WEBVTT - Van-ity Fair 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.280 Hell I Suck At Dating with the Unglers and Dared 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:11.120 Haven and I heard radio podcast What is Up? Everyone? 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.200 Welcome to the very special Labor Day weekend edition of 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.160 Help I Suck At Dating. We thank you so much 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.320 for joining us. We've got the whole squad with us today. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.680 Jared's with us. We have Mark somewhere over there. We've 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.000 got Becky, you've met all of these people last week. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:34.680 We've got Easton somewhere in the world, probably not listening, 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.120 but he's at least logged into the zoom call Jared. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.279 What's going on, man, how's your Labor Day weekend? They 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.600 was good. Easton is definitely listening. He just put his 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.720 face up. My Labor Day weekend was good. I flew 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.800 back from the East Coast, so we are back in 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:52.080 Los Angeles now. I got a test for COVID today, 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.720 so we'll wait for the results on that. But dude, 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:56.680 it was good. It was just pretty low key, like 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.440 I said, traveling and uh, hanging out the house. Now. 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.600 Ashley and I have a movie date night plan for tonight. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:06.360 We're gonna watch Scream four because we're gonna, you know, September. 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.120 It's getting towards Halloween. Um, and that's about it. How 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.200 is your labor day weekend? What did I do this? Say? 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.520 I've been doing a lot of band renovations, so I 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:21.520 spent most of the weekend cutting wood, painting, painting quite Hansy, 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:26.039 she's good, Yeah, she was. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:27.679 either of us. I don't think we would either call 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.600 each other good at dude, painting is hard. It's like 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:32.800 in theory, you're just like, oh, you're just rubbing a 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.040 brush up and down some wood. It's gonna be fine. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:36.640 But then like you paint and it dries and you 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.840 look at it and you're like, wow, that really sucked. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.520 Did you find that a good bonding experience between the 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.000 two of you or was did it like tear your 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.280 relationship apart? Do you guys start arguing? Or was it 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.320 like nice moment? No, it was neither the things. I mean, 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.680 it's funny because I said, well, what's funny is I 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.320 was like, this is gonna be a great bonding moment 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.120 for us, just jokingly, and Killen goes, what do you mean, 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.280 We're like, we're already bonded. How did we How do 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.080 we need to keep having bonding moments? And it was 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.240 just it was a very funny moment that I guess 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.000 maybe isn't as funny now that I'm retelling the story. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.440 But uh, now there was some like there was some 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:12.320 hurt feelings, not like obviously seriously hurt ornything like that, 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.320 well just because it's like, you know, she would paint something, 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.079 and she does. She did a fantastic job, and I 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.200 mean eternally grateful that she was there helping me paint. 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:21.840 But then I would look at it and be like, no, 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.079 like and it was just like my stupid like perfectionism 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.639 where I'm like, which is I've never a perfectionist obviously, 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.320 but like you know, when you are working on your 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.040 own things and you want them to be done to 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.560 the best of the ability that you're capable of, and 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.480 I saw like one little stroke out of place, and 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:36.920 I was like, no, no, no no, no, we gotta go 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.920 and do another layer of paint over this to make 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.200 sure everything is even um. But it was all obviously 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:43.840 a good hearted and fun and everything. But yeah, we 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:45.960 got most of the painting done. We got I got 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.079 a couple of new lights installed. I got a bunch 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.079 of new van stuff installed. So we got a bunch 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:51.760 of work done, which is really nice. I've been like 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.359 so obviously, as you guys know, I like, I did 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.240 the van last year with my dad, and then like 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.200 a month ago I got the whole thing and I 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:00.639 was like, you know what, this van sucks, like I 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.720 don't like anything about it. So that's why I took 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.120 it all apart, and that's why I'm doing all of 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:09.240 this now. And even in its incomplete state, it is 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.840 like leaps and bounds better than it used to be. