WEBVTT - The Cycle: Rounding The Bases (Ep. 1013)

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome into the cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Ryan Warmley, joined today by Mike Mayor. Mayor

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking to baseball. It's the middle of May. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know have anything specific to bring up.

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<v Speaker 3>How's it going well? Then it would be a great show.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll be a short show if you don't have anything

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<v Speaker 3>to do with it to talk about. I wish my

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<v Speaker 3>Red Sox were better. They just got swept by the Tigers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not great, especially for a team that could use

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<v Speaker 3>a few wins. And my fantasy teams are all over

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<v Speaker 3>the place. Some are doing really well, some are doing

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<v Speaker 3>really really poorly, and hopefully everyone out there's teams are

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<v Speaker 3>doing much better than minor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're not here to talk about how our real

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<v Speaker 2>life teams are doing. As a Red Sox fan and

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<v Speaker 2>an Orioles fan, there's nothing I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>less than the Baltimore Orioles at this very moment, although

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to talk about some of them in today's show.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about your fantasy teams. Some doing well, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing very poorly. Speaking of doing very poorly, let's

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<v Speaker 2>dive right into rounding the bases, and we're starting off

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<v Speaker 2>with taking the l who can we admit we were

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<v Speaker 2>about this year. We are now over a month and

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<v Speaker 2>a half into the season, Mayor it is time that

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<v Speaker 2>we can start saying, Okay, this is no longer strictly

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<v Speaker 2>a small sample size. Obviously to a degree it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, baseball is a long term, large sample sized sport.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, we're getting to that point where we

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<v Speaker 1>can really kind of start.

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<v Speaker 2>To reevaluate what we were thinking about before the season

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<v Speaker 2>and say like this this is the new normal for

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<v Speaker 2>some of these guys, or at the very least something

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<v Speaker 2>we need to be reacting to and thinking deeper about

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And I'll just bring it up first because

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about the Orioles Adley Rushman. I was extraordinarily

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<v Speaker 2>high on him as the best catcher in fantasy coming

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<v Speaker 2>into the season. I thought we were in line for

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<v Speaker 2>a very locked in Adley season where he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to take the leave and be like not just the

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<v Speaker 2>best catcher, but like clearly the best catcher in fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the best overall hitters in fantasy, worth

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<v Speaker 2>a top fifty pick in drafts. I was very, very

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<v Speaker 2>into Adley this.

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<v Speaker 1>Year, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't want to like try and justify

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<v Speaker 2>being wrong because he's been very bad. There is a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of underlying data that says he has been hitting

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<v Speaker 2>the ball better than his numbers would suggest, So I

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<v Speaker 2>do want to give him some degree of credit there

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<v Speaker 2>and say there has been an element of bad luck,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm willing to recognize that. But this is now

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<v Speaker 2>basically a year long slump. Because the second half of

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<v Speaker 2>last year he was very bad. This year he has

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<v Speaker 2>been worse. A one ninety seven batting average, His on

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<v Speaker 2>base percentage is under three hundred, is ops to six

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three. He has four home runs, but two of

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<v Speaker 2>those came in March. I mean he has been one

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<v Speaker 2>of the worst hitters in baseball. He's still been batting

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<v Speaker 2>like third or cleanup in a lot of lineups, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's getting opportunities to figure it out. But average ecxs

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<v Speaker 2>of velocity thirty six percentile, barrel rate forty nine percentile,

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<v Speaker 2>hard hit rate twenty eighth percentile, bat speed twenty fifth percentile.

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<v Speaker 2>His expected numbers for things like wOBA and bad.

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<v Speaker 3>You already named all the bad ones. Everything else is great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, I'm highlighting that the ball is not coming

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<v Speaker 2>off off the bat very well. But he what he

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<v Speaker 2>is doing very well is he's not chasing his withf raise,

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<v Speaker 2>Chase Raider or elite Elite, So he's not like striking

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<v Speaker 2>out a ton. It's his lowestriker out of his career.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually walk right roughly in line with everything else. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's just been so bad, and it's been like a

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<v Speaker 2>year of this, and I'm willing to take maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>the L saying like you should drop him, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>willing to take the L on him being the best

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<v Speaker 2>catcher in fantasy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's too early to take the L on him.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe he won't catch up to the best catcher in fantasy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he's not going to be Carson Kelly. Who

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<v Speaker 3>is you know who can be Carson Kelly. But like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, like a lot of his expected numbers are

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<v Speaker 3>much better. He's batting one ninety one, he's expected batting

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<v Speaker 3>averages two seventy nine. It's so much higher. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think the Orioles as an organization, as like a lineup,

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<v Speaker 3>are just kind of like messy right now, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>just caught up in that. He's swinging strike rate is

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<v Speaker 3>actually down pretty significantly. He was six point eight percent

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<v Speaker 3>last year, it's four point five percent this year. Hard

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<v Speaker 3>hit numbers are up, barrel numbers are up. Fly Ball

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<v Speaker 3>numbers are about the same. Home run to flyball about

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<v Speaker 3>the same two to eleven. Bad bit is not doing

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<v Speaker 3>him any favors. So I think he's like in a slump,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's also getting a ton of bad luck here

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<v Speaker 3>and that the numbers are going to normalize to the

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<v Speaker 3>point where he'll be like a rosterbule catch rosterable. That's

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<v Speaker 3>hard to say, catcher. It's probably too late to be

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<v Speaker 3>the best catcher in fantasy as you were hoping for.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think he could easily finish like top eight

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<v Speaker 3>with a you know, if he turns it around set.

