1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Well, whose glasses are these? I don't like these, Chuck Schumer. Sean, No, 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Sean wouldn't wear these. These are definitely Chuck Schumer. Old 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Lady Specials here. Hey, it's Mark Simone here for Sean Hannity. 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: Normally I'm on our big flagship station here in New 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: York w R. I'm on. You know, I'm on ten 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: to noon. Linda. You know who's now on before me? Who? 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: Oh you know Curtis Sliwa. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I did hear about that. 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Indeed, are buddy Curtis now working at war every morning, 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: and that's great. Linda's here in the studio, I. 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: Am, And how could I miss you? I have to 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: be here when you're here. 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: There you go. And we got lots to get to today. 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: We'll get to Pam Bondy. We'll get to Tiger Woods, 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: we'll get to Bruce Springsteen, we'll get to the ballroom, 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: we'll get to a ran and a whole lot more. 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: And well, first the big news. Pam Bondy is out. 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: She's out. From what I hear, she's already back in Florida. 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: She left quickly. And you know, yesterday the President went 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court to sit in on the hearing, 21 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: and Pam Bondi went with them, so they were riding 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: there in the car together. They rode back to the 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: White House in the car together in the beast. And 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: you know eve been in that beast. It's very tight 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: inside there. 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: Have you been in the Beast? 27 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: Yeah? Not with the president, but you know it's bombproof 28 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: and bulletproof. The way they do that, the doors, the walls, 29 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: everything is like a foot thick, so inside there's like 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: two feet of room missing in there. So when he 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: was with Pam Bondi, you're like right on top of 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: each other. Must have been a little uncomfortable. He must 33 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: have known then he was going to get rid of her. 34 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: You think he said anything then? I don't think so. 35 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Really you think he said Donald Trump? Absolutely, he's 36 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: not holding that in. He'd be like, listen, Pam, you're wonderful, 37 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: but our time has come to you. 38 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: You think he told her yesterday? 39 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I think he said to you, listen, the hammer's 40 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: coming tomorrow. Wear a good suit, do your hair and makeup. 41 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Get ready. They're going to come at you. 42 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: Interesting thought. You don't think he'd try to soften it up, like, hey, 43 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: you must really miss Florida. 44 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: Right, I don't think that soft is in his vocabulary. 45 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: Uh well, I guess sometimes sometimes I don't know. So 46 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: she's back in Florida, and as she was very good. 47 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: She was a great Attorney General of Florida, really really good. 48 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: I think she just got in, uh, went up one 49 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: step too high. That can happen. It happens in the 50 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: radio business. You might be a local host in whatever 51 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: city and you're number one, you're the best radio host 52 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: in your city. But what, Linda, you'll attest to this. 53 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: Once in a while, you get called, we're gonna let 54 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: you fill in for Sean Hannity. Now you're on a 55 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 1: network at seven hundred stations, you're talking to twenty million people, 56 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: and the guy chokes. You've seen that happen, right. 57 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: I had somebody fill in they shall remain nameless. And 58 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: they came in and they had papers and papers and 59 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: notes and notes and more papers and more notes, and 60 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to tell you right now, you're 61 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: not reading from those papers and you're not using those notes, 62 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: and if you use them, I will set them on fire. Yeah, 63 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: they thought I was kidding. I said those notes on 64 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: fire during the break. 65 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you're a local host, you come here 66 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: and you get very intimidated. The perfect person have there 67 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: is Linda yelling at. 68 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: You, very comforting. 69 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: That's exactly what you need. Terrified out of your mind 70 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: and you got this. Just let me get through this 71 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: screaming it so now, but I've seen it happen a 72 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: million times. You know the guy on I'm trying not 73 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: to mention a city because that might indicate a host, 74 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: but you know he's from that city in the Midwest. 75 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: He hosts the local Afternoon. She's great. Now he's filling 76 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: in for Hannity. There's millions of I mean there's literally 77 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: literally like eighteen nineteen million people listening. And he's used 78 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: to his little studio. Look at that control room. There's 79 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: like four thousand computers in there. There's a it's intimidating, 80 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: so he freezes up or he's not as good. He 81 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: makes mistakes, takes a certain person to fill in here, 82 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: like me, somebody who couldn't care less. 83 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: I was like, you're the perfect person. 84 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: Hit does off in the middle of it. So what 85 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: happens now, Well, Pam Bondi's back in Florida. The Deputy 86 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: Attorney General Todd Blanche is great. Trump loves him, trusts him. 87 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: He's really good with you. Give me a funny look. 88 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: You don't agree. 