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Speaker 5: And today we are in the trenches talking offensive line.

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Speaker 5: We got a film breakdown from Evan, another mock draft

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Speaker 5: from Matisa Chris that Evan's gonna tear apart for us,

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Speaker 5: as well as an interview with Brandon Thorne. So offensive line, guys,

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Speaker 5: it's a big need. But first, I just want to

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Speaker 5: kind of set the table a little bit here with

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Speaker 5: some of the latest news. Joe Milton formally traded last

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Speaker 5: week to the Cowboys. Paul, do you see this impacting

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Speaker 5: the Patriots draft plans at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 6: I really don't. I think there's always a chance that

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Speaker 6: you could take a quarterback later in the draft Day

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Speaker 6: three at some time. I think it's something that a

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Speaker 6: lot of teams try to do good practice, but I

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Speaker 6: don't necessarily see it being any more of an issue

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Speaker 6: right now. My guess is somebody that's not on the

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Speaker 6: some point during the offseason. I don't think it necessarily

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Speaker 6: has to be a draft pick.

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Speaker 4: What do you think.

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Speaker 5: You have a couple of names out there, maybe Day

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Speaker 5: three fire kind of guys.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: The one guy that sticks out to me that just

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Speaker 7: sort of fits the backup quarterback mold as Riley Leonard

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Speaker 7: from Notre Dame has some athleticism, so he kind of

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Speaker 7: plays a little bit like Drake May, So you will

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Speaker 7: have that. It's clear that Joe Milton, you know, it

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Speaker 7: didn't work out in terms of his long term view

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Speaker 7: of his role on the team. So if you truly

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Speaker 7: want a guy that's okay with kind of being a

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Speaker 7: career backup, then that's tough. Like I think that's tough

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Speaker 7: to find somebody that's truly going to come into the

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Speaker 7: league as a rookie and say, well, all this backup

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Speaker 3: You know, not everybody's wired like that.

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Speaker 7: So I'm interested to see how to handle that, you know,

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Speaker 7: is it just a camp arm and Josh Dobbs is

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Speaker 3: That's kind of where I'm.

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Speaker 7: Leaning, is that maybe it's a they have two seventh

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Speaker 5: What do you think, TC, And you write the final

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Speaker 5: chapter here for Joe Milton. I mean it wasn't here

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Speaker 5: very long, but hey, he made some entertaining backflips, a

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Speaker 8: Of the season. Yeah, we got some good content out

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Speaker 8: of it. I would have liked to keep maybe one

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Speaker 8: keep him. But Paul said this before. It's never bad

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Speaker 8: business to draft a quarterback. So you take somebody six

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Speaker 5: All right, guys, So this is the offensive line episode,

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Speaker 5: and I just want to set it up with where

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Speaker 5: the Patriots are at, because I think there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of unknown factors right now with this offensive line. Paul,

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Speaker 5: you said on Patriots Unfiltered this week beside Morgan Moses.

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Speaker 5: After that, it's a lot of guys that they've drafted

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Speaker 5: How do you see this whole position group lineup? We

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean obviously that's the number one priority, is

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't see it either. I don't see how

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Speaker 7: So there's some names there that, you know, I'm sure

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Speaker 7: A really strong guard class. You know, that's probably one

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the biggest question to me because it's got

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Speaker 5: a new offensive line coach. And again I've been here,

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Speaker 4: You know, Kayden Wallace was seen as a right tackle that.

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Speaker 8: I think you want to see a jump, But there's

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Speaker 8: also nothing wrong with investing in more talent. So we

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Speaker 8: don't know what's going to happen at four, but I

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Speaker 5: Last thing, I just want touch on guys. This is

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's really been a position of stability for

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Speaker 5: like you're stuck in the middle of the road right now.

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, Garret Bradberry, they brought him in. Clearly

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Speaker 5: been around a little bit. Cole Strange is trying a

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Speaker 5: new position. It seems like, like you said, Paul, you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I didn't even mention Jake Andrews, who I

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Speaker 4: No, they don't.

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Speaker 6: They don't have guys right now that I think you'd

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Speaker 5: Just give me one name of all these offensive line

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Speaker 5: of that rest of that group that you're most interested

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Speaker 7: So I'm really interested to see him back in this McDaniels,

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Speaker 7: Bill O'Brien type of offense. I thought as a rookie

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Speaker 7: he showed some promise similarly to Leyden Robinson, and left

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Speaker 7: to college. I think there's a chance that, you know,

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Speaker 7: we see a better player in this system, not a

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Speaker 3: He's a big guy. I'm just interested to see.

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Speaker 7: If maybe he ends up all of a sudden rope

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Speaker 7: adoping lad and Robinson and all, you know, we look

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Speaker 7: maybe he was developing into as a rookie under Bill O'Brien,

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Speaker 7: it looks the same as it did his rookie season.

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Speaker 7: I feel pretty good about Garrett Bradbury for the year

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Speaker 7: at center. I think they have a bridge there at center.

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Speaker 7: But you know, Drew Kendall from BC, like, that guy

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Speaker 7: is like, that's a boss, that's a Patriot, right, Like,

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Speaker 7: that's gonna be tough to pass on, I think at center.

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Speaker 7: But I do feel pretty good about Garrett Bradbury for

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Speaker 7: the season. Maybe not as a long term center. I

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Speaker 7: don't know how much he has left, but for twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty five, they should be set there, all right.

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Speaker 5: Well, plenty to digest here along the offensive and lots

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Speaker 5: of needs, lots of questions. Check out Evans film review

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Speaker 7: What's up, everybody, It's Evan Lazarre. Welcome into the Patriots

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Speaker 7: Draft Countdown film room. We are going to discuss a

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Speaker 7: huge position of need for the Patriots and this year's draft.

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Speaker 9: Today.

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Speaker 7: Offensive line in particular, we're going to talk about the

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Speaker 7: And obviously, like I just said, we know that this

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Speaker 7: four overall potential. Here I would say with Will Campbell,

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Speaker 7: With armand Membu, who will talk about after we get

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Speaker 7: to Campbell. Well, let's get to the tape with Will

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Speaker 7: Campbell and why he's such a promising prospect on the

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Speaker 7: And the last one here is really big. So let's

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Speaker 7: go slow here because a big emphasis with Will Campbell's

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Speaker 7: his arm length right. We know these arms are undersized

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Speaker 7: can see how he's just able to sit down right

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Speaker 7: those ideal measurables, but you can see the tape, folks.

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Speaker 7: I mean it's outstanding from top to bottom for Campbell.

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Speaker 7: In terms of the film. A couple other names that

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Speaker 7: should say now armand Membu fantastic athlete, good film, top

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Speaker 7: But he's a right tackle, right, so we're gonna put

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure if they're gonna be looking for a

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Speaker 7: Josh Simmons coming off that knee injury, let's see how

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Speaker 7: Josh Carnelie junior from Oregon had a great end of

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Speaker 7: what you do at number four overall. So that's the

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Speaker 7: top of the tackle class. There's a lot of tackles

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Speaker 7: of interest to the Patriots, But I'm still planting that flag.

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Speaker 7: Will Campbell he's going to be a great pro. Might

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Speaker 7: in my mind. So that's your offensive line breakdown and

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Speaker 7: your offensive tackles for the Patriots in this year's draft.

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Speaker 7: Huge position of need. Thanks for watching.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 7: We're joined now by a very special guest, the best

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Speaker 7: and brightest on the offensive line. It's Brandon Thorne of

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Speaker 7: Trench Warfare. Make sure you subscribe there and also on

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Speaker 7: Bleacher Report. Brandon has some of the best draft profiles

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Speaker 7: on the offensive lineman in this year's class. So we're

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Speaker 7: going to get into the draft here in just a second, Brandon,

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Speaker 7: But to set the table, I just wanted to ask

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Speaker 7: Morgan Moses and Garrett Bradbrey. So, first of all, thanks

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Speaker 3: I wanted to get into the football but good to

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Speaker 3: see you.

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Speaker 7: But just in general, what are your impressions of what

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I feel like, you know, we'll start

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Speaker 2: Solidifies that side.

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Speaker 10: So I just look at that as a plus across

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Speaker 10: I don't think that moves the needle as much as

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Speaker 10: guy who you know, worst case, if you don't address

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Speaker 10: all in all, it's a it's a really it's a

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Speaker 10: I think just largely he was a pretty solid run blocker,

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Speaker 10: I think physically play strength and power wise, that translated

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Speaker 10: We're still concerns in terms of matching up one on

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Speaker 10: Obviously, and you know, we'll see if he could do that.

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Speaker 10: But I think all in all, based on where you

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Speaker 10: my evaluation, like pretty much as expected, and like now,

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Speaker 10: Mean I'm not totally out on CD SOO either, so

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of how I see you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's let's talk about the big one, which is

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Speaker 7: obviously left tackle. And this is for most people, and

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Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, So, I mean I think Will Campbell pretty

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Speaker 10: You know, he didn't participate in the All Star circuit

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Speaker 10: In terms of my initial projection as a high level

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think he's the best overall offensive lineman

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Speaker 10: compared him to David di Castro, although you know di

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Speaker 10: Castro didn't play tackle at Stanford. But I just see

439
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Speaker 10: a very similar sort of player in terms of how

440
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Speaker 10: he wins and what he does well body type even

441
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Speaker 10: but to me, he more so than anything, falls into

442
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Speaker 10: that bucket of And this isn't a knock either to

443
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Speaker 10: me at least I know some take it that way.

