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Yes, yes, and it's only right man. We 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.479 finished with the one and only Charles Barkley. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.600 Hey man, thank you a man, some one. I just 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.679 want to say, I'm proud of you guys. Mab I'm 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.400 proud of you your success. I mean, not the NBA 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.800 because that's that's just talent. But you have to find 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.560 a way to figure out, like how am I gonna 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.800 make money the rest of my life? So I'm proud 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:55.600 of y'all. Man, keep doing y'all things, and thanks for 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.760 having me. Thanks paving the way. Y'all had a big 0:01:57.800 --> 0:01:59.920 ass check in here. Yeah, we had to check it. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:01.320 Have him at a sports ball because you know, he 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:02.680 wanted to eat while we did the interview. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:07.240 Hey man, is he the biggest fifty year old kid? 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:07.640 Kid? 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:09.000 After Civilization? 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.640 I played with Shaq on the saying he was walking 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:15.280 around naked, tackling trainers, naked, fucking with like Shaq was 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.080 a menace. But as soon as the ball went up, 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:17.800 it all switched. 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:18.160 Man. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.720 We can be walking around the studio mind our own business. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.119 That big motherfucker just talk reason and he's not little neither. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.320 He's huge, he's the biggest human being in the world, 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.760 in the world, in the world. But he got a 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.200 pure heart. Man Greg got a great relationship with a Chuck. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.120 I'm in court for a traffic ticket and I had 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.920 something else in my car and I'm standing there thinking, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.160 don't know what's about to happen. The judge like standing 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:44.080 mister Jackson. He's like, you've me a second, Like, you 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.079 know this guy is Shock on FaceTime. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:47.240 They dropped all my art. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.000 Talking to the judge. 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.679 Yes, the judge just said holdo. As soon as I 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.200 sat down, He's like, stand up for a second. Didn't 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.600 even say nothing to me. Called Shaq. He's like, you 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.720 know this guy is Shaq making a face on face 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:58.239 time and they dropped all my charger. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.880 You know, Shock. It's the most random dude. Like one 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.320 day we sit in the studio, he's like, Yo, say hello. 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:10.360 I'm like, who say hello? It's doctor Phil Shock. He 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.519 FaceTime in doctor Phild and then like uh, one time 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.760 he's like, my man Run who's like the animal expert, 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.000 Like he said hey, say hello, and I'm like, who 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.360 is it? This time it's Run the expert from down 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.280 in Florida. I mean he is so funny, Like, dude, 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:30.000 how the hell you facetimeing doctor Phil all over the place? Man? 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.320 Speaking of Shaq being a big human. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:32.919 You look good. 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.000 We just noticed you said, yeah, you finally got your 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.120 two hips for place. You down about fifty pounds. Talk 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:37.760 to us about that. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:42.920 Man, you know what it's getting weird. I'll be sixty, 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.800 which is crazy this year like ship next month, like 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.680 a month, not next year that this year, like in 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.840 a month. You know. I was talking to doctor Jay 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.800 recently and he's like, yeah, when I got to the NBA, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.600 him and Moses with like thirty five, we call him 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.520 gramps at thirty five. Now, I'm like, you know, me 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.280 and my boys are like yeah, man, you know we're 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.440 gonna be sixty like in a month. We got to 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.240 do something that's a blessing. So but my doctor told me, man, 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.640 especially you know, being Black, we don't take good care 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.880 of ourselves when it you know, want of obesity and 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.800 diabetes and things like that. It's rampant in our communities. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.719 And I had gotten really fat, to be honest with you, 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.719 I'd gained. I'd just gotten out of shape just for 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.159 being lazy, first and foremost, because I was in pain 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.000 all the time. I'm like, I'm tired of working out. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.479 So I worked out my whole life and I just 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.240 got tired. Then my hips got bad, and my doctor 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.000 he said, I'm gonna give you new hips. He said, 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.159 but you gotta lose weight. Man, he said, I see 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:39.640 a lot of fat young people. I don't see no 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.960 fat old people. He told me to get my ass 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.520 in shape. So in the last few months, I'm down 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.440 about right at fifty, but I got I gained like 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.280 ninety two. You know, you can't do anything when you 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.479 get those hips. So my goal in the next year. 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.400 So realistically, I played it two fifty. I can't get there. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.440 So I was up three fifty. So my goal is 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.520 to get to to seventy and two seventy. You don't 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.120 drop dead, hopefully being twenty pounds overweight, but I don't. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.800 You can drop dead and get diabetes and high if 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.000 you're like sixty seventy eighty pounds overweight. So right now 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.560 I feel great. I'm down fifty. My goal is to 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:19.800 get to about two seventy. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.479 Hey, and get back to change your diet or you 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:23.520 got to change your diet. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:28.280 You know, I'm trying like tough. Well, you know it's crazy. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.839 What's really weird? I only eat rice, corn and potatoes, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.320 and clearly everybody tries to tell me those the starchest, 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.400 which I don't know what the hell that means. Like, 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.000 so I'm trying to eat Brussels sprouts. It's only two 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.120 vegetables I really can stomach, to be honest with you, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:46.880 at Brussels sprouts because you can put like a little 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:51.960 turkey bacon in them and roasted Coulie flyer, you know. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.160 So you know, I like, like, okra, I'm not eating 0:05:55.160 --> 0:06:01.000 that shit avocado, but things like that. So, but like 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.800 I said, you got to eat because you can't at 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.800 our age. You guys a lot younger than me. I 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.640 can't work out enough to eat bad. I mean like 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.800 when I was in my prime, I told people my 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.240 pregame meal. I got two fish fil as, a large 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.080 fry and a die Coke. That was my pregame. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:21.920 You fished off with the diet coke. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.360 Well, I want to diet coke. I was like, let 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.880 me watch this down with a die But was it 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.440 was crazy the ship you could eat when you like anything. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.400 It was like after practice, you're driving home, I'm like man, 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.000 let me pick up me two fish fil as, a 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.240 large frytch that thing down with that big died coke. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.520 Take my pregame, AP, I'm good to go. Right now. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.320 You pass McDonald's, you gain weight. You don't even look 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.440 at it. That's right, that's funny. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.880 Man recently signed a ten year mega extension with tn 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.920 t F and graduations. Talk to us about that procescuse 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.680 I don't know if it was true rumors that the 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.200 Live Golf were trying to recruit you. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.560 And I had no problem with Live. I told my 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.920 boys because some of those guys my friends. They asked 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.800 me my I paid on Live. I said, yo, man, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.960 we're not the Morrow police. The United States do business 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.800 with China, the NBA do business with China, Saudi Arabia 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:20.000 and everything like that. Don't fall for the selective outrage. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.480 And I said, go take that money. You got to 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.440 take care of your family. I ain't gonna say, hey, 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:26.840 don't take money from here here, I said, because the 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.120 people actually knew where all their money came from, nobody 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.640 would be working. Thanks. Yeah, fact, that's facts. And I said, 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:37.360 so TNT called me in because my magic number was 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.880 sixty right around there, you know, I've been so lucky 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.200 and blessed. I played in the NBA for sixteen years, 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.480 been on television for twenty two going on twenty three. Paid. Yeah, 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.200 but I'm saying, if I don't have enough money by now, 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.960 I'm the biggest fucking I'm the biggest eating in the world. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.720 If I ain't got enough cash by now, I said, guys, 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:03.200 I'm winding down because one thing I'm very realistic about. 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.320 When I'm around old NBA players, I know my shit 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:12.520 ain't gonna be working later, but I don't care. I've 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.560 I got the privilege to be Charles Barkley and the 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.040 greatest life ever. But whatever happens down the line, because 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.800 for my body being worn down, beat up, it's all good. 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.760 I got to be at my mama house, my grandmother house. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.240 I got to send my nieces to college. I've lived 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:32.839 a great life and I know my body. Whatever happened 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.600 down the line happens. It is so I want to 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.960 be able to travel the world enjoy life for the 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.280 next few years before it all kicks in. Oh shit, 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.160 I could drop dead next week. It is what it is. 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.959 I ain't upset about that I've lived sixty years a 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.480 great life. So I say, hey, I want to wind down, 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.400 and they said to me, listen, this is the deal. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.320 We need you. And I love T and T. They've 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.880 been great to me. They says, we're gonna have to 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:06.560 bid on the NBA again. You know, we're paying like 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.440 two point five billion a year. That number is gonna 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.680 be close to probably four billion in a couple of years. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:18.120 And they said, we need you to stay on if 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.400 we're gonna bid that type of money. And I said, well, 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.640 I really want to wind down. They're like, well, we 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.080 need you to stay at least X amount of years, 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.440 three or four or five somewhere in there. But we 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.000 just want to make sure if you still want to 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.120 keep working, we want to sign for ten years. I said, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.120 there's no chance I'm gonna fucking be here in ten years. 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:43.280 I'm fucking seventy years old. And I said, I will 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.160 stay through the transition if y'all bid on the NBA. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.560 And I said, cause you guys have been great to me, 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.120 So I signed for ten years. I don't think it's 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.120 zero chance I'm gonna make it for ten years, but 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.800 those negotiations are going to start in the next year. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.719 And like I said, it's probably gonna be the thing 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.520 that scares them and they're worried about You know, you 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:10.320 saw what the NFL. Amazon came in, Yeah, and bought 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:16.199 the NFL. I think the NBA is gonna listen to Apple. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:20.520 It's gonna want sports now apparently and Amazon. So that 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.280 number could be way more than three or four billion 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:28.000 dollars because Apple and Amazon got all that cash. So 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.319 the next three years are going to be very interested 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.400 in the sports world. But I told them, hey, you 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.280 guys been great to me. I don't want to hang 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.520 you out to drive. If y'all gonna bid on the NBA, 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.440 I'll stay through the transition. I was happy to sign 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.680 a deal because they were great. But man, you know, 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.040 I've been so lucky. I want to thank Dick ever 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:53.280 saw my mentor who mentioned television to me, because you 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.720 guys in the same boat as me, and man, when 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.240 this shit over, you're like, I ain't got no job. 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.160 What I'm gonna do, what I'm gonna do. And I 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:05.640 tell brothers this, especially brothers. Yo, Man, you gotta find 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:10.320 something to do because you're still young. You ain't gonna 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.640 have no income coming in, and you got to find 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.959 a way to keep making money. That's why I told 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.000 you the beginning. I'm proud of y'all for doing y'all thing, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:22.280 because man, I call it an owl, the our syndrome, 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.960 because I get guys who call me They're like, yo, man, 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.199 I need some shoes. I'm like, dude, you blah blah, 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.760 get some shoes. You're like, yeo, man, I'm an hour now. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:35.520 You know. You know, people are like Stephen Hoo's like, 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.480 when you call it, try to get tickets and shoes 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.160 and things like, you can come an hour. I call 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.480 it and I said, oh, you're out now. I said, yep, 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.400 I don't get no free stuff anymore. But so you 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.679 got to find a way to stay in the game. 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.800 And I was so lucky because of Dick Episol to 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.560 go right into television. But man, you got that's why 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.080 you got to start. Number one. You got to save 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:00.120 your money. You got to plan for the future, and 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:01.719 you got to figure out what you want to do 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.319 because you got to find something to do because twenty 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.760 four to seven but nothing to do is dangerous. How 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.800 long you been at tennant twenty two, I'm going on 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:11.800 twenty three now, so them ten years gonna fly. By 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.480 them twenty two years, flu by it them ten years, 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.120 gonna fly, They're gonna fly Bay, you know. But jact, 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:20.320 my thing is, man, I want to travel the world 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.280 and enjoy my life before I you know. So now, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.760 the stuff that we do to our bodies ain't normal. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.760 And I don't call names. But when I go see 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.840 some of the old all time grades and see the 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.760 shape they're in, Like playing sports, it ain't it's the 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.120 greatest job in the world, but it staying for your body, 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.560 it gets your ass, It gets you. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.240 Did you see I mean, obviously the transition you may 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.800 look seamless and fun, but did you see yourself? I mean, 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.800 like you said, you're going on your twenty three of 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:53.600 talking about basketball. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.120 No, I had no idea. So when Dick ever saw 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.040 called me one day, he says, Charles, you want to 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.960 get together for dinner? I said, of course. So you guys, 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:06.960 y'all probably remember the NBA started on NBC. Yeah, I 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.600 tell people all the time, it's so funny being all 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.560 these motherfuckers think there's always been everybody had a cell phone. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.000 They think, like I'm so old. That was no ESPN 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.880 when we started. We flew commercial. My first three or 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.079 four years in the NBA, we flew commercial. Wow. I mean, 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.679 that's how crazy, that's how that's how long ago it was. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.959 And Dick Ebersol said to me, what do you think 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.560 about going on television? I says, I don't know what 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.920 I'm gonna do. I said, obviously I got to play 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.600 a couple more years, but I don't know. But he says, 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.040 I think you'll be good on TV. He said, I 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.120 think I think you'll be great on TV. He said, 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.360 you're always gonna be in trouble, Like, what does that mean? 