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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Well everyone, whether you call it Gratitude Day, Thanksgiving, or

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Speaker 3: somewhere in between, this is a special time for us

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Speaker 3: because we would not exist without our NLP fan So

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Speaker 3: it's so important to us that we welcomed you to

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Speaker 3: our table. You're gonna hear from voices, our supporters, our fans,

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Speaker 3: and our family talking about the importance of this show,

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Speaker 3: this platform as we continue to go into the unknown.

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Speaker 3: But welcome home, y'all, and we're so happy to be

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Speaker 3: sharing this moment with you.

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, love the podcast, and I've been a fan

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Speaker 4: of all of your work individually for a while. I

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Speaker 4: wanted to talk about the rainbow coalition conversation you guys

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Speaker 4: had on today's episode. As someone who's mixed with a

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Speaker 4: black mother from York, New Jersey an immigrant father from Guatemala,

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Speaker 4: I personally feel like the rainbow coalition, or the idea

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Speaker 4: of a rainbow coalition is not happening, least in practice

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Speaker 4: or in my lived experience. As someone who's been in

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Speaker 4: community with black folks and Latinos, I don't see the

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Speaker 4: I don't see the teamwork in that or I don't

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Speaker 4: see it happening the way I wish it was happening.

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Speaker 4: And so I guess my question is do you think

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Speaker 4: during this time and during these next four years, the

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Speaker 4: black community should turn inwards and focus more on black

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Speaker 4: folks and not necessarily leave everyone else behind? Because we

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Speaker 4: know that when black folks win, actually everyone wins. But

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Speaker 4: what do you think should be happening, because I think

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Speaker 4: we're seeing that, you know, other people of color don't

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Speaker 4: have black people's backs the way we wish they would.

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Speaker 5: Reading's Native Land Podcast. My name is Keith, I'm from DC.

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Speaker 5: How you doing, Tiffany?

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Angela?

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Speaker 3: How you doing?

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Speaker 6: Andrew?

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to make a firm comment that Tiffany

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Speaker 5: made on our last session about Trump getting half the country,

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Speaker 5: and she was correct when it's saying.

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Speaker 7: That he didn't necessarily get to have Trump prossimately got

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Speaker 7: approximately got thirty two percent of the voting population, Kamala

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Speaker 7: Harris got thirty percent of the voting population, Approximately thirty

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Speaker 7: point four percent of the voting population, and thirty seven

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Speaker 7: percent of the voting population decided to stay Homeles sit

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Speaker 7: on the couch. If the Caulcu was on the ballot,

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Speaker 7: it would have gotten the popular vote and it would

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Speaker 7: have won every electorial vote in the Union with ninety

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Speaker 7: million votes, which is a fourteen million margin separation. And

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Speaker 7: if you provide that by the fifty states, you get

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Speaker 7: a two hundred and eighty thousand margin on average for

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Speaker 7: each state, and it could be higher depending on how

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Speaker 7: they were voting. Again, that is my two cents. I

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Speaker 7: appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: Yos.

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Speaker 6: Keep it going.

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Speaker 5: We look forward to your shop.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 9: Hey Native Lampard. My name is Rica. I am from Seattle.

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Speaker 9: Hey Angela. So I believe that we lost this election

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Speaker 9: on education. And when you're not educated about how this

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Speaker 9: country is run and civics, you will vote vote against

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Speaker 9: your best interests.

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Speaker 3: So here's what I propose.

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Speaker 9: Trump is going to elect fifteen people to his cabinet,

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Speaker 9: maybe sixteen with Elon Musk, and then there's the president

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Speaker 9: and vice president. What does the attorney general do? What

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Speaker 9: does the vice president do? What does the Secretary of

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Speaker 9: be doing?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 9: So that's what like fifteen, eighteen twenty people that we

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Speaker 9: should be watching. What if we divvied up gave homework

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Speaker 9: to fifteen twenty people in the Native Lampod universe. So,

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Speaker 9: for example, say Matt Gates, say he's appointed, Say I

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Speaker 9: Rica am assigned to follow all things Matt Gates and

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Speaker 9: what he is doing as the Attorney General and what

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Speaker 3: Done in the past. What if we divvied all of.

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Speaker 9: That up, somebody else had Secretary of State and so

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Speaker 9: on and so forth, and then we report it back

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Speaker 9: to the Native Lampod to let each other know what

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Speaker 9: is happening. Right, because we're all so busy, there's so

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Speaker 9: much going on, we're just trying to survive that all

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Speaker 9: of us don't have time to do all of that homework.

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Speaker 9: So what if we collectively did the homework together and

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Speaker 9: educated each other on civics in this country.

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Speaker 3: That's what I propose.

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Speaker 11: So, yeah, Hey, what's up, Native Land.

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Speaker 3: This is Craig and Brooklyn just wanted to say that I.

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Speaker 11: Just got to the part of the last show where

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Speaker 11: you guys were bringing up the question of whether or

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Speaker 11: not you should continue as a podcast, and emphatically I say,

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Speaker 11: please continue We're at a point in our country where

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Speaker 11: a lot of us are asking whether or not we

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Speaker 11: should continue. And you guys represent the hopes and the

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Speaker 11: dreams and some of the fears and anguish of what

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Speaker 11: we're dealing with right now. So we need to know

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Speaker 11: that there are people out there that are speaking for

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Speaker 11: us and that are just as concerned about this nation's

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Speaker 11: future as us. So please please please continue. I love

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Speaker 11: you guys.

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Speaker 4: Take care.

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Speaker 10: Okay, Hey that Native lampod Hi Native lampod I'm I'm

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Speaker 10: Kimberly Archie, and we are dropping in to say hello

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Speaker 10: because both of us have old friends that are part

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Speaker 10: of your organization.

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Speaker 1: So Andrew, I don't even know if you remember me.

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Speaker 10: Andrew Hi Janie from w FSU MPR. And Kimberly Archie

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Speaker 10: you know me Angela Rai and you introduced me to

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Speaker 10: Andrew and Tiftony previously. So we have things to say,

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Speaker 10: we'll send them under another cover.

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Speaker 2: But one of the.

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Speaker 10: Things is keep the show going. Yes, it is incredibly important.

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Speaker 10: Your voices are necessary exactly.

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Speaker 1: So on this day, as we remember the lies that

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Speaker 1: we learned, we want to honor the indigenous community and

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Speaker 1: the truth around what this day means for all of us.

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Speaker 1: But as we reflect on lies, we didn't think of

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Speaker 1: a better segment to highlight. And that's when we discuss

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Speaker 1: Projects twenty twenty five. Take a listen.

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Speaker 8: What is Project twenty twenty five. It is everyone here,

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Speaker 8: This is the movement. We are going to be prepared

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Speaker 8: day one January twenty twenty twenty five to hit the

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Speaker 8: ground running as conservatives to really help the next president.

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Speaker 8: Heritage got on the book on the marker as an

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Speaker 8: organization by delivering the first mandate for leadership in nineteen

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Speaker 8: eighty to President elect Reagan. This task in twenty twenty

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Speaker 8: four is too big for any one think tank. This

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Speaker 8: has to be a movement, and what we've done is

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Speaker 8: use our convening power haired Heritage to bring the entire

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Speaker 8: it's a Conservative movement thing. What we're doing is systematically

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Speaker 8: preparing to march into office and bring a new army

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Speaker 3: That was Paul Dan's from Project twenty twenty five telling

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Speaker 3: us the truth about what this really is. The one

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Speaker 3: thing I want to flag for y'all. On the outset

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Speaker 3: is Peter Navarro, who is credited with being the master

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Speaker 3: architect of Project twenty twenty five, was just sentenced to

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Speaker 3: the insurrection. And alas here we are with the insurrectionist Blueprint,

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Speaker 3: also known as twenty Project twenty twenty five. All nine

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Speaker 3: hundred plus pages of it have been shared with you,

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Speaker 3: Tiff and Andrew. I did not go through every single page,

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Speaker 3: but I went through enough. And here's the thing that

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Speaker 3: and even the Department of Education caught some strays with

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Speaker 3: Do you notice the trend?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 1: Can?

