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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke, Atlanta Day two.

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Speaker 3: Day two.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday was a good day, man, man. We always killing

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Speaker 1: them left and then we finished it off at your house,

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Speaker 1: laughing and joking yep. And then man, today special we

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Speaker 1: finally got a chance to finish the inside the NBA

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Speaker 1: roster off. Yes, yes, and it's only right man. We

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Speaker 1: finished with the one and only Charles Barkley.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, thank you a man, some one. I just

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Speaker 3: want to say, I'm proud of you guys. Mab I'm

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Speaker 3: proud of you your success. I mean, not the NBA

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Speaker 3: because that's that's just talent. But you have to find

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Speaker 3: a way to figure out, like how am I gonna

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Speaker 3: make money the rest of my life? So I'm proud

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Speaker 3: of y'all. Man, keep doing y'all things, and thanks for

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Speaker 3: having me. Thanks paving the way. Y'all had a big

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Speaker 3: ass check in here. Yeah, we had to check it.

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Speaker 4: Have him at a sports ball because you know, he

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Speaker 4: wanted to eat while we did the interview.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, is he the biggest fifty year old kid?

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Speaker 2: Kid?

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Speaker 3: After Civilization?

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Speaker 1: I played with Shaq on the saying he was walking

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Speaker 1: around naked, tackling trainers, naked, fucking with like Shaq was

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Speaker 1: a menace. But as soon as the ball went up,

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Speaker 1: it all switched.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: We can be walking around the studio mind our own business.

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Speaker 3: That big motherfucker just talk reason and he's not little neither.

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Speaker 3: He's huge, he's the biggest human being in the world,

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Speaker 3: in the world, in the world. But he got a

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Speaker 3: pure heart. Man Greg got a great relationship with a Chuck.

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Speaker 4: I'm in court for a traffic ticket and I had

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Speaker 4: something else in my car and I'm standing there thinking,

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Speaker 4: don't know what's about to happen. The judge like standing

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Speaker 4: mister Jackson. He's like, you've me a second, Like, you

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Speaker 4: know this guy is Shock on FaceTime.

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Speaker 3: They dropped all my art.

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Speaker 1: Talking to the judge.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the judge just said holdo. As soon as I

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Speaker 4: sat down, He's like, stand up for a second. Didn't

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Speaker 4: even say nothing to me. Called Shaq. He's like, you

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Speaker 4: know this guy is Shaq making a face on face

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Speaker 4: time and they dropped all my charger.

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Speaker 3: You know, Shock. It's the most random dude. Like one

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Speaker 3: day we sit in the studio, he's like, Yo, say hello.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, who say hello? It's doctor Phil Shock. He

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Speaker 3: FaceTime in doctor Phild and then like uh, one time

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Speaker 3: he's like, my man Run who's like the animal expert,

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Speaker 3: Like he said hey, say hello, and I'm like, who

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Speaker 3: is it? This time it's Run the expert from down

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Speaker 3: in Florida. I mean he is so funny, Like, dude,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Shaq being a big human.

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Speaker 3: You look good.

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Speaker 1: We just noticed you said, yeah, you finally got your

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Speaker 3: Man, you know what it's getting weird. I'll be sixty,

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Speaker 3: And I had gotten really fat, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: you're like sixty seventy eighty pounds overweight. So right now

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Speaker 1: Hey, and get back to change your diet or you

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Speaker 1: got to change your diet.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying like tough. Well, you know it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: What's really weird? I only eat rice, corn and potatoes,

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Speaker 3: so I'm trying to eat Brussels sprouts. It's only two

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Speaker 3: So you know, I like, like, okra, I'm not eating

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Speaker 3: I said, you got to eat because you can't at

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Speaker 3: when I was in my prime, I told people my

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Speaker 3: pregame meal. I got two fish fil as, a large

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Speaker 3: fry and a die Coke. That was my pregame.

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Speaker 1: You fished off with the diet coke.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to diet coke. I was like, let

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Speaker 3: me watch this down with a die But was it

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Speaker 3: It was like after practice, you're driving home, I'm like man,

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Speaker 3: let me pick up me two fish fil as, a

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Speaker 3: Take my pregame, AP, I'm good to go. Right now.

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Speaker 3: You pass McDonald's, you gain weight. You don't even look

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Speaker 1: Man recently signed a ten year mega extension with tn

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Speaker 1: t F and graduations. Talk to us about that procescuse

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was true rumors that the

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Speaker 3: And I had no problem with Live. I told my

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Speaker 3: we're not the Morrow police. The United States do business

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Speaker 3: with China, the NBA do business with China, Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 3: and everything like that. Don't fall for the selective outrage.

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Speaker 3: And I said, go take that money. You got to

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Speaker 3: take care of your family. I ain't gonna say, hey,

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Speaker 3: don't take money from here here, I said, because the

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Speaker 3: people actually knew where all their money came from, nobody

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Speaker 3: would be working. Thanks. Yeah, fact, that's facts. And I said,

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Speaker 3: so TNT called me in because my magic number was

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Speaker 3: sixty right around there, you know, I've been so lucky

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Speaker 3: and blessed. I played in the NBA for sixteen years,

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Speaker 3: been on television for twenty two going on twenty three. Paid. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I'm saying, if I don't have enough money by now,

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Speaker 3: If I ain't got enough cash by now, I said, guys,

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Speaker 3: I'm winding down because one thing I'm very realistic about.

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Speaker 3: When I'm around old NBA players, I know my shit

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Speaker 3: ain't gonna be working later, but I don't care. I've

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Speaker 3: I got the privilege to be Charles Barkley and the

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Speaker 3: greatest life ever. But whatever happens down the line, because

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Speaker 3: I got to be at my mama house, my grandmother house.

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Speaker 3: I got to send my nieces to college. I've lived

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Speaker 3: I could drop dead next week. It is what it is.

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Speaker 3: I ain't upset about that I've lived sixty years a

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Speaker 3: and they said to me, listen, this is the deal.

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Speaker 3: keep working, we want to sign for ten years. I said,

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Speaker 3: there's no chance I'm gonna fucking be here in ten years.

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Speaker 3: I'm fucking seventy years old. And I said, I will

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Speaker 3: stay through the transition if y'all bid on the NBA.

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Speaker 3: And I said, cause you guys have been great to me,

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Speaker 3: So I signed for ten years. I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: zero chance I'm gonna make it for ten years, but

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Speaker 3: those negotiations are going to start in the next year.

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Speaker 3: And like I said, it's probably gonna be the thing

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Speaker 3: the NFL. I think the NBA is gonna listen to Apple.

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Speaker 3: number could be way more than three or four billion

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Speaker 3: I'll stay through the transition. I was happy to sign

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Speaker 3: a deal because they were great. But man, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've been so lucky. I want to thank Dick ever

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Speaker 3: What I'm gonna do, what I'm gonna do. And I

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Speaker 3: at the table with Bird. Imagine those guys. Hey, yeah,

426
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 3: am I a great player? Yes I am. I understand that,

427
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: But there are levels and there's tables to this thing.

428
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: Steph went up last year, yep, like he was already

429
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 3: in the room. He got to come over like Isaiah Thomas.

430
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: He like, yeah, okay, Steph, come on over now. Yeah,

431
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 3: come on over now. I said, like, okay, because Ai,

432
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: Isaiah John Stock and those are probably three best little

433
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: guys ever to play the game. And Steph was an

434
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 3: all time guy. But now he gets to move over

435
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: like in the Isaiah category. Yes, yes, yeah, so man.

436
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 3: But and I tell him, I said, but I don't

437
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: mind these guys like I. But is he the only

438
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 3: thing I hate about? To be honest with you, the

439
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: motherfuckers special KD Kobe guys like that. I did all

440
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: time great. But the only time I've ever gotten mad

441
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: at those two guys because me and Kobe had to

442
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: stay one night. Remember that game where he wouldn't shoot.

443
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: We had that game that night. I remember seeing that

444
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 3: and Kobe starts texting me calling me motherfucker, asshole, a

445
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 3: bit jack. It was one of the funniest things ever.

446
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: So we got that game, and I see, yo, man,

447
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 3: as much as I love Kobe Brown, when he did

448
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 3: tonight was total bs. He wouldn't shoot each other. I

449
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 3: think he took one shot in the second half and

450
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't like that. Ernest said, what

451
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: do you mean? He was trying to prove a point.

452
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: They were getting their ass kicked. He don't have a

453
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 3: lot of help, I said, but that's what separates him

454
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: from Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan were like when he played

455
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 3: against her, help He's like, now I'm gonna get sixty.

456
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: Kobe was trying to prove a point. I didn't have

457
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: no help. So he starts texting me after the game.

458
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 3: So you know, we get off around one to two

459
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 3: in the morning. He texted me like twenty five times,

460
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: called me every name in the book, and I'm texting

461
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: it back. Yo man, pick up the phone and call me.

462
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: No fuck you, fuck you, motherfucker. Fuck you, but just

463
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 3: bullshit what you said? We go ba. I mean. He

464
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 3: called me like and this goes on for like two

465
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 3: three hours, and I said, Yo man, I'm tired. I'm

466
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 3: going to bed. Fuck you motherfucker. Go to bed, and

467
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: it ss. He texted me probably twenty times, and it

468
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 3: was just motherfucker, motherfucker, motherfucker. And he said, we see

469
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 3: each other like months, ladies. Man, I'm sorry, I said, man,

470
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: you know what, it's all good. You allowed to vent.

471
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 3: We hug each other. That's basically what he was doing. Yeah,

472
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: and then we hugged each other and we were always cool.

473
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: But it's never personal. I just didn't like what he

474
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: did that night. But the point I was going to

475
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: make is these guys, like when I said I had

476
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 3: been saying for three years that dude is the best

477
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: basketball player in the world. He never called me and

478
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: said thank you. These guys, I said nine great things

479
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: about the one, not one like Charles, thank you for

480
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: the kind words. Hey, I never get that text. You know,

481
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: KT played like ship tonight, Hey fuck you Charles Barkley.

482
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: I'm getting that on Twitter and things like that. So

483
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: that's the only time I get mad. I get mad.

484
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 3: Then I laughed. They never called me and said, hey man,

485
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: thank you kind word. But if I say one bad day,

486
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 3: I said nine great things one they go and that's yeah,

487
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: that's the time. That's the only time I get mad.

488
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: Why don't you have a text me saying great. What

489
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: I'm saying, how great you are? Right? Thank you?

490
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: Question you mentioned Skip Baylis obviously recently with the unfortunate

491
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: situation that have went tomar Hamlin on the bills, he

492
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: just had an untimely tweet and I think he thought

493
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: that he could say some bullshit and then say something

494
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: kind of you know, meaningful at the end and we

495
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't see through the bullshit that was brought to attention.

496
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: But then also the way he's just kind of been

497
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: disrespecting his co host and you have to see Shannon

498
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: kind of take it to the breath every once in

499
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: a while. What is just your take on what he

500
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: is doing and just how disrespectful I feel like he

501
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: is to players, And now his co host is.

502
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 3: Open, So I really I don't like the guy. Because

503
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 3: television a very powerful weapon, right, very powerful. One of

504
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: my mentors is Mike Wilboden. He's one by it. I admire,

505
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: really respect and because he did my last three books

506
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: and he's become like a big brother, father figure. But

507
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: he said something very interesting to me, and I already

508
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: knew it. He says, man being on television is crazy.

509
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: I said, what do you mean? He says, I've been

510
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: into Washington Post for twenty five years. Did it all?

511
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: Nobody in the world knew who I was. I go

512
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: on TV for a year. I can't go nowhere without

513
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: people running up on me. And I said, man, TV

514
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: is amazing, Like it's such like everybody know who's on television,

515
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: especially if you're successful, you're on television a lot. It

516
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: is really a big like everybody watched television and skip

517
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 3: to me when these guys are real people. And I

518
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: don't mind you criticizing guys. It can never be personal, right,

519
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: And one thing I hate about the media. You can

520
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: tell guys they like and dislike. You can't talk about

521
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 3: people on television like that. He had to be fair

522
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 3: and honest with people, and I think he is. You

523
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: can tell who he likes, you can tell who he

524
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: dislikes because he makes it personal. Like you can't say

525
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: bad stuff about Lebron James.

526
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 4: But everything out your mouth can't be bad. Yes, you

527
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. It's impossible. It's impossible. It's impossible.

528
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 4: And I've said this before.

529
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: I think Lebron James is the greatest sports story of

530
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: all time. You know, you look at Kobe, Kevin Garnett,

531
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: Tracy McGrady. I think those probably three of the greatest

532
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: straight to high school players. Yes, Dwight, yeah he's great,

533
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: but they all struggled in the beginning. He's been in

534
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: his prime since they one day one. That's why I

535
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: said for him to come into the NBA at eighteen

536
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: years old. He was really good. We had this game

537
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: I think on tn TM, Yes, he played really good.

538
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: But in this generation with social media, he's never gotten

539
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: in trouble. He's lived up to all the hype, brought

540
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: his boys along. Yes, I think it's probably the greatest

541
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: story in sports history. Agree, Like, I'm like to beat

542
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: the number one, be as good from eighteen and never

543
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: really get in trouble in this society where people are

544
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: out to get you phones everywhere everywhere. I think it's

545
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: probably the greatest sports story of all time. I mean,

546
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: it's just amazing what he's accomplished, what he's did and

547
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: never gotten in trouble. But to skips disrespect toward him,

548
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: I do not like it the way he's treating Shannon. Clearly, Hey,

549
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 3: Tom Brady is to go, we get that, get it.

550
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: You don't have to like your manah right, like that

551
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: But first of all, this dude in the Hall of Fame,

552
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: he won three Super Bowls night chop Liver. He ain't

553
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: chop Liver, but he is. He's been rewarded so much

554
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 3: for doing that. Yeah, the way he has made his

555
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: money and made his living, I have a problem with it, because, man,

556
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: if you make it to the pros, you a hell

557
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: of a player. Period. I tell people, hey, is everybody

558
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: Lebron or kd No, But that number twelve guy on

559
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: the NBA team, his journey is amazing. If you get

560
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: to be one of the best four hundred basketball players

561
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: in the world.

562
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: And less than five thousand to ever even play in

563
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: the Yes, And man.

564
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: I love these guys. That's a little stupid ball. It's

565
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: given me every single thing in my life. I ain't

566
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: never had no real job and don't want one, don't

567
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: I admire these dudes who go men and women who

568
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: work nine to five and they're doing it for twenty

569
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: seven thousand dollars a year with a smile on. And

570
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, I admire you, But I don't want

571
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: that shit. I want to driple that little stupid ass

572
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: ball up and down the court. I want to stay

573
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: in the four Seasons in the Risk card, I want

574
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: to travel the country. I tell these guys, man, we're

575
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: the luckiest dudes in the world far. Whenever I get

576
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: ready to kill over, I just want to be able

577
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: to say thank you, big fella. I can't believe this.