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<v Speaker 2>The Orioles as an organization are a red flag for

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<v Speaker 2>me with him, Like I have a lot of problems

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<v Speaker 2>with their approach at their plate. I don't understand why

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<v Speaker 2>they're not firing Brandon Hyde. I also don't understand why

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<v Speaker 2>they're not firing at least they're hitting coach. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>they they need to completely revamp the approach to this organization.

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<v Speaker 2>They have seen over one thousand fewer pitches this season

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<v Speaker 2>collectively as a team than the Red Sox have like

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<v Speaker 2>they are not taking pitches. It is impacting them. Adley,

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<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, is consistently taking pitches right down

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 2>It is that's going on with this team, but the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that should be stars are not hitting well, and

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<v Speaker 2>Adley is right at the forefront of that. I'm really nervous,

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<v Speaker 2>and it scares me that this has been a trend

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<v Speaker 2>multiple years now of getting worth twenty twenty three, his

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<v Speaker 2>OPS was eight or nine. Twenty twenty four, ISPs was

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<v Speaker 2>seven oh nine twenty twenty five, ISPs is six twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that there's some bad luck baked in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that the expected numbers are better. They weren't

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<v Speaker 2>really in the second half of last year. This year,

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<v Speaker 2>it does seem like more bad luck than playing badly

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<v Speaker 2>that I think there were some injury stuff in the

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<v Speaker 2>second half of last year. But we're coming up on

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<v Speaker 2>like almost a year of a really, really poor performer,

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel like I was out over my skis

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<v Speaker 2>about him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's also older than I than I thought he was

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<v Speaker 3>like an old prospect, and I would have expected him

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<v Speaker 3>really like twenty four and he is twenty seven. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about this all the time. I in twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>was screaming from the mountaintops. Everybody said, what, Adley's the

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<v Speaker 2>most obvious consensus number one pick we've had in years.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, they need to take Bobby with junior

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<v Speaker 2>because it was year one of this half decade rebuild.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, by the time Adley is playing at

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<v Speaker 2>a major league level, at a high level and the

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<v Speaker 2>team is good around him, he's going to be in

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<v Speaker 2>his late twenties, and that's basically what's happening. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like saying this, anybody who would listen to I

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<v Speaker 2>love Adly, like the player. He's been a great representative

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<v Speaker 2>for the city, kind of a face of the rebuild

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of those years.

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<v Speaker 1>But I sure would rather have had probably Witt.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said that the day of the draft. I

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<v Speaker 2>would have rather had Wit for no other reason than

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<v Speaker 2>the age. I just thought it was poor, poor planning.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, that's a conversation for another day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but he is sneaky older, so like there's not that

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<v Speaker 2>and like he did not sign an extension with the team.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that might be a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if he continues to hit poorly, another year

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<v Speaker 2>older as a catcher, a lot of games in college,

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<v Speaker 2>Like yes, a mistake for him to not have taken

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<v Speaker 2>the sure thing extension and kind of waited out. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes these players bet on themselves and it works out

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<v Speaker 2>tremendously well. Other times your value is out what you

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I still think aad they would get a

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<v Speaker 2>huge contract if you know, if he wanted to sign,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if it would be as big

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<v Speaker 2>as he had kind of anticipated early on, given the

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<v Speaker 2>age and position and the performance.

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<v Speaker 3>So two more.

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<v Speaker 1>The other guy I throughout there is Devin Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of my bold predictions on the show

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<v Speaker 2>was that he could get like cy Young votes this year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's clearly not happening, you know it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a bold prediction for a reason. It wasn't intended to

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<v Speaker 2>be a GIMMEI he's just been awful. I mean he's

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<v Speaker 2>been really He's expected ERA is five ten, which is

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<v Speaker 2>three points three runs higher than his actual or to

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<v Speaker 2>me three runs lower turns better is what I should

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<v Speaker 2>say than his actually ERA of eight thirty six.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been really, really bad, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine there's a path to him getting better,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the second half of the season, but so

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<v Speaker 2>far it sure looks like a big fat l that

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<v Speaker 2>I need to take.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I don't even have too much to add there,

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<v Speaker 3>because I mean, no one could have really predicted this,

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<v Speaker 3>because he was so good and then going to an

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<v Speaker 3>environment where he should have gotten a ton of save opportunities,

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<v Speaker 3>and it just could not be going worse for him

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<v Speaker 3>right now. And like for him to already be like

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<v Speaker 3>not you know, the lockdown, No, not like lock but

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<v Speaker 3>like the locked in closer for the Yankees and we're

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<v Speaker 3>in mid May, isn't like no one could have predicted that.

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<v Speaker 1>The walk rate is a little high.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it's it's pretty high, but it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's usually been around twelve percent. It's in

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen percent, So it's very bad. The alarming number is

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<v Speaker 2>the strikeout rate, because you look at the last few years,

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<v Speaker 2>since twenty twenty, it's been fifty three, thirty eight, forty

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seven, forty three. This year it's twenty three and

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<v Speaker 2>a half percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Strike hou r.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just not striking on anybody, Yeah, I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Whips won seventy nine, I mean, almost double what

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<v Speaker 2>it was last year. Yeah, and the strike out raid

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<v Speaker 2>is almost half what it was last year. The ERA

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<v Speaker 2>is about seven times what it was last year. He

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't had an ERA over two since twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's currently over eight. So yeah, I am willing

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<v Speaker 2>to accept the L. I have Devin Williams in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of places. I don't really know what to do

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<v Speaker 2>with him because I don't really want to drop him,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, and I invested a lot in him

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<v Speaker 2>on Draft Day and that was a mistake. So sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those are kind of my too. I wanted to highlight

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<v Speaker 2>Adlie and Devin Williams who you got.

