WEBVTT - The Campaign to Free Albeiro From ICE 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.680 A zone media. 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:09.080 Welcome to it can happen here a podcast where so 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.559 many things are happening here that we frankly have borne 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.360 out the bit about trying to use this as our introduction. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:21.240 I am your host, Bio Wong. One of the many, many, many, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:26.320 many many crises that are unfolding in this country right 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.479 now is a rolling ethnic cleansing carried out by Ice 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.000 and Border Patrol with the assistance of the cops. And 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:39.919 we have talked about this from a lot of angles. 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.360 But a thing I want to sort of draw attention 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:47.599 back to in this moment where there's increased attention and 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:52.960 scrutiny from truly a series of really hideous ice shootings 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.760 is what it's like to be in detention right now 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.800 and how pass to blie people can be gotten out 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.479 of the tension and with me to talk about something 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.640 that I feel like I can't even describe as the 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:12.920 horrors because it's simply worse than that. Is Ellie Bell, 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:17.560 who is a community organizer, does many things, wears many hats. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.959 Welcome to the show, Thank. 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:25.280 You, Hello, I'm Ellie. And the reason I am here 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:30.880 right now for this specific podcast conversation is that I 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:37.080 am on a team that is trying to help many immigrants, 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.160 but one in particular that I will be talking about 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:45.320 tonight Alberto, who is a father and a husband and 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:50.480 is currently detained in an ICED attention center in Indiana 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:54.960 after being transferred from his home in Chicago. And you know, 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.760 we are trying to get him out and to get 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:01.720 his family's story out there and story out there, and 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.120 you know, among many other things that ICE is doing 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.400 in a way that it's into all of that. That's 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.919 what I am here to talk about today. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:16.720 Yeah, so let's begin. So I guess one thing that 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.520 I want to sort of lead off with here is 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.600 obviously the sort of the most intense ICE repression and 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:29.120 raids have shifted to places like Minneapolis right now. I mean, 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.440 who knows, as you're listening to this, maybe they've pivoted 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.160 it to another place. I don't know. Everything is moving 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:39.000 so unbelievably fast and horribly But also raids are still 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.359 continuing in the places where ICE has norminally pulled out. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.520 Now the frequency of those raids has decreased because they 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.880 simply don't have the personnel to run these kind of 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.600 I don't know, they describe it as operational tempo. I 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.840 describe it as they don't have the people to kidnap 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.080 this many people at once. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.639 They can't kidnap or kill us all. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.400 Yeah, which, you know, not enormously happy to see people 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.440 chanting that here. I have a bunch of visceral memories 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.440 of the last two times that I saw people chanting 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.480 that and didn't go great. So let's not go on 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.720 the likes to Dan twenty nineteen tangents. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:15.560 Yeah. 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.919 Actually no, no, sorry, sorry, I am wrong there. Dan. One 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.120 was we are not afraid to die, which is in 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:22.120 some weeks bleaker. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.919 There's there is so much, there's so much history packed 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:25.440 in here. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.200 Moving to the presence of you know, our version of 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.000 the ethnic cleansing, can you go to sort of the 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:37.119 start of this and talk about what the specific raid 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:38.000 here looked like? 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.160 Yeah, so, I mean, I think I want to zoom 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:48.280 out for a moment before I get into the specifics 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:54.240 of what happened with this man, this father and husband 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.040 done his family, and then get into it. But you know, 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.920 as I'm sure you know we are, we are all 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:08.360 talking about we are being ice escalating their tactics in 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.440 just an egregious way. They killed a woman in cool 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.120 blood and just executed her in the street the other day. Ye, 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.159 Renean good. Now, of course this is not the first 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.839 or only person that they've killed recently. It's one of many. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.160 I think there are now eleven, it might be twelve. 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:28.839 The number just keeps rising every day. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.680 Yeah, so we still don't having very good information about 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.520 what happened. But literally the next day in Portland, someone 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.200 either ice work border patrol. At the time I'm recording this, 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.640 it's Tuesday, the thirteenth. We still don't know whether it 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.920 was ior Berdtil, but someone shot two people in Portland. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.840 So yeah, and I think they're being charged right now 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.080 for terrorism because this is just what happens. Now. 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:56.360 Yeah, these are all connected. But you know, we know 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.520 that there are I believe there's been it was nine 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.719 to days ago than now it's like eleven or twelve. 