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Speaker 2: Welcome. The Peacocks are done dancing.

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Speaker 1: Your Miami Hurricanes are done, but thankfully the MLB regular

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Speaker 2: It is a new week on the Just Baseball.

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Speaker 1: So today is Monday, March twenty eighth, Jack McMullen, arm Laden,

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Speaker 1: we're dipping into the call up content. We've got a

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Speaker 2: This is gonna be awesome. Yeah, I've got you and

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I can I can chip in a little

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Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, like just because we

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Speaker 2: like we haven't done prospect a prospect episode on the

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Speaker 2: of the day, Just Baseball is the flagship, that's the mothership,

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Speaker 2: and prospects are still a huge part of baseball. So

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Speaker 2: let's flex that muscle on the JB Show a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Well, and what's great is, you know, if you're turning

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Speaker 1: Got a lot of questions about Lodolo Green that type

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Speaker 2: So prospects are the u I would say, the parallel

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Speaker 2: I love the ceiling floor questions. I love the trade

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Speaker 1: Well. What's really fun about that is like you've got

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Speaker 2: you've seen it. Have you ever seen a Great Dane defecating?

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Speaker 1: All right, h Question one comes from Kazim the Dream six,

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Speaker 1: and I chose this question first. These are all from Twitter.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you tweeted out a mail bag proposal.

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Speaker 1: Cassine the Dream six asked a very surface level question

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Speaker 2: and that this is will be the entire episode. I mean, no, look,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a great question and one worth asking.

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Speaker 2: And not even to be like that that asshole that

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Speaker 1: Well, he's also got a hose a hose. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: This is going to be a great rookie year in

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Speaker 1: Another guy that could be part of this rookie class,

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Speaker 2: I totally agree, or or they were breaking some rules,

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Speaker 2: Joshua said the word yips.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the If it was

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Speaker 1: But you start off and you suck in Triple A

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Speaker 2: Got it there.

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Speaker 1: But if the mental starts, I say this like knowing

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Speaker 2: vilo is up across the board, so he's feeling good.

432
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Speaker 2: He was hitting his spots, so villo bump and hitting

433
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Speaker 2: the spots. He looks. If that's the case, Jack, he's

434
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Speaker 2: going to carve the hell up in triple A. Let

435
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Speaker 2: him go do that for a few starts, build himself up,

436
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: and then go up to the big leagues. Why just say,

437
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: hey man, that was a nice stretch of ten innings.

438
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the big leagues and traumatize you again

439
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: and throw you under the like. Let this kid have

440
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Speaker 2: some victory moments, dominate in triple for five starts, build up,

441
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: stretch out, and then go starting in Triple A.

442
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: Is so obviously the right answer, but I just want

443
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Speaker 1: them to be a Petco immediately, Like there's no question

444
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: in my mind that starting in olpasso is the right answer.

445
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Speaker 2: Thank you, before I get too.

446
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Speaker 1: Deep into my own head. Question four comes from og

447
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Speaker 1: ghost about og ghosts. What do you think George Kirby's

448
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: ceiling is? And with the Mariners big three starters Gilbert, Kirby, Hancock,

449
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: how high do you feel on them as a unit?

450
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: I feel so high on them.

451
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Speaker 1: And I were just texting about these guys, right, I

452
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Speaker 1: mean og Ghosts didn't even name Matt Brash in that three,

453
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Speaker 1: and Brash looked disgusting yesterday.

454
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So honestly, Gilbert is is. I think Gilbert and

455
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Speaker 2: Kirby are the highest floor because these are two guys

456
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Speaker 2: with great fastball command already. Kirby is a guy that

457
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: throws triple digits. Gilbert got better and better as a

458
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 2: year one on, and I think he's looked really good

459
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: out of the gates so far. Gilbert's gonna be good.

460
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 2: Gilbert is more, Joe Ryan asked to me. Though, it's

461
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: like invisible fastball and just good enough stuff with good

462
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: command like that, that's the guy to me, high floor,

463
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: lower ceiling. If we're talking about that Kirby insane command

464
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Speaker 2: of one hundred miles per hour. Secondaries are average, and

465
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Speaker 2: that's that's the the issue quote unquote, it's not really

466
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Speaker 2: an issue because he's been fine. Secondaries seem to be

467
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Speaker 2: getting a bit better. He has the higher ceiling because

468
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Speaker 2: he commands one hundred instead of you know, Gilbert commanding

469
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Speaker 2: ninety five.

470
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Speaker 1: And it's not controlling. It's not controlling one hundred, it's

471
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Speaker 1: command demand. I want to just put that thing on

472
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Speaker 1: a dime in the lower outside corner. Kirby's got you

473
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Speaker 1: with a absolutely.

474
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Speaker 2: My issue was I was actually just watching him today

475
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: and I was like, how's he getting left? He's out.

476
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Speaker 2: You know, he was able to blow by him a

477
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Speaker 2: few times, but without without a really solid change up,

478
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: that's gonna be the struggle, and you know, I want

479
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: to see that progress. He's gonna start in the upper

480
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: miners and we'll go from there. Hancock, I'm a little

481
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Speaker 2: surprised that his swinging miss numbers haven't been as good

482
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Speaker 2: as as we've expected. I still think he's gonna be good,

483
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have the command that the other two have,

484
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: so you know, he needs to see his swing and

485
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: mis numbers improve. And I think the best of the

486
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Speaker 2: whole bunch is Matt freaking Brash. He's Matt freaking Brash.

487
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, was he discussing today? I mean, when

488
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Speaker 2: did I first bring him up on the JB Show?

489
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 2: Was like, shoot, like six months? No, maybe long may

490
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 2: it almost it might have been because we had people

491
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Speaker 2: tweeting at us like who is that guy? And then

492
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Speaker 2: they a few clips started going out and they're like,

493
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, like this guy like that. No one

494
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: had heard of him. And honestly, I just kind of

495
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: stumbled upon one of his starts and that's what really

496
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: got me into it after the trade. His slider is

497
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 2: one of the best in the minor leagues period. It's

498
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: a big league plus plus pitch now. But JACKI, he's figuring,

499
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 2: doubt how to throw strikes and that was the biggest question,

500
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: and he throws it from like this, this low release point.

501
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 2: It just takes off twenty two pitches today for Matt

502
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Speaker 2: Brash against big league bats, twenty two strikes. No way,

503
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: no way, fairly positive. Oh my god, he's here.

504
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: I saw some video with a slider too, like it

505
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: looked so strong.

506
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Speaker 2: I spoke to Scouts recently about this, actually, and you

507
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Speaker 2: never know what you're gonna get from from Scouts, and

508
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 2: you got to take some of it with the grain

509
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: of salt. But one of them felt very confident that

510
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Speaker 2: that Kirby would be in the rotation early in the year.

511
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Speaker 2: I mean, sorry, not Kirby, excuse me, Brash would be

512
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: in the rotation. Let me let me rephrase that. Well,

513
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,479
Speaker 2: Kirby should be there, Herby should be too. But they

514
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: felt very confident that Brash would be the first guy

515
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: to crack that rotation, and that he will, that the

516
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: plan is to have him in the rotation very soon.

517
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Speaker 2: I'm in so to answer the question, the guy with

518
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Speaker 2: the highest ceiling is not the one you asked about,

519
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: But out of those that trio, I'd say Kirby is

520
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: the highest ceiling. Then Hancock, then Gilbert. What are your

521
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Speaker 2: thoughts there?