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.200 He says, clearly, somewhere along the way you made up 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.440 your mind you're always just gonna be honest and deal 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.640 with the ramifications. I said, well, that was actually interesting 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.760 because when I first started becoming a star, I think 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.600 I was my third at the end of my second year, 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.120 of my third year in the NBA. Because my first 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.640 few years in the NBA, nobody talked to me. It 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:14.040 was Doc Moses, Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Tony, Bobby Jones. I 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.560 was the rookie. Monthy didn't even mention me, didn't come 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:20.800 to me. So when those guys started getting older, and 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:22.680 then at the end of my second year, I started 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.880 having success. My third year, I think I made the 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.680 All Star team and it was a so they started 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:32.280 coming to me, and I really wanted everybody to like me. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.080 And then I was like, you know, I was trying 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.960 to answer every question politically correct and blah blah blah. 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.640 And I pulled Doctor jlside one day. I said, Doc, 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.680 I'm having a hard time. He says, yeah, it's a 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.400 very Him and Moses probably were the two great influences 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.680 for me, talking about like Moses got me in shape. 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.120 But Doc Ta says, now this is a very slippery 0:14:55.160 --> 0:15:00.720 slope trying to answer every question and not make him 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.960 or him or her make it, not making them mad, 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.960 and he says it's impossible to do that. He says, 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.880 so you're gonna have to figure out how you want 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.280 to handle this. He said, you can try to make 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.920 everybody happy, or you can be honest, but would honesty 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:22.480 come and repercussions? And I tried to do it the 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.400 politically rate in the beginning, and I'm like, I'm still 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.840 getting shipped from other people, and I'm like, I'm going 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.360 to be honest. He says, now they're gonna be coming 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.840 for you. You better be great. At basketball. But you 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:38.480 can get away with saying what you want to if 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:42.200 you're greate a basketball. If you suck at basketball and 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.400 you honest, they're gonna come get your ass. And I'm like, okay, 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.120 I better be great a basketball. So when I was 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.680 sitting with mister Eversall at that meeting, he says, you 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:53.920 what happened to make you be honest? He said, I 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.040 tried pleasing everybody, and I realized I couldn't. You guys 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:01.480 know it's impossible mad about something. Yeah, So I said, 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:05.000 I'm just gonna be honest and straightforward. And people get mad. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.440 Fuck them, they get mad. And I made that decision 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.760 to just be a straight shooter. And he says, you're 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:13.720 gonna be great, but you're always gonna be in trouble 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.760 because people gonna get mad at what you say. And 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.960 that was kind of the turning point in this whole thing. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.560 And like I say, people get mad, and I've lost 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:28.440 friends and you know, people get mad. But I can 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.320 say this, I've never said anything on television personally about 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.600 a person. I look at the situation. I try to 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.760 be honest, I try to be fair. I've criticized the 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.840 good ones. I've criticized the great ones, I criticized the 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.280 bad one, but I actually feel say I can also 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:49.960 say I think I've been very fair, especially as a player. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:52.880 Even when I have to criticize the player, I try 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.160 to be fair about him. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.080 That's really a kind of a common theme in the 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.760 media right now. Obviously former players transitioning, but then they're 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.880 almost being a disconnect between former players and current players 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.520 based off what former players are saying. What is that 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.080 sensitive players is that sometimes you guys feel like, because 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.800 you guys are great, that you can talk and Shack 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.159 calls a G fourteen classic white conversation, like, how do 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:18.400 you feel that is right now? 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.920 Well, number one, that's a great question. Today's players hate 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.040 anybody will say and think bad about them. But the 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.760 first advice that I left out of that storriitated about 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.320 doctor j The first thing he said to me because 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.480 I was pissed at some guys that says some things 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.040 about me. He says, young fella, take a step back, 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.560 he said. The first question is it true? I said 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:46.720 what he says. When somebody says something about you, even 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.600 if it's negative, it can be true. Right. It's might 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:51.800 want to hear it yeah, he said. Yeah, he says, 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.760 don't get mad every time somebody says something like First 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.440 of all, they're doing their job. That's the media's job. 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.359 There's some guys I hate number one who everybody know. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.000 I hate Skip Basis because I think he deliberately When 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:11.200 you're on television, it's a very powerful thing. People in Idaho, Nebraska, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.439 South Dakota, Maine, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, they're like, well, this 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.320 guy said it on television. I believe it. It must 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.120 be true. So I'm very careful. I never talk about 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:27.240 people's personal life, you know. And we've had some conversations 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.439 about people's sexuality. I said, I don't come in on 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.800 people's sexuality. I got plenty of gay friends, I got 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:37.800 plenty of transgender friends. That's off limits. And I'm never 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.000 going to answer no questions like that. But I said, 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.960 I'm never gonna get in their personal business. That's not 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.480 our business. But I'm my criticism or if I said 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.760 some positives, is gonna be one h percent on basketball. 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.600 But there's guys I watch on television. I said, oh, 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.640 he don't like that guy. You could tell that. Yes, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.440 I said, that ain't right. Your personal opinion should never matter, 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:03.520 should never matter. And he said to me, when somebody 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.960 said something about you as a player, the first question 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:11.479 is is it true. And these guys today, if they 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.239 hear something negative about them, they just gonna react. And 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.280 I don't get mad. But I never go back into 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:22.720 him either, because the way these lightweight media people like, 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:27.560 they love when y'all go back to you see what 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.840 Charles said about this guy. You see what he said. 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.320 Back to Charles. You see what Charles said there. I said, oh, man, 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.120 don't get those lightweights no ammunition. That's the only talent 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.280 they have. That's the only talent they have. And then 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.400 and Jack, you know what's fun about it. They ain't 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.280 never touched the ball in it, never touched the ball 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:43.800 of their life. 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.280 You and KD kind of have an interesting back and 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:47.840 forth when you guys see each other in portion. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.879 Is it How is that situation or relationship or is 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:55.840 there one? He's always been cordial to me. I'm always 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:57.760 gonna be cordial to him. He's taking some shots to 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:03.639 me and I've taken he se Kat doesn't get okay. 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.639 So what I said was I said, KT is a great, 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.919 great player. He is a great, great player. He's sensitive, 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.280 one hundred percent sensitive. But what I said, and I 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.879 stick by. I said, KT is a great, great player, 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:23.600 but he's gonna have to win a championship with Doctor 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.480 Warriors to get the Old Heads respect. And I said, 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.920 and I used the analogy. I said, Kobe Bryant, one 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.320 of the greatest ever, said I had to win a 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:38.760 championship without that. Lebron says, I had to win a 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:43.800 championship without Dwayne and Chris. The rules are already there. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.000 Just because you don't want to follow the rules, you 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.920 can get mad and call me names. I'm just gonna 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.520 tell you the way, me and the Old Heads and 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:56.800 we talked about it, was like, hey, KT's a great 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.760 he's an really great player, but he gonna have to 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.399 win a championship before we put him up here with 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.320 these guys. And I said, I said, Kobe Bryant has 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.879 said that. He said, hey, I had to win a 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:09.240 championship without Shock. 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:11.600 It's just I mean, it's just just simple. KKD won 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.000 a championship on his own. People just gonna look at 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:14.480 him different. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.720 And I said, and he can get mad. He called 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.120 me names and things. I said, Hey, Canty, I said, 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:24.280 and Lebron as much as I love Lebron, I said, Yo, man, 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.120 we ain't gonna give your flowers until you win one 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:30.640 without Dwayne. I said, you joined them and y'all won, 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.240 and he said he says I had to win one 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.000 without Dwayne. I was like, yeah, those are the rules, 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.879 and you can get mad when guys said like, but 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.280 those are the rules. It's like, it's like my rules. Hey, 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.280 I'm in the Hall of Fame, but I'm in a 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.040 different wing than the guys who won the championship. I 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:51.600 mean fame. I no idea, but I'm saying, though, Jack, hey, 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:57.359 I understand. I understand the rules, Like Charles are great, 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.199 call Malong's great, practice UN's great. They're not at the 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:07.640 table with Magic Bird, Lebron Kobe. It's levels to this shit. 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.479 And I ain't mad at that. I understand that. Now 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.560 if I could have won a championship, I can go 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:17.000 over across the room. But the rules are the rules. 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.080 We don't we we have to play by the rules. 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.439 And this ain't gotten nohe with motherfucker's on TV who 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:27.120 get paid to talk shit. We talked about players. We're 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:31.639 talking about players. We understand, like, yeah, hey, I'm not 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:34.240 at the table with Bird. Imagine those guys. Hey, yeah, 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:37.119 am I a great player? Yes I am. I understand that, 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.680 But there are levels and there's tables to this thing. 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:46.520 Steph went up last year, yep, like he was already 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:50.480 in the room. He got to come over like Isaiah Thomas. 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.440 He like, yeah, okay, Steph, come on over now. Yeah, 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.680 come on over now. I said, like, okay, because Ai, 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:04.760 Isaiah John Stock and those are probably three best little 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.960 guys ever to play the game. And Steph was an 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:12.200 all time guy. But now he gets to move over 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:16.240 like in the Isaiah category. Yes, yes, yeah, so man. 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:17.920 But and I tell him, I said, but I don't 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:21.320 mind these guys like I. But is he the only 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:23.359 thing I hate about? To be honest with you, the 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:30.920 motherfuckers special KD Kobe guys like that. I did all 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:33.280 time great. But the only time I've ever gotten mad 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:35.480 at those two guys because me and Kobe had to 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.800 stay one night. Remember that game where he wouldn't shoot. 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.520 We had that game that night. I remember seeing that 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:47.320 and Kobe starts texting me calling me motherfucker, asshole, a 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:51.679 bit jack. It was one of the funniest things ever. 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:54.960 So we got that game, and I see, yo, man, 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:57.120 as much as I love Kobe Brown, when he did 0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.040 tonight was total bs. He wouldn't shoot each other. I 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:01.680 think he took one shot in the second half and 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:03.399 I was like, I didn't like that. Ernest said, what 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:05.080 do you mean? He was trying to prove a point. 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:07.760 They were getting their ass kicked. He don't have a 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:10.560 lot of help, I said, but that's what separates him 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:12.560 from Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan were like when he played 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:14.199 against her, help He's like, now I'm gonna get sixty. 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:16.600 Kobe was trying to prove a point. I didn't have 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:20.000 no help. So he starts texting me after the game. 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:21.399 So you know, we get off around one to two 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.359 in the morning. He texted me like twenty five times, 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:26.200 called me every name in the book, and I'm texting 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.320 it back. Yo man, pick up the phone and call me. 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:30.600 No fuck you, fuck you, motherfucker. Fuck you, but just 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:32.879 bullshit what you said? We go ba. I mean. He 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.120 called me like and this goes on for like two 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:39.120 three hours, and I said, Yo man, I'm tired. I'm 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:43.399 going to bed. Fuck you motherfucker. Go to bed, and 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:45.520 it ss. He texted me probably twenty times, and it 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:49.680 was just motherfucker, motherfucker, motherfucker. And he said, we see 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.160 each other like months, ladies. Man, I'm sorry, I said, man, 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.520 you know what, it's all good. You allowed to vent. 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.200 We hug each other. That's basically what he was doing. Yeah, 0:24:57.359 --> 0:24:59.680 and then we hugged each other and we were always cool. 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.520 But it's never personal. I just didn't like what he 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.320 did that night. But the point I was going to 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:10.520 make is these guys, like when I said I had 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:12.200 been saying for three years that dude is the best 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:14.240 basketball player in the world. He never called me and 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:18.480 said thank you. These guys, I said nine great things 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:21.800 about the one, not one like Charles, thank you for 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:27.320 the kind words. Hey, I never get that text. You know, 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:31.240 KT played like ship tonight, Hey fuck you Charles Barkley. 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.840 I'm getting that on Twitter and things like that. So 0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:36.560 that's the only time I get mad. I get mad. 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:39.360 Then I laughed. They never called me and said, hey man, 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.320 thank you kind word. But if I say one bad day, 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:48.640 I said nine great things one they go and that's yeah, 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:50.320 that's the time. That's the only time I get mad. 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.040 Why don't you have a text me saying great. What 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.600 I'm saying, how great you are? Right? Thank you? 0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:09.760 Question you mentioned Skip Baylis obviously recently with the unfortunate 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:12.240 situation that have went tomar Hamlin on the bills, he 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.680 just had an untimely tweet and I think he thought 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:17.159 that he could say some bullshit and then say something 0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:20.280 kind of you know, meaningful at the end and we 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:23.439 wouldn't see through the bullshit that was brought to attention. 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.200 But then also the way he's just kind of been 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.679 disrespecting his co host and you have to see Shannon 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.000 kind of take it to the breath every once in 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.080 a while. What is just your take on what he 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:34.640 is doing and just how disrespectful I feel like he 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:36.320 is to players, And now his co host is. 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:42.880 Open, So I really I don't like the guy. Because 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:48.720 television a very powerful weapon, right, very powerful. One of 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:53.200 my mentors is Mike Wilboden. He's one by it. I admire, 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.240 really respect and because he did my last three books 0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:00.280 and he's become like a big brother, father figure. But 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.800 he said something very interesting to me, and I already 0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:08.480 knew it. He says, man being on television is crazy. 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.040 I said, what do you mean? He says, I've been 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:15.520 into Washington Post for twenty five years. Did it all? 