444
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Speaker 10: But a very good college left tackle who is kind

445
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Speaker 10: of in that pipeline to me ideally to kick inside

446
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 10: as a pro. And I mean most oftentimes the best

447
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Speaker 10: guards that we have in the league are collegiate left

448
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 10: tackles who were really good. You know, for if it's

449
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 10: Zach Martin, Brandon Shurf, Elijah Peterry Tucker. The list of

450
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 10: the serious is very very long. There's there's a dozen

451
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Speaker 10: or so guys at least. So that's to me, how

452
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Speaker 10: I really see him. Now, you know, a team like

453
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Speaker 10: New England that doesn't have a left tackle you know,

454
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Speaker 10: on the roster, to me, yeah, you try him a

455
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Speaker 10: left tackle first and then you see where it goes

456
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Speaker 10: from there. So but you know, I mean he just

457
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Speaker 10: checks it. Like in terms of my film evaluation, like,

458
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Speaker 10: I think his balance is really good on contact through contact.

459
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Speaker 10: I think his play strength is really good. He has

460
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Speaker 10: power that's good. He's really athletic. He I mean, he

461
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Speaker 10: does a lot of things well. The reason why I

462
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Speaker 10: see him projected inside yeah, the length. I mean we

463
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Speaker 10: kind of knew that in the spring, right that he

464
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Speaker 10: was gonna you know, barely hit thirty three if that.

465
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Speaker 10: But I think just when you watch his tape and

466
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 10: you dig into it, I think he has some issues

467
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 10: pass protecting one on one on an island in terms

468
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Speaker 10: of striking down the middle of pass rushers and when

469
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Speaker 10: you don't have very good length at all, that can

470
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 10: get exacerbated in terms of creating a short corner for

471
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Speaker 10: pass rushers to access and turn the corner on him

472
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Speaker 10: quickly here and there. It's not like a major issue,

473
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Speaker 10: but I think that could be just increased at the

474
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Speaker 10: next level. And then he also kind of drifts oversets

475
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Speaker 10: a little bit, kind of you know, soft inside shoulder.

476
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Speaker 10: Those to me are kind of typically the signs. That's

477
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Speaker 10: that's to me why Brandon Schurff moved inside. That's to

478
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Speaker 10: me is why Zach Martin moved inside, and Joe Toney,

479
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Speaker 10: Joe Bntonio, Peter Skoronski. That's that's why these guys move inside.

480
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Speaker 10: So that that's just kind of how I see him.

481
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 10: But all in all, you know, my favorite offensive lineman

482
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Speaker 10: in the draft.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you mentioned you know why guys move inside and

484
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Speaker 7: why arm length is important. Just for our listeners, can

485
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Speaker 7: you just explain sort of the mythology because I think

486
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Speaker 7: a lot of people think arm length we're talking about

487
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Speaker 7: ace of an inch in some cases, right in terms

488
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Speaker 7: of these thresholds, like why do you feel like it's

489
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Speaker 7: felt that it's so important to NFL teams that these

490
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Speaker 7: guys hit certain thresholds.

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Speaker 10: What also bucket in here put in the bucket wingspan,

492
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Speaker 10: which is a little bit different. To me, that's maybe

493
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Speaker 10: a little bit more of a relative concern for him

494
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Speaker 10: because as far as I know, based on his measurement,

495
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Speaker 10: he has the smallest wingspan of any offensive tackle to

496
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Speaker 10: come through the combine since nineteen ninety nine. So yeah,

497
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Speaker 10: that's per mock draftable. People can go to mock draftable

498
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Speaker 10: dot com. They have a database of players going back

499
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Speaker 10: to ninety nine, and he, I think would be.

500
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Speaker 2: The smallest wingspan in history for a tackle.

501
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Speaker 10: So you know, he's like in line with Alex Kappa

502
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 10: and Connor Williams, so in terms of body type, that's

503
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 10: kind of what you're looking at, and obviously those guys

504
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 10: didn't play tackle in the NFL, So yeah, wingspan's a

505
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 10: little different. I think that's more so like how much

506
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 10: space you're kind of like you're the width of your frame,

507
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 10: you know, and kind of like the mass the girth

508
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 10: that you have, how much space you take up. And

509
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Speaker 10: I think when you couple that with arm length, when

510
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 10: you're talking about a tackle, you're dealing with a lot

511
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 10: of space at tackle, more so than garden center obviously,

512
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 10: where you're flanked from both sides, you're kind of a

513
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 10: little bit more in the quote unquote phone booth, but

514
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Speaker 10: with tackle, because you're operating in so much space, when

515
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 10: you don't have as much of a reach or as

516
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 10: much of a kind of as a as a stature,

517
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Speaker 10: you know, then it's a little bit easier to get

518
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Speaker 10: around you, you know, just because of you don't have

519
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 10: as much as you're not operating in tight quarters. So

520
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 10: it just it's razor thin, you know, margin for error

521
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 10: when you're playing offensive line in the NFL, playing in

522
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 10: any position, but especially offensive line and especially offensive tackle.

523
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 10: So I think that's why it matters. But at the

524
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Speaker 10: same time, if your hands are really good and your

525
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Speaker 10: technique's really good, you can overcome that, as we've seen

526
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Speaker 10: with some of these guys with similar arm length and wingspans.

527
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Speaker 10: But to me, again, like I think it's not just

528
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Speaker 10: purely length and wingspan. I think it's also some of

529
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Speaker 10: the technical things that I said, you know that I

530
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 10: think have gotten cleaned up to a certain extent, but

531
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Speaker 10: we haven't seen it be cleaned up on game date yet.

532
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 10: So yeah, I think that's that's kind of what it

533
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Speaker 10: is and how I view it.

534
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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, And we could talk about this for another hour,

535
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Speaker 7: but I don't want to keep you that long, So

536
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Speaker 7: let's just move on to some of these other guys

537
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Speaker 7: and I we won't go as deep in them as

538
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 7: we did with Campbell, but armand Membu do just your

539
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 7: thoughts on him, and I think the big number one

540
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 7: question for the Patriots obviously is can he play left

541
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 7: tackle at the next level instead of right? And we've

542
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 7: been texting back and forth a little bit about the

543
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 7: history of guys flipping, and it's not very many guys, right,

544
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 7: it's a pretty small sample size of just a couple

545
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 7: that have actually pulled it off. But what do you

546
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 7: like about Membo? And could you see him going from

547
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Speaker 7: right to left, you know, right in college to left

548
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 7: in the NFL?

549
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean we saw JC Latham and tali Esa

550
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 10: for Waga do this last year. But aside from then them,

551
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Speaker 10: I think you have to go back to like Jedrick

552
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 10: Wills is kind of another example, And yeah, I mean

553
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 10: I think Membo could do it. You know, I don't

554
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 10: see anything on his profile or his tape or anything

555
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 10: that would preclude him from switching sides, especially if you're

556
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 10: doing it with enough of a runway to get used

557
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Speaker 10: to it. Like, you know, if you're drafting him in

558
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Speaker 10: day one, you say, Okay, in the spring, you're gonna

559
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 10: start repping at left tackle, and you have the spring,

560
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 10: the summer camp, all that, you know, months and months

561
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 10: to do it. Then yeah, I don't see why he

562
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 10: wouldn't do it and be an equal level player that

563
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 10: he would be on the right. So that to me

564
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 10: is kind of a non factor. And yeah, I mean

565
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 10: I like Membo a lot. He's very close in grade

566
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 10: to Will Campbell. These two are two of maybe like

567
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 10: three guys that actually have a true first round grade

568
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 10: on so I see him as a year one starter

569
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 10: at tackle. This guy, to me is more of a

570
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 10: true tackle. He's my number one true tackle in the

571
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 10: in the draft, but behind Campbell overall. And for me,

572
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 10: I don't see any technical issues playing tackle in terms

573
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 10: of range, the ability to protect the corner, redirecting. He

574
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 10: doesn't overset guys a lot, like he looks to me

575
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 10: very comfortable past protecting tackle on film, and he has

576
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 10: all the physical thresholds I think that you would want.

577
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 10: So yeah, to me, he's more of a true tackle.

578
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 10: But yeah, to me, I mean, like there's some interesting

579
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 10: kind of just to give people an idea of the

580
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 10: sort of pro that I see him being.

581
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: Like, I think high end comp.

582
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 10: Would be like a Dwayne Brown, you know, another six'

583
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 10: ford and change left tackle who played at a really high,

584
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 10: level who's about three, thirty who was extremely powerful. Athletic you,

585
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 10: know he played For houston for a long. Time he

586
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 10: had really good years In seattle two for a couple.