522
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm with you. I'm going to give you a

523
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Speaker 1: player for Kirby's ceiling because I mentioned it a couple

524
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: months ago on this show. What Zach Wheeler just did

525
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: is what Kirby's ceiling is. I agree, I like that

526
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: a lot insanely low walk rate, pinpoint command of a

527
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: freaking hard fastball, and every breaking pitch is tight. It's

528
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily you know, like the nastiest slider in the game,

529
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Speaker 1: but it's a tight slider that can get out. It's

530
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Speaker 1: not the best, but but it doesn't implements the fastball,

531
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Speaker 1: and it don't just.

532
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: Don't hang it. Yeah, and if you're going east west

533
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Speaker 2: with the fastball, meaning inside outside to righty's or you know,

534
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: left east, that's the most important thing. If the if

535
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: the breaking ball is above average and you have a

536
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: show me third pitch, you're in business. So yeah, I'm

537
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: with you on that, and I think we're on the

538
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: same page. There. What a wealth of arms they have

539
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: over there. It's just it's just unfair stupid.

540
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: That was the first of a slew of ceiling floor questions.

541
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna do this. I know you love doing

542
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: the player comps and the ceiling floors.

543
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: We got a little bit of this love player comps.

544
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: Question five comes from mis up next, So I think

545
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: you know where this is going.

546
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: You just pulled, You just pulled the question. The question

547
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: could have literally been does Jack mcmowan suck? I think yes,

548
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: and you would have pulled that question just because it's

549
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: at MYS up next.

550
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: I think so because I do think MYZ is up next.

551
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Speaker 1: My's up next. Question, what player comparisons do you believe

552
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: are the floors and ceilings for Spencer Torklesen and Riley Green.

553
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: I think this is a really good question, and I

554
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: had to do some serious thinking about these.

555
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go first. I'm gonna buy you some time.

556
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: Let's start with Spencer Torkleson because Torque is really solid

557
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: hitter that lacks defensive identity. He could be a meth

558
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: third baseman, he could be a good first baseman. The floor,

559
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: I think is Matt Adams, like he's just gonna hit hard.

560
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: Like Matt Adams is a career two sixty ish batting

561
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: average averaging around twenty five bombs. That is the bare

562
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: minimum of what you're gonna get from Spencer Torkelsen. The

563
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: ceiling is Miguel Cabrera Tigers fans, like you're gonna get

564
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: the best hitter in baseball, in a Hall of Fame

565
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: caliber hitter.

566
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the floor the Matt Adams is such

567
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: a name. I was not expecting the year on this podcast,

568
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: and I was thinking, like Okay, it's not Mark Reynolds,

569
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: because Mark Reynolds struck out all the time.

570
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: Like Torkelsen's got a better bat than that.

571
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Torkle surprise you with a little bit of zone whiff,

572
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: but zone wiff isn't the worst thing in the world.

573
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: Like when you're able to do what Torque still does right,

574
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: he sells.

575
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: Out early in the count and he's still he's He's

576
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: also a very rhythmic, as you've seen, kind of hitter

577
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: that just usually just needs a little bit of time

578
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: a few weeks into the season and.

579
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: Starts getting starts getting right and starts getting more comfortable. Yeah,

580
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: I think it all goes to shit. He's something like

581
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: a Mad Adams type. But you can probably people are

582
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: probably thinking of a bunch of other hard hitting outfielders

583
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: or first baseman that just didn't quite hit that ceiling

584
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: that we were hoping for. You know, I definitely think

585
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: that's the worst case scenario, which is much less likely.

586
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: I think he's like if you look at a Spencer Jorgolson,

587
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: he's much more likely to hit his ninetieth percentile outcome

588
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: than his twentieth percent.

589
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: He's one of the highest floor prospects That's what I say.

590
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: He's lower risk because of that bat. I think the

591
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: ceiling you got the floor. I think the ceiling is

592
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: like Nelson Cruise ish a little bit more of a

593
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: And again, I'm just thinking about the offensive output, right,

594
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: Cruise doesn't strike out that much. And I'm talking second

595
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: half of his career, Cruise. And that's why I think

596
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, well, we're hoping it'll be better

597
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: than Cruse. Imagine if Cruise did that for fifteen straight,

598
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer. He's a shoeing Hall of

599
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: didn't juice right, Like, So that's what I look at

600
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: with with him, Like, imagine Cruise at first base MIGGI.

601
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: The only thing with Miggy for me is is I

602
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: don't know if I necessarily see like I think Vladdie's

603
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: closer to that because it's it's like the swing and

604
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: miss is a little bit more prominent. I don't hate

605
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: the comp like I'm splitting hairs here, but I lean

606
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: a little bit more Nelson Cruiz, just a little bit

607
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: more prominent swing and miss. Uh, but the power, dude,

608
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: and I think a little bit more power Like Miggi's

609
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: not a guy that's hitting you a forty five to fifty. Right,

610
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: he's hitting three thirty with thirty five and or maybe

611
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: forty and a lot of ribbies. Like I think Torque,

612
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: if it all goes right, is hitting you can hit

613
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Speaker 2: you fifty.

614
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: So how about how about Pete Alonzo.

615
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: That's that's a great one. That's a great one. Peter,

616
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Speaker 2: Rightzo is a great one.

617
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo. We talked about it in our Top ten

618
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: first baseman last week. Alonzo lowered the k rate from

619
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Speaker 1: twenty five percent is fifty three homer season to under

620
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: twenty percent. It was like nineteen point six this past

621
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: year and he hit thirty seven bombs. Like that is

622
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Speaker 1: what Torque could be.

623
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Speaker 2: That's probably the best one. Yeah, I would say, I

624
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: would say Peter Anso, Yeah, Okay, there we go.

625
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: Riley Green, the floor has I feel like the floor

626
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: is Andrew Benin Tendy as of late.

627
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, Like that's.

628
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Just he'll give you a zero point zero war season

629
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: now his ceiling. Christian Yelich, Okay, I get the twenty

630
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: stolen bases, you get the thirty bombs possibly, and you

631
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: get three hundred, So.

632
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: I'll give you the the middle percentile outcome.

633
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: Too.

634
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: So what I think is like the possible middle to

635
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: higher outcome is and not ceiling is Michael Brantley. I

636
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: see a lot of Michael Brantley, but I said a

637
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: little bit more power and a little bit I think

638
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: it would bit more power and a little bit more

639
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 2: swing and mess though.

640
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah he won't grant, yeah no, but he can.

641
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: He can floor it with the threes. And you know,

642
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: I just a lefty bat athletic, sneaky, sneaky athletic, sprays

643
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: the ball good power like he will have more power

644
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: though than Brantley, I think in that outcome. But that's

645
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: another one that I think looks really similar. Yeah, I mean,

646
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: if it all goes right, you're looking at a Yelich,

647
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: you know, I think it all goes right. If it

648
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: all goes wrong, He's a tough one because if you

649
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: put him in a corner, I think he's an above

650
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: average defender like Ben Attendy is. I still think when

651
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: he if he's not a great hitter for whatever weird

652
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: reason and we're all wrong as hell, he's gonna have

653
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more power than Ben Attendee. So it's

654
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: tough to even pinpoint one. But I think that's a

655
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: good floor. I would be I would say, slightly better

656
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: than Ben Attendee as this floor, which is crazy.