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Speaker 12: I is this crazy?

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Speaker 1: I just can? I just I want to discoverer. A

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Speaker 1: little bit of background for the viewers. So this is

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Speaker 1: the birth child of the Heritage Foundation. The Heritage Foundation

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Speaker 1: President Nixon, so that should tell you something. But they

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Speaker 1: The Project twenty five. A lot of organizations, a lot

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Speaker 1: linked in this whole cesspool of policies to dark money,

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Speaker 1: including Leonard Leo, who was very influential in shaping the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court of the United States under Donald Trump, very

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Speaker 1: And so Andrew makes this point. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: Angela go through all of it. I have more questions

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Speaker 1: and Andrew.

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Speaker 2: Agree to if the dangers here can't be underscore. So

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Speaker 2: all of us know the name Koch Brothers. We say

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Speaker 2: potentially presidents of the United States, and then they challenge

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Speaker 2: our power. So what do we do. We go and

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Speaker 2: delegitimize their institutions so that they can't continue to produce

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Speaker 2: the folks who are going to threaten our power. The

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Speaker 2: right is the right is they're no more brilliant than

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Speaker 2: we are. We did this first, they learned from us,

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Speaker 2: and then we fell off the bus because our needs,

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Speaker 2: as basically as they may be, became more divergent with

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Speaker 2: the diversity of people in our coalition and the needs

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Speaker 2: that each of us have had. And so we've got

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Speaker 2: to get back to the basic, y'all. And even if

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Speaker 2: we were dealing with your point here, Angela, which is

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Speaker 2: just amongst black folks, how do we do this? My

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Speaker 2: suggestion would be one we need to get a political

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Speaker 2: operation in order that trains the candidates we want to

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Speaker 2: see then can get those folks successfully elected. Right, So

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Speaker 2: there's a whole political arm to this thing.

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Speaker 3: We have that we don't support it a lot. Yes

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Speaker 3: we do. We have the CBC Institute, let me collective

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Speaker 3: back doing that. We have the Joint Center, which almost

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Speaker 3: went completely under because we don't support the things that

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Speaker 3: we have.

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Speaker 2: This is what I'm talking about, Angela. That that that

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Speaker 2: is the point to be had here, which is from

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Speaker 2: a resource standpoint, the left has.

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Speaker 3: Money're not talking about the left.

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Speaker 2: You got money plenty every but but this is why

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Speaker 2: it's but but, but the left doesn't exist without the blacks.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the left doesn't exists at all and could

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Speaker 2: never exist without us. And so if you are interested

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Speaker 2: in advancing the less agenda, then your interests must coincide

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Speaker 2: with building an electoral operation that, by the way, doesn't

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Speaker 2: just train, doesn't just elect, but has a hammer at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, which means if you don't

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Speaker 2: do what you committed to doing, if you get in

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Speaker 2: there and then you get sold out to the power

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Speaker 2: interests that you were elected to dismantle, we're taking you out,

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Speaker 2: all right, We're taking you So our enforcement mechanism has

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Speaker 2: to exist on a level that's bigger than the fact

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Speaker 2: that we share the same skin tone. That, ain't it.

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Speaker 2: We can be that, right. You just gave examples of

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Speaker 2: the Hampton woman who used to be you know, over heritage.

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Speaker 2: They got them everywhere. I would venture to argue that

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Speaker 2: the people who are being appointed to the board of

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Speaker 2: trustees at Tennessee State University, who all may look like us,

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Speaker 2: have a different interest in mind. They didn't get a

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Speaker 2: pointer on the same that they that the others got

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Speaker 2: booted out for no reason. All right, So we got

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Speaker 2: to be suspicious about those intentions. But we have the

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Speaker 2: power to build those same structures on our side and

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Speaker 2: maintain them on our side. We just have to decide

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Speaker 2: that that's what we're in the interest of doing. And instead,

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Speaker 2: I think we all get freaked out by election cycle

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Speaker 2: to election cycle, we have this big old threat of

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Speaker 2: democracy diminishing over our heads, and we compromise our way

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Speaker 2: out of what we want and sake of what we know,

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Speaker 2: and sake of what we have available at this current time.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to say I agree with everything

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Speaker 1: you said, Andrew, and I just think it's tragic that

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Speaker 1: you are not on Every campaign ought to be calling you,

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Speaker 1: Every consultant group ought to be calling you, because this

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Speaker 1: is the work that you've done, and you just informed me.

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Speaker 1: I mean mine was much more anecdotal, and then they

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Speaker 1: get all their shit from us. The way that black

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Speaker 1: folks have organized in this country has cast a wide

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Speaker 1: net of influence across the globe. So even their language

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Speaker 1: comes from us. They didn't know what woke was ten

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Speaker 1: years ago. They literally cut in paste, and none of

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Speaker 1: this stuff is new. We've already had to make America

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Speaker 1: a great again. Candidate that was Ronald Reagan. That was

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Speaker 1: his whole slogan. We already saw all these policies come

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Speaker 1: out of the Nixon error, and that's why I think

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Speaker 1: it's so important to say they were aided by white

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Speaker 1: women because Phyllis Slapley let a whole army of folks

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Speaker 1: trying and even physical conservative movements Angela are rooted in racism.

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Speaker 1: So I think we all agree the same, but I

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Speaker 1: think we all have different approaches. I think this could

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Speaker 1: be a mini pod personally, but I think we all

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Speaker 1: have different approaches. It needs to be come to how

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Speaker 1: to get there. But I know we got to move

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Speaker 1: on and to have a question for you because so, okay,

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Speaker 1: we see this policy that the Heritage Foundation is putting

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Speaker 1: out Project twenty twenty five. Let's say, worst case scenario,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is elected and the Republicans have one of

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Speaker 1: the chambers of Congress the Upper Chamber and the Senator

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Speaker 1: or lower Chamber in the House. How likely is it

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Speaker 1: that this policy will start to take shape? How likely

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Speaker 1: will they be able to reimagine the executive branch of

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Speaker 1: government because they can't do much without congressional approval.

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Speaker 3: Well, first and foremo host Project twenty twenty five is

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Speaker 3: already well underway, Like, this isn't something that they're waiting

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Speaker 3: for Donald Trump to be elected for. The point where

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Speaker 3: they would have to wait for his election is around

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Speaker 3: who gets into these schedule f jobs, federal government jobs

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Speaker 3: that aren't appointed. The part that they would need to

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Speaker 3: wait for, who is appointed as those cabinet secretaries, other

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Speaker 3: federal appointments that are not Senate confirmed. If they have

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Speaker 3: you said, he has a chamber, if he has the Senate,

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Speaker 3: he can confirm his full slate of judges, his full

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Speaker 3: slate of everybody that is senior enough in the administration

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Speaker 3: that needs a Senate confirmed appointment. So there's a lot

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Speaker 3: that they can do. He can do a lot with

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Speaker 3: the executive order. If Donald Trump is elected again, he

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Speaker 3: will dare the Supreme Court to challenge anything that he

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Speaker 3: tries to get through via executive order. And I think

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Speaker 3: it will be including things that should be reserved for legislation.

