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Speaker 1: Paul, do you think you can be better this year

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Speaker 1: than you were last year? You know what he said?

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Speaker 1: He's like, I have a cutter now.

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Speaker 2: A spring training in Bradenton, Florida. Today, A J and

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Speaker 2: Kratz together for Pirates camp. Hey, guys, feeling day two?

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Speaker 2: What's that? Is that your Schemes card? Are you trying

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Speaker 2: to get it?

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Speaker 1: Carlo? So we've been We're in Bradenton here, and I've

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Speaker 1: seen every person I believe on the Pirates except for

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Speaker 1: one guy. It's the one guy. He's like the Pope.

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Speaker 1: He's like the Pope here. He has like the he

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Speaker 1: got his own card. He's got everything. He goes in

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Speaker 1: like different entrances to the field and stuff. He's like,

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Speaker 1: you Scott in my house. I don't let you come

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Speaker 1: in the Yeah, I try to hide.

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Speaker 2: That that door, the that looks like it's just a bookshelf.

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Speaker 2: And then I pressed the secret. Am I supposed to

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Speaker 2: not give that away? Okay, never mind yet? Tell them,

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Speaker 2: don't tell them. Hey, let's show the schedule. Though some

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Speaker 2: people are like, where are you guys going to be

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Speaker 2: the amount of texts and replies to social media? Are

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Speaker 2: you gonna be at this camp?

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Speaker 1: This day.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have a calendar at least for a week.

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Speaker 2: We did Orioles Camp. We're at Pirates camp Wednesday, Yankees

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Speaker 2: Camp Thursday, Cardinals Camp Friday, Met's Camp. Say hi if

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Speaker 2: you can get inside.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Orioles were great except for the weather.

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Speaker 1: It's been like this every day. It's been like seventy degrees.

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Speaker 1: These Northerners come down Scott straight downhill. Yes, this is

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Speaker 1: not this is not how it's been at all. No,

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Speaker 1: it's been very Syracuse. It's been like this right now,

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Speaker 3: First sun that we've seen, and it's nice. Like there

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Speaker 3: wasn't many redeeming value, much redeeming value about Florida when

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Speaker 1: Glad we're here. Was yesterday, so he talked about and

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Speaker 2: Was yesterday's biblical rain, like the biblical losses that were experience.

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Speaker 1: We tried to go to We tried to go to

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Speaker 1: dinner last night, and it was biblical. When I tried

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Speaker 1: to pay for one less. Yeah, look up biblical Biblical

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, just google that for the owners, for

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Speaker 2: the billionaires. All right, let's hit some game action from yesterday,

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Speaker 2: can we see? Or hey, so Lair go nuclear the

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Speaker 2: new d H for the Angels. Dude can swing it.

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Speaker 2: I've seen some big swings from Horge Solaire in the past,

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Speaker 2: I would like to see him take up a good

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Speaker 2: Layer is great, but they need him to be exceptional

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Speaker 1: No rain, no rain in Arizona, and that ball still

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Speaker 3: But what like, how many how many dhs do you

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Speaker 1: What if he's feeling good? Are you like? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Because what if you're feeling What if he's feeling good

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Speaker 1: And you go crap.

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Speaker 3: Now we don't have a DH. And I know teams say,

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Speaker 2: So you're saying forty games with and out at DH, yeah,

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Speaker 1: If you still got to run, you still got to

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Speaker 1: You still got to run. It's not like a DH.

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Speaker 1: Now we'll see how many games that is for. But

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Speaker 2: Mariners offense popping off get ready for Seattle. Ryan Divish

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Speaker 1: Spring training means this much right here, Yeah, a single thing.

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Speaker 1: Spring training doesn't mean oh thing. The hitters listen. Arizona.

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Speaker 2: The Mariners have a super talented pitching staff. That's no secret.

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Speaker 2: The reaction's awesome. But crats, what do you think about

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Speaker 1: All for it? You're always trying to get better.

