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Speaker 3: This week, I'm chatting with Amanda chantal Bacon. She's the

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Speaker 1: We had cold pressed juice, so it was raw, organic

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Speaker 3: And this could be an outdated statistic, but Moon Juice

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Speaker 3: But the thing about that is these days, as you know,

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Speaker 2: How'd your parents feel about that? My mom was really supportive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, crazy, m hmm, yeah I am. The more

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Speaker 1: for many people, whether it's medical, educational, societal. You know,

438
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,239
Speaker 1: look at the mental health issues we are having. It's

439
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: an epidemic. Not much is working right that has been established.

440
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: So where does the quest for happiness bring you? The

441
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: quest for happiness brought me into my physical body first,

442
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: you know, I think it had me traveling around the

443
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 1: world looking for some experience or location that would deliver

444
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: me some peace of mind and security. And really what

445
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: I eventually got to is that I need to get

446
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: into my body and start to sort this out on

447
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: a cellular level. And so that healing journey really started

448
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: as physical, hyper focused on the physical, which I think

449
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: a lot of us actually have to do if you're

450
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: having acute physical symptoms, right, and.

451
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: Then physically like your person, you start traveling a little bit.

452
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so where are we off to.

453
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: I lived in Italy for some time and did traveling

454
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: and did some schooling there. I lived in New Zealand

455
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: and I actually thought that I wanted to be a teacher,

456
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: and so I spent time teaching kindergarten. Well that's pretty special. Yeah.

457
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: I owned up living in Argentina for some years and

458
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: from there was working on a hotel and restaurant project

459
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: that never came to fruition, but what it did do

460
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: was direct me to really figuring out how to work

461
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: with food and this it has been years of traveling

462
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: really seeing hey, I'm tuning into these traditional foods, peasant foods,

463
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: herbal medicine, of wherever I was, and that really being

464
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: a joyful place for me.

465
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: It's really special to me when I hear you talk

466
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: so passionately about food because of what you said about

467
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: how it could have gone one of two ways, and

468
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: how you could have despised foods because of all that

469
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: you had restricted versus having like a very deep appreciation

470
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: for food. Yes, were you preparing things in a different

471
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: way or just experimenting And that's kind of what you

472
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 3: would say or credit inspired you to go down this path.

473
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: You know, I think I actually was born with a

474
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: love of it. You know, my husband's a musician, you

475
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: know that he's living in his ears, and for me,

476
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: I think I have always lived in in my nose

477
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: and my mouth. You know that is really I can

478
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: remember early on just profound memories and you know, sent

479
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: being so evocative as a child, like wow, that was

480
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: the most incredible and powerful experience to smell something that

481
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: would take me to another land, to another place, to

482
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: another lifetime. I don't know, you know, really be moved

483
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: by that. I see some people that are just so

484
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: visual and living through that. So I think I was

485
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: born with that as my dominant power and yeah, situationally.

486
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean eventually this inspires you to come

487
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: back and go to culinary school.

488
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

489
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: So I went to a culinary school in Vermont that

490
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: was dealing with not just the preparation with food, but

491
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: really food politics. This school in particular, could really speak

492
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: to seasonality. This was pre farm to table movement, so

493
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: really getting into some of that. This was a time

494
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: when Americans didn't know that tomatoes had a season, and

495
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: so this was really a place where I could go

496
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: speak to you know, coming from Italy, coming from Argentina,

497
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: coming from other places in the world where seasonality was undeniable,

498
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: and still in the culture that just was not in America.

499
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: We didn't go to farmers' markets too. I mean, now

500
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: it's ever. You know, this is like almond milk at

501
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: this point, the same exact thing, the same exact thing.

502
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: You know, where does your food come from? Seasonality, all

503
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: of that, you know that was not nobody knew who

504
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: else waters was at this point, So really getting into

505
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: that culture going A lot of my classes were on

506
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: food politics, and they were interested in putting chefs out

507
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: into the world that were really going to advocate for

508
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: the environment for small farms in America, So that was

509
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: important to me. So you loved culinary school, It sounds

510
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: like I don't know if I loved it. I loved

511
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: being in Vermont. It was the winter time. I didn't

512
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: have a license because I was a New Yorker and

513
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: had just lived in all these cities and then lived

514
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: in South America where I just drove and didn't have

515
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: a license, and who cares out on the pampas.

516
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: Why not?

517
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have a license in Vermont or a car.

518
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: And I got these high tech snow shoes. What does

519
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: that even mean? When you think snowshoes, you think like

520
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: sinew tied around. Would they look great like hanging on

521
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: a wall in a cabin?

522
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: Oh?

523
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know these were high techs so I think

524
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: they were made out of titanium, and I don't know.

525
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: It was really cool. I actually I'm like ready to

526
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: go back.

527
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: To that place.

528
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: So I had these snow shoes and it actually it

529
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: allows you to walk in the snow very quickly.

530
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, what a fun way to be active.

531
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 3: I know, when you don't have a car, you just

532
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: need to figure out how to snowshoe everywhere.

533
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I had those snowshoes, and I lived in

534
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: a little town and I would, you know, hit your

535
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: ride later during the day with friends that could get

536
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: me to classroom in the campus was spread out, but

537
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: I was also working in a bakery very very very

538
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: early in the morning, and so it was it was

539
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: an incredible time in life that winter. I would get

540
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: up and it would be dark, and I'd put snowshoes on,

541
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: have like my little.

542
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: Baker outfit on underneath the park so she yeah, and

543
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: like head on.

