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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke, Atlanta Day two.
Speaker 3: Day two.
Speaker 1: Yesterday was a good day, man, man. We always killing
Speaker 1: them left and then we finished it off at your house,
Speaker 1: laughing and joking yep. And then man, today special we
Speaker 1: finally got a chance to finish the inside the NBA
Speaker 1: roster off. Yes, yes, and it's only right man. We
Speaker 1: finished with the one and only Charles Barkley.
Speaker 3: Hey man, thank you a man, some one. I just
Speaker 3: want to say, I'm proud of you guys. Mab I'm
Speaker 3: proud of you your success. I mean, not the NBA
Speaker 3: because that's that's just talent. But you have to find
Speaker 3: a way to figure out, like how am I gonna
Speaker 3: make money the rest of my life? So I'm proud
Speaker 3: of y'all. Man, keep doing y'all things, and thanks for
Speaker 3: having me. Thanks paving the way. Y'all had a big
Speaker 3: ass check in here. Yeah, we had to check it.
Speaker 4: Have him at a sports ball because you know, he
Speaker 4: wanted to eat while we did the interview.
Speaker 3: Hey man, is he the biggest fifty year old kid?
Speaker 2: Kid?
Speaker 3: After Civilization?
Speaker 1: I played with Shaq on the saying he was walking
Speaker 1: around naked, tackling trainers, naked, fucking with like Shaq was
Speaker 1: a menace. But as soon as the ball went up,
Speaker 1: it all switched.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: We can be walking around the studio mind our own business.
Speaker 3: That big motherfucker just talk reason and he's not little neither.
Speaker 3: He's huge, he's the biggest human being in the world,
Speaker 3: in the world, in the world. But he got a
Speaker 3: pure heart. Man Greg got a great relationship with a Chuck.
Speaker 4: I'm in court for a traffic ticket and I had
Speaker 4: something else in my car and I'm standing there thinking,
Speaker 4: don't know what's about to happen. The judge like standing
Speaker 4: mister Jackson. He's like, you've me a second, Like, you
Speaker 4: know this guy is Shock on FaceTime.
Speaker 3: They dropped all my art.
Speaker 1: Talking to the judge.
Speaker 4: Yes, the judge just said holdo. As soon as I
Speaker 4: sat down, He's like, stand up for a second. Didn't
Speaker 4: even say nothing to me. Called Shaq. He's like, you
Speaker 4: know this guy is Shaq making a face on face
Speaker 4: time and they dropped all my charger.
Speaker 3: You know, Shock. It's the most random dude. Like one
Speaker 3: day we sit in the studio, he's like, Yo, say hello.
Speaker 3: I'm like, who say hello? It's doctor Phil Shock. He
Speaker 3: FaceTime in doctor Phild and then like uh, one time
Speaker 3: he's like, my man Run who's like the animal expert,
Speaker 3: Like he said hey, say hello, and I'm like, who
Speaker 3: is it? This time it's Run the expert from down
Speaker 3: in Florida. I mean he is so funny, Like, dude,
Speaker 3: how the hell you facetimeing doctor Phil all over the place? Man?
Speaker 1: Speaking of Shaq being a big human.
Speaker 3: You look good.
Speaker 1: We just noticed you said, yeah, you finally got your
Speaker 1: two hips for place. You down about fifty pounds. Talk
Speaker 1: to us about that.
Speaker 3: Man, you know what it's getting weird. I'll be sixty,
Speaker 3: which is crazy this year like ship next month, like
Speaker 3: a month, not next year that this year, like in
Speaker 3: a month. You know. I was talking to doctor Jay
Speaker 3: recently and he's like, yeah, when I got to the NBA,
Speaker 3: him and Moses with like thirty five, we call him
Speaker 3: gramps at thirty five. Now, I'm like, you know, me
Speaker 3: and my boys are like yeah, man, you know we're
Speaker 3: gonna be sixty like in a month. We got to
Speaker 3: do something that's a blessing. So but my doctor told me, man,
Speaker 3: especially you know, being Black, we don't take good care
Speaker 3: of ourselves when it you know, want of obesity and
Speaker 3: diabetes and things like that. It's rampant in our communities.
Speaker 3: And I had gotten really fat, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: I'd gained. I'd just gotten out of shape just for
Speaker 3: being lazy, first and foremost, because I was in pain
Speaker 3: all the time. I'm like, I'm tired of working out.
Speaker 3: So I worked out my whole life and I just
Speaker 3: got tired. Then my hips got bad, and my doctor
Speaker 3: he said, I'm gonna give you new hips. He said,
Speaker 3: but you gotta lose weight. Man, he said, I see
Speaker 3: a lot of fat young people. I don't see no
Speaker 3: fat old people. He told me to get my ass
Speaker 3: in shape. So in the last few months, I'm down
Speaker 3: about right at fifty, but I got I gained like
Speaker 3: ninety two. You know, you can't do anything when you
Speaker 3: get those hips. So my goal in the next year.
Speaker 3: So realistically, I played it two fifty. I can't get there.
Speaker 3: So I was up three fifty. So my goal is
Speaker 3: to get to to seventy and two seventy. You don't
Speaker 3: drop dead, hopefully being twenty pounds overweight, but I don't.
Speaker 3: You can drop dead and get diabetes and high if
Speaker 3: you're like sixty seventy eighty pounds overweight. So right now
Speaker 3: I feel great. I'm down fifty. My goal is to
Speaker 3: get to about two seventy.
Speaker 1: Hey, and get back to change your diet or you
Speaker 1: got to change your diet.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying like tough. Well, you know it's crazy.
Speaker 3: What's really weird? I only eat rice, corn and potatoes,
Speaker 3: and clearly everybody tries to tell me those the starchest,
Speaker 3: which I don't know what the hell that means. Like,
Speaker 3: so I'm trying to eat Brussels sprouts. It's only two
Speaker 3: vegetables I really can stomach, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: at Brussels sprouts because you can put like a little
Speaker 3: turkey bacon in them and roasted Coulie flyer, you know.
Speaker 3: So you know, I like, like, okra, I'm not eating
Speaker 3: that shit avocado, but things like that. So, but like
Speaker 3: I said, you got to eat because you can't at
Speaker 3: our age. You guys a lot younger than me. I
Speaker 3: can't work out enough to eat bad. I mean like
Speaker 3: when I was in my prime, I told people my
Speaker 3: pregame meal. I got two fish fil as, a large
Speaker 3: fry and a die Coke. That was my pregame.
Speaker 1: You fished off with the diet coke.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to diet coke. I was like, let
Speaker 3: me watch this down with a die But was it
Speaker 3: was crazy the ship you could eat when you like anything.
Speaker 3: It was like after practice, you're driving home, I'm like man,
Speaker 3: let me pick up me two fish fil as, a
Speaker 3: large frytch that thing down with that big died coke.
Speaker 3: Take my pregame, AP, I'm good to go. Right now.
Speaker 3: You pass McDonald's, you gain weight. You don't even look
Speaker 3: at it. That's right, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Man recently signed a ten year mega extension with tn
Speaker 1: t F and graduations. Talk to us about that procescuse
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was true rumors that the
Speaker 1: Live Golf were trying to recruit you.
Speaker 3: And I had no problem with Live. I told my
Speaker 3: boys because some of those guys my friends. They asked
Speaker 3: me my I paid on Live. I said, yo, man,
Speaker 3: we're not the Morrow police. The United States do business
Speaker 3: with China, the NBA do business with China, Saudi Arabia
Speaker 3: and everything like that. Don't fall for the selective outrage.
Speaker 3: And I said, go take that money. You got to
Speaker 3: take care of your family. I ain't gonna say, hey,
Speaker 3: don't take money from here here, I said, because the
Speaker 3: people actually knew where all their money came from, nobody
Speaker 3: would be working. Thanks. Yeah, fact, that's facts. And I said,
Speaker 3: so TNT called me in because my magic number was
Speaker 3: sixty right around there, you know, I've been so lucky
Speaker 3: and blessed. I played in the NBA for sixteen years,
Speaker 3: been on television for twenty two going on twenty three. Paid. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying, if I don't have enough money by now,
Speaker 3: I'm the biggest fucking I'm the biggest eating in the world.
Speaker 3: If I ain't got enough cash by now, I said, guys,
Speaker 3: I'm winding down because one thing I'm very realistic about.
Speaker 3: When I'm around old NBA players, I know my shit
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be working later, but I don't care. I've
Speaker 3: I got the privilege to be Charles Barkley and the
Speaker 3: greatest life ever. But whatever happens down the line, because
Speaker 3: for my body being worn down, beat up, it's all good.
Speaker 3: I got to be at my mama house, my grandmother house.
Speaker 3: I got to send my nieces to college. I've lived
Speaker 3: a great life and I know my body. Whatever happened
Speaker 3: down the line happens. It is so I want to
Speaker 3: be able to travel the world enjoy life for the
Speaker 3: next few years before it all kicks in. Oh shit,
Speaker 3: I could drop dead next week. It is what it is.
Speaker 3: I ain't upset about that I've lived sixty years a
Speaker 3: great life. So I say, hey, I want to wind down,
Speaker 3: and they said to me, listen, this is the deal.
Speaker 3: We need you. And I love T and T. They've
Speaker 3: been great to me. They says, we're gonna have to
Speaker 3: bid on the NBA again. You know, we're paying like
Speaker 3: two point five billion a year. That number is gonna
Speaker 3: be close to probably four billion in a couple of years.
Speaker 3: And they said, we need you to stay on if
Speaker 3: we're gonna bid that type of money. And I said, well,
Speaker 3: I really want to wind down. They're like, well, we
Speaker 3: need you to stay at least X amount of years,
Speaker 3: three or four or five somewhere in there. But we
Speaker 3: just want to make sure if you still want to
Speaker 3: keep working, we want to sign for ten years. I said,
Speaker 3: there's no chance I'm gonna fucking be here in ten years.
Speaker 3: I'm fucking seventy years old. And I said, I will
Speaker 3: stay through the transition if y'all bid on the NBA.
Speaker 3: And I said, cause you guys have been great to me,
Speaker 3: So I signed for ten years. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: zero chance I'm gonna make it for ten years, but
Speaker 3: those negotiations are going to start in the next year.
Speaker 3: And like I said, it's probably gonna be the thing
Speaker 3: that scares them and they're worried about You know, you
Speaker 3: saw what the NFL. Amazon came in, Yeah, and bought
Speaker 3: the NFL. I think the NBA is gonna listen to Apple.
Speaker 3: It's gonna want sports now apparently and Amazon. So that
Speaker 3: number could be way more than three or four billion
Speaker 3: dollars because Apple and Amazon got all that cash. So
Speaker 3: the next three years are going to be very interested
Speaker 3: in the sports world. But I told them, hey, you
Speaker 3: guys been great to me. I don't want to hang
Speaker 3: you out to drive. If y'all gonna bid on the NBA,
Speaker 3: I'll stay through the transition. I was happy to sign
Speaker 3: a deal because they were great. But man, you know,
Speaker 3: I've been so lucky. I want to thank Dick ever
Speaker 3: saw my mentor who mentioned television to me, because you
Speaker 3: guys in the same boat as me, and man, when
Speaker 3: this shit over, you're like, I ain't got no job.
Speaker 3: What I'm gonna do, what I'm gonna do. And I
Speaker 3: tell brothers this, especially brothers. Yo, Man, you gotta find
Speaker 3: something to do because you're still young. You ain't gonna
Speaker 3: have no income coming in, and you got to find
Speaker 3: a way to keep making money. That's why I told
Speaker 3: you the beginning. I'm proud of y'all for doing y'all thing,
Speaker 3: because man, I call it an owl, the our syndrome,
Speaker 3: because I get guys who call me They're like, yo, man,
Speaker 3: I need some shoes. I'm like, dude, you blah blah,
Speaker 3: get some shoes. You're like, yeo, man, I'm an hour now.
Speaker 3: You know. You know, people are like Stephen Hoo's like,
Speaker 3: when you call it, try to get tickets and shoes
Speaker 3: and things like, you can come an hour. I call
Speaker 3: it and I said, oh, you're out now. I said, yep,
Speaker 3: I don't get no free stuff anymore. But so you
Speaker 3: got to find a way to stay in the game.
Speaker 3: And I was so lucky because of Dick Episol to
Speaker 3: go right into television. But man, you got that's why
Speaker 3: you got to start. Number one. You got to save
Speaker 3: your money. You got to plan for the future, and
Speaker 3: you got to figure out what you want to do
Speaker 3: because you got to find something to do because twenty
Speaker 3: four to seven but nothing to do is dangerous. How
Speaker 3: long you been at tennant twenty two, I'm going on
Speaker 3: twenty three now, so them ten years gonna fly. By
Speaker 3: them twenty two years, flu by it them ten years,
Speaker 3: gonna fly, They're gonna fly Bay, you know. But jact,
Speaker 3: my thing is, man, I want to travel the world
Speaker 3: and enjoy my life before I you know. So now,
Speaker 3: the stuff that we do to our bodies ain't normal.
Speaker 3: And I don't call names. But when I go see
Speaker 3: some of the old all time grades and see the
Speaker 3: shape they're in, Like playing sports, it ain't it's the
Speaker 3: greatest job in the world, but it staying for your body,
Speaker 3: it gets your ass, It gets you.
Speaker 1: Did you see I mean, obviously the transition you may
Speaker 1: look seamless and fun, but did you see yourself? I mean,
Speaker 1: like you said, you're going on your twenty three of
Speaker 1: talking about basketball.
Speaker 3: No, I had no idea. So when Dick ever saw
Speaker 3: called me one day, he says, Charles, you want to
Speaker 3: get together for dinner? I said, of course. So you guys,
Speaker 3: y'all probably remember the NBA started on NBC. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: tell people all the time, it's so funny being all
Speaker 3: these motherfuckers think there's always been everybody had a cell phone.
Speaker 3: They think, like I'm so old. That was no ESPN
Speaker 3: when we started. We flew commercial. My first three or
Speaker 3: four years in the NBA, we flew commercial. Wow. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's how crazy, that's how that's how long ago it was.
Speaker 3: And Dick Ebersol said to me, what do you think
Speaker 3: about going on television? I says, I don't know what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do. I said, obviously I got to play
Speaker 3: a couple more years, but I don't know. But he says,
Speaker 3: I think you'll be good on TV. He said, I
Speaker 3: think I think you'll be great on TV. He said,
Speaker 3: you're always gonna be in trouble, Like, what does that mean?
Speaker 3: He says, clearly, somewhere along the way you made up
Speaker 3: your mind you're always just gonna be honest and deal
Speaker 3: with the ramifications. I said, well, that was actually interesting
Speaker 3: because when I first started becoming a star, I think
Speaker 3: I was my third at the end of my second year,
Speaker 3: of my third year in the NBA. Because my first
Speaker 3: few years in the NBA, nobody talked to me. It
Speaker 3: was Doc Moses, Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Tony, Bobby Jones. I
Speaker 3: was the rookie. Monthy didn't even mention me, didn't come
Speaker 3: to me. So when those guys started getting older, and
Speaker 3: then at the end of my second year, I started
Speaker 3: having success. My third year, I think I made the
Speaker 3: All Star team and it was a so they started
Speaker 3: coming to me, and I really wanted everybody to like me.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, you know, I was trying
Speaker 3: to answer every question politically correct and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And I pulled Doctor jlside one day. I said, Doc,
Speaker 3: I'm having a hard time. He says, yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: very Him and Moses probably were the two great influences
Speaker 3: for me, talking about like Moses got me in shape.
