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Her clients include 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: just a few people that you've heard of, Hailey Bieber, 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: Kendall Jenner, Alsa hask Just to name a few. Danny 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: has carved out a pretty incredible career in fashion, and 22 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: her story is so inspiring in general, but of course 23 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: especially if you are interested in fashion styling or just 24 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: the editorial world. 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: Her new jewelry line Mega is so perfect. 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: I literally wear her pieces almost every day. I always 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: love chatting with another stylist. It's really just like revisiting, 28 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: you know, my past. And I just love her passion, 29 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: I love her love for the game, her work ethic. 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: She's so impressive. So let's get into it. So I 31 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: just want to, first without digging too much into your 32 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: early early beginnings, like what on earth made you start 33 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: to do this? 34 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: And like at what point? Like where where did you 35 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: grow up? 36 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: First of all, so I grew up really in theotomic Maryland. 37 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 4: When we went to school in DC. My friends lived in DC, 38 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 4: I worked in DC. So I felt like DC was 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 4: my home. It's what I always say. And so I'm 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 4: an East girl. 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: That makes sense. That that definitely makes sense. But by 42 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: the way, sorry DC, but I would never consider it 43 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: a fashion city. 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 4: No, no, However, I really think that it plays a 45 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: huge role in my perspective in fashion because we had 46 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: a huge music scene. So it was like the man 47 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 4: that I could rebel and I had a very like 48 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 4: liberal high school. So we were going to concerts on 49 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 4: Tuesday nights of like some of the best bands, like 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 4: like Things, people that headline Coachella, you know, two thousand 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 4: and twenty ten were like I was in a small, 52 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 4: one hundred person little room with them, and so I 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 4: had this influence of music and then at the same time, 54 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 4: I had this really like manicured, sophisticated perspective of like, 55 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 4: you know, a very proper upbringing. So I feel like 56 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: those two depositions of being like really poised and polished 57 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 4: and then all being like a rebel and unique. 58 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: Like come together and that was a huge part of 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: being in DC for me. 60 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: So you come from a family that's a little more 61 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: like traditional and proper. 62 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like holidays, like skirts below my knees, like 63 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: nothing could show from like neck to anywhere, like stock 64 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 4: takes packed elbows off the table. 65 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: You know. 66 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: Really yeah, okay, I would I would never get that. 67 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: I would never get that from you. 68 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: You do not give off that vibe. 69 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 4: My family was Southern, and it was just like very 70 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: expect with high expectations of like you know where you 71 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: come from it and how you need to act that lady, 72 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 4: and in a really positive way, you know, with really 73 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 4: strong ethics worlds. 74 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: You know, which quite frankly I crave. And you know, 75 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: I actually took my kids out of a very progressive 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: school and put them in a very traditional school because 77 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: I actually really I just I love manners. 78 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: I do. 79 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: I love manners and I and I love when people 80 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: look at you when you say hello to them. 81 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I do. 82 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: I do like that, I do, But I do think, 83 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: but I think that I think there's a balance, you know, 84 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: I think there's a balance. 85 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I think the kids that I don't want 86 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 4: to speak to people that like, I think you always 87 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 4: rebel from what. 88 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: Of course you know, of course whatever you were. 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 4: Of course, I think that as long as we started 90 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 4: in a really like we had a really good upbringing, 91 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: then you find your path where you're supposed to be, 92 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: and you go somewhere, you find your own world. But 93 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 4: I really love and I'm super grateful for that space 94 00:04:58,760 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 4: that it gave me. 95 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: And so when did you leave? When did you leave DC? Maryland? 96 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: Like were you Like, I'm out of here. I don't 97 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: want to live here forever? Were you like, maybe I 98 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: should try. 99 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 4: I listen, like, I went to the same school from 100 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 4: kindergarten until I was eighteen to senior year and I 101 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: went to University of I was gonna go to n YU. 102 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 3: I was like, two, that's what I'm me too. 103 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: That's also me too. 104 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,559 Speaker 3: I went to did you go to NYO? 105 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: No, my parents wouldn't let me. They said, New York's 106 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: not going anywhere see it. When you get back, you're 107 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: not saying where'd you go? I went to I went 108 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: to George Washington because they were like, well they well, 109 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: I said, okay, I'll go to. 110 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: LA and they were like, fuck, no, you're not. They 111 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: were like, because you will never come home. We will 112 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: never see you again. Absolutely not. 113 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 2: So like no, no New York City and no LA. 114 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, what'd you say? 115 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: Where are you from? 116 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: I'm from New York and New Jersey from Short Hills. 117 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: Oh my god, so my mom my mom moved to Livingston, 118 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: so I know. 119 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: Next door, you know it. Oh my god, that's so funny. 120 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 4: So I went to you just to like hang out 121 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 4: with a friend that was already in college, and I 122 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 4: got to this that was like straight out it looked 123 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 4: like saved by the bell. To me, I was like, 124 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: oh my god, grass and palm trees and fountains, and. 125 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: I was like saved by the college literacy. 126 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 127 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: So I got there and loved it. 128 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 4: I made like great friends and I'm still girl friends 129 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 4: with today and and had like an awesome experience because 130 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 4: it was very like in a city. So we went 131 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 4: to Miami all the time. And I feel like I 132 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: had this like beautiful few years where I was like 133 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 4: partly a child and partly an adult. 134 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: You know. I had a job and I went out 135 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 3: and I was in the city. 136 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 4: But then I also like fell back into my college 137 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 4: life and college campus and it was a perfect mix. 138 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 4: I feel like of like transition from child to adult. 139 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: That's what I always say about college, to be honest. 140 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: For me, like the biggest purpose the college serve for 141 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: me was growing up like learning to be like independent, 142 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 2: because otherwise you go from being a kid kind of 143 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: owned and governed by your parents into the real world, right, 144 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, you know, so I. 145 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: Just go to these and again not just speak on 146 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 4: someone else's experience, but like if you're just in these 147 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 4: small towns where you just live with a school life. 148 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 4: It probably is like a shock still look like adult 149 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: life versus school life. 150 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: I really also. 151 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 4: Love you know, I believe everything happens as it should, 152 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 4: and I think that it was a great school for 153 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: me as far as the transition of my life. 154 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: And then you were like, Okay, so new York, here 155 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: I come. I'm coming because I'm going to go to 156 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: New York. 157 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: With everyone from DC goes to New York. That's like 158 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: the natural progression, of course. 159 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 4: And I had interned in New York at the time. 160 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 4: I got internship at seventeen magazine, which was like, you know, 161 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 4: twenty years ago, that was it and. 162 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: I was at IM so yeah, yeah. 163 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: Why that that was my team. 164 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: It's my only job I have had. 165 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: My only job I ever had, I worked at I 166 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: worked at y M magazine and I started as a 167 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: fashion assistant in the closet three days a week, and 168 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: then I left a senior fashion editor and I went 169 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: freelance at twenty five MM. 170 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: Oha job, the job I ever had. 171 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: It was seventeen. 