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.359 Nobody in the world knew who I was. I go 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:23.639 on TV for a year. I can't go nowhere without 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.359 people running up on me. And I said, man, TV 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:31.760 is amazing, Like it's such like everybody know who's on television, 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:35.560 especially if you're successful, you're on television a lot. It 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:41.000 is really a big like everybody watched television and skip 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:46.399 to me when these guys are real people. And I 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:50.639 don't mind you criticizing guys. It can never be personal, right, 0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:53.840 And one thing I hate about the media. You can 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:57.720 tell guys they like and dislike. You can't talk about 0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:00.399 people on television like that. He had to be fair 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:04.119 and honest with people, and I think he is. You 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:07.080 can tell who he likes, you can tell who he 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:11.880 dislikes because he makes it personal. Like you can't say 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.000 bad stuff about Lebron James. 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.879 But everything out your mouth can't be bad. Yes, you 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:20.360 know what I'm saying. It's impossible. It's impossible. It's impossible. 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:22.600 And I've said this before. 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.520 I think Lebron James is the greatest sports story of 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:33.760 all time. You know, you look at Kobe, Kevin Garnett, 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:39.520 Tracy McGrady. I think those probably three of the greatest 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:44.720 straight to high school players. Yes, Dwight, yeah he's great, 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.920 but they all struggled in the beginning. He's been in 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.960 his prime since they one day one. That's why I 0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.920 said for him to come into the NBA at eighteen 0:28:56.000 --> 0:29:00.400 years old. He was really good. We had this game 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:04.600 I think on tn TM, Yes, he played really good. 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.840 But in this generation with social media, he's never gotten 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:13.360 in trouble. He's lived up to all the hype, brought 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:17.000 his boys along. Yes, I think it's probably the greatest 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:22.400 story in sports history. Agree, Like, I'm like to beat 0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:26.320 the number one, be as good from eighteen and never 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.400 really get in trouble in this society where people are 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.720 out to get you phones everywhere everywhere. I think it's 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:36.400 probably the greatest sports story of all time. I mean, 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.880 it's just amazing what he's accomplished, what he's did and 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:46.480 never gotten in trouble. But to skips disrespect toward him, 0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:52.280 I do not like it the way he's treating Shannon. Clearly, Hey, 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:54.479 Tom Brady is to go, we get that, get it. 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:59.720 You don't have to like your manah right, like that 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.120 But first of all, this dude in the Hall of Fame, 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:05.800 he won three Super Bowls night chop Liver. He ain't 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:13.560 chop Liver, but he is. He's been rewarded so much 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.520 for doing that. Yeah, the way he has made his 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:23.000 money and made his living, I have a problem with it, because, man, 0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.480 if you make it to the pros, you a hell 0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:29.160 of a player. Period. I tell people, hey, is everybody 0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.440 Lebron or kd No, But that number twelve guy on 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:37.360 the NBA team, his journey is amazing. If you get 0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:39.440 to be one of the best four hundred basketball players 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:40.320 in the world. 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.440 And less than five thousand to ever even play in 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:46.680 the Yes, And man. 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:52.760 I love these guys. That's a little stupid ball. It's 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.040 given me every single thing in my life. I ain't 0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.840 never had no real job and don't want one, don't 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.200 I admire these dudes who go men and women who 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.760 work nine to five and they're doing it for twenty 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.080 seven thousand dollars a year with a smile on. And 0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:12.160 I'm like, damn, I admire you, But I don't want 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.080 that shit. I want to driple that little stupid ass 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:16.120 ball up and down the court. I want to stay 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.000 in the four Seasons in the Risk card, I want 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.840 to travel the country. I tell these guys, man, we're 0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.120 the luckiest dudes in the world far. Whenever I get 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.640 ready to kill over, I just want to be able 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.720 to say thank you, big fella. I can't believe this. 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.520 I like, man, because of that little stupid ass ball, 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.400 I don't seen the world. I remember one time I 0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:43.040 was sitting at the White House with President Obama because 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.640 I'm my hometown only got a couple thousand people. I'm 0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:49.360 from Leeds, Alabama. Shout out to Leeds a couple thousand people, 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:54.080 and growing up in the projects, I'm thinking, like, I 0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.880 ain't even thinking about sports. I only started playing basketball 0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.120 because I want to go to college for free. Never 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:01.880 thought I was gonna make it to the NBA. And 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.640 I was like sometimes when I go home and visit, 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.280 I was like, man, I grew up in that project 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:11.280 right over there, and I'm like, because of that little 0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:16.480 stupid ass ball, I'm like, I can't believe. Sixty years 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:18.960 later and I was just sitting there looking at him, 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.840 I'm like, Wow, this is crazy. A little kid from Leed's, 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:24.640 Alabama's in the White House and I got one of 0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:30.320 my most prized possessions. I was laughing. He said, Chuck, 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:32.920 you've been in the Oval Office. I said, oh yeah, 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.800 we go there all the time. I said, mister President, 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.400 hell no, I ain't never been to the office. And 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:41.280 there's a picture. He says, let me show you the 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:44.440 Oval office. And you know, he always with a photographer. 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:46.320 And I didn't even notice the photographer. To be honest 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.680 with you. A month later, it's a picture got on 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.760 my wall. Cherish it. It's me and him standing in 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.320 the Oval Office. And I can say I didn't even 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.400 notice that the photographer. He ain't up his ass. He's 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:01.040 like standing back taking pictures with the president. And President 0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.360 Obama sent me this picture of me and him stad 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:05.920 and I remember getting to text from all my friends 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:09.320 telling me like, yo, man, we're so proud of you. 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.800 I'm like, what the hell are you talking about. They're like, 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.680 you know, man, there's a picture on the internet that 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.680 you and President Obama in the over Office. I said, 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.480 I haven't seen it. And it came like a month 0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:24.360 or two later, and when I got the picture, I'm like, damn, man, 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:29.840 this is so crazy and awesome. My little hometown seeing 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.760 me in the over Office with the President of the 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.640 United States, a black president of the United States, with 0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.800 all the recial bullshit that went on in Alabama. They're like, 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.640 a black president you in the Oval office from a 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.800 town a couple thousand people. It was amazing. It's amazing. 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:48.080 Since you're speaking on Leeds. 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.320 How difficult was it growing up there, you know, doing 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:52.680 the Jim Crow era and all that. 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.120 Why he was trying to figure yourself out as a kid. 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.719 You know, it's interesting. We didn't even feel any of that, 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.200 to be honest with you, because it's so small. But 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:08.640 now that I look back, Jack ship is crazy and 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:10.440 you don't even know it because the kids, we don't know. 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.840 That's like we didn't even know we were poor, Like 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:19.040 we didn't even know we were poor. Because but the 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.239 ship is crazy now that I think about it. Man, 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:28.880 we had a black and a white homecoming queen. Really yeah, wow, seriously, 0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:32.799 and the ship is crazy. You're like, I guess they 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:36.279 didn't want no drama. They didn't want no drama, you think. 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:38.360 I mean, like I said, I don't. I can't prove it, 0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:40.840 but they're like, no, We're gonna have a black and 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.800 a white homecoming queen. What's crazy? Like, dude, we're taping 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.520 this here in Atlanta. It was a controversy, like in 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:52.560 the last couple of years. Well, the kids wanted to 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:57.960 uh have a one prom and some of the parents like, 0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:02.320 hell no, I mean so so racism exists, always has, 0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:06.200 always will and you just have to deal with the 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:10.200 BS as I call it. But like these kids like, yeah, 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.480 we don't want this shit anymore. We're gonna have one problem, 0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:15.840 And some of the parents are like, no, we're not. 0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.360 And it was right here in Georgia. Stuck. They stuck 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:23.840 in their ways. But so but I a couple of 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.080 things about Leeds. It was a great place to grow up, 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:33.480 even though all hell was breaking loose in Birmingham. We're 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.480 about twenty to thirty minutes from Birmingham. You know, we 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:40.239 had the church bombing in Birmingham. Sell Us right up 0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:46.239 the street, Montgomery's right up a couple hours away. My 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:51.840 grandmother told me about it later, but we didn't know, 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:57.880 I mean because we got the rabbit as on the TV. 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:02.400 So you're not really getting world view right. But my grandmother, 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.560 the greatest person ever in my life. She made me 0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:08.879 learn who Nelson Mandela was. She made me learn who 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:11.719 doctor King was. She made me learn, make me learn 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:15.000 who Mecca Evers is. She was such a great woman. 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:17.959 But the one thing she always talked to me about 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:23.040 was race. She says, Now, listen, judge people, she said, 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.320 cause there are a lot of great white people out here. 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:31.160 She says, you don't grow up believing it's us against them. 0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:35.480 She says, these white people who in my life, they're amazing. 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.040 And that was really important, Like, because there are a 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.640 lot of black people who are full of shit, who 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.480 like they're not They're like they're black, but they're not 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:46.879 helping our race, and there are a lot of white 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.320 people out there who are helping our race. I actually 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:52.600 learned what was really cool for me. There's a great 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:56.279 civil rights hero named ct Vivian who passed away in 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:58.680 the last couple of years. When I was doing my 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.280 documentary on race Dead a few years ago, he says, now, y'ass, 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:06.279 I want you to remember something. I know you're trying 0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.879 to bring the races together. I want you to know 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.120 there's always been a lot of race people being racial together. 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:14.000 I said, what do you mean, mister Bibby, And he says, 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:16.759 you know, when we talk about civil rights, we talk 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.720 about most majority of other black people, you know, doctor 0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:22.719 King and those guys like that. He said, I want 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.399 you to let you know that there was a lot 0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:29.200 of great white people marching with us got killed and thinks, 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.440 I said, mister Bibby, and I promise you, I'll make 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:35.360 sure people know that. And that was really cool because 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:39.160 our and our you know, you know, Jack, we get 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:41.840 and I'm part of the business too. We're in the 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.719 media business. Man, we get beat over the head so 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:49.800 much on negativity because it's really crazy. The negativity sells thanks, 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.719 you know. I was, me and Ernie were talking about 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.640 me and Ernie have a podcast, and I was we 0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:00.400 were talking about Demor Hamlin and I said, man, I 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:04.320 was so touched by I think they've up to about 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:07.759 seven eight million dollars ten million. It's ten close to ten, 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.120 I says, man, there's so many great people out here, 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.360 But in our business, we don't talk about the great people. 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:17.120 We tell like, hey, hey, get on TV and talk 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.759 bad about your coach and other players. We'll put you 0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:23.840 on TV. But that's and unfortunately that's the world we 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.960 live in in the media. Like Prince Harry, I don't 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.359 know this dude, Like, yeah, trash, your brother trash, the King, 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.640 prash trash everybody like, yeah, we're gonna put you on 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:36.960 every TV show. And I don't know if he's telling 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.000 the truth or not. I don't judge that that's his truth, 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.839 but I'm like, yeah, if you're gonna talk bad about 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:43.960 the future King of England, talk bad about your dad 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:47.120 who's the king of England, talk bad about your stepmother, Like, 0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:49.319 we're gonna put you, We're gonna put you on TV, 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.719 on every network. You can write a book. That's the 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.919 world we live in now. Like I say, I don't 0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:58.520 know this dude, but we don't talk enough about positive 0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:02.280 and we just I'm like, yo, man, white people, black people, 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:04.719 all types of people gave this dude close to ten 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.480 million dollars that you say, and they don't know him, 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:11.560 but that touched everybody, and I wish that we would. 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:15.239 I wish positively sell more than negativity. I say this 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:16.520 all the time, like two things. 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:20.880 People will tell you, dang, you're giving you giving back somebody, 0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:23.279 but why you posting it? But then again, if I 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:25.160 don't post it, you say, I ain't doing nothing for 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:25.760 the community. 0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:27.960 Oh my god, you know what I'm saying. It's like crazy, 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.640 you posted, you're thirsty for it, but if you don't 0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:31.600 post it, you ain't doing them. 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:33.480 But then again, it's like a lot of people don't 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:34.200 understand man. 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:38.000 It's like we just had this conversation number one. First 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:41.000 of all, one hundred percent correct. I'm gonna tell you why. 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:46.719 So my goal I've been given a million dollars a 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:51.600 year away to charity. So I started out at my 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.520 high school because I want the kids to go to college. 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:59.479 And I went to my college Auburn, then at Warriager Brother, 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:05.960 and I did Wounded Warriors, But the last eight years 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:13.720 I did HBCUs and I just did another one about 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:17.480 two weeks ago. And Kenny says, Ernie, can you repeat that? 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.840 He says, yeah, Chuck, Chuck just gave another couple of 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:26.880 million dollars to Jackson State. Jackson State and Bethune Cookman 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.080 ready to shout out to Reggie theisters, the head coach there. 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.239 And Kenny says, can you repeat that again? Ernie says, yeah, 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:37.399 Chuck just gave his eight million dollars to HBCU. He says, Chuck, 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:42.080 why don't you tell people? I says, I want to 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.040 do it because it's I want to give back, he says. 0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:48.520 He said, and that's the problem. Chuck does all this. 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.720 He don't tell anybody. I said, yeah, if I tell everybody, 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:53.600 gonna be like Chuck always braging about how much money 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:58.359 to get a charity. So I don't tell anybody. Yeah, 0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:01.600 He's like, he don't do shit for the blackmmunity said. 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:05.920 I said, Yo, man, I'm not. As I tell my daughter, 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:10.359 I said, let me tell you something. Don't you ever 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:14.279 get these idiots power over you. If somebody said, like, 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:16.640 I'm going back way back when she's a young kid, 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.440 shout out to my little grandson. Just became a grandpa. 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:24.720 You know. Ernie and Clark Kellogg, two of the greatest 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.319 people I've ever known, said, man, being a grandpa gonna 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:32.640 be the greatest thing ever happened to you. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, okay, 0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:38.799 And I'm like it's gonna be good. I know. I 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.759 called both of those guys. I said, all right, man, 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:43.440 this is the greatest thing you ever have to be 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:47.080 in my entire life. Shout out to little Henry. It's 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:49.719 the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me. And 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:51.720 I'm wanted to see my daughter as a grown person. 