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Speaker 1: Is that woo? Whoof? And Dan and Tye welcome back

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Speaker 1: ty hilden Brandt, joining me as always the one, the only,

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Speaker 1: still the incomparable Dan Rubinstein, and boy do we have

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Speaker 1: some technical woes to discuss after we stop recording this episode.

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Speaker 2: Dan, I was gonna say, if there's anything people demand

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Speaker 1: for more content here in the college football off season,

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Speaker 1: as we are about to embark on our mega Q

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Speaker 1: and a episode, Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start a GoFundMe to move you and your

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Speaker 1: Good Lord? What a mess? What a mess? All right?

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Speaker 1: Shall we just dive in.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. We have questions, we got answers.

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Speaker 1: Gngratulations, Skippy, you've got mail, You've got mail on the

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Speaker 1: solid Ruble. We reached out to the verballer hood. We

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Speaker 1: paid homage to folks out on Discord, on Twitter, on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: you name it, all the socials email well Stale Mayl.

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Speaker 1: We didn't get any stand mail, but all of those

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Speaker 1: sources were in play here as we conducted this big

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Speaker 1: search for the best questions in the college football ether

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Speaker 1: from Josh g Out on Discord. I think it is

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Speaker 1: fair to say Nick Saban was one of the most

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Speaker 1: powerful voices in college football, the type of person whose

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Speaker 1: opinions matter at least somewhat somewhat to the sports decision makers,

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Speaker 1: which active coach takes over that mantle. He says active coach.

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Speaker 1: Active coach is kind of the key key phrase there,

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Speaker 1: key noun, because Nick Saban's probably not done talking about

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Speaker 1: He's a very good talker. He's very good at articulating

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Speaker 1: a point, Nick Saban. Nick Saban rolls onto his set.

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban is going to command the attention to the people,

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Speaker 1: So in fairness, we're probably not done hearing what he

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Speaker 1: has to say. But the question here Dan Rubenstein's which

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Speaker 1: active coach takes over that?

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Speaker 2: Well, he also isn't a stakeholder anymore in the same way,

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Speaker 2: So not that I think he ever had a huge

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Speaker 2: Certainly what he says can reverberate throughout the sport and

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Speaker 2: the active coaches who can, with their platform, with their visibility,

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Speaker 1: So immediately I start thinking to guys like Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 2: of it, like whose words have the biggest effect? Reverberate

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Speaker 2: Once again, I use that word in the most pronounced

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Speaker 2: I think it's Kirk kerb Street just because of I

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Speaker 2: It is because of his visibility, but it's he calls

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Speaker 1: He hasn't gone out of his way his nose in

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Speaker 2: It's probably not in the active coaching world. The two

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Speaker 1: To say says something that's what you You also mentioned

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody else, So I think is pretty forthrights at

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Speaker 1: wants to know, with regards to the Sabin and Debor,

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Speaker 2: I think it'll happen more as the power conferences separate

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Speaker 1: into the Big Twelve with I think a very workable schedule.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot in front of Arizona this

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Speaker 1: coming season, and Brent Brennan seems to be from much

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Speaker 1: of what's been said out there, a capable hand who

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Speaker 1: may have just maxed out with San Jose State. What

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Speaker 1: do you know about him? I think you probably have

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Speaker 1: a much more informed opinion about Brent Brannan than I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, San Jose State, if I remember correctly, has fielded

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Speaker 2: good units on both sides of the ball, defense, offense.

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Speaker 2: You know, depending on the year. Twenty twenty is when

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Speaker 2: I think they go undefeated in the COVID year in

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Speaker 2: the Mountain West. I want to say that was a

445
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Speaker 2: Nick Starkle year. Transferred a couple times. Big arm Well

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Speaker 2: regarded as sort of smart, and so was at Oregon

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Speaker 2: State is a West Coast guy, you know, Jetfish from

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Speaker 2: I believe New Jersey went to Florida, and so there

449
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Speaker 2: is that. I'm not going to say there's security because

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Speaker 2: of Brent Brennan wins a ton of games at Arizona,

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Speaker 2: He's probably going to move on that's the nature of

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Speaker 2: the sport. But given that he I think it was

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Speaker 2: a ga at Arizona has experience in Tucson, went to UCLA,

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Speaker 2: San Jose State, Oregon State that there is a pretty

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Speaker 2: sizable West Coast footprint as Arizona goes to the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 2: Was a finalist with Jedfish. As we've mentioned a couple times.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a good hire. I'm curious about his

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Speaker 2: staff because that is going to be the big thing

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Speaker 2: with Tucson. It's Jedfish built a staff that had a

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Speaker 2: ton of relationships in southern California. You know you mentioned

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Speaker 2: t mac Andoa, Fafida coming from I think it was Servite,

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Speaker 2: Nannaheim And what does what does the footprint of Arizona

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Speaker 2: recruiting look like? This is a big sports school because

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Speaker 2: of the basketball history, because of some recent football success

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Speaker 2: with rich Rod, with Jetfish, like there has been interesting

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Speaker 2: There have been interesting times for Arizona football. But you're

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Speaker 2: gonna have to get out there. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: get out there. You're gonna be aggressive in the portal

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Speaker 2: like Jetfish was. It looked like they were going to

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Speaker 2: have maybe their best recruit ever, Elijah Rushing who's from

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Speaker 2: Tucson who ended up flipping to Oregon. So things were

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Speaker 2: still trending in the right direction for Arizona on the trail.