Speaker 3: But Doc Ta says, now this is a very slippery
Speaker 3: slope trying to answer every question and not make him
Speaker 3: or him or her make it, not making them mad,
Speaker 3: and he says it's impossible to do that. He says,
Speaker 3: so you're gonna have to figure out how you want
Speaker 3: to handle this. He said, you can try to make
Speaker 3: everybody happy, or you can be honest, but would honesty
Speaker 3: come and repercussions? And I tried to do it the
Speaker 3: politically rate in the beginning, and I'm like, I'm still
Speaker 3: getting shipped from other people, and I'm like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to be honest. He says, now they're gonna be coming
Speaker 3: for you. You better be great. At basketball. But you
Speaker 3: can get away with saying what you want to if
Speaker 3: you're greate a basketball. If you suck at basketball and
Speaker 3: you honest, they're gonna come get your ass. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: I better be great a basketball. So when I was
Speaker 3: sitting with mister Eversall at that meeting, he says, you
Speaker 3: what happened to make you be honest? He said, I
Speaker 3: tried pleasing everybody, and I realized I couldn't. You guys
Speaker 3: know it's impossible mad about something. Yeah, So I said,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be honest and straightforward. And people get mad.
Speaker 3: Fuck them, they get mad. And I made that decision
Speaker 3: to just be a straight shooter. And he says, you're
Speaker 3: gonna be great, but you're always gonna be in trouble
Speaker 3: because people gonna get mad at what you say. And
Speaker 3: that was kind of the turning point in this whole thing.
Speaker 3: And like I say, people get mad, and I've lost
Speaker 3: friends and you know, people get mad. But I can
Speaker 3: say this, I've never said anything on television personally about
Speaker 3: a person. I look at the situation. I try to
Speaker 3: be honest, I try to be fair. I've criticized the
Speaker 3: good ones. I've criticized the great ones, I criticized the
Speaker 3: bad one, but I actually feel say I can also
Speaker 3: say I think I've been very fair, especially as a player.
Speaker 3: Even when I have to criticize the player, I try
Speaker 3: to be fair about him.
Speaker 1: That's really a kind of a common theme in the
Speaker 1: media right now. Obviously former players transitioning, but then they're
Speaker 1: almost being a disconnect between former players and current players
Speaker 1: based off what former players are saying. What is that
Speaker 1: sensitive players is that sometimes you guys feel like, because
Speaker 1: you guys are great, that you can talk and Shack
Speaker 1: calls a G fourteen classic white conversation, like, how do
Speaker 1: you feel that is right now?
Speaker 3: Well, number one, that's a great question. Today's players hate
Speaker 3: anybody will say and think bad about them. But the
Speaker 3: first advice that I left out of that storriitated about
Speaker 3: doctor j The first thing he said to me because
Speaker 3: I was pissed at some guys that says some things
Speaker 3: about me. He says, young fella, take a step back,
Speaker 3: he said. The first question is it true? I said
Speaker 3: what he says. When somebody says something about you, even
Speaker 3: if it's negative, it can be true. Right. It's might
Speaker 3: want to hear it yeah, he said. Yeah, he says,
Speaker 3: don't get mad every time somebody says something like First
Speaker 3: of all, they're doing their job. That's the media's job.
Speaker 3: There's some guys I hate number one who everybody know.
Speaker 3: I hate Skip Basis because I think he deliberately When
Speaker 3: you're on television, it's a very powerful thing. People in Idaho, Nebraska,
Speaker 3: South Dakota, Maine, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, they're like, well, this
Speaker 3: guy said it on television. I believe it. It must
Speaker 3: be true. So I'm very careful. I never talk about
Speaker 3: people's personal life, you know. And we've had some conversations
Speaker 3: about people's sexuality. I said, I don't come in on
Speaker 3: people's sexuality. I got plenty of gay friends, I got
Speaker 3: plenty of transgender friends. That's off limits. And I'm never
Speaker 3: going to answer no questions like that. But I said,
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna get in their personal business. That's not
Speaker 3: our business. But I'm my criticism or if I said
Speaker 3: some positives, is gonna be one h percent on basketball.
Speaker 3: But there's guys I watch on television. I said, oh,
Speaker 3: he don't like that guy. You could tell that. Yes,
Speaker 3: I said, that ain't right. Your personal opinion should never matter,
Speaker 3: should never matter. And he said to me, when somebody
Speaker 3: said something about you as a player, the first question
Speaker 3: is is it true. And these guys today, if they
Speaker 3: hear something negative about them, they just gonna react. And
Speaker 3: I don't get mad. But I never go back into
Speaker 3: him either, because the way these lightweight media people like,
Speaker 3: they love when y'all go back to you see what
Speaker 3: Charles said about this guy. You see what he said.
Speaker 3: Back to Charles. You see what Charles said there. I said, oh, man,
Speaker 3: don't get those lightweights no ammunition. That's the only talent
Speaker 3: they have. That's the only talent they have. And then
Speaker 3: and Jack, you know what's fun about it. They ain't
Speaker 3: never touched the ball in it, never touched the ball
Speaker 3: of their life.
Speaker 1: You and KD kind of have an interesting back and
Speaker 1: forth when you guys see each other in portion.
Speaker 3: Is it How is that situation or relationship or is
Speaker 3: there one? He's always been cordial to me. I'm always
Speaker 3: gonna be cordial to him. He's taking some shots to
Speaker 3: me and I've taken he se Kat doesn't get okay.
Speaker 3: So what I said was I said, KT is a great,
Speaker 3: great player. He is a great, great player. He's sensitive,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent sensitive. But what I said, and I
Speaker 3: stick by. I said, KT is a great, great player,
Speaker 3: but he's gonna have to win a championship with Doctor
Speaker 3: Warriors to get the Old Heads respect. And I said,
Speaker 3: and I used the analogy. I said, Kobe Bryant, one
Speaker 3: of the greatest ever, said I had to win a
Speaker 3: championship without that. Lebron says, I had to win a
Speaker 3: championship without Dwayne and Chris. The rules are already there.
Speaker 3: Just because you don't want to follow the rules, you
Speaker 3: can get mad and call me names. I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: tell you the way, me and the Old Heads and
Speaker 3: we talked about it, was like, hey, KT's a great
Speaker 3: he's an really great player, but he gonna have to
Speaker 3: win a championship before we put him up here with
Speaker 3: these guys. And I said, I said, Kobe Bryant has
Speaker 3: said that. He said, hey, I had to win a
Speaker 3: championship without Shock.
Speaker 4: It's just I mean, it's just just simple. KKD won
Speaker 4: a championship on his own. People just gonna look at
Speaker 4: him different.
Speaker 3: And I said, and he can get mad. He called
Speaker 3: me names and things. I said, Hey, Canty, I said,
Speaker 3: and Lebron as much as I love Lebron, I said, Yo, man,
Speaker 3: we ain't gonna give your flowers until you win one
Speaker 3: without Dwayne. I said, you joined them and y'all won,
Speaker 3: and he said he says I had to win one
Speaker 3: without Dwayne. I was like, yeah, those are the rules,
Speaker 3: and you can get mad when guys said like, but
Speaker 3: those are the rules. It's like, it's like my rules. Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm in the Hall of Fame, but I'm in a
Speaker 3: different wing than the guys who won the championship. I
Speaker 3: mean fame. I no idea, but I'm saying, though, Jack, hey,
Speaker 3: I understand. I understand the rules, Like Charles are great,
Speaker 3: call Malong's great, practice UN's great. They're not at the
Speaker 3: table with Magic Bird, Lebron Kobe. It's levels to this shit.
Speaker 3: And I ain't mad at that. I understand that. Now
Speaker 3: if I could have won a championship, I can go
Speaker 3: over across the room. But the rules are the rules.
Speaker 3: We don't we we have to play by the rules.
Speaker 3: And this ain't gotten nohe with motherfucker's on TV who
Speaker 3: get paid to talk shit. We talked about players. We're
Speaker 3: talking about players. We understand, like, yeah, hey, I'm not
Speaker 3: at the table with Bird. Imagine those guys. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 3: am I a great player? Yes I am. I understand that,
Speaker 3: But there are levels and there's tables to this thing.
Speaker 3: Steph went up last year, yep, like he was already
Speaker 3: in the room. He got to come over like Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 3: He like, yeah, okay, Steph, come on over now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: come on over now. I said, like, okay, because Ai,
Speaker 3: Isaiah John Stock and those are probably three best little
Speaker 3: guys ever to play the game. And Steph was an
Speaker 3: all time guy. But now he gets to move over
Speaker 3: like in the Isaiah category. Yes, yes, yeah, so man.
Speaker 3: But and I tell him, I said, but I don't
Speaker 3: mind these guys like I. But is he the only
Speaker 3: thing I hate about? To be honest with you, the
Speaker 3: motherfuckers special KD Kobe guys like that. I did all
Speaker 3: time great. But the only time I've ever gotten mad
Speaker 3: at those two guys because me and Kobe had to
Speaker 3: stay one night. Remember that game where he wouldn't shoot.
Speaker 3: We had that game that night. I remember seeing that
Speaker 3: and Kobe starts texting me calling me motherfucker, asshole, a
Speaker 3: bit jack. It was one of the funniest things ever.
Speaker 3: So we got that game, and I see, yo, man,
Speaker 3: as much as I love Kobe Brown, when he did
Speaker 3: tonight was total bs. He wouldn't shoot each other. I
Speaker 3: think he took one shot in the second half and
Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't like that. Ernest said, what
Speaker 3: do you mean? He was trying to prove a point.
Speaker 3: They were getting their ass kicked. He don't have a
Speaker 3: lot of help, I said, but that's what separates him
Speaker 3: from Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan were like when he played
Speaker 3: against her, help He's like, now I'm gonna get sixty.
Speaker 3: Kobe was trying to prove a point. I didn't have
Speaker 3: no help. So he starts texting me after the game.
Speaker 3: So you know, we get off around one to two
Speaker 3: in the morning. He texted me like twenty five times,
Speaker 3: called me every name in the book, and I'm texting
Speaker 3: it back. Yo man, pick up the phone and call me.
Speaker 3: No fuck you, fuck you, motherfucker. Fuck you, but just
Speaker 3: bullshit what you said? We go ba. I mean. He
Speaker 3: called me like and this goes on for like two
Speaker 3: three hours, and I said, Yo man, I'm tired. I'm
Speaker 3: going to bed. Fuck you motherfucker. Go to bed, and
Speaker 3: it ss. He texted me probably twenty times, and it
Speaker 3: was just motherfucker, motherfucker, motherfucker. And he said, we see
Speaker 3: each other like months, ladies. Man, I'm sorry, I said, man,
Speaker 3: you know what, it's all good. You allowed to vent.
Speaker 3: We hug each other. That's basically what he was doing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then we hugged each other and we were always cool.
Speaker 3: But it's never personal. I just didn't like what he
Speaker 3: did that night. But the point I was going to
Speaker 3: make is these guys, like when I said I had
Speaker 3: been saying for three years that dude is the best
Speaker 3: basketball player in the world. He never called me and
Speaker 3: said thank you. These guys, I said nine great things
Speaker 3: about the one, not one like Charles, thank you for
Speaker 3: the kind words. Hey, I never get that text. You know,
Speaker 3: KT played like ship tonight, Hey fuck you Charles Barkley.
Speaker 3: I'm getting that on Twitter and things like that. So
Speaker 3: that's the only time I get mad. I get mad.
Speaker 3: Then I laughed. They never called me and said, hey man,
Speaker 3: thank you kind word. But if I say one bad day,
Speaker 3: I said nine great things one they go and that's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the time. That's the only time I get mad.
Speaker 3: Why don't you have a text me saying great. What
Speaker 3: I'm saying, how great you are? Right? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Question you mentioned Skip Baylis obviously recently with the unfortunate
Speaker 1: situation that have went tomar Hamlin on the bills, he
Speaker 1: just had an untimely tweet and I think he thought
Speaker 1: that he could say some bullshit and then say something
Speaker 1: kind of you know, meaningful at the end and we
Speaker 1: wouldn't see through the bullshit that was brought to attention.
Speaker 1: But then also the way he's just kind of been
Speaker 1: disrespecting his co host and you have to see Shannon
Speaker 1: kind of take it to the breath every once in
Speaker 1: a while. What is just your take on what he
Speaker 1: is doing and just how disrespectful I feel like he
Speaker 1: is to players, And now his co host is.
Speaker 3: Open, So I really I don't like the guy. Because
Speaker 3: television a very powerful weapon, right, very powerful. One of
Speaker 3: my mentors is Mike Wilboden. He's one by it. I admire,
Speaker 3: really respect and because he did my last three books
Speaker 3: and he's become like a big brother, father figure. But
Speaker 3: he said something very interesting to me, and I already
Speaker 3: knew it. He says, man being on television is crazy.
Speaker 3: I said, what do you mean? He says, I've been
Speaker 3: into Washington Post for twenty five years. Did it all?
Speaker 3: Nobody in the world knew who I was. I go
Speaker 3: on TV for a year. I can't go nowhere without
Speaker 3: people running up on me. And I said, man, TV
Speaker 3: is amazing, Like it's such like everybody know who's on television,
Speaker 3: especially if you're successful, you're on television a lot. It
Speaker 3: is really a big like everybody watched television and skip
Speaker 3: to me when these guys are real people. And I
Speaker 3: don't mind you criticizing guys. It can never be personal, right,
Speaker 3: And one thing I hate about the media. You can
Speaker 3: tell guys they like and dislike. You can't talk about
Speaker 3: people on television like that. He had to be fair
Speaker 3: and honest with people, and I think he is. You
Speaker 3: can tell who he likes, you can tell who he
Speaker 3: dislikes because he makes it personal. Like you can't say
Speaker 3: bad stuff about Lebron James.
Speaker 4: But everything out your mouth can't be bad. Yes, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. It's impossible. It's impossible. It's impossible.
Speaker 4: And I've said this before.
Speaker 3: I think Lebron James is the greatest sports story of
Speaker 3: all time. You know, you look at Kobe, Kevin Garnett,
Speaker 3: Tracy McGrady. I think those probably three of the greatest
Speaker 3: straight to high school players. Yes, Dwight, yeah he's great,
Speaker 3: but they all struggled in the beginning. He's been in
Speaker 3: his prime since they one day one. That's why I
Speaker 3: said for him to come into the NBA at eighteen
Speaker 3: years old. He was really good. We had this game
Speaker 3: I think on tn TM, Yes, he played really good.
Speaker 3: But in this generation with social media, he's never gotten
Speaker 3: in trouble. He's lived up to all the hype, brought
Speaker 3: his boys along. Yes, I think it's probably the greatest
Speaker 3: story in sports history. Agree, Like, I'm like to beat
Speaker 3: the number one, be as good from eighteen and never
Speaker 3: really get in trouble in this society where people are
Speaker 3: out to get you phones everywhere everywhere. I think it's
Speaker 3: probably the greatest sports story of all time. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just amazing what he's accomplished, what he's did and
Speaker 3: never gotten in trouble. But to skips disrespect toward him,
Speaker 3: I do not like it the way he's treating Shannon. Clearly, Hey,
Speaker 3: Tom Brady is to go, we get that, get it.
Speaker 3: You don't have to like your manah right, like that
Speaker 3: But first of all, this dude in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 3: he won three Super Bowls night chop Liver. He ain't
Speaker 3: chop Liver, but he is. He's been rewarded so much
Speaker 3: for doing that. Yeah, the way he has made his
Speaker 3: money and made his living, I have a problem with it, because, man,
Speaker 3: if you make it to the pros, you a hell
Speaker 3: of a player. Period. I tell people, hey, is everybody
Speaker 3: Lebron or kd No, But that number twelve guy on
Speaker 3: the NBA team, his journey is amazing. If you get
Speaker 3: to be one of the best four hundred basketball players
Speaker 3: in the world.
Speaker 1: And less than five thousand to ever even play in
Speaker 1: the Yes, And man.
Speaker 3: I love these guys. That's a little stupid ball. It's
Speaker 3: given me every single thing in my life. I ain't
Speaker 3: never had no real job and don't want one, don't
Speaker 3: I admire these dudes who go men and women who
Speaker 3: work nine to five and they're doing it for twenty
Speaker 3: seven thousand dollars a year with a smile on. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, I admire you, But I don't want
Speaker 3: that shit. I want to driple that little stupid ass
Speaker 3: ball up and down the court. I want to stay
Speaker 3: in the four Seasons in the Risk card, I want
Speaker 3: to travel the country. I tell these guys, man, we're
Speaker 3: the luckiest dudes in the world far. Whenever I get
Speaker 3: ready to kill over, I just want to be able
Speaker 3: to say thank you, big fella. I can't believe this.