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.480 So it's pretty nice to be able to like, you know, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.320 have a part and had obviously have because because when 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:17.640 I did the van the first time, I didn't have 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.239 Kaylin with me, and so it's now it's nice to 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:21.880 be able to like stay in the van with Kaylin 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.160 and both of us be like, oh, like we both 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.040 had a hand in creating this little home that we 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:28.800 get to travel around and you know, so that's like 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.880 it's that's definitely the great body. Well that's what I 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.200 was gonna ask you. Are you so when you redid 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.720 the van this past weekend, did you redecorate it more 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.120 just like whatever you wanted? Or now is Kylin having 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.720 a say like, oh, I think this would look better. Like, 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.440 for example, when you decorate an apartment, you know you 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.440 do it for both. I'm like, okay, Ashley, well, you 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.680 know we have to compromise because a guy and a 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.760 girl living here and we both have different likes. Are 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.080 you doing the same thing with the van or is 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.240 it just kind of your style? No, it's happy. You're 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.840 absolutely right, and it's it's a lot of like when 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.400 we're painting, I'd be like, do you think I should 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.800 paint this? And like I'll have I'll have the answer 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:04.480 already in my head, but I am curious to hear 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.000 like what she would say, and like how she would 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.200 weigh in on the situation, And usually I would say 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.520 almost ncent time we agree on things. So it's like, 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.280 should be paint this? No, no no, no, we shouldn't paint that, 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.640 should paint that? Yeah, we should definitely paint that. Uh. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.119 And then also like, the only reason there's a toilet 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.480 in there now because when I first at the van, 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.320 there was no toilet, but now there's a toilet in there. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.719 And the reason I have a toilet is just specifically 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.760 for Kalin, Like, as a guy, you can just step 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.960 outside into the woods and take a you know, take 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:28.880 a piss wherever you want to take a piss, but 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.159 as a girl, it's a little bit more. There's a 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.159 little more steps involved, and so it's nice that she 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.880 kind of has that ability, you know, like especially like 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.920 in urban areas to Like, we haven't really done much 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:40.800 of urban camping in the van, her and I, but 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:42.640 there were a couple of times where I was like 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.560 sleeping in it in l A and I like really 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.280 had to use the bathroom at like three in the morning. 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.120 But like I'm parked on some streets and it's like, 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.280 what am I supposed to do? I feel like p 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.080 and a a water jug or something. But then it's like, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.160 you know, you're stumbling through the night. You're aiming. Sometimes 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:58.920 you miss. There's like a little bit of a stench 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:03.120 that sticks around. It's nice to have, uh that what 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.400 happens if you guys have to defecate. Uh. There's a 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.640 very strict rule of no number two is in the van, 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.760 and we've actually we've upheld the note number two real 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.520 pretty good. I mean, you know, it's like two number 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.159 two is are way more predictable. You can just like 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:21.200 take a trip down to a gas station. I mean 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.479 sometimes they're unpredictable, and those are the ones that you 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:29.200 need something asap. Yeah, listen, under extreme circumstances, of course 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.240 we'll do. Number two is number three in the van, 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.279 but we haven't gotten there yet, and it's actually been 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.800 a pretty good system. Like even to this day, there's 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:37.880 probably only been like five number ones. Like we try 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.599 not to do it that frequently just because it's you know, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.200 it's it's kind of weird that there's a toilet literally 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:47.039 touching the bed that you sleep in every single night. Um, 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.560 but yeah, we we found a way to make it work, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.080 and it's been good. It's been a good labor day. 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.480 It's like, looking at the van now, it looks much 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.799 better than it before. It's still, like I said, isn't complete, 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.600 but we're getting closer and closer to haven't finished, and 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.279 Labor Day was was helpful for that because otherwise, you know, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.200 Caitlin is able to fly out to Colorado, which is 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.160 where we are now, and we were able to get 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.920 some work done. But anyways, enough about me, enough about 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.080 the van, enough about Kylin, enough about all that crap. Well, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.080 definitely not. We're not done talking about vans. I'll tell 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.200 you that much well, you're absolutely right and and and 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.320 you're right because for the listeners, we have a very 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:25.560 special episode today. Uh So, a couple weeks ago, maybe 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.640 like a month or two ago, I met a girl 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.320 in Sequoia and Caitlin and I were on a trip 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.960 up in Sequoia. We met a couple of fellow van 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:37.360 lifers and she was kind enough to agree to come 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.960 on the podcast and tell us all about her experience 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:42.640 with van life. She's been doing it for I think 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.800 like over a year now. Um, so we're gonna have 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.840 her come on and talk to us about her experience 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.600 with the van life. I want to get to know 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.560 more about like her dating lifestyle in the van, because 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.680 ninety six percent of my lifetime in my van has 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.160 been with a girlfriend who's been very understanding, and I've 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.680 never really been single in it. So, um, that's coming up. 