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Speaker 2: What does Brent Brennan look like as somebody efforting to

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Speaker 2: bring in as good a roster, as interesting a roster

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Speaker 2: as humanly possible? Is the effort there when he hasn't

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Speaker 2: been recruiting on this level either ever or in quite

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Speaker 2: some time, So that, to me is the fascinating thing.

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Speaker 2: But I think he's a good coach. He's won games.

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Speaker 2: I think they're like twenty six and nineteen the last

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Speaker 2: four years. Since that, you know, things jump started. I

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Speaker 2: think the roster he inherited was pretty bad. I think

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Speaker 2: they won one or two games his first couple of seasons,

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Speaker 2: but gradually built the Spartans up to an interesting place contender.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's good. But I think he's

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Speaker 2: going to need some killers on that staff.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to discord someone by the name of Agitated Cauliflower.

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Speaker 1: I think great bidding that he or she would ask

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Speaker 1: this question, since Strawberry apparently died, who is the pop

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Speaker 1: Tart Bowl mascot next year or which flavor I should say?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a flavor in.

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Speaker 2: Mind A big bluebe guy tie blue blueberry?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I go cherry. I think I go raspberry.

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Speaker 1: Not much for blueberry. I'm looking at the flavors right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are a bunch of options. I was on there earlier.

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Speaker 2: I could see some more. I don't want to go

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Speaker 2: with any of the stunt flavors, you know, Apple Jacks

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Speaker 2: or ago. I don't want corporate synergy involved in my

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Speaker 2: pop tart bowl, So give me blueberry. I think I

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Speaker 2: think blueberry is pretty universally beloved. Strawberry is probably the

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Speaker 2: top of the top in terms of the flavors that

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Speaker 2: you know, people always identify nicely with strawberries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, strawberry is nick Saban and blueberry is probably I'm

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Speaker 1: not much of a blueberry guy, but I would go cherry.

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Speaker 1: I would go raspberry. Just don't go one of the

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Speaker 1: stunt flavors. I think we're in agreement there, all right,

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Speaker 1: same page. Let's go to b fits eleven oh five

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. Where does Michigan rank among national champions over

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Speaker 1: the last ten years? So just to recap, Michigan won

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Speaker 1: this year. If we count back previous ten seasons, Georgia

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Speaker 1: one in twenty two and twenty one. We had Alabama

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Speaker 1: winning in twenty twenty, twenty seventeen, twenty fifteen, we had

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Speaker 1: LSU obviously in that twenty nineteen season, Clemson one in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, twenty sixteen, in Ohio State one in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: So outside of Michigan, those are five teams different years.

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Speaker 1: Many have won multiples, five different teams. I have a

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Speaker 1: suspicion that the reason this QUI question was asked is

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Speaker 1: because the person who asked the question believes Michigan is

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Speaker 1: the worst of those. I think that's maybe one of

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Speaker 1: the only reasons you asked this question. And it's not

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Speaker 1: fair to Michigan. That is one. It's tough to compare

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Speaker 1: teams from different years from different eras. I'm not very

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Speaker 1: good at that, and so I'm going to come out

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Speaker 1: maybe this is a cop out for me. I would

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Speaker 1: be lattly honest and say I don't have an opinion

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Speaker 1: on this. I don't have an opinion on this. Where

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Speaker 1: are you at here? How do you feel?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I think Michigan's defense this year, especially with how

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Speaker 2: they performed against Washington, one of the more powerful offenses

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Speaker 2: in this sport, not just this season, but over the

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Speaker 2: past decade or something. With what the Apex with the

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Speaker 2: very top of their passing game could be, what the

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Speaker 2: best of Michael Panics and those three receivers could be.

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Speaker 2: That what Michigan's defense did against them and did all

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Speaker 2: season long. I think you can put Michigan's defense this

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Speaker 2: year up against any unit from these teams in terms

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Speaker 2: of the success they've had, the nf level talent, the cornerbacks,

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Speaker 2: the ability at the line of scrimmage. I think that

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I think that's kind of self evident

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Speaker 2: at this point that the Michigan defense this year you

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Speaker 2: just have to hold an extraordinarily high regard. I think

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Speaker 2: anytime you talk about twenty twenty three Michigan, knowing Michigan

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Speaker 2: fans are listening, you have to treat it like Keanu

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Speaker 2: Reeves sliding under the bus to diffuse the bomb at

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Speaker 2: the end of speed. You got to tread very carefully.

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Speaker 2: Tie They're a very sensitive lot.