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:57.480 But the point I was making was I told her, 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:04.120 if somebody criticizes you, says bad thanks to you, you 0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:07.080 just keep walking, keep doing great in school, you'd be 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:10.680 a great person. You already broke my heart and we 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:14.719 didn't play basketball. I was like, to dude, it was 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:19.240 so crazy, Jack. My daughter went to Villanova and Columbia. 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:22.759 She's a great person. She's a really nice person and 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:24.600 a great person. She's gonna be it. She's a great 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:27.600 wife and a great mom. Really proud of her. But 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:29.800 I got to tell you something, man. So my daughter, 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:32.719 she was like two years old. She was like six 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:38.320 feet tall, and I'm like, I'm gonna have the best 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:42.160 female basketball player in the world. I can't wait to 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:45.440 teach her shit, I says, I'm gonna send her to 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:47.720 the best camps. I'm gonna work with her during the summer. 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:53.720 I'm all pumped. Six feet tall, full five six seven 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.680 eight nine ten. I'm like, come on, girl, be a 0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:00.120 teenager so i can teach you all my shit. How 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.560 she become a teenager, I say, hey, you're gonna are 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:11.120 you ready? We started playing. I don't think she liked basketball, 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:21.839 said Christiana. When those girls get close to you pop them, Dad, 0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:24.359 I might hurt them. Say yeah, that's the objective. I'm 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.600 bigger than they are. I'm like, yeah, that's an advantage. 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:27.480 Mm hmm. 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:35.319 Okay, okay, hey, can we get together after school today? Yeah, 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:37.279 of course, that what we're gonna talk about. As you 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:41.839 like basketball? Oh Dad, I don't like sports? Yeah right there? 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:50.760 What do you mean I don't like sports? Okay, okay, 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.600 just be a good person. I love you. You're the greatest. 0:43:53.680 --> 0:44:00.560 I love you. Go in the room like sports like basketball. 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.680 And after I cried, I got over it, and I 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:05.839 said and I told my friends, I say, yo, man, 0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:08.120 my daughter just crushed me today. She told me she 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:09.960 don't like sports. And I said, but you know what, 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.640 she's a great person. She's a straight a student and 0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:15.600 proud of the woman she is. But man, I was like, 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.280 I spent my you know, I'm writing down notes teaching 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.600 her to jump, hook up and under I'm gonna work 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.320 with her on her footwork. She's like, oh damn, I 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.840 don't like sports. It was brutal. I got five girls, 0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:30.400 and so I know the feeling. 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:35.120 You stay at home for school Auburn, yes, any other 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:37.680 schools was coming at you and so through some big 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:38.520 bags your way. 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:42.319 No, no, the thing is crazy, and you guys don't 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:44.319 even know this. Man I grew. I wasn't even good 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:46.279 at basket of a girl spurt right. I went from 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.520 five to ten to sixty five in one year. I 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:50.920 did too, so nobody even knewho the hell I was 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:55.880 because they're like, I'm not on anybody's radar, and no 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.280 schools will recruit me. I'm a five to ten backup 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:02.279 point guard. Oh yeah, I'm back back up too. I'm 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:06.480 not even no good. I ain't no good, And so 0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:10.480 then it's too late to get recruited. So then only 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:16.600 Alabama already UAB is recruiting me because everybody's already signed. 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:21.480 So I'm leaning toward you because I'm really close to 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.319 my mother and grandmother. Rest in peace, ladies, Thank y'all, 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:29.520 love y'all, misch y'all. So only three schools, big schools 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:36.479 are recruiting me, So uabas in Birmingham, so it's right there. 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.879 But they make it to the sweet sixteen and they 0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:45.280 got everybody coming back. Then Tuscaloosa is close. They actually 0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:48.239 make it to the sweet sixteen and got everybody coming back, 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.280 and they signed the best big man in the country 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:54.440 who's from Alabama, a guy named Bobbi Lee Hurt. And 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:56.720 it's wildly who was the best point guard in the country. 0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:02.799 So then I go down to Auburn. Auburn's lost like 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:07.480 twelve games in a row, and I'm looking and I said, 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:11.640 these motherfuckers are awful. So me and the coach are 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:15.959 sitting there and I said, coach, you got a pin 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:19.320 on you. You know, people bugging me saying hello, signed 0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:21.719 a couple of autographs, blah blah blah. I said, coach, 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:25.360 you got a pin on you. He says, oh, you 0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:28.040 big time. You're gonna start signing autographs and shit, I said, no, 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.560 I'm signing up here. He said what he says, I'm 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.080 watching our team play. These motherfuckers ain't no good. I 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:36.640 can play here. And it turned into the best decision 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:41.280 ever going to Auburn. But Jack, I tell these dudes, 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:44.520 you know, I talk to players all the time. I said, listen, 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:47.400 don't talk to me about the education part, because if 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:50.319 you want a education, you're gonna get it. I said, 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:53.040 your number one criteria is when you're decide where you're 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.919 going to go to college, is playing time. I said, 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:59.880 because if you go, especially if you go way so 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.879 where away, if you don't get to play, there's gonna 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:06.920 be a miserable experience. Experience. Yeah, it's gonna be awful. 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.360 Your school word's gonna suck, but you're gonna be homesick. 0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.120 Because what people don't understand is, man, everybody can play 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:18.000 in college. Everybody can play in college because when you're 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.160 in high school and you're a great player or a 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:24.200 really good player, you're only gonna play against five to 0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:28.000 ten players who are on your level. But when you 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:32.320 go to college, everybody's on your level. Everybody's on your level. 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.520 When you go play Vanderbilt, like, damn, they got good players. 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:39.840 You go Mississippi State, I go Jeff Malone, kil Patrick Wells, 0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:45.920 Dominique had Georgia, James Banks, Burn Fleming, Terry Fair, and 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:50.960 those guys Alabama had Bobbly Hurt, Eddie Phillips. So the 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:54.000 number one criteria like, yo, man, you need to get 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:57.760 to play. So Auburn gave me a great opportunity to play, 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:00.719 and I got to play right away as a freshman 0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.719 and it was three great years and I loved it. 0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:11.319 Any good stories from both with Bo Jackson well, so 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.880 we had a great high school football team. You know, 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.279 we all you know, all the jocks hang out. So 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:21.960 we played bowl's high school and Bows one of the 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.359 few athletes who the same size in high schools. He 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.799 was in Yeah, he was a monster in high school. Yes, 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.800 like everybody else get bigger when they go to college, 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:37.000 he was there already. Bowl We go play Bowls high 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:43.799 school and it was one of the most amazing things. 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:46.080 Like every time he touched the ball that he's just 0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:50.760 scored or a broke, like a fifteen twenty yard run, 0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:55.239 and it's like he's already bigger and faster than everybody else, 0:48:56.560 --> 0:49:02.360 Like he's bigger than our defensive lineman. I mean, but 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:05.959 it was so beautiful to watch. And then he comes 0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:10.480 to auburnd the next year, and I tell people, one 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:12.920 of the coolest things for me was get an opportunity 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:16.920 to watch that dude play football every Saturday in person. 0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:22.520 And we're great friends to this day. But I just 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:24.879 liked being with that dude. But man, it was such 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:29.640 a it was a pleasure and an honor to watch 0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:35.080 that dude play football every Saturday. That talented man. That's unbelievable. 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:38.000 Eighty four you go in the draft, you go number five, 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.160 same draft with MJ and the King. What was the 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:43.239 state of the league in eighty four when you came in? 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:48.080 You know, I spent the last couple of days with 0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:52.839 Magic Johnson shooting the Capitol One commercials, And every time 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:57.040 I see him, I tell him thank you, because Mattie 0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:01.400 Johnson and Larry Bird are the two most important figures 0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:06.040 in NBA history. I agree, Well, people don't understand. To 0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:10.000 answer your question, people look at this thing now where 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:13.640 guys are making thirty forty fifty million dollars. When I 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:18.680 came in, it was uh David Stearn's first year. The 0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:22.759 average salary was two hundred thousand dollars. Magic and Bird, 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:26.799 those guys changed the entire trajectory of the NBA and 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:33.200 made it what it is today because Magic and I 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.759 told him the story, I says, and I'm playing with 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:40.120 doctor J. Moses. I remember the first time Magic when 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:42.839 he made a million dollars, we were going around high 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.840 five of each other. We couldn't believe an NBA player 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.160 made a million dollars. That was Magic. He's the first 0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:49.840 player to make a million dollars. But year was that 0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:54.319 it was eighty five, eighty six somewhere in there. 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:56.560 But he sounded like it was like a twenty. 0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:59.719 Five years twenty five million, yeah, a million yeah, And 0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:02.880 we like and Moses like, I'm not talking about regular 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.440 guys on the team. I'm talking like they had never 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:10.040 made a million dollars before. But it's all so the 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:15.520 state of the league was like two black, a bunch 0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:20.759 of druggies, a bunch of thugs, Gay the finals will 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:23.920 tape the lads. That was only one game a week. 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:28.440 And it's all because of Magic and Bird who changed 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.640 the whole dynamic of the league. So every time I 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:34.759 see those guys, they I want them to know, Man, 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:38.239 thank you. It took a kid from Leeds to Alabama 0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.000 to like I said, I was able to build my 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:43.279 mother and grandmother house. I was able to send all 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:46.680 my nieces nieces to college, my daughter to the best colleges. 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:51.120 Because one of the greatest travesers of this country, the 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:53.560 greatest country in the world, is what we charge these 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:56.120 kids to go to school. Ridiculous. It's ridiculous and a 0:51:56.200 --> 0:52:01.880 joke because what we do is we eliminate probably seventy 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:05.040 eighty percent of kids who are probably smart enough yeah, 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:07.880 don't have the opportunity. They think they can't borrow that 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:10.959 much money for it. I mean, you know, my daughter 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:15.239 loved going to Villanova, loved it, she loved going to 0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.640 Columbia grad school. There are a lot of kids who 0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:21.000 probably just as smart as my daughter who got no 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:25.239 chance of going to Villanova or Colombia, but because of economics, 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:29.560 they can't go to those schools. So man, I wish 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:31.480 we could find a way to do something about that, 0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:33.279 really help. 0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:38.840 Very rare for a top five pick to join a 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:42.080 stable team. And you spoke to Moses's importance and doctor 0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:46.520 j how important those two guys, and right off the 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:48.680 bat as soon as you landed in the league. 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:51.879 Moses is the best thing ever happened to me from 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:57.880 a basketball standpoint. So, Maddie, when I was in college, 0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:01.560 I played about right at three hundred pounds. My weight 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:07.040 fluctuated between two ninety and three hundred. I was out. 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:16.080 You know, that's only one meal, so it's so I play. 0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:20.319 I played about basically two ninety five, but I was 0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:25.200 having success. I think, even to this day, I'm the 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:28.680 only person Gods didn't leave school early. You only left 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:32.879 after your junior year in my day. So I think 0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:34.680 to this day, I'm still the only person to lead 0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:39.239 to SEC and rebound in three straight years. So I 0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:45.080 don't think anything wrong. Yeah damn, oh yeah, and Jack, 0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:48.279 I don't think i'm doing I'm having success. I don't 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:51.600 think I'm doing anything wrong. Like one of the hardest 0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:54.080 things in life is when you're successful to know if 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:58.160 you're doing anything wrong. Right, So I'm leading the SEC 0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:03.560 in rebounding as a freshman, I'm leading the rebound sophomore 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:05.879 and as a junior. So I don't think that I'm 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:09.960 doing anything wrong. And I get picked number five by 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:13.920 the sixers and broke, don't fix that's right, But I'm not. 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:18.719 Now I'm playing with real players, can't play at that weight. 0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.960 But don't know it. Just you know, I'm a rookie. Hey, 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:25.240 rookie th ain't playing a time. I'm playing some minutes, 0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:28.920 but then I'm not getting no quality minutes. And so Moses, 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:30.760 Me and Moses happened to live in the same building. 0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:33.360 Moses lived in the penhouse. I live on like the 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:36.279 sixth floor, if I remember correctly. And I said, Mo, 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:39.880 can I come see you tonight? And I said, he 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:44.080 said sure, And I called him dad even to the 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:48.160 day and one of the most bittersweet things people his 0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:49.960 family knew how closely were. I got to speak at 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:53.480 the du the eulogy at his funeral. I love that dude, 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:58.000 But so I go up. I said, big Mode, why 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.080 am I not getting to play old, young fella, you're 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:04.640 fat and you're lazy playing it simple. I'm like what 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.640 he says, you're fat and you're lazy. He said, Charles 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:10.080 can't play at three hundred pounds in the NBA, A 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:13.120 young fella, you're too fat and too lazy, can't work 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:18.799 hard at three hundred pounds. And I put downstairs and cried, 0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:22.319 not gonna lie. And but he said, he says, you 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:25.200 want to lose weight. I come meet you before practice, 0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:29.440 I meet you out to practice. I said please, And 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:31.719 this dude says, and he did it in a way. 0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:33.600 It's how smart he was. He did in a way. 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:37.719 He says, let's lose ten pounds together. Yeah, he said, 0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:40.120 let's lose ten pounds. He met me before practice, met 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:44.160 me after practice. I get to two ninety and I noticed, like, 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:46.120 even at ten pounds, I'm like, I can work a 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:49.279 little bit harder. He said, Okay, let's lose ten more. 0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:54.480 I'm like, okay, I get to too eighties. Now I'm 0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:59.520 actually getting to play. He says, let's lose ten more. 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:05.320 Now I'm at two seventy. Now I'm really getting to play. 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:08.160 It's not acause I can work. I mean, thirty pounds 0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:14.640 a lot. Get to two sixty. Now I'm starting. Now 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:17.000 I'm really can work. In my eyes out he says, 0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:20.399 I want to try something, I said. He says, let's 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:23.439 get to two fifty. I'm like, okay, shit working, I'm good. 0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:27.600 I get to two fifty. Now I'm really starting. Things 0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:29.920 are really starting to take off. I staidly got to 0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:34.120 two forty, but I said, I don't feel strong. He said, 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:37.600 two fifty is your weight. But he was so smart. 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.480 If you had told me to lose fifty pounds, I 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:42.640 was like, there's no fucking way I can lose fifty pounds. 