578
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: I like, man, because of that little stupid ass ball,

579
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: I don't seen the world. I remember one time I

580
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: was sitting at the White House with President Obama because

581
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: I'm my hometown only got a couple thousand people. I'm

582
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: from Leeds, Alabama. Shout out to Leeds a couple thousand people,

583
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: and growing up in the projects, I'm thinking, like, I

584
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: ain't even thinking about sports. I only started playing basketball

585
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: because I want to go to college for free. Never

586
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: thought I was gonna make it to the NBA. And

587
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: I was like sometimes when I go home and visit,

588
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I grew up in that project

589
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: right over there, and I'm like, because of that little

590
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: stupid ass ball, I'm like, I can't believe. Sixty years

591
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: later and I was just sitting there looking at him,

592
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, Wow, this is crazy. A little kid from Leed's,

593
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: Alabama's in the White House and I got one of

594
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: my most prized possessions. I was laughing. He said, Chuck,

595
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: you've been in the Oval Office. I said, oh yeah,

596
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: we go there all the time. I said, mister President,

597
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: hell no, I ain't never been to the office. And

598
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: there's a picture. He says, let me show you the

599
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: Oval office. And you know, he always with a photographer.

600
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: And I didn't even notice the photographer. To be honest

601
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: with you. A month later, it's a picture got on

602
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: my wall. Cherish it. It's me and him standing in

603
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: the Oval Office. And I can say I didn't even

604
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: notice that the photographer. He ain't up his ass. He's

605
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: like standing back taking pictures with the president. And President

606
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: Obama sent me this picture of me and him stad

607
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: and I remember getting to text from all my friends

608
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: telling me like, yo, man, we're so proud of you.

609
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell are you talking about. They're like,

610
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: you know, man, there's a picture on the internet that

611
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: you and President Obama in the over Office. I said,

612
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it. And it came like a month

613
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: or two later, and when I got the picture, I'm like, damn, man,

614
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: this is so crazy and awesome. My little hometown seeing

615
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: me in the over Office with the President of the

616
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: United States, a black president of the United States, with

617
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: all the recial bullshit that went on in Alabama. They're like,

618
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: a black president you in the Oval office from a

619
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: town a couple thousand people. It was amazing. It's amazing.

620
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: Since you're speaking on Leeds.

621
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 4: How difficult was it growing up there, you know, doing

622
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: the Jim Crow era and all that.

623
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: Why he was trying to figure yourself out as a kid.

624
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. We didn't even feel any of that,

625
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, because it's so small. But

626
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: now that I look back, Jack ship is crazy and

627
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: you don't even know it because the kids, we don't know.

628
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: That's like we didn't even know we were poor, Like

629
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: we didn't even know we were poor. Because but the

630
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: ship is crazy now that I think about it. Man,

631
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: we had a black and a white homecoming queen. Really yeah, wow, seriously,

632
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: and the ship is crazy. You're like, I guess they

633
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: didn't want no drama. They didn't want no drama, you think.

634
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, I don't. I can't prove it,

635
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 3: but they're like, no, We're gonna have a black and

636
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 3: a white homecoming queen. What's crazy? Like, dude, we're taping

637
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: this here in Atlanta. It was a controversy, like in

638
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Well, the kids wanted to

639
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: uh have a one prom and some of the parents like,

640
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 3: hell no, I mean so so racism exists, always has,

641
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: always will and you just have to deal with the

642
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: BS as I call it. But like these kids like, yeah,

643
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: we don't want this shit anymore. We're gonna have one problem,

644
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: And some of the parents are like, no, we're not.

645
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: And it was right here in Georgia. Stuck. They stuck

646
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 3: in their ways. But so but I a couple of

647
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: things about Leeds. It was a great place to grow up,

648
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: even though all hell was breaking loose in Birmingham. We're

649
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: about twenty to thirty minutes from Birmingham. You know, we

650
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: had the church bombing in Birmingham. Sell Us right up

651
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: the street, Montgomery's right up a couple hours away. My

652
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: grandmother told me about it later, but we didn't know,

653
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: I mean because we got the rabbit as on the TV.

654
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: So you're not really getting world view right. But my grandmother,

655
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: the greatest person ever in my life. She made me

656
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 3: learn who Nelson Mandela was. She made me learn who

657
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: doctor King was. She made me learn, make me learn

658
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: who Mecca Evers is. She was such a great woman.

659
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 3: But the one thing she always talked to me about

660
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: was race. She says, Now, listen, judge people, she said,

661
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: cause there are a lot of great white people out here.

662
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: She says, you don't grow up believing it's us against them.

663
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: She says, these white people who in my life, they're amazing.

664
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: And that was really important, Like, because there are a

665
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: lot of black people who are full of shit, who

666
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: like they're not They're like they're black, but they're not

667
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: helping our race, and there are a lot of white

668
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: people out there who are helping our race. I actually

669
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: learned what was really cool for me. There's a great

670
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: civil rights hero named ct Vivian who passed away in

671
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. When I was doing my

672
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 3: documentary on race Dead a few years ago, he says, now, y'ass,

673
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: I want you to remember something. I know you're trying

674
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: to bring the races together. I want you to know

675
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: there's always been a lot of race people being racial together.

676
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: I said, what do you mean, mister Bibby, And he says,

677
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: you know, when we talk about civil rights, we talk

678
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 3: about most majority of other black people, you know, doctor

679
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: King and those guys like that. He said, I want

680
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 3: you to let you know that there was a lot

681
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: of great white people marching with us got killed and thinks,

682
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: I said, mister Bibby, and I promise you, I'll make

683
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 3: sure people know that. And that was really cool because

684
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: our and our you know, you know, Jack, we get

685
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: and I'm part of the business too. We're in the

686
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: media business. Man, we get beat over the head so

687
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: much on negativity because it's really crazy. The negativity sells thanks,

688
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: you know. I was, me and Ernie were talking about

689
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: me and Ernie have a podcast, and I was we

690
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: were talking about Demor Hamlin and I said, man, I

691
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 3: was so touched by I think they've up to about

692
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 3: seven eight million dollars ten million. It's ten close to ten,

693
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: I says, man, there's so many great people out here,

694
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: But in our business, we don't talk about the great people.

695
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: We tell like, hey, hey, get on TV and talk

696
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: bad about your coach and other players. We'll put you

697
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: on TV. But that's and unfortunately that's the world we

698
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: live in in the media. Like Prince Harry, I don't

699
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 3: know this dude, Like, yeah, trash, your brother trash, the King,

700
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: prash trash everybody like, yeah, we're gonna put you on

701
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: every TV show. And I don't know if he's telling

702
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: the truth or not. I don't judge that that's his truth,

703
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 3: but I'm like, yeah, if you're gonna talk bad about

704
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: the future King of England, talk bad about your dad

705
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: who's the king of England, talk bad about your stepmother, Like,

706
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: we're gonna put you, We're gonna put you on TV,

707
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: on every network. You can write a book. That's the

708
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 3: world we live in now. Like I say, I don't

709
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: know this dude, but we don't talk enough about positive

710
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 3: and we just I'm like, yo, man, white people, black people,

711
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: all types of people gave this dude close to ten

712
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: million dollars that you say, and they don't know him,

713
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: but that touched everybody, and I wish that we would.

714
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: I wish positively sell more than negativity. I say this

715
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: all the time, like two things.

716
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 4: People will tell you, dang, you're giving you giving back somebody,

717
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 4: but why you posting it? But then again, if I

718
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 4: don't post it, you say, I ain't doing nothing for

719
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 4: the community.

720
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you know what I'm saying. It's like crazy,

721
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: you posted, you're thirsty for it, but if you don't

722
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: post it, you ain't doing them.

723
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: But then again, it's like a lot of people don't

724
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 4: understand man.

725
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: It's like we just had this conversation number one. First

726
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: of all, one hundred percent correct. I'm gonna tell you why.

727
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: So my goal I've been given a million dollars a

728
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: year away to charity. So I started out at my

729
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: high school because I want the kids to go to college.

730
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 3: And I went to my college Auburn, then at Warriager Brother,

731
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: and I did Wounded Warriors, But the last eight years

732
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 3: I did HBCUs and I just did another one about

733
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: two weeks ago. And Kenny says, Ernie, can you repeat that?

734
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 3: He says, yeah, Chuck, Chuck just gave another couple of

735
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: million dollars to Jackson State. Jackson State and Bethune Cookman

736
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: ready to shout out to Reggie theisters, the head coach there.

737
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: And Kenny says, can you repeat that again? Ernie says, yeah,

738
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 3: Chuck just gave his eight million dollars to HBCU. He says, Chuck,

739
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: why don't you tell people? I says, I want to

740
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: do it because it's I want to give back, he says.

741
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: He said, and that's the problem. Chuck does all this.

742
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 3: He don't tell anybody. I said, yeah, if I tell everybody,

743
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: gonna be like Chuck always braging about how much money

744
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 3: to get a charity. So I don't tell anybody. Yeah,

745
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: He's like, he don't do shit for the blackmmunity said.

746
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: I said, Yo, man, I'm not. As I tell my daughter,

747
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 3: I said, let me tell you something. Don't you ever

748
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: get these idiots power over you. If somebody said, like,

749
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: I'm going back way back when she's a young kid,

750
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: shout out to my little grandson. Just became a grandpa.

751
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 3: You know. Ernie and Clark Kellogg, two of the greatest

752
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: people I've ever known, said, man, being a grandpa gonna

753
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: be the greatest thing ever happened to you. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, okay,

754
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: And I'm like it's gonna be good. I know. I

755
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: called both of those guys. I said, all right, man,

756
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: this is the greatest thing you ever have to be

757
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: in my entire life. Shout out to little Henry. It's

758
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me. And

759
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: I'm wanted to see my daughter as a grown person.

760
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: But the point I was making was I told her,

761
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: if somebody criticizes you, says bad thanks to you, you

762
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: just keep walking, keep doing great in school, you'd be

763
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: a great person. You already broke my heart and we

764
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: didn't play basketball. I was like, to dude, it was

765
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 3: so crazy, Jack. My daughter went to Villanova and Columbia.

766
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: She's a great person. She's a really nice person and

767
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: a great person. She's gonna be it. She's a great

768
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: wife and a great mom. Really proud of her. But

769
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 3: I got to tell you something, man. So my daughter,

770
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: she was like two years old. She was like six

771
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: feet tall, and I'm like, I'm gonna have the best

772
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: female basketball player in the world. I can't wait to

773
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: teach her shit, I says, I'm gonna send her to

774
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 3: the best camps. I'm gonna work with her during the summer.

775
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 3: I'm all pumped. Six feet tall, full five six seven

776
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: eight nine ten. I'm like, come on, girl, be a

777
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: teenager so i can teach you all my shit. How

778
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: she become a teenager, I say, hey, you're gonna are

779
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: you ready? We started playing. I don't think she liked basketball,

780
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 3: said Christiana. When those girls get close to you pop them, Dad,

781
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: I might hurt them. Say yeah, that's the objective. I'm

782
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: bigger than they are. I'm like, yeah, that's an advantage.

783
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

784
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, hey, can we get together after school today? Yeah,

785
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: of course, that what we're gonna talk about. As you

786
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 3: like basketball? Oh Dad, I don't like sports? Yeah right there?

787
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 3: What do you mean I don't like sports? Okay, okay,

788
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: just be a good person. I love you. You're the greatest.

789
00:43:53,680 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: I love you. Go in the room like sports like basketball.

790
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: And after I cried, I got over it, and I

791
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 3: said and I told my friends, I say, yo, man,

792
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: my daughter just crushed me today. She told me she

793
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 3: don't like sports. And I said, but you know what,

794
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: she's a great person. She's a straight a student and

795
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: proud of the woman she is. But man, I was like,

796
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 3: I spent my you know, I'm writing down notes teaching

797
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: her to jump, hook up and under I'm gonna work

798
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 3: with her on her footwork. She's like, oh damn, I

799
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 3: don't like sports. It was brutal. I got five girls,

800
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: and so I know the feeling.

801
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: You stay at home for school Auburn, yes, any other

802
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 4: schools was coming at you and so through some big

803
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: bags your way.

804
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: No, no, the thing is crazy, and you guys don't

805
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 3: even know this. Man I grew. I wasn't even good

806
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: at basket of a girl spurt right. I went from

807
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: five to ten to sixty five in one year. I

808
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: did too, so nobody even knewho the hell I was

809
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: because they're like, I'm not on anybody's radar, and no

810
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 3: schools will recruit me. I'm a five to ten backup

811
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: point guard. Oh yeah, I'm back back up too. I'm

812
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: not even no good. I ain't no good, And so

813
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: then it's too late to get recruited. So then only

814
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: Alabama already UAB is recruiting me because everybody's already signed.

815
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: So I'm leaning toward you because I'm really close to

816
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: my mother and grandmother. Rest in peace, ladies, Thank y'all,

817
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: love y'all, misch y'all. So only three schools, big schools

818
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 3: are recruiting me, So uabas in Birmingham, so it's right there.

819
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 3: But they make it to the sweet sixteen and they

820
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 3: got everybody coming back. Then Tuscaloosa is close. They actually

821
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: make it to the sweet sixteen and got everybody coming back,

822
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 3: and they signed the best big man in the country

823
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: who's from Alabama, a guy named Bobbi Lee Hurt. And

824
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 3: it's wildly who was the best point guard in the country.

825
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: So then I go down to Auburn. Auburn's lost like

826
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: twelve games in a row, and I'm looking and I said,

827
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: these motherfuckers are awful. So me and the coach are

828
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 3: sitting there and I said, coach, you got a pin

829
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 3: on you. You know, people bugging me saying hello, signed

830
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: a couple of autographs, blah blah blah. I said, coach,

831
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: you got a pin on you. He says, oh, you

832
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: big time. You're gonna start signing autographs and shit, I said, no,

833
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: I'm signing up here. He said what he says, I'm

834
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: watching our team play. These motherfuckers ain't no good. I

835
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: can play here. And it turned into the best decision

836
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 3: ever going to Auburn. But Jack, I tell these dudes,

837
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: you know, I talk to players all the time. I said, listen,

838
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: don't talk to me about the education part, because if

839
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: you want a education, you're gonna get it. I said,

840
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: your number one criteria is when you're decide where you're

841
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 3: going to go to college, is playing time. I said,

842
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: because if you go, especially if you go way so

843
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 3: where away, if you don't get to play, there's gonna

844
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: be a miserable experience. Experience. Yeah, it's gonna be awful.

845
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 3: Your school word's gonna suck, but you're gonna be homesick.