172 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 4: I was in the accessories apartment and one day, like 173 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 4: I was the first to get there the last one 174 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: to leave. Not because I was trying to prove something, 175 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: just because I was like so into it. And one 176 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 4: day they had to bring someone to set and they 177 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 4: were like, she's coming to set, and I didn't even 178 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 4: know what the word set meant. 179 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, you know, And. 180 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: I got to set and someone was there. They were 181 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: having a photoshoot. They were dressing you know, the models, 182 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: and I was like, this is a job to tell 183 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 4: people what to wear. 184 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: It's called the setting. At the time, it was the 185 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: sittings editor. 186 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I wanted to write that magazine. That's like 187 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 4: what I really had wanted to do. I love writing, 188 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 4: and that's where I thought my career would go and 189 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 4: I would work at a magazine because I thought you 190 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: wanted to work at fashion. 191 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: You wrote for a magazine. 192 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: I don't know how how the photos all there. I 193 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 4: don't even know what I thought, but I think that 194 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: when you and I spoke, like it was such a 195 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: different time that like no one talked about a stylist. 196 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: We didn't know what it was. And your show was 197 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight, was the year I graduated. 198 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: It all came at this like perfect storm of like 199 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 4: I knew I wanted to be it, and then you 200 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 4: showed the world what it was, and you kind of 201 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: madd this lane for us to be for it to 202 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 4: be spoken about. So at that point when I was interning, 203 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 4: is when I learned about being a stylist. And I 204 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: was like, Okay, that's what i'll go do and that's 205 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 4: what I want to do, and I'll do that in 206 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 4: New York. But before I do that, like I'm going 207 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 4: to go to like LA and have one year in LA, 208 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 4: kind of like before I become an adult, like transition 209 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 4: from like I don't just felt I was kind of 210 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 4: this one year and then I've never left. 211 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 2: I've never left, no way. And were you single? Were 212 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: you single when you came to La? 213 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,479 Speaker 3: I had never been here, did not know one person. 214 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: Yet out of here. 215 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I and I got this apartment off of 216 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 3: my space. 217 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: This girl, this girl had this really great like you know, 218 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 4: fashion music, MySpace blog and I was like, she needed 219 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 4: a roommate and. 220 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: I took the spot. 221 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: How wild is that? 222 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: See? 223 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: When I moved here, I had I had a whole 224 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: life here because I had spent I moved here because 225 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: I was spending like eighty percent of my time here styling. 226 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: So I was like, why am I going back? And forth. 227 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: I've always wanted to live here, and here I am 228 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: twenty years later, so it kind of eats you that way. 229 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 4: It's crazy that you're interviewing me because the first time 230 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 4: we met, like I was asking you one million questions. 231 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: And you were so I was an episode where you've 232 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: told your whole story. 233 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 4: So I can go watch it because for like a week, 234 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 4: I like kept thinking about everything you were saying. 235 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: Your story is. 236 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 4: So incredible and so sweet, legendary. Really, the experience you 237 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 4: have so legendary. And when you write a book, I 238 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 4: would be the. 239 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: First a buy it or whatever I have too. 240 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: That's what I'm sending you when we hang up, I'm 241 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: going to send you. I'm going to send you Style 242 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: eight z O and Living in Style. 243 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 4: And well, no, no, no, I had Style eight. I bought 244 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 4: that because that came That came out. 245 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: A decade ago. 246 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: It came out when you graduated. It came out. I 247 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: think my first book, I want to say it was 248 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: two thousand and eight or two thousand and nine, and 249 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: then two thousand and twelve or thirteen because I was 250 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: pregnant with Kayas. 251 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: So yeah, definitely bought your first book. 252 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: You mean my narrow book. 253 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, is there a book where you tell? I 254 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: don't remember what that now, but I definitely. 255 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: I don't think I have. 256 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: Everyone wants me to do a tell, but it's like 257 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: I'd get arrested. 258 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: I can't. Like I could do one without names, or 259 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: I could tell you know the story. Here's the thing. 260 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: It's interesting because it is kind of interesting because it's 261 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: very similar. My story is similar to yours in the 262 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: way that I like, I didn't really know what I 263 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: wanted to do, right, and so then I think at 264 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: the end of the day, I sort of fell into it, 265 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: fell in love with it. Definitely did not know what 266 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: a stylist was. And to your point, the reason I 267 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: started the show was because it was actually the last 268 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: thing I said i'd ever do right, Like, never in 269 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: any life would I want a camera on me, Like 270 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: put it on the client. 271 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: That's what I do. 272 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 2: And then I was like, you know what, why is 273 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: everyone so so confused about this industry? Like there has 274 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: to be some democratization of what this is. It has 275 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: to be more relatable to more people, you know, And 276 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: I have to explain the genius of the designers behind 277 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: the curtain because they are genius and that's why everybody 278 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: looks this way, you know, And so I don't know 279 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: that was sort of the goal of it. And I 280 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: think for me to hear you and so many other amazing, 281 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: you know, young stylists that I adore sort of want 282 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: to or or be more motivated to become a stylist 283 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: from that is like for me, there's no better reward 284 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 2: that I could get forever doing it because oh so 285 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: hard five years, but it's not easy to do. 286 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 4: You're so sweet, it's just really unbelievable, like even for me, 287 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 4: Like it's like for me, it is not past me 288 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: that I'm speaking to. 289 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: Like the legend herself. 290 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: You're the cutest. Well let's talk about you. So okay, 291 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: So here you are. 292 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: You graduate, you moved to LA and you basically think 293 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: you're going for a year to just do this and 294 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: become a stylist because you now that you've figured out 295 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: what it is, so you moved to LA. You get 296 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: this room from a random person on MySpace, which is 297 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: just you know, wild, but people do do that. I mean, listen, 298 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: you know Jen Akins story, She like rolled here in 299 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 2: a car and was like with like three hundred dollars 300 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: or something like lived in her car, and here she 301 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: is like, you didn't even know, like you didn't have 302 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: a client at that point, so like, what are you doing, 303 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: by the way, wait, important question here because I think 304 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: this is very important, Like you didn't have a client, 305 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: you came to LA because to me, that's actually terrifying. 