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Speaker 3: Hey, J and I were looking around at all the

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Speaker 1: At bat and you go rollover. I'm going back to

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Speaker 1: So I asked krats with those where there's four mounds there,

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Speaker 3: That's why I love Florida. I loved the Florida spring

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Speaker 3: trainings over Arizona. And I know I'm I'm in the

435
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Speaker 3: minority when I say that because of how close everything

436
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Speaker 3: was in Arizona. But being down here in Florida for

437
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Speaker 3: spring training, my family would come with me all the time,

438
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Speaker 3: so they got to go to the beach, they got

439
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Speaker 3: to go, you know, play out in the yard. By

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Speaker 3: the end of By the end of spring training, sometimes

441
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Speaker 3: in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: It was one hundred degrees. Kids can't be.

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Speaker 3: Playing in our sand backyard. Like if we rented a

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Speaker 3: house with a pool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they'd be in there.

446
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Speaker 3: But like it was, there was a lot. I enjoyed

447
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Speaker 3: Florida spring training way way.

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Speaker 2: More to dry heat though crats to dry heat in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. It feels like

450
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Speaker 1: you're cooking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, well really exactly. It just comes down

452
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Speaker 2: to do you like eating gator or scorpion? You know

453
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Speaker 2: gator you go to Florida likes, right, you've had both.

454
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Speaker 2: Of course, you've eaten scorpion. I'm sure barbecued scorpion wings

455
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Speaker 2: or something like that. Scorpion closer Island is delicious. Yeah, Oh,

456
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Speaker 2: Thailand has the best scorpion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he said.

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Speaker 2: That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said.

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Speaker 2: That's what he said. Hey, we have a Philly show

461
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Speaker 2: that's part of the Foul Territory Network. We have eleven

462
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Speaker 2: total team shows, fifteen shows in all. We'll talk more

463
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Speaker 2: about the newest edition tomorrow. I can give you a

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Speaker 2: hint though it's called May Day, whichever may. But the

465
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Speaker 2: Philly Show has been dominating in Clearwater, Florida. That's Todd's

466
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Speaker 2: a Leaky rubin tomorrow and Jim Salisbury. That trio has

467
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Speaker 2: been lining up a number of interviews with Phillies players,

468
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Speaker 2: including Zach Wheeler. Here's a little clip s.

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Speaker 4: The slider was kind of struggling a little bit, not

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Speaker 4: necessarily shape wise, like shape. It could get a little

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Speaker 4: bit better. But the stone at first a good, you

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Speaker 4: know strike, It's always low, it's always a ball, and

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Speaker 4: so I've never got chases off of it and stuff

474
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Speaker 4: like that. Calebs kind of came to me, Hey, this

475
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Speaker 4: is the kind of the new thing going around, and

476
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Speaker 4: you know, he introduced it to me. I tried a

477
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Speaker 4: few different grips and I found one that kind of

478
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Speaker 4: mimiced my curveball, just the hair. So I was comfortable

479
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Speaker 4: with a grip. I just had to change my angle

480
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Speaker 4: a little bit more. You know, once you start playing

481
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Speaker 4: around with that angle kind of messes with your fastball

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Speaker 4: a little bit. So I kind of had to go

483
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Speaker 4: back and forth in between starts and starts. It was this,

484
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Speaker 4: some starts as that, and then the split. We talked

485
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Speaker 4: about it during the off season.

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Speaker 2: I need I need.

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Speaker 4: Something that goes to the show it. Yeah, so the sweeper.

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Speaker 4: I basically just hooked that scene right there. Try to

489
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Speaker 4: make this the horseshoe right here or the train tracks

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Speaker 4: wherever we will call it. Kind of just keep going

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Speaker 4: that way. That's my thought on it. Now, I'll keep

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Speaker 4: the keep it going. I just gotta make sure I

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Speaker 4: don't start doing that and trying to make it go.

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Speaker 4: I gotta keep my arm up because that's where my

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Speaker 4: fastball is and just trust it and throw it. And

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Speaker 4: then the split before I was kind of just like

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Speaker 4: a normal split like that, my fingers down on the side.

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Speaker 4: But then I started going up with my other fingers

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Speaker 4: for whatever reason, it's more comfortable, and I started hooking

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Speaker 4: that seem a little bit interesting.

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Speaker 1: My thumb's just there.

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Speaker 4: Just basically don't even use my thumb, but my thumb's

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Speaker 4: is there for a little bit of brace on that side,

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Speaker 4: So throw it?

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Speaker 1: Do it? Like the Fastball.

