WEBVTT - SYMHC Classics: Bracero Program

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Saturday, everybody. In a couple of weeks, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing an episode on the Delano grape strike,

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<v Speaker 1>which took place shortly after the end of the Brissero

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<v Speaker 1>program in the United States. We covered the Brissero program

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<v Speaker 1>on the show back on August, and rather than trying

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<v Speaker 1>to go back over all of that same context in

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<v Speaker 1>the Delano Grape Strike episode, we thought we would go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and just put this classic back into people's feeds.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode also talks about a mass deportation effort that

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<v Speaker 1>overlapped the Briscero program, and that mass deportation effort was

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<v Speaker 1>named after a racist slur. I wrote this episode back

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<v Speaker 1>in If I were writing it today, I probably would

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<v Speaker 1>have approached that differently. So we just wanted to note

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<v Speaker 1>up front that there are multiple references to the program,

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<v Speaker 1>including its full name, over the course of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class a production

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<v Speaker 1>of I Heart Radio. Hello, and Welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tree C. D. Wilson, and I'm Holly fry So. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people think concerns about immigration

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<v Speaker 1>are a recent phenomenon. I mean definitely in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where we live and can talk about from experience.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm maybe in other nations too, but definitely in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, right, people don't think of this is a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's been around for a long time. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's an availing thought that uh, you know there

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<v Speaker 1>colonists came and that was the big immigration thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there was this big gap and now we're all

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<v Speaker 1>arguing and worried about it again. Yeah, it's been like

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<v Speaker 1>the last I don't know, thirty or forty years. So

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<v Speaker 1>in a in a way, in a way, it definitely

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<v Speaker 1>is a new concern for people because for about a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty years to the nation was founded, there

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<v Speaker 1>weren't really any immigration laws, right. If you could get here,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to live here. That was basically how it

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<v Speaker 1>worked until, um, you know, the nineteenth century. So back

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<v Speaker 1>in the late seventeen hundreds, the country didn't really seem

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<v Speaker 1>to care about about immigration. But to look at another way,

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<v Speaker 1>it is not a new concern at all, because the

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<v Speaker 1>United States started passing immigration laws and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them were targeted at immigrants from specific countries in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixties. So this is both a really new idea

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<v Speaker 1>given the whole history of the United States as a nation, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and a really old one, given that it's been around

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<v Speaker 1>for more than a hundred and fifty years. So that

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<v Speaker 1>whole division between like legal and illegal immigration is simultaneously

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<v Speaker 1>new and old. And today's story or today's story is

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<v Speaker 1>part of that centuries long history. Because for parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century, the United States and Mexico had agreements

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<v Speaker 1>in place that we're allowing and even encouraging Mexican nationals

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<v Speaker 1>to enter the United States to do agricultural work and

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<v Speaker 1>other labor, mostly in the American Southwest. And one specific

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<v Speaker 1>program called the Brissero program was launched during World War

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<v Speaker 1>Two to address a labor shortage um as American men

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<v Speaker 1>were needed for the war effort. But an unintended side

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<v Speaker 1>effect of this program that was about legally coming to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States to work, was this huge increase in

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<v Speaker 1>the number of people who were crossing the border from

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico illegally. And these illegal entries reached a point that

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<v Speaker 1>the government implemented another program which I'm gonna make it

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<v Speaker 1>clear this is not an acceptable word to use today,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is literally what the program was named. It

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<v Speaker 1>was called Operation Wetback to deport Mexican nationals and huge groups.

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<v Speaker 1>So the intertwined stories of these two government programs is

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<v Speaker 1>what we are going to talk about today. And before

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ten, there was simply not a lot of regulation

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<v Speaker 1>of the United State It's border with Mexico. People pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much crossed back and forth as they pleased. And as

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<v Speaker 1>agricultural industry started to really grow in the Southwest, these

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<v Speaker 1>industries started to really rely on this readily available and

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<v Speaker 1>seasonal workforce that was coming in from Mexico in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties. This also became true of other industries in

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<v Speaker 1>the American West and Southwest as well, including railroads and mining.

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<v Speaker 1>But today we're talking mostly about agriculture, so using Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>nationals as a source of labor basically came with some benefits.