89 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: I do not like Todd Blanche. 90 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: There you go. I rest my case. He must be good. 91 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, nope, I like to one he's pretty good. Well. 92 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: My point though, is he wants lee Zelden. That's the word. 93 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: But he can't absolutely confirm that. I've already talked it 94 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: over with Leezeldon on Monday, but he wants Leezelden. Now, 95 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: the Democrats will do everything to screw this up in Congress. 96 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: He's already been confirmed as EPA director, but it's a 97 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: different committee to be Attorney General that they want to reconfirm. 98 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: They'll delay forever. Now. The only good news is Trump 99 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: loves Todd Blanche, so if this confirmation takes eight months, 100 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: he'll have Todd blanch treatment. So he's fine either way. 101 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: Most likely it'll be Lee Zelden. His rumors everywhere, what 102 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: Mike Lee. I'm sure every time the president phone rings, 103 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: it says Janin Perro on the caller, H, what the 104 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: hell's that noise? 105 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: You have noise? Oh? You know what it is. It's 106 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: a little known fact for the audience. Sean Hannity loves ice. So, 107 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: oh it's the ice many moons ago. We bought an 108 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: ice maker and you guys can't hear it over the air, 109 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: but when you're in studio, it is loud and it 110 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: comes out of nowhere. 111 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking about that. That's a radio. So it's 112 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: like I'm at Hugh Hefner's house kicking. You're fine, so anyway, oh, yeah, 113 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about Jane Piro. Janeane Piro. I would imagine 114 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of you know what happens, a lot 115 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: of senators, a lot of people that know Trump call 116 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: and try to push somebody of their own in there. 117 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: So you got to have a few days of that. 118 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: But again, he loves Todd Blanche, so he'll be fine 119 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: for Todd Blanche for a while. Again, Bondi was great. 120 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: The problem is when you get into the highest level 121 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: of the biggest you're in the national government, everything's different. 122 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: The press is different. You know, in Florida you had 123 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: a couple of state House reporters that you got to know, 124 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: but now you got the most vicious, evil, monstrous press 125 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: corps in the world. After you and the Epstein files. Well, 126 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: she did kind of botch it up there, definitely, as 127 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: far as the public relations, the optics, you know, you 128 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: got to know how to handle that. And again, coming 129 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: from the sleepy state of Florida, she might not have 130 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: been ready for that. And I mean I remember all 131 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: the Epstein things she did. She she said, I have 132 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: the client list, which she shouldn't have said. There's no 133 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: such thing. Epstein never had a sex business. There's no 134 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: client list. I mean, there were young girls and god 135 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: knows what going on, but there weren't clients for that. 136 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: The only client list he was his wealth management business, 137 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: and that's five names on it. So it was she 138 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: said she brought in the reporters to show them binders. 139 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: Here's here's the Epstein files, millions of binders. I don't 140 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: think it was really in those binders. But then nothing 141 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: happened for a long time. So the Trump that's very 142 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: big on that. You can't screw up the public relations 143 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: or the optics. I think that was the problem with 144 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: Christy Gnome. What happened in Minneapolis was ugly with the 145 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, the shooting and all that, but she shouldn't 146 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: have shot her mouth off. She went there huffing and 147 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: puffing and shooting her mouth off too fast and just 148 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: made the whole thing, the optics worse than they had 149 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: to be. So in botching up the Epstein files, it 150 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: really didn't need to get botched up. It's not that bad. 151 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: You know I'm in the Epstein files. Did you know that? 152 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: Should I be surprised or should I pretend to be? 153 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: Nothing bad? Nothing bad? 154 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: What are you in there for? 155 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: Well, if you go to the Epstein Files online, it'll 156 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: take you to the government site. There's a search bar. 157 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: You can type in names. There's guys I know that 158 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: were involved with I'm typing in their names. Everything's coming up. 159 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: Just for the help that I typed in my name. 160 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: I came up six times, nothing bad. A couple of times. 161 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: He was going to an event where I was the MC. 162 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: My name was on the invitation. That's how it showed up. 163 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: Another one, our buddy, Jackie Martling, apparently was friends with him, 164 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: emailing back and forth and was telling him something about 165 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: my show that came up. Yeah, you'd be surprised. What 166 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: comes up in there? They had all of his American 167 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: Express bills in there, so millions of restaurants come up. 168 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: If you search millions of stories. 