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.120 It just keeps rising the number of people that we 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.760 know of. I want to be really clear that we 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.159 know of and as you said, we don't have good 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.080 data on this. We do not have correct data on this, 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.560 which is also an intentional tool of the state to 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.119 obscure what is happening. But there are so many people 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.560 who have been killed by ICE, and those are the 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.840 ones that we know of, you know, since let's say, 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.159 in the last two or three months, there are so 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.560 many more. There are so many people missing from Alligator Alcatraz. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:38.279 What we saw happen in Minneapolis last week is horrendous. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.039 And you know the same way that Al Barrow, who 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.120 I am part of this team trying to help get 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.600 him out of detention. He did nothing wrong. He has 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.800 had no criminal activity. There was nothing to warrant the 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.960 excuse that he must be detained or treated violently. It's 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.800 the same as how Renee did nothing wrong and nothing 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:04.200 to deserve being murdered. He was witnessing, He was witnessing 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:09.720 and being there for her neighbors, and she was sitting 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.640 there in her car, and that is what we know. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.840 But her murder the same way that these raids and 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:22.320 everything going on, it's an escalation tactic used by ICE. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:26.640 That's part of deep rooted old school fascist and authoritarian 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.719 measures to test what they can get away with while 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:34.480 people remain complacent in times of genocide and ethnic cleansing, 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.760 and for societal people, you know, they just want to 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.960 see what they can get away with and how much 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.760 control they can exercise. So that being said, to get 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:49.320 into what happened to Albero and his wife is they 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:54.359 are in Chicago and they've been there for a little 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.320 over a year since they came here to seek asylum, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.560 and they were first in a shelter and then they 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.599 finally were able to get the work they needed to 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:09.480 have a home with their three kids. You know, I 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.960 want to be really explicit that this person is a father, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:18.040 a husband. He has other family members here who look 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.240 up to him, who he is a father figure or 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:25.360 an uncle too. He is a community figure and a leader. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.680 After he was taken, you know, I was told by 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.920 a family friend who is part of the team that 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.760 I'm working with. They told me that the women in 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.720 the neighborhood, the other like immigrant women who all like 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.560 work together and know each other, called him a pendadios, 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.400 like a loving term for someone who is just like 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:52.160 a community member, like a shining beacon in a community. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.640 And that is that is who he is. And I 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.200 also really want to emphasize that it wouldn't really matter 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.480 if that wasn't who he was, and if he was 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.680 somehow quote unquote lesser than that or not a saint, 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.600 because there's no such thing as like a good or 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:15.600 bad immigrant. Nobody deserves to be treated this inhumanely, unless, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.040 of course, you're a fascist, then I think you know 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:18.880 fair game. 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.000 Hey, look, I'm gonna put my foot down there and 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.280 say we are more than capable of dealing with fascists internally. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.840 Yeah, yeah, we can simply hold the. 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.040 Line on no deportations and simply with right. Right, I 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:32.760 believe in us. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:38.560 But so what happened was it was early early morning 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.720 the morning of Monday, December twenty ninth. Okay, it's officially 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.680 been two weeks since this happened. Monday, December twenty ninth. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.400 It's like somewhere between maybe five and six am, six thirty, 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.559 it's still dark out. He and his wife, whose name 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.640 I'm not going to use to protect her anonymity and 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.360 her identity. But he and his wife thought to their 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:06.000 car and the windows were rolled down the slightest bit. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.800 They were getting in their car to drive to work, 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.320 so that then she could go back home and be 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.320 with her kids after taking him to work. And I 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.839 want to be really explicit that we know that when 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.680 ICE agents came to do this raid, they didn't have 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:27.080 their names when they approached them. They didn't know anything 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:31.080 about them until they took them in in the Chicago area. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:32.880 You know, you can talk about this a little if 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.240 you want, but ICE has to have a warrant for 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.400 the people they're picking up. They can't just pick up anyone. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.280 Based on the Novia concent Decree, which was just extended 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.679 by the appeals court, we know that in Chicago this 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.600 is something that has been continuously happening, and as we 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.199 look at this from a broader context, they go after 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.520 non white people, kidnap them, and ask questions later just 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:56.160 because they think no one is going to care. And 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.760 part of the reason that I'm talking about all of 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.600 this is because I want to be very clear that 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.920 people are watching, people care, and more people need to 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.400 be watching, and more people need to care when it 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.440 happens to people who are not white. Yeah, not just 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.720 white women. Because obviously Renee's murder is horrific, and I 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.120 saw her be able to raise one point four million 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.800 dollars in less than a day, and Albero's campaign has 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.120 been at fourteen thousand dollars for more than a week, 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.800 and we can't raise more money because people have so 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.199 much more sympathy and empathy for white people. And that 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.280 is actually so tied into why ICE does the things 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.680 they do because of that same whiteness, that same white 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.959 supremacy where they think we can do whatever we want 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.640 to immigrants and brown people. Who's going to care? 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.920 Yeah, And that's that is one of the major constituent 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:54.760 elements of this entire rolling ethnic cleansing is that you know, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.840 and this is this has been a thing in Chicago 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:01.160 and since the raids really kicked off, is that every 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:05.760 fucking day someone just disappears and everyone just goes about 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:06.880 their lives. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.320 Absolutely, and they count on us to do that, and 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:14.559 they count on us to not be paying enough attention 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.319 that we can't keep track of how shitty their data 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:22.040 is and how inconsistent their data is and all of 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:23.720 the numbers we don't have. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.680 Yeah. Well, and the other thing they're relying on is 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.840 they're relying on their not being any tend to stop them. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.800 What they're relying on is, you know, once once they 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.920 grab someone, everyone just going, okay, well, this is you know, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.160 this is a statistic counting up and a counter and 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.760 not this is a life that needs to be fought. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.480 For, exactly, And that is why I find it so 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.720 important and why I am doing the work that I 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.120 am doing alongside everyone else who's doing this kind of 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:58.880 work to uplift stories and tell them because they can't 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:03.000 be told by the immigrants themselves right now, because they're 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:07.960 being tortured inside detention. And it's so crucial for people 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.679 to understand that, Like, these are not numbers, These are 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.319 not just names on a page. These are real people's lives. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.760 This is a real man who's three children, whose three 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:23.199 young children have now gone to bed without him every 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.920 night for two weeks. They don't know where their dad is. 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.200 They don't know why he's not there, They don't know 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.880 why he's apparently being tortured. They just know that their 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:40.480 dad isn't there. And I need people to understand, you know, 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:45.360 think about can you imagine Can you imagine being away 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:51.199 from your family for two weeks and counting, not knowing 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.000 when you're going to come back, if you're going to 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.079 come back, if you're going to die in detention? Can 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.200 you imagine being the child of someone And a lot 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.520 of people don't have to imagine. I'm saying this for like, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.480 you know, white people and privileged people who don't have 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.680 to think about these things or can get away with 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.599 just going about business as usual, because there are a 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.360 lot of us who have immigrant family and have loved 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.640 ones who this has been done to, and we don't 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.440 get to go about our day's business as usual because 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:29.400 it's just not possible. It's just not possible. It would 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.480 be like asking me to go about my life business 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.480 as usual when my family in Lebanon and Palestine are 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:41.000 being bomked. Yeah, like, it's not possible. It is not possible. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.079 All of these things are connected, Our lives are connected, 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.920 and we owe it to each other to pay attention 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:52.320 and to witness, especially because we are seeing that they 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:56.439 will kill you for paying attention and witnessing because they 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.760 don't want you to be able to exercise that right. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.680 Yeah. Well, and you know the secondary thing, and this 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.240 is something that's been pretty well known for a very 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:11.200 long time, is that the more of you that there 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.839 are at a thing, the less likely they are to 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:14.280 kill you. 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:14.960 Yeah. 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:16.400 And then this has been a thing with you know, 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.040 US police killing the protest forever, which at the US 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.600 doesn't like fire regular bullets into crowds because it's a 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.080 terrible idea. It's how you get uprisings, right, Like, you know, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:27.800 I mean, I say this on the show all the time. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.560 This is how the Mexican government lost control of the 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:37.400 city of Wahaka. Like they literally accidentally started like like 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.280 a pseudo anarchist revolution in that city by doing that. Right, So, 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.280 normally what they do is they pick off people when 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:42.960 they're on their own. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.360 I'm going to be totally honest, I kind of wish 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.560 that the government would make a ridiculous mistake right now 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:54.120 that lends itself to people being able to get justice. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.120 That's all I'll say. I'm not going to give. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.800 But I mean, you know, but it's also the other 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.000 thing I'll say about that is like whether or not 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.800 they get away with this is also up to us. 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.360 It is, It absolutely is. And that is why I 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.160 say we owe each other everything, and we owe each 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:15.800 other witnessing, because the thing is the job of telling 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:21.320 these stories, of trying to help get people vulnerable, vulnerable 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:27.120 people out of detention is also falling to a select 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:33.040 few people who are the most vulnerable already and who 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.280 have things on the line and things We're risking to 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.960 do this because we know it's the right thing, and 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.800 there are so many people with so much privilege, who 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:47.400 could be doing something, whether it's really really small like 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:52.920 donating five dollars or sharing someone's story, or calling Congress 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.760 to have them pressure ICE to let immigrants out, whatever 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.720 it is that you could be doing, there are so 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.080 many people who are not doing that. And when there 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.360 are so many people who are not doing any of 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:10.280 the labor, all of that labor gets distributed so unevenly 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.400 among a few people. You know. I always think about 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:18.720 the what is it James Baldwin quote about how it 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.440 is the job of you know, like a few people. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.400 It's only a few people on this earth who are 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.560 like doing the job of like loving people. Well, I'm 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.920 completely butchering it right now because it's late at night 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.240 and I you know, can't think of it, but it's 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.200 it's something like that, And I think about that all 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.120 the time. And something that I'm thinking about right now 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.840 a lot and having a lot of conversations, mostly with 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:46.600 white people about is hey, you need to start doing 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.560 something because you have a lot of privilege that you're 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.000 not utilizing, and when you don't utilize it, you actually 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.080 are doing a lot of harm. Not in necessarily the 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.640 same way that the ICE agents are, but you're still 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.840 kind of capitually to what they want you to do 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:07.040 by putting all of this labor on vulnerable people who 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.000 have so much to lose and so much to risk. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:15.679 And we can't afford to burn out constantly because we 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.800 don't have the support and the more equitable division of 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:25.680 labor that's needed. Like, we need everyone. We need everyone 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:30.240 who can possibly do anything, whether that's putting your bodies 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.879 on the line in person, or or if you're a 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.159 disabled person and you're in bed and you can post 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.240 something online or you can tell someone like we need 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.880 to activate our community networks for each other. 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.640 Yeah, and there's also a lot of sort of logistical stuff, 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:49.680 you know. I mean there's like the old line about 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.159 the army that like five or ten to one, like 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.080 logistics people for every person who's out on the front. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.359 And that's also the way that if you're going to 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.320 have an organizing thing that works, there's a as a 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.480 sort of logistical tale behind everyone who's out doing stuff. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.640 Absolutely right, you need you need safety people too at home. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:19.560 Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of stuff to be done. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.200 I'll finished telling the story of what happens to Albero too, 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:27.160 because I want to, you know, center that because again, 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.440 you know, this is a this is a community issue, 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.160 and this is a community member who is missing now 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.720 who can't do his part as a part of a 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:42.399 whole community because he has he's been taken and and 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.760 like when he was taken, they had guns. They had 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.760 one pointed right at his wife. He was saying, you know, 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.600 they were saying, we're not resisting, but they they kept 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.480 danging on the car window and they reached inside the 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.840 car window and they like, you know, he and his 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.119 wife emphasized that they were going to work. They weren't 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:05.640 doing anything, and I didn't care. They see a non 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.080 white person and they grow hungry for violence. And after 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.000 detaining her, you know, they asked her to sign a 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.439 document so that she could go get for kids. She 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.719 refused because she didn't trust them and she told them 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.440 that she wasn't going to sign anything. And then later 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.399 they found out, I think the lawyers found out that 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.840 what it was is that they were giving her a 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.280 voluntary deportation paper yep, for the whole family. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.160 And that level they all the time, they do. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.360 This all the time. That level of deceit and trickery 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.560 is just horrible because they did it. They gave it 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.840 to her in English, and she doesn't speak English. They 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.760 thought they could just get her to sign it to 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:45.359 get them out. This is being run by like the 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:52.080 same people who are banging doors down and just going 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:57.840 into houses in Minneapolis. It's all connected. They use the 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:06.040 same oactics of violence and fearmongering, and it's terrible. 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.639 Yeah, And I mean they've been moving personnel around so 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.000 like there's like a non zero chance it was literally 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.240 the same person, Like that person could be in Minneapolis. 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:18.440 Now we don't know. And this has become the sort 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.359 of background noise of American life. And he used to 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.520 fucking not be the background noise because they're fucking grabbing 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:25.399 people out of cars. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:31.440 It shouldn't be. I mean, every day I see people 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:38.120 post some type of video on TikTok or Instagram, reels 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.520 or Twitter or blue Sky, Like I just see people 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:47.760 everyday people post God. You know, it feels so horrific 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.399 to watch all of this happen and have to go 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.120 to a nine to five. And I have empathy for that, 0:20:55.760 --> 0:21:02.200 especially as someone who does community organizing. And I mean 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.080 I think there is a lot of sacrifice. I know 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.280 there's a lot of sacrifice in the types of things 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.480 that I do, and there's also a lot of privilege 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:16.240 in the fact that I even have community and loved 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.800 ones who help me to pay my rent so that 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:25.400 I can do this kind of organizing without worrying about 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:30.440 not having shelter. And it's like we were saying before we, 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.200 you know, started the recording, like I take it very 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.240 seriously that I need to rest and I need to 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.280 feed myself, and I need to take care of myself 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:44.280 because rest is not resistance, but me getting the rest 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.359 that I need and the care that I need allows 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.600 me to resist in a way that helps someone else 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.160 to get free. And that's like what we all need 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.760 to be doing for each other. 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.400 I'm just gonna say this because you know, there used 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.159 to be a thing people would do whatever there is 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.560 a large social upheaple. It was called the occupation of 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.400 the factories. Yeah, you could go read Mellatesta writing about 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.040 it in like nineteen twenty one, very old thing. See, 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.080 the Seattle General Strike was like the most famous example 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.600 people doing this in the US. But it was like, Okay, 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:20.240 so there's some shit going on, we need to stop 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.360 something from happening. So we are going to take over 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:25.400 our workplaces and run the parts of it that need 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:26.840 to be run so that people could get food, and 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.040 then otherwise we're not and otherwise we're gonna cant told you. 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.200 Don't actually jump hoped to go to your line. 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.760 To buy the people in Seattle. Those people didn't know 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.480 what a television was. Wow, And they were able to 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.879 do this. If you showed one of the people in 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:43.080 like in like the Seattle, like nineteen nineteen general strikes, 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:46.160 people who did this, like if you showed them a computer, 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.719 they would have a heart attack. And they did this well. 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.359 So I believe that all of you you have seen 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.920 things that would have obliterated these people's minds. 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:59.280 Oh it's I have like a slightly different take. I 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.439 don't know if they like a hot take or a 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.359 cold take or a loopworm take. But my perspective is 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.720 one who said that you just have to go to 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.080 your nine to five while you watch all of this happen. 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:17.159 Who said that you are saying, oh, I have to 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.800 do that, No one is actually making you do that. 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.879 The consequences of that are that if you don't go 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.320 to your nine to five or you take a sick 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.040 day or something. You might get fired, and you might 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.760 be in a similarly vulnerable position to someone whose life 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:36.280 is already on the line. But if we all stood 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:41.280 in solidarity with each other, that would be less dangerous. 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:45.399 Like if we chose each other over capitalism, that would 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.720 be so radical. But that's my take. 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.760