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Speaker 3: So I yeah, like at this point, go ahead, I.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, Angela, and I would just say this, Remember we

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Speaker 2: used to we would we heckled Mitt Romney about the

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Speaker 2: Binders School of Women. That way they're talking about candidate's heaps.

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Speaker 2: This is the binder full of conservatives. What they are

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Speaker 2: building are the resumes of individuals that they want to

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Speaker 2: go in. And Angela talked about the appointment level. But

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Speaker 2: but what makes this even more dangerous is that they're

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Speaker 2: talking about this at the careers. They're saying, we want

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Speaker 2: you in the fuck the appointments. Excuse me, lord, please

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Speaker 2: forgive me, y'all, forget the appointments. This is about We're

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Speaker 2: going to go into these departments and staff up with

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Speaker 2: conservatives who will effectuate our agenda regardless of who the

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Speaker 2: president is. And if the president is the president of

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Speaker 2: our choosing at this time, then you act in their interest.

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Speaker 2: If they're not, then you act in our interests, and

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Speaker 2: you be a stop gap to whatever progressives may want

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Speaker 2: to do, because now you're part of the wheel that

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Speaker 2: keeps this machine running and that we have to all

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Speaker 2: be tearing refied.

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Speaker 3: I want to just this, This is my last thing

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Speaker 3: on this. I just want to point out to Tip's

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Speaker 3: point on page four of the nine hundred page document,

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Speaker 3: in the foreword the it says, today the American family

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Speaker 3: is in crisis. Forty percent of OD children are born

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Speaker 3: to unmarried mothers, including more than seventy percent of black children.

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Speaker 3: They go on to talk about pornography must be outlawed

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Speaker 3: illicit drug. Their product is as addictive as idyollicit drug

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Speaker 3: and as psychologically destructive as any crime. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: I just think.

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Speaker 2: That the trip on this pornography. When the Republican Convention

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Speaker 2: was held in Florida down to Tampa a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago, the hotel, the highest search rates they had

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Speaker 2: were to porn sites, and the and the strip of

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Speaker 2: houses sol record profits over the super poor.

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Speaker 3: I am not confused about the hypocrisy. All I'm saying

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Speaker 3: is if they can slide that twenty two million this way,

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Speaker 3: we watch out because we've always been able to do

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Speaker 3: a lot with a little, and I'm just saying we

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Speaker 3: ain't got the same resources, but what can.

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Speaker 2: I My challenge is to the progressive white donors who

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Speaker 2: want to be in alignement, stand up some money and

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Speaker 2: allow us to build the institutions that protect us and

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Speaker 2: move our issues more progressively forward.

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Speaker 3: If they're not afraid of DEI challenge it.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say the most important thing that

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Speaker 1: Angela said that I hope everybody takes note of Project

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five is already underway. The Civil War didn't

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Speaker 1: start with the first gun fire between the Union and

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Speaker 1: the Confederacy. Battles don't start with the first knuckles thrown

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Speaker 1: like the battle is already happening. We are already in

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Speaker 1: the thick of it. So if we're all sitting around

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Speaker 1: waiting for the big bad Boogeyman, the big bad boogey

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Speaker 1: Man is here.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say, for the record, y'all don't

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Speaker 3: even want to talk about this. Y'all thought you were

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Speaker 3: gonna have nothing. I knew you was lying. Anyway, we

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Speaker 3: got a lot, You got a lot, We got warmer

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Speaker 3: commercial break, but we will be back.

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Speaker 2: So we talked about it before presidential immunity and the

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Speaker 2: wake of the Supreme Court decision, and now under a

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Speaker 2: Trump administration, we may have to really deal with it.

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Speaker 2: This next segment that we'll revisit is on the fallout

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Speaker 2: from the Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity.

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Speaker 13: Hello Andrew, Hello Tiffany, and Hello Angela. My name is

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Speaker 13: Jason Bowman. I am from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Love Native Land Podcast,

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Speaker 13: and I'm hoping that you guys can answer my question

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Speaker 13: because I'm sure, like most Americans, we are confused over

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Speaker 13: the Supreme Court ruling in regards to the January sixth insurrection.

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Speaker 13: So here goes. So I'm confused because I would love

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Speaker 13: to know what exactly does the Supreme Court mean? Do

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Speaker 13: they mean that Donald Trump has the immunity over his

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Speaker 13: behavior that basically excited a riot to happen on January sixth?

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Speaker 13: Does this mean that he was on official president duty

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Speaker 13: while sitting in laying duck status. Does this mean that

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Speaker 13: he's immune from all charges? What exactly does this mean?

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Speaker 13: And from my understanding, I assume that when the president

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Speaker 13: was taking office that they were under oath to protect

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Speaker 13: the constitution. Everything that he did on January sixth did

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Speaker 13: not protect the constitution. So I'm just confused. What message

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Speaker 13: does this send to future presidents of this nation?

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Speaker 3: Apparently the Supreme Court is still boning so and apparently

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Speaker 3: just this Clarence Thomas is still dropping it like it's

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Speaker 3: hot and the bar couldn't be lower. So we have

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court which talked about Donald Trump having immunity.

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Speaker 3: We have absolute immunity, which was on the table, and

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Speaker 3: presumptive immunity, which was on the table before this particular ruling.

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Speaker 3: This Court it's John Roberts. Justice Roberts starts this decision

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Speaker 3: saying that they've never had to consider criminal immunity for

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Speaker 3: a president before, and that's what was at stake in

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Speaker 3: this particular case. The most critical line in the opinion

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Speaker 3: is this, this case is the first criminal prosecution in

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Speaker 3: our nation's history of a former president for actions taken

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Speaker 3: during his presidency. Now, you would think with the line

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Speaker 3: like that that they are going to side with morality,

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Speaker 3: that they are going to side with a president having

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Speaker 3: to be above reproach, kind of like a bishop in

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Speaker 3: the Bible. Right, That's not what happens here. They instead

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Speaker 3: say that there is no immunity for unofficial acts. Great, right,

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Speaker 3: you meet us where we are. There's no immunity for

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Speaker 3: our official, unfutual acts, but that there is absolute immunity

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Speaker 3: from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive

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Speaker 3: constitutional authority. We'll talk about that. And he is entitled

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Speaker 3: to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his

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Speaker 3: official acts. That's a lot of word salad, but here's

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Speaker 3: the bottom line. Donald Trump, if he takes any number

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Speaker 3: of actions, is not going to be criminally prosecuted. Should

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Speaker 3: not be as the office of the president. And many

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Speaker 3: of you have asked, well, this applies to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: How's how does it apply to Joe Biden. I just

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Speaker 3: want to give you this one, this one observation Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden was being uh, they were considering trying Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: for a violation of how of handling classified documents that

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Speaker 3: particular case. In that particular case, Special Prosecutor Richard Hurst

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Speaker 3: says he's too old to be to be to be

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Speaker 3: tried on this matter. There should be no criminal liability. Well, now,

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Speaker 3: under this case doctrine, he couldn't be because he's the president,

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Speaker 3: and while it was while he was officially in office.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I could argue because he was a vice president

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Speaker 3: at the time, right that he didn't do anything that

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Speaker 3: he could actually be liable. It is interesting to see

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Speaker 3: how this philosophy will will come to pass with other

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Speaker 3: officials in a president's cabinet. But the thing that's most

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Speaker 3: interesting to me at this point, y'all, and we can

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Speaker 3: get it more into the weasis, but I want us

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Speaker 3: to have a conversation, not just a lecture, but the

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Speaker 3: thing that I think is interesting about this particular case

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Speaker 3: as well is Donald Trump, And this is what we've

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Speaker 3: been talking about on this podcast, kind of litigating on

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Speaker 3: this podcast. Is Donald Trump using this immunity to say,

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Speaker 3: therefore I should not be convicted or sentenced on these

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Speaker 3: other counts. As we know, there are eighty eight indictments

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Speaker 3: against Donald against Donald Trump, eighty eight counts, thirty four

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Speaker 3: he was found guilty of in a New York court.