587
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 10: There so that's like a high end. Comp and THEN

588
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 10: i also see Some Mickey ikwanu as well in his,

589
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 10: game just in terms of his body, type, size of

590
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 10: some of the natural, power some of the abilities as

591
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 10: a finisher in the run. Game so that's kind of

592
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 10: another archetype THAT i would throw out. There but, YEAH

593
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 10: i MEAN i like him a, lot and to, me

594
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 10: he's clear cut like him And, campbell the two. Guys

595
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 10: it's it's kind of been this way for me since the.

596
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 10: Beginning they're you, Know, MEMBO i think separated himself a

597
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 10: little bit after the combine from somebody Like Josh, simmons

598
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 10: who is a Guy i'm very high on and just

599
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 10: with kind of some of his. Questions that's that's why

600
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 10: in member not having those same questions is.

601
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: WHY i Have membo ahead of, him BUT i really.

602
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 10: Like simmons tape as. WELL i think he's a really

603
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 10: good true tackle. Prospect but, Yeah i'm very high On.

604
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: Membo.

605
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 7: Yeah so the next wave, here if you, will The

606
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 7: patriots pick in the second round at thirty. EIGHT i

607
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 7: think there's a chance that if It's Travis hunter Or

608
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 7: Abdul carter or something like that at, four that they

609
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 7: don't get their left tackle with the fourth overall. Pick

610
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 7: the tier THAT i look at at that, point you,

611
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 7: Know Josh, Connery Arianti, ersie Maybe simmons if he falls

612
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 7: because of the. Injury maybe it's a trade. Up it's

613
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 7: the end of the first round to secure one of those.

614
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 7: Guys but out of that, group who do you feel

615
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 7: like it is a good fit here In New?

616
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 10: England, YEAH i MEAN i really Like Josh. Simmons just

617
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 10: the thing, IS i think you have to start with

618
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 10: kind of the caveats.

619
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: FIRST i, mean.

620
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 10: Five games in twenty twenty four before tearing his bettel,

621
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 10: attendant he looked like a very different player compared to

622
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 10: twenty twenty. Three he was much better improved in a

623
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 10: lot of, respects from his stance to his, technique everything

624
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 10: was kind of shifted and changed for the, better WHICH

625
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 10: i confirmed with him on the film.

626
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: ROOM i. Did he did a lot of work and it,

627
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: showed and he was.

628
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 10: DOMINANT i thought through the five games that he, played

629
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 10: and you, know part of that is he didn't see

630
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 10: great Competition Michigan state And. Oregon he had about twenty

631
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 10: or so snaps in The oregon tape was the one

632
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 10: he got hurt, in so you, see but there were

633
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 10: some really good stuff even in that small. Sample and

634
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 10: then The Michigan state game was probably the game where

635
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 10: he faced the best edge rusher he, saw and he

636
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 10: was really good in that.

637
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: One to, me like.

638
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 10: When you first turn on the, tape, though like he's

639
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 10: the GUY i got the most excited about probably watching

640
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 10: anybody this, year and it Was that's what made it

641
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 10: such a bummer when he got, hurt BECAUSE i was

642
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 10: expecting him to really like just rise throughout the process

643
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 10: AND i HAD i didn't watch him in twenty twenty

644
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 10: three either until after the, fact but, yeah like just

645
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 10: turning it on blind and watching, him you, know the

646
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 10: first game of the year and then watching all of his. Snaps,

647
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 10: yeah just a true prototypical sort of left tackle in

648
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 10: terms of how he looks on film and body, type

649
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 10: how he, moves the athletic, ability the the explosiveness and

650
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 10: twitch in his. GAME i saw some shades Of Christian darisaw.

651
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 10: There maybe just a little bit less physically imposing Than,

652
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 10: darrisaw but similar in a lot of. Ways and, yeah,

653
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 10: SO i you, know all in, all with the injuries

654
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 10: and all the, stuff all the questions with, him he's

655
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 10: like a ringe first round grade for. Me seven point

656
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 10: nine eight point zero is when first round grade start for,

657
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 10: Us SO i have him as a seven to. Nine

658
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 10: he's my third overall offensive lineman in the entire class though,

659
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 10: still BUT i couldn't quite get there on a surefire

660
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 10: first round. Grade BUT i think if you could get

661
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 10: him at the you, know the tail end of the

662
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 10: first or certainly in the, SECOND i, mean, YEAH i

663
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 10: Mean i'd be all over that.

664
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: One.

665
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 7: YEAH i feel like if that injury didn't, happen then

666
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 7: we might be talking about him at four overall for

667
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 7: The patriots as the top left tackle in the. Draft

668
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 7: so it was a bummer to see, That but you said.

669
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 7: It he was absolutely dominant in those five games that he,

670
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 7: played all, Right so let's go into the sleeper category

671
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 7: here maybe a little bit later on in the draft

672
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 7: On day. Three are there any tackle prospects that you

673
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 7: think could end up developing down the line and be

674
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 7: sort of steals of this?

675
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 10: Draft, yeah there's there's probably a few names all throughout.

676
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 10: THERE i Like Charles grant a good amount From william And.

677
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 10: Mary he's a guard, candidate BUT i think he could

678
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 10: probably stick a. Tackle there's some shades Of Tront armstead,

679
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 10: there you, know coming out of college to, me small,

680
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 10: school maybe not quite as physically dominant As tron, was

681
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 10: but never really challenged physically either on, film AND i

682
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 10: watched a lot.

683
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: Of it of.

684
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 10: Him the thing about him is THAT i really appreciate

685
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 10: is his ability in.

686
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: The run game.

687
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 10: To operate in his own heavy scheme that he did

688
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 10: With william And.

689
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: Mary just the backside cut offs for, him first of,

690
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: all were.

691
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 10: Awesome that's something that you don't see a whole, lot

692
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 10: especially from small school offensive, linemen where the technique is

693
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 10: just so, sound, inconsistent and he has a lot of

694
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 10: like burst and quickness to execute at a very high,

695
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 10: level climbing to the second level leading out in. Space

696
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 10: SO i think in the run game, like he's a

697
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 10: pretty polished rum, blocker especially considering a small school. Background

698
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 10: and THEN i think in past, protection the way he

699
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 10: moves is a really good sort of foundation to work with.

700
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: There Uh, so, YEAH.

701
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 10: I MEAN i like, him you, know kind Of round

702
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 10: four range is probably WHERE i like him. IDEALLY i

703
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 10: Think Chase lunt is interesting From, connecticut who's a taller,

704
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 10: guy uh than Than Charles. Grant he's like six,' eight

705
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 10: but another heavy zone scheme guy Who is he's a

706
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 10: little bit more erratic in terms of his body control

707
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 10: and and sustaining Skills, than grant but he's.

708
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: Very, twitchy explosive, moves.

709
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 10: Well and, you know he has a lot of really

710
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 10: good tape in terms of as a. Run blocker. THOSE

711
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 10: two I Think miles hinton is Interesting from michigan Left tackle.

712
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 10: Stanford transfer, this guy he's he's a bigger guy than

713
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 10: all these guys in terms. Of weight he moves really

714
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 10: well though he's maybe the Most talented michigan offensive lineman

715
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 10: to come out In several in, MY opinion i haven't

716
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 10: been super high On the. Michigan guys they've had really

717
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 10: good collective units over the last. Few years they Won

718
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 10: Two Jill, more awards but they just haven't had like.

719
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 10: A Dude and i'm not Saying that hinton is, a

720
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 10: dude but he. Has bloodlines his dad was A Perennial

721
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 10: all pro. Offensive lineman, he's big natural power and he

722
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 10: can get out and run and like lead in the.

723
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 10: Run game i'd love to throw a dart. On him

724
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 10: and on, DAY three I Think anthony belton. Is interesting

725
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 10: later on, day three like, this dude LIKE he's i

726
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 10: think he's like six six six five three thirty, three

727
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 10: forty carries it really well a lot of. Natural power

728
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 10: not very reliable in, past protection But he's he's the

729
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 10: sort of guy that you get into a building and,

730
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 10: you know you allow him, to develop see see. WHAT happens,

731
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 10: i mean he has a. PHYSICAL talent i think to,

732
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 10: you know, one day start some games. At tackle so

733
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 10: those guys, stand out and then there's there's more dark

734
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 10: Horses Like, logan brown, you know, maybe undrafted, you know

735
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 10: late day THREE that i think. Is Interesting john Williams

736
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 10: from cincinnati too is kind of interesting, to me although

737
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 10: he might. Play guard, so like there's there's some interesting

738
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 10: guys you know. Down there if you especially if you're

739
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 10: talking like rounds five. THROUGH seven, I mean i would

740
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 10: love to draft one of.

741
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 7: Those, Guys Yeah charles grant is a good one because,

742
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 7: you know you don't when you see Guys from William

743
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 7: and mary or at, that level you want them to

744
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 7: pop off the tape and be different than the guys

745
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 7: that are. Around them AND when i, WATCHED him i,

746
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 7: was like, all right THAT'S the nfl player that's gonna.

747
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 7: Get drafted, you know on the offensive line there is. Pretty,

748
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 7: obvious brandon as you guys, can tell is an encyclopedia with.

749
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 7: This stuff so give him a Follow At, BRANDON Thorn Nfl,

750
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 7: Bleacher Report. Trench, warfare brandon thank you so much for.