846
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: Because what people don't understand is, man, everybody can play

847
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: in college. Everybody can play in college because when you're

848
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: in high school and you're a great player or a

849
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: really good player, you're only gonna play against five to

850
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: ten players who are on your level. But when you

851
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 3: go to college, everybody's on your level. Everybody's on your level.

852
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: When you go play Vanderbilt, like, damn, they got good players.

853
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: You go Mississippi State, I go Jeff Malone, kil Patrick Wells,

854
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: Dominique had Georgia, James Banks, Burn Fleming, Terry Fair, and

855
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: those guys Alabama had Bobbly Hurt, Eddie Phillips. So the

856
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: number one criteria like, yo, man, you need to get

857
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 3: to play. So Auburn gave me a great opportunity to play,

858
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: and I got to play right away as a freshman

859
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: and it was three great years and I loved it.

860
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 3: Any good stories from both with Bo Jackson well, so

861
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: we had a great high school football team. You know,

862
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: we all you know, all the jocks hang out. So

863
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: we played bowl's high school and Bows one of the

864
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: few athletes who the same size in high schools. He

865
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 3: was in Yeah, he was a monster in high school. Yes,

866
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 3: like everybody else get bigger when they go to college,

867
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: he was there already. Bowl We go play Bowls high

868
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: school and it was one of the most amazing things.

869
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: Like every time he touched the ball that he's just

870
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 3: scored or a broke, like a fifteen twenty yard run,

871
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: and it's like he's already bigger and faster than everybody else,

872
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 3: Like he's bigger than our defensive lineman. I mean, but

873
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 3: it was so beautiful to watch. And then he comes

874
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: to auburnd the next year, and I tell people, one

875
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: of the coolest things for me was get an opportunity

876
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: to watch that dude play football every Saturday in person.

877
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: And we're great friends to this day. But I just

878
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 3: liked being with that dude. But man, it was such

879
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: a it was a pleasure and an honor to watch

880
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: that dude play football every Saturday. That talented man. That's unbelievable.

881
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: Eighty four you go in the draft, you go number five,

882
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 4: same draft with MJ and the King. What was the

883
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 4: state of the league in eighty four when you came in?

884
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: You know, I spent the last couple of days with

885
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: Magic Johnson shooting the Capitol One commercials, And every time

886
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: I see him, I tell him thank you, because Mattie

887
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 3: Johnson and Larry Bird are the two most important figures

888
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: in NBA history. I agree, Well, people don't understand. To

889
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: answer your question, people look at this thing now where

890
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: guys are making thirty forty fifty million dollars. When I

891
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: came in, it was uh David Stearn's first year. The

892
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: average salary was two hundred thousand dollars. Magic and Bird,

893
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 3: those guys changed the entire trajectory of the NBA and

894
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: made it what it is today because Magic and I

895
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 3: told him the story, I says, and I'm playing with

896
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: doctor J. Moses. I remember the first time Magic when

897
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 3: he made a million dollars, we were going around high

898
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 3: five of each other. We couldn't believe an NBA player

899
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: made a million dollars. That was Magic. He's the first

900
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 3: player to make a million dollars. But year was that

901
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 3: it was eighty five, eighty six somewhere in there.

902
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: But he sounded like it was like a twenty.

903
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: Five years twenty five million, yeah, a million yeah, And

904
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: we like and Moses like, I'm not talking about regular

905
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: guys on the team. I'm talking like they had never

906
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: made a million dollars before. But it's all so the

907
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: state of the league was like two black, a bunch

908
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: of druggies, a bunch of thugs, Gay the finals will

909
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: tape the lads. That was only one game a week.

910
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 3: And it's all because of Magic and Bird who changed

911
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: the whole dynamic of the league. So every time I

912
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 3: see those guys, they I want them to know, Man,

913
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: thank you. It took a kid from Leeds to Alabama

914
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: to like I said, I was able to build my

915
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: mother and grandmother house. I was able to send all

916
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 3: my nieces nieces to college, my daughter to the best colleges.

917
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: Because one of the greatest travesers of this country, the

918
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: greatest country in the world, is what we charge these

919
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: kids to go to school. Ridiculous. It's ridiculous and a

920
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: joke because what we do is we eliminate probably seventy

921
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: eighty percent of kids who are probably smart enough yeah,

922
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 3: don't have the opportunity. They think they can't borrow that

923
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 3: much money for it. I mean, you know, my daughter

924
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: loved going to Villanova, loved it, she loved going to

925
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: Columbia grad school. There are a lot of kids who

926
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: probably just as smart as my daughter who got no

927
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 3: chance of going to Villanova or Colombia, but because of economics,

928
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: they can't go to those schools. So man, I wish

929
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: we could find a way to do something about that,

930
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: really help.

931
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: Very rare for a top five pick to join a

932
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: stable team. And you spoke to Moses's importance and doctor

933
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: j how important those two guys, and right off the

934
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: bat as soon as you landed in the league.

935
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 3: Moses is the best thing ever happened to me from

936
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 3: a basketball standpoint. So, Maddie, when I was in college,

937
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: I played about right at three hundred pounds. My weight

938
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: fluctuated between two ninety and three hundred. I was out.

939
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: You know, that's only one meal, so it's so I play.

940
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 3: I played about basically two ninety five, but I was

941
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: having success. I think, even to this day, I'm the

942
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: only person Gods didn't leave school early. You only left

943
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 3: after your junior year in my day. So I think

944
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: to this day, I'm still the only person to lead

945
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 3: to SEC and rebound in three straight years. So I

946
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: don't think anything wrong. Yeah damn, oh yeah, and Jack,

947
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: I don't think i'm doing I'm having success. I don't

948
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: think I'm doing anything wrong. Like one of the hardest

949
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: things in life is when you're successful to know if

950
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: you're doing anything wrong. Right, So I'm leading the SEC

951
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: in rebounding as a freshman, I'm leading the rebound sophomore

952
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 3: and as a junior. So I don't think that I'm

953
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: doing anything wrong. And I get picked number five by

954
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 3: the sixers and broke, don't fix that's right, But I'm not.

955
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 3: Now I'm playing with real players, can't play at that weight.

956
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: But don't know it. Just you know, I'm a rookie. Hey,

957
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 3: rookie th ain't playing a time. I'm playing some minutes,

958
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: but then I'm not getting no quality minutes. And so Moses,

959
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 3: Me and Moses happened to live in the same building.

960
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 3: Moses lived in the penhouse. I live on like the

961
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: sixth floor, if I remember correctly. And I said, Mo,

962
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: can I come see you tonight? And I said, he

963
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: said sure, And I called him dad even to the

964
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 3: day and one of the most bittersweet things people his

965
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 3: family knew how closely were. I got to speak at

966
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: the du the eulogy at his funeral. I love that dude,

967
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 3: But so I go up. I said, big Mode, why

968
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: am I not getting to play old, young fella, you're

969
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 3: fat and you're lazy playing it simple. I'm like what

970
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: he says, you're fat and you're lazy. He said, Charles

971
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: can't play at three hundred pounds in the NBA, A

972
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: young fella, you're too fat and too lazy, can't work

973
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 3: hard at three hundred pounds. And I put downstairs and cried,

974
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 3: not gonna lie. And but he said, he says, you

975
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: want to lose weight. I come meet you before practice,

976
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: I meet you out to practice. I said please, And

977
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: this dude says, and he did it in a way.

978
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: It's how smart he was. He did in a way.

979
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: He says, let's lose ten pounds together. Yeah, he said,

980
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: let's lose ten pounds. He met me before practice, met

981
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: me after practice. I get to two ninety and I noticed, like,

982
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: even at ten pounds, I'm like, I can work a

983
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 3: little bit harder. He said, Okay, let's lose ten more.

984
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I get to too eighties. Now I'm

985
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: actually getting to play. He says, let's lose ten more.

986
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 3: Now I'm at two seventy. Now I'm really getting to play.

987
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 3: It's not acause I can work. I mean, thirty pounds

988
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: a lot. Get to two sixty. Now I'm starting. Now

989
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: I'm really can work. In my eyes out he says,

990
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 3: I want to try something, I said. He says, let's

991
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 3: get to two fifty. I'm like, okay, shit working, I'm good.

992
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: I get to two fifty. Now I'm really starting. Things

993
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 3: are really starting to take off. I staidly got to

994
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: two forty, but I said, I don't feel strong. He said,

995
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 3: two fifty is your weight. But he was so smart.

996
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: If you had told me to lose fifty pounds, I

997
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: was like, there's no fucking way I can lose fifty pounds.

998
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: There's no way. And I lost to fifty pounds and

999
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: the rest is history. But for that guy taking me

1000
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 3: under his wing, first of all, he was already one

1001
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 3: of the best to ever do it. For him to

1002
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 3: take a little fat kid under his wing, it changed

1003
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: my whole life. It changed my whole life. So that's why,

1004
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 3: and that's why I called him Dad, and I just

1005
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: was really crazy. I just saw him at the Hall

1006
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: of Fame Friday, and as I always did, I gave

1007
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: him a hug and told him I loved him, and

1008
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: we hung out and had some fun at the Hall

1009
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 3: of Fame that Sunday. Well, I had to fly to

1010
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: la the next day to shoot a Kirk commercial. I

1011
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: land in LA. I got a hundred messages, Yo, man,

1012
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 3: you all right, you all right? I'm calling a check

1013
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: on you. I love you, and I'm scrolling like everybody's

1014
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: checking on me. I'm like, what the fuck? And then

1015
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 3: finally says, man, call me. They had found him dead

1016
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 3: that that morning, because I'd been on a plane for

1017
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: like five hours, and I was like, I was so upset.

1018
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: I just stayed in my room the whole day because

1019
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be friending to anybody. We was

1020
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: shooting the commercial to the next day. I was like,

1021
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: I stayed in my room. I called my close friends.

1022
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 3: I said, man, I'm so, this is such a fucked

1023
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: up situation. So apparently he had he had went home

1024
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: to do his regular charity golf tournament and he didn't

1025
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: show up. And they found him in this hotel room.

1026
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: So I guess he died in his sleep. But man,

1027
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: when I got when I was looking, when I got

1028
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: that call, man, it was it was one of the

1029
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: worst days of my life. But I thank him for

1030
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 3: taking this little fat kid under his wing. Because man,

1031
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: you guys know y'all been around a long time. We

1032
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 3: see motherfuckers eat out the NBA. So man moses, he's

1033
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 3: the most important person you know. And Doc was great, great.

1034
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: He taught me how to dress, he said, hey, because

1035
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: Doc was always immaculate to this. Yeah, he's like, Chuck,

1036
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: this is professional basketball. We don't dress. You got you

1037
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: can't be wearing warm up suits everywhere you go. He says,

1038
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 3: we're professionals. And he taught me how to dress. He

1039
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: taught me how to save my money because he says, yo, man,

1040
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: how many cars you got? I said, I got like six.

1041
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 3: He says, how many can you drive? At the same time,

1042
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean? He says, uh, why

1043
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 3: you have six cars? And I couldn't give him a

1044
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 3: good answer. He said, Charles, everybody know who the fuck

1045
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: you are. He said, you ain't got to He said,

1046
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 3: you ain't got to impress these people. Everybody know you,

1047
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: Charles Barkley. He said, son, take those cars back. You

1048
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: need one car. If you want to, that's fine, but

1049
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 3: the mother will take them back. He said, son, this

1050
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: money gotta last you for the rest of your life.

1051
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 3: He says, I know you think you're gonna play basketball

1052
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: a long time. He said, basketball is gonna be this

1053
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: shorter window of your life. He says, this money got

1054
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 3: to last you the rest of your life. And that

1055
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 3: was a great lesson. I tell these young guys, your

1056
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 3: man you don't need, but I met says all the time,

1057
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 3: you don't need but one house and one car. If

1058
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: you want to splurge and get two cars, that's fine,

1059
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 3: but you don't need more than one house in one car.

1060
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 3: This money, it's going to last you to the rest

1061
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: of your life. And you don't know how long you're

1062
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 3: gonna live. And like I said, TV saved me because

1063
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 3: I would have been broke, probably because you know, we

1064
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: as black people, for some reason, we feel this need

1065
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 3: to take care of everybody in our family. And Grant

1066
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,479
Speaker 3: Hill's mom, one of the greatest ladies I've ever met

1067
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 3: in my life, gave me the best advice and I

1068
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 3: didn't never listened to it. We were at the ninety

1069
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: six Olympics, actually here in Atlanta, and Grant had just signed.

1070
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 3: She's one of the greatest women. We just lost her.

1071
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 3: She's one of the greatest women I've ever met. And

1072
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 3: she was telling me and her and Cavin and Grant

1073
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: were having dinner at the Olympics, and she says, yeah,

1074
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 3: me and Capin got to go back to work tomorrow.

1075
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: I said, wait a minute, Grant, just because I think

1076
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: Grant was the first person signed a hundred million dollar deal,

1077
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 3: I said, grand you just signed for one hundred million dollars.

1078
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 3: Y'all gonna work, She says, chall sit your ass down.

1079
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: She says, let me tell you this. Do not take

1080
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 3: care of your family and all your friends. Do not

1081
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 3: do that. You're gonna end up broke. But you know,

1082
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 3: she said, it's worst. And she said it's going to

1083
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 3: ruin every relationship you've ever had. And I said, what

1084
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 3: do you mean. She says, Number one, if you start

1085
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: giving your family and friends money, they're never going to stop. Never.

1086
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 3: But she said the worst thing. The first time you

1087
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: tell them no, they're gonna hate you. She says, if

1088
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 3: you've given them five million dollars the first time you

1089
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: tell them no, they hate your ass forever. She was

1090
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 3: one hundred percent correct, And I said, well, first of all,

1091
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 3: it's too late. I'm taking care of everybody. And she says,

1092
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: if you can share my vision with these young black

1093
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 3: kids going forward, tell them they don't have to take

1094
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 3: care of their entire families and people in their neighborhood.

1095
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 3: That's no rital law. If you want to do something

1096
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: nice for somebody in your family, that's you, but you

1097
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 3: don't have no moral obligation to take care of them forever.

1098
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 3: And man, I tell all these young black kids, man,

1099
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 3: you don't have no moral Like if you want to

1100
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 3: do something nice for your mom and dad and whatever,

1101
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: or your brothers and sister, nothing wrong with that, But

1102
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 3: to have them on the payroll and all your friends

1103
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 3: on the payroll, that's crazy. There's a reason eighty percent

1104
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 3: of professional athletes go broke. That's it. But for some

1105
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 3: reason we feel just like, hey, I got to take

1106
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 3: care of everybody. No, you don't fuck that shit straight up.