Speaker 3: I like, man, because of that little stupid ass ball,
Speaker 3: I don't seen the world. I remember one time I
Speaker 3: was sitting at the White House with President Obama because
Speaker 3: I'm my hometown only got a couple thousand people. I'm
Speaker 3: from Leeds, Alabama. Shout out to Leeds a couple thousand people,
Speaker 3: and growing up in the projects, I'm thinking, like, I
Speaker 3: ain't even thinking about sports. I only started playing basketball
Speaker 3: because I want to go to college for free. Never
Speaker 3: thought I was gonna make it to the NBA. And
Speaker 3: I was like sometimes when I go home and visit,
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I grew up in that project
Speaker 3: right over there, and I'm like, because of that little
Speaker 3: stupid ass ball, I'm like, I can't believe. Sixty years
Speaker 3: later and I was just sitting there looking at him,
Speaker 3: I'm like, Wow, this is crazy. A little kid from Leed's,
Speaker 3: Alabama's in the White House and I got one of
Speaker 3: my most prized possessions. I was laughing. He said, Chuck,
Speaker 3: you've been in the Oval Office. I said, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: we go there all the time. I said, mister President,
Speaker 3: hell no, I ain't never been to the office. And
Speaker 3: there's a picture. He says, let me show you the
Speaker 3: Oval office. And you know, he always with a photographer.
Speaker 3: And I didn't even notice the photographer. To be honest
Speaker 3: with you. A month later, it's a picture got on
Speaker 3: my wall. Cherish it. It's me and him standing in
Speaker 3: the Oval Office. And I can say I didn't even
Speaker 3: notice that the photographer. He ain't up his ass. He's
Speaker 3: like standing back taking pictures with the president. And President
Speaker 3: Obama sent me this picture of me and him stad
Speaker 3: and I remember getting to text from all my friends
Speaker 3: telling me like, yo, man, we're so proud of you.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell are you talking about. They're like,
Speaker 3: you know, man, there's a picture on the internet that
Speaker 3: you and President Obama in the over Office. I said,
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it. And it came like a month
Speaker 3: or two later, and when I got the picture, I'm like, damn, man,
Speaker 3: this is so crazy and awesome. My little hometown seeing
Speaker 3: me in the over Office with the President of the
Speaker 3: United States, a black president of the United States, with
Speaker 3: all the recial bullshit that went on in Alabama. They're like,
Speaker 3: a black president you in the Oval office from a
Speaker 3: town a couple thousand people. It was amazing. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Since you're speaking on Leeds.
Speaker 4: How difficult was it growing up there, you know, doing
Speaker 4: the Jim Crow era and all that.
Speaker 3: Why he was trying to figure yourself out as a kid.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. We didn't even feel any of that,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, because it's so small. But
Speaker 3: now that I look back, Jack ship is crazy and
Speaker 3: you don't even know it because the kids, we don't know.
Speaker 3: That's like we didn't even know we were poor, Like
Speaker 3: we didn't even know we were poor. Because but the
Speaker 3: ship is crazy now that I think about it. Man,
Speaker 3: we had a black and a white homecoming queen. Really yeah, wow, seriously,
Speaker 3: and the ship is crazy. You're like, I guess they
Speaker 3: didn't want no drama. They didn't want no drama, you think.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, I don't. I can't prove it,
Speaker 3: but they're like, no, We're gonna have a black and
Speaker 3: a white homecoming queen. What's crazy? Like, dude, we're taping
Speaker 3: this here in Atlanta. It was a controversy, like in
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Well, the kids wanted to
Speaker 3: uh have a one prom and some of the parents like,
Speaker 3: hell no, I mean so so racism exists, always has,
Speaker 3: always will and you just have to deal with the
Speaker 3: BS as I call it. But like these kids like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we don't want this shit anymore. We're gonna have one problem,
Speaker 3: And some of the parents are like, no, we're not.
Speaker 3: And it was right here in Georgia. Stuck. They stuck
Speaker 3: in their ways. But so but I a couple of
Speaker 3: things about Leeds. It was a great place to grow up,
Speaker 3: even though all hell was breaking loose in Birmingham. We're
Speaker 3: about twenty to thirty minutes from Birmingham. You know, we
Speaker 3: had the church bombing in Birmingham. Sell Us right up
Speaker 3: the street, Montgomery's right up a couple hours away. My
Speaker 3: grandmother told me about it later, but we didn't know,
Speaker 3: I mean because we got the rabbit as on the TV.
Speaker 3: So you're not really getting world view right. But my grandmother,
Speaker 3: the greatest person ever in my life. She made me
Speaker 3: learn who Nelson Mandela was. She made me learn who
Speaker 3: doctor King was. She made me learn, make me learn
Speaker 3: who Mecca Evers is. She was such a great woman.
Speaker 3: But the one thing she always talked to me about
Speaker 3: was race. She says, Now, listen, judge people, she said,
Speaker 3: cause there are a lot of great white people out here.
Speaker 3: She says, you don't grow up believing it's us against them.
Speaker 3: She says, these white people who in my life, they're amazing.
Speaker 3: And that was really important, Like, because there are a
Speaker 3: lot of black people who are full of shit, who
Speaker 3: like they're not They're like they're black, but they're not
Speaker 3: helping our race, and there are a lot of white
Speaker 3: people out there who are helping our race. I actually
Speaker 3: learned what was really cool for me. There's a great
Speaker 3: civil rights hero named ct Vivian who passed away in
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. When I was doing my
Speaker 3: documentary on race Dead a few years ago, he says, now, y'ass,
Speaker 3: I want you to remember something. I know you're trying
Speaker 3: to bring the races together. I want you to know
Speaker 3: there's always been a lot of race people being racial together.
Speaker 3: I said, what do you mean, mister Bibby, And he says,
Speaker 3: you know, when we talk about civil rights, we talk
Speaker 3: about most majority of other black people, you know, doctor
Speaker 3: King and those guys like that. He said, I want
Speaker 3: you to let you know that there was a lot
Speaker 3: of great white people marching with us got killed and thinks,
Speaker 3: I said, mister Bibby, and I promise you, I'll make
Speaker 3: sure people know that. And that was really cool because
Speaker 3: our and our you know, you know, Jack, we get
Speaker 3: and I'm part of the business too. We're in the
Speaker 3: media business. Man, we get beat over the head so
Speaker 3: much on negativity because it's really crazy. The negativity sells thanks,
Speaker 3: you know. I was, me and Ernie were talking about
Speaker 3: me and Ernie have a podcast, and I was we
Speaker 3: were talking about Demor Hamlin and I said, man, I
Speaker 3: was so touched by I think they've up to about
Speaker 3: seven eight million dollars ten million. It's ten close to ten,
Speaker 3: I says, man, there's so many great people out here,
Speaker 3: But in our business, we don't talk about the great people.
Speaker 3: We tell like, hey, hey, get on TV and talk
Speaker 3: bad about your coach and other players. We'll put you
Speaker 3: on TV. But that's and unfortunately that's the world we
Speaker 3: live in in the media. Like Prince Harry, I don't
Speaker 3: know this dude, Like, yeah, trash, your brother trash, the King,
Speaker 3: prash trash everybody like, yeah, we're gonna put you on
Speaker 3: every TV show. And I don't know if he's telling
Speaker 3: the truth or not. I don't judge that that's his truth,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, yeah, if you're gonna talk bad about
Speaker 3: the future King of England, talk bad about your dad
Speaker 3: who's the king of England, talk bad about your stepmother, Like,
Speaker 3: we're gonna put you, We're gonna put you on TV,
Speaker 3: on every network. You can write a book. That's the
Speaker 3: world we live in now. Like I say, I don't
Speaker 3: know this dude, but we don't talk enough about positive
Speaker 3: and we just I'm like, yo, man, white people, black people,
Speaker 3: all types of people gave this dude close to ten
Speaker 3: million dollars that you say, and they don't know him,
Speaker 3: but that touched everybody, and I wish that we would.
Speaker 3: I wish positively sell more than negativity. I say this
Speaker 3: all the time, like two things.
Speaker 4: People will tell you, dang, you're giving you giving back somebody,
Speaker 4: but why you posting it? But then again, if I
Speaker 4: don't post it, you say, I ain't doing nothing for
Speaker 4: the community.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you know what I'm saying. It's like crazy,
Speaker 3: you posted, you're thirsty for it, but if you don't
Speaker 3: post it, you ain't doing them.
Speaker 4: But then again, it's like a lot of people don't
Speaker 4: understand man.
Speaker 3: It's like we just had this conversation number one. First
Speaker 3: of all, one hundred percent correct. I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 3: So my goal I've been given a million dollars a
Speaker 3: year away to charity. So I started out at my
Speaker 3: high school because I want the kids to go to college.
Speaker 3: And I went to my college Auburn, then at Warriager Brother,
Speaker 3: and I did Wounded Warriors, But the last eight years
Speaker 3: I did HBCUs and I just did another one about
Speaker 3: two weeks ago. And Kenny says, Ernie, can you repeat that?
Speaker 3: He says, yeah, Chuck, Chuck just gave another couple of
Speaker 3: million dollars to Jackson State. Jackson State and Bethune Cookman
Speaker 3: ready to shout out to Reggie theisters, the head coach there.
Speaker 3: And Kenny says, can you repeat that again? Ernie says, yeah,
Speaker 3: Chuck just gave his eight million dollars to HBCU. He says, Chuck,
Speaker 3: why don't you tell people? I says, I want to
Speaker 3: do it because it's I want to give back, he says.
Speaker 3: He said, and that's the problem. Chuck does all this.
Speaker 3: He don't tell anybody. I said, yeah, if I tell everybody,
Speaker 3: gonna be like Chuck always braging about how much money
Speaker 3: to get a charity. So I don't tell anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 3: He's like, he don't do shit for the blackmmunity said.
Speaker 3: I said, Yo, man, I'm not. As I tell my daughter,
Speaker 3: I said, let me tell you something. Don't you ever
Speaker 3: get these idiots power over you. If somebody said, like,
Speaker 3: I'm going back way back when she's a young kid,
Speaker 3: shout out to my little grandson. Just became a grandpa.
Speaker 3: You know. Ernie and Clark Kellogg, two of the greatest
Speaker 3: people I've ever known, said, man, being a grandpa gonna
Speaker 3: be the greatest thing ever happened to you. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: And I'm like it's gonna be good. I know. I
Speaker 3: called both of those guys. I said, all right, man,
Speaker 3: this is the greatest thing you ever have to be
Speaker 3: in my entire life. Shout out to little Henry. It's
Speaker 3: the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me. And
Speaker 3: I'm wanted to see my daughter as a grown person.
Speaker 3: But the point I was making was I told her,
Speaker 3: if somebody criticizes you, says bad thanks to you, you
Speaker 3: just keep walking, keep doing great in school, you'd be
Speaker 3: a great person. You already broke my heart and we
Speaker 3: didn't play basketball. I was like, to dude, it was
Speaker 3: so crazy, Jack. My daughter went to Villanova and Columbia.
Speaker 3: She's a great person. She's a really nice person and
Speaker 3: a great person. She's gonna be it. She's a great
Speaker 3: wife and a great mom. Really proud of her. But
Speaker 3: I got to tell you something, man. So my daughter,
Speaker 3: she was like two years old. She was like six
Speaker 3: feet tall, and I'm like, I'm gonna have the best
Speaker 3: female basketball player in the world. I can't wait to
Speaker 3: teach her shit, I says, I'm gonna send her to
Speaker 3: the best camps. I'm gonna work with her during the summer.
Speaker 3: I'm all pumped. Six feet tall, full five six seven
Speaker 3: eight nine ten. I'm like, come on, girl, be a
Speaker 3: teenager so i can teach you all my shit. How
Speaker 3: she become a teenager, I say, hey, you're gonna are
Speaker 3: you ready? We started playing. I don't think she liked basketball,
Speaker 3: said Christiana. When those girls get close to you pop them, Dad,
Speaker 3: I might hurt them. Say yeah, that's the objective. I'm
Speaker 3: bigger than they are. I'm like, yeah, that's an advantage.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, hey, can we get together after school today? Yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, that what we're gonna talk about. As you
Speaker 3: like basketball? Oh Dad, I don't like sports? Yeah right there?
Speaker 3: What do you mean I don't like sports? Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: just be a good person. I love you. You're the greatest.
Speaker 3: I love you. Go in the room like sports like basketball.
Speaker 3: And after I cried, I got over it, and I
Speaker 3: said and I told my friends, I say, yo, man,
Speaker 3: my daughter just crushed me today. She told me she
Speaker 3: don't like sports. And I said, but you know what,
Speaker 3: she's a great person. She's a straight a student and
Speaker 3: proud of the woman she is. But man, I was like,
Speaker 3: I spent my you know, I'm writing down notes teaching
Speaker 3: her to jump, hook up and under I'm gonna work
Speaker 3: with her on her footwork. She's like, oh damn, I
Speaker 3: don't like sports. It was brutal. I got five girls,
Speaker 3: and so I know the feeling.
Speaker 4: You stay at home for school Auburn, yes, any other
Speaker 4: schools was coming at you and so through some big
Speaker 4: bags your way.
Speaker 3: No, no, the thing is crazy, and you guys don't
Speaker 3: even know this. Man I grew. I wasn't even good
Speaker 3: at basket of a girl spurt right. I went from
Speaker 3: five to ten to sixty five in one year. I
Speaker 3: did too, so nobody even knewho the hell I was
Speaker 3: because they're like, I'm not on anybody's radar, and no
Speaker 3: schools will recruit me. I'm a five to ten backup
Speaker 3: point guard. Oh yeah, I'm back back up too. I'm
Speaker 3: not even no good. I ain't no good, And so
Speaker 3: then it's too late to get recruited. So then only
Speaker 3: Alabama already UAB is recruiting me because everybody's already signed.
Speaker 3: So I'm leaning toward you because I'm really close to
Speaker 3: my mother and grandmother. Rest in peace, ladies, Thank y'all,
Speaker 3: love y'all, misch y'all. So only three schools, big schools
Speaker 3: are recruiting me, So uabas in Birmingham, so it's right there.
Speaker 3: But they make it to the sweet sixteen and they
Speaker 3: got everybody coming back. Then Tuscaloosa is close. They actually
Speaker 3: make it to the sweet sixteen and got everybody coming back,
Speaker 3: and they signed the best big man in the country
Speaker 3: who's from Alabama, a guy named Bobbi Lee Hurt. And
Speaker 3: it's wildly who was the best point guard in the country.
Speaker 3: So then I go down to Auburn. Auburn's lost like
Speaker 3: twelve games in a row, and I'm looking and I said,
Speaker 3: these motherfuckers are awful. So me and the coach are
Speaker 3: sitting there and I said, coach, you got a pin
Speaker 3: on you. You know, people bugging me saying hello, signed
Speaker 3: a couple of autographs, blah blah blah. I said, coach,
Speaker 3: you got a pin on you. He says, oh, you
Speaker 3: big time. You're gonna start signing autographs and shit, I said, no,
Speaker 3: I'm signing up here. He said what he says, I'm
Speaker 3: watching our team play. These motherfuckers ain't no good. I
Speaker 3: can play here. And it turned into the best decision
Speaker 3: ever going to Auburn. But Jack, I tell these dudes,
Speaker 3: you know, I talk to players all the time. I said, listen,
Speaker 3: don't talk to me about the education part, because if
Speaker 3: you want a education, you're gonna get it. I said,
Speaker 3: your number one criteria is when you're decide where you're
Speaker 3: going to go to college, is playing time. I said,
Speaker 3: because if you go, especially if you go way so
Speaker 3: where away, if you don't get to play, there's gonna
Speaker 3: be a miserable experience. Experience. Yeah, it's gonna be awful.