751
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 3: Your.

752
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: Time, yeah absolutely it's. My pleasure thanks for. Having me, what's.

753
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 8: Up everybody we're back again for a mock draft segment

754
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 8: On The Patriots draft. Countdown podcast Here With. Chris cassi

755
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 8: we're Joined By. Evan, lazar guys today we are doing

756
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 8: a joint seven. Round mock we're Let let evan get

757
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 8: a little reaction.

758
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: To this this IS genuine i have. Not, Seen.

759
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 8: Yes, so evan before, we start we did no trades

760
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 8: and that's the right way to. Do it when we

761
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 8: get to SO before i get into, pick one, pretty

762
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 8: much there's been some Rumors That carter hunter won't, be

763
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 8: available so we we acted like they weren't on, The

764
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 8: board and, with that let's get. Into it, Pick One

765
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 8: will campbell L s u at, NUMBER. Four uh, second

766
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 8: round Pick a buka FROM. Os u Pick Three, Jack,

767
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 8: Sawyer yeah Pick Four carson swettinger mispronounced. That uh Pick

768
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 8: Five gunner helm Tight. End texas PICK Six dj giddons,

769
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 8: running Back, can state and Pick seven Seth McLaughlin. Ohio

770
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 8: state Pick Eight, kobe, King Linebacker, penn state and Pick

771
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 8: Nine jimmy, Horn. Junior colorado that doesn't.

772
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 7: Surprise me the last pick is the least surprising all.

773
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 7: Of those, but, yeah no That's a.

774
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: That's a, good, job guys a.

775
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 9: Good job.

776
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 7: YOU know i Think that campbell we've talked at at

777
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 7: nauseum on all the shows Everywhere About.

778
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: Will CAMPBELL so.

779
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 7: I think abuka is a really nice pick for them

780
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 7: because just a steady guy that you feel really good about,

781
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 7: his floor you feel really good about, his professionalism, his

782
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 7: hands his ro out, running ability his blocking ability in the.

783
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 7: Run game he's going to make an offensive coordinator very

784
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 7: Happy because he's going to be plug, and play easy,

785
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 7: to scheme easy to work around in. An offense, you

786
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 7: know you do worry a little bit, about speed, you

787
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 7: know long speed and ability to separate over. The top

788
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 7: but my com for him has Has Been jackson Smith.

789
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: AND jigbook i just think.

790
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 7: He's just gonna, say that just, a glider he's just a.

791
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 7: Smooth criminal it's.

792
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 8: Also crazy because he's done, so much but he's been

793
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 8: overshadowed by so many. Great receivers but he holds the

794
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 8: record right Now For. Ohio state so he's. A, scrub

795
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 8: yeah he's been there for a.

796
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: Long time.

797
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 7: You know you hear a little bit of, You Know

798
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 7: robert woods with, Him too like just one of those

799
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 7: guys is gonna do the. Dirty work that's going to

800
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 7: go into the. Dirty areas it's gonna go over the

801
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 7: middle of, the field.

802
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: Catch everything one of my one of my favorite Things

803
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 1: about abuka is that he's kind of like a. Route,

804
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: creator yeah you know he has he doesn't have that,

805
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: breakaway speed but he has that ability to get open

806
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: and find the open areas if there's a, breakdown route,

807
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: you know, and that like, you Said The jackson Smith

808
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: And jigba, calm like very very similar, body types very similar.

809
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 9: Play styles obviously both One To. Ohio state but, you.

810
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: Know that's one big thing with a book is how

811
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: much he can really extend.

812
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 7: To, play yeah he's he's got six years in, the,

813
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 7: Car RIGHT and i think that that's something that is

814
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 7: underrated about receiver play, in general is those guys that

815
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 7: can really change speeds mid round sort of set up.

816
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: Defensive back so it's a, good.

817
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 8: Pick yep so then We Had jack sawyer and this

818
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 8: was a big debate when he came up on the

819
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 8: board because there were some other. Edge rushers. We had

820
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 8: Stuart from michigan, was there and that was kind of the.

821
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 8: Big debate, But yeah sawyer was the option we.

822
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 4: Went WITH so i like both those guys.

823
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 7: A lot, You know i've gone back and Forth With

824
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 7: josiah stewart just because of. His size if they're gonna

825
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 7: be a true four down defense and not so much

826
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 7: use like a stand up three four, outside LINEBACKER then

827
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 7: i don't really Know where stuart fits into, That necessarily Whereas,

828
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 7: with sawyer like he's a hand in the dirt four

829
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 7: to three n for the next, five, Years right like

830
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 7: that's a guy that's going to be, a starter another.

831
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 7: SAFER pick i, would say you know what you're getting,

832
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 7: with him and the leadership and the intangibles just off.

833
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 7: The charts my Comp For jack Sawyer Is, Mike.

834
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 3: RABEL like i really, feel Like.

835
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 7: And i'm not, saying THAT like i know it's they

836
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 7: all Went To ohio state and they both. Are, captains

837
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 7: no but it's really when you watch, them play neither

838
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 7: one of them we're going to wow you with explosiveness

839
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 7: or athleticism or like be the the most twitched up

840
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 7: guy on. The field but they know how to. Play football,

841
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 7: they're smart they're intelligent guys in the. Football field they're.

842
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 7: Great leaders i'll never get the image out of my

843
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 7: Head with sawyer of him in the Middle Of ohio

844
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 7: state's huddle Before The national, championship game all eyes on

845
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 7: him and he's just in the middle rallying, the troops

846
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 7: getting everybody ready.

847
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 3: For battle Like That's, Jack SAWYER.

848
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: And i think that's the culture that they need to

849
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: start building Here In. NEW england i think That's what

850
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: rabel wants to start. Building here you need that guy

851
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: that they can look to in those sort of sort.

852
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: Of SITUATIONS so, i mean you kind of hit all the.

853
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: STOPS there, i agree.

854
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 8: All right so next We Had carson SWEESHINGER from ucla

855
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 8: linebacker thoughts on.

856
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: That, THERE yeah, i was, YOU know i was late

857
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: to him a.

858
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 7: LITTLE bit i didn't do the linebackers a ton just

859
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 7: because of all the free agent signings that they. Made

860
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 7: there but he's a very very good coverage player and

861
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 7: a very. Instinctive player he's got a little bit of

862
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 7: size to him compared to some of the other guys in,

863
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 7: that mold, You Know, Jeffrey Bossa, barrett carter those guys

864
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 7: are playing at, You Know Chris paul junior twenty five

865
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 7: sweastioningers closer to tow thirty five, to forty which. IS

866
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 7: good i think that that'll help him out IN the

867
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 7: nfl level be a little bit sturdier against. The run

868
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 7: but what you see with him, is range, you know sideline, to,

869
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 7: sideline speed ability to run with verticals in the middle of,

870
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 7: the field. And coverage he's got some really high level

871
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 7: coverage reps on. His tape so if you're one, of those,

872
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 7: you know You're a patriot fan that's starving for, more

873
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 7: athleticism more speed at the, second level he's definitely checking.

874
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 8: Those boxes so the next, two picks we Had A

875
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 8: gunner Helm from texas tight end AND Then dj Giddens From.

876
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 8: Kansas state this Is where CHRIS and i were kind

877
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 8: of starting to argue a little because there was a

878
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 8: lot of talent still on, the board so we're trying

879
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 8: to see where.

880
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 4: IT fell i think.

881
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talent in the middle rounds, for

882
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: sure for tight end and for. RUNNING back, i mean

883
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: we're Looking At devin neil. As, well yep we Really Like,

884
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: devin neil but we kind of had that MINDSET On

885
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: dj giddens kind of has that receiver back.

886
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 9: In him he was awesome in the run game.

887
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: This, past year the ref rovers thirteen. Hundred yards this

888
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: he's in like absolute freak.

889
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 8: On offense so McDaniels likes those receiving running backs.

890
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 9: And stuff so And also, HELM too i mean just

891
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 9: a prototypical.

892
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: Tight, end yeah, you, know yeah just so really he's

893
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: very appealing to, the eye especially the page's two older.

894
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 9: Tight, ends, yeah yeah.

895
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 7: You know Starting With. Gunner helm so he he injured

896
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 7: his ankle like right before the forty, yard dash ended

897
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 7: up running a pretty bad forty yard dash of, the

898
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 7: combine but it. Was understandable, you know he shared a

899
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 7: picture of it on social media and that thing was

900
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 7: swollen up. And EVERYTHING so i think you can you

901
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 7: can kind of right off. The FORTY like i think

902
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 7: if they, drafted him a lot of people would be

903
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 7: like four to eight, tight end like what are? We

904
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 7: DOING but i would ignore the forty yard dash. With

905
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 7: him my comp for Him Is. HUNTER henry i think

906
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 7: he's just kind. Of crafty he's got. Enough juice if

907
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 7: you want him to run, the seam if you want

908
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 7: him to run a, shallow like he can. Do That

909
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 7: but i'd say he's probably one of the better tight

910
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 7: ends on angular routes and then obviously finding some spots

911
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 7: and zone coverage and just being quarterback friendly over the

912
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 7: middle of. The field he uses his physicality well at

913
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 7: the top of. The route he's not a difference, making

914
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 7: blocker but he can hold.