657
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: Because of the because of the build too. What about

658
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: like Jason Hayward as of late and like Hayward, you know,

659
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: contractually speaking sucks, right, you would never pay Jason Hayward

660
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: as of late twenty three million bucks a year. But

661
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: if Hayward we're making two and a half or three,

662
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: you'd be like, Okay, yeah, this is pretty solid production.

663
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: You've got a really good glove, you've got a big

664
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: boy uh, and you've got somebody that can hit twenty

665
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: to twenty five. Yeah.

666
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, Hayward contractually not good, but he's been

667
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: a guy that's given you a multiple war in the

668
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: last few years. Yeah, like that Flores, Yeah, he's like

669
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: two war every year. A lot worse than that.

670
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: Here's another one. I know you're gonna love Matt too.

671
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Frosty asked about Nolan Gorman's ceiling. My answer to that high,

672
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: it is high.

673
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: It's high. I think the ceiling is. Yeah.

674
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: So the ceiling for me is whatever Gavin Lux's ceiling

675
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: was and is like I don't I don't know, not

676
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: like it's Dan Uglow with no swinging miss.

677
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: Like I think the ceiling for for Gorman is is

678
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: a second basement or eventual third basement that can hit

679
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: you thirty five home runs like in hit two eighty.

680
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: Like that, there's that's the best case scenario. This is

681
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: where we're weighing. Here's where you weigh risk versus ceiling. Right,

682
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: The only reason or the main reason why Gorman is

683
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: not as high on our list is that I think

684
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: the risk is way higher than a lot of other

685
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: outlets think the risk is. That's what's separating ceiling. You

686
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: have no debates. For me, the power is legit. He

687
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: has shown that already. He's put up power numbers. He's

688
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: a hard worker, which hedges some of the risk, but

689
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: can't hit lefties blown up by v Low, I think,

690
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: and not really a great defender at any spot. But

691
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 2: I can acknowledge the ceiling of thirty plus home runs

692
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: without a problem with the left handed bat that's working hard,

693
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: continuing to try to make swing adjustments. Yeah, I mean

694
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: it's tough. Like how many power left hand hitting power

695
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 2: guys that are now getting moved to second base are there?

696
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: Right?

697
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: Like, there's not that many like all the guys that

698
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: I thought of when I was like, okay, who fits

699
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: that more?

700
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: It's like Nolan Gorman, Gavin Lux, Michael Bush and like

701
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: they have. However many at bat's in Major League Baseball's

702
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: Gavin Lux has.

703
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: You know that the absolute ceiling is and I think

704
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: he has a very low chance of hitting. This ceiling

705
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: is Brandon Law. Not very low. These are lower chance

706
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: hittings Brandon Lowe. Yeah, that's the ceiling is Brandon Law.

707
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: A ton of home runs, plenty of swing and miss

708
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: still if he platoon splits. Here's what Brandon low hit

709
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: last year two forty seven, three twenty three with thirty

710
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: nine pumps k. That is the that sided thing to

711
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: a t.

712
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Actually, that's exactly what Gorman's ceiling is.

713
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: You're right, and you know what, dude, I'm super hard

714
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: on him, but he's so young, Like he could repeat

715
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: triple A yeah two more times and be like on

716
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: normal track. So you know, the Cardinals have been very

717
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: aggressive with the assignment. I actually was just on the Cardinals'

718
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: backfields and another conversation I was having was about how

719
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: hard Gorman's been working on swing adjustments and just improving overall.

720
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, the floor, though, the floor is a guy

721
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: that can't hit, Like, that's the thing. The floor is

722
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 2: what I'll give you the flour. Actually it's it's Josh Naylor.

723
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: Like that's that's the floor is Josh Naylor. So that's

724
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: what Josh Naylor to Brandon lut Like that's how wide

725
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: the ranges are. Okay.

726
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: Next one comes from Ethan Folkerson, one Red's prospect Elie

727
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: de la Cruz. When do you expect him to make

728
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: the big league team and any comparisons to current Major

729
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: League Baseball players.

730
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: I hope I'm still alive by the time he debuts.

731
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: He's far off, but he's so fun. Twenty five, Yeah,

732
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: twenty five, you know, maybe he could light it up

733
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: and get you, get you there and get there in

734
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: twenty four is through? Okay, let me explain to you

735
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: the profile, Jack, and then you tell me if there's

736
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: a player like this. Yeah, I did a dive switch

737
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: hitter with plus plus speed, plus plus raw power and

738
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: a plus plus arm. And this isn't me hygh perabolizing.

739
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, and I've I've ran this by as

740
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: many people as I could that have seen them with

741
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: their own eyes. He has legit triple digits arm across

742
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: the endfield. He runs off the charts and he's already

743
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: putting up one thirteen exit blows and he's one hundred

744
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: and fifty pounds.

745
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think in terms of the sex appeal

746
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: of getting you to the ballpark or getting the TV

747
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: set on to watch Ellie de la Cruz, it's twenty

748
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: eighteen hovey bias, but a switch.

749
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: Hitter twenty eighteen hobby bias.

750
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: That's so specific, but right, do you remember how magic

751
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: bias was that year he finished second, third and MVP voting.

752
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, he was. He was stupid. I think

753
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: that's that's a fair one.

754
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: The arm was dumb. The the arm is like Korea level.

755
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: It's triple digits across the diamond. It's not Korea, but

756
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: like it's the closest thing to Korea, I think. And

757
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: then Baia's was also like thirty four homers, one hundred

758
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: and eleven driven in and oh, by the way, you

759
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: could swipe bags and look so sick while doing it.

760
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's the thing too, is like Dela Cruz

761
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: can do all of those things. Yeah, I would say,

762
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: And people like Scoff at Hobby Bayas because it's like

763
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: there's like he's a polarizing player. But yeah, that singular season.

764
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: Imagine if Hobby could repeat that, like that's what we

765
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: would imagine. Elie de Lacruz could be looking at that

766
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: twenty eighty season. It was a five point four war guy,

767
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: a f four guy, thirty four pumps, twenty one stolen

768
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: bases two ninety three, twenty six five. Yeah, that's pretty

769
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: to a t Alido Lacruz walks four point eight percent

770
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: of the time.

771
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: Ba's walked like five percent of the time that year.

772
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: That's the thing, Ali too. Lcruz in low A walked

773
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: four point eight percent of the time. I kid you,

774
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: not anybody who listens to this podcast, whether you ever

775
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: have wielded a baseball bat or not, would walk five

776
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: percent of the time in low A. I'm not kidding, Jack,

777
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: you could back this up. I could absolutely back If

778
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: you stand there with your bat on your shoulder, you

779
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: will walk five percent.

780
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: There were times in Fort Wayne this past summer where

781
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: I was sitting there.

782
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: Which was hya four hours. Yeah, that's hia.

783
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: There were times where I was sitting there for like

784
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: four hours, like, oh my god, We've gone about twenty

785
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: five minutes without a ball in play because these guys

786
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: cannot throw strikes correct.

787
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: And I was just walk right. I just saw my

788
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: wonderful eighty six year old grandfather George, and Grandpa George

789
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: would would rack up a nice little five six percent

790
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: walk right in the way I can.

791
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, he's just got to do the David Exstein batting

792
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: stance where he just crouches.

793
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: Oh, then he might get seven. You might get up

794
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: to seven or eight, all right.

795
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: Next one is from our guy Javier Reyes at Hogan.