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<v Speaker 3>So I wanted to give a few here because, as

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<v Speaker 3>I told you before the show, though, I'm taking the

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<v Speaker 3>L on one, but I'm also going to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like pull it back a little bit, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to, like, you know, not fulfill my obligation into

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<v Speaker 3>the segment. But my first answer was Jeffrey Springs, just

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<v Speaker 3>because I was really high on him coming into the season.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he was someone you could take mid to late.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like really sneaky high up, like this is

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<v Speaker 3>a guy who you know was talking about Sy Young Boats.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a guy who got Sion votes in the past,

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<v Speaker 3>and he got hurt. We just kind of forgot about him.

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<v Speaker 3>He went from the Rays to the A's and I

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<v Speaker 3>just had really high hopes for him and thought he

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<v Speaker 3>was just like I thought he could be in that

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<v Speaker 3>like league winner category, like someone you could take like

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<v Speaker 3>pretty late on draft day who has a subside. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't think we were gonna get like SP one upside,

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<v Speaker 3>but I thought like we could get like SP two

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<v Speaker 3>upside from Jeffrey Springs. And he got off to a

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<v Speaker 3>really bad start, and part of it was we kind of,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, no one really knew what to expect in

0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.280
<v Speaker 3>that ballpark they were going to. It had the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of the same dimensions as the Oak and Coliseum and

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<v Speaker 3>the balls flying out of there. So immediately some of

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<v Speaker 3>the pitchers that I was targeting on draft Day, like Springs,

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<v Speaker 3>like Luis Severino, don't feel as great about them anymore

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<v Speaker 3>because that home ballpark is just not great. However, I

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<v Speaker 3>will say to pull back the olt a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>In May, he's been really really good, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily think this is the same turning around. I think

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<v Speaker 3>this is just kind of like a mini hot streak

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<v Speaker 3>in what is probably gonna be an overall disappointing season.

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<v Speaker 3>But in May, if I will scroll down to where

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<v Speaker 3>he is, three starts, eighteen innings, one point five zero ERA.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that only comes with nine strikeouts and nine strikeouts

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<v Speaker 3>and eighteen innings not great, but one point five ERA,

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<v Speaker 3>one ninety seven average against and two fifty six WOLL

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<v Speaker 3>but in May all really really good numbers for the

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<v Speaker 3>whole season, still a four point twenty seven ERA with

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<v Speaker 3>expected numbers that are even higher than four to two seven,

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<v Speaker 3>And that four two seven comes after three really really

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<v Speaker 3>good starts in May, which tells you where his RA

0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.000
<v Speaker 3>was before that. So I think it's still an l

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<v Speaker 3>given my high hopes for him, but there is at

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<v Speaker 3>least a glimmer of hope right now that he's pitching

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<v Speaker 3>much better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, springs to So I didn't I don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked him a lot a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>like prior to the injury, and I just didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>that confident kind of investing in him, you know, given

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<v Speaker 2>how little he'd pitched the last couple of years, and

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<v Speaker 2>that there are some question marks with the ballpark, But

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<v Speaker 2>I have always liked the pitcher himself when healthy. So, I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with someone on the same page with you,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't expecting borderline, sp one upside or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, disappointing for him. What where would you rank

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the season, like as an overall pictures, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's put up my rankings this se.

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<v Speaker 3>Where he is I mean, like, it's not he's not

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<v Speaker 3>someone I'm like banking on, Like he's probably he could

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<v Speaker 3>be a free agent in your league and that that

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<v Speaker 3>that means he's probably outside of the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, that's what what is his roster percentage?

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't had exactly one hundred right now?

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<v Speaker 2>You have one hundred one hundred picture picture Yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to assume that's what.

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<v Speaker 1>You Yeah, yeah, okay. Who else do you have?

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<v Speaker 3>Easy one well document on this show, Mike Trout someone

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<v Speaker 3>I have rostered everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you were in on my traut this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I had no idea. I mean, it's an

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<v Speaker 3>L in the sense that it went poorly quickly, But

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that was the risk we knew.

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<v Speaker 1>In the set that No, it is an L. The

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<v Speaker 1>direct reason that everybody was avoiding him. Happened that is

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<v Speaker 1>in l fair And when is he coming back, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, no time here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they're making a lot of definitive statements about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no timetable. He's got a booboo, but no timetable

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<v Speaker 3>for him to return from that boo boo. But again,

0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:32.400
<v Speaker 3>they were not concerned about it when it happened, which

0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.800
<v Speaker 3>to me, like I was watching the game when he left,

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<v Speaker 3>and I mean, maybe there's something I missed, And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I look dumb for saying this, but and I know,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, medical issues like bone bruises like don't

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<v Speaker 3>always like happen in the same way. But like he

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<v Speaker 3>left the game with a lower body injury and then

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<v Speaker 3>eventually it came out that it was like a bone bruise,

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<v Speaker 3>But like, I don't remember anything happening to him that

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<v Speaker 3>would like cause a bone It's not like he got

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<v Speaker 3>like drilled by a pitch and it was like so

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<v Speaker 3>bad that it caused a bone bruise. It was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh he left with like so I'm like need discomfort

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<v Speaker 3>and there's just considering like a bone bruise and I

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<v Speaker 3>know there's other ways to get bone bruises, but like

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<v Speaker 3>that's concerning that, like there's nothing pointing to it. And

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<v Speaker 3>then they said they weren't concerned. And then he went

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<v Speaker 3>on the IL and they were like, oh, he should

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<v Speaker 3>be fine. And then like you know, we're now two

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<v Speaker 3>weeks in and he's like doing some light baseball activities.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, if this is just a bone bruise, what

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<v Speaker 3>are we doing here? And it's just like I posted

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<v Speaker 3>the other day, like this is very concerning that. There's

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<v Speaker 3>just like no information and it's like we've seen this

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<v Speaker 3>before with Mike Trout. It's like nothing. Burger turns into

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<v Speaker 3>like he's gone forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not great, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's straightforward.