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Speaker 1: Anything remotely true but unflattering about Michigan creates reverberations and retweets.

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Speaker 2: And what you did by fully ignoring alex Orgy's contributions.

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Speaker 1: Was thank you, thank you Michigan. As for you, I

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Speaker 1: so you do have to treade carefully, Okay, you do,

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Speaker 1: That's that's just our reality. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Where do you put them though, relative to these other teams?

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Speaker 1: Because I think your point about the defense is valid,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about it a lot going into the

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Speaker 1: championship game, right, so much of the conversation shifted to

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Speaker 1: why Washington and they're a lot of three NFL caliber

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Speaker 1: wide receivers and their NFL caliber quarterback. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: we also brought up, oh, yeah, there's a Michigan defense

559
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Speaker 1: that was sort of built to handle this exact situation

560
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Speaker 1: when they play the game against Ohio State every year

561
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Speaker 1: and lo and behold, they handled it pretty well, ended

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Speaker 1: up winning the damn game. So I look at Ohio

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Speaker 1: State in twenty fourteen, I look at some of these

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Speaker 1: other Alabama teams, obviously LSU in twenty nineteen. These are

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Speaker 1: all teams that had good quarterback and good receiver play.

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Speaker 1: And if the National Championship and really what we saw

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Speaker 1: a year from Michigan is to be believed, they would

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Speaker 1: be able to handle that, I guess the next question then,

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Speaker 1: is what does their offense look like against some of

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Speaker 1: these defenses, because it sort of goes both ways.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Look the twenty fourteen Ohio State team,

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Speaker 2: that's the first team that wins the fourteen playoff. That's

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Speaker 2: a Cardel Jones team. And so as good as he

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Speaker 2: was against what Alabama, Wisconsin, Oregon in the national championship game,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a fall off after some of these names.

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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow to in relief winning the national championship.

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Speaker 2: You know, Stetson Bennett, I thought, and I still believe,

578
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Speaker 2: was a very very strong college quarterback. So I'd have

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Speaker 2: Michigan this specific years, Michigan team of the past. What

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Speaker 2: are they're ten? Ten teams ten years?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Ten squads, Yeah, I don't know, six or seven. Not

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Speaker 2: top of the top, but because of a lack of

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Speaker 2: versatility on offense and the way that they can win.

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Speaker 2: You look at some of the receivers Bama had. You

586
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Speaker 2: look at the options that Georgia had to spread the field,

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Speaker 2: whether it was Brock Bowers, whether it was George Pickens,

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Speaker 2: any of those guys. Obviously, the LSU team on offense,

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Speaker 2: Clemson on offense had absolute stud receivers. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: Michigan is sort of right in the Mediam middle there.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't disrespect them by putting at the low end,

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Speaker 2: but I wouldn't fully say they're top of the top, considering,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Washington defense and Alabama's passing game this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. That's fair. Adam berg Over

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Speaker 1: on Twitter opens up a bit of a can of

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Speaker 1: worms here that I think is very interesting conversation. Talk

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Speaker 1: to me, warm me up, he says, So many teams

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Speaker 1: last year in the Big Ten, we're in a log jam.

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Speaker 1: Who could be the most mediocre out of those teams?

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Speaker 1: Who do you see making a push up the standings

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Speaker 1: and turning some heads this next year? And why, I

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Speaker 1: must admit I grouped this together. I grouped a couple

603
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Speaker 1: of these questions together with others that we received. But

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Speaker 1: I grouped this with other Twitter commentary from Keston and

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Speaker 1: from Mortes w both of whom bring up Nebraska. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so Keston says, last year I asked if Nebraska football

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Speaker 1: was cursed to one score losses and losing seasons forever,

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Speaker 1: and Tie assured me that nothing lasts forever. He says, well,

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Speaker 1: after another losing season five to one score losses. Are

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Speaker 1: we sure there's any hope in Lincoln Mort's I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna call him Morts. What is Nebraska's ceiling and floor

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Speaker 1: next season? If Dilan Royola starts six plus games, what's

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Speaker 1: their ceiling and floor if he mostly sits? So there's

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Speaker 1: a lot here. The Big Ten definitely had a bunch

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Speaker 1: of mediocre that we can deliberate, but I was focused

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Speaker 1: on out on Nebraska. I think Nebraska is a really

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Speaker 1: interesting case. What they have done. Take Dilan Royola and

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Speaker 1: move to the side. It was a huge flip to

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Speaker 1: get him to flip his commitment from Georgia presumably to

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Speaker 1: come and be the day one starter in link in

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Speaker 1: Nebraska from that role. But it's not just quarterback, like

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Speaker 1: they're going to have considerably more depth at running back,

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Speaker 1: at receiver, along both lines, really up and down the roster.

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Speaker 1: They have made it a concerted effort to go out

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Speaker 1: there and add some guys who can actually put up

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Speaker 1: points like caught in the shuffle of the transfer portal

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Speaker 1: and nil and recruiting and the Dilanarowa flip. They got

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Speaker 1: Jamal Banks from Wake Forest come in and catch passes.