169 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: But you remember the ladies of the view, how they said, 170 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: if you're in these files, that's it. You're done, you know, 171 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: forget about it. You're in here. And then who appears 172 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: in there but not other than Woopi Goldberg and Joy Bayhart. 173 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: And then suddenly that wasn't the case. We were not 174 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: in there for the same reasons. 175 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and Epstein had all these friends. They thought 176 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: there were political experts. So they're all listening to talk radio, 177 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: watching all the cable news shows, and they're emailing them 178 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: all the time. By Sean Hannity said this last night, 179 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: and so and so said this, and so that comes 180 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: up in the files. And then there's names you wouldn't like. 181 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: Woody Allen is all through there. But now he was 182 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: always there with his wife. He can't raise money in 183 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: Hollywood anymore. They will not finance his films, so he 184 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: goes to these private billionaires to get funding. He was 185 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: all over Epstein to get his films fun. And then 186 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: I see Dick Cabot in there. He was trying to 187 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: put together a PBS special PBS. You got to get 188 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: somebody to finance it. He was trying to get Epstein 189 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: to finance. So there's a lot of innocent stuff in there. 190 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: And you know I didn't google your name in that searcher. 191 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: Have at it. 192 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet for it. You could be in there. 193 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: So we'll see. The President went to the Supreme Court yesterday. 194 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: They said it was too it was so wrong of 195 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: him to be there. He was there to intimidate them, 196 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: to stare them down. Well, first of all, he's actually 197 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: named in the lawsuit. He's the guy that executive order 198 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: get rid of the birthright stuff. States sued him. It's 199 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: the States versus him. He lost, it's been appealed, it's 200 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: gone to the Supreme Court. He's what do you call that, 201 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: the defendant or the whatever he's named in the lawsuit. 202 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: And if you check the history of the Supreme Court, 203 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: they always urge the parties named to attend the hearing. 204 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: So he had every right to be there, stay the 205 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: whole day. I knew he wouldn't. Could you ever go? 206 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: You ever go to a Supreme Court hearing? I'm sure 207 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: after about twenty minutes he wanted to kill himself. And 208 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: what the heck did I get myself into here? So 209 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: we'll get to that with Greg, Jared'll be with us later, 210 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: a great legal expert. The President made a big primetime 211 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: address later. You know what, we'll play a bit of 212 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: that for you, because we now realize the reason you 213 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: did a primetime television address was so the whole nation 214 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: would hear you, and we now realize, in fact, that 215 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: was probably the last prime time address you'll ever see. 216 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: We now realize nobody in the population watches network television anymore. 217 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: Nobody watches ABC, CBS, NBC anymore. They're all streaming and 218 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: beaming and whatever the heck they're doing. 219 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: But there were streaming and beaming, there were people watching, 220 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: Like if you ever watched Right Side Broadcasting Network online, 221 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: you can watch that on YouTube. There was a lot 222 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: of people streaming it on X But I do think 223 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: it's worth playing because a lot of people don't watch 224 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: those main channels. 225 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the good old days, if it was you know, 226 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: Jimmy ABC. 227 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: NBCCBS, Yeah, yeah, Jimmy Carter addresses the nation Iran hostage 228 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: crisis to be literally ninety million people. 229 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: You'd be lucky if you hit ten million. Now, So 230 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: we'll go over that. We'll go over the reaction to 231 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: I love Chuck Schumer. Boy, he put his finger on it. 232 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: He said, it's rambling in coherence. Seemed fine to me. 233 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: I understood every word. And then Schumer said, the biggest 234 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: foreign policy blunder ever in history. You know, if you 235 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: took out the most evil terrorist leader in the world, 236 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: how could you ever call that a blunder. You could 237 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: argue it wasn't the right moment, it wasn't the right 238 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: exact way, but the biggest blunder ever. Can imagine if 239 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: Schumer was around for World War Two and we got 240 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: rid of Hitler, biggest foreign policy blunder ever. Anyway, we'll 241 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: take some calls to one eight hundred nine tour to one. 242 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: Sean is the number one eight hundred nine four to 243 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: one Sean. Mark Simone here for Jean. He follow me 244 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Mark Simone NYC on Instagram. I want I 245 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: like Instagram. No TikTok. I hate it, Nah, it's why 246 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: it's too stupid. Instagram TikTok for adults. 247 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: That's actually pretty funny. 