796
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: It was a good question. I had to include it.

797
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: This one's for you, Hobby, And he's the one. He's

798
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: the only guy on our staff that actually listens to everybody,

799
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: like most of the episodes.

800
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: Clace note, and we got to give play some.

801
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: Clay Noten is a serial podcast listener. I appreciate you play.

802
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: And then of course Ben Maladi it's to a tondeh yah.

803
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: But Hobby, Hobby's up there.

804
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hobby's question, do you think it's worth it for

805
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: the Padres to attach one of their top tier prospects

806
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: Abram's hassle campus on Ogre in order to deal Hosmer

807
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: or do they just.

808
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: Need to hang tight.

809
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: My answer to that is no, you gotta you have

810
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: to eat it.

811
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. Unless their only hope was the Mariners,

812
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: I think with some sort of weird deal like that,

813
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: I think the only other hope is the Rockies, which

814
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: I think the Rockies already did their their salary dump

815
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: deal or like the yes, yes, what I mean, Yeah,

816
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: they went and got Randall Gritchik the the Osmosis salary

817
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: Osmosis deal where they just absorb it all like that,

818
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: and they only absorbed half of it. But we like

819
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: spending stupid money. Yeah, that that nolifies the point, so

820
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: we won't talk about that. I don't see a team

821
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: that's taking a light hitting first basement with his contract situation.

822
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: What I will say though, is this Eric consumer is

823
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: not good. He's not that bad. He's not good. He's

824
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: not He's not a guy that you are actually compromising

825
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: your team's ability to win by putting him out there

826
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: every day. Hear that problem. The problem is he plays

827
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: first base, which is a premium offensive position. He had

828
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: a one oh two WRC plus last year, Jack like

829
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: two seventy three forty I'm rounding up two sixty nine,

830
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: three thirty seven three ninety five slash line. I called

831
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: myself out there. I was rounding up. But that's not

832
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: the worst thing in the world, And especially if you're

833
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: gonna have to attach a prospect or you could just

834
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: keep him as a bat off the bench. That ends up,

835
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: you know, running into four hundred, three hundred fifty fur

836
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: under pla appearances, he's not the worst ever, and guys

837
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: like him in the clubhouse, and he was good in

838
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Like, are we sure he won't bounce back

839
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: this year? It's not like he's been a disgrace for

840
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: the last four seasons in a row, like he was

841
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: inconsistent a little bit before. Or I don't think it's

842
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: worth attaching to prospects unless the deal makes sense and

843
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: you're getting another asset that makes sense for you. If

844
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: you're dumping just a dump, his contract isn't that bad.

845
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: I would rather try to part with like a Will

846
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: Myers or somebody else, which I think a team might

847
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: be more receptive to.

848
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I also don't think that the

849
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: first base DH combination of Eric Osmer and Luke Void

850
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: is terrible. I I enjoy Void. I very much enjoy void,

851
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: and I think Osmer has something left.

852
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 2: In the tank.

853
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: What that is, I have no idea, but you heard

854
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: it here, Hobby. We're just giving you shit because Eric

855
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: Osmer is on the team that you follow.

856
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: If Easter your nine hitter, are you are you? Are

857
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: you crying?

858
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: No, I'm not crying, But like for okay, for the paycheck,

859
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: yes I'm crying.

860
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but it's not like, okay, you clear that

861
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: money up. Now, what what are the Padres doing?

862
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: Resign Musgrove, extend them?

863
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: They can do that anyway, so so I think they'll

864
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: find a way to have that flexibility. I would not

865
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: attach any and I like that Hovey specified the prospects

866
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: for the sake of argument. Let's just talk about it

867
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: from this lens. There's no shot in hell I'm trading Abrams.

868
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: There's no shot in hell I'm trading Robert Hassel. And

869
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: there's no shot in hell I'm selling well on Gore

870
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: right now, especially after what we've seen. If there's one

871
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: guy I might trade, it's Campusano, and you know I'm

872
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: higher on him than you are. I still would rather

873
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: not deal him that. There's no scenario where i'd really

874
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: want to do that.

875
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: Especially because Nola's never looked good. Like your three catching

876
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: options right now are not good options compared to Campusano

877
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: and Nola, Carrottini and Alfaro. Yeah, next one from Transcencifan.

878
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 2: What do y'all think the ceiling is for? Hunter Green?

879
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: And Dowry Moretta. That's a very interesting name. And do

880
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: you think a Lejo Lopez will get a legit chance

881
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: for the Reds? Hunter Green, we talked about the ceiling,

882
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: like you said on you say it on the call

883
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: up Hunter Green. Like, if you're gonna look at anybody

884
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: in baseball currently currently at the big league level or

885
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: within the minor league ranks that can get anywhere close

886
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: to de Gram type dominance and de Gram type stuff,

887
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: it's Hunter Green.

888
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's no combination of triple digits and athleticism that

889
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues pitching wise, or major leagues really

890
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: than what Hunter Green gives you. I don't know if

891
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: there's athleticism and be lo like that anywhere else. So, yeah,

892
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: that guy's ceiling is the best in baseball, uh, which

893
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: is which is absurd to say, but it's the case.

894
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: Moretta is a name that I did not think would

895
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: be asked adjacent to one hundred. Agree, Yeah, me neither,

896
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: And frankly a guy that I had to dig a

897
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: little bit deeper just to get a fresh look at.

898
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: You know what I think Moretta's ceiling is.

899
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: Though.

900
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: Dude is a legit closer, like a legit big league closer.

901
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: I like it.

902
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: He's got nasty stuff, and I mean you see it

903
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: in the Era A numbers in twenty twenty one.

904
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: You see Chattanooga, you see.

905
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: Trip late Louisville, Tantanooga and Louisville like he put up

906
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: I want to say, like a sub to eer at

907
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: both stops.

908
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: Now that the fastball's got one of those unique profiles,

909
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: looks like it's rising really really tough to pick up.

910
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: Nobody hit it in the minors, crazy strikeout numbers all

911
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: the way through. He had those numbers taper off a

912
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: little bit and triple so that's something to follow. But

913
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: it wasn't like his walk rates jumped or anything like that,

914
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: and it was a relatively small sample size. He was

915
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: the closer in triple. So I think this is a

916
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: guy that actually could be a very important bullpen arm

917
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: for them this year because we know they could use

918
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: a little bit out there, though they did improve it

919
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: with some quiet moves here and there. Yeah, I think

920
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 2: the ceiling is is lights out closer. Most likely scenario

921
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: is a solid seventh inning guy. I think. I think

922
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: that's very possible.

923
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: And you lost your seventh inning guy this year with

924
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: the trade Mike Minor coming to Cincinnati for Amir Garrett

925
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: going to Kansas City. Total brain fart from me on

926
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's Triple A affiliate.

927
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: That that's my jam man, this is a rise You

928
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: missed that. Yeah, that was brutal.

929
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: And then the last part of that question, do you

930
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: think a Layo Lopez will get a legit chance for

931
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: the Reds? My answer to that is probably no, because

932
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: it's Barrero's position. I would say to find legit chance, right,

933
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: because he's got some backup opportunities.