544
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: In, yeah, and snow shoe off, like you know. Through

545
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: I'd go off roading and get to town the short

546
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: way and the sun would just be coming up as

547
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: I got into the bakery. It's incredible. Sounds idyllic, yeah, perfect,

548
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: it was. I would never want to leave this existence

549
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: and then where does and then where does life take you?

550
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: I didn't actually graduate. I left early, and I was like,

551
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: I think I got I think I got it. I

552
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: know how to use a knife. Let me go find

553
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: a chef. I want to work for amazing. So I

554
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: found Susan going in Los Angeles, and I really my

555
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: choice to go, my decision to go work with her

556
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: was really based upon the fact that she was still

557
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. And you know, Alice Waters is such

558
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: a hero, incredible mentor, but not actually physically still in

559
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: the kitchen. So I went and worked with Suzanne. It

560
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: was incredible. How did you make that happen?

561
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: I emailed her. I love it.

562
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: This is actually one of the questions that I love

563
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: people asking me. So say someone sees that I've sat

564
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: down with you and they're like, how did you sit

565
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: down with Amanda? And I'm just like I asked. And

566
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: I think sometimes it's like so many people are just

567
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: afraid to ask for what it is that they want

568
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: because of whatever I don't know, walls that we sell,

569
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 3: however we self limit ourselves or whatever it is that

570
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: we do. And I think that's been probably one of

571
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: my biggest lessons as an entrepreneur myself, is just ask

572
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: for what it is that you want, get in touch,

573
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: do it.

574
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: If you get ignored, who cares knock on the next

575
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: door exactly. I spend actually a lot of my time,

576
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: not a lot of my time, I mean real here,

577
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: I spend time in my DMS talking with people that

578
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't know and they're asking me questions about health

579
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: or you know, birth work, or how to use the

580
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: products or where is that.

581
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: Like bowl from? So I spend more questions.

582
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do spend a percentage of my time answering questions.

583
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: And I don't know who these people are. And then

584
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: sometimes people reach out and they want to do a

585
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: collaboration or there's a podcast or I'm a student and

586
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing X y Z, And like most times I

587
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: try to answer people that get in touch. It's karma

588
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the time as well.

589
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 3: I feel like when you are living a life where

590
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: you're willing to give to other people, then you're also

591
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: very open to receiving the good things that are coming

592
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: back to you.

593
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: And I just think that, you know, there's some magic

594
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: in that. There is, and most of my life has

595
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: been lived just reaching out. So it was an email

596
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: and she got right back to me. She must so

597
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: she'd do you know, the office was right off the kitchen,

598
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: so she just hopped in saw the email. I was

599
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: so green, I had never worked in kitchens. That she'd

600
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: just wanted James Beard Award, so there was really no

601
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: reason in the world she needed to let me in.

602
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: But she said if you can fly out and be

603
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: here on this day, you can do a stage, which

604
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: is you go into a kitchen you work for the evening,

605
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: they assess you and see if they would let you in.

606
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: And to get a stage in itself is a difficult

607
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: thing in the culinary world. It's not like a job interview.

608
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: It really takes a lot to get a stranger into

609
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 1: a small kitchen during working hours.

610
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: And had you ever done anything like that before? No? Wow, No.

611
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: And so I flew out to La again. I had

612
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: no license, and so I stayed at the It's so weird,

613
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years later, like I live here now

614
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: and all of your little lifetimes that you can drive

615
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: by and see. So I stayed at the SLS Hotel,

616
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: which the only reason I could stay there, I think,

617
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: was like forty five dollars a night because they were

618
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: under construction perfect and it was maybe not the SLS

619
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: Hotel yet it was becoming that, okay. So I stayed

620
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: in this room that was really fancy, like some sexy,

621
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: fancy room that I could not believe I was in

622
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: for forty five dollars. But the whole hotel was under construction,

623
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: and I was able to walk to Luke the restaurant. Again,

624
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: this was pre smartphone, so it was like I had

625
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: printed out a million map quest walking directions when I

626
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: was in Vermont at like the Culinary School library, and

627
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: flew to La with them and arrived an hour early,

628
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: praying that nobody would see me like behind the hedges,

629
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: arriving so early, but I just didn't want to be

630
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: lost earlate, right, And I was so nervous.

631
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how does it go?

632
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: I messed everything up that I touched, But I think

633
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: they could see in me like the spirit to work hard.

634
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: And I think on that night, I don't know if

635
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: it was that night or when I first arrived, Like

636
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time cleaning, and I realized, like, Okay,

637
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: I do mess everything up that I touch, but I

638
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: can clean right clean for something, for something, I can

639
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: clean the grease trap that nobody wants to clean. And

640
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: so I really spent a lot of my early days

641
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: there nervous, messing up expensive fruits and vegetables by not

642
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: cutting them correctly, feeling so embarrassed, but really trying hard

643
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: to learn, and then making up for it by just

644
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: like cleaning and staying there and working and cleaning and

645
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: helping when everybody else would leave. And so there's something

646
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: to that. And when I hire people today, I am

647
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: way less interested in your resume and I'm way more

648
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: interested in your spirit and your common sense and your

649
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: kindness and your hustle. Yeah, I mean one important lesson

650
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: to learn right off that, like right off the bat,

651
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: so young in your career, is just you being on

652
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: the other side of this, yes, and feeling so much anxiety,

653
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: so stressed, knowing in your guts so badly that this

654
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: is what you want to be doing, and for them

655
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: to treat you with that kindness, yes, well forever lesson. Yeah,

656
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Speaker 1: I mean it was also a kitchen. Culinary world is

657
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: like pretty hard knocks. Yeah, so I think like under

658
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: underneath all the tests and trials and yes, there was

659
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: a kindness they were letting me be there. And then

660
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: where does it take you from there? I worked there

661
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: for a while, I worked at some of the other

662
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: restaurants in the restaurant crew. I worked at some other

663
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: restaurants in Los Angeles. I helped open something up, and

664
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: throughout all of this I was getting deeper and deeper

665
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: into my own healing. I had an autoimmune condition that

666
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know I had. I couldn't figure out what

667
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: was wrong with me. So, you know, I'm working long nights,

668
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: cooking in kitchens, running running lines. It's a wild world.

