaker 1>a new healthy coating of skin every two to four

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<v Speaker 1>weeks because you're epithal cells are particularly good at regenerating themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, And that is well, I guess that would

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<v Speaker 3>fall on the low side, obviously, if we're talking seven

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<v Speaker 3>to ten years. On the super low side, you have

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<v Speaker 3>the cells that line like you're intestine in your gut,

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<v Speaker 3>and those things don't last long at all because it's

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<v Speaker 3>such a harsh environment. You know, you wouldn't expect them

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<v Speaker 3>to last like weeks and months and years.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, how long is it? Five days?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's nothing but the.

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<v Speaker 1>Structure of your guts that are beneath that membrane lining

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<v Speaker 1>that turns over five days. They last about fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's such a like a beautiful, elegant system. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that we have right to keep us alive. Red blood

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<v Speaker 3>cells last about one hundred and twenty days. But then

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<v Speaker 3>you have things like cells in your bone which actually

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<v Speaker 3>regenerate as well, so your bones are over time, over

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<v Speaker 3>a much longer period of time, actually becoming I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I hate to call them new bones, but they kind

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<v Speaker 3>of are, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I mean compare if you took your femur

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<v Speaker 1>and somehow compared it to your femur when you were

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years old, Like, they are two totally different bones.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though they're your bones. They were in the same place,

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<v Speaker 1>growing in the same person with the same DNA. There's

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<v Speaker 1>still different bones because they're made of different cells. Ten

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<v Speaker 1>years or so for the bones, yeah, something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>For the human skeleton, three hundred to five hundred days.

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<v Speaker 1>For the liver, very important organ it is. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the other cool things about the liver is it's

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<v Speaker 1>just gangbusters that regenerating itself. You can apparently cut out

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five percent of a person's liver, and it will

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<v Speaker 1>grow back, and you won't have full function, but it

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<v Speaker 1>will function, and you'll survive with just five percent of

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<v Speaker 1>your liver.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty amazing, actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it will just grow right back, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a hornet's nest.

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<v Speaker 3>Interestingly, the inner lens cells of your eye form and

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<v Speaker 3>your embryo and basically don't change. Yeah, now, is that

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<v Speaker 3>why you have suffered from degeneration and vision?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I would guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the reason?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so the reason so with the corneal lens, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're when you're born, when you're conceived, right, you

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<v Speaker 1>are a cell of coross that divides. Finally, once that

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<v Speaker 1>first division takes place, those corneal cells, they're set in stone.

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<v Speaker 1>Like your corneal cells are as old as you are,

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<v Speaker 1>same age as you. Other cells that make up different

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the eyes they're far newer. But your corneal cells,

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<v Speaker 1>your cerebral cortex cells, they think.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the one I mentioned. The brain and the

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<v Speaker 3>heart muscles, those are the two big ones. Because obviously

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<v Speaker 3>the reason we have diseases like Alzheimer's and dementia are

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<v Speaker 3>because the cerebral cortex has long a thought to not

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<v Speaker 3>regenerate cells at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I think they believe that they do in a

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<v Speaker 3>very small number.

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<v Speaker 1>Or different reasons, like the old factory bulb supposedly does. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in the hippocampus, so we can learn new things. Their

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<v Speaker 1>sense of smell can be refined over time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think isn't that also the reason the

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<v Speaker 3>smell is very much tied to your memory, probably like

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<v Speaker 3>a smell can conjure up a memory more clearly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but the cerebral quartets itself, they don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was her name?

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth Gould of Princeton did a lot of work on

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<v Speaker 3>this because it was just basically set in stone for

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<v Speaker 3>years like, no, it doesn't happen. And she did a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of work over the years trying to prove that

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<v Speaker 3>it did using tracer studies. And I think that where

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<v Speaker 3>they are now as they think it does.

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<v Speaker 1>Some yeah here there, here there.

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<v Speaker 3>But obviously we still have to mention Alzheimer, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>not it doesn't regenerate like the rest of the body,

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<v Speaker 3>not even close.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Alzheimer's also maybe produced I guess by plaques and

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<v Speaker 1>member plaque build up in between your neurons that keep

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<v Speaker 1>them from firing as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's it seems like we're so close to figuring

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<v Speaker 3>out the secret, you know. Yeah, to uh, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know about not dying ever. I'm not talking immortality, but

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:25.960
<v Speaker 3>living much longer lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about that because all of this stuff

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:32.919
<v Speaker 1>kind of leads to that question, if we regenerate so often,

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 1>why do we die? And we'll address that right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So, Chuck, there's this kind of there's this

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<v Speaker 1>idea that if we are regenerating ourselves every seven to

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 1>ten years, we're like the vast majority of our body

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 1>cells regenerate, why do we age and why do we die?