Speaker 3: Your school word's gonna suck, but you're gonna be homesick.
Speaker 3: Because what people don't understand is, man, everybody can play
Speaker 3: in college. Everybody can play in college because when you're
Speaker 3: in high school and you're a great player or a
Speaker 3: really good player, you're only gonna play against five to
Speaker 3: ten players who are on your level. But when you
Speaker 3: go to college, everybody's on your level. Everybody's on your level.
Speaker 3: When you go play Vanderbilt, like, damn, they got good players.
Speaker 3: You go Mississippi State, I go Jeff Malone, kil Patrick Wells,
Speaker 3: Dominique had Georgia, James Banks, Burn Fleming, Terry Fair, and
Speaker 3: those guys Alabama had Bobbly Hurt, Eddie Phillips. So the
Speaker 3: number one criteria like, yo, man, you need to get
Speaker 3: to play. So Auburn gave me a great opportunity to play,
Speaker 3: and I got to play right away as a freshman
Speaker 3: and it was three great years and I loved it.
Speaker 3: Any good stories from both with Bo Jackson well, so
Speaker 3: we had a great high school football team. You know,
Speaker 3: we all you know, all the jocks hang out. So
Speaker 3: we played bowl's high school and Bows one of the
Speaker 3: few athletes who the same size in high schools. He
Speaker 3: was in Yeah, he was a monster in high school. Yes,
Speaker 3: like everybody else get bigger when they go to college,
Speaker 3: he was there already. Bowl We go play Bowls high
Speaker 3: school and it was one of the most amazing things.
Speaker 3: Like every time he touched the ball that he's just
Speaker 3: scored or a broke, like a fifteen twenty yard run,
Speaker 3: and it's like he's already bigger and faster than everybody else,
Speaker 3: Like he's bigger than our defensive lineman. I mean, but
Speaker 3: it was so beautiful to watch. And then he comes
Speaker 3: to auburnd the next year, and I tell people, one
Speaker 3: of the coolest things for me was get an opportunity
Speaker 3: to watch that dude play football every Saturday in person.
Speaker 3: And we're great friends to this day. But I just
Speaker 3: liked being with that dude. But man, it was such
Speaker 3: a it was a pleasure and an honor to watch
Speaker 3: that dude play football every Saturday. That talented man. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Eighty four you go in the draft, you go number five,
Speaker 4: same draft with MJ and the King. What was the
Speaker 4: state of the league in eighty four when you came in?
Speaker 3: You know, I spent the last couple of days with
Speaker 3: Magic Johnson shooting the Capitol One commercials, And every time
Speaker 3: I see him, I tell him thank you, because Mattie
Speaker 3: Johnson and Larry Bird are the two most important figures
Speaker 3: in NBA history. I agree, Well, people don't understand. To
Speaker 3: answer your question, people look at this thing now where
Speaker 3: guys are making thirty forty fifty million dollars. When I
Speaker 3: came in, it was uh David Stearn's first year. The
Speaker 3: average salary was two hundred thousand dollars. Magic and Bird,
Speaker 3: those guys changed the entire trajectory of the NBA and
Speaker 3: made it what it is today because Magic and I
Speaker 3: told him the story, I says, and I'm playing with
Speaker 3: doctor J. Moses. I remember the first time Magic when
Speaker 3: he made a million dollars, we were going around high
Speaker 3: five of each other. We couldn't believe an NBA player
Speaker 3: made a million dollars. That was Magic. He's the first
Speaker 3: player to make a million dollars. But year was that
Speaker 3: it was eighty five, eighty six somewhere in there.
Speaker 1: But he sounded like it was like a twenty.
Speaker 3: Five years twenty five million, yeah, a million yeah, And
Speaker 3: we like and Moses like, I'm not talking about regular
Speaker 3: guys on the team. I'm talking like they had never
Speaker 3: made a million dollars before. But it's all so the
Speaker 3: state of the league was like two black, a bunch
Speaker 3: of druggies, a bunch of thugs, Gay the finals will
Speaker 3: tape the lads. That was only one game a week.
Speaker 3: And it's all because of Magic and Bird who changed
Speaker 3: the whole dynamic of the league. So every time I
Speaker 3: see those guys, they I want them to know, Man,
Speaker 3: thank you. It took a kid from Leeds to Alabama
Speaker 3: to like I said, I was able to build my
Speaker 3: mother and grandmother house. I was able to send all
Speaker 3: my nieces nieces to college, my daughter to the best colleges.
Speaker 3: Because one of the greatest travesers of this country, the
Speaker 3: greatest country in the world, is what we charge these
Speaker 3: kids to go to school. Ridiculous. It's ridiculous and a
Speaker 3: joke because what we do is we eliminate probably seventy
Speaker 3: eighty percent of kids who are probably smart enough yeah,
Speaker 3: don't have the opportunity. They think they can't borrow that
Speaker 3: much money for it. I mean, you know, my daughter
Speaker 3: loved going to Villanova, loved it, she loved going to
Speaker 3: Columbia grad school. There are a lot of kids who
Speaker 3: probably just as smart as my daughter who got no
Speaker 3: chance of going to Villanova or Colombia, but because of economics,
Speaker 3: they can't go to those schools. So man, I wish
Speaker 3: we could find a way to do something about that,
Speaker 3: really help.
Speaker 1: Very rare for a top five pick to join a
Speaker 1: stable team. And you spoke to Moses's importance and doctor
Speaker 1: j how important those two guys, and right off the
Speaker 1: bat as soon as you landed in the league.
Speaker 3: Moses is the best thing ever happened to me from
Speaker 3: a basketball standpoint. So, Maddie, when I was in college,
Speaker 3: I played about right at three hundred pounds. My weight
Speaker 3: fluctuated between two ninety and three hundred. I was out.
Speaker 3: You know, that's only one meal, so it's so I play.
Speaker 3: I played about basically two ninety five, but I was
Speaker 3: having success. I think, even to this day, I'm the
Speaker 3: only person Gods didn't leave school early. You only left
Speaker 3: after your junior year in my day. So I think
Speaker 3: to this day, I'm still the only person to lead
Speaker 3: to SEC and rebound in three straight years. So I
Speaker 3: don't think anything wrong. Yeah damn, oh yeah, and Jack,
Speaker 3: I don't think i'm doing I'm having success. I don't
Speaker 3: think I'm doing anything wrong. Like one of the hardest
Speaker 3: things in life is when you're successful to know if
Speaker 3: you're doing anything wrong. Right, So I'm leading the SEC
Speaker 3: in rebounding as a freshman, I'm leading the rebound sophomore
Speaker 3: and as a junior. So I don't think that I'm
Speaker 3: doing anything wrong. And I get picked number five by
Speaker 3: the sixers and broke, don't fix that's right, But I'm not.
Speaker 3: Now I'm playing with real players, can't play at that weight.
Speaker 3: But don't know it. Just you know, I'm a rookie. Hey,
Speaker 3: rookie th ain't playing a time. I'm playing some minutes,
Speaker 3: but then I'm not getting no quality minutes. And so Moses,
Speaker 3: Me and Moses happened to live in the same building.
Speaker 3: Moses lived in the penhouse. I live on like the
Speaker 3: sixth floor, if I remember correctly. And I said, Mo,
Speaker 3: can I come see you tonight? And I said, he
Speaker 3: said sure, And I called him dad even to the
Speaker 3: day and one of the most bittersweet things people his
Speaker 3: family knew how closely were. I got to speak at
Speaker 3: the du the eulogy at his funeral. I love that dude,
Speaker 3: But so I go up. I said, big Mode, why
Speaker 3: am I not getting to play old, young fella, you're
Speaker 3: fat and you're lazy playing it simple. I'm like what
Speaker 3: he says, you're fat and you're lazy. He said, Charles
Speaker 3: can't play at three hundred pounds in the NBA, A
Speaker 3: young fella, you're too fat and too lazy, can't work
Speaker 3: hard at three hundred pounds. And I put downstairs and cried,
Speaker 3: not gonna lie. And but he said, he says, you
Speaker 3: want to lose weight. I come meet you before practice,
Speaker 3: I meet you out to practice. I said please, And
Speaker 3: this dude says, and he did it in a way.
Speaker 3: It's how smart he was. He did in a way.
Speaker 3: He says, let's lose ten pounds together. Yeah, he said,
Speaker 3: let's lose ten pounds. He met me before practice, met
Speaker 3: me after practice. I get to two ninety and I noticed, like,
Speaker 3: even at ten pounds, I'm like, I can work a
Speaker 3: little bit harder. He said, Okay, let's lose ten more.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I get to too eighties. Now I'm
Speaker 3: actually getting to play. He says, let's lose ten more.
Speaker 3: Now I'm at two seventy. Now I'm really getting to play.
Speaker 3: It's not acause I can work. I mean, thirty pounds
Speaker 3: a lot. Get to two sixty. Now I'm starting. Now
Speaker 3: I'm really can work. In my eyes out he says,
Speaker 3: I want to try something, I said. He says, let's
Speaker 3: get to two fifty. I'm like, okay, shit working, I'm good.
Speaker 3: I get to two fifty. Now I'm really starting. Things
Speaker 3: are really starting to take off. I staidly got to
Speaker 3: two forty, but I said, I don't feel strong. He said,
Speaker 3: two fifty is your weight. But he was so smart.
Speaker 3: If you had told me to lose fifty pounds, I
Speaker 3: was like, there's no fucking way I can lose fifty pounds.
Speaker 3: There's no way. And I lost to fifty pounds and
Speaker 3: the rest is history. But for that guy taking me
Speaker 3: under his wing, first of all, he was already one
Speaker 3: of the best to ever do it. For him to
Speaker 3: take a little fat kid under his wing, it changed
Speaker 3: my whole life. It changed my whole life. So that's why,
Speaker 3: and that's why I called him Dad, and I just
Speaker 3: was really crazy. I just saw him at the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame Friday, and as I always did, I gave
Speaker 3: him a hug and told him I loved him, and
Speaker 3: we hung out and had some fun at the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame that Sunday. Well, I had to fly to
Speaker 3: la the next day to shoot a Kirk commercial. I
Speaker 3: land in LA. I got a hundred messages, Yo, man,
Speaker 3: you all right, you all right? I'm calling a check
Speaker 3: on you. I love you, and I'm scrolling like everybody's
Speaker 3: checking on me. I'm like, what the fuck? And then
Speaker 3: finally says, man, call me. They had found him dead
Speaker 3: that that morning, because I'd been on a plane for
Speaker 3: like five hours, and I was like, I was so upset.
Speaker 3: I just stayed in my room the whole day because
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be friending to anybody. We was
Speaker 3: shooting the commercial to the next day. I was like,
Speaker 3: I stayed in my room. I called my close friends.
Speaker 3: I said, man, I'm so, this is such a fucked
Speaker 3: up situation. So apparently he had he had went home
Speaker 3: to do his regular charity golf tournament and he didn't
Speaker 3: show up. And they found him in this hotel room.
Speaker 3: So I guess he died in his sleep. But man,
Speaker 3: when I got when I was looking, when I got
Speaker 3: that call, man, it was it was one of the
Speaker 3: worst days of my life. But I thank him for
Speaker 3: taking this little fat kid under his wing. Because man,
Speaker 3: you guys know y'all been around a long time. We
Speaker 3: see motherfuckers eat out the NBA. So man moses, he's
Speaker 3: the most important person you know. And Doc was great, great.
Speaker 3: He taught me how to dress, he said, hey, because
Speaker 3: Doc was always immaculate to this. Yeah, he's like, Chuck,
Speaker 3: this is professional basketball. We don't dress. You got you
Speaker 3: can't be wearing warm up suits everywhere you go. He says,
Speaker 3: we're professionals. And he taught me how to dress. He
Speaker 3: taught me how to save my money because he says, yo, man,
Speaker 3: how many cars you got? I said, I got like six.
Speaker 3: He says, how many can you drive? At the same time,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean? He says, uh, why
Speaker 3: you have six cars? And I couldn't give him a
Speaker 3: good answer. He said, Charles, everybody know who the fuck
Speaker 3: you are. He said, you ain't got to He said,
Speaker 3: you ain't got to impress these people. Everybody know you,
Speaker 3: Charles Barkley. He said, son, take those cars back. You
Speaker 3: need one car. If you want to, that's fine, but
Speaker 3: the mother will take them back. He said, son, this
Speaker 3: money gotta last you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: He says, I know you think you're gonna play basketball
Speaker 3: a long time. He said, basketball is gonna be this
Speaker 3: shorter window of your life. He says, this money got
Speaker 3: to last you the rest of your life. And that
Speaker 3: was a great lesson. I tell these young guys, your
Speaker 3: man you don't need, but I met says all the time,
Speaker 3: you don't need but one house and one car. If
Speaker 3: you want to splurge and get two cars, that's fine,
Speaker 3: but you don't need more than one house in one car.
Speaker 3: This money, it's going to last you to the rest
Speaker 3: of your life. And you don't know how long you're
Speaker 3: gonna live. And like I said, TV saved me because
Speaker 3: I would have been broke, probably because you know, we
Speaker 3: as black people, for some reason, we feel this need
Speaker 3: to take care of everybody in our family. And Grant
Speaker 3: Hill's mom, one of the greatest ladies I've ever met
Speaker 3: in my life, gave me the best advice and I
Speaker 3: didn't never listened to it. We were at the ninety
Speaker 3: six Olympics, actually here in Atlanta, and Grant had just signed.
Speaker 3: She's one of the greatest women. We just lost her.
Speaker 3: She's one of the greatest women I've ever met. And
Speaker 3: she was telling me and her and Cavin and Grant
Speaker 3: were having dinner at the Olympics, and she says, yeah,
Speaker 3: me and Capin got to go back to work tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I said, wait a minute, Grant, just because I think
Speaker 3: Grant was the first person signed a hundred million dollar deal,
Speaker 3: I said, grand you just signed for one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3: Y'all gonna work, She says, chall sit your ass down.
Speaker 3: She says, let me tell you this. Do not take
Speaker 3: care of your family and all your friends. Do not
Speaker 3: do that. You're gonna end up broke. But you know,
Speaker 3: she said, it's worst. And she said it's going to
Speaker 3: ruin every relationship you've ever had. And I said, what
Speaker 3: do you mean. She says, Number one, if you start
Speaker 3: giving your family and friends money, they're never going to stop. Never.
Speaker 3: But she said the worst thing. The first time you
Speaker 3: tell them no, they're gonna hate you. She says, if
Speaker 3: you've given them five million dollars the first time you
Speaker 3: tell them no, they hate your ass forever. She was
Speaker 3: one hundred percent correct, And I said, well, first of all,
Speaker 3: it's too late. I'm taking care of everybody. And she says,
Speaker 3: if you can share my vision with these young black
Speaker 3: kids going forward, tell them they don't have to take
Speaker 3: care of their entire families and people in their neighborhood.
Speaker 3: That's no rital law. If you want to do something
Speaker 3: nice for somebody in your family, that's you, but you
Speaker 3: don't have no moral obligation to take care of them forever.
Speaker 3: And man, I tell all these young black kids, man,
Speaker 3: you don't have no moral Like if you want to
Speaker 3: do something nice for your mom and dad and whatever,
Speaker 3: or your brothers and sister, nothing wrong with that, But
Speaker 3: to have them on the payroll and all your friends
Speaker 3: on the payroll, that's crazy. There's a reason eighty percent
Speaker 3: of professional athletes go broke. That's it. But for some
Speaker 3: reason we feel just like, hey, I got to take
Speaker 3: care of everybody. No, you don't fuck that shit straight up.
Speaker 1: Jack and I always talk, going back to your two
Speaker 1: vets early on the importance of having veterans in the
Speaker 1: locker room. I think the NBA is so young now
Speaker 1: that you can't play, there's no use And we speak
Speaker 1: to for every reason you just spoken what they did
Speaker 1: for you, the importance of vet's in the locker room.