669
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: But I was in there doing that, and by day,

670
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, I had this split life. There weren't many

671
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: hours in my day because truly, you know, i'd sleep

672
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: till noon because I wouldn't go to sleep until four

673
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: or five in the morning, and then I'd have to

674
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: be at work again by two. So I didn't really

675
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: didn't have much of a life outside of work. But

676
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: in those few hours really trying to heal myself of

677
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: what I now know was you know, immune system stuff

678
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: and autoimmune stuff, and so I kept juice cleansing. Yeah,

679
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: and that would seemed to be the only thing that

680
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: would really help me. I became really intrigued by this.

681
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: Oh I had a stint also, so you know, I

682
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: felt like I wanted to get out of the kitchens

683
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: because it really had been years of not being able

684
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: to sleep, not being able to see the light of day.

685
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: Something was going wrong with my health again, and I

686
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, I've actually got it. I have to

687
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: go back to that time where I get in my body. Yeah,

688
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: I got to figure this out again. Things are feeling

689
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: way off. So I took a job as an assistant

690
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: the assistant food and wine editor for the La Times magazine,

691
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: which was short lived. It was like their version of

692
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: Tea magazine, right. It was pretty glorious for the first

693
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: year that it was out. They brought a great editorial

694
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: team from New York and so I was really excited

695
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: by it.

696
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Speaker 3: What a fun like career pivot that's still in your

697
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: area of expertise. Yes, yeah, did you really like writing

698
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: at the time?

699
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it. I couldn't believe it.

700
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: I was given free reign to write these stories doing

701
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: editorial work, and that gave me some light of day

702
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: and some normalcy. And I could begin to have a

703
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: community that existed during normal waking hours. I could get

704
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: my circadian rhythms back online. I could begin to tap

705
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: into some of these practitioners that could help me figure

706
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: out what was happening with the body. So that really

707
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: became I would say that that is when I truly

708
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: turned my healing into a lifestyle. I really hit a

709
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: moment where it was like, you know, first I was

710
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: bummed out man, this.

711
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: Is so annoying. I'm sick again. What is this?

712
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: Why is this so elusive? I can't figure out what's

713
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: wrong with me. I'm going to you know, kind of

714
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: like holistic allopathic doctors. They can't even figure out what's

715
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: wrong with me. Or they want to put me on

716
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: synthetic medications and tell me I have to take them

717
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life and that's all I

718
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: can do. So in my early twenties, I really did

719
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: hit a point of this doesn't feel right, and again

720
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: it was going back to this system's not working for me.

721
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 1: Like I hear these doctors in California that are kind

722
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: of holistic and there's like a Buddha in their office

723
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: and like a plug in fountain and like, you know,

724
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, they've got essential oils and they say

725
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: that they're like an East meets West doctor, right, But

726
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: the answers that they're giving me don't feel right and

727
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: they're not getting to the heart of the issue. And

728
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: I need to figure out what is happening to me.

729
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: And I need to figure out why this is happening

730
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: again and why truly I keep coming back to this

731
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: place in my life. I don't want to live my

732
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: life like this, right, which is an important realization. Yes,

733
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: and I was still young, you know, I was still

734
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: in my early twenties and then dealing with things like

735
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: not really struggling to have a normal menstrual cycle. I

736
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: should be at the height of my fertility. That really

737
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't be an issue, you know, sleep cycles, feeling feeling good,

738
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: feeling healthy in my body, looking in the mirror and

739
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: seeing someone with a face and a body that felt

740
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: healthy and normal and where I should be, and that

741
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: I was not having that experience. So I hop back

742
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: in my body and prioritize figuring out what was happening,

743
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: and that really set me on my way, like I've

744
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: got I've got to actually figure myself out. And when

745
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: I started to figure myself out, it was not one

746
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: magic doctor, one magic potion, one magic book that I read.

747
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: It was stopping and embracing what was happening and really

748
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: just saying, Okay, I'm going to get down with this.

749
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna this is going to be exciting. I'm gonna

750
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: get curious.

751
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: Sarah Levy from Y seven Studio, she said something really

752
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: powerful when we recorded two years ago. Now, she said

753
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: she always comes back to this idea that this is

754
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: how it is now and it's never going to be

755
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: how it was five minutes ago, and it's going to

756
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: be different five minutes from this moment. But all I

757
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 3: can do is deal with things as they are right

758
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: now and move forward.

759
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: Yes.

760
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: I read something the other day it's like, if you

761
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: keep reading the last chapter, then you can never turn

762
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: the page to the next one. Yes, So I mean

763
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: it's really powerful that you were able to take that

764
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 3: agency for yourself.

765
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: Yes.