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:15.360
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't it doesn't really make sense in that respect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's what they think is it has to do

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<v Speaker 3>with your DNA actually in the cell. Our cells as

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:24.640
<v Speaker 3>we age, even the new ones that get replaced, which

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 3>really stinks, Yeah, become what they call cinicent, which means

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 3>that they can't divide any longer. We've talked about the

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Hayflick limit before, or replicative centizence is basically how many

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 3>times your cells can divide over its lifetime. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think like a fibroblast, which is the cells of

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<v Speaker 3>the connective tissue in mammals, it's about fifty cell divisions. Yeah,

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.679
<v Speaker 3>and then it hits that point of centicence and it

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 3>starts sending out repair signals to your body that aren't necessary,

0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:58.119
<v Speaker 3>and that causes inflammation.

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 2>And we've talked about inflammation kind of being the.

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<v Speaker 3>Source of most most of the original problems that will

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 3>eventually lead to your death.

0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:08.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know.

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, something becomes inflamed and leads to all kinds of problems.

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 3>There's no repair needed, so it's a false signal. So

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 3>they're trying to come up with drugs. Now, there's one

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 3>called wrap a micene that tries to stop the cells

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 3>from sending out those false signals, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would be wonderful.

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 1>There's another explanation for it as well as that when

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>our cells divide, especially over time as we age, they're

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:44.160
<v Speaker 1>basically making photocopies of themselves. Yeah, and you ultimately, years

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:47.639
<v Speaker 1>down the road, end up making photocopies of photocopies, right,

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and those don't tend to pan out very well. So

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<v Speaker 1>as far as analogies go, that one kind of makes

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>sense that, yes, we have brand new cells, but the

0:27:57.200 --> 0:28:01.959
<v Speaker 1>DNA copies, the DNA blueprints that they're based on it

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<v Speaker 1>have seen better days. Yeah, many years back, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes sense. That's a good way to say it.

0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 2>We also talked a little bit about whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>the heart muscle itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Replenishes itself in the cells, and for a long time

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 3>they had no idea. But now thanks to our buddy

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 3>doctor Frisson, his pretty much. I don't even think we

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<v Speaker 3>said what his who he works with?

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<v Speaker 2>Did we?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 2>He works with the with a K. Karolinska team.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, just like incredible scientists that are making like

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<v Speaker 3>amazing advancements and trying to figure the stuff out. But

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 3>they did, in fact find that the heart does replace

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 3>itself the muscle cells. About one percent of the heart

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<v Speaker 3>muscles were replaced every year at age twenty five, and

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<v Speaker 3>that falls over your lifetime to less than half a

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<v Speaker 3>percent per year by the age seventy five.

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke too soon. That does make sense.

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So what they basically said is about half of

0:28:59.880 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 3>your heart's muscle.

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<v Speaker 2>Cells will be exchanged during a normal lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, which is okay, it is, but as it's slowing

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<v Speaker 1>down over time, I mean the heart's kind of essential.

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they're hoping again to develop drugs that can

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 3>accelerate that process too. Yeah, And I don't know how

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 3>far along they are on that.

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>But that'd be amazing.

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 1>So there's this whole thing that kind of came up

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<v Speaker 1>to me man like that I don't all of this

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>raises this question to me, right, Yeah, if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at like you or me or any living things as

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>an investment, like a molecular investment in the ability to reproduce, right, Okay,

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 1>once you finish your reproductive age, then it does make

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>sense that you would just kind of there would be

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<v Speaker 1>built in this mechanism of aging and then death and

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>then decay, which is what we do. Yeah, we return

0:29:58.040 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>back to the earth. To put it in kind of

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>biblical terms, there's like that whole ashes to ashes, dust

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>to dust thing. Sure, it is very very true. And

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>if you look at us, and you look at all

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>living things as something that exchanges molecules with the external environment,

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>takes them in, puts them out right, and you look

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<v Speaker 1>at us as all connected in that sense, like we're

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<v Speaker 1>just like a plant exactly, or we're just like a rock,

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>like we're all that stuff, and those things are us

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>because we're able to exchange basic ingredients. Then it makes

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<v Speaker 1>total sense that a person would come together, be conceived,

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<v Speaker 1>start dividing as cells, you know, make more of itself,

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and then start to age and then die and decay,

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and then it would give something else a chance to

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>come up from that again. Right, sure, but then it

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>makes you it makes you wonder, what's the point of that?

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean?

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Like, think about it. If we're just the same as plants, Like.

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Why are we all here? Yeah?

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Like, if we're if the whole point is to just

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:07.479
<v Speaker 1>basically recycle materials, because we are just recycling stuff from

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the environment, and we're recycled as we die and decay,

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>what is the point? Is our point just to be

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>part of the carbon cycle, So we're moving carbon in

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>and out of ourselves, in and out of the environment,

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>moving it around. Or I don't understand what the point

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>is of life? I guess is what I'm saying here

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>in nihilis No, I'm not saying I don't believe that

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 1>there isn't a point. I'm just curious what it is,

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 1>because it because if we are the same as any

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>other living thing, and the definition of living is an

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>exchange with an active exchange with the surrounding environment. They're

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>breathing through, eating whatever. Yes. Then and then if you

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of take that a little further and say, well,

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>clearly we're meant to like reproduce or something like that,

0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and then after that we age and die, what's the point?

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Like why not just have one species of living thing? Yeah,

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>and just let that do all of your carbon recycling

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think are you about to quit the show?