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Speaker 1: They got Isaiah Nayer, who I love from Texas. He

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Speaker 1: was hurt, decides he's going to transfer up there. Those

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Speaker 1: are guys that are going to help. They didn't really

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Speaker 1: have any of those threats this season. They also had

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Speaker 1: no offensive line to speak of. So they're going to

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Speaker 1: be better I think across the board. And also, their

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Speaker 1: schedule is not bad. I looked at their schedule earlier.

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Speaker 1: It is tailor made for a good start. It gets

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Speaker 1: hard the final six weeks. They're at Ohio State, They're

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Speaker 1: home against Ucla at USC, home against Wisconsin at Iowa.

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Speaker 1: That'll be a tough stretch. But I think Nebraska is

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Speaker 1: better next season. To say that they're making a push

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Speaker 1: up the standings, I think by default, Adam Nebraska is

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Speaker 1: a candidate for that. So where are you at here?

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Speaker 1: If you're picking a team looking at the log jam,

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Speaker 1: the mediocre logjam, Let's say in the Big Ten twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, what what catches your eye?

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Speaker 2: I think Nebraska missed its window in the West when

647
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: it seemed like it had it before, USC, Ucla, Oregon

648
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: and Washington. If nothing else, add more depth of quality

649
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: to the Big Ten. If not adding depth of quality

650
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: near or at the top of the conference. I think

651
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: Nebraska what they miss Oregon, Michigan, Penn State this year.

652
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: It's a nice place to start, Ohio State and USC

653
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: or on the road. Iowa was on the road to

654
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: finish out the year. It's not an easy schedule, but

655
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: it starts in a pretty manageable way, right that until

656
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: I think it's like Halloween ish. They really don't play

657
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: obvious tough games. Doesn't mean they're running the table. Certainly

658
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: could be four and three or whatever when Halloween and

659
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: Ohio State roll around. But I don't know, man, I

660
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: when you see a program that's been down as long

661
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: as Nebraska's been down, I'm just not that big of

662
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: a believer in bad luck that Nebraska is a is

663
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: not necessarily a place that's going to eventually transform into

664
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: a ten win place and a more difficult conference. And

665
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: so if you're saying, will they emerge as like the

666
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: next Maryland go eight and four? Lose to teams clearly

667
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: better and more talented than them, but take care of

668
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: business otherwise because Matt rule has them playing on a

669
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: decent level, Okay, But to navigate this conference and become

670
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: a conference power, not even consistently, but every so often

671
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: I don't see a path. I don't love thrusting Dylan

672
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: Rayola into the starting job right away as a true

673
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: freshman with that those kind of expectations. I just the whole,

674
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: like one of us thing anywhere, let alone Nebraska. Right

675
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: we saw how it work with Scott Frost. It's not

676
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: necessarily because he is a local and a Husker that

677
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: it didn't work out, but there's just a certain amount

678
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: of added pressure there. I'd probably give the edge to

679
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: Wisconsin when multiple coaches seem to win at a school.

680
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: Paul Chris wins until he doesn't, Brett Bielima wins obviously,

681
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: Barry Alvarez wins. Like Wisconsin is a place that seems

682
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: to consistently build winners with different coaches, and so from

683
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: this year's morass of mediocrity and the Big Ten, Wisconsin's

684
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: the school that I think I fully believe in having

685
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: a good defense in the long term under Luke Fickle.

686
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: I believe in them recruiting smartly. I believe in him

687
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: recruiting smartly with or hiring smartly with assistants. I'm not

688
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: sure I love the TVD transfer, but I'm a believer

689
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: in Luke Fickle as an evaluator of what it takes

690
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: to build a winning culture and to win ten games.

691
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: So from that mass, I think I'm more interested in

692
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: Wisconsin steiling the Nebraska or any of the other teams

693
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: who are floating around Bowl eligibility. So Badgers of my

694
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: answer right now, and I don't have Wisconsin schedule in

695
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: front of me. I know Oregon plays in Madison and

696
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: they're going to be like a top five ish school.

697
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: So Wisconsin missus, Ohio State and Michigan this year. That's

698
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: decent starting place. And I think they yeah, they miss Ucla.

699
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: It looks like their home road splits are pretty good

700
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: because they get Penn State and Oregon at home this year,

701
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: but they do get Alabama. But this is the year

702
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: to get Alabama.

703
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: This is the year to get Alabama. None. So I'm okay.

704
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: Rutgers is an interesting answer. I'm not expecting Rutgers to

705
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: go ten and two.

706
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 2: I don't know, So they're not your answer, but they're

707
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: an interesting answer.

708
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: Howard Akron at Virginia Tech home against Washington at Nebraska,

709
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: home against Wisconsin, home against Ucla at USC home against

710
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: Minnesota at Maryland Illinois at home and close out the

711
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: year at Michigan State. They don't have to play Ohio State,

712
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: they don't have to play Michigan, they don't have to

713
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: play Penn State, they don't have to play any of

714
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: the usual suspects that have felled them rather easily in

715
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: the past, and they get a lot more Big ten

716
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: old Big ten West on this schedule, do have both

717
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: USC and UCLA. There are certainly losses on here, but

718
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: I think as home road splits go, like you're really

719
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: only going out to USC and you've got most of

720
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: the other big travel games at home.