766
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: Well, and I think just acceptance. When we're in the

767
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: place of fighting, denying, and regretting what our current circumstances are,

768
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: there's no place to move forward and you're locked in

769
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: this prison of not accepting what is right. And I

770
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: think that that is what turns into stress, that is

771
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: what turns into turmoil, that is what turns into you

772
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: know what people would deem failure. That is what turns

773
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: into cancer that you know at the heart of it.

774
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: So I really do try to bring the radical acceptance

775
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: to all that is. And if you can do that,

776
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: it makes life so much easier.

777
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 3: Taking a break from today's episode to give a shout

778
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Speaker 3: out to Daily Harvest, one of the things I'm personally

779
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: working on is spending less money on takeout and in

780
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: the process being cleaner with my diet in the new year.

781
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Speaker 3: And that is where Daily Harvest comes in. They deliver

782
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783
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784
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Speaker 3: in the day.

785
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Speaker 2: Everything can be prepared in five minutes or less.

786
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788
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789
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Speaker 2: And it was delicious.

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795
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Speaker 3: So then, where does this radical acceptance get you with

796
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: your health?

797
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: Well, I think now it's easy to like sit on

798
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: a couch and pigtails on a sunny day like a

799
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: feeling healthy. Calling it a radical acceptance, I think at

800
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: the time it was scary, it was frustrating. I couldn't

801
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: afford all of the help that I wanted. I was

802
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: super stressed about it, and so it was not a

803
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: radical acceptance moment at the time. I can look back

804
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: and say, yes, I accepted it. I accepted it as

805
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: a priority and I didn't know where life was going

806
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: to take me by prioritizing my physical health. And my

807
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: fear was that it was weak. It was a weak move.

808
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: This was pre self care, this was pre mental health,

809
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: this was pre wellness industry. So really, as a New

810
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: Yorker to take a step back and say, something's not

811
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: working in my life and I'm not feeling well, and

812
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: I really need to figure that out before I can

813
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: go hustle my career.

814
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: So what are some of the first steps that you

815
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 3: take to start giving back to yourself and try to

816
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: figure it out.

817
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: One of the first steps I took alongside, you know,

818
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: learning about herbs, learning about acupuncture, really combining acupuncture and herbs,

819
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: taking blood and hormone panels to have an idea of

820
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: where I was at eliminating things from my diet. You know,

821
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: I was working on that, and at the same time,

822
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: I looked at some things that I was very upset

823
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: about that had happened in life, and I was vocal

824
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: about it, and I no longer wanted to be silent

825
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: about those things, and I didn't want to be haunted

826
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: by those things. What's an example of that. There was

827
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: stuff that I was really upset about that had happened

828
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: growing up and within my family, and it felt very

829
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: painful to be in relationship with my mother and to

830
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: not be able to communicate those things. It felt like

831
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: it was making me sick. And so one of my

832
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: first steps was to begin to talk about things that

833
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to talk about, and things that were really

834
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: scary and painful and awful, and she didn't want to

835
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: hear and I didn't want to talk about and perhaps

836
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: they were not heard or accepted at that time, but

837
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: I started to get into this groove of it's important

838
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: for me to speak my truth, whether someone can hear

839
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: it or not. And that was a critical part of

840
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: the physical healing. Totally totally.

841
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: And then I mean, from what you're putting into your

842
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: body perspective, how is that shifting?

843
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: That was radically shifting. There was no alcohol, there was

844
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: no caffeine, there was no sugar, there was no dairy,

845
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: there was no gluten. That combined with you know, eating

846
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: lots of seaweed, eating lots of green juices, eating lots

847
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: of healthy fats, That in itself was a radical change

848
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: for me. Getting some optics around what was actually happening

849
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: in my blood, what was actually happening in my endocrine system,

850
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: what did my hormones look like? That was really the

851
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: next step, And that is a step that I really

852
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: really implore people to take at this point.

853
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 2: The part I.

854
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: Don't like of the wellness industry is throw a crystal

855
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: on it, like lightsome sandal wood, and like make an intention.

856
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: I think that all of that is wonderful if you

857
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: are well. I think all of that is wonderful if

858
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: you're sick too, But if you have got some real

859
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: physical issues that you are not addressing, please don't ignore

860
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: all of the symptoms and like get a Courts crystal

861
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: and a gratitude journal and ignore what's happening. There is

862
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: this deep chasm between allopathic medicine that doesn't consider the

863
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: individual and circumstances and then a gratitude journal and a

864
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: Court's crystal. And I think that you know, here we

865
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: are in twenty twenty when we can.

866
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: Really use both use everything.

867
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: There's power in everything, and how can we really use

868
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: everything to our advantage? Use all systems. We should be

869
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: using all systems, political systems, medical systems, social systems, educational systems.

870
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: But use what works for you and wake up and

871
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: own your relationship to it and get in the driver's

872
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: seat and don't sit there and expect any one person

873
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: to fix it for you, whether it's the shaman or

874
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 1: the neurosurgeon.

875
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: Right.

876
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: So, I mean obviously at some point you start to

877
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: really feel better in your body. Yes, and man, that

878
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: must have been amazing.

879
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: Yes, it was an incredible thing. And the beauty of

880
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: physical health and finding homeostasis was that I was able to,

881
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: from that place of homeostasis and clarity realize that a

882
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that I had struggled with was

883
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: being unwell. A lot of the stuff that I was

884
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: afraid was my personality was actually imbalance in the body.

885
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: So that was an incredible moment to find out I

886
00:52:51,880 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: wasn't this super reactive, emotional kind of like difficult being

887
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: that I was afraid I was.

888
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when does so when do all of the

889
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: learnings that you have found by treating yourself and finding homeostasis.