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Speaker 2: And the Phillies Show is yes, part of the Ft Network.

507
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Speaker 2: There's how you can get involved, obviously typing it into

508
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Speaker 2: the platform that you love. That's Billy Wagner on the

509
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Speaker 2: screen there, by the way, But what did we think

510
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Speaker 2: of what Zach Wheeler said? You know, it's crazy. Obviously

511
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Speaker 2: he's deep into his career at this point, but he

512
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Speaker 2: keeps getting better and if you look at his numbers

513
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Speaker 2: over the past five six years, AJ, he's probably the

514
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Speaker 2: best pitcher in baseball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that no one really mentions in that conversation. Right. Playoffs,

516
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Speaker 1: he's been on the playoffs. It's been unbelievable in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: This guy, this guy earns every dollar he makes. By

518
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Speaker 1: the way, what makes every start ninety five punches? You know,

519
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Speaker 1: one time in the lineup in punches everybody ticket with

520
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Speaker 1: heaters right here, right, and then he's like, oh, I

521
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Speaker 1: can throw these other pitches too, By the way, I mean,

522
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Speaker 1: he's he's as good as it gets for me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's in the top ten conversation of pitchers in the

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Speaker 1: game right now. Easy, he is he's.

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Speaker 3: What you think or what I think of when I

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Speaker 3: think of, like guys, how they were taught how to pitch.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 3: Not everybody has Zach Wheeler stuff, but when he was taught,

529
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Speaker 3: like the way that he goes through the lineup and

530
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Speaker 3: not throwing all his pitches the first time through, like

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Speaker 3: it gives you the ability to go deeper into the game.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Nola does the same thing as Aaron Nola had

533
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Speaker 3: the same success. No, but they're not just going out. Okay,

534
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Speaker 3: my best pitch is my sweeper. You know, I'm working

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Speaker 3: on my sweeper now.

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Speaker 1: It's my best pitchpp rip.

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Speaker 3: By the fifth, sixth inning, he's thrown ninety five like

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Speaker 3: max effort pitches. He works counts, he works the Hey

539
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Speaker 3: you know what, now, I'm just gonna blow this top

540
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Speaker 3: of the zone heater by guys, and I'm gonna get

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Speaker 3: some quick outs with that ground ball down in a

542
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Speaker 3: way he gets his strikeouts and he gets his quick out.

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Speaker 3: So to me, he's I don't want to say he's

544
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Speaker 3: underrated because he's finished top three last year, but he's

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Speaker 3: definitely not talked about in that same category and he

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Speaker 3: should be.

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Speaker 2: He's everything you want in the starter. To me, you've

548
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Speaker 2: got the pitch, got the length, you've got the swing

549
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Speaker 2: and miss. What are you pointing to AJ?

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Speaker 1: Well, he was supposed to come on, but apparently he's

551
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Speaker 1: pitching today. Jared Jones Jones.

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Speaker 3: If you can see him, he was in AJ shot,

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Speaker 3: but now he lunged out of the way of A.

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Speaker 1: So I talked to him earlier. He came on. Remember

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Speaker 1: he was great last year. He came on and nobody

556
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Speaker 1: and he was like, I don't know if I'm gonna

557
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Speaker 1: make the team or what. And he came on. So

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Speaker 1: I went up to him and said, hey, remember how

559
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Speaker 1: good you did last year, Maybe we could He said sure,

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Speaker 1: And then I found out he was pitching today. So

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Speaker 1: thet count on Jared Jones coming on today, a little

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Speaker 1: little piece of information, say hey, I'm pitching today, And

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Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I'm starting in the game, pro

564
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Speaker 1: reliever or whatever. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But he was being nice. He was probably either

566
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Speaker 2: nervous or just trying to be nice to you guys

567
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Speaker 2: and say, yeah, I'll do my best. I'll try to

568
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Speaker 2: come on, you know, in between my prep for my start.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, if he would have said that, I would

570
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Speaker 1: have said don't worry about it. It's a big deal

571
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Speaker 1: if anybody wants to have it.

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Speaker 3: If players are watching right now, here's your ps A,

573
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Speaker 3: your public service announcement. J doesn't want you to be nice.