915
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: His own, you know he.

916
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 7: Can block he can still. Make guys, you know he'll,

917
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 7: be okay he'll be serviceable as an. Inline BLOCKER so

918
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 7: i see a Lot Of hunter henry, With, HIM like

919
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 7: i think he's just gonna be, a steady reliable quarterback friendly,

920
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 7: security blanket which you know. All no and Then, With

921
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 7: giddins gettins is fun to me because like you know

922
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 7: when you talk about like your your friends at the

923
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 7: why that just got those crafty basketball moves but like

924
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 7: is not athletic necessarily but just knows how. To hoop

925
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 7: LIKE That's. Dj GIDDENS Like dj giddons has some really

926
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 7: like kind of weird moves and like weird body movements,

927
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 7: and uh you know that kind, of stuff but like it,

928
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 7: just WORKS like i, you know it's just one of

929
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 7: those things that that just gets the.

930
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: Job done.

931
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 7: He's, elusive uh he's really good between. THE tackles i

932
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 7: think he's probably one of the better guys in. That

933
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 7: range is like a pure between the tackles. Running back,

934
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 7: YOU know i think there's a lot of speed guys

935
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 7: at that point in. The draft you know Two In,

936
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 7: jaden blue You Know bishard SMITH. From smu but if

937
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 7: you want a guy that can play a little bit

938
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 7: on early downs too and and make some things happen with.

939
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 7: The BALL but i just, WATCHING him i, was like

940
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 7: this guy is kind, Of wonky like he's kind of

941
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 7: he's kind of crafty.

942
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 8: WITH it i like that, about him, All right so

943
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 8: let's finish. Up here We got seth McLaughlan From, Ohio STATE,

944
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 8: big osu one of. My favorites was A big, chris

945
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 8: pick and then we'll get to the. Other two We

946
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 8: Had kobe King Linebacker, penn state And Then, jimmy horn

947
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 8: which was a bit more. Best available had some Fun With. Jimmy.

948
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 7: Horn yeah so, you know first, of all, with McLaughlin

949
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 7: it's a good it's a, good pick the, shrewd pick

950
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 7: because you know he's coming off the injury tours achilles

951
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 7: in practice last Year, in november so we might be

952
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 7: looking at a red shirt rookie season. For him but You,

953
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 7: Have garrett Bradberry and house at center that can play

954
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 7: the position for twenty.

955
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: Twenty five and if.

956
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 7: McLachlan, was healthy he'd be the best center in, the draft.

957
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 7: You know so he would be a third or fourth

958
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 7: round pick probably at. That position so you, draft him,

959
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 7: you know a little bit later than that because of,

960
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 7: the injury but in twenty, twenty six if he Was

961
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 7: the patriots, starting, CENTER like i wouldn't. BE shocked i

962
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 7: think that that's. A possibility so THAT that i like about.

963
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 7: That pick, you know you're, looking, ahead right you're, thinking

964
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 7: ahead and you have those extra day three picks now

965
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 7: at the extra fifth in the, Two seventh so it

966
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 7: makes some. SENSE there i think betweting Him And, drew,

967
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 7: kendall like those are the two guys at Center that

968
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 7: i've got my eye on For. The patriots one of

969
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 7: those guys is going to Be.

970
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 9: A patriot i. DON'T know I like kendall, a LOT

971
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 9: but i really.

972
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: Liked yeah, so yeah is that kind of that red

973
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: shirt year if he took you his first season here

974
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: and kind of Falls, Behind bradbury So give bradbury. A chance,

975
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: BUT yeah i really liked everything you Did At. Ohio

976
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: STATE and i mean he's kind of a. Field general

977
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: he kind of just runs. The show he's a, true center.

978
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: So, yep yep he's a little bit more.

979
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 7: PLAY strength i, would say, You know kendall's a really,

980
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 7: good athlete really, athletic CENTER whereas i think mclaughlan's, you know, big,

981
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 7: ten right like a little bit more tougher and a

982
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 7: hard nose.

983
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: And that kind. Of.

984
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 8: Stuff yep And So kobe king linebacker that was kind

985
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 8: of best player on. The, BOARD yeah, i know we

986
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 8: had some Fun With. Jimmy horn you, KNOW me I Like.

987
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 8: COACH prime i think there's anything wrong with picking up

988
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 8: another receiver at. The end see how they.

989
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 7: Pan out, he's fast right like you're Gonna have you're

990
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 7: gonna have a four to three for, you know high,

991
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 7: FOUR threes i would say is. PROBABLY realistic i think

992
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 7: his pro day was like four, three FIVE and i,

993
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 7: WAS like i don't know if he's, that fast but,

994
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 7: YOU know i think four to four flat to, you

995
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 7: know four three eight is probably a good spot. For

996
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 7: him and if there's one THING that i know for

997
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 7: Sure that drake may, can do it's throw the.

998
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: Go ball so if.

999
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 7: You get him As many goball receivers as, you can

1000
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 7: there's nothing wrong. With that so you Throw a horn

1001
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 7: in There With Kai shan Boudi With javon, baker maybe,

1002
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 7: you know and try to compete for that vertical stretch type.

1003
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 9: Of role he's he's sort of like. A, jitterbug yeah

1004
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 9: that's THE way i would.

1005
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: Just try he's kind of a jitterbug out in the,

1006
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: open field kind of moves, really well obviously has a ton,

1007
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: of SPEED and, i think, you know it's an.

1008
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 9: APPEALING pick i don't know if they're gonna take.

1009
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 8: Him, there yeah it's just, you know let's have some

1010
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 8: fun at the end of, the, draft Because like evan

1011
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 8: said in, the past we need a. FAIRWAY draft i

1012
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 8: think we kind of. Hit, that yeah touched up upon

1013
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 8: a bit. Upon everything so what letter grade would you

1014
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 8: Give the CHRIS and t?

1015
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 9: Spot overall.

1016
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 7: THAT'S it i think what you said Is, fair like

1017
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 7: it's a good. Fairway draft it's a good. Realistic draft,

1018
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 7: YOU know i see a lot of, mock Drafts and

1019
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 7: i'm not trying to, throw SHADE but i see a

1020
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 7: lot of mock drafts where people are taking guys that

1021
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 7: are going to go two rounds earlier, or like, you know.

1022
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 7: Something crazy THIS one i think is more or. Less realistic,

1023
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 7: You know buka might go a little bit earlier than,

1024
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 7: thirty eight that might need to be a. Trade up but,

1025
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 7: IN general i think all these guys are going TO be,

1026
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 7: nfl players Right And will campbell hopefully be better. Than

1027
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 7: that but, You, Know Bukah, Jack, sawyer sweahingert like those

1028
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 7: guys are going to be good to, QUALITY starters i

1029
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 7: would say IN the nfl at their respective positions and

1030
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 7: type of this type. Of draft that's what you're. Going for,

1031
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 7: you know we all want to see them hit on

1032
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 7: like an all pro, caliber player, you know like they

1033
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 7: did a couple of years Ago. With gonzo, BUT realistically

1034
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 7: i think that this is what we're.

1035
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 8: Looking, at awesome, All right CHRISTY plus b plus. We'll,

1036
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 8: plus yeah we'll take.

1037
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 9: That, PAIR.

1038
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah b plus.

1039
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 9: That's better that's that's your playing on.

1040
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 8: The greens we'll take you. Have it thank you so

1041
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 8: much for joining our little mock. Draft, segment guys we're

1042
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 8: gonna go to the offensive, line next where we'll Talk

1043
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 8: About will campbell and maybe McLoughlin. As well so let's

1044
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 8: get to that.

1045
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 5: Segment next we're here talking the, offensive line, And guys

1046
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 5: i'm gonna say that this might be what we're most

1047
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 5: qualified to talk About, BECAUSE chris i don't know, about

1048
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 5: YOU but i was an offensive tackle in. High school

1049
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 5: here at my one hundred and ninety. Five pounds did

1050
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 5: you play a little old?

1051
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 3: Tackle?

1052
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: Too guard little little, little guard little center were derailed

1053
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: by the, foot injury.

1054
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 9: But you don't want to get.

1055
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: Into, details, sees guys your size OF why i gave

1056
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 5: up FOOTBALL because i was not big enough to be.

1057
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 5: A tackle so, jokes, aside though it's a big position

1058
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 5: to need For, the patriots and we're gonna touch. On

1059
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 5: guards we're gonna talk a little bit on centers. As

1060
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 5: well just off the, top though i'mnna start, With, you

1061
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 5: chris just, real quick, offensive tackle, offensive, Guard center how

1062
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 5: would you rank those positions of need For?

1063
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 8: THE patriots i.

1064
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 9: Would, say, one two three has to, be tackle. CENTER'S

1065
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 9: guards i.