306 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: And your parents were they like my daughter's lost her mind, 307 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 2: like because a lot of parents do not support the insanity, right, 308 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: but you have the bug, right, and you know you 309 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: said you're you didn't really go by the same rules, 310 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: so you sort of were like so you're this like 311 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: wild fashion card. 312 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 4: I think that, I mean, I know that I have 313 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 4: always been so driven, and I've always like sought after 314 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 4: something and like. 315 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: And and made it happen. I think that my. 316 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 4: Mom trusted that she raised me well and that I 317 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 4: would make the right decisions and that if this was 318 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 4: something I was after, she would encourage me to chase 319 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 4: whatever I was looking for. 320 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: Right, we were speaking every day. She was like she 321 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: was the phone call I made every day. 322 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 4: She knew what I was doing, and I didn't really 323 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 4: I didn't know what I was doing. I just knew 324 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 4: that like I wanted to see this part of my 325 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 4: life because I kind of felt that I was going 326 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 4: to go to New York, get an apartment, get a life, 327 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 4: and like just live in New York. I was like, 328 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 4: before I just start my entire next chapter of my life, 329 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: let me have like one little adventure. And she supported that. 330 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 4: I don't think anyone thought I wasn't coming back, Like 331 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 4: no one thought that I thought we were. I was 332 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 4: just going to LA for a year, but I moved 333 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 4: here and then I mean, listen, everything I always believe 334 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 4: like happens for a reason at its right time. And 335 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 4: like randomly, the neighbor in the building worked at the 336 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 4: jim Hens a lot and was like, there's a stylus 337 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 4: that needs an assistant. And I don't know if you 338 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 4: know Michelle Tomachevski anyone who does know or has wid brothers, 339 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 4: she is like one of the nicest human beings. I 340 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 4: was like blessed with this, like incredible human too. She 341 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 4: threw me in the deep end we were doing. Her 342 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 4: client was the Jonas Brothers. 343 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: And they were like, yeah, the fire, they were on fire, 344 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: that's my name backstreet. 345 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 4: Literally and it was you know, talk shows, music videos, 346 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 4: photo shoots, like you know, private planes everything. It was 347 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 4: just like at the top level immediately in the deep end, 348 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 4: and she was just like the nicest human that did 349 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 4: business the right way. 350 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: And everywhere I went, I would be like, Hi, I'm here. 351 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 4: From Michelle, and they'd be like, oh, we love her, 352 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 4: Like isn't she the best ill? And I saw that 353 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 4: respect and I respected her even more the way that 354 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 4: she treated me, the way she cheated other people, the 355 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 4: way that she was her reputation, Like I was like 356 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: this is I was just so entry it maybe want 357 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 4: to work so much harder. All I wanted to do 358 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 4: was like be the best I could for her because 359 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 4: she was being the best she could be and it 360 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 4: was just like the best environment. I learned so much 361 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 4: and like still today when she likes my photos and 362 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 4: I'm like, you're still cheering. 363 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: That's the dream, by the way, Well, it's the dream 364 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: to have someone like you and then and then in 365 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: turn to support and cheer for you. 366 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 4: When I knew that's like exactly how I wanted to be, 367 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 4: and I've really never like faltered from it. It's like 368 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 4: being kind is like the number one thing on my like. 369 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: Requirements should always be and should never changed. No matter 370 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: how brutal it could get and does get. 371 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to like. 372 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I truly believe like yelling at someone 373 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 4: doesn't make them want to like work harder. It probably 374 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 4: shuts people down, you know, and like getting mad, it 375 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 4: doesn't bring anything positive. 376 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 3: Right, you have to work through and find solutions. 377 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 4: You have to encourage them and like say like it's 378 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 4: okay moving forward, Like just work to be your best 379 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 4: team of your best self, and like I think that will, 380 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 4: in my opinion, push people to then be their best selves. 381 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: You know, well, yeah it didn't in my case, but 382 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: but I'm so happy it does for you because because 383 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: I'm hoping that it's a bit of a new world. 384 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 2: You know, for me, it's been it's so so fun 385 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: to watch you do your thing because you know, I 386 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: hadn't known you, and then when I met you. 387 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: I was like, she's such like a cutie. 388 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 2: Like she's meaning Like for me, it's it's you know, 389 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: people always ask me like how did you become Rachel's 390 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: so why you why did da da da? And Roger 391 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: would always answer that, like, well, she outworked everybody. She 392 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: never looked at the clock, she never thought of it 393 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: as a job. She did ten ten x extra because 394 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: that was what the client needed at the time, or 395 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: that's what she felt the client needed, right. And I 396 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 2: don't know any of that other than I loved it 397 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: so much that it was all I could do, right. 398 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: And so when I when I meet someone like you, 399 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: I get so sort of like I remember coming home 400 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 2: that night and saying to my husband, like, I met 401 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: like the cutest girl. I was like, I was like, 402 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: she styles all the girls. I was like, but she 403 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: loves what she does, you know, she like loves it. 404 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: It's like she loves it. She has the like spark 405 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: in her eye she had, like you can tell you 406 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: could spot people like that. 407 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: That's the thing. 408 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 2: There's people that do things because it's a job, and 409 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: there's people that do things because they live and die 410 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: for it, you know. And I think that there's a 411 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: different way that people motivated by the passion and genuine 412 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: love for the job end up working right and truthfully 413 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: end up succeeding right. And so I think with you, 414 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 2: it's it's very obvious. 415 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: That you love it. So what are like, were there 416 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: ever any moments? 417 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: So you end up coming here, you never leave, you 418 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: end up working for Michelle which is the dream to 419 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: work for an incredible stylist because I always say, like, 420 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: it's boot camp, right, and especially when you work in 421 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 2: music specifically, it's boot camp. 422 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: That was my train That was honestly my training. 423 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: I went freelance and right into Brittany and Backstreet and 424 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: Jessica Simpson and in Sync and all all of. 425 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: All of that, and Enrique and Enrique, and it. 426 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: Was just like, as you said, like limitless budgets, music videos, 427 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: album covers, private planes, You're going to Monaco for twenty 428 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: four hours, You're flying here for three hours and you're 429 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: getting back. It was like I definitely aged like twenty 430 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: years in five years, and I definitely didn't sleep. And 431 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: it was the most insane amount of money. It was 432 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 2: the most insane like working out. It was just always 433 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: working right. And but I will say it was the 434 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: grad school. It was the grad school for styling. It 435 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: was because you had to be prepared for everything, right. 436 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to hear those stories, Rachel. 437 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: So there are so many stories there are. 438 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 4: Which is crazy, Like someone just asked me something yesterday 439 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: and I'm like, like I can't. There was a country 440 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: I've open to, Croatia. I can't even remember going to Croatia. 441 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god. That happened to me the other day. 442 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: Someone was like, oh my god, I'm dying to go 443 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: to Prague. And then literally like someone goes, Rachel, didn't 444 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: you go there for like a broad pitchot? And I'm like, 445 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: I did. I actually went there. I did go there. 446 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: I was there for two weeks. What was your favorite part? 447 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 2: I'm like, I remember a bridge and a hotel and 448 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 2: literally that's it. 449 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: A bridge at There's. 450 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 4: So much I always say, is that because we're like 451 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 4: so detail oriented, Like in my office there's thousands of 452 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 4: pieces and I could like tell you a backstory about 453 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 4: fings one of the things, what job they came from? 454 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 4: Like like sometimes when we do like purges and I'm 455 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 4: like no, no, no, you guys. I'm like this piece 456 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 4: and like I have such insane short term like there 457 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 4: is nothing you could ask me that I wouldn't know 458 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 4: going on that. 459 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: I think that it's like for my long term. 460 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: Has like yeah, away, it won't come back to you 461 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: till people interview you, like and all of a sudden, 462 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: it's a little bit of like this is your life. 463 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: Like I'll be like, Rachel, you did this and you 464 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: did this album and you were here dressing them for this, 465 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: and I'm like. 466 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: M, you're right. I was. You're absolutely right. I was. 467 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 2: And it's so funny, like sometimes you have this moment, 468 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 2: but it does. It did teach me sort of like 469 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: as I move forward in work, like try to like 470 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: try to experience it, you know what I mean. Tried it, 471 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 2: but it's hard. You can't because it's it's like this, 472 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: and especially when you know, being a stylist, you're in 473 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: the service business, right, so it's it's you you almost 474 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: take your whole self out, you go, what do you need? 475 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: Who needs this? D D DA? 476 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 2: Right like and it's it's like flashes of light that. 477 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 3: Honestly is like such like an important sentence. 