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<v Speaker 1>Agricultural work in a lot of places is highly seasonal,

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<v Speaker 1>and for the most part, migrant workers who were US

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<v Speaker 1>citizens were traveling as families. They would spend the year

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<v Speaker 1>moving from place to place as a family, for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, spending a lot more time looking for work

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<v Speaker 1>than actually working. And when there was work, it was

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<v Speaker 1>usually work that the whole family did, including the children,

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<v Speaker 1>and an effort to try to make enough money to

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<v Speaker 1>last them for the rest of the year, so that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not an ideal situations been a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican workers, on the other hand, tended to be young

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<v Speaker 1>men traveling in groups with other young men. A group

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<v Speaker 1>of young men was overall a lot more efficient than

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<v Speaker 1>a family with children, and on the more exploitive side

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<v Speaker 1>of things, many were willing to accept lower wages than

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<v Speaker 1>what was considered standard among Americans. Because of a limited

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<v Speaker 1>proficiency with the English language, Mexican nationals were often unaware

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<v Speaker 1>of laws or standards that could protect them in their work,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a result, there were a lot of growers

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<v Speaker 1>and farmers in the American West and Southwest who were

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<v Speaker 1>willing to overlook the issue of whether a person had

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<v Speaker 1>come into the United States legally or not in order

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<v Speaker 1>to get cheap, easy to exploit labor. By the early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties, though, an increasing number of people were starting

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<v Speaker 1>to think of this basically open border in the way

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<v Speaker 1>it affected the labor pool is a big problem. Large

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<v Speaker 1>farms were driving down their own costs by employing large

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<v Speaker 1>numbers of Mexican migrant workers at a really low rate

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<v Speaker 1>of pay, and small farms considered themselves to be at

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<v Speaker 1>a big financial disadvantage. As a result, labor organizations started

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<v Speaker 1>tacitly excluding Mexican workers when they formed unions, and also

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<v Speaker 1>started using their political clout to lobby the government for

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<v Speaker 1>more enforcement along the border and to put a stop

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<v Speaker 1>to immigration from Mexico. In nineteen twenty four, the United

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<v Speaker 1>States formally established the Border Patrol as part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor Appropriation Act. As the US government started taking steps

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<v Speaker 1>to secure the Mexican border and curtail illegal immigration in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenties, local communities and states began taking steps

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<v Speaker 1>to regulate their own Mexican population as well, as we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed in our podcasts on Mendoes Versus Westminster and Macario Garcia.

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<v Speaker 1>Much of the Southwest and West approached its Hispanic and

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<v Speaker 1>Latino population in much the same way most of the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the nation did. Its lack population through segregation,

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<v Speaker 1>which was reinforced either through laws or through social customs.

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<v Speaker 1>In places with large Mexican and Mexican American populations, discrimination

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<v Speaker 1>was widespread and socially accepted by much of the Anglo

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<v Speaker 1>community during the Great Depression, which lasted roughly a decade

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<v Speaker 1>beginning in nine nine, and the Dust Bowl, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a devastating period of drought and dust storms that struck

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<v Speaker 1>much of the Southwest and Great Plains. During the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>life was pretty hard for pretty much everybody in the region,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was especially hard for people of Mexican descent.

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<v Speaker 1>The Anglo community was increasingly hostile towards Mexican migrants, viewing

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<v Speaker 1>them as unnecessary competition for incredibly scarce jobs. The industries

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<v Speaker 1>that had been relying so heavily on Mexican labor for

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<v Speaker 1>so long increasingly tried to exclude Mexicans from their workforce

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<v Speaker 1>during the Great Depression. Prior to the Great Depression, the

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<v Speaker 1>United States in Mexico had been working together to find

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<v Speaker 1>ways to send Mexican nationals who were in the US

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<v Speaker 1>illegally back to Mexico. During the Great Depression, those efforts increased.