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Speaker 3: AJ wants you to be honest with him. Just tell me,

575
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Speaker 3: just tell him, Just give him. Just dog like, I'm

576
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Speaker 3: not gonna be able to make it on. Why because

577
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Speaker 3: I don't like coming on or I'm pitching in the game,

578
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Speaker 3: or I really don't like crats one of the two.

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Speaker 1: He's good with any answer not not listen. I understand

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Speaker 1: why he's not coming on, Like he's pitching today, right, so,

581
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Speaker 1: I mean again, if he just would have said, hey man,

582
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Speaker 1: I'm pitching today. Okay, cool bro, you're starting awesome legs.

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Speaker 1: Go get him, like, help you pitch great, hope everything

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Speaker 1: goes well for you. Help you punch it Coe his

585
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Speaker 1: ticket lean off the game. I doubt you know. I

586
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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: And he's not taking abs in a normal game.

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Speaker 1: I would say, you go punch his ticket just because

589
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Speaker 1: you're nice. Good fella, good fella.

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Speaker 2: Can I circle back to Wheeler for one moment. Do

591
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Speaker 2: you remember when he signed that first contract with Philly?

592
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Speaker 2: You brought it up Kratz. There were critics, They're like,

593
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Speaker 2: this guy hasn't proven crap. This was for me an

594
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Speaker 2: opportunity for front offices to be like, shut up, we

595
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Speaker 2: know more than you to the general republic. And they

596
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Speaker 2: were right. Sometimes front offices are really good at projecting forward.

597
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Speaker 2: Sometimes they're not. But they were really good in this instance.

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Speaker 2: So I have to give credit to the Phillies. Not

599
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Speaker 2: like at the time they were the most front you know,

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Speaker 2: ahead of the game front office in terms of analytics

601
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Speaker 2: and all that. But most people around the sport said, hey,

602
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Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler is not unleashing his true potential yet with

603
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Speaker 2: the Mets. That was a previous front office, with the

604
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Speaker 2: Mets previous player development and coaching system. Right, it's been

605
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Speaker 2: a minute at this point, you're looking at like six

606
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Speaker 2: seven plus years ago with Zach Wheeler in his development,

607
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Speaker 2: and the Mets have since invested millions and dollars in

608
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Speaker 2: pitching lab and new pitching coach, the whole deal. But

609
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Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler was not reaching his potentially and it's not

610
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Speaker 2: like he was a baby, right. He hit free agency

611
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Speaker 2: and the Phillies found, like I said, the best starter

612
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Speaker 2: in baseball in the past half decade at a bargain

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Speaker 2: price because he hadn't done it yet consistently in the majors.

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Speaker 3: Imagine how much it will be different, And he kind

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Speaker 3: of alluded to it had he accepted the offer to

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Speaker 3: the White Sox.

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Speaker 1: What you mean, think about how much, how much bigger

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Speaker 1: of a star he would be if he played for

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Speaker 1: the White Sox versus the Phillies. Think about all the

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Speaker 1: World Series the White Sox would have won. He would

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Speaker 1: have accepted that instead of going to the Philly he

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Speaker 1: hasn't won one. Just think, Zach, you could have won

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Speaker 1: multiple World Series if you were a White Sox. Same

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Speaker 1: Zach missed on that one. I'm sorry, I love you,

625
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Speaker 1: but you missed on that one. It will go down.

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Speaker 3: I saw an article and I wish I remember who

627
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Speaker 3: wrote it, but they were talking about some of the

628
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Speaker 3: best contracts in history in the sense of getting getting

629
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Speaker 3: most value out of that contract. Obviously he didn't win

630
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Speaker 3: a cy Young yet and anything like that, but what

631
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Speaker 3: they paid him in his last contract to me set

632
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Speaker 3: it up as a no brainer to like, let's go

633
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Speaker 3: do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Keep him in.

635
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Speaker 3: The Phillies, Red and White, because like, it's been nothing

636
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Speaker 3: but awesome, and.

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Speaker 1: You don't have many innings eaters.

638
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Speaker 3: He also eats innings like you talk about dudes who

639
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Speaker 3: are dominant, but he throws one hundred and sixty innings.

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Speaker 1: They don't have it.

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Speaker 3: Dude's throwing two hundred plus. It's to me, could this

642
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Speaker 3: be the year that he gets.