Speaker 1: Even if they're not contributed on the court, they're contributing
Speaker 1: so much off the court.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that? First of all, you
Speaker 3: are one hundred percent. I've said that for the last
Speaker 3: thirty years, every NBA team should have a Adonna's HASSLM
Speaker 3: or somebody like that. And I'm even igo dollar and i'
Speaker 3: me even fuck the basketball part. That's gonna take care
Speaker 3: of itself. Nice. These dudes don't know that. First of all,
Speaker 3: we don't even know how to handle a checking account.
Speaker 3: You know, we need like the thing we just talked about. Like, Yo, man,
Speaker 3: why you got ten guys with you all the time
Speaker 3: while you're taking care of Why are they always with us? Yo? Man,
Speaker 3: go buy some suits. I remember I tell you the
Speaker 3: story about doctor j Him and Maurice Cheeks and guys.
Speaker 3: And I'm a rookie. I'm still wearing warm ups everywhere
Speaker 3: they take me. Shot today? What you doing today? I'm
Speaker 3: like nothing. I get to hang out with y'all. They're like,
Speaker 3: we going shopping. They take me to board Store Boys
Speaker 3: is a famous clothing store in Philly. Like they're like,
Speaker 3: Chuck needs ten suits, ten sports coats and slacks. They
Speaker 3: fed me up and looking in the mirror and shit,
Speaker 3: ma reicing. The guys are just sitting back there looking yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: that's nice. That's good. Bill comes. It's like thirty two
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. I guarantee you ain't nobody my mom, my dad,
Speaker 3: my grandmother, ain't nobody in my house ever made thirty
Speaker 3: two thousand dollars a year. Bill. It's thirty two thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: They're like, pay the bill, young fellow. I call my agent.
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, I called my agent. Ia. Yo, man,
Speaker 3: I need thirty two thousand dollars. They're like what I said.
Speaker 3: The best took me shopping. They told me I'm dressing
Speaker 3: like a college kid. So they made me buy like
Speaker 3: ten suits, ten sports coach jackets and slacks, and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the right thing. But stuff like that. They're like,
Speaker 3: you know, and at that time, we were flying commercials,
Speaker 3: so we're in the airport. But Doc and all those guys,
Speaker 3: they're always immaculate, but you are one hundred percent. And
Speaker 3: you know now they're getting to change the rule back.
Speaker 3: We're going back to the drafting high school players. A
Speaker 3: high school player don't know what the hell he's doing, right,
Speaker 3: you know, they like they don't know how to eat.
Speaker 3: Like now, the ship was funny in the day. It
Speaker 3: was funny when I said on camera those two fish
Speaker 3: flays and large fry and die Coka probably shouldn't have
Speaker 3: been eating that shit. Probably should not have been eating it. Like, yo, man,
Speaker 3: go get a healthy meal, I would tell a young guy. Now,
Speaker 3: I know you can get the two fish relays in
Speaker 3: a large fried at twenty one, well, eighteen nineteen. That
Speaker 3: shit ain't gonna have no effect upon you. But you
Speaker 3: need to learn good habits and shared it with your
Speaker 3: kids because you know, like I said, you don't hey,
Speaker 3: you can share Like obviously I talked about earlier one
Speaker 3: of the you know, obesity, diabetes, those are big problems
Speaker 3: in the black community because we don't know how to eat.
Speaker 3: When you get in our position, like, yo, man, teach
Speaker 3: you how to eat. That's like I teach all my
Speaker 3: friends about credit cards.
Speaker 1: I remember in college shout out capital one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not yeah, shot a Capital one. But like you know,
Speaker 3: in college, they send you MasterCard and Visa Discovery cards.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And I remember me and all my teammates
Speaker 3: we go shopping like every weekend, and we'd be like
Speaker 3: high five to each other, like, man, we're getting over
Speaker 3: on these white folks. Ship. We like, we buying ship.
Speaker 3: And then we were like, hey, man, were really getting
Speaker 3: over on these white folks. They send us credit cards
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and then we pay the minimum. We
Speaker 3: go shopping every weekend, and then when I get to
Speaker 3: the NBA, my agent says, you got bills. We need
Speaker 3: to take care of it. See, I got some buildings,
Speaker 3: he says, like, he say, man, what all these bills
Speaker 3: you got? I said, man, we were getting over on
Speaker 3: tho his wife fulks, we were buying all this shit.
Speaker 3: He says, are you serious right now? I said, what
Speaker 3: do you mean him? I said? He says, so, y'all
Speaker 3: been buying all this shit, paying the minimum and keep
Speaker 3: buying shit. He said, son, you know how credit cards work.
Speaker 3: I says, yeah, you get them and you buy shit.
Speaker 3: He like, son, you're only paying the interest. And he says,
Speaker 3: you see this thing you bought for two thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: At the rate you're going, you're gonna be paying like
Speaker 3: twenty two thousand dollars for it by the time you're done.
Speaker 3: And I remember, I said what he says. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: is how they get poor people. They get They give
Speaker 3: you a credit card, you pay the minimum, and you
Speaker 3: don't ever ever end up paying it off. But by
Speaker 3: the time you pay it off, you paid like three
Speaker 3: times what it originally costs. And I called, I said,
Speaker 3: you need to go meet with all my college teammates. Said, man,
Speaker 3: we've been doing this shit the whole three years I've
Speaker 3: been in college and stuff like that. A VET like,
Speaker 3: you know, man, don't be you don't even know that.
Speaker 3: And you can teach that to your family. So that's
Speaker 3: to go back to your point. Like every NBA team
Speaker 3: your pay a veteran like, hey, all our conversations are private,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna teach you about life. Yeah, And the
Speaker 3: thing is just like yo, man, I know the game
Speaker 3: ain't to seven o'clock. I know you can stay out
Speaker 3: the three four in the morning, sleep all day, but
Speaker 3: they sleep ain't the same as a good night's sleep.
Speaker 3: Ship like that that a VET will tell you like
Speaker 3: like doctor, they tell me sometimes, hey, man, we got
Speaker 3: a big game, go to bed. I'm like, what, Hey,
Speaker 3: they sleep ain't the same as nice sleep, Like BET's
Speaker 3: tell you shit like that. So, man, I'm one hundred
Speaker 3: percent with you. Every team should have like a veteran liaison, like, hey,
Speaker 3: you can ask me anything. I'm not don't go rap
Speaker 3: to the team. I'm not a gonna rap, but you're
Speaker 3: gonna have to listen to me. I think stuff like
Speaker 3: that would be huge.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it will be because not only just teaching them
Speaker 4: about life, but I had guys like Steve Smith Kevin
Speaker 4: Willis to teach me how to be a professional, especially
Speaker 4: as a young kid I'm coming into I know it's a game,
Speaker 4: but no, you you used the job.
Speaker 3: Now you got to be a professional.
Speaker 4: So all that stuff helped me be be a better professional.
Speaker 3: So that definitely matters. Yeah, you and the two guys
Speaker 3: you mentioned, two of the best guys I've ever been around. Yeah,
Speaker 3: two of the best guys I've ever been around.
Speaker 4: We recently had Magic on our show talking about the
Speaker 4: Dream Team and it was some crazy stories. Yeah, everybody
Speaker 4: got their own story. Well went on, what's your take
Speaker 4: on the on the Dream Team.
Speaker 3: It was crazy. It was incredible because it's like, you
Speaker 3: know how like first of all, we all got tremendous egos.
Speaker 3: To be great, you got to have an ego and
Speaker 3: with the perfect storm. So Magic was pissed because Scotty
Speaker 3: had just locked him up in the finals, so he
Speaker 3: wanted revenge. Michael Clyde Drexler kept insinuating that he was
Speaker 3: mad at he thought I'm just as good as Michael Gordon,
Speaker 3: and Michael's like it was ballistic. So you got those
Speaker 3: two matchups. You got me and Karl Malone, who were
Speaker 3: the two best power for us in the world, and
Speaker 3: we're like, motherfucker, we're the best two, but I'm the one.
Speaker 3: Then you got Patrick and David trying to prove who's
Speaker 3: the best set in the world, and it was like
Speaker 3: we are, like no, I want you to know. Everybody
Speaker 3: was just like going at it like that, and it
Speaker 3: was so intense and it was so much fun because
Speaker 3: we had respect, like one of my best friends, but
Speaker 3: like I want that motherfucker. No, I'm the best motherfucking
Speaker 3: power for it in the world. Yeah, and I get
Speaker 3: a chance to prove it. You don't have John Stockton
Speaker 3: and those guys and I don't have much like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we get to prove it every day, so you had
Speaker 3: that backdrop, so every day was like a game seven.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was so intense, but we still we're
Speaker 3: main friends after it was over. But man, our egos
Speaker 3: like like it was so it was so much fun.
Speaker 3: But it was in the practices I never I've never
Speaker 3: been in my entire basketball life. I've never been. I
Speaker 3: think it's intense as those practices because everybody wanted to
Speaker 3: everybody has something to prove. But it was so much
Speaker 3: fun though. Man, it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Was it the passing of the torch where it's kind
Speaker 1: of MJ's was kind of coming on his arm and
Speaker 1: he was there. He was already there, but he was
Speaker 1: already That's kind of the passing of the torch his NBA.
Speaker 3: It was his NBA. Uh you know, he was already
Speaker 3: the man. But what that did was it took us
Speaker 3: worldwide and David Stern, who's a genius, you know, everybody
Speaker 3: like that made the NBA a real international game. Because
Speaker 3: when you talk to guys like Dirt Navsky, Steve Nash,
Speaker 3: Dad Less Shrimp, great players, they're like, that's our first
Speaker 3: Tony Parker, He's like, that's the first time I really
Speaker 3: knew about NBA basketball, because you know, at that time,
Speaker 3: like you know, I'm so old. People didn't even understand.
Speaker 3: People think basketball always been on television. There used to
Speaker 3: be one game a week on NBC. There was no ESPN,
Speaker 3: there was no T n T. So most people in
Speaker 3: our my generation, they don't, they don't. They couldn't get
Speaker 3: games overseas and things like that. All those guys, when
Speaker 3: you talk to them, it's like the NBA. That was
Speaker 3: my first recollection of NBA basketball was the Dream Team
Speaker 3: and so but it was so crazy, man. I'll give
Speaker 3: you an example. So in our hotel, you couldn't get
Speaker 3: in unless you were on the Dream Team or NBA
Speaker 3: or part of the Olympic thing. So from here to
Speaker 3: that wall was the bus. That was three to five
Speaker 3: thousand people standing up every day just to watch us
Speaker 3: get on the bus, screaming.
Speaker 1: A whole Barcelona. Was that Barcelona?
Speaker 3: Barcelona? Yeah, I mean like they could only see us
Speaker 3: like twenty feet to walk to the bus. It was
Speaker 3: like three to five thousand people out there every single
Speaker 3: day along the highway because we had this is how
Speaker 3: crazy on the side of the bus. We had a
Speaker 3: cop them on front and a guy with a machine
Speaker 3: gun on each side of the bus. We had three
Speaker 3: police cars in front, three police cars at the back,
Speaker 3: and a helicopter of us the whole time, so people
Speaker 3: knew we were coming along the highway. There must have
Speaker 3: been thousands of people just studying on the side of
Speaker 3: the highway, just holding up signs. It was the craziest thing.
Speaker 3: Like we're driving there's people on the highway holding up
Speaker 3: Magic birds Jordan signs. I mean, it was. It was surreal.
Speaker 3: I mean it was like and we were kind of
Speaker 3: in shock, to be honest with you, because we didn't
Speaker 3: know how big it was going to be. I mean,
Speaker 3: we knew it was going to be something, but to
Speaker 3: see it live, like, you know, man, there's three thousand
Speaker 3: people standing us side the hotel just to get a
Speaker 3: glimpse of us. I mean, obviously Magic buried and Michael
Speaker 3: with the three guys, but like we were in they flow.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, you let that team is scoring though,
Speaker 1: didn't you.
Speaker 3: I let it in scoring? Yeah, and rebounding. It was
Speaker 3: easy though. Yeah, it was easy though. Basketball. Man, Basketball
Speaker 3: was so easy to me. I got the best compliment
Speaker 3: ever from Chuck Daily. He pulled me aside one day.
Speaker 3: He says, you're the second best basketball player in the world.
Speaker 3: I said, who bet me? And I started laughing. We
Speaker 3: both started laughing because obviously Michael watch it. He says,
Speaker 3: I can get an appreciation watching you play every day.
Speaker 3: I said, Coach, let me just tell you this. I said,
Speaker 3: I'm a really good player. I can get you thirty
Speaker 3: I can get your twenty rebounds. I said. It's hard
Speaker 3: to do it when the whole defense is stocked against you.
Speaker 3: When you're playing in an NBA game, I said, when
Speaker 3: I'm playing with these dudes, easy, this shit is easy.
Speaker 3: I said. I can score anytime I want to. I
Speaker 3: can get a rebound anytime I want to, I says I.
Speaker 3: I says, just like when I got traded to Phoenix,
Speaker 3: when I got MVP, I said, man, I've been a
Speaker 3: great player. I just got help now, I said, I
Speaker 3: got Dan Marlon Kevin Johnson. I said, but I was
Speaker 3: a much better player in Philly. I just didn't have
Speaker 3: no help. I said. But my first year in Phoenix,
Speaker 3: I said, wait, y'all giving me Dan Marley and Kevin
Speaker 3: Johnson and said to Balas, Oh, yeah, we're good. I
Speaker 3: mean we're good and so but so it was it
Speaker 3: was if you're a great player, the game is easier
Speaker 3: with the better players. You play with round mound, the rebound,
Speaker 3: the nickname. So if you go back and look at
Speaker 3: my history. So we were trying to drum up support
Speaker 3: at Auburn because you know we're a football school. So
Speaker 3: they came to me and says, hey, do you mind
Speaker 3: because they were going to do a story on me
Speaker 3: for Sports Illustrated. And I said, whatever, y'all do whatever,
Speaker 3: help the program because I need some help. I need
Speaker 3: some We ain't no good, I need some help. And
Speaker 3: they made a list of like criscal kid, the wide
Speaker 3: load from Leads, risc.
Speaker 1: Kid while he was the ball headed out, Cristal gross
Speaker 1: criscal the cooking oil cooking what it had.
Speaker 3: To do with no, just just just like something to
Speaker 3: do with food. See you don't know the thing about
Speaker 3: that big assa criscal kid, Cristal Why load from leads,
Speaker 3: wide load from leads, bread truck, the good time blimp uh,
Speaker 3: the round amount of rebound. So they had they had
Speaker 3: the bread truck. Now all that money you're getting the
Speaker 3: bread So they had a list because I actually I
Speaker 3: remember doing something on camera one time. There was about
Speaker 3: ten of them total of nicknames they have for me,
Speaker 3: and I think, uh, bread Truck. I was bread Truck
Speaker 3: for a minute and then but I think by the
Speaker 3: end of my sophomore year, I was leading the league
Speaker 3: in rebound again. I think that's when it switched to
Speaker 3: round mound and rebound. Yeah, but man, it was like
Speaker 3: they were doing anything to drum up support. Yeah that
Speaker 3: was good. Yeah, that was stuck with you though, Yeah, stuck.
Speaker 1: With Obviously you spoke to being going to Phoenix. You
Speaker 1: traded the Phoenix after the Olympics. What was that first experience? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell people I got a chance to
Speaker 1: play for one year, but I loved Phoenix Scottsdale area.
Speaker 1: What was obviously the team was great, But what was
Speaker 1: that experience for you for the first time being out
Speaker 1: of Philly as far as professional ghost.