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<v Speaker 1>President Herbert Hoover ordered the Department of Labor to work

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<v Speaker 1>out a deportation program. The Mexican government tried to identify

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<v Speaker 1>its citizens who were in the United States and in

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<v Speaker 1>many cases paid for their return to Mexico. Also, due

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<v Speaker 1>to the Great Depression, Mexico was facing its own labor shortage,

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<v Speaker 1>so part of the reason it paid to repatriot its

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<v Speaker 1>citizens was to try to fill that labor shortage. Between

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen and nine thirty five, about eighty five thousand Mexicans

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<v Speaker 1>voluntarily returned to Mexico and another four hundred thousand word

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<v Speaker 1>deported or repatriated, depending on how you want to look

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<v Speaker 1>at it. Most of the ones who tried to return

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States during the right Depression were turned

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<v Speaker 1>away at the border, which at this point was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more secure than it had been earlier than the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties. However, things shifted dramatically once again during World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two. The draft applied to all men residing in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, whether they were citizens or not. Roughly

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and fifty thousand Hispanic men saw some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of active service in the war, and with so many

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<v Speaker 1>men serving in the war, the job market changed dramatically

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Many men who had held agricultural

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<v Speaker 1>jobs went to serve in the war, and then other

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<v Speaker 1>men and women moved out of agriculture and into higher

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<v Speaker 1>paying manufacturing jobs that were either opened up as part

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<v Speaker 1>of the war effort or because the people who had

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<v Speaker 1>been doing those jobs joined the armed forces that were

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<v Speaker 1>also disrupted trade with Europe, which cut off the United

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<v Speaker 1>States sources of many goods and meant that basically America

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<v Speaker 1>had to make them for ourselves. The overall effect of

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<v Speaker 1>all this on the labor pool for agricultural work was,

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<v Speaker 1>as you might suspect, enormous, and it led the US

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<v Speaker 1>to work out a program specifically to recruit Mexican workers.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to talk more about that after we

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<v Speaker 1>pause and think one of the sponsors that keeps our

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<v Speaker 1>show going to return to the Bricero program. This huge

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<v Speaker 1>shift in the workforce during World War Two had immediate

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<v Speaker 1>and detrimental effects on agriculture. Soon after the war began,

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<v Speaker 1>the Southwest's cotton and vegetable growers were petitioning Congress to

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<v Speaker 1>hire temporary workers to help them build a labor shortfall

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<v Speaker 1>that basically meant they couldn't harvest what they needed to harvest.

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<v Speaker 1>The key here was that this workforce would be temporary.

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<v Speaker 1>In the words of a report from President Harry S.

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<v Speaker 1>Truman's Commission on Migratory Labor later on in nine quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the demand for migratory labor is thus essentially twofold to

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<v Speaker 1>be ready to go to work when needed, to be

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<v Speaker 1>gone when not needed. So the United States, leaning on

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Lynda Roosevelt's good neighbor policy, started trying to work

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<v Speaker 1>out a bilateral agreement with Mexico that would allow Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>nationals to enter the United States to work and then

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<v Speaker 1>return home when they were done. At first, Mexico was

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<v Speaker 1>reluctant to do this for a number of reasons. Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>citizens who had previously immigrated to do exactly these types

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<v Speaker 1>of work had faced discrimination and exploitive treatment in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Many had been forced out of their jobs

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<v Speaker 1>and stranded during the Great Depression. So basically, Mexico remembered

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<v Speaker 1>all of that and just didn't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>confidence that its citizens would be treated fairly if they

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<v Speaker 1>went back to the United States to work. So Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>insisted that any agreement spell out protections for its citizens,

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<v Speaker 1>one that would protect Mexican laborers while in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and would protect Mexico's own industries from suffering due

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<v Speaker 1>to a lack of workers. Mexico did, however, see some

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<v Speaker 1>potential benefits to allowing its citizens to work in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. It was hoped that anyone who entered the

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<v Speaker 1>program would return home with money that would be injected

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<v Speaker 1>into the Mexican economy. Running parallel with that was the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that Mexico's workers would learn new techniques relating to

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<v Speaker 1>agriculture and then bring those new techniques back to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>The result of this negotiation between Mexico and the United

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<v Speaker 1>States was the Brissero program, which was launched in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty two by executive order and then formalized by a

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<v Speaker 1>bilateral agreement on April nine. It would later be amended

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<v Speaker 1>by Public Law seventy eight and nineteen fifty one. The

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<v Speaker 1>basic terms of the Brossero program would be that this

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<v Speaker 1>would be non military work. It was not acceptable to

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<v Speaker 1>recruit Mexican nationals to work in agriculture and then put

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<v Speaker 1>them into the military service. Mexican nationals would be protected

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<v Speaker 1>from discrimination. Employers would pay transportation and living expenses, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a fair wage. Workers would get medical and