478 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 4: So I think a lot of people a forget that, 479 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 4: like you know, service business. 480 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 3: From the perspective of like how hard we give. 481 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 4: Like sometimes when I come home, I'm just so drained 482 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 4: because my whole day is emotionally and mentally and creatively 483 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 4: giving to other people. And I think that also like 484 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 4: for the younger generation that forgets like this is a 485 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 4: really hard job. 486 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 3: It is hard, difficult, And. 487 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 4: I think that going back to what you said, it's 488 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 4: like only the people that like are really passionate about 489 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 4: it and that are not just chasing the money but 490 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 4: chasing their creativity and their relationships and the connections, and 491 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 4: like the moment is like when when they'll succeed because 492 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: you have to give it one hundred and ten percent 493 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: and it takes a. 494 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 3: Lot, a lot out of you. 495 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 4: So it's like we have to be really dedicated and 496 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 4: really want it and really care. 497 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 2: And you are married, correct, I am tell me everything? 498 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 2: So where did you meet Prince Tremy? 499 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 3: We met? It's like it's like another whole podcast on itself, 500 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: so I'll. 501 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 4: Keep it that we met at a dinner party. I 502 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 4: was on a first date and he was on a 503 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 4: second date. I showed up like on the back of 504 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 4: this motorcycle as an Italian man, and he was like, 505 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 4: I came out in my rigel, I took the helmet off. 506 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 4: I like shook my hair so like my hair wasn't flat, 507 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 4: and he saw me and he was like, I want 508 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 4: a woman like that one. 509 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 510 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: I saw him. He did this matter check and I 511 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: was like. 512 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: You did a magic check. 513 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, you did a magic check. 514 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 4: On me, while using his date as like his his 515 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 4: you know, so she was like, I knew you always 516 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 4: had a thing for her. But either way, that night 517 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 4: we like super connected. But we stayed dating our people 518 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 4: for about a year. Finally, about a year later, it 519 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 4: was after like a fashion event that we ran each other. 520 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to Hevingways. 521 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 4: And I was like you should come, and I was 522 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 4: like live a little bit and he came and we 523 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: like danced all night and then we had told each 524 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 4: other that we had feelings for each other. And then 525 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 4: eventually I told the guy that I was eating and 526 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: I said like, I'm so sorry I have feelings for 527 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 4: someone else. And he was like actually, he was like 528 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 4: and he was such a beautiful human and he was 529 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: so like it was exactly what I did in that 530 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 4: time my life and I'm so grateful that relationship. But 531 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 4: he was like you know what, He was like, I 532 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 4: see that for you, and I think that you're going 533 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 4: to marry him. And I was like, oh, he like 534 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 4: totally gave me his blessing and then fast forward we 535 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 4: got married. 536 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: That's wow, he said. 537 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: He goes. He either said I think you're going to 538 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: have his baby one or I think you're gonna get 539 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: married one of the two we did one of those things. 540 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: But Gabe, full blessing. 541 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: Wow, and you did have a baby. 542 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a baby right three? 543 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god. 544 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 4: Which I also asked you about when we met because 545 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 4: I was like so sure that I need to have 546 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 4: a girl. And having a boy is like the greatest 547 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 4: thing that's ever happened to me. 548 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: It's a love affair that is indescribable. I don't know 549 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 2: what else to say. 550 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 3: Believable. 551 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 4: And he just entered the cuddle vase. He's never wanted 552 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 4: a cuddle. It started two nights ago. I just got 553 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 4: like my first like. 554 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: In bed, like under the arm, like wrapped around to. 555 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 4: Yes, like mommy bear, baby bear, cuddle in this morning 556 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 4: I got out of bed, his little sid don't leave 557 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 4: me here, Like it just happened two nights ago. 558 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 3: And it's like incredible. 559 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna make you feel better. Mine is almost 560 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: thirteen and my little one is just turned ten, and 561 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 2: they're both under my arms, still wrapped around me literally 562 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: every night, every night, in every morning. 563 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 3: So the baby sleep out with you. 564 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: So on the on the downlow, I would say, sometimes 565 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: they start there, sometimes they just end up there, you know, 566 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 2: And I think Roger just stop fighting it. 567 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: Sometime midway he was like, you know, okay, I'll. 568 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 4: Send you this video that I just saw the other 569 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 4: day that actually said that the reason why babies are 570 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 4: in your bed is that's where they' supposed to be 571 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 4: in your Every time that they wake up scared and 572 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: you cuddle them, you're creating this sense of safety for 573 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 4: them that will be so ingrained in their future. So like, 574 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 4: don't don't not do it because you're not supposed to. 575 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 4: If your baby needs you to comfort them, comfort them. 576 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 2: I will do it until they go to college. If 577 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 2: they let me, I will. I'm such a sicko. I 578 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: literally cannot let go of them. They make everything better. 579 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: They make me just happy. 580 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: They actually told me that I should go back to styling. 581 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: They go, Mommy, the way you talk about styling, Mommy, 582 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 2: you should do it again someday, and yeah, and it's funny. 583 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: They go, you know, you style us, but I feel 584 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: like you probably want to put pretty long dresses. 585 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: Sah. 586 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: Well, they haven't seen my show. 587 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: Skyler's begging me to watch it, and I'm like, oh. 588 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't think i'm there yet. I think there's too much. 589 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: You know, you know, I have gone back. Like I 590 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: think after I met you that night, I was like, 591 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: oh that I was like an. 592 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: Episode it's wildlid. 593 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: In your studio and the dresses got wet. 594 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 2: That was one of the worst days of my life. 595 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: I the worst days of my life, and you know, 596 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: there were many, but I you know, I mean when 597 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 2: it rained on the globes and I had five clients 598 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: in long gowns and then every single picture of every 599 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: single one of them was holding an umbrella holding the 600 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 2: train up. 601 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, I quit. 602 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: You know, It's so weird because I had so much 603 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 2: of my life and my emotion. I think if I 604 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 2: like watch it, it's just going to be like a 605 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: this is your life kind of thing, because, like you said, 606 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: it's a bit of a. 607 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: Blackout for me. 608 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 2: The show it was such a hard thing to do 609 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: because I was working, like you're working now, right, I 610 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: was styling, but I was also like I started my 611 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: media business and these other things. But then I had 612 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: to shoot the show like five days a week, and 613 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: it was sort of like not it took nine months, 614 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: you know, and so it was just mental and I 615 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: would just be like I need to work, like I 616 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: actually need to do my job, you know, But in hindsight, 617 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: what it meant to people and what it did for 618 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: people for me, makes every bit of it worth it, truthfully, 619 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: because it really to know that it had an impact on, 620 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: you know, people like you, or people going through the 621 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: hardest time in their lives and couldn't get out of bed, 622 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 2: you know. 623 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: Things like that for me helped me. 624 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: Reprioritize is the purpose of what I was doing, you 625 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: know what I mean? And I think like it definitely. 