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<v Speaker 1>One's next.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And like you said before, I forget it was

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<v Speaker 3>a fun when you were on the show. When Kelly

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<v Speaker 3>was here. It was like almost like to the day

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<v Speaker 3>last year when he went down too, like at the

0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.440
<v Speaker 3>end of April, like the last day AVAIRIL. The other

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<v Speaker 3>one is very similar to your Devin Williams one. I

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<v Speaker 3>rarely go closer early, but in a few leagues this

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<v Speaker 3>year I wanted to kind of lock in a top

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<v Speaker 3>tier closer and thought that the price was right to

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<v Speaker 3>get Emmanuel class A, and that's gone even worse than

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<v Speaker 3>Devin Williams in some ways. I mean, the numbers are

0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.960
<v Speaker 3>technically not as bad as Devin Williams, but he already

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<v Speaker 3>lost the job like a couple weeks before Devin Williams,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not clear if he's going to get it back,

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<v Speaker 3>in part because I think the Guardians have a couple

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<v Speaker 3>other good options in the late innings. I think the

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<v Speaker 3>plan is still to get him back and have him

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<v Speaker 3>be the closer, but uh boy, it is not going good.

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<v Speaker 3>He has four point nine to one era expect the

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<v Speaker 3>numbers are all much better, so there is like some

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<v Speaker 3>signs he's like turning this around.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm more confident in him kind of bouncing back

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest of the year than I am Devin Williams.

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<v Speaker 3>You think, so, why why is it so some.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the expected numbers are better and like at the

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<v Speaker 2>very least like Devin Williams. You could say, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he's with a new team, a new ballpark, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>can point to things that changed that maybe are hampering

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<v Speaker 2>him for some reason, Like I don't know that that's

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<v Speaker 2>the case here. I mean, it's just he's just pitching

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<v Speaker 2>worse than I expected.

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<v Speaker 3>So I will say Class I has like technically already

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<v Speaker 3>kind of gotten the job back. He has been converting

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<v Speaker 3>saved more recently. He is usable in some of those leagues,

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<v Speaker 3>and the numbers have been better over the last like week.

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<v Speaker 2>I invested heavily in our Fantasy pros Insiders Baseball league.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a head to head categories, and I decided to

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<v Speaker 2>go very very heavy on pitching, both starters and relievers,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have both of these, have both of our

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<v Speaker 2>relievers on where.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, at least Class A is like usable. Now you know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe taking the ls too early because he has

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like I was worried when he first lost

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<v Speaker 3>the job. They have Hunter Gaddis and they have I

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<v Speaker 3>forget the other reliever who actually got the job temporarily

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<v Speaker 3>ahead of a Hunter Gadus, But it was I was like, well,

0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:00.960
<v Speaker 3>he might just not get this Jop back. But he

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<v Speaker 3>has recently. He hasn't like looked that great, but he

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<v Speaker 3>has been atleast getting saved, so you can use him

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<v Speaker 3>in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>go to our second topic here of rounding the bass

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor joseel Tuve.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he cooked? Is he washed? Is he finished?

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<v Speaker 2>Being an elite Fantasy contributor. His ops is under seven

0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.719
<v Speaker 2>hundred right now, he is batting two fifty six. His

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<v Speaker 2>OBP is just three oh two. His slugging is three

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine. He has four home runs and three stolen bases.

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<v Speaker 2>His and I don't know if you have looked at this,

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<v Speaker 2>I put it in the note. His stack cast data

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<v Speaker 2>is horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>It is absolutely abysmal.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifth percent expect its fifth percentile, excuse me, expected wOBA

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<v Speaker 2>twelve percentile, expect to batting average, eleventh expected slugging, first percentile,

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<v Speaker 2>average activelosity.

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<v Speaker 1>His average activelosity is eighty four point four miles an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also first percentile and sweet spot rate, his bat

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<v Speaker 2>speed is well, I mean it's all blue. His chase

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<v Speaker 2>rate is up, his barrel rate is down. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it has just been really really abysmal.

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<v Speaker 1>Across the board. He is thirty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, is this a great longtime elite player taking that

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<v Speaker 2>step down?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see this as still early season? Small sample size?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the underlying data is just so poor that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you can have any confidence in

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<v Speaker 2>him at this age.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is almost another l I can take. Not

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<v Speaker 3>that I was heavily invested in him this year, but

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<v Speaker 3>I actually kind of predicted this downfall like two or

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<v Speaker 3>three years ago and ended up being like way too early,

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of banking on a player because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's very small, and just kind of like banking on

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't expect a player that small to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>age very gracefully, especially on like the power side, and

0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.600
<v Speaker 3>he had dealt with some lower body injuries. I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if the speed kind of flounders and the power might

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<v Speaker 3>not be there, like how valuable iscy for fantasy? And

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<v Speaker 3>of course he's still been really good the last two

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<v Speaker 3>or three years. But now maybe it's because I do

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<v Speaker 3>have a couple shares of him. I didn't like aggressively

0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.280
<v Speaker 3>target in, but I do have him in a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of places, in part because I liked the idea of

0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:37.440
<v Speaker 3>where he was going and then he was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be outfield, infield, you know, like outfield, second base. Eligible

0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:45.080
<v Speaker 3>walk grade is fine, strike out right is about the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Bat in two fifty six is like well below. He's

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<v Speaker 3>a career three or five hitter. He's batting two fifty