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Speaker 1: His cy Young? I don't know.

644
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Speaker 3: Look at what Sale did last year. Nobody thought Sale

645
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Speaker 3: was gonna do what he did.

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Speaker 1: Right.

647
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Speaker 2: And if Sale isn't able to replicate what he did,

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Speaker 2: or they scale him back a little bit to try

649
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Speaker 2: and preserve him for the end of the season, then

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Speaker 2: that would open up the race a little bit more.

651
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: There's a dude at the camp you're at right now

652
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: who is anxiously going to be competing for a cy

653
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: Young Award as well. In Paul Skeans some of you

654
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: Jared Jones, Bubba Chandler now. But we spoke to Skemes

655
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago in New York City. I don't

656
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: think we're going to get him today. Some people asking

657
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: about him, but AJ, I mean he was talking about

658
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: it's rare, well mini version of him.

659
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Speaker 1: Here here, We got him here, Hi, Paul.

660
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Speaker 2: Ask him a j ask him if he feels like

661
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: ask his card if he feels like he is going

662
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: to be a better pitcher, not just a picture. Obviously.

663
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: He goes thirty starts like, does he actually think that

664
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: he can dial it up from the ridiculous numbers he

665
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: put together last year?

666
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Speaker 1: Paul, do you think you can be better this year

667
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: than you were last year? You know what he said,

668
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: He's like, I have a cutter. Now, didn't have a cutter.

669
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Speaker 1: I just had a four seemer, a sinker and a

670
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: splinker and a little slider. But now he's spelling a cutter.

671
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Speaker 1: So I mean, do I think he can? Yeah, you

672
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: heard Derek out and say it. This guy. If you

673
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: talk to the pirates people around here, they're like, well,

674
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Speaker 1: if he pitches thirty games, we should win at least

675
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: twenty of those games, right, I mean not that that's

676
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: but I would go even higher than that. I would

677
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: think you'd be in. You would be in twenty seven

678
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: of those thirty. Now that everybody has a clunker here

679
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: and there, but out of those thirty starts, if he

680
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: gives you a chance to win twenty seven of those thirty,

681
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: it's a good good thing. Do we have to say

682
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: everybody has a clunker. Has he had a conquer He did,

683
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: He had a conker one of his first starts. Everyone

684
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: has a clunker. He had one. It happens. It happens

685
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: to everybody. Everyone has a clunker, the best. Even Chris

686
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: Sale had a clnker last year and he was unbelievable.

687
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: Derek School had a clunker last year and he was unbelievable.

688
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: But everybody at some point, I mean, Johan Santana won

689
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: Cy Young's he had clunkers. Everyone has a clunker every

690
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: once in a while. Just happens. It just happens.

691
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you have a clonker and you're a starter,

692
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: you can easily get away with it.

693
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: So as a clunker. As a reliever, well yeah, that's stuff.

694
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: It takes you three months. You give up, You go

695
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: on and give up like five runs in an inning.

696
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: It takes you like three months to get that back

697
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: down as a reliever.

698
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Speaker 2: Facts, facts, All right, let's say the Hot Corner. Evan

699
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: Drelic put out a really good article on the back

700
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: and forth between Tony Clark and Rob Manfred. It included

701
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: a pretty interesting back and forth on a potential international draft.

702
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: Of course, the salary cap talk so we'll hit a

703
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: few layers here. Manfred talked about how he's getting emails.

704
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: I'm getting email from fans complaining about the Dodgers. Sounds

705
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: windy there by the way. And Tony Clark's like, yeah,

706
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm getting emails too, people concerned about their team's not

707
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: doing anything. Not not as concerned about the Dodgers doing things.

708
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: You know, He's like, obviously, Manfred's going to point out

709
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: the teams spending. He's like, and I'm going to point

710
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Speaker 2: out the team's not spending. So I feel like they're

711
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: at a stalemate on that one. You know, that's a

712
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: story we've been talking about for a while. I think

713
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: the back and forth I want to start here on

714
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: the international draft was very interesting because there are serious

715
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: issues with the international signing system right now. Right all

716
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: these deals being done with teenagers and figuring out how

717
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: to get them over here, and the deals are done

718
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: before they actually start the season or before they start

719
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: the signing period. Okay, so guys, Manfred said, I want

720
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: to be clear about this. This is not a number

721
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 2: or economic issue with the international draft they're trying to get.