1107
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: Jack and I always talk, going back to your two

1108
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: vets early on the importance of having veterans in the

1109
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 1: locker room. I think the NBA is so young now

1110
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: that you can't play, there's no use And we speak

1111
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: to for every reason you just spoken what they did

1112
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: for you, the importance of vet's in the locker room.

1113
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: Even if they're not contributed on the court, they're contributing

1114
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: so much off the court.

1115
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that? First of all, you

1116
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: are one hundred percent. I've said that for the last

1117
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: thirty years, every NBA team should have a Adonna's HASSLM

1118
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: or somebody like that. And I'm even igo dollar and i'

1119
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 3: me even fuck the basketball part. That's gonna take care

1120
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: of itself. Nice. These dudes don't know that. First of all,

1121
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 3: we don't even know how to handle a checking account.

1122
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 3: You know, we need like the thing we just talked about. Like, Yo, man,

1123
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 3: why you got ten guys with you all the time

1124
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: while you're taking care of Why are they always with us? Yo? Man,

1125
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: go buy some suits. I remember I tell you the

1126
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 3: story about doctor j Him and Maurice Cheeks and guys.

1127
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 3: And I'm a rookie. I'm still wearing warm ups everywhere

1128
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 3: they take me. Shot today? What you doing today? I'm

1129
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: like nothing. I get to hang out with y'all. They're like,

1130
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 3: we going shopping. They take me to board Store Boys

1131
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: is a famous clothing store in Philly. Like they're like,

1132
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 3: Chuck needs ten suits, ten sports coats and slacks. They

1133
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 3: fed me up and looking in the mirror and shit,

1134
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 3: ma reicing. The guys are just sitting back there looking yeah, okay,

1135
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 3: that's nice. That's good. Bill comes. It's like thirty two

1136
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,479
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. I guarantee you ain't nobody my mom, my dad,

1137
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 3: my grandmother, ain't nobody in my house ever made thirty

1138
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 3: two thousand dollars a year. Bill. It's thirty two thousand dollars.

1139
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 3: They're like, pay the bill, young fellow. I call my agent.

1140
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, I called my agent. Ia. Yo, man,

1141
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 3: I need thirty two thousand dollars. They're like what I said.

1142
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 3: The best took me shopping. They told me I'm dressing

1143
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 3: like a college kid. So they made me buy like

1144
01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 3: ten suits, ten sports coach jackets and slacks, and like, yeah,

1145
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 3: that's the right thing. But stuff like that. They're like,

1146
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 3: you know, and at that time, we were flying commercials,

1147
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 3: so we're in the airport. But Doc and all those guys,

1148
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 3: they're always immaculate, but you are one hundred percent. And

1149
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 3: you know now they're getting to change the rule back.

1150
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 3: We're going back to the drafting high school players. A

1151
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 3: high school player don't know what the hell he's doing, right,

1152
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 3: you know, they like they don't know how to eat.

1153
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 3: Like now, the ship was funny in the day. It

1154
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: was funny when I said on camera those two fish

1155
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 3: flays and large fry and die Coka probably shouldn't have

1156
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 3: been eating that shit. Probably should not have been eating it. Like, yo, man,

1157
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 3: go get a healthy meal, I would tell a young guy. Now,

1158
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 3: I know you can get the two fish relays in

1159
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 3: a large fried at twenty one, well, eighteen nineteen. That

1160
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 3: shit ain't gonna have no effect upon you. But you

1161
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 3: need to learn good habits and shared it with your

1162
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 3: kids because you know, like I said, you don't hey,

1163
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 3: you can share Like obviously I talked about earlier one

1164
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 3: of the you know, obesity, diabetes, those are big problems

1165
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: in the black community because we don't know how to eat.

1166
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: When you get in our position, like, yo, man, teach

1167
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 3: you how to eat. That's like I teach all my

1168
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 3: friends about credit cards.

1169
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: I remember in college shout out capital one.

1170
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, not yeah, shot a Capital one. But like you know,

1171
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 3: in college, they send you MasterCard and Visa Discovery cards.

1172
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And I remember me and all my teammates

1173
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: we go shopping like every weekend, and we'd be like

1174
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 3: high five to each other, like, man, we're getting over

1175
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 3: on these white folks. Ship. We like, we buying ship.

1176
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 3: And then we were like, hey, man, were really getting

1177
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 3: over on these white folks. They send us credit cards

1178
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and then we pay the minimum. We

1179
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 3: go shopping every weekend, and then when I get to

1180
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 3: the NBA, my agent says, you got bills. We need

1181
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: to take care of it. See, I got some buildings,

1182
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 3: he says, like, he say, man, what all these bills

1183
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 3: you got? I said, man, we were getting over on

1184
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 3: tho his wife fulks, we were buying all this shit.

1185
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 3: He says, are you serious right now? I said, what

1186
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 3: do you mean him? I said? He says, so, y'all

1187
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 3: been buying all this shit, paying the minimum and keep

1188
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 3: buying shit. He said, son, you know how credit cards work.

1189
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 3: I says, yeah, you get them and you buy shit.

1190
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 3: He like, son, you're only paying the interest. And he says,

1191
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 3: you see this thing you bought for two thousand dollars.

1192
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 3: At the rate you're going, you're gonna be paying like

1193
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 3: twenty two thousand dollars for it by the time you're done.

1194
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 3: And I remember, I said what he says. Yeah, this

1195
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 3: is how they get poor people. They get They give

1196
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 3: you a credit card, you pay the minimum, and you

1197
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 3: don't ever ever end up paying it off. But by

1198
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 3: the time you pay it off, you paid like three

1199
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 3: times what it originally costs. And I called, I said,

1200
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: you need to go meet with all my college teammates. Said, man,

1201
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 3: we've been doing this shit the whole three years I've

1202
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 3: been in college and stuff like that. A VET like,

1203
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,919
Speaker 3: you know, man, don't be you don't even know that.

1204
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: And you can teach that to your family. So that's

1205
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 3: to go back to your point. Like every NBA team

1206
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 3: your pay a veteran like, hey, all our conversations are private,

1207
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna teach you about life. Yeah, And the

1208
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: thing is just like yo, man, I know the game

1209
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 3: ain't to seven o'clock. I know you can stay out

1210
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 3: the three four in the morning, sleep all day, but

1211
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 3: they sleep ain't the same as a good night's sleep.

1212
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 3: Ship like that that a VET will tell you like

1213
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 3: like doctor, they tell me sometimes, hey, man, we got

1214
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 3: a big game, go to bed. I'm like, what, Hey,

1215
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 3: they sleep ain't the same as nice sleep, Like BET's

1216
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 3: tell you shit like that. So, man, I'm one hundred

1217
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 3: percent with you. Every team should have like a veteran liaison, like, hey,

1218
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 3: you can ask me anything. I'm not don't go rap

1219
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 3: to the team. I'm not a gonna rap, but you're

1220
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 3: gonna have to listen to me. I think stuff like

1221
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 3: that would be huge.

1222
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it will be because not only just teaching them

1223
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 4: about life, but I had guys like Steve Smith Kevin

1224
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 4: Willis to teach me how to be a professional, especially

1225
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 4: as a young kid I'm coming into I know it's a game,

1226
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 4: but no, you you used the job.

1227
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 3: Now you got to be a professional.

1228
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 4: So all that stuff helped me be be a better professional.

1229
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:31,799
Speaker 3: So that definitely matters. Yeah, you and the two guys

1230
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 3: you mentioned, two of the best guys I've ever been around. Yeah,

1231
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 3: two of the best guys I've ever been around.

1232
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 4: We recently had Magic on our show talking about the

1233
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 4: Dream Team and it was some crazy stories. Yeah, everybody

1234
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 4: got their own story. Well went on, what's your take

1235
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 4: on the on the Dream Team.

1236
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 3: It was crazy. It was incredible because it's like, you

1237
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,879
Speaker 3: know how like first of all, we all got tremendous egos.

1238
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 3: To be great, you got to have an ego and

1239
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 3: with the perfect storm. So Magic was pissed because Scotty

1240
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 3: had just locked him up in the finals, so he

1241
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 3: wanted revenge. Michael Clyde Drexler kept insinuating that he was

1242
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 3: mad at he thought I'm just as good as Michael Gordon,

1243
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 3: and Michael's like it was ballistic. So you got those

1244
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 3: two matchups. You got me and Karl Malone, who were

1245
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 3: the two best power for us in the world, and

1246
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 3: we're like, motherfucker, we're the best two, but I'm the one.

1247
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 3: Then you got Patrick and David trying to prove who's

1248
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 3: the best set in the world, and it was like

1249
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 3: we are, like no, I want you to know. Everybody

1250
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 3: was just like going at it like that, and it

1251
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 3: was so intense and it was so much fun because

1252
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 3: we had respect, like one of my best friends, but

1253
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 3: like I want that motherfucker. No, I'm the best motherfucking

1254
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 3: power for it in the world. Yeah, and I get

1255
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 3: a chance to prove it. You don't have John Stockton

1256
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 3: and those guys and I don't have much like, yeah,

1257
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 3: we get to prove it every day, so you had

1258
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 3: that backdrop, so every day was like a game seven.

1259
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it was so intense, but we still we're

1260
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,440
Speaker 3: main friends after it was over. But man, our egos

1261
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 3: like like it was so it was so much fun.

1262
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 3: But it was in the practices I never I've never

1263
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 3: been in my entire basketball life. I've never been. I

1264
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 3: think it's intense as those practices because everybody wanted to

1265
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 3: everybody has something to prove. But it was so much

1266
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 3: fun though. Man, it was awesome.

1267
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: Was it the passing of the torch where it's kind

1268
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: of MJ's was kind of coming on his arm and

1269
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: he was there. He was already there, but he was

1270
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: already That's kind of the passing of the torch his NBA.

1271
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 3: It was his NBA. Uh you know, he was already

1272
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 3: the man. But what that did was it took us

1273
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 3: worldwide and David Stern, who's a genius, you know, everybody

1274
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 3: like that made the NBA a real international game. Because

1275
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 3: when you talk to guys like Dirt Navsky, Steve Nash,

1276
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 3: Dad Less Shrimp, great players, they're like, that's our first

1277
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 3: Tony Parker, He's like, that's the first time I really

1278
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 3: knew about NBA basketball, because you know, at that time,

1279
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 3: like you know, I'm so old. People didn't even understand.

1280
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: People think basketball always been on television. There used to

1281
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 3: be one game a week on NBC. There was no ESPN,

1282
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 3: there was no T n T. So most people in

1283
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 3: our my generation, they don't, they don't. They couldn't get

1284
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 3: games overseas and things like that. All those guys, when

1285
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 3: you talk to them, it's like the NBA. That was

1286
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 3: my first recollection of NBA basketball was the Dream Team

1287
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 3: and so but it was so crazy, man. I'll give

1288
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 3: you an example. So in our hotel, you couldn't get

1289
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 3: in unless you were on the Dream Team or NBA

1290
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 3: or part of the Olympic thing. So from here to

1291
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 3: that wall was the bus. That was three to five

1292
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 3: thousand people standing up every day just to watch us

1293
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 3: get on the bus, screaming.

1294
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: A whole Barcelona. Was that Barcelona?

1295
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 3: Barcelona? Yeah, I mean like they could only see us

1296
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 3: like twenty feet to walk to the bus. It was

1297
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 3: like three to five thousand people out there every single

1298
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 3: day along the highway because we had this is how

1299
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 3: crazy on the side of the bus. We had a

1300
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 3: cop them on front and a guy with a machine

1301
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 3: gun on each side of the bus. We had three

1302
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 3: police cars in front, three police cars at the back,

1303
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 3: and a helicopter of us the whole time, so people

1304
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 3: knew we were coming along the highway. There must have

1305
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 3: been thousands of people just studying on the side of

1306
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 3: the highway, just holding up signs. It was the craziest thing.

1307
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 3: Like we're driving there's people on the highway holding up

1308
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 3: Magic birds Jordan signs. I mean, it was. It was surreal.

1309
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 3: I mean it was like and we were kind of

1310
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 3: in shock, to be honest with you, because we didn't

1311
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 3: know how big it was going to be. I mean,

1312
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 3: we knew it was going to be something, but to

1313
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 3: see it live, like, you know, man, there's three thousand

1314
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 3: people standing us side the hotel just to get a

1315
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 3: glimpse of us. I mean, obviously Magic buried and Michael

1316
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 3: with the three guys, but like we were in they flow.

1317
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, you let that team is scoring though,

1318
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: didn't you.

1319
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 3: I let it in scoring? Yeah, and rebounding. It was

1320
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 3: easy though. Yeah, it was easy though. Basketball. Man, Basketball

1321
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 3: was so easy to me. I got the best compliment

1322
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: ever from Chuck Daily. He pulled me aside one day.

1323
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 3: He says, you're the second best basketball player in the world.

1324
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 3: I said, who bet me? And I started laughing. We

1325
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 3: both started laughing because obviously Michael watch it. He says,

1326
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 3: I can get an appreciation watching you play every day.

1327
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 3: I said, Coach, let me just tell you this. I said,

1328
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 3: I'm a really good player. I can get you thirty

1329
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 3: I can get your twenty rebounds. I said. It's hard

1330
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 3: to do it when the whole defense is stocked against you.

1331
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 3: When you're playing in an NBA game, I said, when

1332
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,879
Speaker 3: I'm playing with these dudes, easy, this shit is easy.

1333
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 3: I said. I can score anytime I want to. I

1334
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 3: can get a rebound anytime I want to, I says I.

1335
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 3: I says, just like when I got traded to Phoenix,

1336
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 3: when I got MVP, I said, man, I've been a

1337
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 3: great player. I just got help now, I said, I

1338
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 3: got Dan Marlon Kevin Johnson. I said, but I was

1339
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 3: a much better player in Philly. I just didn't have

1340
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 3: no help. I said. But my first year in Phoenix,

1341
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 3: I said, wait, y'all giving me Dan Marley and Kevin

1342
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 3: Johnson and said to Balas, Oh, yeah, we're good. I

1343
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 3: mean we're good and so but so it was it

1344
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 3: was if you're a great player, the game is easier

1345
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,799
Speaker 3: with the better players. You play with round mound, the rebound,

1346
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 3: the nickname. So if you go back and look at

1347
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 3: my history. So we were trying to drum up support

1348
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 3: at Auburn because you know we're a football school. So

1349
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 3: they came to me and says, hey, do you mind

1350
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 3: because they were going to do a story on me

1351
01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 3: for Sports Illustrated. And I said, whatever, y'all do whatever,

1352
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 3: help the program because I need some help. I need

1353
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 3: some We ain't no good, I need some help. And

1354
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 3: they made a list of like criscal kid, the wide

1355
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 3: load from Leads, risc.

1356
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 1: Kid while he was the ball headed out, Cristal gross

1357
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: criscal the cooking oil cooking what it had.