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Speaker 3: He used this case for me yesterday, this holding in

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Speaker 3: this case, and said I should not be criminal prosecuted.

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Speaker 3: I should have never been convicted and I certainly shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be sentenced in this New York case because this should

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Speaker 3: apply even in state. In state matters well. The verdict

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Speaker 3: and the sentencing is now postponed by two weeks. We

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Speaker 3: are supposed to get levin Lucky on seven eleven, not anymore.

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Speaker 3: And now he's saying that this should apply. Here's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump was not a sitting president when this happened.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump was running for office. That is not an

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Speaker 3: official act. So I'm interested to see what this judge does.

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Speaker 3: It makes me nervous that he's postponed this, but I

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Speaker 3: want y'all weigh in because it's a lot of things

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Speaker 3: and I want and I want to get into some

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Speaker 3: of the what IF's and ask y'all my pole questions

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Speaker 3: because you know, y'all, y'all know we are poland firm.

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Speaker 2: Now, well one, thank you for helping to break that

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Speaker 2: down for US Angela. And on the last point, with

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Speaker 2: regard to the New York case, he did sign a

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Speaker 2: number of the checks while in the White House, and

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Speaker 2: apparently in the in the trial there uh there was

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Speaker 2: evidence allowed to be view by the jury of public statements,

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Speaker 2: public tweets that were administered by the President from the

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Speaker 2: White House. And it is now their contention that because

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Speaker 2: that now protected and privileged information was allowed to be

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Speaker 2: shown to the jury, and some might say, possibly reasonably

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Speaker 2: calculated in their in their verdict, that the entire verdict,

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Speaker 2: all thirty four counts ought to be vacated. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the first chilling effect that occurred yesterday was the US

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice in New York was supposed to submit

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Speaker 2: their recommendations to the judge privately to the judge around

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Speaker 2: around what he should be facing Visavis sentencing. They did

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Speaker 2: not submit that document to the judges.

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Speaker 3: New York State's attorneys.

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Speaker 2: No, well, the United States Department of Justice District was

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Speaker 2: supposed to submit recommendations. I'm sorry, you're right, I apologize.

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Speaker 2: Angela's Alvin Braggs and they did not submit those recommendations

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Speaker 2: to the judge yesterday when they were due. Then, as

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Speaker 2: a result, the Alvin Bragg's office that we would be

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Speaker 2: in favor of delaying the sentencing by two weeks. And

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Speaker 2: the judge, of course has has complied. But Angela, one

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Speaker 2: of the shocking decision in the sense that not only

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Speaker 2: get bake. It is because it is one thing to

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Speaker 2: give Donald Trump what he asked for. They went way

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Speaker 2: above and beyond the simple parameters of what of what

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump asked for. In fact, in one of the

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Speaker 2: extreme ways, while they said of president, a former president

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Speaker 2: can be prosecuted for actions he's taken that are of

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Speaker 2: a personal nature. It precludes being shown as submitted as

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Speaker 2: evidence any discussions conversations planning his method he's thinking of

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Speaker 2: those actions taken while he was president. They preclude a

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Speaker 2: jury from being able to have access to any of

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Speaker 2: that information for fear that it may chill the bold

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Speaker 2: actions of a president from doing, saying and acting as

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Speaker 2: a bold president.

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Speaker 14: Should.

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Speaker 2: It confused me because There was never, ever, ever an

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Speaker 2: argument that presidents are not bold and haven't been bold

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Speaker 2: prior to Donald Trump because of fear of prosecution. That's

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Speaker 2: never I've never heard that before. In fact, we've seen

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Speaker 2: very activists and strong demonstrations of individuals in the presidency.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the court said that the reason why we

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Speaker 2: have to go so far to protect this president and

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Speaker 2: give him immunity so that this decision, which is for

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Speaker 2: the ages, doesn't cause us to have presidents who are

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Speaker 2: trepidacious about making the kinds of decisions that they must

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Speaker 2: make while in office. But that assumption, that statement by

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Speaker 2: the Chief Justice assumes that presidents prior to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: but we're under the suspension that they could never be prosecuted,

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Speaker 2: and that can't be right. Let's just look at the

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Speaker 2: case of Lyndon B. Johnson and Ford. Why would Ford

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Speaker 2: have pardoned I'm sorry, why would Ford have parted Nixon

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Speaker 2: if I didn't yes too, but not but but but

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Speaker 2: why would he have issued a pardon to Nixon if

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Speaker 2: there was not a reasonable fear that a president could

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Speaker 2: be prosecuted for actions that they took in office?

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Speaker 3: Of course, and I think when I was even pushing

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Speaker 3: back in, Tip, I love for you to weigh in here.

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Speaker 3: When I was pushing back on that it was shocking.

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Speaker 3: I think that there was a part of us that

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Speaker 3: kind of knew this was going to happen. We saw

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Speaker 3: just based on what this Supreme Court is ruling around

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Speaker 3: reproductive justice, what they've ruled around homelessness, what they ruled

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Speaker 3: in Chevron, what they ruled around assault weapons. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we ain't keep going. I don't know that we were

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Speaker 3: really shocked. And then of course January sixth itself just

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Speaker 3: last week. So I don't know that we were super

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Speaker 3: shocked because of the makeup of this court, not because

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Speaker 3: this is what this court would do. So Tip, I

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Speaker 3: want you to weigh in here, and then I have

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Speaker 3: some you know, I got some focused group questions for you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to say, like, it's so frustrating when

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Speaker 1: I have consumed some of the media around this, in

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Speaker 1: both print and broadcast, because I do think people are

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Speaker 1: so into the leeds that for people out there who wonder, like,

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Speaker 1: why do I care about this? This seems like, you know,

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Speaker 1: a thousand miles away from me, this is why you

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Speaker 1: should care. Essentially, the court there is no appeal the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court is the highest court of the land, and

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Speaker 1: they have essentially given the office of the president free

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Speaker 1: reign to do whatever they like. So Donald Trump, were

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Speaker 1: he to win another election, could have a political rival assassinated.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, were he to win reelection, could use that

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Speaker 1: office to enrich his pockets, which he did the first term.

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Speaker 1: I believe Jared and Ivanka made eighty million dollars. It's

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Speaker 1: the first year he was in office, and it continued

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Speaker 1: to grow. Let's not forget that this is a man

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Speaker 1: who had Kislak Russian operative in the oval office. What

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Speaker 1: would stop him?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: One thing that the one of the attorneys argued, who

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Speaker 1: was arguing on Donald Trump's behalf a question that he

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Speaker 1: posed which I thought was legitimate. If we're going to

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Speaker 1: allow presidents to be prosecuted, Let's say a president has

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Speaker 1: to make the call to have a foreign adversary taken out.

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Speaker 1: Could he then later be subjected to criminal charges? And

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Speaker 1: I thought, well, you know that is a legitimate question.