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:46.400 There's no way. And I lost to fifty pounds and 0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.560 the rest is history. But for that guy taking me 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.359 under his wing, first of all, he was already one 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:54.719 of the best to ever do it. For him to 0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:59.000 take a little fat kid under his wing, it changed 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:02.600 my whole life. It changed my whole life. So that's why, 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:06.239 and that's why I called him Dad, and I just 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:10.160 was really crazy. I just saw him at the Hall 0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:14.480 of Fame Friday, and as I always did, I gave 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:16.640 him a hug and told him I loved him, and 0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:18.240 we hung out and had some fun at the Hall 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:22.280 of Fame that Sunday. Well, I had to fly to 0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:27.560 la the next day to shoot a Kirk commercial. I 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:32.640 land in LA. I got a hundred messages, Yo, man, 0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:34.840 you all right, you all right? I'm calling a check 0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:38.240 on you. I love you, and I'm scrolling like everybody's 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:41.720 checking on me. I'm like, what the fuck? And then 0:57:41.800 --> 0:57:45.840 finally says, man, call me. They had found him dead 0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:49.400 that that morning, because I'd been on a plane for 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:55.280 like five hours, and I was like, I was so upset. 0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:57.080 I just stayed in my room the whole day because 0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:59.200 I didn't want to be friending to anybody. We was 0:57:59.240 --> 0:58:01.120 shooting the commercial to the next day. I was like, 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:03.520 I stayed in my room. I called my close friends. 0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:05.240 I said, man, I'm so, this is such a fucked 0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:08.360 up situation. So apparently he had he had went home 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:11.760 to do his regular charity golf tournament and he didn't 0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:15.280 show up. And they found him in this hotel room. 0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:17.600 So I guess he died in his sleep. But man, 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:19.320 when I got when I was looking, when I got 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:21.240 that call, man, it was it was one of the 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:26.120 worst days of my life. But I thank him for 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:29.520 taking this little fat kid under his wing. Because man, 0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:31.800 you guys know y'all been around a long time. We 0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:36.080 see motherfuckers eat out the NBA. So man moses, he's 0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:40.280 the most important person you know. And Doc was great, great. 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:44.040 He taught me how to dress, he said, hey, because 0:58:44.120 --> 0:58:49.240 Doc was always immaculate to this. Yeah, he's like, Chuck, 0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:52.600 this is professional basketball. We don't dress. You got you 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:56.600 can't be wearing warm up suits everywhere you go. He says, 0:58:56.720 --> 0:59:01.120 we're professionals. And he taught me how to dress. He 0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:06.960 taught me how to save my money because he says, yo, man, 0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:09.080 how many cars you got? I said, I got like six. 0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:11.640 He says, how many can you drive? At the same time, 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:15.280 I'm like, what do you mean? He says, uh, why 0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:18.680 you have six cars? And I couldn't give him a 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.439 good answer. He said, Charles, everybody know who the fuck 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:23.960 you are. He said, you ain't got to He said, 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:26.320 you ain't got to impress these people. Everybody know you, 0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:29.480 Charles Barkley. He said, son, take those cars back. You 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:32.080 need one car. If you want to, that's fine, but 0:59:32.200 --> 0:59:34.840 the mother will take them back. He said, son, this 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:36.800 money gotta last you for the rest of your life. 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:40.080 He says, I know you think you're gonna play basketball 0:59:40.120 --> 0:59:42.720 a long time. He said, basketball is gonna be this 0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:49.200 shorter window of your life. He says, this money got 0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:53.280 to last you the rest of your life. And that 0:59:53.520 --> 0:59:55.800 was a great lesson. I tell these young guys, your 0:59:55.880 --> 1:00:01.120 man you don't need, but I met says all the time, 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:03.920 you don't need but one house and one car. If 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:07.400 you want to splurge and get two cars, that's fine, 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:10.080 but you don't need more than one house in one car. 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:13.360 This money, it's going to last you to the rest 1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:15.040 of your life. And you don't know how long you're 1:00:15.040 --> 1:00:19.280 gonna live. And like I said, TV saved me because 1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:25.280 I would have been broke, probably because you know, we 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:29.880 as black people, for some reason, we feel this need 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:33.880 to take care of everybody in our family. And Grant 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:37.479 Hill's mom, one of the greatest ladies I've ever met 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.400 in my life, gave me the best advice and I 1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:43.160 didn't never listened to it. We were at the ninety 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:47.320 six Olympics, actually here in Atlanta, and Grant had just signed. 1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:49.880 She's one of the greatest women. We just lost her. 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:53.080 She's one of the greatest women I've ever met. And 1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:57.360 she was telling me and her and Cavin and Grant 1:00:57.360 --> 1:01:00.680 were having dinner at the Olympics, and she says, yeah, 1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:03.000 me and Capin got to go back to work tomorrow. 1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:05.200 I said, wait a minute, Grant, just because I think 1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:07.360 Grant was the first person signed a hundred million dollar deal, 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:10.280 I said, grand you just signed for one hundred million dollars. 1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:13.520 Y'all gonna work, She says, chall sit your ass down. 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:17.760 She says, let me tell you this. Do not take 1:01:17.800 --> 1:01:21.360 care of your family and all your friends. Do not 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:23.880 do that. You're gonna end up broke. But you know, 1:01:24.000 --> 1:01:25.800 she said, it's worst. And she said it's going to 1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:29.920 ruin every relationship you've ever had. And I said, what 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:31.800 do you mean. She says, Number one, if you start 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:35.880 giving your family and friends money, they're never going to stop. Never. 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:39.160 But she said the worst thing. The first time you 1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:41.960 tell them no, they're gonna hate you. She says, if 1:01:41.960 --> 1:01:46.400 you've given them five million dollars the first time you 1:01:46.440 --> 1:01:49.720 tell them no, they hate your ass forever. She was 1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:51.760 one hundred percent correct, And I said, well, first of all, 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:55.360 it's too late. I'm taking care of everybody. And she says, 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:59.560 if you can share my vision with these young black 1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:02.920 kids going forward, tell them they don't have to take 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:05.440 care of their entire families and people in their neighborhood. 1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:08.120 That's no rital law. If you want to do something 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:12.720 nice for somebody in your family, that's you, but you 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:16.800 don't have no moral obligation to take care of them forever. 1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:19.720 And man, I tell all these young black kids, man, 1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:22.280 you don't have no moral Like if you want to 1:02:22.320 --> 1:02:24.280 do something nice for your mom and dad and whatever, 1:02:24.920 --> 1:02:27.480 or your brothers and sister, nothing wrong with that, But 1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:29.920 to have them on the payroll and all your friends 1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:33.400 on the payroll, that's crazy. There's a reason eighty percent 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:37.240 of professional athletes go broke. That's it. But for some 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:39.440 reason we feel just like, hey, I got to take 1:02:39.440 --> 1:02:43.600 care of everybody. No, you don't fuck that shit straight up. 1:02:44.320 --> 1:02:46.800 Jack and I always talk, going back to your two 1:02:47.120 --> 1:02:50.280 vets early on the importance of having veterans in the 1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:52.439 locker room. I think the NBA is so young now 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:56.200 that you can't play, there's no use And we speak 1:02:56.280 --> 1:02:58.400 to for every reason you just spoken what they did 1:02:58.400 --> 1:03:01.040 for you, the importance of vet's in the locker room. 1:03:01.040 --> 1:03:03.160 Even if they're not contributed on the court, they're contributing 1:03:03.200 --> 1:03:04.120 so much off the court. 1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:06.320 What are your thoughts on that? First of all, you 1:03:06.400 --> 1:03:10.160 are one hundred percent. I've said that for the last 1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:17.360 thirty years, every NBA team should have a Adonna's HASSLM 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:21.520 or somebody like that. And I'm even igo dollar and i' 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.480 me even fuck the basketball part. That's gonna take care 1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:29.120 of itself. Nice. These dudes don't know that. First of all, 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:31.280 we don't even know how to handle a checking account. 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:36.640 You know, we need like the thing we just talked about. Like, Yo, man, 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:39.320 why you got ten guys with you all the time 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:44.280 while you're taking care of Why are they always with us? Yo? Man, 1:03:45.800 --> 1:03:48.280 go buy some suits. I remember I tell you the 1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:51.840 story about doctor j Him and Maurice Cheeks and guys. 1:03:53.000 --> 1:03:55.960 And I'm a rookie. I'm still wearing warm ups everywhere 1:03:57.320 --> 1:04:00.160 they take me. Shot today? What you doing today? I'm 1:04:00.200 --> 1:04:03.040 like nothing. I get to hang out with y'all. They're like, 1:04:03.440 --> 1:04:06.760 we going shopping. They take me to board Store Boys 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:10.640 is a famous clothing store in Philly. Like they're like, 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:18.880 Chuck needs ten suits, ten sports coats and slacks. They 1:04:19.800 --> 1:04:21.520 fed me up and looking in the mirror and shit, 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:26.280 ma reicing. The guys are just sitting back there looking yeah, okay, 1:04:26.320 --> 1:04:30.360 that's nice. That's good. Bill comes. It's like thirty two 1:04:30.360 --> 1:04:34.479 thousand dollars. I guarantee you ain't nobody my mom, my dad, 1:04:34.560 --> 1:04:36.919 my grandmother, ain't nobody in my house ever made thirty 1:04:36.960 --> 1:04:41.200 two thousand dollars a year. Bill. It's thirty two thousand dollars. 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:45.160 They're like, pay the bill, young fellow. I call my agent. 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:48.040 I'm like, wow, I called my agent. Ia. Yo, man, 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:51.000 I need thirty two thousand dollars. They're like what I said. 1:04:51.600 --> 1:04:53.600 The best took me shopping. They told me I'm dressing 1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:56.000 like a college kid. So they made me buy like 1:04:56.080 --> 1:05:00.400 ten suits, ten sports coach jackets and slacks, and like, yeah, 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:04.720 that's the right thing. But stuff like that. They're like, 1:05:04.920 --> 1:05:07.200 you know, and at that time, we were flying commercials, 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:10.720 so we're in the airport. But Doc and all those guys, 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:16.120 they're always immaculate, but you are one hundred percent. And 1:05:16.320 --> 1:05:18.160 you know now they're getting to change the rule back. 1:05:18.240 --> 1:05:20.560 We're going back to the drafting high school players. A 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:22.720 high school player don't know what the hell he's doing, right, 1:05:23.120 --> 1:05:25.919 you know, they like they don't know how to eat. 1:05:26.760 --> 1:05:29.440 Like now, the ship was funny in the day. It 1:05:29.480 --> 1:05:32.680 was funny when I said on camera those two fish 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:36.160 flays and large fry and die Coka probably shouldn't have 1:05:36.160 --> 1:05:40.880 been eating that shit. Probably should not have been eating it. Like, yo, man, 1:05:41.200 --> 1:05:44.400 go get a healthy meal, I would tell a young guy. Now, 1:05:44.440 --> 1:05:46.120 I know you can get the two fish relays in 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:49.160 a large fried at twenty one, well, eighteen nineteen. That 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:52.400 shit ain't gonna have no effect upon you. But you 1:05:52.480 --> 1:05:56.760 need to learn good habits and shared it with your 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:59.480 kids because you know, like I said, you don't hey, 1:05:59.480 --> 1:06:01.840 you can share Like obviously I talked about earlier one 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.600 of the you know, obesity, diabetes, those are big problems 1:06:04.640 --> 1:06:06.880 in the black community because we don't know how to eat. 1:06:07.600 --> 1:06:11.280 When you get in our position, like, yo, man, teach 1:06:11.280 --> 1:06:15.760 you how to eat. That's like I teach all my 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:17.520 friends about credit cards. 1:06:18.680 --> 1:06:21.640 I remember in college shout out capital one. 1:06:21.600 --> 1:06:26.800 Yeah, not yeah, shot a Capital one. But like you know, 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:29.640 in college, they send you MasterCard and Visa Discovery cards. 1:06:29.680 --> 1:06:32.840 Yeah yeah. And I remember me and all my teammates 1:06:33.200 --> 1:06:36.520 we go shopping like every weekend, and we'd be like 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:39.560 high five to each other, like, man, we're getting over 1:06:39.560 --> 1:06:43.160 on these white folks. Ship. We like, we buying ship. 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:45.439 And then we were like, hey, man, were really getting 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:47.240 over on these white folks. They send us credit cards 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:50.880 blah blah blah, and then we pay the minimum. We 1:06:51.000 --> 1:06:55.000 go shopping every weekend, and then when I get to 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:59.080 the NBA, my agent says, you got bills. We need 1:06:59.080 --> 1:07:00.440 to take care of it. See, I got some buildings, 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:03.480 he says, like, he say, man, what all these bills 1:07:03.560 --> 1:07:05.520 you got? I said, man, we were getting over on 1:07:05.560 --> 1:07:07.320 tho his wife fulks, we were buying all this shit. 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:10.120 He says, are you serious right now? I said, what 1:07:10.160 --> 1:07:12.720 do you mean him? I said? He says, so, y'all 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:16.400 been buying all this shit, paying the minimum and keep 1:07:16.440 --> 1:07:19.880 buying shit. He said, son, you know how credit cards work. 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:22.360 I says, yeah, you get them and you buy shit. 1:07:23.320 --> 1:07:27.560 He like, son, you're only paying the interest. And he says, 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:30.160 you see this thing you bought for two thousand dollars. 1:07:31.280 --> 1:07:33.720 At the rate you're going, you're gonna be paying like 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:36.960 twenty two thousand dollars for it by the time you're done. 1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:40.440 And I remember, I said what he says. Yeah, this 1:07:40.480 --> 1:07:43.360 is how they get poor people. They get They give 1:07:43.400 --> 1:07:46.280 you a credit card, you pay the minimum, and you 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:49.120 don't ever ever end up paying it off. But by 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:52.040 the time you pay it off, you paid like three 1:07:52.120 --> 1:07:55.000 times what it originally costs. And I called, I said, 1:07:55.080 --> 1:07:57.000 you need to go meet with all my college teammates. Said, man, 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:58.720 we've been doing this shit the whole three years I've 1:07:58.760 --> 1:08:02.040 been in college and stuff like that. A VET like, 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:05.919 you know, man, don't be you don't even know that. 1:08:06.400 --> 1:08:09.840 And you can teach that to your family. So that's 1:08:09.840 --> 1:08:13.120 to go back to your point. Like every NBA team 1:08:13.320 --> 1:08:16.799 your pay a veteran like, hey, all our conversations are private, 1:08:17.880 --> 1:08:22.080 but I'm gonna teach you about life. Yeah, And the 1:08:22.160 --> 1:08:26.320 thing is just like yo, man, I know the game 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:29.960 ain't to seven o'clock. I know you can stay out 1:08:30.160 --> 1:08:32.559 the three four in the morning, sleep all day, but 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:34.840 they sleep ain't the same as a good night's sleep. 1:08:35.479 --> 1:08:38.280 Ship like that that a VET will tell you like 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:40.599 like doctor, they tell me sometimes, hey, man, we got 1:08:40.600 --> 1:08:44.000 a big game, go to bed. I'm like, what, Hey, 1:08:44.360 --> 1:08:47.800 they sleep ain't the same as nice sleep, Like BET's 1:08:47.800 --> 1:08:51.240 tell you shit like that. So, man, I'm one hundred 1:08:51.520 --> 1:08:57.360 percent with you. Every team should have like a veteran liaison, like, hey, 1:08:57.720 --> 1:09:00.679 you can ask me anything. I'm not don't go rap 1:09:00.760 --> 1:09:04.280 to the team. I'm not a gonna rap, but you're 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:06.960 gonna have to listen to me. I think stuff like 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:07.719 that would be huge. 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:10.920 Absolutely, it will be because not only just teaching them 1:09:10.920 --> 1:09:14.920 about life, but I had guys like Steve Smith Kevin 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:18.360 Willis to teach me how to be a professional, especially 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:20.200 as a young kid I'm coming into I know it's a game, 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:21.599 but no, you you used the job. 1:09:21.640 --> 1:09:22.920 Now you got to be a professional. 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:26.240 So all that stuff helped me be be a better professional. 1:09:26.280 --> 1:09:31.799 So that definitely matters. Yeah, you and the two guys 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:34.920 you mentioned, two of the best guys I've ever been around. Yeah, 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:37.240 two of the best guys I've ever been around. 1:09:46.280 --> 1:09:48.439 We recently had Magic on our show talking about the 1:09:48.479 --> 1:09:52.639 Dream Team and it was some crazy stories. Yeah, everybody 1:09:52.680 --> 1:09:55.240 got their own story. Well went on, what's your take 1:09:55.320 --> 1:09:57.200 on the on the Dream Team. 1:09:57.400 --> 1:10:02.280 It was crazy. It was incredible because it's like, you 1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:04.879 know how like first of all, we all got tremendous egos. 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:07.400 To be great, you got to have an ego and 1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:11.960 with the perfect storm. So Magic was pissed because Scotty 1:10:11.960 --> 1:10:15.240 had just locked him up in the finals, so he 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:24.400 wanted revenge. Michael Clyde Drexler kept insinuating that he was 1:10:24.479 --> 1:10:27.320 mad at he thought I'm just as good as Michael Gordon, 1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:33.639 and Michael's like it was ballistic. So you got those 1:10:33.680 --> 1:10:38.000 two matchups. You got me and Karl Malone, who were 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:40.360 the two best power for us in the world, and 1:10:40.400 --> 1:10:45.800 we're like, motherfucker, we're the best two, but I'm the one. 1:10:46.040 --> 1:10:48.639 Then you got Patrick and David trying to prove who's 1:10:48.640 --> 1:10:53.639 the best set in the world, and it was like 1:10:54.000 --> 1:10:57.160 we are, like no, I want you to know. Everybody 1:10:57.240 --> 1:11:00.360 was just like going at it like that, and it 1:11:00.479 --> 1:11:04.320 was so intense and it was so much fun because 1:11:04.320 --> 1:11:07.960 we had respect, like one of my best friends, but 1:11:08.080 --> 1:11:10.400 like I want that motherfucker. No, I'm the best motherfucking 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:13.960 power for it in the world. Yeah, and I get 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:16.799 a chance to prove it. You don't have John Stockton 1:11:17.360 --> 1:11:19.400 and those guys and I don't have much like, yeah, 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:22.479 we get to prove it every day, so you had 1:11:22.520 --> 1:11:25.960 that backdrop, so every day was like a game seven. 1:11:26.680 --> 1:11:32.000 I mean, it was so intense, but we still we're 1:11:32.080 --> 1:11:35.440 main friends after it was over. But man, our egos 1:11:35.520 --> 1:11:39.280 like like it was so it was so much fun. 1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:42.120 But it was in the practices I never I've never 1:11:42.160 --> 1:11:45.160 been in my entire basketball life. I've never been. I 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:49.200 think it's intense as those practices because everybody wanted to 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:52.479 everybody has something to prove. But it was so much 1:11:52.520 --> 1:11:54.160 fun though. Man, it was awesome. 