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I see what you mean.

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Like, if we look at ourselves as a purely mechanical

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 3>serving a purely mechanical function right on the planet.

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Like we are to the carbon cycle, what say, evaporation

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>is to the rain cycle, Like we're a means of

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 1>moving something along.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that's when you, man, this is getting philosophical.

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 3>I think that's when you start getting into questions of

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 3>the soul.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I mean it kind of makes you wonder like, well,

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 1>why would there be more than one species? It will

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>be much more efficient to just have one, maybe two.

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 1>There's all these different ones, so why.

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 1>The fact that that why is just sitting there and

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 1>flashing neon lights definitely made me wonder basically the opposite.

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>It's made me think in a different direction and then nihilistically.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, we're only here for so long, and so if

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 3>there is the point is to like make the most

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<v Speaker 3>of your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that's a separate that's a separate part

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>of it. Yeah, because no matter what conclusion you come to,

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>whether Nope, we're just a means of recycling carbon and

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that is it. Yeah, kind of like a Gaia theory

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>view of things. Or if you say no, like the

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.959
<v Speaker 1>fact that we're inefficient and redundant as far as that

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>carbon recycling thing goes, suggests that maybe there is a

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>higher purpose to us. Either way, I feel like you

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>come to the conclusion or you should come to the

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>conclusion that the one thing we do know is that

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>we are here right now, and the best thing we

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>can do is make the absolute best of it for

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>ourselves and for other people as well.

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there are probably others out there that think

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<v Speaker 3>the whole point is to make as much cash as

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 3>you can, sure you can buy products.

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Edward Burnez would.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably say that, Yes he would, and he lived that

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<v Speaker 3>way in Man, that's interesting. I think we should I'd

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 3>love to tackle something philosophical and deep.

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Like the soul meaning of life.

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that'd be tough.

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean that'd be cool, though, it would be cool.

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 3>We don't delve into that very much.

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.760
<v Speaker 1>No, we should. I'd like to do that. And consciousness

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 1>that's a really interesting one too, Like it doesn't make

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>any sense.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very trippy way forward for this show. Yeah,

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna start getting weird.

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.240
<v Speaker 1>I took a lot of acid this morning. So, oh

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:30.839
<v Speaker 1>that's great if you want to know more about some

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 1>just weird trippy stuff. How stuff works has a surprising

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 1>amount of it on there. I don't know. Just try

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>typing the word trippy into the search bar. You can

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>also type does your body really replace itself? Every seven years?

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>And it'll bring up this cool article. And I think

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I said search bar at some point in time. So

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<v Speaker 1>how about some listener mail?

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<v Speaker 2>I like how you specified you took a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Acid just a little yeah, a lot fun of it?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, I'm gonna call this multiple We got like

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of emails in one day about people picking

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 3>at our grammar and things. Oh yeah, so I'm just

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 3>decided to read three of them because they're short. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>I generally enjoy the episodes, but you do have one

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:21.399
<v Speaker 3>issue with your grammar and noun verb agreement. You tend

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<v Speaker 3>to say there are many lines of evidence or there's

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 3>lots of experiment showing instead of there are not there

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 3>is when the pronoun refers to a little subject. Check

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 3>yourselves next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys. You typically make the mistake about ten times every show.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't you go recycle some carbon power?

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<v Speaker 2>That's from Kim Keller in Temple Tariffs, Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>I always like to pick apart their emails too, about

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:50.839
<v Speaker 3>because people usually make a mistake or two in their

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 3>own emails.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, guys, this one's from Blair. I love the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to be nitpicky.

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<v Speaker 1>They always say that, don't yeah right.

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Before they nitpick, But I have a grammar direction. It's

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 3>been bugging me for months, and Stonehinge was a major offender.

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 3>At least one of you not naming names frequently used

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 3>the word further when you really mean farther. The latter

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 3>term is used for literal distances. Further is only supposed

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 3>to be used figuratively.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that, Okay, so thanks Blair.

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then the last one, Phil who was an

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 3>English and grammar pronunciation freak. He says, hey, guys, when

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 3>there's an Italian word, you take your time to pronounce

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 3>it properly. The same with Japanese in the Far East

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.760
<v Speaker 3>in general. So why don't you extend that same courtesy

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 3>to English.

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<v Speaker 1>Words because we're masters of the language.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean words actually in the UK vernacular, not

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<v Speaker 3>American English. Salisbury, No, it's Salisbury, the Marlborough Downs, Nope,

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<v Speaker 3>marl bro Downs.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're using the American vernacular because we're in America

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<v Speaker 1>and recording as American.

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<v Speaker 2>That's from Phil.

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<v Speaker 1>I had I addressed all those I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so. I feel good about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's good and very big of you two

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>have read those as listener mail. Why not nice job.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, Yeah, we just we don't profess to talk gooder

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 3>than other people. We just do our little thing here

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 3>in the studio, send it out into the world nice

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.280
<v Speaker 3>for people to pick apart.

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<v Speaker 1>What we're doing is we're creating grammatical tableaus like that

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