721
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: Ah, I think it might not be about home road split,

722
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: but I think this schedule is secretly impossible. After Akron,

723
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: you have a high competence floor every week, Like I

724
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: think every week they're going to face somebody who does

725
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: something really well. Maybe not Michigan State in year one,

726
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: but I don't know. There's the possibility that they go

727
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: three and nine against the schedule.

728
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: Back to discord sidelines, PSCU. Here we go. This one

729
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: generated some conversation, okay, which happens first the reduction of

730
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: minor bowl games or conference championship games with the introduction

731
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: and extension of the playoff field. So I think what

732
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: the question is asking here is are we going to

733
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: see some of these smaller bowl games go the way

734
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: that I swar Or are we going to see conference

735
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: championship games basically become an extension of the playoffs maybe

736
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: officially at some point in the near future, which happens

737
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: first we get rid of the bowl games, or were

738
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: going to see some sort of expansion in the playoff

739
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: field with conference championship games being part of it.

740
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: Like you like, are we going to go to a

741
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: sixteen team playoff it's somehow incorporating the conference championship games?

742
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: I mean it already is that just not in name?

743
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: As we go into a twelve team playoff, it's going

744
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: to have major seating and birth implications. So yeah, I

745
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: don't think you're going to lose the little bowl games

746
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: unless people stop watching them. You know, as much as

747
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: people hate that, we're seeing a bunch of red shirts

748
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: and opt outs and portals and everything else with every

749
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: single bowl game, you know, the New Year six games,

750
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: we're seeing it. I don't think the empty stands matter.

751
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: If their eyeballs on TV, We're going to have them.

752
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: If it's a worthwhile thing for these cities to throw

753
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: these bowl games that people show up and spend money

754
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: at hotels and restaurants and ubers and everything. The Bowl

755
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: games will exist. It's never a great sign though, that

756
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: the sponsors are getting lower and lower, that there isn't

757
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: corporate interest in having this kind of platform to sponsor

758
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: the whatever, the Independence Bowl or the car Care minor

759
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: Key car Care Bowl. That's never a great sign. But

760
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they still do decent enough ratings that

761
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: it's better than you know. The ratings above replacement for

762
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: ESPN are still worthwhile, So I guess it's going to

763
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: be the other one, even if we're trending in the

764
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: wrong direction. I think it's going to take a lot

765
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: for us to roll back Bowl games because also the

766
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: conference championship games a ton of people watch and appreciate.

767
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's I think that's my answer.

768
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: I think I always tend to air on the side

769
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: of more money than less, and there will be more

770
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: money if they find a way to expand the playoff field.

771
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: It's more television inventory of big games, sure, and so

772
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: I always think that scenario is more likely. Like you said,

773
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: it's sort of there already. I also feel like we

774
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: talk about the reduction of minor bowl games, as he

775
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: puts it, every freaking year. Every year there's a conversation about, well,

776
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: it's forty eight bowl games, and people keep watching, people

777
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: keep watching, we keep doing our bullpool. We have stuff

778
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: to talk about and it it, I think, is a

779
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: cool thing for programs going to the Myrtle Beach Bowl, Like,

780
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: who cares if it's not the biggest bowl game out there?

781
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: It's football? Why are you complaining it's something to watch

782
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night? Why are we complaining about it?

783
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: There's the wildcard element of like I don't want to

784
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 2: expect with this quarterback. Maybe they're good, Like maybe there's

785
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: something intriguing about a mystery team.

786
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of people out there

787
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: who are like, well, they're too many bowl games. I'm

788
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: not one of those people. I don't see what the

789
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: harm is. Provided is enough financial support to put the

790
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: game on? Why not have it?

791
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: Do you think it's going in the right direction though?

792
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: Do you think it's like solidified as like, yeah, we

793
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: have to have forty going in the right direction. There

794
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: is again, in my eyes, there seems to be the

795
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: conversation around these games, and I still watch them. I

796
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: maybe don't watch them in the same way because the

797
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: faces are less recognizable, both on the sidelines with coaches

798
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: leaving and with players transferring. I still enjoy them. I

799
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: still like that we have the ability to watch a

800
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: little bit more football after the regular season. But I

801
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: can't help but notice that everything kind of feels a

802
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 2: lot more deflated around bowl season. No, And I don't

803
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: know if that's something that you can turn around.

804
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: There's definitely a conversation to be had about bowl season,

805
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: and it's placing all of this because while it may

806
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: not be as big a deal for again the quote

807
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: unquote minor bowl games his words, not mine.

808
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah they're minor.

809
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw a pretty big deal in near Orange

810
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: Bowl this year with half of Florida State opting out.