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.040 What else are we doing today, Jared? Besides that, Well, 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.800 we're talking about uh well, number one, we said last 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.960 week that we're gonna bring new dating terms to every podcast, 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:13.960 So I found another one that I don't think we've 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.560 talked about yet on this podcast. You know, like dating slangs, 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.960 Like we talked about ghosting last week. I've already forgotten 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.000 the term. Oh, Michelle's there. Michelle's somehow made it into 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:29.360 the zoom called before we were able to take our break. Michelle, 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.000 we're so stuck to have you on, but we can't 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:32.200 talk to you right now. We have to take a 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.560 commercial break, and then we're gonna jump right back in 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:35.960 and well, I guess we'll just get right to it 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.160 and then, Jared, hopefully you can save your dating terms 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.120 for later, or better yet, maybe we can answer and 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.080 talk about them with Michelle. Sweet. All right, we're gonna 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.880 take a quick break. You guys as listeners, stay tuned, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:08:01.440 and we're gonna get right to Michelle. All right, everybody, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.720 welcome back to help I suck at dating. And as promised, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:09.440 we have a van lifer here. Her name is Michelle, 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.440 and she has been living in a van for I think, 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.840 like their how long over a year obviously, right, Michelle? Yeah, 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:21.880 almost two years? Actually almost two years, two years in November. Awesome, Okay, cool. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:23.600 So for the listeners, I gave him like a quick 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.320 little background about you and all that stuff. And I've 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:28.840 heard it all from you too, from when we weren't 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:30.600 sequoied together. But I want you to be able to 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.480 at least share with listeners, like how you got into 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.480 it while you're doing it, what you love about it? Uh, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.959 just kind of like the whole genesis of the situation. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.040 Cool Actually, I, Um, I got into it kind of 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.160 through music festivals. I I saw some people doing it 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.520 when I was working at music festivals, probably like six 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.640 years ago. Um, and then fast forward like three years 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:56.640 after that, I was like, I'm going to build my 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:01.920 own band. So that was, you know, like three years 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.040 ago now. Um. I did it mostly because I wanted 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.000 to travel and do photography. So that was like one 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.600 of the main goals just learn more, travel around and 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:16.920 see see the states. How old you, Michelle? I'm twenty nine, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.560 so you were when you right around there when you 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.280 moved into the van? Yeah yeah yeah. And I bought 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.160 it about like six months before I left, so and 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.120 built it out. It took about three months. And so 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:29.640 what did you tell your friends and family when you 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.120 were like, Hey, listen, this is what I'm gonna do. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:35.160 I'm going to move into a van and live there. Um. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.400 It's funny because I have like an accounting and like 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:44.440 finance a degree, so it was like very like out 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.280 of the blue kind of. But I've always been a traveler, 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:51.720 so they weren't too surprised. Um, they weren't super supportive, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.520 but they now love it and are supportive, and I 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.319 think it's awesome, So that's good. I've got a question 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.600 for you. So when I first did it, all of 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.760 my friends and family were very supportive of it. They 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:04.960 were like obsessed with the idea. They're like, awesome, where 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.280 we love it. But there was like a like a 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.920 public stick stigma I guess attached to it, where people 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.640 that I've never met or have never known before we're 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.080 like talking down on the idea of it all. Have 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.160 you experienced that at all? Because so for the listeners, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:23.920 Paula Michelle on Instagram, it's Michelle dot Lawrence right, yeah, yep, 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.960 so follow her on Instagram. She has a wonderful aesthetic 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.160 and isn't a very talented photographer and you're not gonna 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.720 regret that. But have you experienced any like public backlash 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.920 or um, anything like that for the choices that you've 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.440 made for your lifestyle. I feel like I get a 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:45.320 little bit discriminated against because my van looks old, and 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.480 so if I'm in a parking lot, or doing something 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:52.160 totally normal. People will like just because it's a van 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.880 call me out on things that like, oh, a car 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.440 has been here for you know, a part here for 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.800 four hours, but they'll notice my van for I don't 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.440 know if you get that you're in you're in a sprinter, right, yeah, 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.840 I mean it's mine is like clearly a conversion, and 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.079 yours is a little bit more incognito. I think. Yeah. 