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<v Speaker 1>sanitary services at no cost to them. People enrolling in

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<v Speaker 1>the Broscero program would sign a Spanish language contract and

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<v Speaker 1>be paid a fair wage that would not be less

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<v Speaker 1>than what was standard for Anglo workers in the area,

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<v Speaker 1>and workers under the age of fourteen were not allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also protections if there was a shortage of work,

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<v Speaker 1>guaranteeing a subsistence level pay. If someone contracted with a

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican national but turned out not to have work for

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<v Speaker 1>them to do, a percentage of the broscero's pay was

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<v Speaker 1>also to be saved and returned to them once they

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Mexico. The criteria for the workers themselves were

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<v Speaker 1>that they had to be young, healthy men who had

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<v Speaker 1>agricultural experience but did not own land of their own.

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<v Speaker 1>They also needed to have a letter from local authorities

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<v Speaker 1>saying that their labor wasn't needed where they actually lived,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was to try to diminish the impact on Mexicans.

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico's own labor force. Applicants would go to collection points

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<v Speaker 1>in Mexico, be fingerprinted, be sprayed down with DDT, and

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<v Speaker 1>then be taken to the United States. In spite of

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<v Speaker 1>concerns that Mexican nationals would take jobs away from Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, this seemed like a mutually beneficial agreement. The

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<v Speaker 1>United States would get the farm labor it needed and

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico would get new, modernized farming techniques, an injection of

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<v Speaker 1>cash into its economy and jobs for citizens who needed them. However,

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<v Speaker 1>things took a turn for the worst pretty much immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the work to be done was known as

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<v Speaker 1>stoop labor. This was cultivation work that was done using

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<v Speaker 1>a short handled hoe stooped over rose into the in

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<v Speaker 1>the fields. This was grueling and like it could have

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<v Speaker 1>been done with a long handled hoe instead of a

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<v Speaker 1>short handled hoe that required you to literally stoop over,

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<v Speaker 1>But for some reason people thought a long handled who

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<v Speaker 1>was damaging to the crops. Today, the short handled hoe

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<v Speaker 1>is regarded as an occupational hazard and in many states

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<v Speaker 1>it is banned as unsafe. There were also way more

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<v Speaker 1>interested Mexican nationals than there were jobs, and soon officials

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<v Speaker 1>processing applications were accepting bribes to move people ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>the line. Recruitment efforts became prone to corruption. People who

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<v Speaker 1>didn't meet these qualifications for one reason or another also

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<v Speaker 1>started using the constant traffic back and forth across the

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<v Speaker 1>border to make the crossing themselves illegally, and as was

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<v Speaker 1>the case before, there were still plenty of growers who

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<v Speaker 1>were willing to hire these people for almost no money.

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<v Speaker 1>Unscrupulous growers also figured out that a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican nationals who were actually part of the Broscero program

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a lot of proficiency in English and weren't

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<v Speaker 1>aware of the pay and protections they were legally entitled

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<v Speaker 1>to under the terms of this program. This definitely was

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<v Speaker 1>not universal. In various parts of the United States, broscero's

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<v Speaker 1>organized themselves and went on strike to protest low wages

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<v Speaker 1>and poor treatment that we're specifically outlawed in the Briscero

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<v Speaker 1>programs terms. Many growers flouted the rules of the program

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<v Speaker 1>and hired people who had crossed illegally to get around

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<v Speaker 1>having to worry about all of this. Mexico eventually refused

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<v Speaker 1>to send workers to the entire state of Texas because

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<v Speaker 1>of flagrant hiring of unauthorized workers as well as other abuses.