1066
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: Think you have a lot of guards, right now a

1067
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: lot of young guards kind of that you're working. With

1068
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: currently you want to see kind of what you're gonna

1069
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: do the cold strange, as well so you have that

1070
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: in there In. Play city so is still on. The

1071
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: team you know a lot of guys that you've been

1072
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: working with over the last couple. Of years you want

1073
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: to kind of see what you can do. With them but,

1074
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: FOR me i think obviously the Release Of david andrews

1075
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: important fill there, at center and, OF course i mean

1076
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: they don't have a left TACKLE and i think that

1077
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: just has to be your point.

1078
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 8: Of, emphasis yeah you teet, It up Chris.

1079
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 4: And evan this.

1080
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 5: Is it we're finally the moment in draft countdown where

1081
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 5: we're going to Talk About will campbell all, right now

1082
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 5: we've Talked About. Will campbell i's, gonna say finally to,

1083
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 5: this point but this is the official draft count down

1084
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 5: Discussion Of, will CAMPBELL and i know we're going to

1085
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 5: talk about but let me just set the stage a.

1086
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 5: LITTLE bit, i mean this guy's been starting a left

1087
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 5: tackle since he was freshman in. High school he's Two TIME.

1088
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 5: All sec he is highly, highly athletic but he.

1089
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 4: Has some questions about.

1090
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 5: His length.

1091
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 8: I've heard is that is?

1092
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 7: That?

1093
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 4: Correct evan is that how you would?

1094
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: Put it you might you might, Say, that mike you might.

1095
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 7: SAY that i think the biggest thing to on the

1096
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 7: pro Side For will campbell as, a tackle he wins with.

1097
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 7: His feet he's not trying to win with great size or.

1098
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 7: Great length he wins with, his feet and he is

1099
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 7: a fantastic mirror in past protection with his feet, inside

1100
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 7: outside really protects the edge very. Very well but when

1101
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 7: he does get his hands, on people he's got cinderblocks,

1102
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 7: For hands he's got very, strong core and he's got

1103
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 7: that ability to get your hands inside and really end

1104
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 7: reps quickly and, you know control blocks and things. LIKE

1105
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 7: that i think some of the concerns that people have

1106
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 7: with the length they're valid in some respects that you

1107
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 7: see at times that he'll drift out to his past

1108
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 7: sets trying to get guys off his outside shoulder and

1109
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 7: that will open up. The inside so you see a

1110
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 7: lot of inside moves get to him. At TIMES but

1111
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 7: I would i don't see a ton of is bull

1112
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 7: rushers or edge rushers on, the edge, you know cutting

1113
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 7: that speed to turn. THE corner i think he protects

1114
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 7: the corner. Pretty well but you have to understand that

1115
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 7: there are limitations that he's going to have to work

1116
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 7: around with his. Arm length but at the, same time

1117
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 7: he's the best blocker in. THE draft i have had

1118
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 7: him as the number one offensive lineman from wire to

1119
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 7: wire here in this, draft PROCESS and i think it's

1120
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 7: by a pretty. WIDE margin i would say that he's

1121
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 7: the best. Offensive lineman just.

1122
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: To just to jump in on it with the, arm length,

1123
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: You know i've never been a full believer, in that did?

1124
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 4: You EVER.

1125
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: So i.

1126
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 4: Could not.

1127
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: But that, BEING said I Mean, will campbell like, you

1128
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: said he's been playing left tackle his. Whole career he

1129
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: knows how to play the position and arm length at,

1130
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: that point like, he again he's already been doing.

1131
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 9: It well like it shouldn't be that much of.

1132
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: A discussion i know is important to, talk about, and

1133
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: like OBVIOUSLY the nfl defensive ends and ed rushers are

1134
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: much different, from college, you know just different beasts on

1135
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: that side of.

1136
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 9: The ball but he knows how to play. THE position

1137
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 9: i think that's what's.

1138
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: Important MOST and I Mean travis Hunter and abdulcutter and on,

1139
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: THE board i really think it's hard to Not Go.

1140
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 5: Will, campbell yeah and he did IN the, sec two

1141
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 5: which of course it's a badge of Honor For. Will

1142
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 5: campbell the OTHER guy i really want to highlight before

1143
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 5: we kind of start grouping players a, little bit Is

1144
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 5: armand membo blew up.

1145
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: The combine three.

1146
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 5: Year starter right tackle six four three, thirty two built

1147
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 5: like a, right tackle some maybe, discussion now could he

1148
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 5: possibly move to left tackle with his athleticism doesn't have the.

1149
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 5: IDEAL link i would say height problem. For him but

1150
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 5: have he blew up? The combine and after we, got

1151
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 5: back all of, a sudden we had mock drafts popping

1152
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 5: Up with membo being the pick.

1153
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 7: Fourth, overall yeah and when you watch his tape to

1154
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 7: the movement skills and the athleticism show up all over,

1155
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 7: the film especially in the, RUN game i would say

1156
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 7: he's really good at reaching blocks on the line, of scrimmage,

1157
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 7: you know the front. Side end you pull them inside

1158
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 7: and allow those runners to get. The corner he can

1159
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 7: get up to the, second level he, can combo he

1160
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 7: can hit somebody on the, first level get up to

1161
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 7: the second level on a corner safety. Or linebacker so

1162
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 7: he's really talented and you can. See that and pass

1163
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 7: protection gets out of his stands, pretty well slides. PRETTY

1164
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 7: well i think the one THING that i had hesitation

1165
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 7: with him on his. Game tape, you know first, of

1166
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 7: all as a run blocker can get a little over

1167
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 7: zealous and get a little, bit extended over extended and

1168
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 7: like guys, you know backdoor him and things. Like that

1169
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 7: but in, pass protection there's not a TON of nfl

1170
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 7: style dropbacks on. His Film, at missouri particularly, last year

1171
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 7: they run a lot of. Moving pockets they chip a

1172
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 7: lot with their running backs and tight ends coming out of,

1173
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 7: the backfield so they don't necessarily put their tackles on

1174
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 7: islands like.

1175
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: You SAW with Lsu And.

1176
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 7: Will campbell so when you're trying to translate him to,

1177
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 7: left tackle do we have enough evidence that he can

1178
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 7: pass protect on the blind side at a highlight level

1179
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 7: To Keep drake.

1180
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 3: MAY clean i don't know if we necessarily.

1181
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 7: Have that it's probably a little bit more Projecting for

1182
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 7: membu in that respect than it would Be for campbell.

1183
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 9: To kind of go off.

1184
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 6: Of that.

1185
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: EVAN too, i mean you already kind of made that

1186
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: kind of trial and Error With, kayten wallace of course

1187
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: primary right Tackle At.

1188
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 9: Penn state tried him on the.

1189
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: Left side he did, get hurt so you don't know

1190
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: exactly what he's capable, of there but there's probably. Still

1191
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: POTENTIAL but i just think you need that true been playing. The,

1192
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: position yeah that's kind of my.

1193
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 4: Take off You Signed morgan.

1194
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 8: Moses Too.

1195
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 5: Kadon wallace we Here From elliot wolf down at the,

1196
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 5: owners meetings feeling like it seems like you're, gonna have,

1197
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 5: you know a Right Side kaden wallace probably gonna be

1198
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 5: maybe a, swing tackle but most likely on the. RIGHT

1199
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 5: side i want to go down the list a little.

1200
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 5: Bit here i'll throw a few names, at. You guys

1201
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 5: names we've heard a lot though over the course of mock,

1202
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 5: draft season which of course plenty of mock drafts.

1203
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 4: Out there you want to go.

1204
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 5: Find one But Between, calvin banks who was maybe in

1205
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 5: the conversation early On With will campbell up near, The Top,

1206
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 5: josh connery another guy has seen plenty of, mock drafts,

1207
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 5: very athletic ariante ursery just three. Popular names and the

1208
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 5: Last one i'll throw in There Is, josh simmons who

1209
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 5: could possibly be the best left tackle eventually in this

1210
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 5: class if, he didn't, you know.

1211
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 4: Get hurt this past season was off to a really.

1212
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 5: Promising START stat i Saw On, josh simmons, you know

1213
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 5: only allow, you know just, highly, athletic big but a

1214
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 5: little bit of. Projection there maybe not What the patriots

1215
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 5: need for some. Immediate health just overall when you look

1216
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 5: at that group of what do you?

1217
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: Take, away Yeah With, kelvin banks are going to steal

1218
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 3: a phrase.

1219
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 7: From you he's kind of in the doughnut to me

1220
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 7: of Like the patriots at four And the patriots at.

1221
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 3: Thirty eight maybe he follows a little.

1222
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 7: Bit further than people think and they could slide up

1223
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 7: to like twenty or, twenty one twenty two.

1224
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: That range and Still Get.

1225
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 7: Kelvin BANKS but i see him as a guy through

1226
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 7: and through that goes in the teams of most drafts at.

1227
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 7: That position really good, run blocker really athletic. Run blocker

1228
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 7: but you watch his Tape against clemson In The College

1229
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 7: football playoff and he was just dominant in that game

1230
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 7: in the, run Game Sprung jaden blue for like an eighty,

1231
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 7: yard touchdown, you know just going right. Behind him so

1232
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 7: there's a lot of That With. Calvin banks it's a positives.

1233
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 7: FOR him i think his, body controlling his balance and

1234
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 7: pass protection is where people knock him a.

1235
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: Little bit, you know when he has to.