934
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: That to me, that's a legit chance for him. Yeah,

935
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: a legit chance for a le he Lopez is a

936
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: full time Pentrol where he ends up with three hundred

937
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: and three hundred and fifty plate appearances, right, especially especially

938
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: in the game today, where you know, I think again,

939
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: with we saw the injuries last year, we saw again

940
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: a little bit of a wonky schedule I would assume

941
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: that John Indya is going to get a day off

942
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: here and there, you know, the the whole infield, it's

943
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: gonna get days off here and there. That's where Lopez

944
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: could come in. Yeah, I think that's that's a fair

945
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: shot for him. If you're expecting le Lopez to be

946
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 2: a regular, then no, he's never going to get what

947
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: what a fair shot would be through that?

948
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: Lens yep Uh, this one from Pinstripe Pals. Do you

949
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: I mean to ask it or do you want us

950
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: to skip it?

951
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: Nah? I just I just had to give that right.

952
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: The Yankees have a ton of prospects on the way up,

953
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: and at the major league level, they have a lot

954
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: of stop gaps on the roster. What prospects, if any,

955
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: this season, can make a big impact on the Yankees

956
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: major league roster. That's a good question because a lot

957
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: of the guys that we look at with the Yankees

958
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: are far off. When you see Volpi, when you see Parazza,

959
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: when you see Dominguez, when you see a bunch of

960
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 1: other people like that, you think about all the guys

961
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: that are far away. Who's ready in twenty twenty two.

962
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. You know what I really

963
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 2: like about that, And honestly, I would say you're right,

964
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: except for Paraza. I think Paraza, if there was a

965
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: scenario where, you know, God forbid, ikf gets hurt, somebody

966
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: else gets hurt, Parazza could get that quick bump up

967
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 2: and get an opportunity there because the glove is ready now,

968
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: So I think you could justify it where it's like

969
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: we're rushing them a little bit, but he's hitting ninth

970
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: for us, and he's gonna pick it, and if he

971
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 2: hits a little bit, then he hits. If he doesn't,

972
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: you know, he'll get us through it instead of just

973
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: trying to panic trade for somebody. But as it pertains

974
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: to really being able to help right now, the guy

975
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: that I would bet number one, ooh, I think, And

976
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna butcher his freaking name. I hope I say

977
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: it right. Ron Mornaccio. Ron Mornaccio, you got it, Marnacchio.

978
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. As he grows, Ron Mornacchio is gross.

979
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: He's been gross in spring training. I get texts from

980
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: some players I know that work out with him, and

981
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: they're like, dude, Ron Mornaccio is a freak show. His

982
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: change up is so nasty that it looks like a

983
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: lefty slider. If you look at his strikeout numbers, he

984
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: is disgusting. I think he'll be in the bullpen if

985
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: he doesn't break Camp. I think with the expanded roster,

986
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: he might break camp if if people don't know, rosters

987
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: have been expanded to twenty eight for this year to accommodate,

988
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, the craziness. I could see him being one

989
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: of the contributors. I know that's not the most exciting

990
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: answer in the world. On the starting pitching, Hayden Wiznsky

991
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: is a guy that's not too far off. His slider

992
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: looks insane so far this spring training. He could be

993
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: in that long relief bullpen roll or get a spot

994
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: start here and there. That's a guy that I think

995
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: could end up contributing. And then you know, I'm not

996
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: gonna say Clark Schmidt because he's already been up. There.

997
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: One other guy to watch, Ken Waldachuck. I'm higher on

998
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: Walda Chuck. I think than most of the industry. He's

999
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 2: a guy that throws that invisible fastball, ton of riding action,

1000
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: really good change up, that fastball changeup combination. I think

1001
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: is big league ready now working on continuing the third

1002
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: pitch when but how often do you hear? Oh? The

1003
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: third pitch needs to be a better breaking ball, Like

1004
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 2: that's that's like a breath of fresh air.

1005
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: Jack.

1006
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: Oh, he just needs to get the breaking ball a

1007
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: little bit tighter. Fine, so much easier than it, so

1008
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 2: much easier than you need to try to figure out

1009
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 2: how to throw a pitch. Where hold on, I'm grabbing

1010
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: this stress ball. You have to hold it like this, like,

1011
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: how do you do that? You got to put your

1012
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: fingers all like, discontort them and throw it right over

1013
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: sixty feet six inches over this whatever? How twelve inch plait?

1014
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: What is it for? I don't like that. That's that's

1015
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: That's where I'm at there. And then one other guy

1016
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: that I definitely think can contribute on the offensive side,

1017
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: as Waldo Cabrera. We saw him out to the forty

1018
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: man protect from the role five. Already homeward in spring training.

1019
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: Switch hitter, like a swing way better from the left side,

1020
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: but he can play all over the infield, can play

1021
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: the outfield. That's a super utility guy that the second

1022
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: someone goes down, I think that's the guy they'll actually.

1023
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: Call on first, Yeah, four arms, right, like going from

1024
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: highest probability of them being in the Bronx at some

1025
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: point to the lowest probability, although I think it's you know,

1026
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: high for all four of these guys, I mean, Heal

1027
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: and Davey Garcia obviously, like, yeah, they got to be there,

1028
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: but I mean there's still considered prospects for the most part.

1029
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm with you on Waldechuk another guy.

1030
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: I think Luis Medina can be a bullpen arm for

1031
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: them if if they find themselves contending, because listen, one

1032
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: O two's one O two, man, Like, I know, you

1033
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: got some shit you got to iron out there. But

1034
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: if one O two is available and in wilkes Bury, like,

1035
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: go get it, go bring it to the Bronx.

1036
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm I'm yeah, I agree, I agree. I just wonder

1037
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: if they if you have someone like Marnaccio carving in

1038
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: a relief rolling triple A, go get them, Yeah, just

1039
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: go get him in and try to keep developing Medina.

1040
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: But I agree, if the if the Yankees are feeling

1041
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: it and they need uh an Arm back there, and

1042
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 2: I think that Medina is going to take that Delan

1043
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: Betantas route. Anyways, right, fel starter by the time Medina

1044
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 2: is a widely known name. If that ever happens, it'll

1045
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: be a fun fact that he was a starter to

1046
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 2: like the casual fan, right. I remember when I remember

1047
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: when people were like, oh, yeah, do you know Delan

1048
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: Betantas was a starter originally? And I was like, really, yeah,

1049
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: I know. I was like, okay, I had no idea.

1050
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: Two more these are bigger picture ones that I really enjoy.

1051
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: First one from Chewing cast what to make a prospects

1052
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 1: that are a few years removed from top one hundred lists,

1053
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 1: but I've yet to really take off of the major

1054
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: league level. Seems guys like Joe Adell, Taylor, trem Et, cetera.

1055
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: Are forgotten if they don't make immediate impacts. I love

1056
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: this because there are a lot of guys that were like,

1057
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, can't miss, and then they

1058
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: come up and it's a slow acclimat acclimatization process. You

1059
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: get acclimated.

1060
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: Acclimatization is that right, there's no the right word.

1061
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: I think that's the right word, acclimatization. It has taken

1062
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: him a little bit to get acclimated. I gotta get yeah, yeah,

1063
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: I gotta get acclimated to that word, right, right, Adele,

1064
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: I think is the perfect answer there.