890
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 3: When do you have this aha moment that maybe there's

891
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: something else that can come from this for other people?

892
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.

893
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was in the process of leaving

894
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: a restaurant project that I had opened and feeling like, okay,

895
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: I've done that. Now I'm going to open a restaurant

896
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: on my own. I've got, you know, a pool of investors,

897
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: and I won't have a culinary partner, and it seems

898
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: so easy, and it seems so launchical, and it was

899
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: the next step that everybody was so happy about, and

900
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: I felt like there was something else calling, And you know,

901
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the greatest things have

902
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: been in life, is when that obvious next step that's

903
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: comfortable and set up for you and makes all the

904
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: sense in the world, when you decline the invitation and

905
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: you do that thing that makes no sense that keeps

906
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: you up at night, that your heart is really in

907
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: the thing that gives you chills and you feel that

908
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: energy moving through you. That is where you should be headed,

909
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: because it is that energy that will ultimately be nature

910
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: supporting you. That's that's what the world wants from you,

911
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: not what makes sense on paper, what moves you you

912
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: will have wind in your sales.

913
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: I love that. I didn't know that at the time.

914
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know again, and it's like, as we're sitting

915
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: on our linen coush feeling all excited and excited and

916
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: successful almost a decade later.

917
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: So you feel something that might put some wind in

918
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: your sales, but it's just a feeling.

919
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know the wind was coming. I wasn't

920
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: feeling the wind. The wind seemed to be moving in

921
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: another direction, right, but my heart was pulling me in

922
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: this direction, and I didn't quite know why, but I did.

923
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: At one point. I can remember sitting in a parking lot,

924
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: in a parked car talking to my mom on the phone.

925
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, God, I know this makes no sense,

926
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: but I'm feeling so pumped about my physical well being

927
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: and I've worked so hard to get myself here. And

928
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is that it was actually so simple.

929
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: And I did nothing that these endochronologists told me to do,

930
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: or you know the like, even the holistic specialists. I

931
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: really did stuff that anyone could do in their own kitchen.

932
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: I ate seaweed. I made these smoothies with this thing

933
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: called maka in it. Every day and you know that

934
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: plus some other stuff. I really I watched my body change.

935
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: I saw it. It was in writing. I have the

936
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: blood the labs to prove it, and I was just

937
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: so stoked and it really felt like I've had this

938
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: incredible opportunity. And I know other people can have this

939
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: experience too, they just don't know it right. I like

940
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: had to do some deep diving. I mean again, like,

941
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: there was no wellness industry. There was no Instagram pretty

942
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: Instagram page to follow, There were not functional medicine celebrity

943
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: doctors coming out to tell us about like you know,

944
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: turmoric and inflammation, and it wasn't happening. So that became

945
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: my mission.

946
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so how does your mission become an actual standalone store?

947
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 2: The first one?

948
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's the painful process of putting a business

949
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: plan together for a model that doesn't exist. So a

950
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: lot of it is projection, and you know it's a gamble. Yeah,

951
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: it's a very big gamble. So yeah, I put a

952
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: business plan together that was loosely based on you know,

953
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: I guess.

954
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: A coffee shop, but a coffee.

955
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: Shop does not sell a nine dollars green juice that

956
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: people may or may not want to buy. You know,

957
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: there was just like so many variables.

958
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: So many unknowns.

959
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,959
Speaker 3: But even like, I mean, it's funny that you say

960
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 3: that people might not want to buy, because it's like

961
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 3: the two fold way you can look at something you

962
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: might buy in this place. It's one maybe I'm buying

963
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 3: it because I like celery and green juice and all

964
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 3: of the other beautiful ingredients that are in this very

965
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 3: nice bottle. Or maybe I'm buying it because I feel

966
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 3: like how you used to feel, and I know that

967
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: what's in that bottle can help me. And so you

968
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 3: get a variety of people into the door that are

969
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 3: looking to do different things with their experience.

970
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: Hope that was the hope, that was the whole reality.

971
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know if maybe it was just going

972
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: to be this tiny little shop that my baby and

973
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: I lived at.

974
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: Which is another fun fact.

975
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: I know it was fun, you know, there were good days,

976
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: there were crazy days. Yeah, I didn't know if it

977
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: was going to be me and a bunch of like

978
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: cancer patients just trying alternative treatment. Because truly, people did

979
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: not know they liked celery juice, yet that was not happening.

980
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: You couldn't find an unsweetened green juice in California.

981
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure you you could go to like a juice.

982
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: Bar and have one made, and I would stand in

983
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,959
Speaker 1: line with the best of them. And this scary part

984
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: was most of the people in line with me for

985
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: that unsweetened green juice. They were like one hundred and five,

986
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, you know, that's just what it was. Do

987
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 1: you remember the moment that you walked into what would

988
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: become your first store, Like, did you feel the vibes

989
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: that you knew that it was it?

990
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: Or were you just like this will do no?

991
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: You know, I was living in Venice and I was

992
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: riding around on my bike and looking for a location

993
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: to open something, and I went on Rose Avenue, which

994
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: is just so different today. There was not that building

995
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: that houses Cafe Gratitude and ice cream stores, and like

996
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: Rose Avenue is really online at this point, right, you know,

997
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: it was vagrants there weren't There was a liquor store

998
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: that was open on the block, and there was this

999
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: really cute wine bar that was a few blocks away,

1000
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: but like the block again, everyone thought it was a

1001
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: pretty bad idea to open something on there because nobody

1002
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: went there, and you know, like people would get mugged

1003
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: in the morning. When I saw the shop, though, it

1004
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: was more than oh, this is fine, it'll do. I

1005
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it doesn't make sense, but I

1006
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: think this is perfect. It was tiny, and it was

1007
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: an art gallery and there was a handwritten for rent sign.