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.080 But if I'm in a really nice neighborhood and parked 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.640 on the side of the street, I get like some 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:16.760 like people will be like, oh, there's a sketchy van, 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.480 and like sometimes called the cops or you know, come 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.080 out and knock and be like, oh, I have children, 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.920 so I was just checking to make sure that you 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.920 were normal. I guess I don't know which is like 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.600 you can it's like annoying, but you can kind of 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.439 understand where they're coming from too. I feel like, right, yeah, no, fully, yeah, 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.600 I I welcome it. Usually if I'm parked outside someone's house. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.480 I was in Santa Cruz for a while, and um, 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.440 I would like park and go surf and walk around 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.520 this place called the Point. It's just on the ocean, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.040 and I would always try to make sure the neighbors 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:47.760 knew that I was, that it was me and it 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.800 was my van, and but it's pretty yeah, that's how 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.840 I'm your neighbor now, so I'm obviously the one who's 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.320 I don't know if I could do it, because, like 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.160 I remember watching This Is Gonna Be I saw Into 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.280 the Wild, uh, and love the movie, love the story 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.040 of Christma Candles, ended up reading the book, and I 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.560 was thinking to myself, I would love to just let 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.640 go of everything caught up by credit cards, you know, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.040 and just live in the woods somewhere, you know. And 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:18.840 I'm sure that it was a little bit of an 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:20.920 inspiration for you both, even though you guys have very 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.840 nice vans and it's honestly like a studio apartment at 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.959 this point. But I guess like after a week I 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:28.560 wouldn't be able to do it, just because I would 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.160 miss the normalcy. I would be honestly, would be too scared. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:36.200 That's what it would really come down to. Be scared. Yeah, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.720 I mean honestly, I would. I would be scared. Would 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.840 you be afraid of I would be afraid of someone 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.840 breaking into the van. I would be afraid of like 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:47.240 being um like like you guys said, not a nuisance 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.760 to people, but like people looking at me weirdly, Like 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.560 you guys talked about even parking on the side of 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.720 the street and like having to find a place to 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.720 park where you're not going to have the cops called 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.680 on you. That would make me new. I feel like 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.880 you need to reiterate that, like most of the time 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.720 people are too worried about their own lives to focus 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.120 on what's going on around them. So I would say 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.200 like nine percent at this time, no one notices me, 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.280 Like even though I'm a girl in a van, people 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.280 are just walking down the street. They don't even look 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.200 at it. Um, it's just like a few times in 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.440 the two years, it's probably been like a handful of 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:25.040 times that something's happened where someone will be like, oh, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.880 you're in the wrong space, or like I kind of 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.480 will park in like a uh, like the gym I 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.360 shower at Planet Fitness, so I'll park in the parking 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.000 lot and some of them are you can park overnight 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.520 and some you can't, and so like it'll be a 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.400 situations like that, But most of the time, nobody really 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:45.400 notices you at all. And I think that that I've 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.200 only had like less than I've only been doing it 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:49.880 less than you, especially with my injury when I was 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.920 living with Kalen full time, even less because of that. 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.120 But there was a few circumstances where a few instances 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.480 where just because it was a van in a parking lot, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.480 people get like slightly more suspic is shis of it. 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.439 And so I think I was in a parking lot 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.319 once for even like forty five minutes and a cop 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.640 came banging on the door and he like made me 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.960 get out and he was like looking around. It's like, well, 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:11.719 he's like, yeah, we got some complaints about you being 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.440 parked here. I was like, I'm literally just sitting here 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:19.400 watching Netflix. Yeah, no loitering. Yeah. Do you guys think 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.680 this is will be the rest of your life or 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.080 do you see yourself, you know, one day getting out 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.160 of the van and going back to you know, an 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.960 apartment house, go and so forth. People ask me this 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:35.280 a lot, and like recently I've been having people just 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:36.600 be like, oh, well, how long are you going to 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.720 do it? Because I initially was telling people I was 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.280 just going on a three month road trip and then 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.160 but like in the back of my head, I knew 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.200 that if I liked it, I would continue to do it. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.880 And so like, I'm almost thirty, we'll be thirty in June, 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.880 and I'm like, I have no, Like I don't want 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.920 to live in a house. I can't imagine maybe eventually, 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.840 but like maybe like a couple of years down the road. Yeah, 0:14:59.880 --> 0:15:03.520 I have no I have no desire to rent at all. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:08.080 This is like an extremely easy, fun way to live. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:13.080 So well, Michelle, you have a name for your van, right, Yeah, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.800 it's Carl Carl, So you couldn't imagine giving Carl up 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.280 anytime soon. And people ask me, like, when Carl dies, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:20.520 what are you gonna do? I'm like, Carl is not 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.120 gonna die, He's a car. Yeah, what a horrible way 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.160 to thing. I'm very much the same. I'm in the 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.120 same boat too, where I don't see myself really renting 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.920 a place again. Um, but I guess I've kind of 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.360 been intrigued and Kitlin and I haven't toying around with 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.880 the idea of like buying a place that we would 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:43.360 like split time between that and the van. Um. But yeah, 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.520 I agree, it's like once you kind of experience like 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.440 not having to pay rent and the ability to kind 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.440 of move around freely as you want to. It's like 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.040 if you were to go back to renting an apartment 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.200 somewhere on the East Coast or West Coast or river, 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.040 it is you're kind of like stuck in that spot, 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.400 especially like renting, because you're you're you're paying so much 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.280 money to essentially lease out of space for a short 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.800 amount of time, and if you're not there while you're renting, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.720 you feel like you're like paying for something that you're 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.920 not getting anything from. So it's like, why would you 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.200 not want to be at your rental property? You know. 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.920 So I'm kind in the same boat too when I 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.320 first did it, And again I feel we were talking 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.440 to you about this because I have kind of gotten 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.760 the cheap skateway of doing the whole van life thing 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.000 where I bought the van, moved into the van. I 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:26.640 did it for like four months, and then I got 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.240 a girlfriend and I basically moved into my girlfriend's apartment 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.920 and then I would be quarantine, right Yeah, and well, 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.440 and I broke my leg, and so it's because of 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.200 that as well. But I say, of doing it, I 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.320 don't get it. Yeah, you're selling short. Well, I guess 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:45.040 I haven't really fully uh like I've committed to the 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.400 lifestyle of van life thing, right, but I still have 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.120 the luxuries of having like an anchor point back in 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.320 Santa Monica Kalin's apartment or both worlds. Isn't that what 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.960 you like? Michelle? Is that something you'd want one day 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.560 to be able to have van life? But also the 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:02.040 security of so I get this a lot where so 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.160 I'll be in a house right and people will be like, oh, 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:05.960 you're in a house. It's like, because I live in 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:07.800 a van, I'm not allowed to be in a house anymore. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.800 Like I can still have friends that have houses and 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.880 I can use their bathroom a like when I'm at 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.320 their house, you know what I mean. So I feel 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.320 like a lot of people because you're in a van, 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.359 Like if you're dating someone that's in a house, you 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.280 would go, like, even if you were in a house, 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.560 you would go over to the house. So it's essentially 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.040 the same thing. It just becomes this this thing where 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.520 you kind of live outside their house and then things 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:40.080 because and where you can, Yeah, things get really intense 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.159 very fast if you start dating someone, especially when they 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.240 live in a house, and even if they live in 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.480 a van. Too, and you're dating someone that lives in 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.960 a van, You're you're just like traveling together and parking 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.840 next to each other, so it gets really intense for 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.080 so is that like? And I'm kind of being facetious, 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:57.720 but at the same time, I do want to know this, 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.560 is that kind of like the Facebook official of dating 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.280 someone in van lice is if you guys like, Okay, 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.800 now we're gonna start parking next to each other, that's 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.080 a big deal. I guess I don't know. It depends 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:10.919 on the person. I think, why do you think that is? 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.280 Why do you think it intensifies so quickly? Because I 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.240 was trying to think about it while you were explaining 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.080 that whole situation, and I agree with you. It does 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.920 seemed to happen that way. And I guess the only 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.200 way that I could really explain it would be that 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.199 you have all this time, and like the reason that you, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.119 from my understanding, moved into the van was to enable 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.880 your ability for exploration and photography and explore these tree 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.800 artists that you have and a lot of people that 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.919 live in a van share those same ideas and the 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.719 same mentality, So it's like, why wouldn't you share that 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.280 with someone else that you might also be like romantically 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.040 interested in, and so I guess, uh, that's that's my 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.520 I guess explanation as to why it intensifies. Right, It's 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:56.000