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:56.559 Was it the passing of the torch where it's kind 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:59.320 of MJ's was kind of coming on his arm and 1:11:59.360 --> 1:12:01.519 he was there. He was already there, but he was 1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:05.320 already That's kind of the passing of the torch his NBA. 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:10.799 It was his NBA. Uh you know, he was already 1:12:10.920 --> 1:12:15.160 the man. But what that did was it took us 1:12:15.200 --> 1:12:20.400 worldwide and David Stern, who's a genius, you know, everybody 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:25.679 like that made the NBA a real international game. Because 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:29.160 when you talk to guys like Dirt Navsky, Steve Nash, 1:12:29.280 --> 1:12:32.840 Dad Less Shrimp, great players, they're like, that's our first 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:37.719 Tony Parker, He's like, that's the first time I really 1:12:37.920 --> 1:12:41.439 knew about NBA basketball, because you know, at that time, 1:12:41.560 --> 1:12:44.000 like you know, I'm so old. People didn't even understand. 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:47.479 People think basketball always been on television. There used to 1:12:47.479 --> 1:12:51.479 be one game a week on NBC. There was no ESPN, 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:56.680 there was no T n T. So most people in 1:12:56.720 --> 1:13:00.639 our my generation, they don't, they don't. They couldn't get 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:04.240 games overseas and things like that. All those guys, when 1:13:04.280 --> 1:13:06.240 you talk to them, it's like the NBA. That was 1:13:06.280 --> 1:13:12.000 my first recollection of NBA basketball was the Dream Team 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:15.639 and so but it was so crazy, man. I'll give 1:13:15.640 --> 1:13:18.960 you an example. So in our hotel, you couldn't get 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:21.679 in unless you were on the Dream Team or NBA 1:13:22.000 --> 1:13:27.000 or part of the Olympic thing. So from here to 1:13:27.160 --> 1:13:32.479 that wall was the bus. That was three to five 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:36.679 thousand people standing up every day just to watch us 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:39.400 get on the bus, screaming. 1:13:38.920 --> 1:13:40.519 A whole Barcelona. Was that Barcelona? 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:43.880 Barcelona? Yeah, I mean like they could only see us 1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:47.439 like twenty feet to walk to the bus. It was 1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:49.759 like three to five thousand people out there every single 1:13:49.840 --> 1:13:56.080 day along the highway because we had this is how 1:13:56.120 --> 1:13:59.360 crazy on the side of the bus. We had a 1:13:59.439 --> 1:14:02.360 cop them on front and a guy with a machine 1:14:02.360 --> 1:14:05.679 gun on each side of the bus. We had three 1:14:05.720 --> 1:14:09.080 police cars in front, three police cars at the back, 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:12.719 and a helicopter of us the whole time, so people 1:14:12.800 --> 1:14:18.680 knew we were coming along the highway. There must have 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:23.519 been thousands of people just studying on the side of 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:27.559 the highway, just holding up signs. It was the craziest thing. 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:31.640 Like we're driving there's people on the highway holding up 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:37.120 Magic birds Jordan signs. I mean, it was. It was surreal. 1:14:38.040 --> 1:14:40.080 I mean it was like and we were kind of 1:14:40.080 --> 1:14:42.679 in shock, to be honest with you, because we didn't 1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:47.400 know how big it was going to be. I mean, 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:51.200 we knew it was going to be something, but to 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:54.880 see it live, like, you know, man, there's three thousand 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:57.240 people standing us side the hotel just to get a 1:14:57.280 --> 1:15:00.759 glimpse of us. I mean, obviously Magic buried and Michael 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:03.679 with the three guys, but like we were in they flow. 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:06.080 If I'm not mistaken, you let that team is scoring though, 1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:06.439 didn't you. 1:15:06.960 --> 1:15:09.080 I let it in scoring? Yeah, and rebounding. It was 1:15:09.120 --> 1:15:14.360 easy though. Yeah, it was easy though. Basketball. Man, Basketball 1:15:14.439 --> 1:15:16.840 was so easy to me. I got the best compliment 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:21.000 ever from Chuck Daily. He pulled me aside one day. 1:15:21.200 --> 1:15:25.080 He says, you're the second best basketball player in the world. 1:15:25.840 --> 1:15:28.280 I said, who bet me? And I started laughing. We 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:31.599 both started laughing because obviously Michael watch it. He says, 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:35.720 I can get an appreciation watching you play every day. 1:15:36.160 --> 1:15:38.000 I said, Coach, let me just tell you this. I said, 1:15:38.040 --> 1:15:40.759 I'm a really good player. I can get you thirty 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:44.280 I can get your twenty rebounds. I said. It's hard 1:15:44.280 --> 1:15:47.840 to do it when the whole defense is stocked against you. 1:15:47.880 --> 1:15:50.160 When you're playing in an NBA game, I said, when 1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:52.879 I'm playing with these dudes, easy, this shit is easy. 1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:56.080 I said. I can score anytime I want to. I 1:15:56.080 --> 1:15:58.880 can get a rebound anytime I want to, I says I. 1:15:59.320 --> 1:16:02.479 I says, just like when I got traded to Phoenix, 1:16:03.000 --> 1:16:07.080 when I got MVP, I said, man, I've been a 1:16:07.120 --> 1:16:09.760 great player. I just got help now, I said, I 1:16:09.800 --> 1:16:12.880 got Dan Marlon Kevin Johnson. I said, but I was 1:16:12.880 --> 1:16:15.760 a much better player in Philly. I just didn't have 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:19.599 no help. I said. But my first year in Phoenix, 1:16:19.720 --> 1:16:22.759 I said, wait, y'all giving me Dan Marley and Kevin 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:26.760 Johnson and said to Balas, Oh, yeah, we're good. I 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:30.160 mean we're good and so but so it was it 1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:33.280 was if you're a great player, the game is easier 1:16:33.320 --> 1:16:36.799 with the better players. You play with round mound, the rebound, 1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:42.280 the nickname. So if you go back and look at 1:16:42.280 --> 1:16:46.080 my history. So we were trying to drum up support 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:51.000 at Auburn because you know we're a football school. So 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:53.360 they came to me and says, hey, do you mind 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:55.160 because they were going to do a story on me 1:16:55.280 --> 1:17:00.000 for Sports Illustrated. And I said, whatever, y'all do whatever, 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:02.360 help the program because I need some help. I need 1:17:02.400 --> 1:17:06.200 some We ain't no good, I need some help. And 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:14.040 they made a list of like criscal kid, the wide 1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:15.280 load from Leads, risc. 1:17:15.320 --> 1:17:17.679 Kid while he was the ball headed out, Cristal gross 1:17:17.720 --> 1:17:22.000 criscal the cooking oil cooking what it had. 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:24.439 To do with no, just just just like something to 1:17:24.479 --> 1:17:30.200 do with food. See you don't know the thing about 1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:38.759 that big assa criscal kid, Cristal Why load from leads, 1:17:39.880 --> 1:17:50.720 wide load from leads, bread truck, the good time blimp uh, 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:53.760 the round amount of rebound. So they had they had 1:17:53.840 --> 1:17:56.120 the bread truck. Now all that money you're getting the 1:17:56.200 --> 1:18:00.360 bread So they had a list because I actually I 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:03.000 remember doing something on camera one time. There was about 1:18:03.200 --> 1:18:06.479 ten of them total of nicknames they have for me, 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:11.080 and I think, uh, bread Truck. I was bread Truck 1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:14.240 for a minute and then but I think by the 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:19.080 end of my sophomore year, I was leading the league 1:18:19.080 --> 1:18:21.040 in rebound again. I think that's when it switched to 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:24.240 round mound and rebound. Yeah, but man, it was like 1:18:24.479 --> 1:18:28.240 they were doing anything to drum up support. Yeah that 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:31.919 was good. Yeah, that was stuck with you though, Yeah, stuck. 1:18:31.720 --> 1:18:35.960 With Obviously you spoke to being going to Phoenix. You 1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:40.280 traded the Phoenix after the Olympics. What was that first experience? Like, 1:18:40.320 --> 1:18:41.680 I mean, I tell people I got a chance to 1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:44.839 play for one year, but I loved Phoenix Scottsdale area. 1:18:45.240 --> 1:18:46.920 What was obviously the team was great, But what was 1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:49.160 that experience for you for the first time being out 1:18:49.200 --> 1:18:51.200 of Philly as far as professional ghost. 1:18:52.080 --> 1:18:56.840 It was great for the fact, you know, when we 1:18:56.880 --> 1:18:59.120 play an NBA game, you just go to the city 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:01.640 sometimes you know that like twelve hours right, yeah, right 1:19:01.680 --> 1:19:05.000 about it. So I never really spend any quality of 1:19:05.040 --> 1:19:07.320 time in Phoenix. You fly in, you play, you might 1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:09.920 get to there the day before and you know you 1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:13.160 got stuff to do. You play, then you leave, or 1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:15.800 you flying after lady. After game in the city, you play, 1:19:16.040 --> 1:19:20.280 sleep all day, played, and go. When I got traded them, 1:19:20.280 --> 1:19:24.599 I'm like, yeah, man, it's December and we're walking around 1:19:24.600 --> 1:19:27.840 in shorts. I'm like, damn, we don't have to be 1:19:27.880 --> 1:19:30.519 cold all the time. Philly is cold and shit too. 1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:33.200 Once you get cold in Philly, it's cold whole year. 1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:37.040 You're like, nah, let's don't do shit. It's cold outside, right. 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:40.559 I'm like, Phoenix, Hey man, it's nice, let's go play golf. 1:19:40.640 --> 1:19:44.320 It's December to fifteenth, it's seventy degrees. Let's do this. 1:19:44.880 --> 1:19:49.280 And we got the best record in the NBA, and 1:19:50.240 --> 1:19:53.800 we had a couple of pivotal moments. We get off 1:19:53.800 --> 1:19:58.400 to a slow start. The Bulls we picked to go. 1:19:58.880 --> 1:20:02.880 So I tell these guys, I with the owner the team. 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:05.840 I says, Okay, this is the deal. We're going to 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:10.120 the finals. I said, I think I'm the best basketball 1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:15.800 player in the world. We're going to the finals season. Yes, 1:20:16.360 --> 1:20:18.919 we're gonna play the Bulls for the championship. And I says, 1:20:19.280 --> 1:20:21.080 I think I'm the best player in the world. Michael 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:25.280 just got more help. And this is the deal. I 1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:30.000 don't need no bullshit. We're going to the finals. Nobody, 1:20:30.000 --> 1:20:34.559 We're gonna get there. So we get off to a 1:20:34.680 --> 1:20:38.840 pretty good start, and I know Michael, they're hyping the 1:20:38.880 --> 1:20:42.760 game up. Best team in the East, best team in 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:47.720 the West. They come in and I know Michael, well, 1:20:48.120 --> 1:20:53.280 they stump us. I go ballistic. I said, hey, man, 1:20:53.600 --> 1:20:59.360 I fucking told y'all what we're gonna do. That motherfucker 1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:03.360 came here. He sent me a message, and we didn't 1:21:03.360 --> 1:21:07.519 meet the challenge. I said, we ain't working for the 1:21:07.640 --> 1:21:10.160 job we got. We're working for the job we're gonna have. 1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:13.840 We gonna have to get better and quit fucking around. 1:21:14.080 --> 1:21:17.680 I said, we're not on their level right now. And 1:21:17.720 --> 1:21:21.960 that was the first turning point in our season. And 1:21:22.040 --> 1:21:23.880 we went on a long winning streak and we got 1:21:23.880 --> 1:21:28.240 it together and we finished with the best record in 1:21:28.280 --> 1:21:34.200 the NBA first round of the playoffs. Kevin gets hurt. 1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:41.160 No number one seed has ever lost. We're gonna be 1:21:41.200 --> 1:21:47.760 the first. We played the Lakers. Kevin is hurt. We 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:52.080 lose the first two games at home this best of five. 1:21:55.040 --> 1:22:00.479 After the game, we devastated. I'm like, but right now, 1:22:00.520 --> 1:22:05.600 I gotta figure something out. Our coach, Paul Westfall just 1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:09.439 passed away. Rest in peace. I'm thinking. I'm sitting in 1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:11.280 my locker. I'm like, what the hell am I gonna do? 1:22:11.640 --> 1:22:14.160 I gotta get this team ready. We're going to LA tomorrow. 1:22:15.200 --> 1:22:20.000 I'm thinking, like, what I'm gonna do? The motherfucker rest 1:22:20.040 --> 1:22:24.680 toward me, Like twenty of them says, did you hear 1:22:24.720 --> 1:22:28.280 what your coach said? I said, no, I didn't. I 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:34.280 was It's just like your coach said, guys, not gonna 1:22:34.320 --> 1:22:38.519 say much tonight. They kicked our ass twice. It's what's 1:22:38.520 --> 1:22:40.760 gonna happen. We're gonna go to l A win in 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:44.040 game three, We're gonna go game go to LA. We're 1:22:44.040 --> 1:22:47.080 gonna stay down and win Game four. They gonna come 1:22:47.120 --> 1:22:49.200 back here. We're gonna kick their ass in game five, 1:22:49.400 --> 1:22:50.800 and we're gonna say what the hell of a series 1:22:50.800 --> 1:22:57.800 it was? And I says, oh, well, coach is right, 1:22:58.080 --> 1:23:02.040 let's go. I say, hey, I coach said it, And 1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:05.439 I got to tell you something. I don't know what 1:23:05.520 --> 1:23:09.840 coach was doing, but it changed. The light came on 1:23:09.960 --> 1:23:13.120 in the locker room and I didn't even have to 1:23:13.120 --> 1:23:15.519 ask no question about us choking the first two games. 1:23:15.560 --> 1:23:17.360 In the five game, he said, you guys getting got 1:23:17.400 --> 1:23:19.040 like you guys gonna be the first number one seed 1:23:19.080 --> 1:23:23.200 to ever lose to the eight seed. And man, we 1:23:23.280 --> 1:23:26.759 went to La for game three. Them motherfuckers had Randon Newman. 1:23:27.040 --> 1:23:34.080 We love La, the crowd going crazy. We played great. 1:23:34.560 --> 1:23:39.040 We actually beat them in game four. Bad come on 1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:42.880 for game five. It's a dog fight and James Worthy 1:23:42.960 --> 1:23:45.320 comes up to me after the game. He says, now, 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:48.479 you better go win this thing. He said, young, He says, 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:53.439 y'all showed me some go win this thing. The next 1:23:53.520 --> 1:23:59.799 round we play San Antonio. We beat them in six. 1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:05.679 I think that's when I hit the shot that closed 1:24:05.720 --> 1:24:11.040 down the arena, that dumpy ass arena y'all had down there. Yeah, 1:24:11.200 --> 1:24:13.880 no hemisphair Fair. Yeah. That was the last game I 1:24:13.880 --> 1:24:15.880 ever played there. And that really was the one because 1:24:15.880 --> 1:24:17.600 he knocked you down on that three. Yeah, that was 1:24:17.640 --> 1:24:21.240 the one. Yeah. And then we played Seattle. Probably the 1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:24.040 best seven games, cheers I've ever been in, the best 1:24:24.080 --> 1:24:27.320 game I ever played in my life, Game seven when 1:24:27.360 --> 1:24:29.160 I had forty four and twenty four, best game I've 1:24:29.160 --> 1:24:33.360 ever played in my life. I remember this. It was 1:24:33.400 --> 1:24:36.080 a great series. We win one and two, they win 1:24:36.200 --> 1:24:40.120 three and four, We win five, they win six. And 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:44.479 I pulled Frank Johnson aside. He was like my vet 1:24:44.840 --> 1:24:47.840 to talk to the young guys. I said, hey, man, 1:24:48.000 --> 1:24:50.439 because everybody's quiet on the plane. That's long ass flight 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:53.080 from Seattle, I says, Frank, get back here. I need 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:54.360 to talk to you. I said, what I got to do. 1:24:54.400 --> 1:24:57.639 Everybody's down, everybody's nervous. Everybody's nervous a game self, not scared, 1:24:57.720 --> 1:25:00.519 just nervous as hyper. It's a long forty ours for 1:25:00.560 --> 1:25:04.479 those Game sevens. Getting ready. And I said, Frank, I 1:25:04.479 --> 1:25:06.920 got to get this team. I'm mostly ready for Game seven. 1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:10.200 What do I need to do? He says, oh, I 1:25:10.200 --> 1:25:12.920 ain't worried. We got Game seven. I said, what do 1:25:12.960 --> 1:25:15.240 you mean? He says, let me ask you a question. 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:19.439 You have been to the finals. I said nope. He says, 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:23.000 I got the best fucking basketball player in the world 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:28.280 on my team, and we we're gonna, we're gonna. You 1:25:28.280 --> 1:25:32.679 ain't gonna let us lose Game seven. And I says, 1:25:32.880 --> 1:25:36.000 what he says, Charles, you told me you were the 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:39.200 best basketball player in the world. You got one game 1:25:39.280 --> 1:25:40.920 to get to the finals. You ain't never been to 1:25:40.960 --> 1:25:44.479 the finals. He says, you better not let us fucking lose. 1:25:46.000 --> 1:25:50.960 I said, we're good, and I said before game seven, 1:25:51.040 --> 1:25:55.120 I said, boys, were going to the finals. Get on, 1:25:56.240 --> 1:26:00.439 let's go, get on my back. We're going. And I 1:26:00.520 --> 1:26:02.000 end up playing the best game. 1:26:02.160 --> 1:26:07.280 I said forty four and and I did. 1:26:07.400 --> 1:26:09.280 I said, were going to the finals. Y'all get on 1:26:09.320 --> 1:26:15.439 my fucking back, We're going, and we get to the finals. 1:26:15.479 --> 1:26:21.599 So game one, that's probably the most disappointed I've been 1:26:21.680 --> 1:26:26.439 in myself as a player. So we play in the 1:26:26.479 --> 1:26:32.000 Bulls Game one, and you guys both been in the finals. 1:26:32.040 --> 1:26:35.519 It's different than the regular season, different the playoffs. Ry 1:26:35.560 --> 1:26:40.200 motherfuckering the world is there. It's a bill. So we 1:26:40.320 --> 1:26:43.680 come out for game one, and my team is the 1:26:43.720 --> 1:26:48.760 way I normally did it was. I normally tried to 1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:52.639 get everybody involved in game one to get at home. 1:26:53.360 --> 1:26:56.280 I'm more aggressive on the road, because you know that's 1:26:56.280 --> 1:26:59.280 what stars do. They're more aggressive on the road. So 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:01.160 game one, I was like, I need to get these 1:27:01.200 --> 1:27:04.800 guys started so they can get their confidence. Everybody's a 1:27:04.800 --> 1:27:07.519 little nervous. I'm not nervous, but these other guys never 1:27:07.560 --> 1:27:11.280 been in high pressure situation like that. So Game one, 1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:15.719 I was like, I was a little passive. They beat us. 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:21.599 Game two, I said, fuck this shit, I'm going for it. 1:27:22.320 --> 1:27:29.240 And I said, I'm a whatever it takes, and I 1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:33.160 come out I'm fucking so aggressive. But Michael, no, I'm 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:35.760 fucking aggressive. He's like, I can see he's talking to 1:27:35.920 --> 1:27:39.280 Horace and Scotty. He's like, y'all got slow that motherfucker down. 1:27:40.000 --> 1:27:43.280 Because Horrace, to me, was one of the more underrated players. 1:27:43.640 --> 1:27:45.799 Him and Scotty Man. When they doubled me, I couldn't 1:27:45.800 --> 1:27:49.280 see shit. They were so long and athletic. I couldn't 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:52.639 see shit. But I still I finished with like forty eight, 1:27:53.000 --> 1:27:55.760 forty nine somewhere in there, twenty six something like that. 1:27:56.880 --> 1:28:00.840 But Michael fucking had like fifty five. Motherfucker would not 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:05.120 let me win that game. And I remember, yeah, I 1:28:05.160 --> 1:28:08.760 remember going home. When I got home, my daughter was 1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:11.800 upset and I said, I told her. I had told 1:28:11.840 --> 1:28:14.840 her before. I said, ain't nobody in the world better 1:28:14.880 --> 1:28:16.920 at basketball than your dad, and we're gonna win this 1:28:17.040 --> 1:28:20.920 fucking series. When I got home, she was crying and 1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:23.439 I was like, she's dad. I thought you told me 1:28:23.479 --> 1:28:27.960 y'all were gonna win, I said, I said, Christianna, I 1:28:28.000 --> 1:28:32.240 ain't never said this before. I think there's somebody better 1:28:32.280 --> 1:28:38.200 at basketball than me, you know, because you know it's 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:43.200 Michael and Larry and Magic. I says, I loved it. 1:28:43.280 --> 1:28:45.479 Those guys are all great. But I says they're great 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:50.360 because he has Kareem, he has James Worthy, Michael got 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:53.719 Horrors and Scottie and Bird got Michael in Paris. I says, 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:57.439 I know, I'm just as good as those motherfuckers, but 1:28:58.640 --> 1:29:01.719 they just had more help. But I said, but going 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:04.640 back to the forty twenty game, twenty four game, I 1:29:04.680 --> 1:29:09.000 was like, I can wield my team to win. But Michael, 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:12.600 when I that night, when I was like, this motherfucker 1:29:12.680 --> 1:29:16.040 ain't gonna let me win this thing. Cause like I said, 1:29:17.200 --> 1:29:19.160 like I said, I had my forty something and he 1:29:19.200 --> 1:29:22.720 had fucking fifty times. So then so I said, hey, 1:29:23.400 --> 1:29:25.320 you know your dad, he ain't never gonna quit a 1:29:25.400 --> 1:29:29.240 give up. We're gonna be all right, right. So we 1:29:29.320 --> 1:29:33.519 go to Chicago and that's a triple overtime game. We win, 1:29:36.600 --> 1:29:39.360 and I'm like, Okay, I might can do this thing. 1:29:39.920 --> 1:29:47.320 The next game, this motherfucker goes okay, so this uh no. 1:29:47.560 --> 1:29:51.360 So the next game, I think he had another fifty five. 1:29:51.439 --> 1:29:54.280 He was gonna end this shit. He was gonna end 1:29:54.280 --> 1:29:57.479 this shit, and they beat us. It was a hell 1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:04.559 of a game. Then before it came five, like, guys, 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:11.080 we're gonna be all right, So before the all day long, 1:30:12.240 --> 1:30:14.000 you know, you don't do ship. You can't go out 1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:14.880 becally on the road. 1:30:15.000 --> 1:30:16.639 Is there back and forth between you and the MJ 1:30:16.800 --> 1:30:17.320 off the court? 