1236
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 7: Get out and redirect and mirror guys out on, the

1237
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 7: edge he can sometimes lose his balance and his body

1238
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 7: control get a little wild with. His technique so there's

1239
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 7: some things to work on there with him in. That

1240
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 7: RESPECT but i still feel like he's a pretty plug

1241
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 7: and play tackle in. The pros and when you, have

1242
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 7: that those guys usually go, Top twenty like you're not

1243
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 7: usually looking at those guys late some of the other

1244
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 7: guys You mentioned Ursery, and connerly, to me is a.

1245
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 7: Flavor thing it just depends on what kind of tackle.

1246
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 7: You want, You know ursery is a, bigger guy, you know,

1247
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 7: six six three hundred and, thirty pounds three hundred and.

1248
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 3: Forty pounds he has all of the big, tackle.

1249
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 7: Tools right, you know he's a, people mover he's a great,

1250
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 7: Run blocker he's athletic for. His size he gets out

1251
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 7: of his, stance quickly but he can really dent the line.

1252
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 7: Of scrimmage, you know you can run right behind him

1253
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 7: on the goal line and have a pretty good idea

1254
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 7: that you're going to get the. Football In So, Trent Brown,

1255
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 7: orlando brown, you know like those kinds Of guys like

1256
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 7: that's kind OF what i See. With ursery connerly is

1257
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 7: the more athletic of, the two but, he's smaller better,

1258
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 7: pass protector moves a little bit better in terms of

1259
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 7: that type. Of STUFF but i think that's just what you're, looking.

1260
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 7: At right do you want the people moving tackle or

1261
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 7: do you want the high level. Pass protector and you

1262
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 7: kind of have to side between those two two typically

1263
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 7: eileen towards the pass protector when you're talking about the,

1264
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 7: blind side but in general that that's where. We're at and,

1265
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 7: last one, You, know simmons he easily could have been

1266
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 7: the best left tackle in the draft if he had.

1267
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 7: Stayed healthy but there's. TWO things a he's, not healthy,

1268
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 7: you know that's a big. One tear so that's that's

1269
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 7: usually a year off, from football calendar year off. From

1270
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 7: football so you, have that you might be looking at

1271
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 7: him red shirting as. A rookie i don't know If

1272
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 7: the patriots are in the camp of being able to

1273
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 7: red shirt first, round. PICKS right i think they need

1274
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 7: their guys to play and to make an impact. Early

1275
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 7: ON and i would also just mention because of, the

1276
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 7: injury he did not get to the Meat Of ohio.

1277
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 7: State schedule so he played beat up on bad, competition

1278
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 7: basically Is what i'm. Getting at so when He, played

1279
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 7: oregon when He, played michigan when he played teams In

1280
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 7: The College, football playoff like what he had still been

1281
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 7: dominant against. Those teams will. Never know and that's the. Tough,

1282
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 7: PART yeah i just. REAL quick i got to. Jump

1283
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 7: in just ONE thing i watched over the course of my.

1284
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 5: Film study was there. On YouTube you guys can. Find

1285
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 5: It It's josh Connolly Versus. Abdul, carter yeah and that

1286
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 5: matchup just shows How Athletic josh. Connolly is that's what you're,

1287
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 5: looking for that left, tackle position, GREAT feet, I Mean

1288
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 5: abdull carter, Highly Athletic. Josh connolly connolly was able to moot.

1289
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 5: With him impressive, To, me chris what do you got on?

1290
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: Those, GUYS yeah i mean Talking About kelvin banks. LIVE

1291
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: earlier i really like his second. Level blocking if it's

1292
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: all as he's saying in, the box if he gets

1293
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: outsiding off you a, little ify But Love kelvin banks

1294
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: at the. Second level connolly kind of. Same thing can

1295
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: kind of get, out there help you in, run blocking

1296
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: but also a great. Pass protector another guy that we.

1297
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 9: Haven't Mentioned.

1298
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: Hyatt milliam he's been playing LEFT tackle i think thirty

1299
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: three games Straight At, west virginia so you know he's really.

1300
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: Comfortable there another guy really great in. Pass PROTECTION so,

1301
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: i think as we've said time and, time again you.

1302
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: NEED that i think primary. Left tackle you know that's

1303
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: what you're.

1304
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 4: Looking for You saw melon down at the senior.

1305
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 8: Ball.

1306
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 7: Right Yeah SO millim i think is gonna play guard

1307
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 7: at the. Next level he's a little bit. SHORTER arms

1308
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 7: i know we had talked about That With, will campbell

1309
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 7: but his arms are in the lower end of the

1310
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 7: thirty two range. For tackle it's probably not likely and

1311
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 7: he's kind of a power, oriented player so it looks

1312
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 7: like he'd fit win well. At guard he actually took

1313
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 7: some reps at center two down, in mobiles so they're

1314
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 7: looking at him as maybe somebody that could play all

1315
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 7: three positions on.

1316
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: THE interier I Love.

1317
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 7: WYATT milliam i think that that's like a great third

1318
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 7: round pick option For the patriots as somebody that could

1319
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 7: Probably play day one at left guard if they wanted.

1320
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 7: Him TO and i know they have some names that

1321
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 7: they could throw at a left guard with their recent,

1322
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 7: draft picks but if they really wanted to remake the

1323
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 7: left side of the, offensive line and they came out

1324
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 7: of this Draft with Campbell And, wiltt milin like that's

1325
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 7: the left side for the next, five years, you know

1326
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 7: or maybe. Even LONGER so i feel really good about him.

1327
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 7: At guard maybe not so much, at tackle but there

1328
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 7: are some DEVELOPMENTAL tackles i think are. Interesting too, you

1329
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 7: Know Just charles Grant from William, and mary a really,

1330
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 7: great athlete probably has to be remade in, pass protection

1331
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 7: but an awesome run blocker already just pops off, the tape,

1332
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 7: you know against that. Level Competition anthony Belton From enzie

1333
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 7: state another GUY that i think can have some tools

1334
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 7: and has some upside maybe as a. DEVELOPMENTAL player i

1335
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 7: know you were going To Mention, Logan, brown.

1336
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, kid, yes yeah a little bit of, ro big all,

1337
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 5: the sides all, the measurables just raw one season as. A,

1338
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 5: startup yeah.

1339
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 7: And, you know he he had some Issues at wisconsin

1340
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 7: that they'll have to vet off, the field ended up

1341
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 7: leaving that program and Going, To kansas so that's kind

1342
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 7: of knocked him down the board a. Little BIT but

1343
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 7: i think, tools wise, you know he would be a

1344
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 7: top one hundred pick if it was just based off of,

1345
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 7: the football but unfortunately he had an incident with a

1346
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 7: Teammate at wisconsin and it caused him. To transfer, so.

1347
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 5: Yeah just to put a boat here on the, TACKLE

1348
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 5: class I gotta i gotta MENTION our, Bc Guy. AUSIE

1349
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 5: tropello i know you, saw him, giant guy, right tackle

1350
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 5: played a little left tackle early in his CAREER, at

1351
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 5: bc but it seems like he's added maybe a little

1352
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 5: bit of Weight even but he's an ascending kind. OF

1353
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 5: prospect i just don't know guys like if they need

1354
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 5: to take a right tackle. Right now it just feels

1355
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 5: like if you're going to draft the tackle in, this

1356
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 5: class you at least need some kind of hope that

1357
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 5: maybe he's going to be able to get on the

1358
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 5: left side, Anybody Else, so chris for you down the

1359
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 5: list that we didn't.

1360
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 4: Mention, honestly yeah, all, right cool let's move on.

1361
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 5: Just guards and centers and. You guys you said at, The,

1362
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 5: top chris a lot of guards on. The offense you're

1363
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 5: hoping that some of those guys. WORK out i mean

1364
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 5: they've thrown a lot at the wall over the last.

1365
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 4: Few years at.

1366
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 5: That position not a lot right now you feel confident, About,

1367
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 5: that oh we We got we're all Set With layden.

1368
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 5: ROBINSON there i think personally i'd love To see robinson

1369
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 5: work out of left guard and we don't have to think.

1370
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 5: About it, but again they're gonna have to prove it on.

1371
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 5: The field just a few guys go to throw out.

1372
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 5: At Guard greys abel, outstanding athlete lower level school And

1373
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 5: See North. Dakota state but another guy you saw At

1374
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 5: The senior bowl and probably a first.

1375
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 7: Round, pick fantastic like just a fantastic. FOOTBALL player i

1376
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 7: see a lot of all. Five, POSITIONS yeah i see

1377
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 7: a Lot.

1378
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 9: Of joe toney in.