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Speaker 1: Now that they've essentially said you can do whatever you

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Speaker 1: want in office, that should give everyone chills, because imagine

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Speaker 1: what an unhinged, politically inept person whose first job in

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Speaker 1: government was president of the United States.

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Speaker 3: Imagine what he might do or the second term. I

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Speaker 3: want to roll Katanji Brown Jackson sends sound from when

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Speaker 3: they heard the oral arguments in April, because she raises

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Speaker 3: some of the very points in questions or you made

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Speaker 3: them statements as declarations to have she raises them as

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Speaker 3: questions to Trumps lawyer Let's wrote that sound.

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Speaker 12: I'm trying to understand what the disincentive is from turning

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Speaker 12: the Oval office into the seat of criminal activity in

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Speaker 12: this country.

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Speaker 15: I don't know if there's any allegation of that in

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Speaker 15: this case. And what George Washington said is what Benjamin

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Speaker 15: Franklin said is we viewed the prosecution of a chief

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Speaker 15: executive as something that everybody cried out against us unconstitutional.

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Speaker 15: And what George Washington said is we're worried about factional strife,

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Speaker 15: which will no.

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Speaker 12: I also let me let me let me put this

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Speaker 12: worry on the table. If the potential for criminal liability

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Speaker 12: is taken off the table, wouldn't there be a significant

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Speaker 12: risk that future presidents would be emboldened to commit crimes

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Speaker 12: with abandon while they're in office.

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Speaker 3: It's right now.

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Speaker 12: The fact that we're having this debate because oh, well,

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Speaker 12: see has said that presidents might be prosecuted. Presidents from

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Speaker 12: the beginning of time have understood that that's a possibility.

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Speaker 12: That might be what has kept this office from turning

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Speaker 12: into the kind of crime center that I'm envisioning. But

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Speaker 12: once we say no criminal liability, mister president, you can

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Speaker 12: do whatever you want. I'm worried that we would have

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Speaker 12: a worse problem than the problem of the president feeling

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Speaker 12: constrained to follow the law while he's in office.

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Speaker 3: So I wanted to I wanted to play that clip because,

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Speaker 3: as Tiff said, we are very much in the weeds

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Speaker 3: on this. It is important for me to try to

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Speaker 3: lay out how many layers and how detailed they were

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Speaker 3: and meticulous they were about showing all of the ways

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Speaker 3: that Trump is protected in this role. When we learn Civics,

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Speaker 3: and this is the danger of taking textbooks out of schools,

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Speaker 3: we learn that the legislative branch makes law us, that

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Speaker 3: the judicial branch interprets or evaluates laws, and that the

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Speaker 3: executive branch carries out the laws. What they're saying now

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Speaker 3: is that the executive branch will make the law, will

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Speaker 3: break the law, will take the law, and will do

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Speaker 3: as they see fit with the law. That's the point.

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Speaker 3: And I think when we look at those pieces, that

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Speaker 3: is very, very scary. This isn't about what Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: will do in office. This is about what anybody elected

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Speaker 3: to the highest office of the land can do. And

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Speaker 3: Justice Jackson Kazanji Brown Jackson was absolutely right. There are

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Speaker 3: people who would have never considered running for office, Tiffany

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Speaker 3: and Andrew, who now will consider it because they see

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Speaker 3: it as a way to get away with all of

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Speaker 3: the things that they never could potentially unless they're a

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Speaker 3: CEO of a big company. Some of those folks have

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Speaker 3: been running circles and running game for a long time.

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Speaker 3: I'll lie in Ron, but I think that we have

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Speaker 3: to really consider what all this means. Now you have

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Speaker 3: a court not just turning a blind guy putting pin

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Speaker 3: in the paper to say this is these are the

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Speaker 3: things you can do that even and this was the

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Speaker 3: part that was scary for me too. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if this if you all saw this, but they talked

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Speaker 3: about the outer perimeter of official responsibilities, and that outer

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Speaker 3: perimeter it still covers your actions as long as they

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Speaker 3: are not manifestly or probably beyond his authority. But they

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Speaker 3: go on to say all these things that are beyond authority.

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Speaker 3: Clarence Thomas went into talking about how, you know, even

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Speaker 3: the role of a special prosecutor should not be.

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Speaker 1: A thing that they're perimeter like when you say it,

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Speaker 1: because I mean, I'm as.

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Speaker 3: Basically like, yeah, and I don't know either, but tip

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying is they look like what it looks

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Speaker 3: like they were doing is like, here are these things

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Speaker 3: that are your official responsibilities. Here are these things that

871
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: are like kind of related to your official responsibilities. And

872
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: even if it looks like you were signing the checks

873
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: for the hush money even though you already made some

874
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Speaker 3: payments in a twenty sixteen campaign, That's what I was

875
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: gonna say earlier, Andrew. But if you signed the checks

876
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: because you were sitting in the taxpayer paid chair in

877
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: the Oval office, that is the outer perimeter of your

878
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: official responsibility, because you were signing them while engaging in

879
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: the course of other activity. They didn't use that example specifically,

880
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 3: but I can see that saying it's not manifestly or

881
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: probably beyond his authority, because if he were convicted of this,

882
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: it could be frowned upon and looked bad upon by

883
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: the you know, the rest of the world leaders, or

884
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: it could look bad for the country. So because it

885
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 3: looked bad for the country, we should allow this in

886
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: as an official activity or out of perimeter activity.

887
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Speaker 2: And Angela, I don't think they were opake about that.

888
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 2: I think they were very clear, which is, even if

889
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: it is a act that is non presidential outside of

890
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 2: your duties and responsibility, nothing, you can't get any evidence

891
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: gathered from why you were president and support of you

892
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: having broken the laws. So they've made it, they've handicapped.

893
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: They say he can be accountable, but then they handicap

894
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: his responsibility. And I just want to cite a few examples.

895
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: One the Department of Justice, which we all previously thought

896
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: was was the chief attorney on behalf of the United States.

897
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: The court was explicit. In fact, they said all charges

898
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 2: regarding his conversations and his directions given to the Attorney

899
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Speaker 2: General to take certain actions like a letter saying we

900
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: need to investigate your state and send fake electors or

901
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: send a whole another slate, which Donald Trump asked the

902
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Speaker 2: attorney the acting Internet General to do, and he refused

903
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: to do it and say he would resign the court.

904
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: The US Supreme Court said, it will be it is

905
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 2: not permissible for you to account that as a charge

906
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: against the president, because the Department of Justice is his.

907
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 2: The Department of Justice and the Attorney General reports to him,

908
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: and the President can give direction, have conversation with the

909
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: Attorney General as well about active investigations, direct who he

910
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: should investigate, direct who they can bring charges against. All

911
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: of this they have They have quote in the universal

912
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: Unitary Executive Donald Trump or whomever else may come after him.

913
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: The president can also take a bribe for pardoning somebody.

914
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: Pardon power is exclusively in the jurisdiction of the President

915
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: of the United States, which means it is a core function,

916
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: constitutional function, and anything that he does regarding pardons cannot

917
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: be questioned and he cannot be prosecuted. So if you

918
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 2: went to him to with a million dollars and say

919
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: I give you a million dollars if you give me

920
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: a pardon, that cannot be prosecuted in office, out of office,

921
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: no day of the week.