626 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: I think, in hindsight, really helped redirect and focus my 627 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: real mission for everything I do in my job and 628 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: for the brand and everything about it and what I 629 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: want to always do for women, right. 630 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: And so. 631 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: I think, like with styling, I just felt like it was, 632 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: like you said, it was like this unknown thing, right. 633 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: And so I think for people. 634 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: Like you now that are bringing you know, these women 635 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: that are so they love you and they support you, right, 636 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 2: and these girls are like your friends. And I think, 637 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: you know, it's such an intimate relationship being a stylist, 638 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: and I was so personally invested in it, you know, 639 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: And like you said, I think it's hard because I 640 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: think when you love it that much and you care 641 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: about it that much and you care about the people 642 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: so much. Right, It's like it's not a fake best friend. Right, 643 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: It's like you're in there, you're in the studio. Like 644 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: I would sit with my clients till three in the 645 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: morning and we would have like you know, champagne to tea, 646 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: to breakfast, to this, to that, and like forty outfits 647 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: later and like play dress up and all the things, 648 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: and then you know, and then these looks would come 649 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: out of it, like born out of those moments, you know, 650 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: and it's incredibly rewarding, you know, in the sense of 651 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: like when your client looks at you and was like, uh, 652 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: we did it, or like I've never felt so beautiful, 653 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: or like that was a great one, or like you know, 654 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: don't you just aren't? Those the pinchman moments. For me, 655 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: those were the pinchmy moments, you know. 656 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 4: And in a thousand percent I always say that, Like 657 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 4: for me, the only like I don't read comments. 658 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: I don't read like now you can't, you can't, you can't, 659 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: I really don't. 660 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 4: The only thing that matters to me is that they're happy. 661 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 4: And when they tell you that they're happier, they felt 662 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 4: like a million backs of the day or like wesically 663 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 4: like any of those things. 664 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 3: I like, that's when I'm just. 665 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 4: Like, oh, like it'll change my whole day. Like I'm 666 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 4: so happy when they are happy, and like I. 667 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: Know, like that's a sign of. 668 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: Like real love, you know, or just like listen, I 669 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, you're living your dream. 670 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: Now you launch a jewelry line called Mega, which I 671 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: personally love and like I literally opened it and put 672 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: it on, and so I think now, like obviously starting 673 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: the jewelry line, you're starting to I think, look at Okay, 674 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: so what's another passion and what am I doing? Right 675 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 2: Cause it's because it's a big jump, right like whenever 676 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: you start to divert from what you're doing, you're like, Okay, 677 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: this is scary, but I'm doing it. 678 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 4: It felt like the right thing for me because I 679 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 4: really feel like I found my place in fashion where 680 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 4: I'm supposed to be. I think that creating a fashion 681 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 4: line would have been it would have been so conflicting 682 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 4: to my creativity. And I think that I've always been 683 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 4: passionate about Julie for me, like it's super sentimental and 684 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 4: it's it's what I've like splurged on when I like 685 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 4: want something to like signify something like for me, I 686 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 4: asked for jewelry for a graduation, for you know, my 687 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 4: thirtieth birthday, for my thirty fifth birthday, anything it's significant 688 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 4: to me, my push gift Valentine's Day, Like all I 689 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 4: want are a. 690 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: Little I get, usually like a ring or something that 691 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 3: I feel like. 692 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 4: I thought I would stack them all way which of 693 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 4: those little pieces were like memories and accomplishments and meaningful 694 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 4: parts of my timeline. And that's how it really started 695 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 4: with me stacking a bunch of rings, because everything really 696 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: had a backstory of like a meeting to me, and 697 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 4: I just felt like, you know, my mom is a 698 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 4: Julie designer for the past ten years. She pivoted after 699 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 4: she sold her business, and it just always felt like 700 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 4: something sentimental and personal to me. And it felt like 701 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 4: just a no brainer of like where I should be 702 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 4: and what I should be doing. 703 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: And so my mom and I partnered on this together. 704 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 4: She does all production and I do creative and we 705 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 4: bounced obviously like ideas together. 706 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: But that's so fun. That is so much fun. 707 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 3: I did not know that even talk more every day, 708 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 3: So it's great. 709 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: I did not know that, so why the name Mega? 710 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 4: So Vogue had called me a mega wat stilast And 711 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 4: that was like one of those moments where I was 712 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 4: like did you read that? I? 713 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 3: And I even have to like google it. I was like, 714 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 3: what does Mega want me? Because I know this like 715 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 3: you know, a title, but like let me just read 716 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 3: into it. 717 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 4: And it was it was after that article, I was 718 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 4: like what am I doing with myself? 719 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: Like what is text? You know? 720 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 4: And so when I was putting together all my creative 721 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 4: boards and you know, every folder, I would just put 722 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 4: Mega because that's just kind of like. That was at 723 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 4: that moment where I was like, okay, let's let's do something, 724 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 4: and so all my folders and we did so much 725 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 4: like you know those like name searching diagram. I mean 726 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 4: I was doing French, I was doing and we did 727 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 4: Mega in French, but I speak French and I was 728 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 4: doing Italian. I was doing everything, and I was just 729 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 4: trying to find the right word, and I kept coming 730 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 4: back to Mega because for me, it just felt like 731 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 4: so like large than life, one of a kind, strong, bold, 732 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 4: like the four letters was just so crisp to me, 733 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 4: and it felt like who the woman was with someone 734 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 4: that was like minimal but strong and bold and confident 735 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 4: and just felt right. So I did so much searching 736 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 4: and I came back to that, to that word. I 737 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 4: love that you're so sweet. One day, I hope I'll 738 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 4: get to like ask you more questions or so. 739 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 2: You can ask me anything anytime, seriously, anytime. We'll go 740 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: for a glass of shamps and talk the top, talk 741 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: the dog, because god, there's talk. But yeah, I promise 742 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 2: to do that. 743 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 4: I think that if I I could like leave with 744 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 4: like one idea of like this business, but I feel 745 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 4: like I always like struggle with like what I could 746 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 4: do to like share my story because I can't even 747 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 4: tell you how many people, Like probably once a week 748 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 4: I get an email. 749 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: That's like, how do I be you for like. 750 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 4: My store, I mean, for my school project, or like 751 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 4: could I just ask you what you know, like what 752 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 4: your experience was, Like I know that there's so many 753 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 4: people dying to hear these stories, and nonetheless I could 754 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 4: never have each of these individual conversations. I always try 755 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 4: to think about, like what platform I could share like 756 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 4: the true story with. 757 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 3: And I think that one of the. 758 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 4: Questions when we were discussing, like what we would talk 759 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 4: about was just like what are your three pieces of advice? 