248 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: Actually, And make sure you check out Hannity dot com. 249 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: Always a lot of good stories there. Back in a 250 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: moment on the Sean Hannity Show, heye speaking of the 251 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: real truth about DC. There now John Tilman, leading political 252 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: strategist author. He's the CEO of the American Culture Project, 253 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: founder and CEO of the Hall of Giants. Now he's 254 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: got this new book, The Political Vice, How the Radical 255 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: Left Controls America and the Path to Regaining Our Liberty. 256 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: Interesting book, lots to talk about. John Tilman, how are you. 257 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. 258 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is quite a book. This is somebody needed 259 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: to explain all this because, and I see this all 260 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: the time. A young guy runs for Congress, he gets elected, 261 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: he's going to go to Washington, he's going to change 262 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: the world, and then he gets into that swamp and 263 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: that's where the political vice comes in. Explain what the 264 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: political vice is. 265 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: The whole point is that politicians you're describing, whether they're 266 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 3: that rookie that you're talking about we all think is 267 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 3: idealized and he's going to be great, or the veteran 268 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 3: like Mitch mcconnald's been there forever. They're all operating inside 269 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: a pressurized system. They're in the middle of a three 270 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: sided advice and they're getting pressure from the media. They're 271 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: getting pressure from the public or the American people, and 272 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 3: they're getting pressure from elite influencers. And the elite influencers 273 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: are important because they also manipulate the media and the 274 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 3: American people, and they apply pressure to the system. And 275 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: the fourth side is where the legislative output or policy 276 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: pronouncements come from. And this explains what you kind of 277 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: alluded to. Why is it when conservatives get elected they 278 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 3: begin to move left. When the liberals get elected, they 279 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: just move further left. The reason is because the liberal machine, 280 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 3: the progressive machine, controls all three sides of the vice. 281 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: And the recipe for us is we have to build 282 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: capacity to compete, get our hands on the levers of device, 283 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 3: and put pressure for liberty instead of the extremism of 284 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 3: the political left. 285 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Has anybody figured out why the media is so left? 286 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: If you go to I mean, I've been in all 287 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: these newsrooms working there, they are all left wing people. 288 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: Why is that? We know? 289 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 3: I do think it's been a generational thing. I think 290 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 3: the Watergate era. I came of age during the Watergate era. 291 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: I actually started out as a journalism major in a 292 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: political science minor before I came to my senses and 293 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: went into business. And even then, in the late seventies 294 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: early eighties, it was already leaning left in that era, 295 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 3: attracted a lot of do gooders, essentially activists. Political activists 296 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 3: started to go to journalism schools and become journalists for 297 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: two reasons. One is it was the way they could 298 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: see they could affect narrative and how people consumed information 299 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: and how people were essentially propagandaized through the news media. 300 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: And secondly, they thought they're on the righteous side of 301 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: history because of that era, and so people that are 302 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: on conservative bent tend to go into business, engineer and 303 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: those sort of things, and it doesn't attract the same 304 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 3: kind of people into journalism. I think that's a big 305 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: reason why over over a couple generations. 306 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, every time I was ever on MSNBC, 307 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: everybody in the newsroom would glare at you. You know, 308 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: two conservative them, they'd glare at you. But everybody that 309 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: worked on the crew, the cameraman would come up to 310 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: you a whispering year. I agree with you, I agree 311 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: with you, working people. But is that the problem that 312 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: conservatives generally tend to not go into government, they tend 313 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: not to go into the media. They tend to actually 314 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: go to work and do some real things. 315 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: I think that's exactly right. Part of that is because 316 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: people who are naturally conservative, who believe in the founding principles, 317 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: they tend to go into business, or they just are 318 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: agnostic about government. They're just not interested in government. Doesn't 319 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: seem like an appealing thing. But those who are on 320 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: the political left, they believe in government. They want the 321 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: government to have more power, more say, and they love 322 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: for them to be in the control chair of the government, 323 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: wielding its power over how we all live our lives. 324 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: And so for them, an activist government that's always trying 325 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: to the dials to tune in our society better by 326 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 3: those elite influencers that I talked about who are telling 327 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: us all, like Anthony Fauci, them trying to tell us 328 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: how to live our lives better and better over time, 329 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: Bill Gates. They really believe that if they just put 330 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: the right people in the seats in government, they will 331 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: help all of us live a much better life worthy 332 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: of their great wisdom, which of course is fault and 333 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: never really works out. And that's how you get to totalitarianism. 