1065
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think the ship is sailed on

1066
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: Taylor Treml being what the hope once was. I don't

1067
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: think this ship is said on him being a big leaguer,

1068
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: but I think the ship is sailed on him being

1069
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: an impact big leaguer. Joe Adell could still be an

1070
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: All Star, and I want that to be abundantly clear,

1071
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: Like Joe Adell can still be an All Star. He's

1072
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: twenty two. He's twenty two years old. So the definition

1073
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: basically of what the question is the definition of what

1074
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: was described as called prospect fatigue. And prospect fatigue sucks

1075
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: because it causes us to sour on players who were

1076
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: either rushed through their development process set the bar too

1077
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: high for themselves, right like destroyed Hya. We're way ahead

1078
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: of their years. Like let's say Anthony Volpi struggles this

1079
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: year and has to spend two years in Double A.

1080
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: Now people are a little bit slow, like lower on him,

1081
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, well, Volpi never was Gangbusters, you know,

1082
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: right after his first little stint. Then we wouldn't have

1083
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: this whole conversation to a degree. It's the same thing

1084
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 2: with Mackenzie Gore. It's like we're pitting these guys against themselves.

1085
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: Joe adell Is twenty two going on twenty three, is

1086
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 2: a phenomenal athlete, made adjustments to his swing, wasn't chasing

1087
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: as much. I thought looked good in his big league

1088
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 2: stint last year, but it looked much better and has

1089
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: been great so far the spring. I think that's a

1090
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: guy that is going to be an integral part of

1091
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: the Angels lineup, and I still expect him to be

1092
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: a very impact regular one hundred percent.

1093
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: A couple more names on the mound, power pitchers, Michael Kopek,

1094
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,479
Speaker 1: Nate Pearson kind of fit this mold too, right. They

1095
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: haven't fully embraced what they can be at the major

1096
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: league level. Pearson, you obviously saw, you know, go through

1097
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: some trials and tribulations and go back down, and you know,

1098
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: he's just kind of like that guy that's ready if

1099
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: anybody goes down. In Copec, he was the best swingman

1100
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: in the game, and now he's going to get his

1101
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: shot at the starting rotation. Like both those guys have

1102
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: a lot more in the tank than what they have

1103
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: shown at the.

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00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: Big league level. And again, I think you're one hundred

1105
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: percent right. What it really ends up earning them is

1106
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 2: that we were expecting them to be this superstar out

1107
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: of the gate, and then they weren't. And now we

1108
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 2: shift our expectations and we think that they can't get

1109
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: to that superstar level. Sometimes they can't, right, Brendon McKay

1110
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: is never going to get there unfortunately. Yeah, but these

1111
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: guys aforementioned guys, they can. Absolutely.

1112
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: There was somebody else that I had my thoughts and

1113
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: I was curious if you think they can get there.

1114
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: Another guy is Patino. I think Patino can be really good.

1115
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: He's getting a little fatigues now too, a little bit

1116
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: of prospect fatigue on him too, which is stupid talk

1117
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 2: about another guy that was way ahead of schedule, debuted

1118
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: at like twenty twenty one, and it's been good Like

1119
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: he's he's he's been able to get with. It's just

1120
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: a consistency. Yeah, that that's a that's another unfair one

1121
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 2: to me in my mind.

1122
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cabrian Hayes another one of those guys. Oh, he's

1123
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna be so good this year. If anybody thinks that

1124
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: Brian Hayes is gonna be good. I'm don't Oh yeah,

1125
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: my other one. Do you think Andrew Vaughan can can

1126
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: totally accomplish? It's tough and we saw him get carted off.

1127
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: Yes, Can I be Can I be very very blunt

1128
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: with you? Yeah? I think the White Sox are fucking

1129
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: that guy.

1130
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: They totally are. You don't need to you don't need

1131
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: to sugarcoat that. Like I think everybody with the White

1132
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: Sox knows that, and I think they knew that that

1133
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: was a possibility when Eloi he meant has tore his

1134
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: pack trying to rob a home run. I mean he

1135
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: was nowhere close. He tore his pack. He was out

1136
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: for the majority of the year when everybody thought Eloy

1137
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: was going to hit fifty homers.

1138
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: What the White Sox should have done, and I know,

1139
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: hindsight's twenty twenty. They should have just went out and trade.

1140
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: And I know they don't have the best system, but

1141
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: it was better then they should have went out and

1142
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: just traded for a bat in the meantime or tried

1143
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: to figure something out. But rushing the development of your prospect,

1144
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: that's one thing. Offensively then defensively throwing him out there

1145
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: in the outfield, which you know, he exceeded expectations and

1146
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: that's a testament to his work ethic and his acclamation

1147
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: out there. But it's just not fair to him as

1148
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: he's trying to warn how to hit in the big

1149
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 2: leagues to have to do that and then being out

1150
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: there in the spring, man like, that's a ball first

1151
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 2: of all, great diving catch for him. Most outfielders catch

1152
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: that in stride, just being honest, and most outfielders know

1153
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: if they're not catching that in stride in spring, you're

1154
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 2: not laying out for that thing, man like, that's that's

1155
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: the ball that you're like, you're just tempering it down

1156
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: a little bit. But when you don't have that experience

1157
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: out there, you're just kind of going for it. You're

1158
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: just reaction. It's fight or flight. Vaughn shouldn't be out

1159
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: there in terms of the outfield. He should be. He

1160
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: should have been in the minor leagues before the White

1161
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: Sox were and win now mode, I get it, but

1162
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: it's not fair to Vaughn and it's unfortunate. I think

1163
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna be great. I hope the injury's not serious,

1164
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: but you need to give this guy a chance to

1165
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: succeed in his own way, so.

1166
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: They knew when they grabbed him third that the bat

1167
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: was bigly ready when he was at COL. I think

1168
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: everybody knew that, right Like Andrew Vaughan at col was

1169
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: one of the most advanced college hitters that we have

1170
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: ever ever seen. And that's why a guy that was

1171
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,959
Speaker 1: likely a first baseman and an average one at best

1172
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: defensively went third overall because the bat was that ready

1173
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: right away. Okay, yeah, now you got to deal with

1174
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: the best pitching on the planet. And oh, by the way,

1175
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: we want you to play left. And now he comes

1176
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: into spring training, Oh, by the way, we want you

1177
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: to play right because we were.

1178
00:57:58,840 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: Too cheap to go get Con four.

1179
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough, man like, that is a tough reality.

1180
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: And and they're getting burned. They got burned with Eloi,

1181
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: who was a DH that was playing the outfield and

1182
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: will still play the outfield. And they're getting burned with Vaughn,

1183
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: who's a first baseman that could have played left, but

1184
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: instead he's playing right and he's getting carted off in

1185
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: spring training.

1186
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: Imagine if Torque, they're just like, hey, you're playing the outfield. No, Like, no,

1187
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: that's what the miners are playing the outfield, and Vaughn

1188
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: was good in the miners out of the gate, but

1189
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: he wasn't tapping into the power yet. Like that's that's

1190
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: a progression that you see with a lot of really

1191
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: talented hitters. They want to feel it out right, and

1192
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: then they start leveraging more and trying to do damage.

1193
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: Like he was still in that phase of his development.

1194
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: The bat was ready to survive in the in the

1195
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: big leagues, it wasn't ready to thrive in the big leagues,

1196
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: and he again got thrown into fight or flight mode

1197
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: and it really compromises development.

1198
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, last one, this is from officially Jase. I'd like

1199
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: to hear about some prospects you guys have been super

1200
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: high on that missed. You all seem to have a

1201
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: very good track wreck. I'd be interested to know of

1202
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: any you may have liked that didn't pan out.

1203
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: I saw that question and I was if you didn't

1204
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: put it on, I was actually gonna I was gonna

1205
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: bring it up.