722
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 2: So he said, not a number of player or economic issue.

723
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: It's a transparency issue. Okay. So in Drelix article, he

724
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: says in July of twenty twenty two, the sides were

725
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: sixty nine million dollars apart in their proposals for an

726
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: international bonus pool. The League proposed one to ninety one mail,

727
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: the Union proposed to sixty MIIL. They disagreed on other

728
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: details as well. Tony Clark replied, oh, it's not an

729
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: economic issue. Quote, Well, then we probably should have had

730
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: them engage when we made a proposal the last time,

731
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Speaker 2: which we had never made before, because it really seemed

732
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: like it was an economic issue, along with the number

733
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Speaker 2: of other things that were associated with protecting the tequity

734
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: of each country that was going to be part of

735
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: an international draft system. So it's great to hear that

736
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: it's not an economic issue. We'll take that under invisement

737
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: when we sit down at the bargaining table and we

738
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: go back and forth on the value associated with a

739
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 2: draft versus a non draft. Okay, how do you explain

740
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: this one? Aj the league wants an international draft, the

741
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: players are coming to the table saying, cool, let's talk

742
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: this out, and then the League's like, yeah, but it's

743
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: got to be for less money. So is it about

744
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: the international draft or is it about holding down how

745
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: much these players are receiving, because that one is tough

746
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: to defend if you're the league.

747
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let crawd Sands because you lost me about

748
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: two minutes ago when you started talking about one.

749
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: How do okay, because I'll explain why.

750
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: I'm explaining why, Scott, because this is just negotiating play

751
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: and they're negotiating in the media, which they didn't want

752
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: to do, which everyone says we don't want to do.

753
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: But they're negotiating in the media because you know what happens.

754
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: The owners of the players say hey, we want an

755
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: international draft, and then the players say, okay, well we

756
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: don't want that. And then the team sizes meet and

757
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: they're like one of them goes, oh, well, we gave

758
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: away trying to want the international draft, and the players say, yeah,

759
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: but we wanted. Knowing that this is not a this

760
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: really is not become a real thing until they actually

761
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: sit down and talk about it, but it's just a

762
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: way for them to say, well, we gave up the

763
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: international draft, so the players, you know, now have to

764
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: give up free agency or players don't have to give

765
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: up thinking about, you know, whatever it is, it's all

766
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: negotiating and until they actually sit down in a room

767
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: and talk about it. I mean, it's like, oh my gosh,

768
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of like where will want Soto go? Until

769
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: one Soto signs, I don't really want to care about it.

770
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't really care about this because if it's gonna happen,

771
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. So why am I going to sit

772
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: here and stress over what they're talking about. They're just

773
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: talking nonsense because they're both negotiating in the media.

774
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: They are they are negotiating in the media. But to me,

775
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: like it's always it shouldn't come down to the economic

776
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: part of it.

777
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: It should be.

778
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: Coming down to the competition part of it. What is

779
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: going to put make our product major League Baseball? The

780
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: players be the best product that we can possibly put

781
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: out there For the fans that are lining up outside

782
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: the fence right now, they're waiting for one glimpse of

783
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: a big league player. Whether it's Paul Schemes or or

784
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: Andrew mccutchey, it doesn't matter who it is.

785
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: How can we.

786
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: Make more fans clamor about our game as sure as

787
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: heck is not being unrealistic about how much money everybody

788
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: makes or who should get. What it should be about

789
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: what makes this game better, because everybody wins when you're

790
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: when that's your focus.

791
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: Also, I mean, the fight is over like two million

792
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: bucks per team. Sure we can make a case that

793
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: that's a lot in the real world, but for billionaires

794
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: it's not. Aj My thing is, if the mission from

795
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: the league is to get an international draft, maybe you

796
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: bend a little bit more on a situation like this.

797
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: We all know that on a CBA by CBA basis,

798
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: they're going to try to, you know, keep that number

799
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: as far down as possible. Anyway, why does it have

800
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: to be a legal battle over the number?

801
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: Right?

802
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: Like everything everything is a legal battle, everything, everything, everything.