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<v Speaker 1>So soon illegal border crossings were rampant and the employment

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<v Speaker 1>of people who had entered illegally was widespread. Wages started

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<v Speaker 1>to drop for basically everyone because there were so many

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<v Speaker 1>low wage workers who had become part of the economy

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<v Speaker 1>in the Southwest that minimum standard housing and medical care

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<v Speaker 1>that was supposed to be part of this program also

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<v Speaker 1>didn't materialize, and a lot of people who actually were

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<v Speaker 1>part of it wound up tightly packed together in barracks

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<v Speaker 1>on canvas cots, where respiratory diseases and other illnesses spread

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<v Speaker 1>like wildfire. Over the twenty two year life of this program,

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<v Speaker 1>four point five million Mexican nationals legally came to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States to work, some of them returning to the

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<v Speaker 1>US repeatedly under new contracts, but far more entered illegally

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<v Speaker 1>outside the bounds of the program. There was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>six thousand percent increase in illegal immigration between nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>four and nineteen fifty four. Support for the program, which

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<v Speaker 1>had never been universal, started to wane after World War

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<v Speaker 1>Two was over and Americans who had survived the war

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<v Speaker 1>started to return home and to try to reclaim their

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<v Speaker 1>old jobs. The official wartime program ended on December thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one of nineteen forty seven, although the program continued to

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<v Speaker 1>be extended for peacetime purposes for quite a while after that,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually Mexico, fed up with what it saw as

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<v Speaker 1>the United States refusal to enforce the terms of their

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<v Speaker 1>bilateral agreement, stopped participating by just declining to send any

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<v Speaker 1>more workers through official channels. According to the Texas State

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<v Speaker 1>Historical Association's handbook, of Texas. The US retaliated against Mexico's

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<v Speaker 1>non participation in nineteen fifty one by allowing thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>people to enter the US illegally, arresting them and then,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than deporting them, turning them over to the Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Employment Commission to be put to work. By the nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>the Broscero program was officially on the way out. Labor

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<v Speaker 1>organizations had become a lot more influential in policy and

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<v Speaker 1>had started advocating very vocally for jobs in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States to be filled by Americans and not by Mexicans.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, increasing mechanization in the agriculture industry

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<v Speaker 1>meant that a lot of the physical labor that had

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<v Speaker 1>required this huge labor pool was disappearing. The need for

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<v Speaker 1>physical labor became a lot smaller. The Brassero program needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be reauthorized periodically, and there were increasingly contentious debates

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<v Speaker 1>whenever it came up for renewal. Its re authorizations in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty one and nineteen sixty three in particular, were

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<v Speaker 1>extremely hotly debated. It There was a lot of pressure

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<v Speaker 1>to end the program after a bus accident killed thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two migrant workers in nineteen sixty three. The Burcero program

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<v Speaker 1>eventually expired the following year in nineteen sixty four. With

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<v Speaker 1>the abolition of the program. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>proponents had often said about it turned out apparently to

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<v Speaker 1>be true. A lot of people who were in favor

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<v Speaker 1>of the program insisted that American workers did not want

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<v Speaker 1>to do this work, which is why it needed to

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<v Speaker 1>be open to Mexican nationals. After the abolition of the program,

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<v Speaker 1>there were about five hundred and nineteen thousand unemployed people

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<v Speaker 1>in California, which should have been plenty to cover the

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<v Speaker 1>seventy thousand people who were needed to do stoop labor

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<v Speaker 1>in the agricultural industry. But the nature, the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>the work and the wages that were that were offered

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<v Speaker 1>meant that a lot of these jobs went unfilled and

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<v Speaker 1>tons of fruits and vegetables rotted in the fields. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of argument that this should have

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<v Speaker 1>been like a gradual phase out rather than just an

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<v Speaker 1>abrupt abolition. As we said at the top of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Running parallel to all of this was a mass deportation

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<v Speaker 1>program focused on Mexican nationals called the horrible name Operation

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<v Speaker 1>Went Back and We're going to talk about that after

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<v Speaker 1>we pause once again and take a break in here

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<v Speaker 1>from one of our fantastic sponsors, to get back to

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<v Speaker 1>Operation Went Back as an example of how the United

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<v Speaker 1>States thinking on immigration shifted. In the nineteen thirties and forties,

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<v Speaker 1>President Franklin D. Roosevelt combined two other government agencies to

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<v Speaker 1>form the Immigration and Naturalization Service in three This agency

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<v Speaker 1>was originally part of the Department of Labor. In ninety

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<v Speaker 1>that changed, the I n S and the Border Patrol

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<v Speaker 1>that fell under it moved from the Department of Labor

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<v Speaker 1>to the Department of Justice. With that the I n

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<v Speaker 1>S and the Border Patrol were no longer about work.