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<v Speaker 3>six with an expected batting average that's thirty points lower

0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.200
<v Speaker 3>than that, So that's not great. The hard hit numbers

0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.159
<v Speaker 3>are about the same, swing strike is actually lower, barrel

0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.600
<v Speaker 3>percentage way down. So, like he said, there are some

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<v Speaker 3>like concerning underlying numbers there. And we've kind of talked

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<v Speaker 3>about the same thing with a Christian Walker, and like

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<v Speaker 3>Marcus Semon is like these are like much older players,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's it's hard to tell in the early in

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<v Speaker 3>the season. Is like you said, is this just a

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<v Speaker 3>small sample size, is it a slow start, or are

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<v Speaker 3>we seeing the cliff? Is this because just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like the new like version of this player as they've gotten,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they're in their mid thirties now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the answer to that question is, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>like if it is kind of the new normal with

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<v Speaker 2>Josel Tuve, or if it is you know, hey, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's a star. We should have trusted him to figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out. I tend to lean towards the negative side

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<v Speaker 2>of that answer, and thinking that this is somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>I would sell low on, for example, if you can,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would not want to buy low on. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean again, like the numbers are all bad and the

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<v Speaker 2>expected data is worse. That's a pretty bad formula for

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<v Speaker 2>a guy in his mid thirties. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't let the players of twenty years ago when steroids

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<v Speaker 2>were rampant, you know, color our perspective, Like, mid thirties

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<v Speaker 2>is a very reasonable time to fall off a cliff, right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is not unheard of physically, if if

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<v Speaker 2>that is in fact, what's happening. So and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like that the Houston lineup is you know what it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's heyday either to kind of help bump him

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<v Speaker 2>up with some of the counting stats too. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I I think it's a pretty sad thing

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<v Speaker 2>to watch. I mean, unless you hate the Astros, which

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<v Speaker 2>would be totally justified, but it's sad.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have enjoyed watching al TV over the years.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you willing to buy low on him right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I mean he's he.

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<v Speaker 2>I would pick him up if somebody dropped him, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not giving up anything. You know, I would trade

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<v Speaker 2>from our conversation last week, I would trade haave baias

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<v Speaker 2>for him, but like pretty much not much more than

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<v Speaker 2>that I want. I want nothing to do with all

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<v Speaker 2>two because the problem with All two a too is

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<v Speaker 2>if you have him, you're gonna start him like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be the guy who sits out to

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<v Speaker 2>VA when he finally gets it going again, And so

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<v Speaker 2>every week he's just gonna be dragging you down unless

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<v Speaker 2>he really does figure it out. So like I would

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<v Speaker 2>buy him for the absolute barrassed minimum price, literally free.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything beyond that, no, I have no interest in.

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<v Speaker 3>Buying I it's kind of stats aren't.

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<v Speaker 1>That bad, but his underlying stuff is even worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, but he hasn't killed you in your line up,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's still hit in two fifty four months, three

0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.160
<v Speaker 3>stolen bases. It's not that bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have him in our head to head

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<v Speaker 2>points deep keeper league, and in that league he is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you look at the last several years,

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<v Speaker 2>his points per game in this format have been you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is going back like a decade four and a half,

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<v Speaker 2>four and a half, three and a half four, two

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<v Speaker 2>and a half. That was twenty twenty four four four

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<v Speaker 2>and a half three. This year it's barely over two.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, it's a pretty steep drop. And that's just

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<v Speaker 2>one scoring format, but it's a pretty steep drop. Yeah,

0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:08.720
<v Speaker 2>he's been caught stealing as many times as he's stolen

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<v Speaker 2>a base, Like the speed might not be there anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his sprint speed is forty six percentile this year.

0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:17.879
<v Speaker 3>What is it not?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Actually I'm looking, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, but I mean usually he can get you

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.000
<v Speaker 2>a handful of stolen basism like the pestles.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's actually pretty normal in life for him, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I take I take back that as a criticist. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years at least, it's pretty normal,

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<v Speaker 2>like into his thirties. Earlier on it was different.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, where do you think he is on Fantasy

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.919
<v Speaker 3>Bro's VBR, Like overall, like, and I know that's a

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<v Speaker 3>difficult gauge. So like let's say above or below one fifty,

0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:49.640
<v Speaker 3>like tie players, hitters, top hitters.

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess maybe in the like one thirty to

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<v Speaker 1>forty range.

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<v Speaker 3>Very close. You're getting warmer. You want to try and

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<v Speaker 3>get closer.

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<v Speaker 1>One forty five. Ooh ah close?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I mean again, it's it's the counting sets

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<v Speaker 2>being down from usual coupled with the underlying SATs being

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 2>much much worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to buy him?

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<v Speaker 3>I buy low?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, we see.

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<v Speaker 3>That depends on what the price is. Like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm always wanted to buy it by very low, but

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<v Speaker 3>I just think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I said, I'll buy free, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to buy low.

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 3>But I figure if he was last year about it,

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 3>two ninety five twenty home onre twenty two stolen bases,

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.240
<v Speaker 3>even if he bats like two sixty fifteen home runs

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.439
<v Speaker 3>fifteen stolen bases, that's still very valuable to me.

0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that he's going to get there, though.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see, We'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we will see. Let's go to our news notes

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<v Speaker 1>and injuries. We can run through these quickly, so real quick.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the Top News Shane mcclanahan's still feeling discomfort

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.919
<v Speaker 3>in that pitching arm, with that nerve issue. Don't love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been kind of stashing him a couple of places,

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 3>and I feel like it might be times of just

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 3>kind of cut loose. It's uh if he's like not

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 3>even he just recently started throwing and he's immediately feeling discomfort.