1008
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: So I got a great deal on this tiny little shop.

1009
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: But I didn't anticipate the year plus I would have

1010
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: to put in of work, so you know, all new plumbing,

1011
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: it was. It was everything, everything, everything had to go

1012
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: into this little shop. And then, you know, the big

1013
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: hold up was really the Health Department not understanding what

1014
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: cold press juice was. They had never seen the machine

1015
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: that makes the juice. They couldn't they couldn't get behind it.

1016
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: So it was actually really spending a lot of time

1017
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: trying to convince the Health Department of this concept. Yeah

1018
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: but you do, but I do.

1019
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:12,959
Speaker 2: I do.

1020
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: And in the process, you know, a week after I

1021
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: signed the lease, I found out I was pregnant.

1022
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: Jeez.

1023
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: And that was a big surprise.

1024
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean talk about anxiety to begin with.

1025
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big surprise. So I went through

1026
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: being pregnant and not knowing what that future looked like,

1027
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: trying to open a shop. Because of the health department

1028
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: not understanding this new juice concept and the machinery around it.

1029
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, it got pushed six plus months out. So

1030
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: my intention was to open up the shop, get it

1031
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: up and running, and then have the baby. I had

1032
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: trained everyone and like had the thing running. That's not

1033
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: how it went. The two came at the same time,

1034
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: so I wound up going in hiring staff, getting the

1035
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: place up and running with an infant, which just you know,

1036
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I could go back and do it again.

1037
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: Talk about a lesson.

1038
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, so you have this beautiful baby and

1039
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 3: you have a shop. So you have two babies at

1040
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 3: the same time too, Yeah, twins, twins? And how does

1041
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 3: it feel when the door's open?

1042
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, at that point, I was just trying to

1043
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: get so many things done. Everything was done on a

1044
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: shoe string that I think that I don't know. I

1045
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: was in work modes. There never was a moment of like, wow,

1046
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: look at this, look at me. I got the doors open.

1047
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean this was also I'm in my twenties, I've

1048
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: got a baby strapped to me, Like, I don't even

1049
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: know what that is about. There was just so much

1050
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: happening that I think it all was a blur.

1051
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 3: Can you recall the first moment where you do feel

1052
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 3: successful in your shop after the blur? Maybe you're still

1053
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 3: in the blur, but you have a moment in what

1054
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 3: you're like, Wow, this is really happening.

1055
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: No, I don't think I paused to do that. I

1056
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: kept going because as the shop was really a slam

1057
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: dunk lines out the door, it turned into oh my god,

1058
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: we can't keep up, which is a great problem to have.

1059
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, I sign a lease on a space that

1060
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: I want to be a commissary, and I'm back in

1061
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: like all new plumbing and health department and trying to

1062
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: figure that out and opening another location to support the

1063
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: commissary that we now need to just support the first shop.

1064
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: So I would say that it's been.

1065
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: Truly.

1066
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: The only time I stopped, have stopped to say, well,

1067
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: all right, things seemed good was right before my wedding

1068
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago.

1069
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, why then I stopped?

1070
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: My husband is an incredible person, and he's such a

1071
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: healthy person and a kind person, incredible boundaries, you know,

1072
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: just this like great guy who I had known for

1073
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: a very long time, and I can even remember early

1074
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: days of Moonjuice opening him coming by Moonjuice as a

1075
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: friend to ask me some business advice, and I remember

1076
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: sitting there giving him some business advice, thinking, Wow, this

1077
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: guy is so handsome and so nice. Why don't I

1078
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: know people like that?

1079
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: Or you know, I knew him.

1080
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: But like, gosh, that's the type of guy that I

1081
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: could never be with. He would never want to be

1082
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: with someone like me. I'm just like too crazy. I'm

1083
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: all over the place. I've got a kid, I'm a

1084
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: single mom with a baby. I'm like trying to build

1085
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: out a house in Venice. I've got this crazy like

1086
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm just too much, I'm all over the place. Guys

1087
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: like that just don't wind up with people like me.

1088
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: But you know what's so interesting is that we have

1089
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Speaker 1: all these doubts when it comes to our personal lives

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Speaker 1: and like a situation like that. But let's then bring

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Speaker 1: it back to the conversation that we were having before

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Speaker 1: about us feeling bold enough and excited to ask for

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Speaker 1: what it is that we want when it comes to

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Speaker 1: what we're passionate about. Yeah, so why is there such

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Speaker 1: a double standard even personally with us where we're like

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Speaker 1: this man or this person might not I might not

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Speaker 1: be worthy of this person, but I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: out of my way and ask like this other human

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Speaker 1: for something completely different, totally because I'm so passionate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like we deserve our own affection like that, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, I think I had some some

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Speaker 1: more work to do. Let's say I had six more

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Speaker 1: years of some subconscious clearing before I could step into

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Speaker 1: So that for me felt like a true moment of

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Speaker 1: success when it was like, Wow, here is a very

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Speaker 1: healthy person that wants to marry me, that is marrying

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Speaker 1: me today. Beautiful And I stopped and I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: then that must mean I too, am a healthy, kind

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Speaker 1: person with boundaries and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how beautiful. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I mean now you're married, you have one book

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Speaker 3: with another book on the way, Yes, you have three shops, Yes,

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Speaker 3: and moon Juice is sold so many places Sephora, Urban Outfitters, Anthropology.