Speaker 3: It was great for the fact, you know, when we
Speaker 3: play an NBA game, you just go to the city
Speaker 3: sometimes you know that like twelve hours right, yeah, right
Speaker 3: about it. So I never really spend any quality of
Speaker 3: time in Phoenix. You fly in, you play, you might
Speaker 3: get to there the day before and you know you
Speaker 3: got stuff to do. You play, then you leave, or
Speaker 3: you flying after lady. After game in the city, you play,
Speaker 3: sleep all day, played, and go. When I got traded them,
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, man, it's December and we're walking around
Speaker 3: in shorts. I'm like, damn, we don't have to be
Speaker 3: cold all the time. Philly is cold and shit too.
Speaker 3: Once you get cold in Philly, it's cold whole year.
Speaker 3: You're like, nah, let's don't do shit. It's cold outside, right.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Phoenix, Hey man, it's nice, let's go play golf.
Speaker 3: It's December to fifteenth, it's seventy degrees. Let's do this.
Speaker 3: And we got the best record in the NBA, and
Speaker 3: we had a couple of pivotal moments. We get off
Speaker 3: to a slow start. The Bulls we picked to go.
Speaker 3: So I tell these guys, I with the owner the team.
Speaker 3: I says, Okay, this is the deal. We're going to
Speaker 3: the finals. I said, I think I'm the best basketball
Speaker 3: player in the world. We're going to the finals season. Yes,
Speaker 3: we're gonna play the Bulls for the championship. And I says,
Speaker 3: I think I'm the best player in the world. Michael
Speaker 3: just got more help. And this is the deal. I
Speaker 3: don't need no bullshit. We're going to the finals. Nobody,
Speaker 3: We're gonna get there. So we get off to a
Speaker 3: pretty good start, and I know Michael, they're hyping the
Speaker 3: game up. Best team in the East, best team in
Speaker 3: the West. They come in and I know Michael, well,
Speaker 3: they stump us. I go ballistic. I said, hey, man,
Speaker 3: I fucking told y'all what we're gonna do. That motherfucker
Speaker 3: came here. He sent me a message, and we didn't
Speaker 3: meet the challenge. I said, we ain't working for the
Speaker 3: job we got. We're working for the job we're gonna have.
Speaker 3: We gonna have to get better and quit fucking around.
Speaker 3: I said, we're not on their level right now. And
Speaker 3: that was the first turning point in our season. And
Speaker 3: we went on a long winning streak and we got
Speaker 3: it together and we finished with the best record in
Speaker 3: the NBA first round of the playoffs. Kevin gets hurt.
Speaker 3: No number one seed has ever lost. We're gonna be
Speaker 3: the first. We played the Lakers. Kevin is hurt. We
Speaker 3: lose the first two games at home this best of five.
Speaker 3: After the game, we devastated. I'm like, but right now,
Speaker 3: I gotta figure something out. Our coach, Paul Westfall just
Speaker 3: passed away. Rest in peace. I'm thinking. I'm sitting in
Speaker 3: my locker. I'm like, what the hell am I gonna do?
Speaker 3: I gotta get this team ready. We're going to LA tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like, what I'm gonna do? The motherfucker rest
Speaker 3: toward me, Like twenty of them says, did you hear
Speaker 3: what your coach said? I said, no, I didn't. I
Speaker 3: was It's just like your coach said, guys, not gonna
Speaker 3: say much tonight. They kicked our ass twice. It's what's
Speaker 3: gonna happen. We're gonna go to l A win in
Speaker 3: game three, We're gonna go game go to LA. We're
Speaker 3: gonna stay down and win Game four. They gonna come
Speaker 3: back here. We're gonna kick their ass in game five,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna say what the hell of a series
Speaker 3: it was? And I says, oh, well, coach is right,
Speaker 3: let's go. I say, hey, I coach said it, And
Speaker 3: I got to tell you something. I don't know what
Speaker 3: coach was doing, but it changed. The light came on
Speaker 3: in the locker room and I didn't even have to
Speaker 3: ask no question about us choking the first two games.
Speaker 3: In the five game, he said, you guys getting got
Speaker 3: like you guys gonna be the first number one seed
Speaker 3: to ever lose to the eight seed. And man, we
Speaker 3: went to La for game three. Them motherfuckers had Randon Newman.
Speaker 3: We love La, the crowd going crazy. We played great.
Speaker 3: We actually beat them in game four. Bad come on
Speaker 3: for game five. It's a dog fight and James Worthy
Speaker 3: comes up to me after the game. He says, now,
Speaker 3: you better go win this thing. He said, young, He says,
Speaker 3: y'all showed me some go win this thing. The next
Speaker 3: round we play San Antonio. We beat them in six.
Speaker 3: I think that's when I hit the shot that closed
Speaker 3: down the arena, that dumpy ass arena y'all had down there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: no hemisphair Fair. Yeah. That was the last game I
Speaker 3: ever played there. And that really was the one because
Speaker 3: he knocked you down on that three. Yeah, that was
Speaker 3: the one. Yeah. And then we played Seattle. Probably the
Speaker 3: best seven games, cheers I've ever been in, the best
Speaker 3: game I ever played in my life, Game seven when
Speaker 3: I had forty four and twenty four, best game I've
Speaker 3: ever played in my life. I remember this. It was
Speaker 3: a great series. We win one and two, they win
Speaker 3: three and four, We win five, they win six. And
Speaker 3: I pulled Frank Johnson aside. He was like my vet
Speaker 3: to talk to the young guys. I said, hey, man,
Speaker 3: because everybody's quiet on the plane. That's long ass flight
Speaker 3: from Seattle, I says, Frank, get back here. I need
Speaker 3: to talk to you. I said, what I got to do.
Speaker 3: Everybody's down, everybody's nervous. Everybody's nervous a game self, not scared,
Speaker 3: just nervous as hyper. It's a long forty ours for
Speaker 3: those Game sevens. Getting ready. And I said, Frank, I
Speaker 3: got to get this team. I'm mostly ready for Game seven.
Speaker 3: What do I need to do? He says, oh, I
Speaker 3: ain't worried. We got Game seven. I said, what do
Speaker 3: you mean? He says, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3: You have been to the finals. I said nope. He says,
Speaker 3: I got the best fucking basketball player in the world
Speaker 3: on my team, and we we're gonna, we're gonna. You
Speaker 3: ain't gonna let us lose Game seven. And I says,
Speaker 3: what he says, Charles, you told me you were the
Speaker 3: best basketball player in the world. You got one game
Speaker 3: to get to the finals. You ain't never been to
Speaker 3: the finals. He says, you better not let us fucking lose.
Speaker 3: I said, we're good, and I said before game seven,
Speaker 3: I said, boys, were going to the finals. Get on,
Speaker 3: let's go, get on my back. We're going. And I
Speaker 3: end up playing the best game.
Speaker 1: I said forty four and and I did.
Speaker 3: I said, were going to the finals. Y'all get on
Speaker 3: my fucking back, We're going, and we get to the finals.
Speaker 3: So game one, that's probably the most disappointed I've been
Speaker 3: in myself as a player. So we play in the
Speaker 3: Bulls Game one, and you guys both been in the finals.
Speaker 3: It's different than the regular season, different the playoffs. Ry
Speaker 3: motherfuckering the world is there. It's a bill. So we
Speaker 3: come out for game one, and my team is the
Speaker 3: way I normally did it was. I normally tried to
Speaker 3: get everybody involved in game one to get at home.
Speaker 3: I'm more aggressive on the road, because you know that's
Speaker 3: what stars do. They're more aggressive on the road. So
Speaker 3: game one, I was like, I need to get these
Speaker 3: guys started so they can get their confidence. Everybody's a
Speaker 3: little nervous. I'm not nervous, but these other guys never
Speaker 3: been in high pressure situation like that. So Game one,
Speaker 3: I was like, I was a little passive. They beat us.
Speaker 3: Game two, I said, fuck this shit, I'm going for it.
Speaker 3: And I said, I'm a whatever it takes, and I
Speaker 3: come out I'm fucking so aggressive. But Michael, no, I'm
Speaker 3: fucking aggressive. He's like, I can see he's talking to
Speaker 3: Horace and Scotty. He's like, y'all got slow that motherfucker down.
Speaker 3: Because Horrace, to me, was one of the more underrated players.
Speaker 3: Him and Scotty Man. When they doubled me, I couldn't
Speaker 3: see shit. They were so long and athletic. I couldn't
Speaker 3: see shit. But I still I finished with like forty eight,
Speaker 3: forty nine somewhere in there, twenty six something like that.
Speaker 3: But Michael fucking had like fifty five. Motherfucker would not
Speaker 3: let me win that game. And I remember, yeah, I
Speaker 3: remember going home. When I got home, my daughter was
Speaker 3: upset and I said, I told her. I had told
Speaker 3: her before. I said, ain't nobody in the world better
Speaker 3: at basketball than your dad, and we're gonna win this
Speaker 3: fucking series. When I got home, she was crying and
Speaker 3: I was like, she's dad. I thought you told me
Speaker 3: y'all were gonna win, I said, I said, Christianna, I
Speaker 3: ain't never said this before. I think there's somebody better
Speaker 3: at basketball than me, you know, because you know it's
Speaker 3: Michael and Larry and Magic. I says, I loved it.
Speaker 3: Those guys are all great. But I says they're great
Speaker 3: because he has Kareem, he has James Worthy, Michael got
Speaker 3: Horrors and Scottie and Bird got Michael in Paris. I says,
Speaker 3: I know, I'm just as good as those motherfuckers, but
Speaker 3: they just had more help. But I said, but going
Speaker 3: back to the forty twenty game, twenty four game, I
Speaker 3: was like, I can wield my team to win. But Michael,
Speaker 3: when I that night, when I was like, this motherfucker
Speaker 3: ain't gonna let me win this thing. Cause like I said,
Speaker 3: like I said, I had my forty something and he
Speaker 3: had fucking fifty times. So then so I said, hey,
Speaker 3: you know your dad, he ain't never gonna quit a
Speaker 3: give up. We're gonna be all right, right. So we
Speaker 3: go to Chicago and that's a triple overtime game. We win,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Okay, I might can do this thing.
Speaker 3: The next game, this motherfucker goes okay, so this uh no.
Speaker 3: So the next game, I think he had another fifty five.
Speaker 3: He was gonna end this shit. He was gonna end
Speaker 3: this shit, and they beat us. It was a hell
Speaker 3: of a game. Then before it came five, like, guys,
Speaker 3: we're gonna be all right, So before the all day long,
Speaker 3: you know, you don't do ship. You can't go out
Speaker 3: becally on the road.
Speaker 1: Is there back and forth between you and the MJ
Speaker 1: off the court?
Speaker 3: At this time we put our friendship. So then all
Speaker 3: day on TV, these motherfuckers on TV boarding up the
Speaker 3: city telling people to calm down. They win the championship,
Speaker 3: a night championship, no fires, yo.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: By the time we got to the gym, I say, hey, man,
Speaker 3: ain't no fucking way were losing this bitch tonight because
Speaker 3: you know I'm sitting there steaming the whole day. Every
Speaker 3: time you try to get away from that ship. Hey,
Speaker 3: we're boarding up to see uh this weekend the championship
Speaker 3: route is gonna be here, but y'all please.
Speaker 1: Behave That's when it was two three two, right, there
Speaker 1: was it three in Chicago?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the game five was in Chicago, And by the
Speaker 3: time we got to the game, I said, hey, hey, coach,
Speaker 3: let me speak all that. Don't played these motherfuckers five times?
Speaker 3: Ain't no exces and oe right now? I said, God,
Speaker 3: we cannot fucking lose this game. That ship they were
Speaker 3: doing on TV today was so fucking disrespectful and pissed
Speaker 3: us off. And we won that game, and then uh,
Speaker 3: obviously we lost it back at home in game six
Speaker 3: on a three pointer. But man, when I got to
Speaker 3: game five, I was like, ain't no fucking way were losing, guys,
Speaker 3: because we sit there and watch that thing and talking
Speaker 3: about they were boarding up the city, talking about act
Speaker 3: like y'all got some common sense and don't be going
Speaker 3: crazy burning up cars and shit like y'all did the
Speaker 3: last time they won the championship. So I was but man,
Speaker 3: stuff like that. I missed that.
Speaker 1: MVP that season but lost in the finals. We recently
Speaker 1: talked to Magic about, you know, his back and forth
Speaker 1: with Isaiah and Isaiah and MJ's beef.
Speaker 3: Or whatever that may be.
Speaker 1: You and MJ were really close, yes, and haven't spoke
Speaker 1: in some time. Is there is there light at the
Speaker 1: end of the tunne with that? Do you feel like
Speaker 1: you guys can mind that.
Speaker 3: That would be on his end. Matt. He was my
Speaker 3: best friend at the time, and I love the guy
Speaker 3: and I missed the guy, but you know, I got
Speaker 3: to do my job. What I said was, I said,
Speaker 3: first of all, I don't think it's fair for me
Speaker 3: to critique other gms and coaches and have a double time.
Speaker 3: That goes back to the Skip Bayless thing, like you
Speaker 3: can tell the guys he like and guys he just like.
Speaker 3: I think I'm fair to everybody. What I said about Michael,
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know if he's ever going to
Speaker 3: be successful because of the people around him. I think
Speaker 3: he hires too many of his friends. And because your
Speaker 3: friends don't ever tell you no. The hardest thing about
Speaker 3: being famous is because you're paying all the bills, they're
Speaker 3: on your private jet. They're not gonna tell you when
Speaker 3: you're doing something wrong. And I said that I didn't
Speaker 3: because he was struggling as a general manager, a running
Speaker 3: the team. And I said, I don't know if he's
Speaker 3: ever going to be successful because the people around him
Speaker 3: are never going to tell him no, and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: don't draft that dude, we need to trade that dude.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah, and he went ballistic and he called
Speaker 3: me and that's the last thing I heard was motherfucker,
Speaker 3: fuck you. You're supposed to be my boy and blah blah,
Speaker 3: And I said, man, man, I got to do my job.
Speaker 3: And we haven't spoken since that night, and that was
Speaker 3: probably close to ten years ago.
Speaker 4: But I kind of agree with that because you know,
Speaker 4: they traded me after to the playoffs for the first time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do make.
Speaker 4: Some bad decisions over there.
Speaker 1: So after the finals, you launched your signature shoe. Uh,
Speaker 1: Leeds Alabama? Did you ever think that you would have
Speaker 1: your own Nike shoe? You know, my relationship with Nike
Speaker 1: has been amazing. They're great, Horod White, Lynn, Merrick, Phil Knight.
Speaker 1: Those are three of the most important people in my
Speaker 1: basketball career.
Speaker 3: When it was your first signature shoe, I think I
Speaker 3: started getting them back in Philly. Uh did you have
Speaker 3: a signature shoe in ninety six? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm saying that I wanted to tell
Speaker 4: them the story. So my high school state championship, my
Speaker 4: family's poorking for in the shoes we get there. My
Speaker 4: shoes are from the team, but I've been playing tomorrow. Yes,
Speaker 4: they raggedy. I'm talking about I.
Speaker 1: Know how your toenails cut through letter my shoes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and my uncle shows up. They wouldn't let him back,
Speaker 1: but he shows up in the back, like.
Speaker 3: For the locker room.
Speaker 4: So when my teammates come to give me and he
Speaker 4: got a box of shoes, I'm not knowing what it is.
Speaker 3: I opened the box. It was the black and gray
Speaker 3: Charles box.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, and I ye had them five fives.
Speaker 4: I played in the state championship and them shits fresh pair. No,
Speaker 4: we won, we won, but just to have a friend,
Speaker 4: you know what I say. I had a fresh path
Speaker 4: and I wore them sits about three years straight after.
Speaker 3: You know, you talk about that situation. So obviously grew
Speaker 3: up really, really poor. So my mom rest in peace.
Speaker 3: She always made sure I had a good pair of shoes.