334 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that is a big key to the 335 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: liberal mentality. They're very smart, You're very stupid. They should 336 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: tell you how to live your life, They should set 337 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: the rules for you. How do you cure that? It 338 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: seems built in? 339 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: I think one of the chapters in the book I 340 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 3: talked about picking different elites. I think the part of 341 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: the problem is we've allowed too many elites of the 342 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: left to take over our key institutions, obviously higher education 343 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: through twelve education, the healthcare system, the deep state itself, 344 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: corporate communications. We have to fight back to get those 345 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: jobs back, and there's a number of ways that people 346 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 3: are doing that. And one of the ways you pick 347 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: new different elites that are pro America and pro liberty 348 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: and reject the sort of centralizing authority that the political 349 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: left seems to be pursuing is by picking better politicians. 350 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: And I think the election of Trump is just a 351 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 3: really good example of that. That is the ultimate choice 352 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 3: to pick a rebel who is not part of the 353 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: elite consensus governing over the American people. And that is 354 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: why they've been so vociferous and just unbelievably ruthless in 355 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: going after him, is because he rejects the entire governing 356 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: philosophy of that technocratic political left. And that's one of 357 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: the things I talked about in the book is that 358 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: Trump is probably the greatest politician ever at resisting the 359 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 3: powers of the political vice when they really have unleashed 360 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 3: on him on a daily basis. It's going on right 361 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 3: now with a war. It's going on right now with 362 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 3: a Save Act. You can see the power of the 363 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 3: left as they try to control the narrative of the war, 364 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: which is going really well. But the American people don't 365 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 3: know that because of the way the media reports it 366 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: and all of these things. He is still very good 367 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 3: at resisting, and he's a unicorn when it comes to that. 368 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: Most politicians don't kind of correct courage and willpower. 369 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, if this is fascinating stuff, if you want 370 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: to read more, get the book. This is John Tillman's 371 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: new book, The Political Vice John Tilman, The Political Advice. 372 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: You can order the book. Hey, when you know, when 373 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: you say deep state, there's a lot of liberals or 374 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: even media, they'll say deep state, you're being paranoid. There's 375 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: no such thing. Well, it's an actual thing. There's you know, 376 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: you appoint the secretary of this department. He appoints thirty 377 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: people under him, but there's like five thousand under him, 378 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: that are permanent government. That's what we mean right with 379 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: the deep state talking. 380 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 3: About we're talking about millions of employer at the federal 381 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: and state level. Essentially, for every one elected official in 382 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: the country, there's thirty three people working in an administrative 383 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: role at implementing policy out of sight and out of 384 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 3: mind and wielding and wielding tremendous power. It's a real thing, and. 385 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: It's what they also call it, the permanent government. They 386 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: never leave and they really believe they control them, that 387 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: the president is just a temporary blip on their radar. 388 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: So how do you ever fix that. You're never gonna 389 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: get rid of those people. 390 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 3: The only way to fix that over time is to 391 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: change the civil laws governing civil employees in government. We 392 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: have to really change that. We need terminal emits for 393 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 3: government employees, and I think that would be a very 394 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 3: popular measure. Yeah, I thought about pursuing that we do 395 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 3: need termal limits for the permanent institutions of government. People 396 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 3: have been there years or more. It's time for them 397 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: to move on and go work in the private sector 398 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: for a change and find real worlds. 399 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: Like So, whenever you get a new president, a Democrat 400 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: or Republican. They're part of the system, you know, they're 401 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: part of the club. They speak in that formal, official 402 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: political way. Is that why there's so much Trump arrangement syndrome? 403 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: Is it that they've never felt themselves threatened the system, 404 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: the deep state by Trump, that the fact that he's 405 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: going to try to grab them right by the throat. 