922
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 3: And that's absolute immunity too. So pardoning if he does

923
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: anything associated with partner, that's absolute immunity. Anything associated with

924
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: any member of his cabinet that he wants to remove

925
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: because he's trying to break the law absolute immunity, but

926
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 3: there's presumptive immunity for pressuring Mike Pence to reject the

927
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 3: state's electoral votes or send them back to state legislatures.

928
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: So I don't understand they're saying that because it's an

929
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: official act, but it's not associated it specifically with his

930
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: constitutional powers. That that is presumptive. It's it is it

931
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: is presumed that he would be immune from this, but

932
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: absolute for anything that is that is written in and

933
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 3: enshrined in the Constitution. So I want to ask you all,

934
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 3: based on what you've seen from this Supreme Court, if

935
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: you think they will try to expand this doctrine to

936
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: qualified immunity, where that, of course you know, has been

937
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 3: in debate and in hot contention around law enforcement and

938
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Speaker 3: police in this country. Do you think that they will

939
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 3: try to extend this doctrine to police officers who are

940
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 3: pursuing qualified immunity for shooting, killing injuring.

941
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Speaker 1: Us And just to explain to the listeners, qualified immunity

942
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: is it basically you're shielded from.

943
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: Your actions that you're taking as a law.

944
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 3: Enforcement from from, yes, from being civilly serious. So any

945
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: civil liability, and in some instances it is extended to

946
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 3: criminal liability.

947
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: Sure, sure enough, they operate, in my stay, at least

948
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 2: under the cloak of of uh immunity from prosecution through

949
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: anything that they do in the in the in the

950
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: course of their work as a law enforcement officer, civil criminal.

951
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 2: I honestly tell you, Angela, I wish I could even

952
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: get to that concern. I mean, I in so many

953
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: ways it's already been extended, if not, if not in

954
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 2: black and white, certainly in practice. Remember our friend Marilyn

955
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: Moseby one of the very first, about the first prosecutor

956
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: to take these law enforcement officers on. And that's not

957
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: because they've never done anything wrong before. It's because the

958
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: norms of society say that you can't. You know that

959
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: it is that it's beyond the pale, you can't pursue

960
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: them in that way. But this, honestly, this, this is this.

961
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: Is in writing as the law now though, So I'm wondering, kids,

962
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 3: this is now going to be extended like you cannot, right,

963
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: So That's what I'm curious about, Like, yeah, if we

964
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 3: and I know we gotta take a break, I know

965
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: we gotta take a break, But I want to know,

966
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: do we think it's going to be extended to capas,

967
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: Do we think it'll be extended to mayors and governors?

968
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: Do we think this would be extended to other people

969
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: on the federal level? But do we think that this

970
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: same U, this same letter of the law, interpretation of

971
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 3: the law, well, and really the making of a brand

972
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: new law will be extended to other folks who are

973
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 3: acting on behalf of the government in these roles. Or

974
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: is it only going to be the president?

975
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: No?

976
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: I think the Court has already proven that they know

977
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: no bounds with the egregiousness of some of these decisions

978
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: that they issue. I would say, though, specifically to your

979
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: question around qualified immunity as it relates to officers, my

980
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: understanding is that would only extend to federal officers, which

981
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: is why we always talk about the first step. Act

982
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: needs a second step and a third step. I think

983
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: in terms of shielding law enforcement officers who are not

984
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: federal police, that would have to happen at the local level,

985
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: like you know, like the state rights Yes, State Supreme Court,

986
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about Yeah. But I but I think

987
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: the question you're raising is a legitimate point. I understand

988
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: your question. I'm making a different point, and that if

989
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: that has to happen at like at the state Supreme

990
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: court level, and that is also a potential challenge because

991
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: while we pay so much attention to the Supreme Court,

992
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: before something makes it to the Supreme Court, they've gone

993
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: through the lower courts first. So it's even more I

994
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: think a reason to pay attention to those down ballot

995
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: issues that are on that that that are on the

996
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: ballot when when you're voting for something, because I can see,

997
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: particularly in the state like Florida that Andrew was talking about,

998
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: where absolutely Ron DeSantis could do something like that. You

999
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: think about red states like Alabama Governor k Ivy and

1000
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: already the abysmal decisions that she's made, especially when it

1001
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: comes around criminal justice in prisons Mississippi with Tate Reeves, like,

1002
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine where this might go.

1003
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: So yes, I think they already started rolling. Take me

1004
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: to your point. States have already in this legislative session,

1005
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: have already preempted the Court by laying down law in

1006
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: the states that are shredding doctrines around ethics, around being

1007
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: able to be prosecuted for what they do in their office.

1008
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: So this is the steing that to Angela, Now that

1009
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 2: I understand your question better, the Court said that in

1010
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: the executive branch, the executive branch is the President of

1011
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: the United States, singularly that the Congress has four founder

1012
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: and thirty five members, the Court has nine members and

1013
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 2: thousands of judges underneath it. But in this case, what

1014
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: makes him so exceptional is that he alone is the

1015
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: executive branch. So as it relates to extending immunity to officers,

1016
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: people who work with under him, cabinet members, so on,

1017
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 2: and so forth, that's off the table. But what isn't

1018
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: off the table is that the president can direct them

1019
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 2: to take an action, and he can then immediately part

1020
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: immediately pardon them from any future prosecution.

1021
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 3: Or anyone he deputizes with some of them is enshrined

1022
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 3: in the Constitution, which is absolute immunity, and any other

1023
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 3: official act, again, is that presumed immunity. I know we're

1024
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: over time to take a break, So Joe Biden still

1025
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: has a lot that he could get done before he leaves.

1026
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: I know that we all have a laundry list, y'all.

1027
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 3: Hopefully this can become banter for y'all's tables at the

1028
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 3: hot during this holiday, but I really want to see

1029
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 3: him knock some things out before he leaves. We talked

1030
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: about it once before on this show. What should President

1031
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: Biden do before he leaves office?

1032
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 6: Greetings, Angela, Andrew, and Tiffany, the trifecta of the Native

1033
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 6: Land Podcast, and my name is Keith Singleton, coming from Atlanta, Georgia.

1034
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 6: We found out the President of Joe Biden has dropped

1035
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 6: out of the twenty twenty four presidential election. I was

1036
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 6: saddened by that, however, I was elated with his endorsement

1037
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 6: of Kamala Harris for president, the top of the ticket

1038
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 6: for the Democratic presidency. For me, it's the only choice,

1039
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 6: any other choice. I am not staying with the Democratic Party.

1040
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 6: I'm going somewhere else, and it's not going to be

1041
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 6: the Republican Party or that grand old Party. Again. Thank

1042
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 6: you for taking the time to look at my video.

1043
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 6: Hope this helps out again. You're listening to the Native

1044
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 6: Land Podcast, the Innovators of US politics.

1045
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: Keith, We're so grateful for your comments, and y'all make

1046
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 3: sure you keep them coming. I thought that we could

1047
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: use this, y'all as a jumping off point for what

1048
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 3: should Joe Biden do with the rest of his term. Well,

1049
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 3: we know that he just recently did, not only dropping

1050
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 3: out of the presidential race was just historic in and

1051
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 3: of itself, but endorsing Kamala Harris on that same day,

1052
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: saying that she was the person and that could take

1053
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: the party in this country to the next level. It

1054
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 3: is so important that he continues to solidify his legacy

1055
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: with the rest of his term. So since on this podcast,

1056
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: we like to keep our imagination as Tiffany always challenges us,

1057
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 3: and our good brother Andrew challenges us. Y'all when you

1058
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 3: dream big, What does Joe Biden accomplish for the rest

1059
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: of his term.