760 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 4: And I feel like if I could just share with 761 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 4: the kiddos, I feel like the three things is like 762 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 4: for me, which have really been like tried and true, 763 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 4: is like to be kind you know? 764 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 3: Is that I think that when people. 765 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 4: Let their ego change, like what their intention is, you know, 766 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 4: these relationships with your team, with the showrooms, with the stores, 767 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 4: with the designers, with your clients, with their assistants, Like 768 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 4: all of these relationships is what CRAFTI your entire business, right, 769 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 4: It crafts who you are, where you will go, and 770 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 4: what you will succeed with. And I just feel like 771 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 4: sometimes people forget they think that they're better than someone, 772 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 4: or that they're in a different position than someone, and 773 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 4: like we are all in a web working together, and 774 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 4: it would not be possible without each of those people. 775 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 4: If the designers weren't making the clothes, if the showrooms 776 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 4: weren't wrapping them, at the store associates weren't helping you, 777 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 4: if the assistant wasn't scheduling the fitting, Like we are 778 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 4: all in this together and we have to treat everyone 779 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 4: like kindness and respect and like that those relationships will 780 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 4: lead to like your success in a genuine way, like 781 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 4: you can't. You have to really care from your heart. 782 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 4: If you don't like it, won't it just won't be genuine. 783 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 4: But when you really do care and you really find 784 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 4: that respect for everyone like that is so pivotal. I 785 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 4: think to success, I always say like, give everything, go ahead, and. 786 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: No want to I want to comment on that, because 787 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 2: the best of the best are always the kindest and 788 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: I can tell you that firsthand. 789 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: I can tell you that. 790 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 2: And your reputation is all you have to stand on 791 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 2: in business, and it's people can see when you're not 792 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 2: genuine they can, And so kindness is first and foremost, 793 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 2: literally the most important thing you do in business, and 794 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 2: it's treating the person at craft services, the person doing 795 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 2: the lighting, the the person at the door. 796 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. 797 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 2: And people that think otherwise will never ever ever last 798 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 2: in the business, especially today in days of past. Maybe 799 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 2: you can be an asshole, you cannot be an asshole. 800 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 2: You have to treat people with kindness, but genuine and 801 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 2: first and foremost. And Peter Limberg, I have to tell you, 802 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 2: was the best example of that because he was the kindest, 803 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 2: most brilliant photographer and working with him was such a 804 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 2: gift because the way that he talked to people, the 805 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 2: way that he treated people, how gentle he was, how 806 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: kind he was to every single person on set, no ego, nothing, 807 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,720 Speaker 2: And I tell anyone that will listen, in any position, 808 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 2: that that's how you win. You will last forever if 809 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: you if you are good to people. 810 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 1: Everyone. 811 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, I walk off set and like I like all 812 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 4: the griff and like the team. I'm like, good shops 813 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 4: to you guys, like you killed it because if it weren't, 814 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 4: I'm doing epic writing like what it's my fashion saying. 815 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 3: You know it's true if everything. 816 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 4: One is so important And I really, like wholeheartedly believe that, 817 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 4: and I'm glad you even brought off like you know, 818 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 4: the crafty behind the scenes people like all in it together. 819 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 4: There is no one I don't care you're. 820 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 3: Following or what. 821 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 4: There is no one more valuable on the set than 822 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 4: anyone else. True except for the talent that we're all 823 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 4: we're all bare. And then I think, like giving everything 824 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 4: one hundred and ten percent, I feel like I can't 825 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 4: tell you how many times I would like it'd be 826 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 4: the end of the day, the last or after like 827 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 4: three days of like out and about and I'd be like, oh, 828 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 4: do I like need to go there? Like my car 829 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 4: is bulled the top, like do I really need to go? 830 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 4: And I can't tell you how many times it'd be 831 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 4: the last stop and that would be. 832 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 3: The look like of course, and I thank god, like 833 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 3: I never gave up. 834 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 4: I did everything over and above into what you were 835 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 4: saying your clients, like you gave them like you went 836 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 4: over and above, and like I know my clients know 837 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 4: that I do that. I know that they know I'm 838 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 4: thinking about them all the time. That like when I'm 839 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 4: not on a job with them, I'm still thinking about them. 840 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 4: And when I do a job, I like work from 841 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 4: it from the moment they tell me to, like the 842 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 4: finish line, like it's it's so important because like every 843 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 4: detail tells the whole story. 844 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 3: And like I always like leave no rock and turn. 845 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 4: And then I think to what you just said about 846 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 4: like your reputation, like it's the one thing you can't buy. 847 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 4: And once that reputation like is gone, there's nothing you 848 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 4: can do to fix it. And I think a lot 849 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 4: of people think that this is some race and they 850 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 4: think that because there's Instagram now that like there's this 851 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 4: immediate satisfaction that like they can like they should be 852 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 4: a sturtplace so fast, and it's like it's a marathon 853 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 4: and there's no. 854 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 3: One thing that will like get you to the end. 855 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 4: You have to you need every little step along the 856 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 4: way because you learn from every step, and everything that 857 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 4: you do, you like learn so much from and everything 858 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 4: you do is valuable. And I just think that you 859 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 4: have to like give everything it's full like experience, because 860 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 4: it will lead to something else. And you have to 861 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 4: like understand the longevity of your career. If you want 862 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 4: a long career. 863 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 2: Ye say yes, you're coming up, say yes to everything 864 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 2: for you everything. 865 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 4: And I think what's like so crazy is that there 866 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 4: were so many times where I. 867 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 3: Like wanted to quit or I wanted. 868 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 4: To like up because it was an incredibly different time. 869 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 4: If you remember, all we had was a website, right, 870 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 4: there was no Instagram, So if. 871 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: I went I had a portfolio. 872 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 4: I remember having my pri at all book that I 873 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 4: would bring into an office. It was so differing, and 874 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 4: if I was so discouraged because I would go do 875 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 4: something great, right, I would. I remember I was working 876 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 4: with Douglas Kirtland, who was the last photographer to shoot 877 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 4: Maryland Monroe, and we would do these incredible things together. 878 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 4: I was shooting with for you know, I was so 879 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 4: young and we were doing like Vanity Fair, but I 880 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 4: had no one to show it to, right, I would 881 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 4: do this amazing story and then there was no platform. 882 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 4: It would be in a magazine, great, like someone would 883 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 4: read the magazine, but there was no way to show 884 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 4: anyone like look what I'm doing and. 885 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 3: Look what I'm capable of doing. 886 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 4: So I had to grow my entire business by every 887 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 4: time going on set and someone being like this girl 888 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 4: is so great, you should use her. This girl is 889 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 4: so great tiger, And that's obviously what happened. And it 890 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 4: would come from the publicist or the makeup person or 891 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 4: are the assistant, like everything said to something. But it 892 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 4: took a really, really long time because there was no 893 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 4: platform to show people what you could do. When today 894 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 4: these little girls are dressing themselves and they're like. 895 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 3: You know, look right, you know. 896 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 4: But it was such a long process and I had 897 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 4: it was really hard and I bloodsweet and tears. 898 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 3: Like my husband was telling me these stories like do 899 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,280 Speaker 3: you'se like do you remember? 