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Speaker 3: I mean the list goes on Nordstroom, not special, it's everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Can you when I say that out loud? Are there

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Speaker 3: days that that still doesn't feel real? Or you feel

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Speaker 3: like you've been working so tirelessly At this point, I

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Speaker 3: feel like at this point, I'm like, is that it

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Speaker 3: That's all you've done?

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Speaker 1: But that is the spirit of the entrepreneur, right It's

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Speaker 1: it's like voracious hunger that gets you up out of

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Speaker 1: bed and wanting to work every day.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, there are so many things that the brand sells,

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Speaker 3: a lot of which I am completely incapable of pronouncing.

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Speaker 3: But for someone that is interested and maybe just kind

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Speaker 3: of like grazing the surface of getting into to knowing

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Speaker 3: more about these things. I mean, you talk so much,

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Speaker 3: so highly about what so many of these ingredients have

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Speaker 3: done for your health and what they do for the

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Speaker 3: health of your customers right now. So for someone that's

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Speaker 3: interested in kind of grazing the surface, what kind of

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Speaker 3: advice would you offer to them?

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Speaker 2: Or like, where do you even start? Where do you

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Speaker 2: even start?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, so here are my two. Because I go

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Speaker 1: out and I talk to thousands of people, actually spend

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Speaker 1: a fair amount of my time in Sepphorest Doores in Nordstroms.

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Speaker 1: They have become these incredible platforms that really take me

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Speaker 1: out of my three shops in Los Angeles, wellness events,

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Speaker 1: speaking on panels where I'm really preaching to the choir,

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01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: and you know, here's like five hundred plus doors in

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Speaker 1: North America where I can go speak to someone else.

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Speaker 1: So I really enjoy my time out there doing that.

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Speaker 1: And for a person that is not presenting true medical situations, right,

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Speaker 1: I say, at that point, please go get blood and

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Speaker 1: hormone panels taken by a good functional medicine doctor and

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01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: then let's talk. Come back to me. How can I

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Speaker 1: support you at that point? If it's somebody that's like, yeah,

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01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty well. I don't have any red alarms

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01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: going off, but I feel I have this slump at

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01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: three pm. My libidos not where I want it to be.

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01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: I feel kind of stressed. My skin is presenting issues,

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Speaker 1: like my hair is kind of falling out, anything like that.

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Speaker 2: I've got this like.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen pounds of puff that won't go away. I can't sleep.

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01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: I find myself to be very reactive. I get the

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01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: cold or the flu multiple times a year. If you're

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Speaker 1: in that category, my recommendation is SUPERU. And I actually

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01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: made SUPERU for you all that feel that way, and

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Speaker 1: that is really simple. It's an adapted blend. So they're

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Speaker 1: four of my favorite adaptogens. These are four adaptogens are plants.

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Speaker 1: They are supererbs and mushrooms that go into the body

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Speaker 1: and then they help the body find homeostasis. And so

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01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: they're bi directional, meaning they will lift you up and

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01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: energize you if that's what your system needs, or they

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01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: will help to actually calm you down and bring you

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Speaker 1: down if that's what you need. And so they really do,

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Speaker 1: whether it's going up or going down, they help you

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Speaker 1: find the middle, and they work with your endocrine system,

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01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: they work with the nervous system, they work with balancing

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Speaker 1: out hormones. They are non stimulating, their non habit forming.

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Speaker 1: They really do get in and help to buffer a

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Speaker 1: lot of the stress that's coming at us, whether it

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: is you know, stress, we relate to stress as an

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Speaker 1: emotional issue, and it is not. Stress is environmental. It

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01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: is loud noises, it's temperature changes, it's chemicals that are

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Speaker 1: in foods, it's food allergies, screen time, airplane travel, not

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01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: enough sleep. And so by the time you are feeling stressed,

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01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: you've already incurred many, many, many of these physical events

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01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: that take away from your adaptive energy. And so these

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Speaker 1: adaptogens go in and these are plants that thrive in

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01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:50,440
Speaker 1: harsh environments, so way high up where there's little oxygen,

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01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 1: where the temperatures are very cold, where it's extremely windy.

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01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: These plants learn how to thrive in those environments, and

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Speaker 1: so we actually get to borrow some of that adaptive

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01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: energy from them to go in and help us. You know,

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01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: it's like pennies in the bank. We begin to rebuild

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01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: our own adaptive energy resources. And when your cup is full,

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01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: you are able to deflect and handle those loud noises

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Speaker 1: late nights, fumes in the air, also emotional situations, an

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01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: argument with someone, a miscommunication, you know, whatever it is,

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01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: we're able to adapt and you don't find yourself in

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Speaker 1: this like, oh God, I'm so stressed out.

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Speaker 3: Adaptagens just sound magical the way you talk about them.

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Speaker 2: It's like a love letter. Yes, it's a love letter. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a great place to start.

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01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: So that is a great place to start. I you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's in capsule form. It's really easy. We all

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Speaker 1: know how to swallow pills. So it's two caps a day,

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Speaker 1: two caps a day, keep the stress away, two caps

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Speaker 1: in the morning, and then if you would like to

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01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: have even more support. My other recommendation is to take

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Speaker 1: magnesium at night. And so magnesium is this blend of

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Speaker 1: three types of magnesium plus alfthianine. I like to take

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01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,879
Speaker 1: it in the evening because it does help you to sleep,

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01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: It helps you to unwind and relax. But these three

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01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: forms of magnesium go in and the first form is

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01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: not kulated, but it helps regular bowel movements, which is

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Speaker 1: actually key to health.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally needs.