1358
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 3: To do with no, just just just like something to

1359
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 3: do with food. See you don't know the thing about

1360
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 3: that big assa criscal kid, Cristal Why load from leads,

1361
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 3: wide load from leads, bread truck, the good time blimp uh,

1362
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 3: the round amount of rebound. So they had they had

1363
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 3: the bread truck. Now all that money you're getting the

1364
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 3: bread So they had a list because I actually I

1365
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 3: remember doing something on camera one time. There was about

1366
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 3: ten of them total of nicknames they have for me,

1367
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 3: and I think, uh, bread Truck. I was bread Truck

1368
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 3: for a minute and then but I think by the

1369
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 3: end of my sophomore year, I was leading the league

1370
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 3: in rebound again. I think that's when it switched to

1371
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 3: round mound and rebound. Yeah, but man, it was like

1372
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 3: they were doing anything to drum up support. Yeah that

1373
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,919
Speaker 3: was good. Yeah, that was stuck with you though, Yeah, stuck.

1374
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: With Obviously you spoke to being going to Phoenix. You

1375
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: traded the Phoenix after the Olympics. What was that first experience? Like,

1376
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell people I got a chance to

1377
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,839
Speaker 1: play for one year, but I loved Phoenix Scottsdale area.

1378
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: What was obviously the team was great, But what was

1379
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: that experience for you for the first time being out

1380
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: of Philly as far as professional ghost.

1381
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 3: It was great for the fact, you know, when we

1382
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 3: play an NBA game, you just go to the city

1383
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 3: sometimes you know that like twelve hours right, yeah, right

1384
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 3: about it. So I never really spend any quality of

1385
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 3: time in Phoenix. You fly in, you play, you might

1386
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 3: get to there the day before and you know you

1387
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 3: got stuff to do. You play, then you leave, or

1388
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 3: you flying after lady. After game in the city, you play,

1389
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 3: sleep all day, played, and go. When I got traded them,

1390
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, man, it's December and we're walking around

1391
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 3: in shorts. I'm like, damn, we don't have to be

1392
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 3: cold all the time. Philly is cold and shit too.

1393
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 3: Once you get cold in Philly, it's cold whole year.

1394
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 3: You're like, nah, let's don't do shit. It's cold outside, right.

1395
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 3: I'm like, Phoenix, Hey man, it's nice, let's go play golf.

1396
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 3: It's December to fifteenth, it's seventy degrees. Let's do this.

1397
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 3: And we got the best record in the NBA, and

1398
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 3: we had a couple of pivotal moments. We get off

1399
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 3: to a slow start. The Bulls we picked to go.

1400
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 3: So I tell these guys, I with the owner the team.

1401
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 3: I says, Okay, this is the deal. We're going to

1402
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 3: the finals. I said, I think I'm the best basketball

1403
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 3: player in the world. We're going to the finals season. Yes,

1404
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,919
Speaker 3: we're gonna play the Bulls for the championship. And I says,

1405
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 3: I think I'm the best player in the world. Michael

1406
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 3: just got more help. And this is the deal. I

1407
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 3: don't need no bullshit. We're going to the finals. Nobody,

1408
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 3: We're gonna get there. So we get off to a

1409
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 3: pretty good start, and I know Michael, they're hyping the

1410
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 3: game up. Best team in the East, best team in

1411
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 3: the West. They come in and I know Michael, well,

1412
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 3: they stump us. I go ballistic. I said, hey, man,

1413
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 3: I fucking told y'all what we're gonna do. That motherfucker

1414
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 3: came here. He sent me a message, and we didn't

1415
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 3: meet the challenge. I said, we ain't working for the

1416
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 3: job we got. We're working for the job we're gonna have.

1417
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 3: We gonna have to get better and quit fucking around.

1418
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 3: I said, we're not on their level right now. And

1419
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 3: that was the first turning point in our season. And

1420
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 3: we went on a long winning streak and we got

1421
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 3: it together and we finished with the best record in

1422
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 3: the NBA first round of the playoffs. Kevin gets hurt.

1423
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 3: No number one seed has ever lost. We're gonna be

1424
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 3: the first. We played the Lakers. Kevin is hurt. We

1425
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 3: lose the first two games at home this best of five.

1426
01:21:55,040 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 3: After the game, we devastated. I'm like, but right now,

1427
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 3: I gotta figure something out. Our coach, Paul Westfall just

1428
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 3: passed away. Rest in peace. I'm thinking. I'm sitting in

1429
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 3: my locker. I'm like, what the hell am I gonna do?

1430
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 3: I gotta get this team ready. We're going to LA tomorrow.

1431
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like, what I'm gonna do? The motherfucker rest

1432
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 3: toward me, Like twenty of them says, did you hear

1433
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 3: what your coach said? I said, no, I didn't. I

1434
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 3: was It's just like your coach said, guys, not gonna

1435
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 3: say much tonight. They kicked our ass twice. It's what's

1436
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 3: gonna happen. We're gonna go to l A win in

1437
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 3: game three, We're gonna go game go to LA. We're

1438
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 3: gonna stay down and win Game four. They gonna come

1439
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 3: back here. We're gonna kick their ass in game five,

1440
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 3: and we're gonna say what the hell of a series

1441
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 3: it was? And I says, oh, well, coach is right,

1442
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 3: let's go. I say, hey, I coach said it, And

1443
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 3: I got to tell you something. I don't know what

1444
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 3: coach was doing, but it changed. The light came on

1445
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 3: in the locker room and I didn't even have to

1446
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 3: ask no question about us choking the first two games.

1447
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 3: In the five game, he said, you guys getting got

1448
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 3: like you guys gonna be the first number one seed

1449
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 3: to ever lose to the eight seed. And man, we

1450
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,759
Speaker 3: went to La for game three. Them motherfuckers had Randon Newman.

1451
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 3: We love La, the crowd going crazy. We played great.

1452
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 3: We actually beat them in game four. Bad come on

1453
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 3: for game five. It's a dog fight and James Worthy

1454
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 3: comes up to me after the game. He says, now,

1455
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 3: you better go win this thing. He said, young, He says,

1456
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 3: y'all showed me some go win this thing. The next

1457
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:59,799
Speaker 3: round we play San Antonio. We beat them in six.

1458
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 3: I think that's when I hit the shot that closed

1459
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 3: down the arena, that dumpy ass arena y'all had down there. Yeah,

1460
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 3: no hemisphair Fair. Yeah. That was the last game I

1461
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 3: ever played there. And that really was the one because

1462
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 3: he knocked you down on that three. Yeah, that was

1463
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 3: the one. Yeah. And then we played Seattle. Probably the

1464
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 3: best seven games, cheers I've ever been in, the best

1465
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 3: game I ever played in my life, Game seven when

1466
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 3: I had forty four and twenty four, best game I've

1467
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 3: ever played in my life. I remember this. It was

1468
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 3: a great series. We win one and two, they win

1469
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 3: three and four, We win five, they win six. And

1470
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 3: I pulled Frank Johnson aside. He was like my vet

1471
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 3: to talk to the young guys. I said, hey, man,

1472
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 3: because everybody's quiet on the plane. That's long ass flight

1473
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 3: from Seattle, I says, Frank, get back here. I need

1474
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 3: to talk to you. I said, what I got to do.

1475
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 3: Everybody's down, everybody's nervous. Everybody's nervous a game self, not scared,

1476
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 3: just nervous as hyper. It's a long forty ours for

1477
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 3: those Game sevens. Getting ready. And I said, Frank, I

1478
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 3: got to get this team. I'm mostly ready for Game seven.

1479
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 3: What do I need to do? He says, oh, I

1480
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 3: ain't worried. We got Game seven. I said, what do

1481
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 3: you mean? He says, let me ask you a question.

1482
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 3: You have been to the finals. I said nope. He says,

1483
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 3: I got the best fucking basketball player in the world

1484
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 3: on my team, and we we're gonna, we're gonna. You

1485
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 3: ain't gonna let us lose Game seven. And I says,

1486
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 3: what he says, Charles, you told me you were the

1487
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 3: best basketball player in the world. You got one game

1488
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 3: to get to the finals. You ain't never been to

1489
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 3: the finals. He says, you better not let us fucking lose.

1490
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 3: I said, we're good, and I said before game seven,

1491
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 3: I said, boys, were going to the finals. Get on,

1492
01:25:56,240 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 3: let's go, get on my back. We're going. And I

1493
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 3: end up playing the best game.

1494
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: I said forty four and and I did.

1495
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 3: I said, were going to the finals. Y'all get on

1496
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 3: my fucking back, We're going, and we get to the finals.

1497
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 3: So game one, that's probably the most disappointed I've been

1498
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 3: in myself as a player. So we play in the

1499
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 3: Bulls Game one, and you guys both been in the finals.

1500
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 3: It's different than the regular season, different the playoffs. Ry

1501
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 3: motherfuckering the world is there. It's a bill. So we

1502
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 3: come out for game one, and my team is the

1503
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 3: way I normally did it was. I normally tried to

1504
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 3: get everybody involved in game one to get at home.

1505
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 3: I'm more aggressive on the road, because you know that's

1506
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 3: what stars do. They're more aggressive on the road. So

1507
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 3: game one, I was like, I need to get these

1508
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 3: guys started so they can get their confidence. Everybody's a

1509
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 3: little nervous. I'm not nervous, but these other guys never

1510
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 3: been in high pressure situation like that. So Game one,

1511
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:15,719
Speaker 3: I was like, I was a little passive. They beat us.

1512
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 3: Game two, I said, fuck this shit, I'm going for it.

1513
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 3: And I said, I'm a whatever it takes, and I

1514
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 3: come out I'm fucking so aggressive. But Michael, no, I'm

1515
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 3: fucking aggressive. He's like, I can see he's talking to

1516
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 3: Horace and Scotty. He's like, y'all got slow that motherfucker down.

1517
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 3: Because Horrace, to me, was one of the more underrated players.

1518
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 3: Him and Scotty Man. When they doubled me, I couldn't

1519
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 3: see shit. They were so long and athletic. I couldn't

1520
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 3: see shit. But I still I finished with like forty eight,

1521
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 3: forty nine somewhere in there, twenty six something like that.

1522
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 3: But Michael fucking had like fifty five. Motherfucker would not

1523
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 3: let me win that game. And I remember, yeah, I

1524
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 3: remember going home. When I got home, my daughter was

1525
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 3: upset and I said, I told her. I had told

1526
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 3: her before. I said, ain't nobody in the world better

1527
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 3: at basketball than your dad, and we're gonna win this

1528
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 3: fucking series. When I got home, she was crying and

1529
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 3: I was like, she's dad. I thought you told me

1530
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 3: y'all were gonna win, I said, I said, Christianna, I

1531
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 3: ain't never said this before. I think there's somebody better

1532
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 3: at basketball than me, you know, because you know it's

1533
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 3: Michael and Larry and Magic. I says, I loved it.

1534
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 3: Those guys are all great. But I says they're great

1535
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 3: because he has Kareem, he has James Worthy, Michael got

1536
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,719
Speaker 3: Horrors and Scottie and Bird got Michael in Paris. I says,

1537
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 3: I know, I'm just as good as those motherfuckers, but

1538
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 3: they just had more help. But I said, but going

1539
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 3: back to the forty twenty game, twenty four game, I

1540
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 3: was like, I can wield my team to win. But Michael,

1541
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:12,600
Speaker 3: when I that night, when I was like, this motherfucker

1542
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 3: ain't gonna let me win this thing. Cause like I said,

1543
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 3: like I said, I had my forty something and he

1544
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 3: had fucking fifty times. So then so I said, hey,

1545
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 3: you know your dad, he ain't never gonna quit a

1546
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 3: give up. We're gonna be all right, right. So we

1547
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 3: go to Chicago and that's a triple overtime game. We win,

1548
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Okay, I might can do this thing.

1549
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 3: The next game, this motherfucker goes okay, so this uh no.

1550
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 3: So the next game, I think he had another fifty five.

1551
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 3: He was gonna end this shit. He was gonna end

1552
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 3: this shit, and they beat us. It was a hell

1553
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 3: of a game. Then before it came five, like, guys,

1554
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 3: we're gonna be all right, So before the all day long,

1555
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 3: you know, you don't do ship. You can't go out

1556
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 3: becally on the road.

1557
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 1: Is there back and forth between you and the MJ

1558
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: off the court?

1559
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 3: At this time we put our friendship. So then all

1560
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 3: day on TV, these motherfuckers on TV boarding up the

1561
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 3: city telling people to calm down. They win the championship,

1562
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 3: a night championship, no fires, yo.

1563
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 2: Man.

1564
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 3: By the time we got to the gym, I say, hey, man,

1565
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 3: ain't no fucking way were losing this bitch tonight because

1566
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 3: you know I'm sitting there steaming the whole day. Every

1567
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 3: time you try to get away from that ship. Hey,

1568
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 3: we're boarding up to see uh this weekend the championship

1569
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 3: route is gonna be here, but y'all please.

1570
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: Behave That's when it was two three two, right, there

1571
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 1: was it three in Chicago?

1572
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the game five was in Chicago, And by the

1573
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 3: time we got to the game, I said, hey, hey, coach,

1574
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 3: let me speak all that. Don't played these motherfuckers five times?

1575
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 3: Ain't no exces and oe right now? I said, God,

1576
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 3: we cannot fucking lose this game. That ship they were

1577
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 3: doing on TV today was so fucking disrespectful and pissed

1578
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,799
Speaker 3: us off. And we won that game, and then uh,

1579
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 3: obviously we lost it back at home in game six

1580
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 3: on a three pointer. But man, when I got to

1581
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 3: game five, I was like, ain't no fucking way were losing, guys,

1582
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 3: because we sit there and watch that thing and talking

1583
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 3: about they were boarding up the city, talking about act

1584
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,759
Speaker 3: like y'all got some common sense and don't be going

1585
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 3: crazy burning up cars and shit like y'all did the

1586
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 3: last time they won the championship. So I was but man,

1587
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 3: stuff like that. I missed that.

1588
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: MVP that season but lost in the finals. We recently

1589
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: talked to Magic about, you know, his back and forth

1590
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: with Isaiah and Isaiah and MJ's beef.

1591
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 3: Or whatever that may be.

1592
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: You and MJ were really close, yes, and haven't spoke

1593
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: in some time. Is there is there light at the

1594
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: end of the tunne with that? Do you feel like

1595
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: you guys can mind that.

1596
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 3: That would be on his end. Matt. He was my

1597
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 3: best friend at the time, and I love the guy

1598
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 3: and I missed the guy, but you know, I got

1599
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 3: to do my job. What I said was, I said,

1600
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 3: first of all, I don't think it's fair for me

1601
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 3: to critique other gms and coaches and have a double time.