Speaker 3: She brought him to the game. She took him right
Speaker 3: after Hey, after game, she's knocking on the door, charge
Speaker 3: to bring them shoes here. I didn't get them. I
Speaker 3: couldn't wear I can only wear them. She brought them
Speaker 3: to the game, came out of after the game, and
Speaker 3: because they had to last me the whole season. Now,
Speaker 3: once he was old. I could use him. But you
Speaker 3: talk about grun up poor and getting shoes and things
Speaker 3: like that, it's so crazy to shit that's happening. You think,
Speaker 3: you think about how lives have changed so much. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there thinking, like I tell that story, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: my mom used to bring my shoes to the game,
Speaker 3: like they had to last the whole season, and she
Speaker 3: came and got them right after the game and I
Speaker 3: didn't get them back until So, man, some of this
Speaker 3: stuff you think about our lives. Now, I'm sponsored by
Speaker 3: Jordan now. So it's so crazy, isn't it. I Mean,
Speaker 3: it's just a crazy blessing, A blessing, blessings I tell
Speaker 3: people all the time. Man, I got the honor and
Speaker 3: the privilege to be Charles Barkley. It's such a blessing.
Speaker 1: So the Fab Five, obviously one of the greatest college
Speaker 1: teams ever, decided to wear your shoe and continue to
Speaker 1: kind of really intrench it in the culture. What are
Speaker 1: you thinking as you're seeing, you know, these young black
Speaker 1: kids in Michigan and their new style and they're wearing
Speaker 1: your shoes on top of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's it's it's it's crazy. They were
Speaker 3: such fun. I'm ann they were such you know. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like I get to watch March Maddness now.
Speaker 3: I used to watch it a lot when I played
Speaker 3: because it's just great, And now I get to broadcast
Speaker 3: March Madness, And I tell people everybody should go to
Speaker 3: the Final four one time in their life. There's two
Speaker 3: things you should do in your life if you like sports.
Speaker 3: Found a four Saturday at the Olympics. My job at
Speaker 3: the Final four is one of the craziest, coolest things
Speaker 3: I've ever got an opportunity to do. But also the Olympics. Man,
Speaker 3: No TV doesn't do the Olympics justice. You go to
Speaker 3: the Olympics, into the Final four. But to see those
Speaker 3: young kids, I mean, man, what they accomplished will probably
Speaker 3: never be accomplished again. To get to the finals two
Speaker 3: years to the final four, two years in a row
Speaker 3: with the same group of freshmen and son boys, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's incredible. I mean, well, obviously now because you know
Speaker 3: kids leaving so early. It'll never be done again. But
Speaker 3: it was incredible.
Speaker 1: Your famous line, I'm not a role model came around
Speaker 1: that time.
Speaker 3: Speak to that. Probably the most important thing I done.
Speaker 3: Donna did on eloquent enough verbally all the time. So
Speaker 3: that was a big deal for me. So you know,
Speaker 3: you know, part of our job we get to speak
Speaker 3: to kids a lot. So we still have too many
Speaker 3: segregated schools in this country, So especially in Philly, we
Speaker 3: speak at a lot of different like and I think
Speaker 3: players should always at least probably maybe even once a
Speaker 3: week go speak out of school because these young black
Speaker 3: kids especially look up to us and so. But what
Speaker 3: I was noticing was when I was going speak to it,
Speaker 3: but it's always talk to kids about education because one
Speaker 3: thing we need to value more, especially in black community,
Speaker 3: is education. I think we get so enamored because most
Speaker 3: of the famous black people that know are rich because
Speaker 3: of sports being entertainment. They don't realize that most people
Speaker 3: have to get a real job. So my thing is,
Speaker 3: when I was going to these schools, I said, well,
Speaker 3: how many y'all want to play sports? And I noticed
Speaker 3: at the black schools, pretty much every kid raised their hand,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, that's interesting. But when I
Speaker 3: go to a white school, I said, well, how many
Speaker 3: of y'all want to play sports? Only about ten percent
Speaker 3: raised their hand. I said, what do you want to do?
Speaker 3: I want to be a doctor. I want to be
Speaker 3: a lawyer. I want to be an engineer. I want
Speaker 3: to be a teacher, fire and policeman, things like that.
Speaker 3: So I kind of start paying attention. For like a
Speaker 3: couple of years, I said, guys, we got too many
Speaker 3: black kids think they can only be successful through athletics
Speaker 3: and entertainment. They don't think they can be doctors and
Speaker 3: lawyers and engineers and shit like that. And I said,
Speaker 3: we need to do something about that. So I called
Speaker 3: a meet with Nike. I said, I got this commercial
Speaker 3: I want to make. They're like your fucking nuts. They're
Speaker 3: like fucking nuts. And I said no, I says, he says,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get killed. I said, that's fine. I can
Speaker 3: handle it. I dude, I play in fucking Philly. I
Speaker 3: thought my name was Charles Barker, your motherfucker for like
Speaker 3: five years. There's nothing I'm not gonna be offended or
Speaker 3: upset by anything like that. And he says, are you sure?
Speaker 3: I says, I'm positive. So I made the commercial. Obviously
Speaker 3: it blew up and craziness, and I said, and I
Speaker 3: went on and explained what I was trying to do,
Speaker 3: and it turned into a real positive thing. And in
Speaker 3: fairness to Nike, they came to back to me late
Speaker 3: and says, hey, we were wrong. We ninety percent of
Speaker 3: our letters we got was so positive on that commercial.
Speaker 3: And I says, all I was doing was trying to
Speaker 3: the start a debate because I've got to get these
Speaker 3: black kids to stop thinking they can only play sports
Speaker 3: to be successful. And like I say, I just wanted
Speaker 3: to start like a debate and it turned it turned
Speaker 3: out to be perfect because I'm forty I'll be forty
Speaker 3: five in April. You a role model to me. You'll
Speaker 3: appreciate it. But I think these young brothers, man and sisters,
Speaker 3: like we can be doctors and lawyers and engineers anything.
Speaker 1: But they don't think that, right, They don't think that
Speaker 1: because they don't see it.
Speaker 3: They don't see that the only famous They see how
Speaker 3: much money we make, and they see us jocks and entertainers.
Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all do know we got black doctors, right,
Speaker 3: we got black lawyers, we got black engineers, judges, but
Speaker 3: they're not they're not in their neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got to see it to believe it. On your
Speaker 1: way out the league, you get a chance to go
Speaker 1: to Houston and play with Clyde and the King. What
Speaker 1: was it like playing with those two?
Speaker 3: That was very difficult for me, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: because I was I really didn't want to leave Phoenix.
Speaker 3: So the Rockets called me on the phone. One of
Speaker 3: my friends worked in the front office, Robert Barr worked
Speaker 3: for the Rockets, and he says, hey, man, if we
Speaker 3: trade for you, are you gonna want a new contract?
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 3: He says, the Sons are shopping you. I said, Sons
Speaker 3: ain't fucking shopping me. I'm on the player we got.
Speaker 3: And I said, dude, the Sons are not shopping me.
Speaker 3: He said, let me ask you a question. If we
Speaker 3: trade for you, you want a new contract? I said, dude,
Speaker 3: I got a contract. He said, are you gonna hold
Speaker 3: out for a new contract? I says, dude, stop at
Speaker 3: the son. He's a good friend of mine, he says.
Speaker 3: I says. I called the Sons. I said, hey, man,
Speaker 3: are y'all shopping me? Like, no, man, You're the only
Speaker 3: player we got. Blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like okay.
Speaker 3: Three hours later, Charles, are you gonna want a new
Speaker 3: contract and we trade for you. I said, yo, man,
Speaker 3: I talked to the sons. Ain't nothing going on? And
Speaker 3: nothing going on, Charles, I'm asking you this for the
Speaker 3: last Are you gonna hold out or anything if we
Speaker 3: make the trade. I'm like, yo, man, no, because at
Speaker 3: that point I knew they were full of shit. The
Speaker 3: signs were and they made the trade and I had
Speaker 3: to make the best of it. I enjoyed playing with
Speaker 3: the King in Clyde. I hate that we were all
Speaker 3: over the hill and we had two good years. Well
Speaker 3: we lost. I think we lost in the conference finals
Speaker 3: one year. I got hurt, one year, I got hurt
Speaker 3: one year, and then we lost in the conference finals.
Speaker 3: And I always want to thank Rudy tom Janovic because
Speaker 3: my last two years I couldn't play dead.
Speaker 4: He treated me great. He treated me great with back issues.
Speaker 4: Right around the time, I just couldn't jump anymore. I
Speaker 4: was old, was but he treated me great and I
Speaker 4: went to him. I said, coach, can I come off
Speaker 4: the bench? He says, you're sure? I said, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I'm fucking positive, but I couldn't play. But they treated
Speaker 4: me great, which is all you want as a player
Speaker 4: because I was winding. It was the end of my
Speaker 4: career anyway.
Speaker 3: Uh. And I wasn't gonna leave no money on the table, y'all, y'all,
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna say, lead you to my last two years.
Speaker 3: I said, I can't play, but I'm gonna finish these
Speaker 3: next two years out. And uh. But I really appreciated
Speaker 3: Rudy and the Rockets treating me with class.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it gave that championship feel back to Houston when
Speaker 4: you came, even though y'all didn't win, like, it was
Speaker 4: good times.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the city too. I enjoyed Yeah, it got
Speaker 3: a good rest there. It was a good time when
Speaker 3: he was there. What are your biggest observations of the
Speaker 3: season so far? Home stretch better almost done. It's awful basketball.
Speaker 3: I hate to be the old get off my lawn, dude.
Speaker 3: It's awful basketball. No defense, no defense, and it's become
Speaker 3: a three point shooting contest and the only thing that
Speaker 3: bolls me. And people are like, oh, you just mad
Speaker 3: because you didn't play. I said, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: there's strategy in basketball to just go to the gym
Speaker 3: saying we're just gonna jack up threes all night and
Speaker 3: If we make them, we win. If we miss them,
Speaker 3: we lose. And the only thing that boss me. I said, hey, all,
Speaker 3: you motherfuckers can't be good three point shooters, right, I said,
Speaker 3: wait a minute. If you're a good three point shooter,
Speaker 3: all y'all motherfuckers ain't Steph and Clay right. I says,
Speaker 3: I don't mind guys shooting threes, but your big guys
Speaker 3: are shooting threes.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I says, if y'all just gonna have three point shooting contests,
Speaker 3: just say it. I said, the big guys don't post
Speaker 3: up anymore. Joel and Bee is the best big man
Speaker 3: up there with Joker. I said, they're the only two
Speaker 3: guys who post up realistically. I said, but I don't.
Speaker 3: I said, hey, y'all play how you want to. But
Speaker 3: if y'all just gonna go out and shoot threes all night,
Speaker 3: but that's fine, I will tell you this. I said
Speaker 3: this the other night on the show. I got zero
Speaker 3: ideal gonna win the championship. I said, Denver's gonna finish
Speaker 3: with the best record because I think they got the
Speaker 3: best team. But you're gonna need a dog. You're gonna
Speaker 3: need a dog at some point. And I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be Jamal Murray. I said he's gonna be the key.
Speaker 3: I says, greatest joker is at some point in a
Speaker 3: basketball game, you got to get a ball to it.
Speaker 3: I said this on air. I said, he said, hey,
Speaker 3: get me one, and I says, Jamal Murray is a
Speaker 3: guy who can do that. I love what they went
Speaker 3: out going to get Brown and KCP and so Denver.
Speaker 3: To me, looks like, man, they're gonna be a handful.
Speaker 3: But I think my sons are done because once you
Speaker 3: lose that chemistry on the team, I don't think you
Speaker 3: can get it back. And I think they've lost it.
Speaker 3: They don't like each other and once because I think
Speaker 3: you got to. Every team has as clicks, but you
Speaker 3: have to like and respect each other if you're going
Speaker 3: to win. Milwaukee and Boston, I think they've separated themselves
Speaker 3: in the East and the intriguing team is gonna be Brooklyn. Uh.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna come down to Ben Simmons because
Speaker 3: I think Katie and Kyrie are gonna do their thing,
Speaker 3: but Ben Simmons is gonna be the wild card. He
Speaker 3: has to be a factor somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yes, like either either be the defensive stopper or you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But he's just out there right now, he's not doing that,
Speaker 3: not doing anything, and so but man, it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3: But that's the beauty of it. Man. Somebody's gonna win
Speaker 3: this thing and it's gonna be well deserved.
Speaker 4: But right now, uh, it's gonna be interesting. Anybody in
Speaker 4: today's game remind you of yourself.
Speaker 3: Not really, because you know they just nobody plays physical.
Speaker 3: You can't. First of all, you can't play physical. You know.
Speaker 3: I had to play physical because I'm a six or
Speaker 3: five guy playing against big dudes I got. I mean,
Speaker 3: Jack was the last guy, all right. Yeah, see Zach,
Speaker 3: Zach and a Joker. I love watching them play because
Speaker 3: everybody can play when you can run and jump real yeah,
Speaker 3: but when you have to use your brain and your body.
Speaker 3: That's why I love watching Jack, Joker and Zach play. Now.
Speaker 3: I really love that boy, Yannis him and Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 3: I've never seen NBA players play harder than those two guys.
Speaker 3: You know, Russell does he have flaws, yes, But I'm
Speaker 3: never gonna say anything bad about a man who plays
Speaker 3: that hard every single night.
Speaker 1: And plays every almost every game, every.
Speaker 3: Game, and Jannis he's the same way. He plays one
Speaker 3: percent effort every single night, and you have to admire that.
Speaker 3: Who is the best player in the league right now?
Speaker 3: To you? I would go with Jannis, Yeah, I would
Speaker 3: go with Yannis. Katie is probably the best offensive player,
Speaker 3: but Jannis. But jokers ridiculous. Mean that dude is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: That's the last. Yeah, I mean, he is ridiculous. I mean,
Speaker 3: but you know, Joel's fantastic, Steph, Steph. I mean, so
Speaker 3: it's some great players out there, and they're fine to watch.
Speaker 3: I just wish they would bring a little bit more
Speaker 3: strategy into the game instead of just saying, hey man,
Speaker 3: let's just jack up a bunch of threes.
Speaker 1: That's what's going on. Too quick hitters. First thing to
Speaker 1: pop your mind. Let us know this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a big one to put you on the spot top
Speaker 1: five all time. Who's in your top five?
Speaker 3: Michael Oscar Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell, those are your top five,
Speaker 3: Kobe Lebron, Tim Duncan, Queen, Jared West, those are my
Speaker 3: top ten, and then you got Magic Berg, Shack. Steph
Speaker 3: is right there in that vicinity. Elgend Baylor. His top
Speaker 3: ten was nice.
Speaker 1: Can any current player crack the top ten by the
Speaker 1: time they're done in your in your top ten?
Speaker 3: In your opinion? That that's that's a great question. Steph
Speaker 3: is knocking on the door. If Steph win one more,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be hard not to It's gonna be hard
Speaker 3: not to put him in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Did you have Bron in your top ten?
Speaker 3: He's seven Kobe and it's so fun. I had an
Speaker 3: argument with a dude. He's the biggest Lebron fan in
Speaker 3: the world. And I says, Yo, Man, I didn't put
Speaker 3: Steve Nash ahead of Lebron, no disrespect. I put Kobe Bryant,
Speaker 3: I said, and I love Lebron. I said, but the
Speaker 3: difference in my opinion, I says, Michael and Kobe will
Speaker 3: kill you. I said, like, Lebron's a nice guy. I said,
Speaker 3: ain't nobody ever said Kobe and Lebron and Michael were
Speaker 3: nice guys? I said, those words ain't never been spoken.
Speaker 3: But nobody ever said, man, that Michael Jordan's a nice guy.
Speaker 3: I'm like they did.
Speaker 2: Who said that?
Speaker 3: The same thing with Kobe? And there's nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 3: But Lebron he's just a nice man, and I got him.
Speaker 4: Seven Yeah, one album you can listen to and repeat.
Speaker 4: I want to hear this. I want to know what
Speaker 4: kind of musics you listened to. Well, it's so funny.
Speaker 4: I had a bunch of people over last night, and
Speaker 4: it's so funny. Chuck d gave me Ael about a
Speaker 4: year and a half ago. So I've been out.