811
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: The bigger the bowl game, the more opt outs are,

812
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: the greater risk of opt outs. That changes Bowl season.

813
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: That I think reduces fan interest in certainly those latter

814
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: stage games of bowl season. I think there is an

815
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: expectation from fans who live, breathe, and die college football.

816
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: Now when you watch bowl season, you're going to get

817
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: see your favorite players, and that has been shattered over

818
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: the last five six years. That is what I am

819
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: concerned about. And it's not because I have any stance

820
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: against opting out. It's not because I have any stance

821
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: against transfers or any of these odd circumstances that these

822
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: guys find themselves in trying to put themselves in the

823
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: best situation moving forward. I don't fault any of them

824
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: from making a decision that's best for them, but it

825
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: definitely has taken bowl season and the bigger games in

826
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: bowl season to a much, much different place. I don't

827
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: know how you fix it. I don't know if as

828
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: part of this Charlie Baker proposal at the NCAA, where

829
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, they can bring NIL in house essentially, right.

830
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if there is some way to write

831
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 1: into these NIL agreements incentives some sort of legal ees

832
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: that binds a player to that bowl game. I don't

833
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: know if there's a way to do that or not.

834
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: Somebody out there smarter than me could tell me, but

835
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: it's I think it's going to take something like that

836
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: to hold together these rosters during bowl season. Otherwise it's

837
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: going to be the same conversation year in and you're out.

838
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm sort of and I haven't even

839
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: talked about this in a long time, but you know

840
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 2: how I feel about the twelve team playoff, and I'm

841
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: just sort of down on where college football's postseason is

842
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: heading anyway that I just love the regular season, and

843
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: I think that's what's special about the sport. But if

844
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 2: major players, major coaches agree that bowl games, even very

845
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: big bowl games, have never mattered less. And I understand

846
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: the disappointment from Florida State players not making the National Championship,

847
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: obviously having an injured starting quarterback, like there are circumstances,

848
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: there is important context here. But if year over year

849
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: over year, the calendar is such that players and coaches

850
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: feel obligated to not play in bowl games big, medium, small,

851
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a message. I feel like we

852
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 2: are entering into a place where we all collectively need

853
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: to rethink, you know, what this sport is, what this

854
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: sport is, and what's best for the sport next year?

855
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: The sport's is still going to be happening on January seventeenth. Right,

856
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: National Championship is January twentieth. It's a wonky ass playoff schedule.

857
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: Round one is December twentieth and the twenty first. The

858
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: quarters are a week and a half later December thirty first,

859
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: and there's one game, the Fiesta Bowl this coming year

860
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: is on New Year's Eve, and then the rest are

861
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: on January first, the semis again about ten days later

862
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: a week later January ninth and tenth, and then the

863
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: championship is ten days after that on January twentieth. So yeah,

864
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: right now we're recording this on January seventeenth. Next year,

865
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: at this time, we're probably recording our championship preview. The

866
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: season does get elongated in a way that you know,

867
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: we haven't seen. It basically extends an extra two weeks.

868
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: I think about this question a lot, and there's nobody

869
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: really to actually ask this question too. But it seems

870
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: in my experience that if fans are emphatic, and players

871
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: and coaches through their actions are clear, but especially fans

872
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: are emphatic, that the main thing with college football is

873
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: looking forward to and beating your rival. With players and

874
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: coaches you're familiar with, what is college football actively doing

875
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: to lean into that? And the more things point to

876
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 2: a January schedule and having a portal time and having

877
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: coaches leave and having opt outs and adding games and

878
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: taking away from the regular season. It seems like we're

879
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: getting away from that thing, at least to fans. As

880
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: for the schedule itself, I think Dan is totally correct.

881
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: I think it's more getting away from the main thing.

882
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: I think competing with the NFL, and then also what

883
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: the NBA is in full swing in January and HL like,

884
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: there's a lot that seems to be happening this time

885
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: of year in sports that I don't know. I think

886
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: somebody needs to sort of erase the whiteboard and start

887
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: over with how we think about this time of year.

888
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: As for long thinking, because I think in the short term,

889
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: I think the twelve team playoff is going to be

890
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: really intriguing.

891
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: I just don't think it has legs. Let's go to

892
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: Alex Alex Lackey on Twitter. Why does the measurement of

893
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: success in Power five football have such a discrepancy? Ole

894
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: Miss is celebrating an eleven and two season Ohio State

895
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: seemingly once a coaching change for the exact same record.

896
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: We've gotten this question a lot, and I think the

897
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: answer is kind of obvious. The Ohio State program and

898
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: ole Miss programs are not exactly starting from the same spot.

899
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot more recent success with Ohio State. That's

900
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: the first thing. Secondly, Ohio State has found itself the

901
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: last three seasons now in the unenviable situation of losing

902
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: to its biggest rival. It's the biggest rivalry in the sport.

903
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: You lose that game, you are judged by that game.

904
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: Not to say the egg Bowl isn't big. We love

905
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: the egg Bowl. The egg Bowl is not the game.