1602
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 3: That goes back to the Skip Bayless thing, like you

1603
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 3: can tell the guys he like and guys he just like.

1604
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 3: I think I'm fair to everybody. What I said about Michael,

1605
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know if he's ever going to

1606
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 3: be successful because of the people around him. I think

1607
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 3: he hires too many of his friends. And because your

1608
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,679
Speaker 3: friends don't ever tell you no. The hardest thing about

1609
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 3: being famous is because you're paying all the bills, they're

1610
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 3: on your private jet. They're not gonna tell you when

1611
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 3: you're doing something wrong. And I said that I didn't

1612
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 3: because he was struggling as a general manager, a running

1613
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 3: the team. And I said, I don't know if he's

1614
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 3: ever going to be successful because the people around him

1615
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 3: are never going to tell him no, and like, yeah,

1616
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 3: don't draft that dude, we need to trade that dude.

1617
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah, and he went ballistic and he called

1618
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:47,440
Speaker 3: me and that's the last thing I heard was motherfucker,

1619
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 3: fuck you. You're supposed to be my boy and blah blah,

1620
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 3: And I said, man, man, I got to do my job.

1621
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 3: And we haven't spoken since that night, and that was

1622
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 3: probably close to ten years ago.

1623
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 4: But I kind of agree with that because you know,

1624
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 4: they traded me after to the playoffs for the first time.

1625
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do make.

1626
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 4: Some bad decisions over there.

1627
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: So after the finals, you launched your signature shoe. Uh,

1628
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 1: Leeds Alabama? Did you ever think that you would have

1629
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: your own Nike shoe? You know, my relationship with Nike

1630
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 1: has been amazing. They're great, Horod White, Lynn, Merrick, Phil Knight.

1631
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: Those are three of the most important people in my

1632
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:32,799
Speaker 1: basketball career.

1633
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 3: When it was your first signature shoe, I think I

1634
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 3: started getting them back in Philly. Uh did you have

1635
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 3: a signature shoe in ninety six? Oh?

1636
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

1637
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm saying that I wanted to tell

1638
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 4: them the story. So my high school state championship, my

1639
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 4: family's poorking for in the shoes we get there. My

1640
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 4: shoes are from the team, but I've been playing tomorrow. Yes,

1641
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 4: they raggedy. I'm talking about I.

1642
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: Know how your toenails cut through letter my shoes. Yeah,

1643
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: and my uncle shows up. They wouldn't let him back,

1644
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: but he shows up in the back, like.

1645
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 3: For the locker room.

1646
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 4: So when my teammates come to give me and he

1647
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 4: got a box of shoes, I'm not knowing what it is.

1648
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 3: I opened the box. It was the black and gray

1649
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 3: Charles box.

1650
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,719
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, and I ye had them five fives.

1651
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 4: I played in the state championship and them shits fresh pair. No,

1652
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 4: we won, we won, but just to have a friend,

1653
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 4: you know what I say. I had a fresh path

1654
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 4: and I wore them sits about three years straight after.

1655
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 3: You know, you talk about that situation. So obviously grew

1656
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 3: up really, really poor. So my mom rest in peace.

1657
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 3: She always made sure I had a good pair of shoes.

1658
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 3: She brought him to the game. She took him right

1659
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 3: after Hey, after game, she's knocking on the door, charge

1660
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 3: to bring them shoes here. I didn't get them. I

1661
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 3: couldn't wear I can only wear them. She brought them

1662
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 3: to the game, came out of after the game, and

1663
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 3: because they had to last me the whole season. Now,

1664
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 3: once he was old. I could use him. But you

1665
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 3: talk about grun up poor and getting shoes and things

1666
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 3: like that, it's so crazy to shit that's happening. You think,

1667
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 3: you think about how lives have changed so much. I mean,

1668
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there thinking, like I tell that story, like, yeah,

1669
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 3: my mom used to bring my shoes to the game,

1670
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 3: like they had to last the whole season, and she

1671
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 3: came and got them right after the game and I

1672
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 3: didn't get them back until So, man, some of this

1673
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 3: stuff you think about our lives. Now, I'm sponsored by

1674
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 3: Jordan now. So it's so crazy, isn't it. I Mean,

1675
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 3: it's just a crazy blessing, A blessing, blessings I tell

1676
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 3: people all the time. Man, I got the honor and

1677
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,719
Speaker 3: the privilege to be Charles Barkley. It's such a blessing.

1678
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 1: So the Fab Five, obviously one of the greatest college

1679
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: teams ever, decided to wear your shoe and continue to

1680
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 1: kind of really intrench it in the culture. What are

1681
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: you thinking as you're seeing, you know, these young black

1682
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,719
Speaker 1: kids in Michigan and their new style and they're wearing

1683
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 1: your shoes on top of it.

1684
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's it's it's it's crazy. They were

1685
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 3: such fun. I'm ann they were such you know. It's

1686
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 3: kind of like I get to watch March Maddness now.

1687
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:08,759
Speaker 3: I used to watch it a lot when I played

1688
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 3: because it's just great, And now I get to broadcast

1689
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 3: March Madness, And I tell people everybody should go to

1690
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 3: the Final four one time in their life. There's two

1691
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:18,480
Speaker 3: things you should do in your life if you like sports.

1692
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 3: Found a four Saturday at the Olympics. My job at

1693
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 3: the Final four is one of the craziest, coolest things

1694
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 3: I've ever got an opportunity to do. But also the Olympics. Man,

1695
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 3: No TV doesn't do the Olympics justice. You go to

1696
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 3: the Olympics, into the Final four. But to see those

1697
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:46,719
Speaker 3: young kids, I mean, man, what they accomplished will probably

1698
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 3: never be accomplished again. To get to the finals two

1699
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 3: years to the final four, two years in a row

1700
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 3: with the same group of freshmen and son boys, I mean,

1701
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 3: it's incredible. I mean, well, obviously now because you know

1702
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 3: kids leaving so early. It'll never be done again. But

1703
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:04,520
Speaker 3: it was incredible.

1704
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: Your famous line, I'm not a role model came around

1705
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 1: that time.

1706
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 3: Speak to that. Probably the most important thing I done.

1707
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 3: Donna did on eloquent enough verbally all the time. So

1708
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 3: that was a big deal for me. So you know,

1709
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 3: you know, part of our job we get to speak

1710
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:28,639
Speaker 3: to kids a lot. So we still have too many

1711
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 3: segregated schools in this country, So especially in Philly, we

1712
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 3: speak at a lot of different like and I think

1713
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 3: players should always at least probably maybe even once a

1714
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 3: week go speak out of school because these young black

1715
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 3: kids especially look up to us and so. But what

1716
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 3: I was noticing was when I was going speak to it,

1717
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 3: but it's always talk to kids about education because one

1718
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 3: thing we need to value more, especially in black community,

1719
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 3: is education. I think we get so enamored because most

1720
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 3: of the famous black people that know are rich because

1721
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 3: of sports being entertainment. They don't realize that most people

1722
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 3: have to get a real job. So my thing is,

1723
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 3: when I was going to these schools, I said, well,

1724
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 3: how many y'all want to play sports? And I noticed

1725
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 3: at the black schools, pretty much every kid raised their hand,

1726
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, that's interesting. But when I

1727
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 3: go to a white school, I said, well, how many

1728
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 3: of y'all want to play sports? Only about ten percent

1729
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 3: raised their hand. I said, what do you want to do?

1730
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 3: I want to be a doctor. I want to be

1731
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 3: a lawyer. I want to be an engineer. I want

1732
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 3: to be a teacher, fire and policeman, things like that.

1733
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 3: So I kind of start paying attention. For like a

1734
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 3: couple of years, I said, guys, we got too many

1735
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:44,440
Speaker 3: black kids think they can only be successful through athletics

1736
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 3: and entertainment. They don't think they can be doctors and

1737
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 3: lawyers and engineers and shit like that. And I said,

1738
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 3: we need to do something about that. So I called

1739
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,959
Speaker 3: a meet with Nike. I said, I got this commercial

1740
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 3: I want to make. They're like your fucking nuts. They're

1741
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 3: like fucking nuts. And I said no, I says, he says,

1742
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 3: you're gonna get killed. I said, that's fine. I can

1743
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 3: handle it. I dude, I play in fucking Philly. I

1744
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 3: thought my name was Charles Barker, your motherfucker for like

1745
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 3: five years. There's nothing I'm not gonna be offended or

1746
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:19,759
Speaker 3: upset by anything like that. And he says, are you sure?

1747
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:24,879
Speaker 3: I says, I'm positive. So I made the commercial. Obviously

1748
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:29,600
Speaker 3: it blew up and craziness, and I said, and I

1749
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 3: went on and explained what I was trying to do,

1750
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 3: and it turned into a real positive thing. And in

1751
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,639
Speaker 3: fairness to Nike, they came to back to me late

1752
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 3: and says, hey, we were wrong. We ninety percent of

1753
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 3: our letters we got was so positive on that commercial.

1754
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 3: And I says, all I was doing was trying to

1755
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 3: the start a debate because I've got to get these

1756
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 3: black kids to stop thinking they can only play sports

1757
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 3: to be successful. And like I say, I just wanted

1758
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 3: to start like a debate and it turned it turned

1759
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:02,759
Speaker 3: out to be perfect because I'm forty I'll be forty

1760
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 3: five in April. You a role model to me. You'll

1761
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 3: appreciate it. But I think these young brothers, man and sisters,

1762
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 3: like we can be doctors and lawyers and engineers anything.

1763
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 1: But they don't think that, right, They don't think that

1764
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: because they don't see it.

1765
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 3: They don't see that the only famous They see how

1766
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 3: much money we make, and they see us jocks and entertainers.

1767
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all do know we got black doctors, right,

1768
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 3: we got black lawyers, we got black engineers, judges, but

1769
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:35,640
Speaker 3: they're not they're not in their neighborhood.

1770
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, got to see it to believe it. On your

1771
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 1: way out the league, you get a chance to go

1772
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,600
Speaker 1: to Houston and play with Clyde and the King. What

1773
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 1: was it like playing with those two?

1774
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 3: That was very difficult for me, to be honest with you,

1775
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 3: because I was I really didn't want to leave Phoenix.

1776
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 3: So the Rockets called me on the phone. One of

1777
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 3: my friends worked in the front office, Robert Barr worked

1778
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 3: for the Rockets, and he says, hey, man, if we

1779
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 3: trade for you, are you gonna want a new contract?

1780
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, what the fuck are you talking about?

1781
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 3: He says, the Sons are shopping you. I said, Sons

1782
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 3: ain't fucking shopping me. I'm on the player we got.

1783
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 3: And I said, dude, the Sons are not shopping me.

1784
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 3: He said, let me ask you a question. If we

1785
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 3: trade for you, you want a new contract? I said, dude,

1786
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 3: I got a contract. He said, are you gonna hold

1787
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:30,599
Speaker 3: out for a new contract? I says, dude, stop at

1788
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 3: the son. He's a good friend of mine, he says.

1789
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 3: I says. I called the Sons. I said, hey, man,

1790
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 3: are y'all shopping me? Like, no, man, You're the only

1791
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 3: player we got. Blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like okay.

1792
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 3: Three hours later, Charles, are you gonna want a new

1793
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 3: contract and we trade for you. I said, yo, man,

1794
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 3: I talked to the sons. Ain't nothing going on? And

1795
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 3: nothing going on, Charles, I'm asking you this for the

1796
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 3: last Are you gonna hold out or anything if we

1797
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 3: make the trade. I'm like, yo, man, no, because at

1798
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 3: that point I knew they were full of shit. The

1799
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 3: signs were and they made the trade and I had

1800
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 3: to make the best of it. I enjoyed playing with

1801
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 3: the King in Clyde. I hate that we were all

1802
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 3: over the hill and we had two good years. Well

1803
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 3: we lost. I think we lost in the conference finals

1804
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 3: one year. I got hurt, one year, I got hurt

1805
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 3: one year, and then we lost in the conference finals.

1806
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:44,879
Speaker 3: And I always want to thank Rudy tom Janovic because

1807
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 3: my last two years I couldn't play dead.

1808
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 4: He treated me great. He treated me great with back issues.

1809
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 4: Right around the time, I just couldn't jump anymore. I

1810
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 4: was old, was but he treated me great and I

1811
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 4: went to him. I said, coach, can I come off

1812
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 4: the bench? He says, you're sure? I said, I'm not sure.

1813
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:09,120
Speaker 4: I'm fucking positive, but I couldn't play. But they treated

1814
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 4: me great, which is all you want as a player

1815
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 4: because I was winding. It was the end of my

1816
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:14,839
Speaker 4: career anyway.

1817
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 3: Uh. And I wasn't gonna leave no money on the table, y'all, y'all,

1818
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna say, lead you to my last two years.

1819
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 3: I said, I can't play, but I'm gonna finish these

1820
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 3: next two years out. And uh. But I really appreciated

1821
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 3: Rudy and the Rockets treating me with class.

1822
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it gave that championship feel back to Houston when

1823
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 4: you came, even though y'all didn't win, like, it was

1824
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 4: good times.

1825
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the city too. I enjoyed Yeah, it got

1826
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 3: a good rest there. It was a good time when

1827
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:45,680
Speaker 3: he was there. What are your biggest observations of the

1828
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 3: season so far? Home stretch better almost done. It's awful basketball.

1829
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:52,720
Speaker 3: I hate to be the old get off my lawn, dude.

1830
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:57,679
Speaker 3: It's awful basketball. No defense, no defense, and it's become

1831
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 3: a three point shooting contest and the only thing that

1832
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 3: bolls me. And people are like, oh, you just mad

1833
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 3: because you didn't play. I said, no, no, no, no,

1834
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 3: there's strategy in basketball to just go to the gym

1835
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 3: saying we're just gonna jack up threes all night and

1836
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 3: If we make them, we win. If we miss them,

1837
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 3: we lose. And the only thing that boss me. I said, hey, all,

1838
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 3: you motherfuckers can't be good three point shooters, right, I said,

1839
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 3: wait a minute. If you're a good three point shooter,

1840
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 3: all y'all motherfuckers ain't Steph and Clay right. I says,

1841
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 3: I don't mind guys shooting threes, but your big guys

1842
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 3: are shooting threes.

1843
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 2: Now.

1844
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 3: I says, if y'all just gonna have three point shooting contests,

1845
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 3: just say it. I said, the big guys don't post

1846
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 3: up anymore. Joel and Bee is the best big man

1847
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 3: up there with Joker. I said, they're the only two

1848
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 3: guys who post up realistically. I said, but I don't.