900 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 4: Like literally I checked everything myself and like checked in 901 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 4: and out, like I did everything myself, you know, like 902 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 4: I literally grew this entire thing myself, and I don't 903 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 4: I don't forget those things. And and I think that 904 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 4: a lot of people today like are racing and it's like, 905 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 4: so it will come. I promise you it will come 906 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 4: if you're if you follow those steps, if you're a 907 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 4: good person, if you give it one hundred percent, if 908 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,439 Speaker 4: you do business the right way, like if you say 909 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 4: yes to every opportunity, like your pie will come. 910 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: I promise it's true. 911 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 2: But you have listen, I scream at every mountaintop, you 912 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 2: got to do the work. You gotta do the work 913 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 2: you got. You have to do that work. And that 914 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 2: is the biggest problem with this generation right now. I'm 915 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 2: sorry to generalize, but like it's across the board, in 916 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 2: every in every industry. And I think to your point, 917 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 2: because everyone's looking at highlight reils right on social media 918 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 2: and you know, you still have to do the brick 919 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 2: by brick. It can be faster than it was for us, 920 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 2: but like it's just blood, sweat and tears at the 921 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 2: end of the day, and you have to do it 922 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 2: that way because you learn from it you grow from it. 923 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 2: I was taping little taxi receipts and food receipts for like, 924 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 2: for like one hundred thousand dollars wardrobe budgets, and I 925 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 2: would turn in like a hundred pages of like xerox 926 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 2: paper on both sides with a glastick of all my expenses, 927 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 2: and Roger would help me because I suck at math, 928 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 2: and like, you know, amongst rolling rocks and shoes and 929 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 2: like you know, living in New York and so you know, 930 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 2: I think that those things are the things that shape you. 931 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 2: So it's like to your point, it's like I say 932 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 2: to people coming up, it's like those like sort of 933 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 2: war wounds are what makes you really and it makes 934 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 2: you rightful. 935 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 3: And I read this one quote. It was actually I 936 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 3: think from like a painter or no. 937 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 4: It was something that was like it was basically an artist, 938 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 4: and he was like he was justifying his rate, right, 939 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 4: And he was like, you're not paying for my rate 940 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 4: for what I'm doing today and tomorrow, you're paying for 941 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 4: everything I have learned along this entire way and everything 942 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 4: that I'm going to like all of the knowledge that 943 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 4: I have at this level to the table. So I 944 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 4: feel like when it's like people at our level, I've 945 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 4: been doing this for over fifteen years, Like when you're 946 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,280 Speaker 4: asking for a certain rate, it's because, like you have 947 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 4: so much experience, Like if I know I need something, 948 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 4: I know exactly where to get it, how to get 949 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 4: in the best version of it, because I've done it 950 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,280 Speaker 4: so many times. And I feel like the younger people 951 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,399 Speaker 4: when they like think they should get the same rates 952 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,439 Speaker 4: as us, I'm like you, you there are so many 953 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 4: experiences that you've never been in that you won't even 954 00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 4: know how to handle that, like like have grace, have patients, 955 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 4: like it will come, but it's I have so many 956 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 4: layers of like everything that I have that I've experienced to. 957 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 3: Be to am right now. 958 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 1: It's the wisdom. It's the wisdom. 959 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 2: And I like to say the war wounds for better, 960 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 2: for better or for worse, but they're there and I 961 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 2: think it's what makes us. And I think it's again 962 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 2: the same in any industry, and I think you have 963 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 2: to you have to put it in and I you know, again, 964 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 2: the stars stand out and ultimately you stand out and 965 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 2: you're crushing it and the girls know it and it's 966 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 2: and you love it and you love it and you're 967 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 2: doing it and and you're building mega with your mom, 968 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 2: which is so beautiful. 969 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 4: If you told me, like you know when they say, like, 970 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 4: where do you see yourself in five years? Like I do, 971 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 4: think there's something so real right because like the things 972 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 4: that like I I if you told me for my clients, 973 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:57,760 Speaker 4: I'd be like. 974 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,280 Speaker 3: You're crazy, and it's a dream. I'm living this dream. 975 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 4: And then on top of it, like I consult for 976 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 4: this huge company that's incredibly exciting for me. I'm a 977 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,439 Speaker 4: creative director of this huge company that's exciting for me, and. 978 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: I realized to say what it is. 979 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 3: Or I am. 980 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 4: A fashion consultant for Sony Pictures amazing, I am just 981 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 4: took on the role creative director for Joe's Jean's amazing. 982 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 4: I launched my Jeli brand, and I have a dream 983 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,839 Speaker 4: stiling business and it's like it's just so incredible because 984 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 4: if you had asked me five years ago, I would say. 985 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: Don't I know. 986 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 4: I would have said I would love to creative direct 987 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 4: for a brand and I would love to consult like 988 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,840 Speaker 4: those were I thought the next step of things like 989 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 4: a bigger picture project, and I have these bigger picture projects. 990 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 4: So it's really incredible to like forecast and to like 991 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 4: put your heart in something I don't think about on 992 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 4: the daily, but it probably like. 993 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 3: In the realm, you know. 994 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I you know, it's funny because I 995 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 2: don't know that I ever projected, and I think it's 996 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 2: amazing to see that you kind of you had that 997 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 2: idea that that's what you wanted to do for the 998 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 2: next step, and it happened. And I think it's also 999 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 2: patience because it's also not saying tomorrow right, you're saying 1000 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 2: in my five year, I hope to be doing this right. 1001 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, so now I got to set my next five years. 1002 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 2: I believe it's called manifesting, right. I believe it's called manifesting. 1003 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 2: I'm trying this so far I suck at it. 1004 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: I have to say no. 1005 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 4: But I think it's like it's things that just like 1006 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,319 Speaker 4: sink into your system, you know what I mean. Like 1007 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 4: it's not like pacing it. It's not like you're like 1008 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,800 Speaker 4: this like if you're looking for like it won't happen. 1009 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 4: It just like you like think about it, you say it, 1010 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 4: you feel it, and then you like go live it. 1011 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 4: And I just think that, you know, maybe it's working. 1012 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 2: Working Danny, it's working and you're a mama, and you're married, 1013 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 2: and it's all the things. I feel like, you're living 1014 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 2: all the dreams. So pinch yourself now. Pinch yourself now 1015 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 2: so that you remember that you're living all the things 1016 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 2: in all the dreams. 1017 00:47:59,560 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 3: You know. 1018 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 4: It's also so interesting is that I don't. I think 1019 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 4: one of the other reasons of my success is that 1020 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 4: I don't think about it. 1021 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 3: Is that I don't. 1022 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 4: I don't ever like I've never changed, Like you know, 1023 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 4: I don't wear makeup. 1024 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 3: I don't like I wear flats like or right, I 1025 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 3: like to. 1026 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: Wear hell, you're also like five ten, yeah. 1027 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 4: Like I just like I just I'm so focused on 1028 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 4: like what I'm doing that I've never I've never thought 1029 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 4: about the global I've never thought about I don't think 1030 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 4: about the clients that way. I just think, like, this 1031 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 4: is my job and I need to go give it 1032 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,720 Speaker 4: one hundred percent. And like, I don't. 1033 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 3: I've never changed in that respect, and you can't. 1034 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,840 Speaker 4: If you start thinking about it, right you read the 1035 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 4: comments of this, you could psych yourself out, like you 1036 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,919 Speaker 4: just have to be like focus on what you're doing. 1037 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,320 Speaker 4: And I and I think that that's another reason why 1038 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 4: like I've been able to just keep pushing. 1039 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 3: Is that because I don't think about it. 1040 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,839 Speaker 4: I just like I just stay focused on what I'm 1041 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 4: doing and like push to the next thing and keep 1042 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 4: and just keep going. 