406 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: Is that why they're so outraged at him. 407 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: I think that's one aspect of it. And I think 408 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: that's an important aspect of it. Is he speaks in 409 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: every man's languge which you know, he's worked with the 410 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 3: trades his whole life. He's talked to carpenters and electricians 411 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 3: and welders and steel workers and all the rest of it. 412 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: He knows everyday language. And they don't like that. He 413 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 3: doesn't speak in the Harvard language of Barack Obama. So 414 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: that's one aspect of it. He's like a foreign animal 415 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 3: to them. But the other aspect of it that they 416 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: really hate is Trump holds them accountable. He says, you stink. 417 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: You guys are failing over and over again. You've had 418 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 3: all this power for decades, and look at the condition 419 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 3: of the country. You all are failing. And he says 420 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 3: that to the deep state, he says that to the 421 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: professional careers working in government, and he says that to 422 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: establishment Republicans that Democrats alike, and nobody likes to be 423 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 3: held accountable. The one thing that unites Democrats and Republicans 424 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 3: in Congress is they don't be held accountable by their voters. 425 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 3: And that is why they don't like Trump, because he's 426 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 3: holding him accountable on a daily basis. 427 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you get these politicians, these Gavin News Sometimes 428 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: they look great, they sound great. Meantime they get nothing done. 429 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: The place gets one hundred times worse under their leadership. 430 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: How do voters fall for that? Even Democratic voters. 431 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 3: The great chalent we face. And it's one of the 432 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 3: reasons I wrote the book is because voters are you know, 433 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: most voters are you know, people that are listening to 434 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: the Hannity Show or watch Hannity on on Fox News, 435 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: and people that read this kind of book are really 436 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 3: into this subject matter. But the vast majority of American 437 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: voter is maybe as much as sixty or seventy percent 438 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: of them are dipping in and out of politics lightly. 439 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 3: They get deeper involved every two to four years when 440 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: elections come around. But they're not paying a lot of attention, 441 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: so the propaganda does slowly work to blindside them and 442 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: blindfold them, and they don't fully see the truth of 443 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: what is going on. And part of my thesis is 444 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 3: that we need to build more capacity in media to 445 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: meet to read those untethered people in the middle who 446 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: surface him on politics. 447 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: Now, what can you build talk radio? Detailed coverage of 448 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: Fox News, That's what more could you build? 449 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: We need to build capacity in entertainment, film, music, every 450 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: aspect of that. There's been a lot one of the 451 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 3: things that's going on. You can look at radio is 452 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 3: a really good example, and podcasting is another really good 453 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: example that conservative outlets, and both of those have really 454 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 3: come on very strongly. Same thing with People News. They're 455 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 3: leading there the tip of the sphere and the vanguard. 456 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: But what's following behind that now are big investments by 457 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: a lot of philanthropists and business investors in film and entertainment. 458 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 3: I think that's a key aspect of it. And then 459 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 3: also another part of it is data capacity. We have 460 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: to continue to build out our data mining capacity and 461 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: really build The twentieth century was the century of mass communication. 462 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 3: For the first time in human history. The twenty first 463 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 3: century is going to be the century of one to 464 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: one communication, where we can literally dial down a specific, 465 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: customized message to individual people. The political left is pursuing 466 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: those capacities right now, and we need to do We're 467 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 3: doing some of that now on the right, we need 468 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 3: to do a lot more of it so that we 469 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 3: can peep for mind share outside of the less powerful 470 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 3: narrative and traditional media. 471 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: Wow, hey, e'splain that a little more one to one 472 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: in what format and what specific thing would you do? 473 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: Then he who controls data controls the messaging. So what 474 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 3: we need to do is build tools such as your show. 475 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 3: If somebody comes to the insite and signs up and 476 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 3: gets on your email list, now you have their email address, 477 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: you run it against social media accounts, you find out 478 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 3: how to reach them through Facebook, Instagram and the other 479 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: accounts x platform and you start marketing to them through 480 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 3: those third party platforms, but you have direct communication with 481 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 3: them through email and texting and so that they might 482 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: be watching the ABC Evening News or the CBS Evening News, 483 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 3: but they're also being reached through text, through email and 484 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 3: then through proprietary channels. So for example, Fox obviously is 485 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 3: proprietary channel that's owned by Fox News. Your radio station's 486 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 3: owned by whoever owns that. But part of this is 487 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 3: you use those third party channels while building a direct 488 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: marketing machine to reach people primarily through text and email 489 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 3: in the modern digital world. And the point of this is, 490 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: we don't want to just rely on broadcast network you know, CBSABC, NBC, 491 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 3: Fox television shows and run ads. We want to be 492 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: building channels of communication to individual people one of the time. 493 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: So for example, when you're streaming a show on your television, 494 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 3: the tools are now available where I can send you 495 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: an ad on Budweiser beer because you love that. But 496 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 3: your neighbor is going to go to add on Medelo 497 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: because we know he likes that. The same idea can 498 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: apply to politics, and that's what we need to be doing. 