1849
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 3: I said, hey, y'all play how you want to. But

1850
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 3: if y'all just gonna go out and shoot threes all night,

1851
01:45:56,600 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 3: but that's fine, I will tell you this. I said

1852
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 3: this the other night on the show. I got zero

1853
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 3: ideal gonna win the championship. I said, Denver's gonna finish

1854
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:08,280
Speaker 3: with the best record because I think they got the

1855
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:13,639
Speaker 3: best team. But you're gonna need a dog. You're gonna

1856
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:17,679
Speaker 3: need a dog at some point. And I think it's

1857
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:20,679
Speaker 3: gonna be Jamal Murray. I said he's gonna be the key.

1858
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 3: I says, greatest joker is at some point in a

1859
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 3: basketball game, you got to get a ball to it.

1860
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 3: I said this on air. I said, he said, hey,

1861
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 3: get me one, and I says, Jamal Murray is a

1862
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 3: guy who can do that. I love what they went

1863
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 3: out going to get Brown and KCP and so Denver.

1864
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,640
Speaker 3: To me, looks like, man, they're gonna be a handful.

1865
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 3: But I think my sons are done because once you

1866
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:50,680
Speaker 3: lose that chemistry on the team, I don't think you

1867
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 3: can get it back. And I think they've lost it.

1868
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 3: They don't like each other and once because I think

1869
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 3: you got to. Every team has as clicks, but you

1870
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 3: have to like and respect each other if you're going

1871
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:08,560
Speaker 3: to win. Milwaukee and Boston, I think they've separated themselves

1872
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 3: in the East and the intriguing team is gonna be Brooklyn. Uh.

1873
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna come down to Ben Simmons because

1874
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 3: I think Katie and Kyrie are gonna do their thing,

1875
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 3: but Ben Simmons is gonna be the wild card. He

1876
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:26,680
Speaker 3: has to be a factor somewhere.

1877
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,600
Speaker 4: Yes, like either either be the defensive stopper or you

1878
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

1879
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 3: But he's just out there right now, he's not doing that,

1880
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 3: not doing anything, and so but man, it's gonna be interesting.

1881
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 3: But that's the beauty of it. Man. Somebody's gonna win

1882
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:41,559
Speaker 3: this thing and it's gonna be well deserved.

1883
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:47,600
Speaker 4: But right now, uh, it's gonna be interesting. Anybody in

1884
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:49,720
Speaker 4: today's game remind you of yourself.

1885
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 3: Not really, because you know they just nobody plays physical.

1886
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 3: You can't. First of all, you can't play physical. You know.

1887
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 3: I had to play physical because I'm a six or

1888
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,439
Speaker 3: five guy playing against big dudes I got. I mean,

1889
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 3: Jack was the last guy, all right. Yeah, see Zach,

1890
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 3: Zach and a Joker. I love watching them play because

1891
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 3: everybody can play when you can run and jump real yeah,

1892
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 3: but when you have to use your brain and your body.

1893
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:27,719
Speaker 3: That's why I love watching Jack, Joker and Zach play. Now.

1894
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 3: I really love that boy, Yannis him and Russell Westbrook.

1895
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 3: I've never seen NBA players play harder than those two guys.

1896
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 3: You know, Russell does he have flaws, yes, But I'm

1897
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 3: never gonna say anything bad about a man who plays

1898
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 3: that hard every single night.

1899
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 1: And plays every almost every game, every.

1900
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:56,599
Speaker 3: Game, and Jannis he's the same way. He plays one

1901
01:48:56,680 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 3: percent effort every single night, and you have to admire that.

1902
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 3: Who is the best player in the league right now?

1903
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 3: To you? I would go with Jannis, Yeah, I would

1904
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 3: go with Yannis. Katie is probably the best offensive player,

1905
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:21,600
Speaker 3: but Jannis. But jokers ridiculous. Mean that dude is ridiculous.

1906
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:25,360
Speaker 3: That's the last. Yeah, I mean, he is ridiculous. I mean,

1907
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:30,840
Speaker 3: but you know, Joel's fantastic, Steph, Steph. I mean, so

1908
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:34,080
Speaker 3: it's some great players out there, and they're fine to watch.

1909
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:38,639
Speaker 3: I just wish they would bring a little bit more

1910
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 3: strategy into the game instead of just saying, hey man,

1911
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:42,599
Speaker 3: let's just jack up a bunch of threes.

1912
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 1: That's what's going on. Too quick hitters. First thing to

1913
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 1: pop your mind. Let us know this is gonna be

1914
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 1: a big one to put you on the spot top

1915
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 1: five all time. Who's in your top five?

1916
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 3: Michael Oscar Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell, those are your top five,

1917
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 3: Kobe Lebron, Tim Duncan, Queen, Jared West, those are my

1918
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:14,799
Speaker 3: top ten, and then you got Magic Berg, Shack. Steph

1919
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 3: is right there in that vicinity. Elgend Baylor. His top

1920
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 3: ten was nice.

1921
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:22,559
Speaker 1: Can any current player crack the top ten by the

1922
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 1: time they're done in your in your top ten?

1923
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 3: In your opinion? That that's that's a great question. Steph

1924
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 3: is knocking on the door. If Steph win one more,

1925
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 3: it's gonna be hard not to It's gonna be hard

1926
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 3: not to put him in the top ten.

1927
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 1: Did you have Bron in your top ten?

1928
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:50,160
Speaker 3: He's seven Kobe and it's so fun. I had an

1929
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:53,720
Speaker 3: argument with a dude. He's the biggest Lebron fan in

1930
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 3: the world. And I says, Yo, Man, I didn't put

1931
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 3: Steve Nash ahead of Lebron, no disrespect. I put Kobe Bryant,

1932
01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 3: I said, and I love Lebron. I said, but the

1933
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 3: difference in my opinion, I says, Michael and Kobe will

1934
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 3: kill you. I said, like, Lebron's a nice guy. I said,

1935
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 3: ain't nobody ever said Kobe and Lebron and Michael were

1936
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:27,839
Speaker 3: nice guys? I said, those words ain't never been spoken.

1937
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:31,599
Speaker 3: But nobody ever said, man, that Michael Jordan's a nice guy.

1938
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 3: I'm like they did.

1939
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 2: Who said that?

1940
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:36,600
Speaker 3: The same thing with Kobe? And there's nothing wrong with that,

1941
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 3: But Lebron he's just a nice man, and I got him.

1942
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 4: Seven Yeah, one album you can listen to and repeat.

1943
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 4: I want to hear this. I want to know what

1944
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,599
Speaker 4: kind of musics you listened to. Well, it's so funny.

1945
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 4: I had a bunch of people over last night, and

1946
01:51:56,000 --> 01:52:02,640
Speaker 4: it's so funny. Chuck d gave me Ael about a

1947
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:08,440
Speaker 4: year and a half ago. So I've been out.

1948
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:10,719
Speaker 3: Buying albums and I had all the Capital one people

1949
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 3: over the spot last night. We're getting drunk. We've been

1950
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 3: tired of shooting. We listened to Public Enemy, Tupac, Notaris,

1951
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 3: b Ig the Eagles. Dude, I've been shopping. I got

1952
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 3: about ten new vinyls for Christmas from different friends. And

1953
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:36,720
Speaker 3: I bought a record player about a year and a

1954
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:38,800
Speaker 3: half ago after Dre got me that because I had

1955
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:41,760
Speaker 3: because that's the old school. I had record player growing up,

1956
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 3: and I didn't know they were making a comeback, but

1957
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 3: I got when Dre went excuse me, when Chuck gave

1958
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:51,840
Speaker 3: me that vinyl about a year and a half ago,

1959
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:54,320
Speaker 3: I went out and bought me a record player. So

1960
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 3: I been going to a record store like once a month,

1961
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 3: picking out. I just I just got uh Thriller, the

1962
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 3: new Bruno Bruno mars Man. But like I say, most

1963
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 3: of my stuff is uh jay Z, Tupac Biggie. And

1964
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 3: then we had it blowing up last night and.

1965
01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:17,880
Speaker 1: It was going down.

1966
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. We have been working like twelve hour days for

1967
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 3: four days in a row, and man, everybody left town

1968
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 3: this morning. But we let it go last night. I

1969
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:29,680
Speaker 3: mean we were going at the heart. I love it.

1970
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 3: I love it.

1971
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:33,599
Speaker 1: Kenny briefly spoke to this when we had him your

1972
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 1: first impression when Shaq came to the crew and he

1973
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 1: brought his DJ set, his hookah lounge and all this

1974
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 1: kind of ship right on, he seemed to chake his

1975
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 1: head right off the bat.

1976
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 3: So so you know, we're in a room we got

1977
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:56,559
Speaker 3: like it's just like something like this. We have every

1978
01:53:56,600 --> 01:54:01,559
Speaker 3: game on and a bunch of networks shocks another room

1979
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 3: smoking hookah. He loves hookah, loves it every day and

1980
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:13,200
Speaker 3: he's in there smoking hooka the like. Then he's practicing

1981
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:17,840
Speaker 3: DJ stuff. Apparently he's pretty good DJ. Yeah, and like

1982
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 3: loud as hell, loud as hell, he's smoking hookah and

1983
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 3: we going like yo, man, So it's crazy he's in

1984
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 3: that practice, in this DJ thing. And finally they said, yo, man,

1985
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 3: you can't smoke hookah in the building. He goes out

1986
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:39,960
Speaker 3: in the parking lot and he's smoking hookah and he

1987
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 3: loves it. He loves it, and he just makes us

1988
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:49,160
Speaker 3: laugh man, because he's got a pure hard but man,

1989
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:51,000
Speaker 3: when he first came there, but the tea that was

1990
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 3: really funny. He come like the first night, he do

1991
01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 3: some funny, Second night, he do some funny. Third NIGHTY

1992
01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 3: do something funny. And then he says then he says like, hey,

1993
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:06,560
Speaker 3: I need you guys. I need you guys. I want

1994
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:11,120
Speaker 3: to try this next week. We're like, yo, man, you

1995
01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:13,520
Speaker 3: know we're on TV like one hundred and some days

1996
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:15,520
Speaker 3: you can't try to do some shit every night and

1997
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:21,840
Speaker 3: other so seriously, so we're like the joke around the

1998
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:26,280
Speaker 3: studio became like, hey, we like five shows from Shaq

1999
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:32,839
Speaker 3: settinghimself on fire on TV because he was actually thinking

2000
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 3: like I've got to out.

2001
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 1: Doing myself every week.

2002
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 3: We're like, yo, man, we're only four shows in. We

2003
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:43,160
Speaker 3: got one hundred shows, and that's when we came up

2004
01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 3: with a joke. You know what you think about show

2005
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:47,920
Speaker 3: ten twelve, We're gonna set itself on fire, and that

2006
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 3: became the joke but we're like, yo, man, we don't

2007
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 3: have to outdo ourselves every night. Yeah, I said, the

2008
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:59,080
Speaker 3: only time we have to come up with shit is

2009
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 3: when we got bad games. He says, when we got

2010
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,960
Speaker 3: good games, the game it's the easiest job in the world.

2011
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 3: I said, because we're on from seven to one thirty

2012
01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:12,840
Speaker 3: in the morning. I said, if the games are good,

2013
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:17,880
Speaker 3: we're good. But if we got ship games, we got

2014
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 3: to make people still watch. That's when we have to

2015
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 3: come up with Silly's two days. I said, So, so

2016
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:24,800
Speaker 3: let the game play out before you come up with

2017
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:28,320
Speaker 3: some ship so so, but it's been fun, man, be

2018
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:30,560
Speaker 3: at home righting do this today. Yeah, I was like,

2019
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:34,120
Speaker 3: it was be like, yo, man, let the game play out, because,

2020
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:36,040
Speaker 3: like I said, you want people to watch, but they're

2021
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 3: not going to watch from seven to one thirty if

2022
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 3: it shipped games. So let the games play out. But

2023
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:45,760
Speaker 3: now he's got it, man, he's got it. Best boxing

2024
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:50,640
Speaker 3: fight you've ever seen live. We've seen one hundred of them, right,

2025
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:59,680
Speaker 3: I will probably say Hagler hearns it was there live. Yeah, wow,

2026
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 3: I was there for field the bite. I was there

2027
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 3: for the bite. Hears though, Yeah, I was there with

2028
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:11,640
Speaker 3: so it was so funny. That was in Vegas. So

2029
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 3: you know, we we you know, you play golf all

2030
01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:15,840
Speaker 3: day and you're getting your drink on. I love to

2031
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 3: drink and love to gamble. So we see this motherfucker

2032
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:27,120
Speaker 3: circling and we look up and said, man, this motherfucker

2033
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 3: real close to the ring. Yes, yes, and they're like, man,

2034
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 3: ship the fuck up? You just drunk? I said, no, man,

2035
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:36,680
Speaker 3: motherfuck up on want of them gliders up here. About

2036
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:45,520
Speaker 3: an hour later, the motherfucker's in the ring. But I've

2037
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:47,640
Speaker 3: been Oh, I'll tell you a funny story about boxing.

2038
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 3: I'm with Magic Michael Patrick Ewing and they're all like

2039
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:57,240
Speaker 3: early in my career. I'm a young buck on the

2040
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 3: totem pole. They make me go get drinks and I

2041
01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:04,880
Speaker 3: come back and taxon already. I knocked this motherfucker out.

2042
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: You missed the fight?

2043
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:11,560
Speaker 3: Are you fucking see us? Right now? These motherfuckers are

2044
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 3: laughing at me. I'm walking there with two buckets of

2045
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:19,280
Speaker 3: popcorn and some drinks. I walked back fights over and

2046
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:22,000
Speaker 3: they just fucking laughing at me. I'm sitting there like

2047
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:26,120
Speaker 3: a y'all fuck this. I'm so man. I've been boxing.

2048
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 3: Football are my two favorite sports, because you know, I

2049
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:38,360
Speaker 3: played football for one day and I did one day.

2050
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 3: I did one day. I was like, now, not doing

2051
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:47,080
Speaker 3: this ship. I was sitting there, bleeding hands, all beat up,

2052
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 3: everything hurts, what position, defensive tackle? I'm sitting there, I'm exhausted,

2053
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:57,320
Speaker 3: I'm bleeding a couple of places, head hurting coaches. I

2054
01:58:57,400 --> 01:59:01,080
Speaker 3: see y'all tomorrow. All right, I'm doing this shit tomorrow.

2055
01:59:01,480 --> 01:59:04,560
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this shit tomorrow. No, hell don't know.

2056
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:08,520
Speaker 3: I'm done, and I like coach, So take my shower,

2057
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 3: pull my ship up. That's a coach. This ain't for me. Yeah,

2058
01:59:12,240 --> 01:59:14,320
Speaker 3: I was taking that the other night when that young

2059
01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:15,760
Speaker 3: kid Lamar got hurt.