803
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: They want to make everything into a big deal, so

804
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: when they give up a little tiny thing, they're like, oh,

805
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: I'll give this big thing. We gave up, so you

806
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: have to give up. So that's kind of my point

807
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: is everything is a legal battle. Everything is a fight

808
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: in the newspaper when it doesn't have to be. Like

809
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: I think if if Tony Clark talked to his players,

810
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: I think some players would be for a world draft,

811
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: and some players wouldn't be for a world draft, right.

812
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: But I think at the same time, until you sit

813
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: down with the players and then you sit down with

814
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: the owners and then they sit down together, this is

815
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: not gonna happen because it's just not it's just not

816
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: the way it works. And I don't know. I don't

817
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: know if it's good or bad, but I don't know.

818
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: I hate when people negotiating the media because it seems

819
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: like both both sides sound like they're being whiny. To me,

820
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: it's like petty, right, Like, yeah, they're being petty. They're

821
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: just being I want to say whiny little something's but

822
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: I can't say that television.

823
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: All right, bet MGM Futures Regular season Strikeout Leader. Your

824
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: contenders are the following. Paul Skeins plus three fifty, Gret

825
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Speaker 2: Crochet plus six hundred, Derek Scougle plus seven hundred, Dylan

826
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Speaker 2: C's plus nine hundred, Blake Snell plus twelve hundred any

827
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Speaker 2: value on the board, crats twelve hundred.

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Speaker 3: I have to take Blake Snell, a guy who has

829
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Speaker 3: already piled up strikeouts. Now he is going to an

830
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Speaker 3: organization that historically, historically wants to make changes to make

831
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Speaker 3: guys pile up more strikeouts. In my opinion, Blake Snell's

832
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Speaker 3: the value on there. I'm not saying he has the

833
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Speaker 3: best chance, but he has the best chance to give.

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Speaker 1: You a lot of value at TLUS twelve hundred. I'm

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Speaker 1: locking that in the show. No, Dylan c s is it?

836
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Speaker 1: Why free agent year? This free aging year and this

837
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Speaker 1: guy makes all his starts. That's the one that stands

838
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: out right there is Blake Snell. They're gonna go to

839
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Speaker 1: a six man and maybe a seven man, maybe a

840
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Speaker 1: ten minut rotation. He's not gonna get the pitch they're

841
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Speaker 1: going to. They always hold his innings down. That's the

842
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: wordy of Blake Snell. School will coming off a cy

843
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Speaker 1: young how much will they use him this year? And

844
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Speaker 1: all the innings he through last year? You know skiings again,

845
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Speaker 1: it's management, it's about load management, how well skeens do.

846
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Speaker 1: But to me, the one that stands out is Dylan

847
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Speaker 1: C's free agent year. He's always been able to get

848
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: strike out when he needs them. I think he's the

849
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: value plus nine hundred.

850
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Speaker 2: Yep, I'm with you, Cee. He's been very durable too,

851
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: and the padres needed to make every single start and

852
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: then some they might be like, hey, you down for

853
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: thirty six starts. Anyway, I want to give you a

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Speaker 2: quick look at the one and a half mil and

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Speaker 2: guaranteed money that is being thrown around here right now

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Speaker 2: for the Poker Winter Online Championships. If you're in New York, Michigan,

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Speaker 2: go check it out at betmgm's online poker app Gambling

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Speaker 2: Problem more concern called one eight hundred gambling. All right,

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Speaker 2: ft fam, great show. We've got really really great schedules

861
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Speaker 2: lined up for the rest of the week. Yankees camp tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: Cardinals camp on Thursday. Friday, we're hitting Mets camp. You

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Speaker 2: know what to do. Please send us dms on Instagram

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Speaker 2: or wherever you are, send us dms or comments about

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Speaker 2: who you would like us to try and record quest

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Speaker 2: to speak with. Okay, there you go. There's the schedule

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Speaker 2: and then yes, we're on the road for most of

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Speaker 2: the month. We'll give you the team by team next

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Speaker 2: week later this week when everything's confirmed. But thank you

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Speaker 2: to the Pirates, their pr the staff behind the scenes

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Speaker 2: for helping us to put everything together today and be

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Speaker 2: at camp there. But Yankees, Cardinals, Mets, the rest of

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Speaker 2: the week FTFAM, we will see you on Wednesday.