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 3>We don't really have like it's a nerve issue. It's

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 3>like hard to kind of like it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not like a like a torn labor where you like

0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 3>know he's done, or like a muscle strain where you

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 3>know it's going to be like a few weeks. We

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:24.960
<v Speaker 3>don't really have a ton of infoto go on on

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<v Speaker 3>like a nerve issue. And you know, I'm if you've

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:29.719
<v Speaker 3>still been stashing him. It's now mid May. You know,

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:32.000
<v Speaker 3>are you I know you have him somewhere. Are you

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<v Speaker 3>just continuing to hold on?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I don't.

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean it's easy enough to just stick him

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<v Speaker 2>on an il spot, and I haven't the places where

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I have him, I haven't felt like I've really needed to.

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:47.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, I just got a cut bait to make

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 2>a room for some other like hot shot call up

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 2>or something. So I've been comfortable just sitting on him

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and hoping all about.

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<v Speaker 3>In this scenario, I have him in TGFBI where there's

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<v Speaker 3>no il spots. It's a deep league, fifteen teams, five outfielders.

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:04.679
<v Speaker 3>He's just been taking up a bench spot for me,

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.960
<v Speaker 3>and it's not like there's a ton the great players available,

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 3>like you said on in Free Agencies that he's just

0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 3>been sitting on my bench. But I don't know how

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 3>much longer I can just have an empty bench spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, But I mean like that's the thing is

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 1>like who are you getting in it? Deeply? Like that,

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<v Speaker 1>who are.

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<v Speaker 2>You picking up to replace him with? That has that

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of upside, I'd rather just sit on the upside.

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if there's a scenario where it's like you

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<v Speaker 2>desperately need to pick somebody up, like let's say you

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 2>have you know, let's see if Freddy Freeman and he

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:35.880
<v Speaker 2>goes on the IL and you don't want to drop

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:37.879
<v Speaker 2>Freddy Freeman, but you don't have a backup first basement,

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.000
<v Speaker 2>he desperately need to pick him up, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>like somebody good on the on the waivers, like yeah, sure,

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 2>like a specific scenario like that, I'd be open to it,

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 2>but like in general, I'm not just looking to drop

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 2>him for the sake of having another bench spot, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care, No, I don't care that much about

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 2>having one more bench spot if if whoever I pick

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 2>up is not even going to be really in contention

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<v Speaker 2>to start for me.

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<v Speaker 3>How about this, what if would you rather stay Sean

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:03.679
<v Speaker 3>McClanahan or Shane Bieber? And I can give you an

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 3>update on Shane Bieber. He uh just recently just started

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 3>like throwing off a mound. At least that he's still

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 3>a ways away from returning from Tommy John surgery. But

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 3>at least with him, I have hope that he could

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 3>be back in like a month, where say McClanahan just

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 3>might be a nothing.

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I would probably rather be stashing McClanahan, But I mean,

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 2>obviously ideally it's neither her. But you know, but if

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm if I'm keeping a bench spot for one of these.

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<v Speaker 3>Well what about in a league like that, Like, would

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 3>would you drop McLanahan for Bieber?

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I think I'd rather have McLanahan in that league because

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I guys coming back from Tommy John. I'm like even

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 2>when they're back. I don't really have any expectations, like, like,

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>even when McClanahan returns, I'm kind of hoping that we'll

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>get something out of him.

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Like Bieber, he could return and it could be like.

0:27:56.480 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Just such a limited role that it doesn't really matter anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair, Okay, so we can go quickly. Tanner Hawk allowed

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 3>eleven earned runs for the second time this year.

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Is that pulling a Hawk or is that pulling an

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Nola?

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<v Speaker 3>That's true. He got off to like a decent start

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 3>and then he got shelled for eleven earned runs, and

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 3>then he looked kind of good and people picked them

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 3>back up and he hurt them again. So it's kind

0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:26.640
<v Speaker 3>of brutal that, especially in like if you think about

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 3>it in like Rodo terms, you probably rostered. How you

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 3>give up eleven earned runs. You dropped him, missed his

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 3>good starts, and then if you picked him up again,

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.479
<v Speaker 3>you got hit with eleven earned runs again. So there

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 3>are probably people out there that have like missed his

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 3>two or three good starts and just have twenty two

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 3>earned runs on the books thanks to Tanner Hawk. Lucas Giolito,

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to make of him. He had

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 3>a good start, a really bad start, and then another

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 3>good start. I've seen a lot of optimism for him

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 3>in this space. I kind of don't see it when

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 3>I want, Like, something just looks off to me, even

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 3>I was listening to another show I think it was

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 3>the CBS Guys recently where they talked about him looking

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.479
<v Speaker 3>better and his vlos as fastball is up. His los

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 3>ages fastball was up, but I was watching the game

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 3>he was also really struggling to locate it, which tells

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 3>me he was maybe overthrowing to kind of get that

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 3>velocity backup, and he just didn't look that sharp to

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 3>me despite the good numbers. One of the bigger news

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 3>items is the Dodgers are calling up catching prospect Dalton Rushing,

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 3>and the more important thing is it sounds like he could.

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 3>He's a very top you know, he's a very highly

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 3>rated prospect. He's like maybe their top prospect. And the

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 3>good thing there is that he's a catching prospect but

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 3>should be in the lineup in other ways, Like he

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 3>can play a little first base, he can play a

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 3>little outfield, and so there's a chance he's not just

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 3>the backup to Will Smith. He's someone who's in the

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 3>lineup several times a week.

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>So I saw I thought I saw a quote from

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the Dodgers that they were thinking he was going to

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 2>catch twice a week and then like kind of find

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 2>other at bats elsewhere. I didn't come away from that

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 2>quote thinking like it was going to be enough to

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>be like worth starting in fantasy?