906
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: It is to a lot of people, tie it is

907
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: to a lot of people.

908
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: To a lot of people it is. But on the

909
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: national stage, the lens that we view the sport through,

910
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: losing three consecutive years to Jim Harborough on Michigan is

911
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: the kind of thing if rivalries still do drive the

912
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: sport that drives fan base is crazy, and certainly, not

913
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: having won a championship after it felt like they were

914
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: going to be in it every single year since twenty

915
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: fourteen has been a minute. Ohio State people have been

916
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: stewing over that for a while. Ole miss I don't

917
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: think necessarily holds itself to that same standard. I think

918
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: they'd like to get there, but I think there's been

919
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: recognition that this is not exactly a program starting from

920
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: the same spot as Alabama as Georgia, right, I mean

921
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: they're still trying to build this juggernaut. Ohio State's been there.

922
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: I think it's all you know, two four to seven's fault, right.

923
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: If you recruit on a top five level consistently, you

924
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: should have top five results. That's the line of think anyway.

925
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: If you're a place like Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, whoever,

926
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: that if you have the resources to hire and keep

927
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: a great coach and a great staff, and you're able

928
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: to bring in supposed talent and elite talent at a

929
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 2: clip that's far more robust than everybody else in the country,

930
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: then if you're deeper, if you're faster, if you're bigger,

931
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: if you're stronger, if you are more advantage than everybody

932
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: you play, then you should be winning eleven games at

933
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: least every year, and anything less as a disappointment because

934
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: you're putting everything into winning eleven games a year. Your

935
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: expectation exists because you are setting that expectation by your

936
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: on field results and your off field results. I also,

937
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: I think college football fans are super savvy, and I

938
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: think nobody forgets a single thing in this sport, and

939
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: so everybody knows that the difference between eight and four

940
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: and eleven and one isn't being blown out three times.

941
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: Everybody knows that the difference between very different outlooks on

942
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: a season is somebody throwing a shoe at an inopportune time,

943
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: somebody pretending to peel like a dog at an inopportune time.

944
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 2: Somebody forgetting to throw a block while Marcus Mariota is

945
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: streaking down the sideline against Stanford at an inopportune time.

946
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: You know, all those little moments. Somebody joinking a field

947
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: goal at an inopportune time, somebody getting called for a

948
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: phantom holding call or a phantom targeting call and going

949
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: from being up three to losing by four. Those are

950
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: the differences. It's usually a matter of seconds. And so

951
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: when your team is able to overcome those things and

952
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 2: play just a little bit smarter than who you're playing,

953
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: and you pull out a thirty to twenty seven win

954
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: against a two to nine team to end this season

955
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: instead of losing that game thirty to twenty seven, you

956
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: start to expect that your team is the smarter team,

957
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 2: and so when reality hits you that your team is

958
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: not the smarter team, that your coach and your offensive

959
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: coordinator are making more boneheaded decisions than who you're playing against.

960
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: And you end up eight and four instead of eleven

961
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: and one, then expect and disappointment sets in because you

962
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: know how close, you know the razor thin difference between

963
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: going nine and three, eleven and one, twelve and oher.

964
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: And so that's why I think expectations change. And so

965
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: if you're a fan used to a team flubbing it

966
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: far too often, and you know, letting, letting wins go

967
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: by the wayside and leaving wins on the field, then

968
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: you sort of get used to it. And so when

969
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: you don't and you go eleven and one, ten and two,

970
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: like Ole Miss does this year, it's incredible. It's incredible

971
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: that you didn't lose those tight games in stupid ways,

972
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: and that's worth celebrating, and it's also worth being infuriated at.

973
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: If you're Ohio State and you'd lose that game to

974
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: Nate Stanley and Iowa demolished, or you lose that game

975
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: to Rondell Mori and Purdue, or you lose that game

976
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: three years in a row to Michigan. That's the difference

977
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: to me. It's that everybody remembers everything, and so if

978
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: you're remembering the bad, you celebrate the buy and not

979
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: being bad. And if you remember the excellent, then merely

980
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: being good is disappointing because you remember what it took

981
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: to be excellent.

982
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: Two more here, let's let's get personal.

983
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: Okay, about six one seventy six ish, depending on what

984
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: I last.

985
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: Ate Bennett out on Discord wants to know how he

986
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: convinces his wife to let him go to every single

987
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: Michigan State home game next year. He adds as a

988
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: parenthetical that he lives in Atlanta.

989
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: Do you have anything in your life that would fall

990
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: under this category that you feel like you would need

991
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: to convince solid wife Kate, Probably not to go to

992
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: every home game of a team or something, but like,

993
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 2: would you have some kind of stretch sports fandom goal

994
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: that you would have to kind of sell Kate on

995
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: going to see like Chelsea play. I don't even know

996
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: if you're a Chelsea fan or like, you know what

997
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like going to Pebble Beach to see the

998
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: US Open? Is there anything like that?