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<v Speaker 1>They were about lawing for sman And as we said,

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<v Speaker 1>Operation Went Back was a mass deportation effort that came

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<v Speaker 1>along after the I and S moved to the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice. It's often portrayed as a swift, decisive effort

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<v Speaker 1>to deport people who had entered the US illegally, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was really part of a decades long effort that ran,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, parallel to most of the Burscero program.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen forties, for example, special Mexican deportation parties

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<v Speaker 1>were established to try to apprehend and deport Mexican migrant

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<v Speaker 1>workers in there was an attempt to reinforce targeted portions

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<v Speaker 1>of the border with chain link fencing. In the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forties and nineteen fifties, some border patrol agents ran an

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<v Speaker 1>unsanctioned quote little barber shop, basically clippers that they carried

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<v Speaker 1>with them to cut the hair of repeat immigration offenders,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes in intentionally humiliating ways. In terms of the more

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<v Speaker 1>above board efforts to control immigration, a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>really were across national The United States why it to

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<v Speaker 1>keep illegal immigration from driving down wages and causing housing

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<v Speaker 1>and social issues within its own borders, and Mexico wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to have enough workers to meet its own labor needs

0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and also protected citizens from exploitation and discrimination while they

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<v Speaker 1>were in the United States. In nineteen fifty one, a

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<v Speaker 1>report on Mexican migrant workers in the US pinned all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of social and economic ills on illegal immigration and

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<v Speaker 1>characterized the situation as an invasion. Soon, the US was

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<v Speaker 1>diverting more and more of the border patrol and i

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<v Speaker 1>n s to the Mexican border, more than doubling the

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<v Speaker 1>number of agents that were stationed there. In between nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty three and nineteen fifty three, there were a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more people apprehended in illegal border crossings. The number rose

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<v Speaker 1>from eleven thousand, seven hundred and fifteen in nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>three to eight hundred and eighty five thousand, five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven in nineteen fifty three, with Mexicans making up

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<v Speaker 1>more and more of those apprehended. At the same time, though,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States didn't actually increase the immigration and Naturalization

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<v Speaker 1>services budgets, so even though there were more agents on

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<v Speaker 1>the Mexican border, there were fewer agents overall, with the

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<v Speaker 1>forces numbers dropping a third between nineteen two and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one. When Dwight D. Eisenhower took office as president

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty three, it's estimated that three million Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>nationals in the US had entered the country illegally, but

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<v Speaker 1>previous efforts to deport them had increasingly stalled out because

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<v Speaker 1>so many farms and ranches were dependent on this illicit

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<v Speaker 1>labor pool. In the words of Walt Edwards, who served

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<v Speaker 1>in the Border Patrol from nineteen fifty one to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four, quote, when we caught illegal aliens on farms

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<v Speaker 1>and ranches. The farmer or rancher would often call and complain,

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<v Speaker 1>and depending on how politically connected they were, there would

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<v Speaker 1>be political intervention. Yeah that political intervention was basically getting

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<v Speaker 1>their workers out of jail and turning away from the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they were not supposed to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. In nineteen fifty four, Eisenhower appointed General Joseph Swing,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as Jumping Joe, as the Commissioner of the

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<v Speaker 1>Immigration and Naturalization Service. Swing started transferring immigration officials who

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<v Speaker 1>had spent a long time in the Southwest to other

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the country with the hope of breaking all

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<v Speaker 1>those social and political ties to all the local farmers, ranchers,

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<v Speaker 1>and political big wigs that was leading the Service to

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<v Speaker 1>not actually enforce immigration. Then, on June nine, four, Swing

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<v Speaker 1>announced the commencement of Operation Wetback. One arm of the

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<v Speaker 1>operation was meant to physically apprehend and remove people who

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<v Speaker 1>had illegally immigrated into the United States. The other was

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<v Speaker 1>meant to publicize this effort to make sure people who

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<v Speaker 1>weren't in the country legally knew about it and see

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<v Speaker 1>the deportation force as a threat. A lot of this

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<v Speaker 1>publicity deliberately exaggerated the size and aggressiveness of the deportation

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<v Speaker 1>force in the hope of scaring people into leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>country voluntarily. On June seventy four, immigration officials started the

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<v Speaker 1>actual sweeps to apprehend and deport people who had illegally immigrated.