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Did you kind of re that differently?

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 3>I read it as he's going to get enough opportunities,

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 3>and I think he's a good enough prospect where if

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 3>he hits, he'll be in the lineup more. And they

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 3>have enough injuries and enough opportunities. I mean, grant Hi

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.719
<v Speaker 3>once they get healthy. If he hasn't been hitting, he's gone.

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 3>But for me, especially in like a two catcher league,

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 3>if you know you can get a prospect a catcher,

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 3>and even in one catcher league, if you're can to

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 3>afford to like kind of stash him, I do think

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 3>he's a really good prospect. He's a really good hitter,

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 3>and you know he can find his way into the

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 3>lineup in other ways, especially because like Freddy Freeman is

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 3>incredibly hot right now. But it also like there was

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 3>a report that he gets like like an hour or

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 3>more of treatment on his ankle every day, so like

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 3>he's just like scraping scraping it together, like health wise,

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 3>and like he's the kind of player who if they

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 3>have like one more injury, he could be an everyday

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 3>player at the catcher position. Bryce Miller to the IL.

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 3>He's another player I considered for like taking the l on.

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't like historically high on Bryce Miller, but I

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 3>have a ton of shares of him this year because

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 3>I liked where the price was going. So he has

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 3>not looked good and he has gone to the IL.

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 3>Jose Katana everyone was worried about, you know, holding the

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 3>bag and he turns back into Jose Katana, but apparently

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 3>he's just going to the IL. He had a shoulder

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 3>issue and then they said he was fine, he was

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 3>gonna start Saturday, and now he's going to the IL.

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 3>So like not a huge name for Fantasy, but someone

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 3>that we've talked about on the show a bunch recently.

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 3>That's someone where we've been streaming because he just keeps

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 3>pitching well. Ronald Lacune began a rehab assignment and is

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 3>playing the outfield, So I was kind of hoping that happened,

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Like two or three weeks ago, but it's happening now,

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 3>and so that's very exciting, especially if someone who's stashing

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 3>him and Spencer Streider recently threw a SIM game and

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 3>could be returning as early as this week. It hasn't

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 3>been decided yet, maybe by the by this weekend, we'll

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 3>know more if he's going to go in a rehab

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 3>assignment or just kind of come right back to the braves.

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 3>It's it did sound or like, actually, you know, I

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 3>read it, So I will say that I read that

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 3>he his velocity started out fine in a SIM game

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 3>that he threw, but as he went on, the velocity

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of dipped a little bit, which I think can

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 3>be pretty normal for someone, you know, working their way back.

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 3>But you know, it is something worth noting that they

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 3>might have seen that kind of fatigue, you know, because

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 3>they didn't seem like they were concerned for like injured reasons.

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 3>They just thought, you know, he needed to work back

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 3>into the game shape. But worth noting that a velocity

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 3>was down. So it's possible they send him back out

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 3>for a rehab assignment, but he could return as early

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 3>as this week. I've seen some sites projecting him to

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 3>start as early as Tuesday.

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Last topic here on Round on the Base is I

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 2>don't have a ton on this, but I did think

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 2>it was worth mentioning just because it's a big story

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 2>in baseball. Pete Rose and Shulis Joe Jackson.

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 3>What's that? So it's a hot topic, sor. I didn't

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 3>mean to direct you, but yeah, highly debated in the

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 3>space right now.

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Pete Rose and Sheilas Joe Jackson now eligible for

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 2>the Hall of Fame. They've been kind of reinstated into baseball.

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 2>The line of thinking from Manfred was this is a

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>lifetime ban. You know, these guys are obviously no longer

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>with us, some more recently than others, and you know

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>they're now kind of eligible. And I didn't really know.

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 2>I didn't, like, have a ton of strong feelings, but

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I expected to have a ton of strong feelings about it.

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I have somebody who tends to care about the Hall

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 2>of Fame and the history of the sport and.

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Think about this stuff a lot.

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>But as I sat down to think, like what do

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I actually want to say about this on the show,

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I really didn't have much. I'm kind of curious what

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.959
<v Speaker 2>your opinion is. I don't find myself feeling strong like

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I do think it's kind of crappy to like punish

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 2>a guy for his whole life and then when he's

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:35.479
<v Speaker 2>gone and be like, Okay, well now you'll get the

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, the benefit and the value of being enshrined

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 2>in the Hall of Fame.

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 3>That's my take.

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 2>That it's crappy to wait until they're gone.

0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, like Pete Rose like a

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame player, yes, but like even aside from

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 2>the gambling, like the by all accounts isn't wasn't a

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 2>great person. So like it's also hard for me to

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>feel too like zimpthetic for somebody like who you you know,

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 2>maybe doesn't carry himself in that kind of hall of

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>fame way. Now, there's a lot of like bad people

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 2>in the Hall of Fame, so I'm not saying that

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 2>should be like a disqualifying thing, but you know, it

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 2>was hard for me to get up in arms about it,

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I guess, and frankly, like obviously, like I'm aware of

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 2>who shoeless Joe Jackson is, and like the scandal from

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>back then, but that was long going to ago that

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 2>like it's not like I have all the details on

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>that kind of story or anything like that. So like

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>the ultimately, well, yeah, so like that one's like a

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>weird one even like weigh in on and like have

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 2>a strong strong opinion about. But like Pete Rose one

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 2>is like, yeah, I think it's kind of like a

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 2>crappy way to do it by Major League Baseball, But ultimately,

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>like I don't feel that strongly either way, Like, and

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 2>it's not like he's in the Hall of Fame, like

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 2>he still needs to get voted in by the writers,

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>and I genuinely don't know like what they're going to

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 2>do with that.