1206
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: I think that's perfect because, like, obviously you veil all

1207
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: the guys that you were wrong on, but it's kind

1208
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: of fun to look back on guys that you thought

1209
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: were were can't miss that turned out to be kind

1210
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: of a miss.

1211
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know that's something like there's a level

1212
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 2: to me on this whole thing too, where I remember

1213
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: when I first started really doing the prospect analysis, not

1214
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: to make it about myself in this question, because I'm

1215
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: excited to hear yours too, but I always want like

1216
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: to be transparent on this. There was definitely a moment

1217
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: where I was like, Okay, I need to build credibility.

1218
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: If I'm wrong, I should just just move on and

1219
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: try to like sweep it under the rug. But then

1220
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: I realized, like, no one's expecting you to be perfect

1221
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: and right on every single player, and if you explain

1222
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: why you were wrong and how you learn from it,

1223
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: maybe that's an opportunity like to to earn even more

1224
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: trust and honestly, dude, like I feel very confident track

1225
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: record with with just like the guys that have been

1226
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: very adamant about and things like that. Two that come

1227
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: to mind though in terms of like where I was like, woe,

1228
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: didn't see it going like that. But the ship hasn't

1229
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: sailed on them yet, so I don't want it to

1230
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: come off like that. But they're definitely not where I

1231
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: thought they would be. Matt Manning won. Matt Manning. I

1232
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: really that's a guy. What I learned from that was

1233
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: I talked myself into the narrative more than actually just

1234
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: looking at the player and watching him and looking at

1235
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: the data and just breaking it down.

1236
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: Right.

1237
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: I was caught up in the oh. He hardly pitched

1238
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: in high school. He was a basketball player. He just

1239
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: started focusing on pitching. His command has gotten better through

1240
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: the every minor league season, and he's going to start

1241
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: throwing harder. Like, I talked myself into a narrative rather

1242
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: than just looking at the player, looking at the mechanics,

1243
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: looking at the stuff, and truly treating it like like

1244
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: a scouting opportunity. Right. That was a learning opportunity where

1245
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: it's like, yes, the narrative matter sometimes, but it's not defining.

1246
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: The other one for me was was Alec Boehm. I

1247
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: was super bullish, super bullish on Boom, and I even

1248
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: took my freaking victory lap into twenty twenty like an asshole. Look,

1249
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: I don't think the ship is sailed on Bom either.

1250
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: But he's a guy that took a major step back

1251
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: last year. The league adjusted to him. He's a guy

1252
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: that likes to get extended. He likes to use the

1253
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: whole field, and he got blown up inside. I called

1254
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: him similar to DJ Lemayhew, Like, that's the similarities I saw,

1255
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: which was that Sam, you know, drive the ball the

1256
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 2: other way, hit breaking balls well. But we saw both

1257
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: those guys impacted big time by the dead and baseball.

1258
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: I think it was more stuff with DJ as well,

1259
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: and DJ can turn on it when he needs to.

1260
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: He learned that Boem needs to learn that that is

1261
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: not aged well. For me. I don't know if there's

1262
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 2: a name that you can think of that I was

1263
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 2: hyping up that I was wrong on, but those are

1264
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 2: the two. Those are the two that come to mind.

1265
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: Another one for me that I thought would make a

1266
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: smooth transition was Daniel Lynch, one where I ignored the

1267
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: third the lack of third pitch. I talked myself into

1268
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: it because I watched him just dominate minor league righties, Yeah,

1269
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 2: with the breaking ball. It's a different game at the

1270
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: big league level. That was that was an opportunity watching

1271
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: Lynch pitch those games. I was like, it's a different

1272
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: freaking game, right, No, those are good ones.

1273
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: I think the two guys that I was like, all

1274
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: the way sold on and then I have a tandem

1275
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: for you to wrap. First one is Andrew Benin Tendy

1276
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: like I thought he was going to be and he did.

1277
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: I think that was twenty eighteen when he was in

1278
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: Boston that he put up like a three and a

1279
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: half four warst season. I was like, okay, yes, like

1280
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm ready for Benny baseball. Here, let's go. When Ben

1281
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: and Tendy won National Player of the Year, I was like, okay,

1282
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: like this guy is I mean, he's going to be

1283
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: an All Star for years to come. And then when

1284
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: he shot through the minor leagues, I was like, Okay,

1285
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: this guy's going to be an All Star for years

1286
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: to come. And when he gets up, I'm like, we

1287
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: just got to realize full Benny. And then all of

1288
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: a sudden he started to taper off.

1289
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, what's going on here?

1290
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: And now I like, I don't see a high ceiling

1291
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: for him at all anymore.

1292
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: No, he's a good ballplayer, he's fine, he's fine. Like yeah,

1293
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: that's that's one again. I think the narrative catches you there,

1294
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 2: and that happens a lot with college guys too, Like

1295
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: a Dansby Swanson who had a great year last year.

1296
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 2: But you're right, I mean, that's a guy that went

1297
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 2: one to one. If I've actually had the opportunity to

1298
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: talk to some people and uh, you know, on the

1299
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: on the drafting side of things at the big league level,

1300
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: and they're like, that's a guy that just if you

1301
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: looked at him in a vacuum as a player, so

1302
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 2: much better. Forget Vanderbilt though, forget everything, you'll get him.

1303
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 2: You're like, that's a good player. He's not one one,

1304
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 2: no hell, But what happened is you're watching him light

1305
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 2: it up. He's he's got the moxie as you like

1306
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: to call it. He's a good looking dude who does

1307
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of everything, and he's leading them to

1308
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: a national championship and he's he's just these Dansby Swanson

1309
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 2: like it just it all kind of came together, like

1310
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 2: you can't pass on this guy, right. That's a narrative thing, like,

1311
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 2: And that's the funny thing is sometimes I get caught

1312
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: up in that. I could see the narrative maybe maybe

1313
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: biting you a little bit with Ben and Tendi, because

1314
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: it was he didn't lead him to a national championship,

1315
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 2: but he was just lighting everybody the golden spikes.

1316
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: It was like, oh my god, this guy can't stop

1317
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: hitting homers.

1318
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1319
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: Fastest guy I ever saw in minor league baseball was

1320
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: Victor Roebliss. Robliss had like the craziest tools I've ever seen.

1321
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, who, this guy can be generational and then

1322
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: it turns out that he's a really solid defender and

1323
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: he can still fly, but he just can't hit for shit.

1324
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: So Robless is my other guy. And then the funniest

1325
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: one is I thought the tandem up the middle of

1326
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: JP Crawford and Scott Kingery was the next coming.

1327
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 2: So did the Phillies, but they shut out cash the

1328
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: cash for Kingery. In your defense, Crawford's decent. Now, you know,

1329
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: I think everybody thought Crawford would be pretty good. He

1330
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 2: is are right now. But that that is a funny one. Yeah,

1331
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: But you're going with guys are like you were like seventeen, bro,

1332
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: when those guys were coming out, or like eighteen when

1333
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: those guys are.

1334
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: Well, like I you've been into the analysis and prospecting

1335
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: a lot more than I have, you know what I mean,

1336
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: Like I've kept tabs on these guys, and those were

1337
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: ones that I was willing to like put my you know,

1338
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: eighteen year old stamp of approval on, like I don't know,

1339
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: you've been in this from an analytical standpoint, uh, far

1340
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: longer than I have. Those were just the guys that

1341
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: I was in love with.