1:30:17.360 --> 1:30:25.360 At this time we put our friendship. So then all 1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:31.960 day on TV, these motherfuckers on TV boarding up the 1:30:32.000 --> 1:30:37.160 city telling people to calm down. They win the championship, 1:30:37.160 --> 1:30:41.479 a night championship, no fires, yo. 1:30:41.600 --> 1:30:41.800 Man. 1:30:43.240 --> 1:30:47.120 By the time we got to the gym, I say, hey, man, 1:30:48.760 --> 1:30:54.040 ain't no fucking way were losing this bitch tonight because 1:30:54.080 --> 1:30:56.720 you know I'm sitting there steaming the whole day. Every 1:30:56.760 --> 1:30:58.960 time you try to get away from that ship. Hey, 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:03.960 we're boarding up to see uh this weekend the championship 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:06.720 route is gonna be here, but y'all please. 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:09.519 Behave That's when it was two three two, right, there 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:10.439 was it three in Chicago? 1:31:11.280 --> 1:31:14.920 Yeah, the game five was in Chicago, And by the 1:31:14.960 --> 1:31:17.639 time we got to the game, I said, hey, hey, coach, 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:22.920 let me speak all that. Don't played these motherfuckers five times? 1:31:23.760 --> 1:31:26.160 Ain't no exces and oe right now? I said, God, 1:31:26.280 --> 1:31:29.200 we cannot fucking lose this game. That ship they were 1:31:29.240 --> 1:31:31.920 doing on TV today was so fucking disrespectful and pissed 1:31:32.000 --> 1:31:35.799 us off. And we won that game, and then uh, 1:31:36.360 --> 1:31:38.920 obviously we lost it back at home in game six 1:31:39.320 --> 1:31:42.519 on a three pointer. But man, when I got to 1:31:42.640 --> 1:31:45.320 game five, I was like, ain't no fucking way were losing, guys, 1:31:46.040 --> 1:31:49.479 because we sit there and watch that thing and talking 1:31:49.520 --> 1:31:53.479 about they were boarding up the city, talking about act 1:31:53.520 --> 1:31:55.759 like y'all got some common sense and don't be going 1:31:55.800 --> 1:31:58.080 crazy burning up cars and shit like y'all did the 1:31:58.160 --> 1:32:02.040 last time they won the championship. So I was but man, 1:32:02.360 --> 1:32:03.680 stuff like that. I missed that. 1:32:07.439 --> 1:32:10.360 MVP that season but lost in the finals. We recently 1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:14.000 talked to Magic about, you know, his back and forth 1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:17.840 with Isaiah and Isaiah and MJ's beef. 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:19.240 Or whatever that may be. 1:32:20.560 --> 1:32:23.840 You and MJ were really close, yes, and haven't spoke 1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:26.960 in some time. Is there is there light at the 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:28.320 end of the tunne with that? Do you feel like 1:32:28.320 --> 1:32:33.920 you guys can mind that. 1:32:31.479 --> 1:32:35.120 That would be on his end. Matt. He was my 1:32:35.160 --> 1:32:37.720 best friend at the time, and I love the guy 1:32:37.760 --> 1:32:41.000 and I missed the guy, but you know, I got 1:32:41.160 --> 1:32:44.680 to do my job. What I said was, I said, 1:32:46.120 --> 1:32:48.160 first of all, I don't think it's fair for me 1:32:48.280 --> 1:32:53.920 to critique other gms and coaches and have a double time. 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:56.280 That goes back to the Skip Bayless thing, like you 1:32:56.280 --> 1:32:58.240 can tell the guys he like and guys he just like. 1:32:58.439 --> 1:33:01.880 I think I'm fair to everybody. What I said about Michael, 1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:04.120 I said, I don't know if he's ever going to 1:33:04.160 --> 1:33:07.200 be successful because of the people around him. I think 1:33:07.240 --> 1:33:11.840 he hires too many of his friends. And because your 1:33:11.840 --> 1:33:14.679 friends don't ever tell you no. The hardest thing about 1:33:14.720 --> 1:33:19.439 being famous is because you're paying all the bills, they're 1:33:19.479 --> 1:33:21.479 on your private jet. They're not gonna tell you when 1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:24.599 you're doing something wrong. And I said that I didn't 1:33:24.960 --> 1:33:27.679 because he was struggling as a general manager, a running 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:29.720 the team. And I said, I don't know if he's 1:33:29.720 --> 1:33:32.680 ever going to be successful because the people around him 1:33:32.680 --> 1:33:34.360 are never going to tell him no, and like, yeah, 1:33:34.360 --> 1:33:36.840 don't draft that dude, we need to trade that dude. 1:33:36.840 --> 1:33:41.920 Blah blah blah, and he went ballistic and he called 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:47.440 me and that's the last thing I heard was motherfucker, 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:49.679 fuck you. You're supposed to be my boy and blah blah, 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:51.400 And I said, man, man, I got to do my job. 1:33:52.120 --> 1:33:53.800 And we haven't spoken since that night, and that was 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:55.080 probably close to ten years ago. 1:33:56.080 --> 1:33:57.920 But I kind of agree with that because you know, 1:33:58.680 --> 1:34:01.559 they traded me after to the playoffs for the first time. 1:34:02.160 --> 1:34:03.040 Yeah, they do make. 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:05.840 Some bad decisions over there. 1:34:10.240 --> 1:34:13.400 So after the finals, you launched your signature shoe. Uh, 1:34:14.560 --> 1:34:17.200 Leeds Alabama? Did you ever think that you would have 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:21.760 your own Nike shoe? You know, my relationship with Nike 1:34:21.880 --> 1:34:28.679 has been amazing. They're great, Horod White, Lynn, Merrick, Phil Knight. 1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:31.760 Those are three of the most important people in my 1:34:31.840 --> 1:34:32.799 basketball career. 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:36.880 When it was your first signature shoe, I think I 1:34:36.920 --> 1:34:40.680 started getting them back in Philly. Uh did you have 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:42.639 a signature shoe in ninety six? Oh? 1:34:42.720 --> 1:34:43.240 Yeah, yeah. 1:34:43.439 --> 1:34:46.360 So that's why I'm saying that I wanted to tell 1:34:46.400 --> 1:34:50.120 them the story. So my high school state championship, my 1:34:50.520 --> 1:34:53.519 family's poorking for in the shoes we get there. My 1:34:53.600 --> 1:34:56.280 shoes are from the team, but I've been playing tomorrow. Yes, 1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:58.400 they raggedy. I'm talking about I. 1:34:58.439 --> 1:35:02.240 Know how your toenails cut through letter my shoes. Yeah, 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:05.000 and my uncle shows up. They wouldn't let him back, 1:35:05.000 --> 1:35:06.240 but he shows up in the back, like. 1:35:06.200 --> 1:35:06.800 For the locker room. 1:35:06.800 --> 1:35:08.519 So when my teammates come to give me and he 1:35:08.560 --> 1:35:10.559 got a box of shoes, I'm not knowing what it is. 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:12.599 I opened the box. It was the black and gray 1:35:12.680 --> 1:35:13.240 Charles box. 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:15.719 Oh my goodness, and I ye had them five fives. 1:35:15.800 --> 1:35:19.519 I played in the state championship and them shits fresh pair. No, 1:35:19.600 --> 1:35:21.559 we won, we won, but just to have a friend, 1:35:21.600 --> 1:35:22.840 you know what I say. I had a fresh path 1:35:23.080 --> 1:35:25.000 and I wore them sits about three years straight after. 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:28.280 You know, you talk about that situation. So obviously grew 1:35:28.360 --> 1:35:31.599 up really, really poor. So my mom rest in peace. 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:36.920 She always made sure I had a good pair of shoes. 1:35:38.080 --> 1:35:40.559 She brought him to the game. She took him right 1:35:40.600 --> 1:35:44.599 after Hey, after game, she's knocking on the door, charge 1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:49.240 to bring them shoes here. I didn't get them. I 1:35:49.240 --> 1:35:51.240 couldn't wear I can only wear them. She brought them 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:54.519 to the game, came out of after the game, and 1:35:54.520 --> 1:35:56.680 because they had to last me the whole season. Now, 1:35:56.720 --> 1:35:59.360 once he was old. I could use him. But you 1:35:59.439 --> 1:36:02.240 talk about grun up poor and getting shoes and things 1:36:02.280 --> 1:36:06.040 like that, it's so crazy to shit that's happening. You think, 1:36:06.040 --> 1:36:09.120 you think about how lives have changed so much. I mean, 1:36:09.160 --> 1:36:12.400 I'm sitting there thinking, like I tell that story, like, yeah, 1:36:12.400 --> 1:36:14.160 my mom used to bring my shoes to the game, 1:36:15.000 --> 1:36:17.360 like they had to last the whole season, and she 1:36:17.400 --> 1:36:19.040 came and got them right after the game and I 1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:21.800 didn't get them back until So, man, some of this 1:36:21.840 --> 1:36:25.519 stuff you think about our lives. Now, I'm sponsored by 1:36:25.640 --> 1:36:28.400 Jordan now. So it's so crazy, isn't it. I Mean, 1:36:28.479 --> 1:36:32.479 it's just a crazy blessing, A blessing, blessings I tell 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:34.160 people all the time. Man, I got the honor and 1:36:34.160 --> 1:36:37.719 the privilege to be Charles Barkley. It's such a blessing. 1:36:38.800 --> 1:36:42.000 So the Fab Five, obviously one of the greatest college 1:36:42.040 --> 1:36:45.960 teams ever, decided to wear your shoe and continue to 1:36:46.439 --> 1:36:48.880 kind of really intrench it in the culture. What are 1:36:48.920 --> 1:36:51.040 you thinking as you're seeing, you know, these young black 1:36:51.120 --> 1:36:53.719 kids in Michigan and their new style and they're wearing 1:36:53.760 --> 1:36:54.880 your shoes on top of it. 1:36:55.080 --> 1:36:59.439 Yeah, you know, it's it's it's it's crazy. They were 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:04.400 such fun. I'm ann they were such you know. It's 1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:06.760 kind of like I get to watch March Maddness now. 1:37:07.160 --> 1:37:08.759 I used to watch it a lot when I played 1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:11.280 because it's just great, And now I get to broadcast 1:37:11.320 --> 1:37:14.519 March Madness, And I tell people everybody should go to 1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:16.360 the Final four one time in their life. There's two 1:37:16.360 --> 1:37:18.480 things you should do in your life if you like sports. 1:37:19.040 --> 1:37:24.920 Found a four Saturday at the Olympics. My job at 1:37:24.920 --> 1:37:27.120 the Final four is one of the craziest, coolest things 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:33.040 I've ever got an opportunity to do. But also the Olympics. Man, 1:37:34.040 --> 1:37:38.320 No TV doesn't do the Olympics justice. You go to 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:41.160 the Olympics, into the Final four. But to see those 1:37:41.240 --> 1:37:46.719 young kids, I mean, man, what they accomplished will probably 1:37:46.920 --> 1:37:51.280 never be accomplished again. To get to the finals two 1:37:51.360 --> 1:37:53.240 years to the final four, two years in a row 1:37:53.479 --> 1:37:56.880 with the same group of freshmen and son boys, I mean, 1:37:56.960 --> 1:38:00.320 it's incredible. I mean, well, obviously now because you know 1:38:00.400 --> 1:38:03.680 kids leaving so early. It'll never be done again. But 1:38:03.720 --> 1:38:04.520 it was incredible. 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:09.320 Your famous line, I'm not a role model came around 1:38:09.400 --> 1:38:09.760 that time. 1:38:09.880 --> 1:38:13.280 Speak to that. Probably the most important thing I done. 1:38:14.040 --> 1:38:21.240 Donna did on eloquent enough verbally all the time. So 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:22.960 that was a big deal for me. So you know, 1:38:23.080 --> 1:38:24.599 you know, part of our job we get to speak 1:38:24.640 --> 1:38:28.639 to kids a lot. So we still have too many 1:38:28.680 --> 1:38:34.320 segregated schools in this country, So especially in Philly, we 1:38:34.320 --> 1:38:36.040 speak at a lot of different like and I think 1:38:36.040 --> 1:38:38.720 players should always at least probably maybe even once a 1:38:38.800 --> 1:38:40.519 week go speak out of school because these young black 1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:43.280 kids especially look up to us and so. But what 1:38:43.360 --> 1:38:45.720 I was noticing was when I was going speak to it, 1:38:45.840 --> 1:38:51.120 but it's always talk to kids about education because one 1:38:51.120 --> 1:38:53.200 thing we need to value more, especially in black community, 1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:56.519 is education. I think we get so enamored because most 1:38:56.520 --> 1:38:58.960 of the famous black people that know are rich because 1:38:59.000 --> 1:39:01.920 of sports being entertainment. They don't realize that most people 1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:06.439 have to get a real job. So my thing is, 1:39:06.680 --> 1:39:08.200 when I was going to these schools, I said, well, 1:39:08.200 --> 1:39:11.599 how many y'all want to play sports? And I noticed 1:39:12.600 --> 1:39:16.760 at the black schools, pretty much every kid raised their hand, 1:39:17.680 --> 1:39:20.040 and I was like, oh, that's interesting. But when I 1:39:20.120 --> 1:39:21.720 go to a white school, I said, well, how many 1:39:21.720 --> 1:39:24.000 of y'all want to play sports? Only about ten percent 1:39:24.080 --> 1:39:26.080 raised their hand. I said, what do you want to do? 1:39:26.320 --> 1:39:28.120 I want to be a doctor. I want to be 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:30.280 a lawyer. I want to be an engineer. I want 1:39:30.280 --> 1:39:32.320 to be a teacher, fire and policeman, things like that. 1:39:33.160 --> 1:39:35.479 So I kind of start paying attention. For like a 1:39:35.520 --> 1:39:40.559 couple of years, I said, guys, we got too many 1:39:40.600 --> 1:39:44.440 black kids think they can only be successful through athletics 1:39:44.439 --> 1:39:46.360 and entertainment. They don't think they can be doctors and 1:39:46.439 --> 1:39:49.720 lawyers and engineers and shit like that. And I said, 1:39:49.760 --> 1:39:53.559 we need to do something about that. So I called 1:39:53.880 --> 1:39:55.959 a meet with Nike. I said, I got this commercial 1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:59.720 I want to make. They're like your fucking nuts. They're 1:39:59.760 --> 1:40:03.960 like fucking nuts. And I said no, I says, he says, 1:40:04.000 --> 1:40:06.439 you're gonna get killed. I said, that's fine. I can 1:40:06.439 --> 1:40:08.800 handle it. I dude, I play in fucking Philly. I 1:40:08.840 --> 1:40:10.960 thought my name was Charles Barker, your motherfucker for like 1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:14.800 five years. There's nothing I'm not gonna be offended or 1:40:14.840 --> 1:40:19.759 upset by anything like that. And he says, are you sure? 1:40:20.080 --> 1:40:24.879 I says, I'm positive. So I made the commercial. Obviously 1:40:24.920 --> 1:40:29.600 it blew up and craziness, and I said, and I 1:40:29.640 --> 1:40:31.320 went on and explained what I was trying to do, 1:40:31.680 --> 1:40:34.400 and it turned into a real positive thing. And in 1:40:34.560 --> 1:40:37.639 fairness to Nike, they came to back to me late 1:40:37.680 --> 1:40:41.080 and says, hey, we were wrong. We ninety percent of 1:40:41.080 --> 1:40:43.960 our letters we got was so positive on that commercial. 1:40:44.560 --> 1:40:46.519 And I says, all I was doing was trying to 1:40:46.520 --> 1:40:49.639 the start a debate because I've got to get these 1:40:49.680 --> 1:40:52.439 black kids to stop thinking they can only play sports 1:40:52.439 --> 1:40:55.400 to be successful. And like I say, I just wanted 1:40:55.439 --> 1:40:59.559 to start like a debate and it turned it turned 1:40:59.560 --> 1:41:02.759 out to be perfect because I'm forty I'll be forty 1:41:02.760 --> 1:41:05.920 five in April. You a role model to me. You'll 1:41:05.920 --> 1:41:09.840 appreciate it. But I think these young brothers, man and sisters, 1:41:09.920 --> 1:41:13.439 like we can be doctors and lawyers and engineers anything. 1:41:13.520 --> 1:41:16.280 But they don't think that, right, They don't think that 1:41:16.360 --> 1:41:18.400 because they don't see it. 1:41:18.439 --> 1:41:22.120 They don't see that the only famous They see how 1:41:22.200 --> 1:41:25.880 much money we make, and they see us jocks and entertainers. 1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:28.760 I'm like, y'all do know we got black doctors, right, 1:41:29.240 --> 1:41:33.559 we got black lawyers, we got black engineers, judges, but 1:41:33.920 --> 1:41:35.640 they're not they're not in their neighborhood. 1:41:36.200 --> 1:41:38.920 Yeah, got to see it to believe it. On your 1:41:38.920 --> 1:41:40.679 way out the league, you get a chance to go 1:41:40.760 --> 1:41:43.600 to Houston and play with Clyde and the King. What 1:41:43.720 --> 1:41:45.360 was it like playing with those two? 1:41:45.920 --> 1:41:48.200 That was very difficult for me, to be honest with you, 1:41:48.200 --> 1:41:51.320 because I was I really didn't want to leave Phoenix. 1:41:52.280 --> 1:41:56.160 So the Rockets called me on the phone. One of 1:41:56.200 --> 1:41:58.800 my friends worked in the front office, Robert Barr worked 1:41:58.800 --> 1:42:02.160 for the Rockets, and he says, hey, man, if we 1:42:02.280 --> 1:42:05.080 trade for you, are you gonna want a new contract? 1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:07.439 I'm like, man, what the fuck are you talking about? 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:11.920 He says, the Sons are shopping you. I said, Sons 1:42:11.920 --> 1:42:13.840 ain't fucking shopping me. I'm on the player we got. 1:42:15.800 --> 1:42:18.800 And I said, dude, the Sons are not shopping me. 1:42:19.200 --> 1:42:21.760 He said, let me ask you a question. If we 1:42:21.840 --> 1:42:24.880 trade for you, you want a new contract? I said, dude, 1:42:24.880 --> 1:42:26.840 I got a contract. He said, are you gonna hold 1:42:26.840 --> 1:42:30.599 out for a new contract? I says, dude, stop at 1:42:30.600 --> 1:42:34.880 the son. He's a good friend of mine, he says. 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:37.439 I says. I called the Sons. I said, hey, man, 1:42:38.520 --> 1:42:42.679 are y'all shopping me? Like, no, man, You're the only 1:42:42.680 --> 1:42:45.240 player we got. Blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like okay. 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:51.760 Three hours later, Charles, are you gonna want a new 1:42:51.800 --> 1:42:53.760 contract and we trade for you. I said, yo, man, 1:42:54.520 --> 1:42:58.000 I talked to the sons. Ain't nothing going on? And 1:42:58.120 --> 1:43:02.080 nothing going on, Charles, I'm asking you this for the 1:43:02.160 --> 1:43:07.000 last Are you gonna hold out or anything if we 1:43:07.040 --> 1:43:15.960 make the trade. I'm like, yo, man, no, because at 1:43:15.960 --> 1:43:17.360 that point I knew they were full of shit. The 1:43:17.439 --> 1:43:22.920 signs were and they made the trade and I had 1:43:22.920 --> 1:43:26.720 to make the best of it. I enjoyed playing with 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:28.960 the King in Clyde. I hate that we were all 1:43:29.000 --> 1:43:33.240 over the hill and we had two good years. Well 1:43:33.240 --> 1:43:35.000 we lost. I think we lost in the conference finals 1:43:35.040 --> 1:43:38.160 one year. I got hurt, one year, I got hurt 1:43:38.160 --> 1:43:40.400 one year, and then we lost in the conference finals. 1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:44.879 And I always want to thank Rudy tom Janovic because 1:43:45.280 --> 1:43:47.240 my last two years I couldn't play dead. 1:43:48.200 --> 1:43:52.240 He treated me great. He treated me great with back issues. 1:43:52.280 --> 1:43:55.000 Right around the time, I just couldn't jump anymore. I 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:58.519 was old, was but he treated me great and I 1:43:58.560 --> 1:44:00.400 went to him. I said, coach, can I come off 1:44:00.439 --> 1:44:04.280 the bench? He says, you're sure? I said, I'm not sure. 1:44:04.320 --> 1:44:09.120 I'm fucking positive, but I couldn't play. But they treated 1:44:09.160 --> 1:44:11.080 me great, which is all you want as a player 1:44:11.520 --> 1:44:14.000 because I was winding. It was the end of my 1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:14.839 career anyway. 1:44:15.800 --> 1:44:20.639 Uh. And I wasn't gonna leave no money on the table, y'all, y'all, 1:44:21.080 --> 1:44:23.360 I ain't gonna say, lead you to my last two years. 1:44:23.400 --> 1:44:25.639 I said, I can't play, but I'm gonna finish these 1:44:25.640 --> 1:44:29.280 next two years out. And uh. But I really appreciated 1:44:29.360 --> 1:44:31.160 Rudy and the Rockets treating me with class. 1:44:31.320 --> 1:44:34.280 Yeah, it gave that championship feel back to Houston when 1:44:34.320 --> 1:44:35.960 you came, even though y'all didn't win, like, it was 1:44:36.360 --> 1:44:36.840 good times. 1:44:37.040 --> 1:44:39.519 I enjoyed the city too. I enjoyed Yeah, it got 1:44:39.520 --> 1:44:41.880 a good rest there. It was a good time when 1:44:41.880 --> 1:44:45.680 he was there. What are your biggest observations of the 1:44:45.720 --> 1:44:50.280 season so far? Home stretch better almost done. It's awful basketball. 1:44:50.800 --> 1:44:52.720 I hate to be the old get off my lawn, dude. 1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:57.679 It's awful basketball. No defense, no defense, and it's become 1:44:57.720 --> 1:45:00.840 a three point shooting contest and the only thing that 1:45:00.880 --> 1:45:02.760 bolls me. And people are like, oh, you just mad 1:45:02.800 --> 1:45:04.760 because you didn't play. I said, no, no, no, no, 1:45:05.400 --> 1:45:10.160 there's strategy in basketball to just go to the gym 1:45:10.240 --> 1:45:13.280 saying we're just gonna jack up threes all night and 1:45:13.320 --> 1:45:14.920 If we make them, we win. If we miss them, 1:45:14.960 --> 1:45:18.160 we lose. And the only thing that boss me. I said, hey, all, 1:45:18.200 --> 1:45:22.800 you motherfuckers can't be good three point shooters, right, I said, 1:45:22.840 --> 1:45:24.840 wait a minute. If you're a good three point shooter, 1:45:24.920 --> 1:45:28.400 all y'all motherfuckers ain't Steph and Clay right. I says, 1:45:28.640 --> 1:45:32.320 I don't mind guys shooting threes, but your big guys 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:33.080 are shooting threes. 1:45:33.160 --> 1:45:33.400 Now. 1:45:34.080 --> 1:45:38.040 I says, if y'all just gonna have three point shooting contests, 1:45:38.160 --> 1:45:41.200 just say it. I said, the big guys don't post 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:44.439 up anymore. Joel and Bee is the best big man 1:45:44.640 --> 1:45:46.439 up there with Joker. I said, they're the only two 1:45:46.520 --> 1:45:50.960 guys who post up realistically. I said, but I don't. 1:45:51.000 --> 1:45:53.680 I said, hey, y'all play how you want to. But 1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:56.519 if y'all just gonna go out and shoot threes all night, 1:45:56.600 --> 1:46:00.360 but that's fine, I will tell you this. I said 1:46:00.360 --> 1:46:02.400 this the other night on the show. I got zero 1:46:02.439 --> 1:46:06.439 ideal gonna win the championship. I said, Denver's gonna finish 1:46:06.520 --> 1:46:08.280 with the best record because I think they got the 1:46:08.320 --> 1:46:13.639 best team. But you're gonna need a dog. You're gonna 1:46:13.640 --> 1:46:17.679 need a dog at some point. And I think it's 1:46:17.680 --> 1:46:20.679 gonna be Jamal Murray. I said he's gonna be the key. 1:46:21.080 --> 1:46:24.080 I says, greatest joker is at some point in a 1:46:24.120 --> 1:46:26.160 basketball game, you got to get a ball to it. 1:46:26.200 --> 1:46:28.040 I said this on air. I said, he said, hey, 1:46:28.479 --> 1:46:31.960 get me one, and I says, Jamal Murray is a 1:46:32.000 --> 1:46:34.080 guy who can do that. I love what they went 1:46:34.160 --> 1:46:39.240 out going to get Brown and KCP and so Denver. 1:46:39.360 --> 1:46:41.640 To me, looks like, man, they're gonna be a handful. 1:46:42.280 --> 1:46:48.080 But I think my sons are done because once you 1:46:48.200 --> 1:46:50.680 lose that chemistry on the team, I don't think you 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:53.439 can get it back. And I think they've lost it. 1:46:53.920 --> 1:46:57.559 They don't like each other and once because I think 1:46:57.600 --> 1:47:01.400 you got to. Every team has as clicks, but you 1:47:01.400 --> 1:47:03.519 have to like and respect each other if you're going 1:47:03.560 --> 1:47:08.560 to win. Milwaukee and Boston, I think they've separated themselves 1:47:08.560 --> 1:47:15.479 in the East and the intriguing team is gonna be Brooklyn. Uh. 1:47:16.360 --> 1:47:19.280 I think it's gonna come down to Ben Simmons because 1:47:19.320 --> 1:47:21.479 I think Katie and Kyrie are gonna do their thing, 1:47:22.360 --> 1:47:25.080 but Ben Simmons is gonna be the wild card. He 1:47:25.160 --> 1:47:26.680 has to be a factor somewhere. 1:47:26.760 --> 1:47:29.600 Yes, like either either be the defensive stopper or you 1:47:29.600 --> 1:47:30.080 know what I'm saying. 1:47:30.080 --> 1:47:31.880 But he's just out there right now, he's not doing that, 1:47:32.080 --> 1:47:36.200 not doing anything, and so but man, it's gonna be interesting. 1:47:36.640 --> 1:47:39.280 But that's the beauty of it. Man. Somebody's gonna win 1:47:39.360 --> 1:47:41.559 this thing and it's gonna be well deserved. 1:47:41.560 --> 1:47:47.600 But right now, uh, it's gonna be interesting. Anybody in 1:47:47.640 --> 1:47:49.720 today's game remind you of yourself. 