499 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: Very interesting, Well, obviously this is a fascinating book. You 500 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: want to get the book, John Tilman's new book, The 501 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: Political Vice. Order it now, Amazon, The Political Advice, or 502 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: wherever you get your books. John Tilman, great stuff, Thanks 503 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: for being with. 504 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 3: Us, Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. 505 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: All right, take care and now that's very interesting stuff. 506 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: Oh wait, hang on, this could be for you. Nope, 507 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: it's not my phone going on. Hey, it's Mark Simone 508 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: here for Sean Hannity. Normally I'm on our big flagship 509 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: here in New York WR. Or you can get my 510 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeart. You can get Linda's podcast there too, 511 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: which is called. 512 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't listen to it every day and 513 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: have it memorized. 514 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: Mark. In fact, you have commercials for it during my 515 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: show here and he works. 516 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 517 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Rogue Recap. 518 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: Road Recap. Rogue Rogue Recap. 519 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: You suck at this, but you're listening to John this 520 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: one to. 521 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: One, all right, Rogue g recap. 522 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: Uh. 523 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: Anyway, we'll got a lot coming, Hey, Greg, Jared will 524 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: be with us in a few minutes. We'll talk about 525 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Pam Bondi, Scotus and all that stuff coming up on 526 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity Show. Hey, it's Mark Simone here for 527 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity. Sean will be back soon. I'll take a 528 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: couple of calls. Let's go to uh Jeff in New Hampshire. Jeff, 529 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Sean Hannity Show. 530 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 4: Him, Mark, how are you doing today? 531 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: Good good? 532 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 4: I was calling because I wanted to get your take 533 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 4: on Psycho what's his name? Maria Carvill James Cargo and 534 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 4: his new ranch about how proud he wants to prosecute 535 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 4: the Trump fail family and come behind bars. 536 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, actually I enjoy that. I really like, you know, 537 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: the one thing with the Trump dirigiens. You know, I 538 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: enjoy seeing those people get so crazy. I love seeing 539 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: the fact that they're totally enraged. You know, Carville is 540 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: kind of retired, He's sitting at home. He could be 541 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: enjoying his life. Instead, he's fuming. Smoke's coming out of 542 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: his ears, his glasses are fogging up. He's in a 543 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: total rage. Twenty four to seven. They just can't deal 544 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: with it. And Trump is one. He's like the little 545 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: kid who you know in the zoo has to rattle 546 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: the cage. He has to like hit the cage with 547 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: a stick and rile up the tiger. But yeah, I 548 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: mean I didn't like Biden. I didn't think he was 549 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: very good, but I certainly didn't walk around thinking about 550 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: him all day. I certainly didn't get into a rage 551 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: and started yelling and screaming about him. I can't even 552 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: imagine that. That's why I like that, No, Kings, that 553 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: was great protesting stuff that doesn't even exist anymore. 554 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 2: Why don't we listen to Carville? He's crazy? 555 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: Oh you haven't, you fat? If you listen to this, 556 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: you listen good, because what I'm getting ready to say 557 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: is what a lot of people in this country speak for. 558 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: Who I speak for, and I'll speak for a lot 559 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: of people. You mean, you fat? This is what we believe. 560 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: You're right. I got Trump derangement syndrome. 561 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 2: I hate the mother, and you know what, I don't 562 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: want to get rid of it. 563 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: I don't want to get better. I want to get worse. 564 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: I want to hate anymore. I pray to God in Heaven, 565 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: God rain the righteous rain of Trump derangement syndrome of me. 566 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: Pray for me, Lord, I'm your vessel on this earth. 567 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: Pray for the people that listen to this. We want more. 568 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: We want to hate the son of a so much 569 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: that we can't see straight. 570 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that. You know, if I hate somebody, 571 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to walk by and see that they're happy, 572 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: they're enjoying themselves, they got a smile. I like to 573 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: walk by and see that they're punching the wall, they're 574 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: going crazy, they're nuts. Well be miserable anyway. Mark Simone 575 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: here for Sean Hannity