2060
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:15,960
Speaker 2: Man.

2061
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:19,440
Speaker 3: The reason football and boxing on my favorite sports. It

2062
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:22,160
Speaker 3: take coverage to go out there, sir. You can't be

2063
01:59:22,240 --> 01:59:26,440
Speaker 3: soft and play football or box you cannot. And so

2064
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 3: that's why they are my two favorite sports. Like I

2065
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:31,040
Speaker 3: tried it for one day and I'm like, yeah, this

2066
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 3: ship is not for me. And that's why I admire

2067
01:59:34,240 --> 01:59:37,040
Speaker 3: football player and boxers. I said, you can be soft

2068
01:59:37,120 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 3: and play basketball, but there's no soft football players or boxers.

2069
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:46,480
Speaker 3: You can get hurt in those sports every single time

2070
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 3: you lay them up and that's why they are my

2071
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:51,480
Speaker 3: two favorite sports. You can't you can't play boxing.

2072
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:53,040
Speaker 4: But since I would show time and I do a

2073
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 4: lot of stuff at boxing, I would like to invite

2074
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 4: just one of the fights coming up.

2075
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:57,520
Speaker 3: Got a good card coming up the rest of this year,

2076
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 3: So like to invite you. You know, first of all,

2077
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:02,000
Speaker 3: I'll take you up on that. Don't they bothers me

2078
02:00:02,040 --> 02:00:05,120
Speaker 3: about boxing? These dudes won't fight each other. Yeah, yeah,

2079
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:08,280
Speaker 3: it really pisses me off because you know, I look

2080
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:12,680
Speaker 3: at Ali. I'm afraid he had three. They had three.

2081
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:16,400
Speaker 3: You don't. And I don't understand why you don't want

2082
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:19,760
Speaker 3: to fight the best, Like I would want to know

2083
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:24,200
Speaker 3: who's better, who's better? Hey, and let me say if

2084
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 3: you beat me, let me get my ass back in

2085
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:28,640
Speaker 3: the gym and see if I can get better.

2086
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Speaker 4: And I hate people say, well, this is the Floyd era.

2087
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Speaker 4: Floyd for everybody, Floyd for everybody. He didn't dunck Nobody's

2088
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Speaker 4: for everybody.

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Speaker 3: The only thing problem I have at Floyd he waited

2090
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:43,480
Speaker 3: too late to fight pack that, but he did everybody. Everybody.

2091
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 3: These young boys said, they all want to be undefeated. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2092
02:00:47,560 --> 02:00:50,120
Speaker 3: they want to Oh and I don't understand though, because

2093
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:52,160
Speaker 3: I would want to say, hey, he beat me the

2094
02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:56,120
Speaker 3: first time. I got better and beat him the second time.

2095
02:00:56,200 --> 02:01:01,480
Speaker 3: Now let's have and that's you want. Can you imagine

2096
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:04,160
Speaker 3: it in our sport if somebody said, well we wanted

2097
02:01:04,160 --> 02:01:09,600
Speaker 3: the East, We're good the West. Yeah, like no, we're

2098
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:12,760
Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference champions. We got got it. Yeah that

2099
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:15,360
Speaker 3: ain't good enough. But man, so that's the only thing

2100
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:17,760
Speaker 3: that bothers me about boxing. But I love it. Yeah,

2101
02:01:18,200 --> 02:01:19,280
Speaker 3: hopefully they'll get back to it.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you probably met everybody in the world. But who's

2103
02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:25,440
Speaker 1: the coolest person you got a chance to meet?

2104
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:35,160
Speaker 3: But Denzel was great. Jack Nicholson was great guy that

2105
02:01:35,960 --> 02:01:39,000
Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson. Uh. When I met Sam Jackson for the

2106
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 3: first time, it was I still want to meet you

2107
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:49,360
Speaker 3: know in these commercials, we uh Willan Nelson, isn't it?

2108
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,200
Speaker 3: And I told Spike, I said, Spike, why in the

2109
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:54,680
Speaker 3: hell did you tell me you were gonna be with

2110
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:58,040
Speaker 3: will and Nelson? I want to meet WILLI Nelson? Uh

2111
02:01:58,240 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 3: Idris Elba, I want to meet him. I met Edie

2112
02:02:03,240 --> 02:02:05,200
Speaker 3: Murphy one time. It was pretty cool.

2113
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said you met Snoop one time.

2114
02:02:07,720 --> 02:02:10,080
Speaker 3: I was excited to meet Snoop. I mean it's not often.

2115
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:12,320
Speaker 3: I met doctor Dre a long time ago, you know,

2116
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:15,360
Speaker 3: snoopid living legend. It was pretty cool to meet him.

2117
02:02:15,920 --> 02:02:16,760
Speaker 3: I want to meet him and.

2118
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:19,800
Speaker 4: Them if anybody get a chance to hang out with you,

2119
02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:22,080
Speaker 4: because I had a chance to hang out with you

2120
02:02:22,120 --> 02:02:22,879
Speaker 4: the Big Three.

2121
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:25,080
Speaker 3: As soon as I walk to my wife and chanced

2122
02:02:25,080 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 3: to speak to him. Good. As soon as you say, Jack, hey,

2123
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:33,000
Speaker 3: he's been me telling me the boy's hey, man, we're

2124
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:38,040
Speaker 3: in the same fraternity. Anybody is in my fraternity, We're good.

2125
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:40,560
Speaker 3: You know what it takes to get to the NBA

2126
02:02:40,680 --> 02:02:44,200
Speaker 3: both and after. Yeah, But you know, like if you

2127
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:51,200
Speaker 3: get to the game, I'm like, I respect that, because

2128
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:54,280
Speaker 3: like the way this thing works is we all play

2129
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:59,600
Speaker 3: high school a couple more, only a couple move home. Yeah,

2130
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:04,280
Speaker 3: get to college, play there even less. Then to get

2131
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:08,160
Speaker 3: then you get to the Big Boy even less. And

2132
02:03:08,280 --> 02:03:12,640
Speaker 3: if you get there, you're like, damn man, much respect.

2133
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:16,600
Speaker 3: You got to the dance and everybody's trying to get

2134
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:17,040
Speaker 3: to the dance.

2135
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:21,160
Speaker 1: If everybody in the world, the whole world, the whole world.

2136
02:03:22,240 --> 02:03:26,720
Speaker 4: Final question, if you could see anyone on our show,

2137
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:27,360
Speaker 4: who would it be?

2138
02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:30,560
Speaker 1: But you have to help us get your answer on

2139
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:35,360
Speaker 1: the show. We had everybody on your show already. So,

2140
02:03:37,240 --> 02:03:39,160
Speaker 1: but you went to college with someone we really want.

2141
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah who you watched this high school football game?

2142
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? Does he do interviews? He does not. He does not.

2143
02:03:52,160 --> 02:03:54,680
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what I will call boy. You

2144
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:58,000
Speaker 3: have my word? Thank you appreciate that. I appreciate it.

2145
02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:00,160
Speaker 3: You have my word. I will reach out to both.

2146
02:04:00,160 --> 02:04:03,160
Speaker 1: Appreciate big fan he did each other and I ask

2147
02:04:03,240 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 1: him and he'll like kind of laugh around it. So

2148
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:06,720
Speaker 1: if maybe if you put the pressure on, it's a

2149
02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:09,760
Speaker 1: good dude man. Seemed like a great nose podcast. Does

2150
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:11,960
Speaker 1: he hopefully have my word?

2151
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:13,960
Speaker 3: I'll reach out to would be huge?

2152
02:04:14,200 --> 02:04:14,320
Speaker 2: Ya?

2153
02:04:14,920 --> 02:04:15,280
Speaker 3: Who else?

2154
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:15,560
Speaker 4: Uh?

2155
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:17,120
Speaker 3: No?

2156
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:17,520
Speaker 2: No?

2157
02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:20,120
Speaker 3: Oh, Samuel.

2158
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:23,120
Speaker 4: Well, I'm looking up to Samuel because I'm starting my

2159
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:27,120
Speaker 4: acting lately late forty four. He didn't win his Oscar

2160
02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:29,960
Speaker 4: to the year ago sixty something, So yeah, I look

2161
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:30,400
Speaker 4: up to him.

2162
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:31,920
Speaker 3: Samuel Jack.

2163
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:35,280
Speaker 1: Anybody in your Rolodex will do anybody in Roodex, dude?

2164
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:40,320
Speaker 3: You know so the thing I like Spike, so uh oh, Spike,

2165
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:43,080
Speaker 3: for sure, it's easy. We ain't have Spike either, that's easy.

2166
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:47,800
Speaker 3: Let me tell you this. When they when they approached

2167
02:04:47,880 --> 02:04:54,120
Speaker 3: me four years ago. Uh, they pushed me in Earnest says,

2168
02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:58,720
Speaker 3: you guys want to do a podcast. I'm like, nope, nope, nope,

2169
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:03,520
Speaker 3: I don't want to do no podcast. And I'm like no,

2170
02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:08,240
Speaker 3: And then we were in the middle of the pandemic.

2171
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:11,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, what, these motherfuckers are still paying us. Let's

2172
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:16,800
Speaker 3: help him out. The best decision I made. I'm talking

2173
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:21,840
Speaker 3: to motherfuckers. Cool. They never in my life. We had

2174
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:22,520
Speaker 3: doctor Fauci.

2175
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:24,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

2176
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:30,240
Speaker 3: We had to Chef Andreas on last week. We got

2177
02:05:30,320 --> 02:05:33,320
Speaker 3: Salid Field on next week, this week, next week, next week.

2178
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:39,720
Speaker 3: You know we've had you guys, you guys, you should

2179
02:05:39,720 --> 02:05:45,560
Speaker 3: have on his Messiah Jerry unbelievable. Oh yeah, we had

2180
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:49,200
Speaker 3: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. We had Curby Smart on last week.

2181
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:51,480
Speaker 4: Uh.

2182
02:05:52,040 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 3: I'm kind of thinking we've been doing it. But ben

2183
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:59,000
Speaker 3: people to learn about somebody that you would never cross

2184
02:05:59,080 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 3: paths with. It's pretty interesting and that it was one

2185
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:09,240
Speaker 3: of the best decisions. And just like you guys said

2186
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:11,800
Speaker 3: to me, they'd be throwing names out there, we're gonna

2187
02:06:11,800 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 3: try to get this person. We're gonna try to and

2188
02:06:13,200 --> 02:06:16,520
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, that'll be cool. And uh so yeah,

2189
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:18,760
Speaker 3: keep doing it and getting crazy people on there, like

2190
02:06:19,320 --> 02:06:21,240
Speaker 3: there's people you was like, I ain't no way in

2191
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:23,040
Speaker 3: the hell I thought I'd be sitting in the room

2192
02:06:23,240 --> 02:06:27,400
Speaker 3: with you getting to ask you questions. And it's pretty special, man,

2193
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:28,200
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

2194
02:06:28,280 --> 02:06:30,760
Speaker 1: But also even you know, having you when something we

2195
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:32,400
Speaker 1: looked up to our whole life, get to have an

2196
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:35,280
Speaker 1: in depth conversation with you. Normally it's superficial or surface

2197
02:06:35,320 --> 02:06:36,600
Speaker 1: because we don't have that kind of time. But for

2198
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:38,000
Speaker 1: you to sit down and really chap in.

2199
02:06:38,280 --> 02:06:47,440
Speaker 3: Two hours because I don't do these because I got

2200
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:49,240
Speaker 3: a lot of love and respect for both of y'all.

2201
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:51,800
Speaker 3: The only reason I'm doing it because I don't do

2202
02:06:51,960 --> 02:06:56,360
Speaker 3: sit downs. Because number one, I'm like, fuck, I need

2203
02:06:56,440 --> 02:06:58,400
Speaker 3: you to watch me. I don't want to give all

2204
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:01,440
Speaker 3: my ship away, at all my ship away. I want

2205
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:03,560
Speaker 3: you to watch me. He mopucker pay me to get

2206
02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:06,760
Speaker 3: people to watch and if I go on TV, everybody

2207
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:09,120
Speaker 3: show Yeah, I said no, I said, but I said,

2208
02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:11,320
Speaker 3: oh yeah, let's make it work. And I'm glad because

2209
02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:13,800
Speaker 3: when we when we when you first hit me, I

2210
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:17,960
Speaker 3: was like, fuck, I'm shooting commercials and I said, okay,

2211
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:21,480
Speaker 3: I'm so glad y'all were able to stay because I

2212
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:24,040
Speaker 3: was like, Man, I because you know, you know, when

2213
02:07:24,040 --> 02:07:25,600
Speaker 3: you shoot a commercial, you show up like seven in

2214
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:27,520
Speaker 3: the morning, get out of there like nine at night.

2215
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 1: God said, Chuck, we make any day work, you just and.

2216
02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:35,520
Speaker 3: I said, hey, let's make it work. So thank you, brother, man,

2217
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:38,200
Speaker 3: appreciate it. He We got some for you. And Man,

2218
02:07:38,240 --> 02:07:41,560
Speaker 3: I like free ship and I know you like gear.

2219
02:07:41,880 --> 02:07:43,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can get that all the smoke gear

2220
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:45,960
Speaker 4: at All the Smoke Store if you would like to

2221
02:07:46,040 --> 02:07:46,960
Speaker 4: be fresh like the O G.

2222
02:07:47,200 --> 02:07:50,440
Speaker 3: Chuck All the Smoke Store. Man, Chuck.

2223
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:53,480
Speaker 1: We again, we appreciate you, man. We appreciate the path

2224
02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:55,840
Speaker 1: you've you've opened up for a lot of us. Again,

2225
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, you fell on it upon the women. You've

2226
02:07:58,360 --> 02:08:00,880
Speaker 1: mastered it and you continue to get better. And we

2227
02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:02,600
Speaker 1: look up to people like you and look up to

2228
02:08:02,640 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 1: you in particular, and we appreciate everything you've done for

2229
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:06,600
Speaker 1: the game, everything you've done post career.

2230
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:10,320
Speaker 3: So thank you very much for that. Oh you oh

2231
02:08:10,680 --> 02:08:13,560
Speaker 3: ohe it the games giving me everything. Yeah, I want

2232
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:16,160
Speaker 3: to share it. Yeah, thank you. That's a rap. Charles

2233
02:08:16,240 --> 02:08:17,400
Speaker 3: Barkley All the Smoke.

2234
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:19,520
Speaker 1: You can catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the

2235
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:22,320
Speaker 1: iHeart platform black effects. This one's probably gonna come on

2236
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:23,880
Speaker 1: linear TV, though, so you're gonna be able to catch

2237
02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:26,320
Speaker 1: this one on showtime. So we'll see y'all next week.

2238
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:27,160
Speaker 3: Peace,