1379
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 7: His game you know he's probably gonna play to guard after,

1380
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 7: playing tackle mostly. In college but there's a really good

1381
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 7: track record of moving left tackles from college to the

1382
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 7: left guard in The Pro, Zach Martin, Joe Toney, Brandon

1383
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 7: Sheriff Elijah, Vera tucker like the list goes on, and

1384
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 7: ON and i think. He's next he's going to be

1385
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 7: next in. That line, just athletic great, pass protector plays

1386
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 7: with great leverage and hand strength in a bolt of

1387
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 7: run and. PASS game i couldn't say enough good things

1388
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 7: About grays abel. Like that i'm the doughnut, two though

1389
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 7: Absolutely stud he's going to be a hell of a

1390
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 7: player for a long. Long time, BUT this i, would say,

1391
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 7: you know just, in general looking at, this draft this

1392
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 7: is a strength at the draft is interior, offensive line

1393
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 7: especially when you figure in all the tackles that, in

1394
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 7: college tackles that could, Move inside like we were just

1395
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 7: Talking about milom And You donovan jackson played a little

1396
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 7: Tackle At, ohio State and Zabel And cam Williams from

1397
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 7: texas might.

1398
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 3: Move inside campbell obviously might.

1399
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 7: Move inside so there's a bunch of guards in this

1400
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 7: draft that are really. Really appealing it just as a

1401
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 7: matter of how early Did the patriots want to jump on.

1402
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 7: A guard and they Do have robinson and So and

1403
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 7: strange and some guys that they've already picked early the

1404
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 7: last couple. Of YEARS but i think a lot of

1405
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 7: those guys in this draft are better than some of

1406
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 7: the guys they have currently on.

1407
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 5: The, roster CHRIS before i, Go you i'm gonna throw

1408
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 5: one more guy in, The Mix Tyler. Booker alabama i'm

1409
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 5: almost only putting him on right now because his cool

1410
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 5: Thing with colmin is he loves taking the love of.

1411
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 8: The game away. From people Just that.

1412
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 5: Mahler mentality that to Me Screams.

1413
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 4: MIKE rabele i heard him.

1414
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 5: Say THAT then i turned on the tape of him

1415
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 5: and he's just running, it full knocking him to.

1416
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 4: The ground really.

1417
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 9: Tough, PLAYER yeah, I Mean tyler bergee is a natural.

1418
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: Football power like he lines up on, the field he's

1419
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: just gonna he's gonna hunt. You down that's just how

1420
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: that's the ovisive line, Of mentality like you're gonna line

1421
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: up in front, Of me i'm gonna beat you off.

1422
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 9: The ball that's just how it's. Gonna be the other

1423
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 9: two guys want To mention.

1424
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: Georgia Guys tate Ralage And dylan fairchild both really Solid,

1425
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: guards fairchild both of them better and.

1426
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 9: Pass protected.

1427
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: Pass protection fairchild kind of hit still mats at the

1428
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: front of the line on. RUN game i want to

1429
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: see him working on the spot work a little, bit

1430
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: MORE BUT i o would sly those two guys are.

1431
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 8: Really, solid yeah one more eye just still throw.

1432
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 5: In There donovan jackson who went over to left Tackle

1433
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 5: for simmons when he. Got hurt another guy he's probably

1434
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 5: first first, round pick top, fifty pick plug and play kind.

1435
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 3: Of, guys yeah.

1436
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 7: Really smooth just you see the way. HE moves i

1437
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 7: think definitely fits. More guard just the body type and

1438
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 7: the play style is more guard. Than tackle but You,

1439
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 7: mentioned BOOKER and i Wouldn't rule booker out at. Thirty

1440
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 7: eight he did not have a. Great combine you don't

1441
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 7: see guards typically drafted high, in general but especially guards

1442
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 7: that aren't great athletes don't get drafted high. In general

1443
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 7: the amount of business decisions that people Made when booker

1444
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 7: was pulling up to the second d literally not a

1445
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 7: single person wanted to get in front of that. Freight

1446
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 7: train like it was incredible to watch the amount of

1447
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 7: guys that would just start, backing up like, all, right

1448
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 7: yeah you, got, it dude so downhill run Game, at

1449
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 7: alabama like they love. Pulling guards they love smash mouth Football.

1450
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 7: In tuscaloosa josh McDaniels loves smash. Mouth football That's a. Patriot,

1451
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 7: guard like That's a. Patriot GUARD so i could. See

1452
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 7: him good Shout. WITH fairchild i loved. HIS tape i

1453
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 7: thought he's kind of underrated in. This draft, former college

1454
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 7: a high. SCHOOL wrestler i should say he went one

1455
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 7: hundred and sixty two to zero in his high school,

1456
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 7: wrestling career, never lost which. Is incredible two time. State

1457
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 7: champion and you can, see that, you know on, his

1458
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 7: tape just the way that he can grapple with guys

1459
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 7: and leverage guys and things. Like that so he's a really,

1460
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 7: good blocker, really versatile can do a bunch of. Different

1461
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 7: THINGS so i could see him being an option to at.

1462
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 5: Left card, all, right lastly let's just move on to the.

1463
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 5: Center position always really hard. To project these guys are

1464
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 5: not usually, the top, you know first few rounds of.

1465
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 5: The draft it's more, very, specific need very specific player

1466
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 5: that you're going to. BE selecting i just want to

1467
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 5: Throw out seth, mcla McGlaughlin who run, the One The

1468
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 5: rimington trophy is the best center of, the nation and

1469
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 5: of course keeping A Local, drew kendall Son Of pete

1470
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 5: kendall UP. AT bc i know you saw him as

1471
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 5: well AT The Bc.

1472
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 7: Pro, day yeah those are two GUYS that i would

1473
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 7: look at. At Center and i'd also just mention some

1474
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 7: of these guys that we talked about. MOVING inside a

1475
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 7: lot of these guys are taking reps at center during

1476
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 7: the pre. Draft process, You Know Zabel milam bolt did

1477
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 7: it In The. Senior bowl so is there a chance

1478
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 7: that one of those guys ends up at center? LONG

1479
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 7: term i would, Say yes but those are the two.

1480
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 7: True centers and McLaughlin had a bad injury last Year

1481
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 7: At ohio state in practice Unfortunately tours achilles so's, he's

1482
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 7: injured Just Like. Josh simmons so you're kind of getting

1483
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 7: into that same conversation there. With him but maybe you

1484
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 7: do get him now later on date because of, the

1485
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 7: injury and you stash Him Behind gaarre bradbury for a

1486
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 7: year and maybe he's your center in twenty. TWENTY six

1487
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 7: i don't. Hate That And drew kendall just makes so

1488
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 7: much sense, for them, You Know doug maron was there

1489
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 7: last Year the patriots offensive Line coach bill O'Brien and josh. McDaniels'

1490
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 7: offenses they're very. Adjacent center, you know obviously a big

1491
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 7: mental load on, the CENTER and i feel like that

1492
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 7: would be a seamless transition for him into those. Two

1493
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 7: PLAYBOOKS so i think that makes all the sense in.

1494
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 7: The world but he's getting a lot of buzz right

1495
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 7: now and he's starting to climb the board a, Little

1496
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 7: BIT so i think you're looking at mid day Three

1497
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 7: For Drew kendall Gunny, Centers, CHRIS.

1498
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Speaker 9: Yeah i just want to Touch On drew kendell. THE lot,

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Speaker 9: i mean it's awesome ability.

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Speaker 1: As, well yeah it's very pleasing to get outside on

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Speaker 1: screen passes and kind of lead the charge like, that's

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Speaker 1: huge especially when you need the speed at center as

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Speaker 1: you're the third guy.

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Speaker 9: Out there, you know you gotta gotta be.

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Speaker 1: Out FRONT so i Really Like, drew kendall but a

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Speaker 1: couple Other Guys JONAH monheim usc he has a great first.

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Speaker 1: STEP there i Really Liked eli cox Out of kentucky

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Speaker 1: KIND of sec one OF the, sec tackles.

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Speaker 9: So he has that going.

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Speaker 1: For him he has a, really great great speed also

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Speaker 1: really good second level blocker on the.

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Speaker 9: Run game kind of needs a little more help in.

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Speaker 1: Pass PRO but i, mean again you like to run

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Speaker 1: the ball Here In, new england Especially with Mandre and

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Speaker 1: gibson there in, The backfield so there's that Upside In

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Speaker 1: marie smith Out Of.

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Speaker 5: Florida state, All, right well that's gonna cover the. Offensive

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Speaker 5: line big position to need, of course starts with the.

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Speaker 5: Tackle position could Be a patriots potential pick at, fourth

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Speaker 5: overall and that's going to do it for this Edition

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Speaker 5: A Patriots draft countdown Presented By. Bud light only one

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Speaker 5: more pre recorded episode, to go and in, that one

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Speaker 5: we're going to be talking about the, wide receivers the,

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Speaker 5: tight ends and the.

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Speaker 4: Running backs it's a.

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Speaker 5: Fun one that's the one we all look, forward to

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Speaker 5: and that's why today.

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Speaker 3: The.

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Speaker 4: Well no question left tackle is a.

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Speaker 5: Big need but also to tease our, final show we're

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Speaker 5: going to be Live On. Draft day, of course at

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Speaker 5: night we'll be live WITH The, pu show but earlier

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Speaker 5: in the day about, one pm we'll be running a

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Speaker 5: live show here The Final Patriots. Draft countdown have some

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Speaker 5: fun as we're all waiting for the draft. To start

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Speaker 5: so thanks for tuning into, this episode and we'll be

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Speaker 5: back next week with.

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Speaker 8: Another ONE

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Speaker 3: Mm hm