999
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: I mean, thought that came to mind was and we

1000
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm not announcing anything. We have no idea how we're

1001
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: going to handle the playoff next year, right, but you

1002
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: know there is a stretch of games there over a

1003
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: month and a half where it's historic. It's the first

1004
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: time they've ever done it, And there is a world

1005
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: in which we maybe want to go to one game

1006
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: each round. That would be a hard sell. That would

1007
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: be a tough sell through the holidays with it being

1008
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, that time of year where people are seeing

1009
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: friends and family and there's a lot going on. That's

1010
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: a tough sell, sure, And so I don't know how

1011
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: you would even go about trying to construct this argument,

1012
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: unless maybe you can make up a story about being

1013
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: part of the staff, like maybe there's a Connor Stallion's

1014
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: angle here, or at least a story here they need me,

1015
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: that they need Bennett to be there in East Lansing

1016
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: to help team achieve its goals.

1017
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: I would probably go the Royal tenenbaumb route and fake

1018
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 2: a turn mental illness, like, look, this is my last

1019
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: hurrah and this is what I want. Probably not that ethically,

1020
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: it's probably kind of gray area at best. No, I mean,

1021
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 2: you just got to be honest. Honesty is the best

1022
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 2: tactic and say Look, it's super important to me, and

1023
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: we'll figure something out that's super important to you, and

1024
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 2: we will try to create balance in the universe. I

1025
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 2: think honesty is the best tact in this situation. Otherwise,

1026
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a tough ask. That's a tough one.

1027
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: I can't pull it off. No, I don't think I

1028
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: could pull that one off either. But we're in a

1029
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: different situation. At least in our case, maybe we'd have

1030
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 2: work to use our excuse, which is a viable excuse, even.

1031
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: If it's not something that's gonna win anybody over.

1032
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 2: If you were invited to if one of your friends

1033
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: was randomly able to secure incredible tickets to L Classico

1034
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 2: in Barcelona, incredible seats, maybe in a suite something like that,

1035
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: where like it's just like a bucket list thing, but

1036
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: it were happening. If it was going to happen on

1037
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: Kate's birthday or your anniversary, do you think you could

1038
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 2: navigate that.

1039
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: I could navigate that. Yeah, I think I could navigate that.

1040
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: Is there is what would be the toughest day to navigate?

1041
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably one of the holidays.

1042
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: A World Cup final, on your like twentieth anniversary, one of.

1043
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: Those days, not even anniversary. I can navigate anniversary. I

1044
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: think it'd be okay Birthday, but Birthday Easter.

1045
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1046
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: Final question here from Instagram This is for you again.

1047
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: It asks as a neighbor, what are Dan's thoughts on

1048
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: Northwestern's stadium plans so expanding Ryan Field? Right?

1049
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're like fully demolishing it and rebuilding it.

1050
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: And I don't know the latest with it. I know

1051
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: that they were pitching it for concerts and events, but

1052
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: I think that might be rolled back a little bit.

1053
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: The people in Evanstone are either very excited for things

1054
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: to be revamped. Because you haven't been to Ryanfield, I assume,

1055
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: I mean you've been like outside of it.

1056
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was outside it with you when we ate pizza,

1057
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: had coffee or tea, whatever we did, and when we

1058
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: shot the video last year.

1059
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: It's it's the ultimate ephis in the big ten of

1060
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: an atmosphere. It's the ultimate like I think Northwestern went

1061
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: five and one at Kyle Kyle feel at Ryan Field

1062
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: this past year because there's no atmosphere. You are preparing

1063
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: for some for a knuckling atmosphere and so it is

1064
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: a bummer. It is depressing I don't know if Northwestern

1065
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: is a place that's ever going to be able to

1066
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: attract its student body to go crazy and attract, you

1067
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: know people. Chicago's obviously a very pro sports town, so

1068
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's ever going to be a

1069
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: place that like people are in a frenzy over as

1070
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: much as we like to enjoy enjoying about purple running

1071
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: into the streets. Because Northwestern beat Minnesota or whatever, it

1072
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: looks like it's gonna be nicer. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: seems like that area of Evanston, it's the nicer area

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Speaker 2: of Evanston. But it can always, you know, any place

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Speaker 2: could always use better restaurants and better things to do.

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Speaker 2: And I think they're revamping a bunch of that area,

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Speaker 2: So I'm good with it if it has any more

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Speaker 2: character than Northwestern currently has, which is none.

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Speaker 1: All Right there, you go appreciate everybody's questions. Beat a

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Speaker 1: bunch that we couldn't get to.

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Speaker 2: But we can record more for Patreon if that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to record now morph Patreon?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I would love to.

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Speaker 1: All right, for that guy over there, my good friend

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein for myself tie hilt a brand. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you hit subscribe, make sure you hit follow. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: slip it over to Patreon. Will include this as some

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Speaker 1: bonus content that you can find out at for bowlers

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Speaker 1: dot com. In the meantime, I'm as always. You know,

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Speaker 1: the drill folks, stay solid.

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Speaker 2: Peace, m mhm