1:47:52.439 --> 1:47:57.559 Not really, because you know they just nobody plays physical. 1:47:57.800 --> 1:48:00.760 You can't. First of all, you can't play physical. You know. 1:48:00.840 --> 1:48:02.840 I had to play physical because I'm a six or 1:48:02.880 --> 1:48:05.439 five guy playing against big dudes I got. I mean, 1:48:05.760 --> 1:48:09.360 Jack was the last guy, all right. Yeah, see Zach, 1:48:09.680 --> 1:48:13.920 Zach and a Joker. I love watching them play because 1:48:15.360 --> 1:48:19.160 everybody can play when you can run and jump real yeah, 1:48:19.160 --> 1:48:21.960 but when you have to use your brain and your body. 1:48:22.520 --> 1:48:27.719 That's why I love watching Jack, Joker and Zach play. Now. 1:48:29.040 --> 1:48:33.960 I really love that boy, Yannis him and Russell Westbrook. 1:48:34.760 --> 1:48:39.000 I've never seen NBA players play harder than those two guys. 1:48:40.320 --> 1:48:44.720 You know, Russell does he have flaws, yes, But I'm 1:48:44.760 --> 1:48:47.120 never gonna say anything bad about a man who plays 1:48:47.200 --> 1:48:49.559 that hard every single night. 1:48:49.479 --> 1:48:51.599 And plays every almost every game, every. 1:48:51.400 --> 1:48:56.599 Game, and Jannis he's the same way. He plays one 1:48:56.680 --> 1:49:00.720 percent effort every single night, and you have to admire that. 1:49:02.280 --> 1:49:03.720 Who is the best player in the league right now? 1:49:03.800 --> 1:49:07.519 To you? I would go with Jannis, Yeah, I would 1:49:07.560 --> 1:49:12.320 go with Yannis. Katie is probably the best offensive player, 1:49:12.640 --> 1:49:21.600 but Jannis. But jokers ridiculous. Mean that dude is ridiculous. 1:49:21.640 --> 1:49:25.360 That's the last. Yeah, I mean, he is ridiculous. I mean, 1:49:25.760 --> 1:49:30.840 but you know, Joel's fantastic, Steph, Steph. I mean, so 1:49:30.880 --> 1:49:34.080 it's some great players out there, and they're fine to watch. 1:49:34.680 --> 1:49:38.639 I just wish they would bring a little bit more 1:49:38.680 --> 1:49:41.040 strategy into the game instead of just saying, hey man, 1:49:41.120 --> 1:49:42.599 let's just jack up a bunch of threes. 1:49:42.760 --> 1:49:45.559 That's what's going on. Too quick hitters. First thing to 1:49:45.560 --> 1:49:47.360 pop your mind. Let us know this is gonna be 1:49:47.400 --> 1:49:49.120 a big one to put you on the spot top 1:49:49.160 --> 1:49:50.920 five all time. Who's in your top five? 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:59.360 Michael Oscar Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell, those are your top five, 1:49:59.600 --> 1:50:06.439 Kobe Lebron, Tim Duncan, Queen, Jared West, those are my 1:50:06.479 --> 1:50:14.799 top ten, and then you got Magic Berg, Shack. Steph 1:50:14.920 --> 1:50:18.240 is right there in that vicinity. Elgend Baylor. His top 1:50:18.280 --> 1:50:18.960 ten was nice. 1:50:18.960 --> 1:50:22.559 Can any current player crack the top ten by the 1:50:22.560 --> 1:50:25.240 time they're done in your in your top ten? 1:50:25.320 --> 1:50:36.800 In your opinion? That that's that's a great question. Steph 1:50:36.920 --> 1:50:41.000 is knocking on the door. If Steph win one more, 1:50:42.200 --> 1:50:43.840 it's gonna be hard not to It's gonna be hard 1:50:43.880 --> 1:50:45.040 not to put him in the top ten. 1:50:45.240 --> 1:50:46.439 Did you have Bron in your top ten? 1:50:46.600 --> 1:50:50.160 He's seven Kobe and it's so fun. I had an 1:50:50.200 --> 1:50:53.720 argument with a dude. He's the biggest Lebron fan in 1:50:53.760 --> 1:50:58.479 the world. And I says, Yo, Man, I didn't put 1:51:00.400 --> 1:51:04.200 Steve Nash ahead of Lebron, no disrespect. I put Kobe Bryant, 1:51:05.120 --> 1:51:08.000 I said, and I love Lebron. I said, but the 1:51:08.040 --> 1:51:12.200 difference in my opinion, I says, Michael and Kobe will 1:51:12.280 --> 1:51:20.320 kill you. I said, like, Lebron's a nice guy. I said, 1:51:20.640 --> 1:51:24.080 ain't nobody ever said Kobe and Lebron and Michael were 1:51:24.200 --> 1:51:27.839 nice guys? I said, those words ain't never been spoken. 1:51:28.360 --> 1:51:31.599 But nobody ever said, man, that Michael Jordan's a nice guy. 1:51:31.640 --> 1:51:32.280 I'm like they did. 1:51:32.320 --> 1:51:32.840 Who said that? 1:51:33.560 --> 1:51:36.600 The same thing with Kobe? And there's nothing wrong with that, 1:51:37.920 --> 1:51:42.920 But Lebron he's just a nice man, and I got him. 1:51:42.760 --> 1:51:47.360 Seven Yeah, one album you can listen to and repeat. 1:51:48.760 --> 1:51:49.840 I want to hear this. I want to know what 1:51:49.920 --> 1:51:52.599 kind of musics you listened to. Well, it's so funny. 1:51:52.640 --> 1:51:55.960 I had a bunch of people over last night, and 1:51:56.000 --> 1:52:02.640 it's so funny. Chuck d gave me Ael about a 1:52:02.720 --> 1:52:08.440 year and a half ago. So I've been out. 1:52:07.400 --> 1:52:10.719 Buying albums and I had all the Capital one people 1:52:10.720 --> 1:52:13.040 over the spot last night. We're getting drunk. We've been 1:52:13.400 --> 1:52:21.840 tired of shooting. We listened to Public Enemy, Tupac, Notaris, 1:52:21.880 --> 1:52:28.840 b Ig the Eagles. Dude, I've been shopping. I got 1:52:28.880 --> 1:52:35.080 about ten new vinyls for Christmas from different friends. And 1:52:34.840 --> 1:52:36.720 I bought a record player about a year and a 1:52:36.760 --> 1:52:38.800 half ago after Dre got me that because I had 1:52:38.880 --> 1:52:41.760 because that's the old school. I had record player growing up, 1:52:42.280 --> 1:52:45.439 and I didn't know they were making a comeback, but 1:52:45.800 --> 1:52:49.360 I got when Dre went excuse me, when Chuck gave 1:52:49.400 --> 1:52:51.840 me that vinyl about a year and a half ago, 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:54.320 I went out and bought me a record player. So 1:52:54.400 --> 1:52:57.519 I been going to a record store like once a month, 1:52:58.120 --> 1:53:02.720 picking out. I just I just got uh Thriller, the 1:53:02.760 --> 1:53:06.280 new Bruno Bruno mars Man. But like I say, most 1:53:06.320 --> 1:53:12.240 of my stuff is uh jay Z, Tupac Biggie. And 1:53:12.320 --> 1:53:14.040 then we had it blowing up last night and. 1:53:17.120 --> 1:53:17.880 It was going down. 1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:20.760 Yeah. We have been working like twelve hour days for 1:53:20.840 --> 1:53:24.479 four days in a row, and man, everybody left town 1:53:24.520 --> 1:53:27.840 this morning. But we let it go last night. I 1:53:27.840 --> 1:53:29.680 mean we were going at the heart. I love it. 1:53:29.720 --> 1:53:30.200 I love it. 1:53:31.000 --> 1:53:33.599 Kenny briefly spoke to this when we had him your 1:53:33.640 --> 1:53:36.400 first impression when Shaq came to the crew and he 1:53:36.479 --> 1:53:39.000 brought his DJ set, his hookah lounge and all this 1:53:39.080 --> 1:53:41.040 kind of ship right on, he seemed to chake his 1:53:41.080 --> 1:53:41.800 head right off the bat. 1:53:42.640 --> 1:53:51.960 So so you know, we're in a room we got 1:53:52.040 --> 1:53:56.559 like it's just like something like this. We have every 1:53:56.600 --> 1:54:01.559 game on and a bunch of networks shocks another room 1:54:02.520 --> 1:54:09.320 smoking hookah. He loves hookah, loves it every day and 1:54:09.360 --> 1:54:13.200 he's in there smoking hooka the like. Then he's practicing 1:54:13.360 --> 1:54:17.840 DJ stuff. Apparently he's pretty good DJ. Yeah, and like 1:54:18.360 --> 1:54:23.040 loud as hell, loud as hell, he's smoking hookah and 1:54:23.080 --> 1:54:29.360 we going like yo, man, So it's crazy he's in 1:54:29.400 --> 1:54:32.640 that practice, in this DJ thing. And finally they said, yo, man, 1:54:32.680 --> 1:54:35.560 you can't smoke hookah in the building. He goes out 1:54:35.560 --> 1:54:39.960 in the parking lot and he's smoking hookah and he 1:54:40.000 --> 1:54:45.560 loves it. He loves it, and he just makes us 1:54:45.640 --> 1:54:49.160 laugh man, because he's got a pure hard but man, 1:54:49.160 --> 1:54:51.000 when he first came there, but the tea that was 1:54:51.040 --> 1:54:56.360 really funny. He come like the first night, he do 1:54:56.480 --> 1:55:01.120 some funny, Second night, he do some funny. Third NIGHTY 1:55:01.160 --> 1:55:04.480 do something funny. And then he says then he says like, hey, 1:55:04.480 --> 1:55:06.560 I need you guys. I need you guys. I want 1:55:06.600 --> 1:55:11.120 to try this next week. We're like, yo, man, you 1:55:11.160 --> 1:55:13.520 know we're on TV like one hundred and some days 1:55:13.640 --> 1:55:15.520 you can't try to do some shit every night and 1:55:15.600 --> 1:55:21.840 other so seriously, so we're like the joke around the 1:55:21.880 --> 1:55:26.280 studio became like, hey, we like five shows from Shaq 1:55:26.320 --> 1:55:32.839 settinghimself on fire on TV because he was actually thinking 1:55:33.400 --> 1:55:35.240 like I've got to out. 1:55:35.160 --> 1:55:36.680 Doing myself every week. 1:55:36.720 --> 1:55:40.120 We're like, yo, man, we're only four shows in. We 1:55:40.200 --> 1:55:43.160 got one hundred shows, and that's when we came up 1:55:43.200 --> 1:55:45.160 with a joke. You know what you think about show 1:55:45.240 --> 1:55:47.920 ten twelve, We're gonna set itself on fire, and that 1:55:47.960 --> 1:55:52.000 became the joke but we're like, yo, man, we don't 1:55:52.280 --> 1:55:56.520 have to outdo ourselves every night. Yeah, I said, the 1:55:56.600 --> 1:55:59.080 only time we have to come up with shit is 1:55:59.080 --> 1:56:02.440 when we got bad games. He says, when we got 1:56:02.480 --> 1:56:05.960 good games, the game it's the easiest job in the world. 1:56:06.840 --> 1:56:09.720 I said, because we're on from seven to one thirty 1:56:09.720 --> 1:56:12.840 in the morning. I said, if the games are good, 1:56:13.480 --> 1:56:17.880 we're good. But if we got ship games, we got 1:56:17.920 --> 1:56:19.600 to make people still watch. That's when we have to 1:56:19.640 --> 1:56:22.360 come up with Silly's two days. I said, So, so 1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:24.800 let the game play out before you come up with 1:56:24.880 --> 1:56:28.320 some ship so so, but it's been fun, man, be 1:56:28.360 --> 1:56:30.560 at home righting do this today. Yeah, I was like, 1:56:30.640 --> 1:56:34.120 it was be like, yo, man, let the game play out, because, 1:56:34.280 --> 1:56:36.040 like I said, you want people to watch, but they're 1:56:36.040 --> 1:56:38.640 not going to watch from seven to one thirty if 1:56:38.640 --> 1:56:42.280 it shipped games. So let the games play out. But 1:56:42.400 --> 1:56:45.760 now he's got it, man, he's got it. Best boxing 1:56:45.800 --> 1:56:50.640 fight you've ever seen live. We've seen one hundred of them, right, 1:56:52.720 --> 1:56:59.680 I will probably say Hagler hearns it was there live. Yeah, wow, 1:57:00.120 --> 1:57:03.680 I was there for field the bite. I was there 1:57:03.680 --> 1:57:07.400 for the bite. Hears though, Yeah, I was there with 1:57:08.240 --> 1:57:11.640 so it was so funny. That was in Vegas. So 1:57:11.760 --> 1:57:13.520 you know, we we you know, you play golf all 1:57:13.560 --> 1:57:15.840 day and you're getting your drink on. I love to 1:57:15.920 --> 1:57:21.960 drink and love to gamble. So we see this motherfucker 1:57:23.240 --> 1:57:27.120 circling and we look up and said, man, this motherfucker 1:57:27.120 --> 1:57:31.320 real close to the ring. Yes, yes, and they're like, man, 1:57:31.320 --> 1:57:33.200 ship the fuck up? You just drunk? I said, no, man, 1:57:33.320 --> 1:57:36.680 motherfuck up on want of them gliders up here. About 1:57:37.200 --> 1:57:45.520 an hour later, the motherfucker's in the ring. But I've 1:57:45.560 --> 1:57:47.640 been Oh, I'll tell you a funny story about boxing. 1:57:48.920 --> 1:57:53.680 I'm with Magic Michael Patrick Ewing and they're all like 1:57:54.720 --> 1:57:57.240 early in my career. I'm a young buck on the 1:57:57.240 --> 1:58:02.240 totem pole. They make me go get drinks and I 1:58:02.360 --> 1:58:04.880 come back and taxon already. I knocked this motherfucker out. 1:58:05.040 --> 1:58:05.800 You missed the fight? 1:58:08.840 --> 1:58:11.560 Are you fucking see us? Right now? These motherfuckers are 1:58:11.600 --> 1:58:14.560 laughing at me. I'm walking there with two buckets of 1:58:14.600 --> 1:58:19.280 popcorn and some drinks. I walked back fights over and 1:58:19.280 --> 1:58:22.000 they just fucking laughing at me. I'm sitting there like 1:58:22.240 --> 1:58:26.120 a y'all fuck this. I'm so man. I've been boxing. 1:58:26.160 --> 1:58:31.240 Football are my two favorite sports, because you know, I 1:58:31.280 --> 1:58:38.360 played football for one day and I did one day. 1:58:38.440 --> 1:58:42.160 I did one day. I was like, now, not doing 1:58:42.160 --> 1:58:47.080 this ship. I was sitting there, bleeding hands, all beat up, 1:58:47.400 --> 1:58:52.960 everything hurts, what position, defensive tackle? I'm sitting there, I'm exhausted, 1:58:53.000 --> 1:58:57.320 I'm bleeding a couple of places, head hurting coaches. I 1:58:57.400 --> 1:59:01.080 see y'all tomorrow. All right, I'm doing this shit tomorrow. 1:59:01.480 --> 1:59:04.560 I'm not doing this shit tomorrow. No, hell don't know. 1:59:04.680 --> 1:59:08.520 I'm done, and I like coach, So take my shower, 1:59:09.080 --> 1:59:11.920 pull my ship up. That's a coach. This ain't for me. Yeah, 1:59:12.240 --> 1:59:14.320 I was taking that the other night when that young 1:59:14.440 --> 1:59:15.760 kid Lamar got hurt. 1:59:15.760 --> 1:59:15.960 Man. 1:59:16.320 --> 1:59:19.440 The reason football and boxing on my favorite sports. It 1:59:19.520 --> 1:59:22.160 take coverage to go out there, sir. You can't be 1:59:22.240 --> 1:59:26.440 soft and play football or box you cannot. And so 1:59:26.640 --> 1:59:29.160 that's why they are my two favorite sports. Like I 1:59:29.240 --> 1:59:31.040 tried it for one day and I'm like, yeah, this 1:59:31.080 --> 1:59:34.160 ship is not for me. And that's why I admire 1:59:34.240 --> 1:59:37.040 football player and boxers. I said, you can be soft 1:59:37.120 --> 1:59:42.280 and play basketball, but there's no soft football players or boxers. 1:59:42.360 --> 1:59:46.480 You can get hurt in those sports every single time 1:59:46.560 --> 1:59:49.280 you lay them up and that's why they are my 1:59:49.320 --> 1:59:51.480 two favorite sports. You can't you can't play boxing. 1:59:51.520 --> 1:59:53.040 But since I would show time and I do a 1:59:53.080 --> 1:59:54.640 lot of stuff at boxing, I would like to invite 1:59:54.680 --> 1:59:55.760 just one of the fights coming up. 1:59:55.800 --> 1:59:57.520 Got a good card coming up the rest of this year, 1:59:57.600 --> 1:59:59.880 So like to invite you. You know, first of all, 2:00:00.080 --> 2:00:02.000 I'll take you up on that. Don't they bothers me 2:00:02.040 --> 2:00:05.120 about boxing? These dudes won't fight each other. Yeah, yeah, 2:00:05.160 --> 2:00:08.280 it really pisses me off because you know, I look 2:00:08.320 --> 2:00:12.680 at Ali. I'm afraid he had three. They had three. 2:00:14.000 --> 2:00:16.400 You don't. And I don't understand why you don't want 2:00:16.440 --> 2:00:19.760 to fight the best, Like I would want to know 2:00:20.680 --> 2:00:24.200 who's better, who's better? Hey, and let me say if 2:00:24.200 --> 2:00:26.920 you beat me, let me get my ass back in 2:00:26.960 --> 2:00:28.640 the gym and see if I can get better. 2:00:28.720 --> 2:00:31.080 And I hate people say, well, this is the Floyd era. 2:00:31.280 --> 2:00:36.120 Floyd for everybody, Floyd for everybody. He didn't dunck Nobody's 2:00:36.160 --> 2:00:36.920 for everybody. 2:00:37.360 --> 2:00:39.440 The only thing problem I have at Floyd he waited 2:00:39.480 --> 2:00:43.480 too late to fight pack that, but he did everybody. Everybody. 2:00:43.600 --> 2:00:47.520 These young boys said, they all want to be undefeated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:00:47.560 --> 2:00:50.120 they want to Oh and I don't understand though, because 2:00:50.120 --> 2:00:52.160 I would want to say, hey, he beat me the 2:00:52.200 --> 2:00:56.120 first time. I got better and beat him the second time. 2:00:56.200 --> 2:01:01.480 Now let's have and that's you want. Can you imagine 2:01:01.480 --> 2:01:04.160 it in our sport if somebody said, well we wanted 2:01:04.160 --> 2:01:09.600 the East, We're good the West. Yeah, like no, we're 2:01:09.600 --> 2:01:12.760 the Eastern Conference champions. We got got it. Yeah that 2:01:12.800 --> 2:01:15.360 ain't good enough. But man, so that's the only thing 2:01:15.400 --> 2:01:17.760 that bothers me about boxing. But I love it. Yeah, 2:01:18.200 --> 2:01:19.280 hopefully they'll get back to it. 2:01:20.160 --> 2:01:23.840 Obviously you probably met everybody in the world. But who's 2:01:23.880 --> 2:01:25.440 the coolest person you got a chance to meet? 2:01:30.280 --> 2:01:35.160 But Denzel was great. Jack Nicholson was great guy that 2:01:35.960 --> 2:01:39.000 Jack Nicholson. Uh. When I met Sam Jackson for the 2:01:39.000 --> 2:01:42.600 first time, it was I still want to meet you 2:01:42.600 --> 2:01:49.360 know in these commercials, we uh Willan Nelson, isn't it? 2:01:50.800 --> 2:01:53.200 And I told Spike, I said, Spike, why in the 2:01:53.200 --> 2:01:54.680 hell did you tell me you were gonna be with 2:01:54.920 --> 2:01:58.040 will and Nelson? I want to meet WILLI Nelson? Uh 2:01:58.240 --> 2:02:03.200 Idris Elba, I want to meet him. I met Edie 2:02:03.240 --> 2:02:05.200 Murphy one time. It was pretty cool. 2:02:05.520 --> 2:02:07.560 Yeah, you said you met Snoop one time. 2:02:07.720 --> 2:02:10.080 I was excited to meet Snoop. I mean it's not often. 2:02:10.160 --> 2:02:12.320 I met doctor Dre a long time ago, you know, 2:02:12.400 --> 2:02:15.360 snoopid living legend. It was pretty cool to meet him. 2:02:15.920 --> 2:02:16.760 I want to meet him and. 2:02:16.720 --> 2:02:19.800 Them if anybody get a chance to hang out with you, 2:02:20.640 --> 2:02:22.080 because I had a chance to hang out with you 2:02:22.120 --> 2:02:22.879 the Big Three. 2:02:23.040 --> 2:02:25.080 As soon as I walk to my wife and chanced 2:02:25.080 --> 2:02:27.400 to speak to him. Good. As soon as you say, Jack, hey, 2:02:27.600 --> 2:02:33.000 he's been me telling me the boy's hey, man, we're 2:02:33.040 --> 2:02:38.040 in the same fraternity. Anybody is in my fraternity, We're good. 2:02:38.880 --> 2:02:40.560 You know what it takes to get to the NBA 2:02:40.680 --> 2:02:44.200 both and after. Yeah, But you know, like if you 2:02:44.400 --> 2:02:51.200 get to the game, I'm like, I respect that, because 2:02:51.280 --> 2:02:54.280 like the way this thing works is we all play 2:02:54.400 --> 2:02:59.600 high school a couple more, only a couple move home. Yeah, 2:03:00.280 --> 2:03:04.280 get to college, play there even less. Then to get 2:03:04.360 --> 2:03:08.160 then you get to the Big Boy even less. And 2:03:08.280 --> 2:03:12.640 if you get there, you're like, damn man, much respect. 2:03:13.400 --> 2:03:16.600 You got to the dance and everybody's trying to get 2:03:16.600 --> 2:03:17.040 to the dance. 2:03:17.120 --> 2:03:21.160 If everybody in the world, the whole world, the whole world. 2:03:22.240 --> 2:03:26.720 Final question, if you could see anyone on our show, 2:03:26.840 --> 2:03:27.360 who would it be? 2:03:27.640 --> 2:03:30.560 But you have to help us get your answer on 2:03:30.640 --> 2:03:35.360 the show. We had everybody on your show already. So, 2:03:37.240 --> 2:03:39.160 but you went to college with someone we really want. 2:03:39.360 --> 2:03:44.040 Yeah who you watched this high school football game? 2:03:45.400 --> 2:03:50.520 Yeah? Does he do interviews? He does not. He does not. 2:03:52.160 --> 2:03:54.680 But I'll tell you what I will call boy. You 2:03:54.760 --> 2:03:58.000 have my word? Thank you appreciate that. I appreciate it. 2:03:58.200 --> 2:04:00.160 You have my word. I will reach out to both. 2:04:00.160 --> 2:04:03.160 Appreciate big fan he did each other and I ask 2:04:03.240 --> 2:04:05.080 him and he'll like kind of laugh around it. So 2:04:05.200 --> 2:04:06.720 if maybe if you put the pressure on, it's a 2:04:06.760 --> 2:04:09.760 good dude man. Seemed like a great nose podcast. Does 2:04:09.840 --> 2:04:11.960 he hopefully have my word? 2:04:12.000 --> 2:04:13.960 I'll reach out to would be huge? 2:04:14.200 --> 2:04:14.320 Ya? 2:04:14.920 --> 2:04:15.280 Who else? 2:04:15.440 --> 2:04:15.560 Uh? 2:04:17.080 --> 2:04:17.120 No? 2:04:17.480 --> 2:04:17.520 No? 2:04:19.480 --> 2:04:20.120 Oh, Samuel. 2:04:20.640 --> 2:04:23.120 Well, I'm looking up to Samuel because I'm starting my 2:04:23.280 --> 2:04:27.120 acting lately late forty four. He didn't win his Oscar 2:04:27.200 --> 2:04:29.960 to the year ago sixty something, So yeah, I look 2:04:30.000 --> 2:04:30.400 up to him. 2:04:31.280 --> 2:04:31.920 Samuel Jack. 2:04:32.120 --> 2:04:35.280 Anybody in your Rolodex will do anybody in Roodex, dude? 2:04:35.640 --> 2:04:40.320 You know so the thing I like Spike, so uh oh, Spike, 2:04:40.400 --> 2:04:43.080 for sure, it's easy. We ain't have Spike either, that's easy. 2:04:44.760 --> 2:04:47.800 Let me tell you this. When they when they approached 2:04:47.880 --> 2:04:54.120 me four years ago. Uh, they pushed me in Earnest says, 2:04:54.160 --> 2:04:58.720 you guys want to do a podcast. I'm like, nope, nope, nope, 2:04:58.920 --> 2:05:03.520 I don't want to do no podcast. And I'm like no, 2:05:05.280 --> 2:05:08.240 And then we were in the middle of the pandemic. 2:05:09.360 --> 2:05:11.640 I'm like, what, these motherfuckers are still paying us. Let's 2:05:11.680 --> 2:05:16.800 help him out. The best decision I made. I'm talking 2:05:16.800 --> 2:05:21.840 to motherfuckers. Cool. They never in my life. We had 2:05:21.920 --> 2:05:22.520 doctor Fauci. 2:05:24.240 --> 2:05:24.360 Uh. 2:05:24.600 --> 2:05:30.240 We had to Chef Andreas on last week. We got 2:05:30.320 --> 2:05:33.320 Salid Field on next week, this week, next week, next week. 2:05:35.920 --> 2:05:39.720 You know we've had you guys, you guys, you should 2:05:39.720 --> 2:05:45.560 have on his Messiah Jerry unbelievable. Oh yeah, we had 2:05:45.600 --> 2:05:49.200 Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. We had Curby Smart on last week. 2:05:51.360 --> 2:05:51.480 Uh. 2:05:52.040 --> 2:05:53.680 I'm kind of thinking we've been doing it. But ben 2:05:54.280 --> 2:05:59.000 people to learn about somebody that you would never cross 2:05:59.080 --> 2:06:05.960 paths with. It's pretty interesting and that it was one 2:06:06.000 --> 2:06:09.240 of the best decisions. And just like you guys said 2:06:09.320 --> 2:06:11.800 to me, they'd be throwing names out there, we're gonna 2:06:11.800 --> 2:06:13.120 try to get this person. We're gonna try to and 2:06:13.200 --> 2:06:16.520 be like, yeah, that'll be cool. And uh so yeah, 2:06:16.680 --> 2:06:18.760 keep doing it and getting crazy people on there, like 2:06:19.320 --> 2:06:21.240 there's people you was like, I ain't no way in 2:06:21.280 --> 2:06:23.040 the hell I thought I'd be sitting in the room 2:06:23.240 --> 2:06:27.400 with you getting to ask you questions. And it's pretty special, man, 2:06:27.440 --> 2:06:28.200 Thanks for having me. 2:06:28.280 --> 2:06:30.760 But also even you know, having you when something we 2:06:30.800 --> 2:06:32.400 looked up to our whole life, get to have an 2:06:32.480 --> 2:06:35.280 in depth conversation with you. Normally it's superficial or surface 2:06:35.320 --> 2:06:36.600 because we don't have that kind of time. But for 2:06:36.680 --> 2:06:38.000 you to sit down and really chap in. 2:06:38.280 --> 2:06:47.440 Two hours because I don't do these because I got 2:06:47.480 --> 2:06:49.240 a lot of love and respect for both of y'all. 2:06:49.440 --> 2:06:51.800 The only reason I'm doing it because I don't do 2:06:51.960 --> 2:06:56.360 sit downs. Because number one, I'm like, fuck, I need 2:06:56.440 --> 2:06:58.400 you to watch me. I don't want to give all 2:06:58.480 --> 2:07:01.440 my ship away, at all my ship away. I want 2:07:01.480 --> 2:07:03.560 you to watch me. He mopucker pay me to get 2:07:03.600 --> 2:07:06.760 people to watch and if I go on TV, everybody 2:07:06.880 --> 2:07:09.120 show Yeah, I said no, I said, but I said, 2:07:09.280 --> 2:07:11.320 oh yeah, let's make it work. And I'm glad because 2:07:12.040 --> 2:07:13.800 when we when we when you first hit me, I 2:07:13.920 --> 2:07:17.960 was like, fuck, I'm shooting commercials and I said, okay, 2:07:18.920 --> 2:07:21.480 I'm so glad y'all were able to stay because I 2:07:21.560 --> 2:07:24.040 was like, Man, I because you know, you know, when 2:07:24.040 --> 2:07:25.600 you shoot a commercial, you show up like seven in 2:07:25.640 --> 2:07:27.520 the morning, get out of there like nine at night. 2:07:27.920 --> 2:07:30.320 God said, Chuck, we make any day work, you just and. 2:07:30.440 --> 2:07:35.520 I said, hey, let's make it work. So thank you, brother, man, 2:07:35.560 --> 2:07:38.200 appreciate it. He We got some for you. And Man, 2:07:38.240 --> 2:07:41.560 I like free ship and I know you like gear. 2:07:41.880 --> 2:07:43.880 Yeah, and you can get that all the smoke gear 2:07:43.960 --> 2:07:45.960 at All the Smoke Store if you would like to 2:07:46.040 --> 2:07:46.960 be fresh like the O G. 2:07:47.200 --> 2:07:50.440 Chuck All the Smoke Store. Man, Chuck. 2:07:50.480 --> 2:07:53.480 We again, we appreciate you, man. We appreciate the path 2:07:53.600 --> 2:07:55.840 you've you've opened up for a lot of us. Again, 2:07:55.960 --> 2:07:58.240 you know, you fell on it upon the women. You've 2:07:58.360 --> 2:08:00.880 mastered it and you continue to get better. And we 2:08:00.960 --> 2:08:02.600 look up to people like you and look up to 2:08:02.640 --> 2:08:04.800 you in particular, and we appreciate everything you've done for 2:08:04.840 --> 2:08:06.600 the game, everything you've done post career. 2:08:06.720 --> 2:08:10.320 So thank you very much for that. Oh you oh 2:08:10.680 --> 2:08:13.560 ohe it the games giving me everything. Yeah, I want 2:08:13.600 --> 2:08:16.160 to share it. Yeah, thank you. That's a rap. Charles 2:08:16.240 --> 2:08:17.400 Barkley All the Smoke. 2:08:17.440 --> 2:08:19.520 You can catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the 2:08:19.600 --> 2:08:22.320 iHeart platform black effects. This one's probably gonna come on 2:08:22.400 --> 2:08:23.880 linear TV, though, so you're gonna be able to catch 2:08:23.920 --> 2:08:26.320 this one on showtime. So we'll see y'all next week. 2:08:26.880 --> 2:08:27.160 Peace,