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Speaker 1: To happens to happen. Yes, So that's the magnesium citrate

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01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: that goes in and does that. And there are two

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Speaker 1: other forms of magnesium that actually areklated, which means that

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01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: they are fully bioavailable, and they go in and they

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: cross the blood brain blood brain barrier and help brain function,

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01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: immune system, nervous system, really help to unstress, help with PMS.

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Speaker 1: So that would be that would be my daily RX

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Speaker 1: for pretty healthy person looking to upgrade.

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting because I feel like, as with anyone

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Speaker 3: that has tried this stuff and believes in this stuff,

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01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 3: they're also you know, all of the people that hear

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01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 3: stuff like this and they're like this just sounds like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, I can't even begin to fathom the

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01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 3: amount of feedback or criticism or whatever you want to

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01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 3: call it. From people that just hear you talking about

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 3: this stuff, and they're like, what is this woman saying?

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01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 3: How do you shut that out?

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01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

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01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 3: Because I feel like that has to be the tactic

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Speaker 3: at this point.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm really busy serving the people that are interested

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01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: in trying these things and find them helpful. And I'm busy.

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Speaker 2: I got stuff to do.

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: I got stuff to do, and so you know my job.

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01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm not here to convert the non believers. I'm here

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Speaker 1: to serve people that are curious.

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01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: What's the saying.

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01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 3: It's like, if you try to be a leader for everyone,

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01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 3: you're a leader for no one.

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01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a good saying. Oh, now you go see.

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01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean I also have science on my side though,

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01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: things like you know it's super you has clinical trials

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01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,839
Speaker 1: that show that your cortisol is reduced by thirty percent

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01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 1: at least. So facts, I'm busy, and I got science

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01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: for the non believers to chew on as working on

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01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: something else.

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01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 3: I'm working on something else. Okay, So then tell me

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01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 3: what right now excites you.

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01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just pumped about it all. I

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01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: just got off an airplane yesterday. I was in San

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01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:15,440
Speaker 1: Francisco meeting with my friends at Sephora in their headquarters.

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: That is super exciting to see a a force that large,

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: a global force, really taking wellness and stress very seriously.

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: So I went and helped them do a day on

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01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: unstressing corporate level. That's pretty exciting. I'm pumped about that.

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01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm pumped about the book that's coming out soon. I

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01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: have to get my phone on the phone with my

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01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: editor when we wrap here, just to like get final

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01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: cover art done. I'm really excited about the skincare we

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01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: just launched last week. We have got I've gotten new

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01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: ingestible formula coming out in the next couple of weeks

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01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: that I'm super excited about.

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01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 3: So you have nothing going on, basically, is what you're

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01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 3: trying to tell me. So there's two more questions.

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 2: Yea. The first question.

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01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 3: People might come to your personal Instagram page and they

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01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 3: see a loving mother that's building this bustling business that

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01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 3: is a fan of all of these heart to pronounce

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01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 3: herbs and things and ingestibles, and they look at you

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01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 3: and that's what they see. But when you look in

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01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 3: the mirror, what is it that you see looking back

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01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 3: at you?

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01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 2: Wow? Hey, hey, what a question. Hard Hitter is to

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01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 2: close us out here. What is it that I see?

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01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 2: My God, what a question.

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01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: When I look in the mirror, which I look in

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01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: the mirror, I think twice a day when I'm brushing

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01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 1: my teeth, that's when I look in the mirror. Wow,

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01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: no one's ever said that before. That's when I look

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01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: in the mirror. Truly, when I look in the mirror,

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01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: I see someone who is on a mission and has

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01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: a lot to do and needs to brush their teeth proficiently,

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01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: but also needs to move on and get to the

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01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: five thousand things that are calling my name that I

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01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: am just eager to serve.

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01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:32,799
Speaker 2: Eager to serve.

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01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 3: Okay, and now the final You have an opportunity right

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01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 3: now to offer the Amanda who is so frustrated with

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01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 3: what's going on with her body. She's tired of feeling sick,

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01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 3: She's going through this Hurtle moment, and she just wants

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01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 3: an answer. You have an opportunity right now, looking back

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01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 3: on it, to offer her one piece of advice. What

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01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 3: is it that you tell her.

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01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: You're doing it? You're doing it right now. The frustration,

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01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 1: the stopping, the doubting, the trying to figure it out,

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01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 1: that is perhaps the most important part of the process.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, branking out with me. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Please take a moment and leave a quick review of

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01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,960
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Speaker 3: this episode. We all face multiple hurdles in life. I

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Speaker 3: want to hear about yours. Reach out to me at

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Speaker 3: Emily at Hurdle dot us. Connect with the podcast on

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Speaker 3: Instagram and Twitter at Hurdle Podcast. Amanda, how do they

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Speaker 3: keep up with you? Where do they find Moonjuice? Give

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Speaker 3: me all the beautiful details.

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Speaker 1: Come see us in real life at the three Moonjuice

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Speaker 1: locations in LA. We have one in Venice, one in

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Speaker 1: Silver Lake, and one on Melroe's Place in West Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Come see me wherever I'm speaking. I actually get out

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Speaker 1: there in the world often. I'd love to see you.

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Speaker 1: And then you can find find me in some fantasy

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Speaker 1: version of my life on Instagram. I'm Amanda chantal Bacon.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of my family there, mostly family. And

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Speaker 1: then please follow us at moon Juice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.