1043 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,799 Speaker 2: You know, you kind of just do it. You've got 1044 00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 2: to live it, you've got to be it. You've got 1045 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,839 Speaker 2: to do it, and don't ever think it. And to 1046 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 2: your point, I think, I don't know. I just the 1047 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 2: only thing I could say to you is just recognize 1048 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 2: what's happening, because I never did. 1049 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: I never did. 1050 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,760 Speaker 3: There's this thing called the imposter syndrome. 1051 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,879 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I know it well. 1052 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,879 Speaker 2: I know it well, and I think sometimes we all 1053 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 2: just feel like that and we're like wait, and then 1054 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,239 Speaker 2: people say these things too. 1055 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: You're like huh. 1056 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's very real. It's like very real, and 1057 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 3: I'm just like wait, you know, like I said, but 1058 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 3: if you told me this is my life, I wouldn't 1059 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 3: believe you. 1060 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just well, you better believe it, honey, 1061 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:47,320 Speaker 2: because you are climbing in fucking flats, but you are 1062 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 2: in your mega jewelry and styling, mega supermodels and actors 1063 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 2: and musicians and all the things, and living all your 1064 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 2: wildest fucking dreams. So I'm happy for you and I 1065 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 2: love watching it, and I'm happy I met you, and 1066 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 2: I'm happy I got to talk to you today. And 1067 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 2: then we have to have like an offline. 1068 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of those like pitchments. I know 1069 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,319 Speaker 3: that like every day, but really for. 1070 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 4: Me, this means so much to like talk to you 1071 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,839 Speaker 4: into like I'm like Rachel's own knows who I am. 1072 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm so swear. 1073 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 2: I know who you are and I adore you, and 1074 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 2: I love what you're doing and I'm so happy about it. 1075 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: And I have to be honest with you. 1076 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,400 Speaker 2: For me to just see someone that loves it so much, 1077 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,399 Speaker 2: like truthfully, not to sound like a mom, but like 1078 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 2: that actually fulfills me the most. And to know that 1079 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,919 Speaker 2: I had any part of that from the beginning, it's 1080 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 2: just makes me even it makes me feel like so 1081 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 2: much is worth what I've been through. 1082 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 4: Even ohh like that's when street Style started, like all 1083 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 4: of that, you know, like listen, it all happened the 1084 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 4: same time with this perfect storm of like the internet, 1085 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 4: you know, all the things in time, you know, and 1086 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,760 Speaker 4: you're just at the crux of this like change. 1087 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 3: Our business just changed and you were right there in 1088 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 3: the center of it. 1089 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,359 Speaker 2: Well, I love it, and I adore you, and I 1090 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 2: love your passion. I see it coming out of your 1091 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 2: eyes and your skin and your smile. But I'm just 1092 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,879 Speaker 2: impressed with you. I love what you do. I love 1093 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 2: how you dress all the girls, I love your collaborations, 1094 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,399 Speaker 2: and I'm excited to just continue to watch you fly 1095 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 2: and sore and do all the things. It's so good. 1096 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 2: I know that you have a friend on the sidelines 1097 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:40,800 Speaker 2: over here. Okay, everyone, it's that time in the show 1098 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 2: when I answer two listener questions, so let's see what 1099 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 2: we have today. Okay, this is funny. Do you typically 1100 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 2: tailor all of your pants and jackets or do you 1101 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 2: wear things straight off the hangar. I definitely do tailor things, 1102 00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 2: for sure, Believe it or not. I'm incredibly lazy about it, 1103 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 2: and I typically wait until, like you know, the day 1104 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 2: before I have to wear something. If it's for something visible, 1105 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 2: I'll get it tailored. But I more so tailored gowns 1106 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,960 Speaker 2: for major events rather than my everyday clothes. And because 1107 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 2: I am I just wear higher heels so that I 1108 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,320 Speaker 2: don't have to have my pants. 1109 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 1: Truth. 1110 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, As a stylist, for one hundred years. I 1111 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 2: don't barely tailor my own clothes. 1112 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 1: Fun fact. 1113 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 2: Okay, what's your advice on listening to your instincts as 1114 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 2: a young person just starting my professional career when it's 1115 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,840 Speaker 2: easier to be a people pleaser most of the time. 1116 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,760 Speaker 2: That's a really, really good question and a very hard 1117 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,600 Speaker 2: one to answer, because I think as somebody starting out, 1118 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 2: you almost have. 1119 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 1: To be a people pleaser. You really do. 1120 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 2: When you are first starting out and learning, very often 1121 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,040 Speaker 2: your opinions you have to keep to yourself and vent 1122 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 2: them to your safe person at home. 1123 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,800 Speaker 1: You really have to respect. 1124 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,439 Speaker 2: And listen to the person that you're working and learning from, 1125 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,880 Speaker 2: and then know that if your instincts were right and 1126 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 2: you did the opposite based on what you were told 1127 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,720 Speaker 2: to do, then just take it as a learning lesson 1128 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,759 Speaker 2: and use it as your sort of inner arsenal of 1129 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 2: knowledge when you go out on your own or to 1130 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,920 Speaker 2: your next job. But I do think that a big 1131 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 2: problem for the young generation starting out now is that 1132 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,400 Speaker 2: they come in really thinking they know so much, and sometimes. 1133 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,840 Speaker 1: They very well do. 1134 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,279 Speaker 2: But I think the last thing someone who is like 1135 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 2: a very seasoned veteran in a job wants to hear 1136 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,520 Speaker 2: is like a twenty two year old sort of like 1137 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,799 Speaker 2: shooting off their mouth about what they think they should do. 1138 00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 2: Now that said, in the work environment that we are 1139 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,799 Speaker 2: trying to nurture, now, I know, for me, all of 1140 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 2: my team, I love their opinions. I love their opinions, 1141 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 2: and you their opinions, and very often I really take 1142 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 2: what they say and I really use it and it 1143 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,600 Speaker 2: really impacts my overall decision because it's a fresh perspective, 1144 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 2: it's a younger perspective, and quite frankly, I think we 1145 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,319 Speaker 2: really need that, you know, because it is a new 1146 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 2: world and it's a new way of looking at things. 1147 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 2: And so I think that if you have a good boss, 1148 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 2: your boss will empower you and ask for your input. 1149 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,359 Speaker 2: And whether they choose to take it or not, that's 1150 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 2: up to them. But trust me when I tell you, 1151 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,480 Speaker 2: they will know if you added something valuable. 1152 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 1: They will know and they will remember, and so will you. 1153 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 2: So don't forget to submit your questions for next week's episode. 1154 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 2: All you have to do is dm us your questions 1155 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 2: to at Climbing in Heels pod on Instagram and I 1156 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:57,560 Speaker 2: might just answer your question. Thank you so much to 1157 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:02,200 Speaker 2: Danny for being on the pod today is just the 1158 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 2: real deal. She's as genuine as it comes, and I 1159 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,600 Speaker 2: have to tell you, for the first time in life, 1160 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,640 Speaker 2: I actually felt like I was talking to myself. 1161 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:10,799 Speaker 1: It was actually. 1162 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,399 Speaker 2: Really a bit surreal, like the way she was answering questions. 1163 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 2: I literally felt like it was my answers like it was. 1164 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,000 Speaker 2: It was actually a bit surreal for me to have 1165 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,359 Speaker 2: this conversation, but I loved it so much because it's 1166 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:31,040 Speaker 2: her passion is so genuine. Her work ethic is unparalleled, 1167 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,520 Speaker 2: and you know, I think so many of her points 1168 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,760 Speaker 2: are so important because when your clients know how much 1169 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,280 Speaker 2: they mean to you and how much you think about 1170 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,799 Speaker 2: them when you're not on the clock, I think that 1171 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,440 Speaker 2: really is what matters. And she works really, really, really hard. 1172 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 2: I really loved her takeaways about being kind, giving one 1173 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,000 Speaker 2: hundred and ten percent, and keeping your. 1174 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,240 Speaker 1: Reputation solid gold. 1175 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 2: So don't forget to write a review wherever you get 1176 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,440 Speaker 2: your podcasts. It really helps us out and they love 1177 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 2: reading them. So while you're at it, follow me in 1178 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 2: at Rachel Zoe and at Climbing and Hails pod on 1179 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,359 Speaker 2: Instagram for more updates on upcoming guest episodes. 1180 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,439 Speaker 1: And all things care ature, I'll see you next week. 1181 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:12,799 Speaker 1: Come on,