Speaker 3: Buying albums and I had all the Capital one people
Speaker 3: over the spot last night. We're getting drunk. We've been
Speaker 3: tired of shooting. We listened to Public Enemy, Tupac, Notaris,
Speaker 3: b Ig the Eagles. Dude, I've been shopping. I got
Speaker 3: about ten new vinyls for Christmas from different friends. And
Speaker 3: I bought a record player about a year and a
Speaker 3: half ago after Dre got me that because I had
Speaker 3: because that's the old school. I had record player growing up,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know they were making a comeback, but
Speaker 3: I got when Dre went excuse me, when Chuck gave
Speaker 3: me that vinyl about a year and a half ago,
Speaker 3: I went out and bought me a record player. So
Speaker 3: I been going to a record store like once a month,
Speaker 3: picking out. I just I just got uh Thriller, the
Speaker 3: new Bruno Bruno mars Man. But like I say, most
Speaker 3: of my stuff is uh jay Z, Tupac Biggie. And
Speaker 3: then we had it blowing up last night and.
Speaker 1: It was going down.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We have been working like twelve hour days for
Speaker 3: four days in a row, and man, everybody left town
Speaker 3: this morning. But we let it go last night. I
Speaker 3: mean we were going at the heart. I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Kenny briefly spoke to this when we had him your
Speaker 1: first impression when Shaq came to the crew and he
Speaker 1: brought his DJ set, his hookah lounge and all this
Speaker 1: kind of ship right on, he seemed to chake his
Speaker 1: head right off the bat.
Speaker 3: So so you know, we're in a room we got
Speaker 3: like it's just like something like this. We have every
Speaker 3: game on and a bunch of networks shocks another room
Speaker 3: smoking hookah. He loves hookah, loves it every day and
Speaker 3: he's in there smoking hooka the like. Then he's practicing
Speaker 3: DJ stuff. Apparently he's pretty good DJ. Yeah, and like
Speaker 3: loud as hell, loud as hell, he's smoking hookah and
Speaker 3: we going like yo, man, So it's crazy he's in
Speaker 3: that practice, in this DJ thing. And finally they said, yo, man,
Speaker 3: you can't smoke hookah in the building. He goes out
Speaker 3: in the parking lot and he's smoking hookah and he
Speaker 3: loves it. He loves it, and he just makes us
Speaker 3: laugh man, because he's got a pure hard but man,
Speaker 3: when he first came there, but the tea that was
Speaker 3: really funny. He come like the first night, he do
Speaker 3: some funny, Second night, he do some funny. Third NIGHTY
Speaker 3: do something funny. And then he says then he says like, hey,
Speaker 3: I need you guys. I need you guys. I want
Speaker 3: to try this next week. We're like, yo, man, you
Speaker 3: know we're on TV like one hundred and some days
Speaker 3: you can't try to do some shit every night and
Speaker 3: other so seriously, so we're like the joke around the
Speaker 3: studio became like, hey, we like five shows from Shaq
Speaker 3: settinghimself on fire on TV because he was actually thinking
Speaker 3: like I've got to out.
Speaker 1: Doing myself every week.
Speaker 3: We're like, yo, man, we're only four shows in. We
Speaker 3: got one hundred shows, and that's when we came up
Speaker 3: with a joke. You know what you think about show
Speaker 3: ten twelve, We're gonna set itself on fire, and that
Speaker 3: became the joke but we're like, yo, man, we don't
Speaker 3: have to outdo ourselves every night. Yeah, I said, the
Speaker 3: only time we have to come up with shit is
Speaker 3: when we got bad games. He says, when we got
Speaker 3: good games, the game it's the easiest job in the world.
Speaker 3: I said, because we're on from seven to one thirty
Speaker 3: in the morning. I said, if the games are good,
Speaker 3: we're good. But if we got ship games, we got
Speaker 3: to make people still watch. That's when we have to
Speaker 3: come up with Silly's two days. I said, So, so
Speaker 3: let the game play out before you come up with
Speaker 3: some ship so so, but it's been fun, man, be
Speaker 3: at home righting do this today. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 3: it was be like, yo, man, let the game play out, because,
Speaker 3: like I said, you want people to watch, but they're
Speaker 3: not going to watch from seven to one thirty if
Speaker 3: it shipped games. So let the games play out. But
Speaker 3: now he's got it, man, he's got it. Best boxing
Speaker 3: fight you've ever seen live. We've seen one hundred of them, right,
Speaker 3: I will probably say Hagler hearns it was there live. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 3: I was there for field the bite. I was there
Speaker 3: for the bite. Hears though, Yeah, I was there with
Speaker 3: so it was so funny. That was in Vegas. So
Speaker 3: you know, we we you know, you play golf all
Speaker 3: day and you're getting your drink on. I love to
Speaker 3: drink and love to gamble. So we see this motherfucker
Speaker 3: circling and we look up and said, man, this motherfucker
Speaker 3: real close to the ring. Yes, yes, and they're like, man,
Speaker 3: ship the fuck up? You just drunk? I said, no, man,
Speaker 3: motherfuck up on want of them gliders up here. About
Speaker 3: an hour later, the motherfucker's in the ring. But I've
Speaker 3: been Oh, I'll tell you a funny story about boxing.
Speaker 3: I'm with Magic Michael Patrick Ewing and they're all like
Speaker 3: early in my career. I'm a young buck on the
Speaker 3: totem pole. They make me go get drinks and I
Speaker 3: come back and taxon already. I knocked this motherfucker out.
Speaker 1: You missed the fight?
Speaker 3: Are you fucking see us? Right now? These motherfuckers are
Speaker 3: laughing at me. I'm walking there with two buckets of
Speaker 3: popcorn and some drinks. I walked back fights over and
Speaker 3: they just fucking laughing at me. I'm sitting there like
Speaker 3: a y'all fuck this. I'm so man. I've been boxing.
Speaker 3: Football are my two favorite sports, because you know, I
Speaker 3: played football for one day and I did one day.
Speaker 3: I did one day. I was like, now, not doing
Speaker 3: this ship. I was sitting there, bleeding hands, all beat up,
Speaker 3: everything hurts, what position, defensive tackle? I'm sitting there, I'm exhausted,
Speaker 3: I'm bleeding a couple of places, head hurting coaches. I
Speaker 3: see y'all tomorrow. All right, I'm doing this shit tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this shit tomorrow. No, hell don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm done, and I like coach, So take my shower,
Speaker 3: pull my ship up. That's a coach. This ain't for me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was taking that the other night when that young
Speaker 3: kid Lamar got hurt.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: The reason football and boxing on my favorite sports. It
Speaker 3: take coverage to go out there, sir. You can't be
Speaker 3: soft and play football or box you cannot. And so
Speaker 3: that's why they are my two favorite sports. Like I
Speaker 3: tried it for one day and I'm like, yeah, this
Speaker 3: ship is not for me. And that's why I admire
Speaker 3: football player and boxers. I said, you can be soft
Speaker 3: and play basketball, but there's no soft football players or boxers.
Speaker 3: You can get hurt in those sports every single time
Speaker 3: you lay them up and that's why they are my
Speaker 3: two favorite sports. You can't you can't play boxing.
Speaker 4: But since I would show time and I do a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff at boxing, I would like to invite
Speaker 4: just one of the fights coming up.
Speaker 3: Got a good card coming up the rest of this year,
Speaker 3: So like to invite you. You know, first of all,
Speaker 3: I'll take you up on that. Don't they bothers me
Speaker 3: about boxing? These dudes won't fight each other. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it really pisses me off because you know, I look
Speaker 3: at Ali. I'm afraid he had three. They had three.
Speaker 3: You don't. And I don't understand why you don't want
Speaker 3: to fight the best, Like I would want to know
Speaker 3: who's better, who's better? Hey, and let me say if
Speaker 3: you beat me, let me get my ass back in
Speaker 3: the gym and see if I can get better.
Speaker 4: And I hate people say, well, this is the Floyd era.
Speaker 4: Floyd for everybody, Floyd for everybody. He didn't dunck Nobody's
Speaker 4: for everybody.
Speaker 3: The only thing problem I have at Floyd he waited
Speaker 3: too late to fight pack that, but he did everybody. Everybody.
Speaker 3: These young boys said, they all want to be undefeated. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they want to Oh and I don't understand though, because
Speaker 3: I would want to say, hey, he beat me the
Speaker 3: first time. I got better and beat him the second time.
Speaker 3: Now let's have and that's you want. Can you imagine
Speaker 3: it in our sport if somebody said, well we wanted
Speaker 3: the East, We're good the West. Yeah, like no, we're
Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference champions. We got got it. Yeah that
Speaker 3: ain't good enough. But man, so that's the only thing
Speaker 3: that bothers me about boxing. But I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: hopefully they'll get back to it.
Speaker 1: Obviously you probably met everybody in the world. But who's
Speaker 1: the coolest person you got a chance to meet?
Speaker 3: But Denzel was great. Jack Nicholson was great guy that
Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson. Uh. When I met Sam Jackson for the
Speaker 3: first time, it was I still want to meet you
Speaker 3: know in these commercials, we uh Willan Nelson, isn't it?
Speaker 3: And I told Spike, I said, Spike, why in the
Speaker 3: hell did you tell me you were gonna be with
Speaker 3: will and Nelson? I want to meet WILLI Nelson? Uh
Speaker 3: Idris Elba, I want to meet him. I met Edie
Speaker 3: Murphy one time. It was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said you met Snoop one time.
Speaker 3: I was excited to meet Snoop. I mean it's not often.
Speaker 3: I met doctor Dre a long time ago, you know,
Speaker 3: snoopid living legend. It was pretty cool to meet him.
Speaker 3: I want to meet him and.
Speaker 4: Them if anybody get a chance to hang out with you,
Speaker 4: because I had a chance to hang out with you
Speaker 4: the Big Three.
Speaker 3: As soon as I walk to my wife and chanced
Speaker 3: to speak to him. Good. As soon as you say, Jack, hey,
Speaker 3: he's been me telling me the boy's hey, man, we're
Speaker 3: in the same fraternity. Anybody is in my fraternity, We're good.
Speaker 3: You know what it takes to get to the NBA
Speaker 3: both and after. Yeah, But you know, like if you
Speaker 3: get to the game, I'm like, I respect that, because
Speaker 3: like the way this thing works is we all play
Speaker 3: high school a couple more, only a couple move home. Yeah,
Speaker 3: get to college, play there even less. Then to get
Speaker 3: then you get to the Big Boy even less. And
Speaker 3: if you get there, you're like, damn man, much respect.
Speaker 3: You got to the dance and everybody's trying to get
Speaker 3: to the dance.
Speaker 1: If everybody in the world, the whole world, the whole world.
Speaker 4: Final question, if you could see anyone on our show,
Speaker 4: who would it be?
Speaker 1: But you have to help us get your answer on
Speaker 1: the show. We had everybody on your show already. So,
Speaker 1: but you went to college with someone we really want.
Speaker 1: Yeah who you watched this high school football game?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Does he do interviews? He does not. He does not.
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what I will call boy. You
Speaker 3: have my word? Thank you appreciate that. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: You have my word. I will reach out to both.
Speaker 1: Appreciate big fan he did each other and I ask
Speaker 1: him and he'll like kind of laugh around it. So
Speaker 1: if maybe if you put the pressure on, it's a
Speaker 1: good dude man. Seemed like a great nose podcast. Does
Speaker 1: he hopefully have my word?
Speaker 3: I'll reach out to would be huge?
Speaker 2: Ya?
Speaker 3: Who else?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Oh, Samuel.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm looking up to Samuel because I'm starting my
Speaker 4: acting lately late forty four. He didn't win his Oscar
Speaker 4: to the year ago sixty something, So yeah, I look
Speaker 4: up to him.
Speaker 3: Samuel Jack.
Speaker 1: Anybody in your Rolodex will do anybody in Roodex, dude?
Speaker 3: You know so the thing I like Spike, so uh oh, Spike,
Speaker 3: for sure, it's easy. We ain't have Spike either, that's easy.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you this. When they when they approached
Speaker 3: me four years ago. Uh, they pushed me in Earnest says,
Speaker 3: you guys want to do a podcast. I'm like, nope, nope, nope,
Speaker 3: I don't want to do no podcast. And I'm like no,
Speaker 3: And then we were in the middle of the pandemic.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what, these motherfuckers are still paying us. Let's
Speaker 3: help him out. The best decision I made. I'm talking
Speaker 3: to motherfuckers. Cool. They never in my life. We had
Speaker 3: doctor Fauci.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: We had to Chef Andreas on last week. We got
Speaker 3: Salid Field on next week, this week, next week, next week.
Speaker 3: You know we've had you guys, you guys, you should
Speaker 3: have on his Messiah Jerry unbelievable. Oh yeah, we had
Speaker 3: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. We had Curby Smart on last week.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of thinking we've been doing it. But ben
Speaker 3: people to learn about somebody that you would never cross
Speaker 3: paths with. It's pretty interesting and that it was one
Speaker 3: of the best decisions. And just like you guys said
Speaker 3: to me, they'd be throwing names out there, we're gonna
Speaker 3: try to get this person. We're gonna try to and
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, that'll be cool. And uh so yeah,
Speaker 3: keep doing it and getting crazy people on there, like
Speaker 3: there's people you was like, I ain't no way in
Speaker 3: the hell I thought I'd be sitting in the room
Speaker 3: with you getting to ask you questions. And it's pretty special, man,
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: But also even you know, having you when something we
Speaker 1: looked up to our whole life, get to have an
Speaker 1: in depth conversation with you. Normally it's superficial or surface
Speaker 1: because we don't have that kind of time. But for
Speaker 1: you to sit down and really chap in.
Speaker 3: Two hours because I don't do these because I got
Speaker 3: a lot of love and respect for both of y'all.
Speaker 3: The only reason I'm doing it because I don't do
Speaker 3: sit downs. Because number one, I'm like, fuck, I need
Speaker 3: you to watch me. I don't want to give all
Speaker 3: my ship away, at all my ship away. I want
Speaker 3: you to watch me. He mopucker pay me to get
Speaker 3: people to watch and if I go on TV, everybody
Speaker 3: show Yeah, I said no, I said, but I said,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, let's make it work. And I'm glad because
Speaker 3: when we when we when you first hit me, I
Speaker 3: was like, fuck, I'm shooting commercials and I said, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm so glad y'all were able to stay because I
Speaker 3: was like, Man, I because you know, you know, when
Speaker 3: you shoot a commercial, you show up like seven in
Speaker 3: the morning, get out of there like nine at night.
Speaker 1: God said, Chuck, we make any day work, you just and.
Speaker 3: I said, hey, let's make it work. So thank you, brother, man,
Speaker 3: appreciate it. He We got some for you. And Man,
Speaker 3: I like free ship and I know you like gear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can get that all the smoke gear
Speaker 4: at All the Smoke Store if you would like to
Speaker 4: be fresh like the O G.
Speaker 3: Chuck All the Smoke Store. Man, Chuck.
Speaker 1: We again, we appreciate you, man. We appreciate the path
Speaker 1: you've you've opened up for a lot of us. Again,
Speaker 1: you know, you fell on it upon the women. You've
Speaker 1: mastered it and you continue to get better. And we
Speaker 1: look up to people like you and look up to
Speaker 1: you in particular, and we appreciate everything you've done for
Speaker 1: the game, everything you've done post career.
Speaker 3: So thank you very much for that. Oh you oh
Speaker 3: ohe it the games giving me everything. Yeah, I want
Speaker 3: to share it. Yeah, thank you. That's a rap. Charles
Speaker 3: Barkley All the Smoke.
Speaker 1: You can catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the
Speaker 1: iHeart platform black effects. This one's probably gonna come on
Speaker 1: linear TV, though, so you're gonna be able to catch
Speaker 1: this one on showtime. So we'll see y'all next week.
Speaker 3: Peace,