1342
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah no, And those are honestly great examples of Especially

1343
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 2: I loved the an attendee one because I feel like

1344
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: that's exactly what kind of bit me is. You just

1345
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 2: realized it's such a different freaking game. It's like it's

1346
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 2: like it's like Drew Timmy right, like the college basketball

1347
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: So yes, like if if we were young and looking

1348
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: at Timmy and didn't have experience on that, oh he's

1349
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: gonna go top ten. He has Oh my god, like

1350
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 2: look at look at how you is just pivot feet.

1351
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: He's so good around the rim. He could shoot it

1352
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 2: a little bit, he's smart, he could pass it like

1353
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: you'd be like, oh yeah, but but the natural you

1354
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 2: just realize that you can't. He just won't be able

1355
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: to keep up. It's a different note.

1356
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: Like imagine when mbid backs him down, like fuck you

1357
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: threw Timmy, You know what I mean it's.

1358
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: A different game, so you know, it's it's it's really

1359
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: crazy how that works. And you learn a lot from

1360
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: from the mistakes or from from the quote unquote missus. Uh.

1361
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 2: But when I saw that question, I actually texted Kolby.

1362
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't mean to say this like

1363
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: an asshole. I just need help because I'm just always

1364
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: giving so many takes. There are any bad ones you

1365
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: can think of? I mean he was He was like, oh,

1366
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: Alec boom, you were annoying about him. And I was like,

1367
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 2: all right, that's a fair one. That is because that

1368
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 2: was the one I was gonna say, But I didn't

1369
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 2: know if there was there was another one. But we'll see,

1370
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 2: like Tom will tell, Tom will tell, there's a few

1371
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 2: that I could look like an asshole on. Now we'll see, Yeah,

1372
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: I might look like an asshole on Saraha.

1373
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: Sara is my guy, Like I I'm gonna I'm gonna

1374
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: go down with the I'm gonna go down on the

1375
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: sword if if Saraha sucks. But I don't think Sara's

1376
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: gonna suck, so he's gonna be pretty suh. This was fun, man,

1377
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: I like talking prospects.

1378
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 2: This is always a good time, always, always, and last

1379
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: few spring training games and we still have a handful

1380
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 2: of spring training games last, but I encourage people to

1381
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: once start watching them because they're fun. Now you're starting

1382
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 2: to see a lot more big reaction, but when the

1383
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 2: big leaders are out, you might see the future of

1384
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 2: your team. I was watching late last night MJ Melendez

1385
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: against Bruce star grattarol, Like, that's so cool. Oh two

1386
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: count MJ line shot back up the middle. Last thing

1387
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: I want to talk about is this MJ. The plan is,

1388
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Schedule. Plan is to have him on the

1389
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 2: Wednesday episode of The Call Up, so look out for that.

1390
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a ton of fun. He's trying to

1391
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 2: make Monday work, so we're assuming that's gonna work. But

1392
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't blame the guy if he has to move

1393
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 2: because it's so crazy right now and he's trying to

1394
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: make a freaking big league roster. Which is the last

1395
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: thing I want to close out with because I'm gonna

1396
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: gonna say something for my guy, Ja Melendez on this.

1397
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 2: He said all the right things in an interview, which was,

1398
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: you know, I'll play wherever I need to play. Uh,

1399
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 2: he's got they want to get him some repsit third, outfield, first,

1400
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 2: DH whatever, he's a plus defensive catcher. I'm not gonna

1401
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: get into the Salvi versus MJ thing. I understand what

1402
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: Salve brings to the table and brings to the dish.

1403
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 2: The one thing I'll say, though, with MJ forty one

1404
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 2: jacks last year in an eighteen percent k rate and

1405
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: you hit nearly three hundred, are you really going to

1406
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 2: start that guy in triple A because you have Carlos

1407
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 2: Santana at the big league level? Are you really gonna

1408
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 2: fucking do that? And I'm not just saying that because

1409
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: like MJ's coming on the show and we're friendly with him.

1410
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 2: I'm from a pure baseball standpoint. I can zoom out

1411
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 2: and I can remove bias here for a second, and

1412
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say the same shit if Bryson Stott is

1413
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: not is displaced because Did Gregorius is in his Bronx

1414
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 2: buddy Joe Girardi, he's playing shorts up like, I'll be pissed.

1415
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 2: What does that? Is there any world Jack to close

1416
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,959
Speaker 2: out that MJ. Melendez should repeat triple A?

1417
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: No, No, there's no world. He hit forty one, he

1418
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: led minor league baseball in homers, like, yeah, forty one,

1419
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: there was nobody in minor league baseball that hit more

1420
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: home runs than MJ.

1421
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: Melendez.

1422
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,799
Speaker 1: And this is not You're right, it's not a Perez

1423
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: versus Melendez conversation because Salvador Perez, yeah, he'll be the

1424
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: catcher for as long as the Royals want him to

1425
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: be the catcher. It's up to Salvador Perez to make

1426
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: the move himself to DH. Be like, hey, MJ's really good.

1427
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: Been doing a lot of drills with him. I think

1428
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 1: I'm okay moving to DH and having MJ catch fifty

1429
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: games and I'll catch the other However, many like that's fine,

1430
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: Salvi only caught one hundred and twenty five games last year.

1431
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: Let MJ catch the others and have him play first

1432
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: base or third base or DH.

1433
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: You're right, this is it.

1434
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: This is a Melendez versus Carlos Santana and Hunter Doser conversation. Correct,

1435
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: And I will absolutely.

1436
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 2: Roll with MJ. Melendez on that one. Here's the problem.

1437
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: Royals have ten million or twelve million committed to Carlos Santana,

1438
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't think they're gonna wear that

1439
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: and say we were wrong. Okay, do you.

1440
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: Want to do you want to win or do you

1441
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: want to get not a bang for your buck?

1442
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: Well, it was your problem though. Here's the problem Jack

1443
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: is is Melendez has struggled this spring. He's only hitting

1444
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: four twenty nine, five hundred and seven to fourteen in

1445
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: his eight games, with a home run and only three strikeouts.

1446
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: Right Minor League opening Day, Triple A Opening Day.

1447
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: Omaha is in Indianapolis on April fifth. Oh if I'm

1448
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: seeing MJ. Melendez in Indianapolis on April fifth, uh, we'll

1449
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: talk on.

1450
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 2: Me first, and you're gonna see Nick Prato too. I'll

1451
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 2: see Proto, which is so freaking stupid. God. I hope

1452
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 2: I don't see when you see those two guys, I

1453
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 2: hope you're ready for my JB Show tirade when both

1454
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: those guys are on Triple A to start the season.

1455
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 2: I am excited that you get to see them though.

1456
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: And I might even come out for that game, Like

1457
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: I'm not even good. I might even come out for

1458
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 2: that game. But I mean that's I just wanted to

1459
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: put that out there. If you gave out a bad contract,

1460
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 2: don't just keep them out there because you don't want

1461
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: to admit you were wrong. You have much better options.

1462
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 2: Literally just waiting to perform. But MJ props to him

1463
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: for saying all the right things in the interview on

1464
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 2: the MLB dot Com piece, and the guy just wants

1465
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: to play. It's arm lighton. I'm Jack McMullin MLB Networks.

1466
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: Robert Flores Tryan joins us on the Just Baseball Show tomorrow.

1467
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you then,