1060
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Speaker 1: I don't know if legally he can do some of

1061
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: these things, but definitely federal pardons, which we know he

1062
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: can legally do through the DJ Parton office. Obviously for

1063
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: Marilyn Moseby. Angela works so hard on that, but multiple

1064
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: other people. I would like to see more non violent

1065
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: offenders pardon and not in a way that's safe, you know, like, oh,

1066
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: but what will the Republicans say, Like if you want

1067
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: to pardon the fifty thousand people, like do it? There

1068
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: are people sitting I mean, what happens in our prisons

1069
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: is inhumane. I used to focus on that a lot.

1070
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: And when you take away somebody's liberty, like it needs

1071
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: to be like no other choice. And we we've just

1072
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: been adversely impacted by a very punishing criminal justice system.

1073
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: So pardon is probably at the top of my list. Legally,

1074
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he can do this, but a

1075
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: federal protection for bodily autonomy for women, I think if

1076
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: he can pull that off, I'd like to see that.

1077
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: And if we're really letting our imaginations just like run free,

1078
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: imagine in America that is fair and you know, for

1079
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: the people, by the people. Other people include us. Reparations.

1080
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: I think reparations is something in a form. It may

1081
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: not be cash payments, maybe as land, maybe's home ownership.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we don't pay taxes for the rest of our lives,

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Speaker 1: whatever that looks like. See, I would like him to

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Speaker 1: be bold enough to do that. So off the top

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Speaker 1: of my head, those are the three things I'd say.

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Speaker 2: The courts, the courts, the courts, the courts, the courts,

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Speaker 2: the courts, the courts. I just think now he is

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01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 2: trying to do that. No, no, no, but I mean

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Speaker 2: for it to be done. There's a lot that is intended,

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Speaker 2: which means that they are going to have to be

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Speaker 2: likely some maneuvers that center Democrats are going to have

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Speaker 2: to make within their rule making process, within the accommodations

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Speaker 2: that they have been willing to make to Republicans up

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Speaker 2: to this point. I mean, we've even seen under Mitchell

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Speaker 2: McConnell's leadership where they had basically temporary suspensions.

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Speaker 14: Of the sixty sixty vote rule and they brought they've

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Speaker 14: used that process instead of preventively like they have used

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Speaker 14: it toward the Democrats to prevent Democrats from moving along

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Speaker 14: nominations and slowing down the process.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see us use it the other way.

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01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: I'd like Schumer, hopefully with the support of all forty

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Speaker 2: nine other fifty other Democrats, be willing to make some

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01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: rule changes in order to get the president's agenda around

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01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: the courts through the process. I think they're going to

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01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: be Republicans who are critical enough of of of the

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01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 2: Supreme Court that they may be willing to come with

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01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: us in the House to get a bill through. And

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Speaker 2: I think obviously we'll have to do what we can

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Speaker 2: in the Senate, and then lastly on the courts is

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Speaker 2: the appointments of of of judges. Uh, this process has

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01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: been slowan by Republicans to to screeching Holt, You've got

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Speaker 2: Senate Republicans who are from states where vacancies occur, who

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01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: have literally stood, you know, figuratively stood in the doorway

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Speaker 2: from letting any nominations get through. They will not provide slips,

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01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: I forget what they call them, maybe blue slips or

1116
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 2: or angela you may know, the terminology which basically green

1117
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: lights the name of the person coming from their state

1118
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: to move forward in that committee process. And then the

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Speaker 2: only that was just on the course. And then the

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Speaker 2: last thing I'll throw in there is just we've got

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01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: a letter already out there on the on the Fearless Fund.

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01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,959
Speaker 2: I'd love to see the President take very simple action

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Speaker 2: as a relate to what is being requested by the

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Speaker 2: Fearless Fund, which is additional protection and an executive order

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01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: to expand on that protection.

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Speaker 3: The Fearless Fund is actually where I was going to

1127
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: go to if you know, it's so important for us

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Speaker 3: to understand Fearless Fund is one of many victims of

1129
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 3: you know, a people and an infrastructure that is trying

1130
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Speaker 3: so diligently to keep us back from and keeping us

1131
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 3: out of equitable outcomes. They you know, and one hand,

1132
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 3: it's like you didn't earn it. You you there's affirmative

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01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 3: action policy that you shouldn't be able to be a

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Speaker 3: part of. You didn't earn it. You shouldn't be able

1135
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 3: to to to go to schools to get funding with us,

1136
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 3: to get access to capital. So you start your own

1137
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 3: thing and then they target you for that. So I

1138
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 3: absolutely think there should be an executive order not only

1139
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: protecting entities like the Fearless Fund, but really doing the

1140
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 3: disparity studies necessary across the board, in every industry, in

1141
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 3: every organization, and all of all systems of education to

1142
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 3: demonstrate why discriminatory impact is still just as significant as

1143
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 3: discriminatory intent. You cannot prove intent without the data. The

1144
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 3: data is there. We all know it, we've seen it,

1145
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 3: we've witnessed it. So we need something, some federal protection

1146
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 3: VI severe executive order to help us get across that

1147
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 3: finish line. I think the other thing that I want

1148
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 3: to see him do is an executive order on voting rights.

1149
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 3: Everything that they've said in the past, the Supreme Court

1150
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 3: is said has not been the makeup of this court.

1151
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 3: So I believe if Donald Trump was were in office,

1152
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 3: they would give him broad sweeping authority on executive orders.

1153
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 3: I think Joe Biden should test that leading up to

1154
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 3: the fall. I really do. I think that he should

1155
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 3: go hard on executive orders like he's If you can

1156
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 3: legislate from the bench, certainly you can do it from

1157
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: the oval and prove them wrong. So yes on abortion

1158
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 3: or reproductive justice. Yes on affirmative action and equitable outcomes

1159
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 3: and opportunities. Yes on everything else and voting rice, all

1160
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 3: the things that we know that we need, and reparations.

1161
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Speaker 3: Absolutely So I like all those answers.

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01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: Well, I you know, we were just focused on domestic policy,

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01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: but I would add to that, I would revisit some

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01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: of our foreign policy as well. This is in the

1165
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: world of you know, a blank wall that we can

1166
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: create democracy ourselves on what it looks like, because you know,

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01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 1: I don't know how realistic this is, but I would

1168
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: certainly rethink our allieship with the state of Israel. You know,

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01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: Israel is a nuclear power and a powerful entity, largely

1170
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: because of the United States funds. What we've seen in

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Speaker 1: just the abhorrent things that we've seen happen in Gaza,

1172
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: and now it used to be an unsafe thing to

1173
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Speaker 1: even say this. And I think we can stand in

1174
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: allieship with our Jewish brothers and sisters, but we mainly

1175
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: stand on the right side of what is good and righteous,

1176
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: and what we're seeing happening there is not that, and

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Speaker 1: the money being used to fund the inhumane treatment there,

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Speaker 1: I would hope that President Biden could reconsider. I would

1179
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: also realign our foreign policy to some of the shifting

1180
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: foreign powers that we actually see. It kind of feels

1181
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: like the United States is like, you know, a few

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01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: decades behind the rest of the world on when it

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01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: comes to global powers. So that's from a foreign policy expert,

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01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: but also a few decades behind even when it comes

1185
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: to infrastructure when you look at public transit in other

1186
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: countries and their bullet trains and you know their streets

1187
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: and you know just how different countries look. So I

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01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: would love to see some change on that side as well.