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm pretty similar in that I didn't have like

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 3>very strong feelings. I saw a lot of very strong feelings,

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 3>like it's ridiculous that they even consider this. I think

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 3>it's in a different bucket than the steroid guys who,

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 3>like I'm you know, I'm pretty on board with with

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 3>not letting some of them in just because like what

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 3>they did directly resulted in their numbers, and so it's

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:03.279
<v Speaker 3>kind of hard to be like, hey, like you were

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 3>one of our best players, but also like you were

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 3>a robot because you cheated.

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Are you just very quickly? Are you I don't think

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 2>we've ever talked about this. Are you somebody who thinks

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 2>that Barry Bonds shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 3>I have very complicated feelings about that. I'm like I

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.360
<v Speaker 3>could go either way. I mean, like, on one hand,

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 3>like he very clearly did steroids, but on the other hand,

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.400
<v Speaker 3>like he never he kind of never got caught, like

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 3>he never actually like there's no proof they did steroids,

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.240
<v Speaker 3>so like it's kind of like catching.

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>He also was a Hall of Famer before steroids.

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, Let's let's let's save Barry Bod's well a week

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 2>where we don't have a ton of great topics.

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's do Barry Bonds in a future. I was

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:43.320
<v Speaker 1>just curious, but yeah, Pete Rose.

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in this case, I like I thought it was like,

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, you're either going to take a stance and

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 3>not let him in the Hall of Fame or make

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 3>him eligible, or like, if you're gonna do it, doable.

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.279
<v Speaker 3>He's alive. Like they waited until he died and they're like,

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 3>all right, now he can be in the Hall of Fame.

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.760
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, all right, Like that's kind of crappy.

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 3>And I've seen some players. Some people talk on the

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 3>space like you know, like if you're permanently ineligible, like

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 3>how are you like eligible now? And I'm like I

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 3>feel like, you know, for like in the case of

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 3>like serless Joe Jackson, like all right, like you're not

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 3>permanently ineligible, but like maybe seventy years after you die

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 3>you can get into the Hall of Fame. Like is

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 3>that a harsh enough punishment for what you did? Which,

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 3>like for his scandal that you know, like that's a

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 3>big one. Like they threw the World Series. Yeah, there's

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 3>no real evidence that he did, because his numbers are

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 3>really good in that World series and he was kind

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 3>of like a not very smart guy apparently, so there

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 3>are theories out there that like he wasn't in on

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 3>it even though he kind of knew and was like

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 3>still playing as hard as as they forget what the

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 3>numbers are, but he batted over three hundred but no

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 3>errors in that game, yeah, or in that series, but

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 3>like you kind of get it, like okay, like this

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 3>is a major thing. You can't throw a world series

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 3>and then get into the get into the Hall of Fame.

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.760
<v Speaker 3>But the Pete Rose one was like it's been debated

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 3>for like decades, and he's kind of gone back and

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 3>forth with like multiple commissioners like in baseball, and it

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:05.799
<v Speaker 3>seemed like at one point it almost felt like it

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 3>was like me dealing with my son, where they were

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 3>like just say sorry, I'm in the Hall of Fame,

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 3>and he was like no, no, I refuse, And it

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 3>almost seemed like, like you said, like if he carried

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.839
<v Speaker 3>himself better and was like more apologetic and like worked

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 3>with Major League Baseball, he probably would have gotten in.

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:20.880
<v Speaker 3>But he just kind of acted like a jerk about it.

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 3>But I do think it's kind of weird that they

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 3>were like okay, like you're not getting in the Hall

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 3>of Fame, and then you die and they're like okay,

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe now.

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like like I guess, yeah, I guess that's my thoughts.

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Like if you want to dig your heels in and

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 2>say Piros will never be in the Hall of Fame,

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I can understand that, thinking like, at the end of

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:38.399
<v Speaker 2>the day, it is a museum and it's really hard

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>to tell the story of Major League Baseball with that.

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 1>It's a woll time hits leader.

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 2>So like I I tend to be on the side

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 2>of letting people in as long as they're on field,

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 2>play warranted. I'm a pretty small hall guy in terms

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 2>of the performance threshold you need to get in, but

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm a big hall guy in terms of there's stuff

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:02.319
<v Speaker 2>around that because it is a museum at the end

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:03.839
<v Speaker 2>of the day. But if you want to like take

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 2>a hard stance on it, I'm okay with that. It

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 2>just feels kind of cruel to say, well, now that

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 2>he's dead, we're gonna lift this, like honestly, like at

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, like it doesn't matter that much, right,

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Like it's like life is short, right, We're we're gonna

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 2>get to kind of celebrate this fun, silly game in

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 2>a really meaningful way. And I love it and I

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:33.359
<v Speaker 2>take it very seriously. By the end of the day,

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 2>it is just a game, and you're gonna like punish

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 2>a guy who like basically gave his whole life to

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:43.720
<v Speaker 2>this sport, and the punish him in a way that says,

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.839
<v Speaker 2>we will give this to you, but not when you

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 2>are around to recognize and enjoy it. It just feels

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of harsh. Like again, it feels harsher to do this.

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Then it would be to just never let him in.

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's an odd move from an odd commissioner

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.759
<v Speaker 3>who I don't I agree with them.

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 2>That is also another conversation for another episode is our

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on Manfred. All right, well, we'll go ahead and

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>wrap up this on that. Be sure to check out

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:12.839
<v Speaker 2>our other episodes of the cycle. This week, We've got

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<v Speaker 2>two more coming your way. We've got some buys and sells,

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<v Speaker 2>some waiver picks, some pitching streamers, all that good stuff

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