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<v Speaker 1>About seven hundred and fifty immigration agents moved north through

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<v Speaker 1>California and Arizona. They started in those two states because

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<v Speaker 1>the entrenched resistance to deportation was lower there, so they're

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to kind of get a good foothold before moving

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<v Speaker 1>on to places where it was more contentious. They had

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<v Speaker 1>a goal of apprehending a thousand people who had entered

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<v Speaker 1>the country illegally every day. By the end of July,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand people had been arrested in California and Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>and an estimated four d eighty eight thousand had fled

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<v Speaker 1>the United States on their own. And as Tracy had said,

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<v Speaker 1>it started in California and Arizona, but from there it

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<v Speaker 1>moved into Utah, Nevada, Texas, and Idaho, and immigration officials

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<v Speaker 1>put the people that were apprehended in these sweeps onto

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<v Speaker 1>trains and buses bound for Mexico, far enough south that

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<v Speaker 1>they simply couldn't turn around and re enter the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Two ships were also you for this purpose, The Emancipation

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<v Speaker 1>and the Mercurio, carried people from Port Isabel in Texas

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<v Speaker 1>about five hundred miles to Vera Cruz in Mexico. At

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<v Speaker 1>the time, the i n S claimed that it deported

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<v Speaker 1>one point three million people during Operation Went Back, but

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<v Speaker 1>those numbers have not really held up to historical scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 1>It was definitely lower than that, and it might have

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<v Speaker 1>been as low as three hundred thousand. These efforts actually

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<v Speaker 1>disrupted some of the agriculture industry in the states that

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<v Speaker 1>were targeted by deporting their workforces. Like we said, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the agriculture industry in the Southwest and West

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<v Speaker 1>had become highly dependent on this illegal labor. The government

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<v Speaker 1>tried to reassure people that they could get new labor

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<v Speaker 1>through the Buscero program, which was still in effect at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. In addition to the immediate impact that it

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<v Speaker 1>had on the agriculture industry, there were other problems with

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<v Speaker 1>Project White Back as well. Aside from its name, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say again is a racial slur. We

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<v Speaker 1>would not normally say on this show. Everyone of Mexican

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>descent was suspect, whether they had entered the country illegally

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<v Speaker 1>or not, and a lot of the lawful residents, some

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<v Speaker 1>of them American citizens, were deported in error. Families were

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>broken up when some members were caught up in a

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 1>sweep and others weren't. Children were left with anyone, without

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>anyone to look after them when their parents were arrested

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and deported. Mexican American communities were disrupted when their populations

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<v Speaker 1>were basically decimated, and then that would basically leave whoever

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<v Speaker 1>was left without the basic life amenities that they needed,

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<v Speaker 1>and the problems did not end north of the border.

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<v Speaker 1>People who were dropped off in Mexico were often left

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<v Speaker 1>in completely unfamiliar territory where they had no friends or family,

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<v Speaker 1>without any food, without water, and with no money. Eighty

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<v Speaker 1>eight people from just one roundup died of heat stroke

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<v Speaker 1>after being left in remote territory without food or water.

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<v Speaker 1>Conditions on the Emancipation and the Mercurio were also appalling,

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly overcrowded and dismal. On one voyage, a riot broke

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<v Speaker 1>out and the use of ships was eventually stopped after

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<v Speaker 1>seven people drowned during one voyage Apart from all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>that ten percent of their pay that was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be withheld for legitimate participants of the Burscero program and

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<v Speaker 1>then returned to them when they returned to Mexico. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people never saw it. A settlement was in

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<v Speaker 1>the works in two thousand and eight to restore this

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<v Speaker 1>pay to the former workers and their descendants, but as

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<v Speaker 1>of there were still marches and protests going on to

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<v Speaker 1>have this money restored because it had never actually happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the basics of like this long kind

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<v Speaker 1>of convoluted, intertwined effort to both recruit and deport Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>nationals in the United States. Uh. I know for sure

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<v Speaker 1>that there are folks in the world whose mindset is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're illegally in here, it serves them, right. I personally

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<v Speaker 1>think that if you are traveling hundreds of miles away

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<v Speaker 1>from your family to do physically grueling, stoop labor for

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<v Speaker 1>little money, like, imagine what your life is like to

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<v Speaker 1>lead you to that decision, right, Like, what other option

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<v Speaker 1>might you have? Have? Empathy? That's what I'm saying. Thanks

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