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01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: And I you know, I have to say watching when

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01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: I do watch news and it is not domestic news,

1191
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: you really would be, you know, just terrified when you

1192
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: look at what's happening in the country, and I'm as

1193
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: I said on our main podcast, I hope you guys

1194
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: tune in if you haven't already. I could see an

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01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: all out war happening in the Middle East, and that

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: would not benefit Vice President Harris. I do think, unfortunately,

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01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: that would likely benefit Donald Trump for this country to

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Speaker 1: see its first female commander in chief, and so that

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Speaker 1: definitely has my attention, as well as if there's something

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01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden could do before he left office to

1201
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: stay that state of unrest, that would also be helpful.

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Speaker 3: All right, y'all, well, we are going to take a

1203
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 3: quick break and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: I think our brother Andrew is gone. I was just

1205
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: about to say, Andrew Andrew dropped. Andrew got dial up,

1206
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: like y'all said about me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we all do today minus even reporting

1208
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: on here. They got local audio recording that Andrew. I

1209
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 3: wanted to come back to him because he it looked

1210
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: like the cameras feed was picking up and then it dropped.

1211
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Speaker 3: But I was also gonna say, I have one that

1212
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 3: is kind of petty, but I think some of the

1213
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 3: things should be done like right away. I for a

1214
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 3: long time on this podcast been calling for Merrick Garland's

1215
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 3: resignation I think you should just appoint another head of

1216
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 3: the Department of Justice. I don't think that this Department

1217
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 3: of Justice. Their failures around Tulsa, you know, the shortcomings

1218
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 3: around some of the police killings that we've seen, and

1219
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 3: their inability to reach a conclusion on investigations, the targeting

1220
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 3: of black prosecutors, black elected officials, including our own brother

1221
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 3: Andrew under this Department of Justice. For failure to revisit

1222
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 3: any of Trump's targeted prosecutions is highly problematic. They have

1223
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 3: been non responsive to what we know is a necessary

1224
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 3: justice for the Tulsa race massacre survivors. We have lost

1225
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Speaker 3: one since this administration has been in with Uncle Red's passing.

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Speaker 3: So it's time for these folks to get and receive

1227
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Speaker 3: the justice they deserve, and their descendants to get and

1228
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 3: receive the justice they deserve. If that can happen under

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Speaker 3: Merrit Garland's watch, then we should get a new Attorney General.

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Speaker 3: That's another thing that I think he should do before

1231
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 3: he leaves, appoint someone else at DOJ.

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Speaker 1: Well, since we're imagining things, is there, do you have

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Speaker 1: someone in mind for Attorney General under.

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01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 3: Who would be so good? I would be so excited

1235
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Speaker 3: about it. I don't know if she's gonna come back

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Speaker 3: to the administration. Marcia Fudge really as Attorney General. Yes,

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01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 3: I think that Marcia Fudge does not play. She is

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01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 3: so serious about voting right. She was great on that

1239
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 3: issue as chair. She cares deeply about children and snap

1240
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 3: benefits and equal education opportunities. She has an organizing arm

1241
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 3: behind her as a former president of Adulta Sigma Theta.

1242
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 3: Like I think that, and she does not let me

1243
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 3: tell you about October babies. She gonna go hard in

1244
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 3: the paint. She get right up there and be like,

1245
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 3: let me tell you what you're not gonna do. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: So Marcia Fudge is a former Congressoman of Ohio. She

1247
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: left Congress to lead HUD under the Biden administration. She

1248
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: since I left her and as Angela said, former president

1249
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: of Delta sigm with data.

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Speaker 3: She would be a gangster.

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01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1252
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 3: The other person who would be really good is.

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01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: A girl can dream.

1254
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 3: I would like being crump.

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01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I like that.

1256
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: I would like.

1257
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 3: I think that it's time that the the the department

1258
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 3: that sits in the j. Edgar Hoover Building, can you

1259
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 3: also rename that with an executive worker? By the way,

1260
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 3: but if he's not going to rename that, I would

1261
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 3: like to see somebody who fights for the civil rights

1262
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 3: of all people running it, like just as an affront

1263
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 3: to j Edgar Hoover, just like hiss on the building.

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01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: So I have to be I hate to be a

1265
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: dream damper, but I do wonder with all the things

1266
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: that the DLJ is responsible for, would Ben Krump be

1267
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 1: ideal in that space. I don't know, and I know

1268
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 1: we all know Ben in love Ben. But like when

1269
01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: it comes to.

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Speaker 3: Foreign policies, yes, yes, yes, that bankrupt should be the

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01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 3: attorney general. And I would just remind Tiff that you

1272
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 3: know everybody, I mean, there are divisions, but just to

1273
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 3: get them back.

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 2: As well, I would just say Justice Katanji Brown Jackson

1275
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 2: comes from the tradition of being a public defender in

1276
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 2: the federal court system, which is unprecedented, unheard of to

1277
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 2: be appointed to the Supreme Court. We have to do

1278
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 2: the same thing with the U. S. Attorney Attorney's General

1279
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: because we've we've looked almost exclusively at prosecutors as a

1280
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 2: you know, tried and true guaranteed must have in order

1281
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 2: to be a US attorney or the Attorney general. And

1282
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: the truth is. The legal system is much more complex

1283
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: than that. There are many way manners of accountability with injustice,

1284
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: and I'd love to see someone who comes from a

1285
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: different front seated background with a respect for the law

1286
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: to come in there and shake it up.

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01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,759
Speaker 1: I love the public defend Okay, I have one more idea,

1288
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: Tis James. I could get with his James James. But

1289
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: now y'all got just kind of sold on the Ben

1290
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: Crump thing, Like I like the idea of a public defender.

1291
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he's not a public a public.

1292
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: I know he's not now, but he never worked as

1293
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: a public defender.

1294
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 2: But his his his his alignment with the the intersections

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Speaker 2: of law and justice, both through the civil as well

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Speaker 2: as the criminal uh elements that he's represented that he's

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Speaker 2: worked at. Because of the nature of his work, he's

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Speaker 2: gotten to get involved with these families who sit at

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Speaker 2: the intersection of prosecutions as well as victimhood within the

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Speaker 2: criminal justice system, long before you ever typically see civil

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Speaker 2: attorneys getting engaged and involved. He's there from day zero,

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Speaker 2: oftentimes ushering these families through the criminal justice process and

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Speaker 2: then being there as a backstop when the civil side

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Speaker 2: kicks up and kicks in. I just think his nuanced

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Speaker 2: understanding is different than really much of what we can

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Speaker 2: find anywhere wholesale endorser.

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Speaker 1: I like that idea.

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Speaker 3: Guess what. I love you guys.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, ill missed half of it.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 1: I hope y'all are enjoying some good food. We're about

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Speaker 1: to joy our good food. So happy, thanks too, and everybody.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm about to go and get my next playing

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Speaker 3: yams that I make myself too bad. I can't share

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Speaker 3: with you, Tiffany Andrew, but maybe soon, y'all. There are

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Speaker 3: still seven hundred and six days left until the midterm election.

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Speaker 3: You know we're gonna keep counting you down.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for joining the Natives.

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Speaker 1: Attention of what the info and all of the latest

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Speaker 1: Rock Gillim and cross connected to.

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Speaker 2: The statements that you leave on our SoC shows.

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Speaker 13: Thank you sincerely for the patients reason for your choice

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Speaker 13: is cleared.

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Speaker 2: So grateful it took the to execute roles for serve,

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Speaker 2: defend and protect the truth, even if pay. We welcome

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Speaker 2: home to all of the Natives. We thank you.

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Speaker 3: Welcome y'all.

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