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Speaker 1: What's up, guys. We have a jam packed episode for

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Speaker 1: you guys today, So we're not going to spend too

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Speaker 1: much time talking about the episode because Becca, it was

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Speaker 1: kind of straightforward right until the end, Right until the end.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys really want to hear is from

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Speaker 1: our guests, and we have should I say, the Man

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Speaker 1: of the Hour, but I don't really need that as

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Speaker 1: a compliment, the Man of two hours. It was two

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Speaker 1: hour episode. We have Brendan on the show today who

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Speaker 1: will be answering all our burning questions and Becca, but

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Speaker 1: we're not going to take it easy on him. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I have no doubt that you're going to ask the

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Speaker 1: tough questions. And I'm just excited to hear from him

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Speaker 1: because as a viewer, I'm left very confused, as I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Tasia was in that moment, and so we have

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Speaker 1: to pick his brain. And like you said, the Man

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Speaker 1: of the Hour, we we just got to get him on.

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Speaker 1: But before that, we saw, you know what, I would

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Speaker 1: call him pretty straightforward episode in the most part. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's your typical fantasy suites and I think we can

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Speaker 1: kind of go into it a little bit. Nothing too

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Speaker 1: major happened and your standout moments. I think it's great

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Speaker 1: that they had Ivan and Zach back to back because

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Speaker 1: in that regard, we see Ivan Taltasia he's fallen in

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Speaker 1: I'm in love with you. So already we're off to

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Speaker 1: a great start. We have two awesome contenders. You know,

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Speaker 1: That's what I was at least thinking watching these first

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Speaker 1: to go down. I feel like that was the more

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Speaker 1: that aren't really in their heads per se. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what did you think of the date portions for

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Speaker 1: both of those dates? I mean, with Ivan, I definitely

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Speaker 1: telling Tasia that he loved her, Oh my gosh, you

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Speaker 1: I mean, oh my gosh, it was such an innocent,

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Speaker 1: sweet moment. Then fast forward I've think pretty with Zach

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Speaker 1: and Tasha. I've been saying, I don't see it. I

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Speaker 1: don't see it. Well, folks, I saw it today or

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Speaker 1: I saw it last night. I saw Tasia had a

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Speaker 1: giving us too much. I mean, they've literally said they

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Speaker 1: It has this serious and they have these great tense,

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Speaker 1: so far she hasn't only told one person that she

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Speaker 1: clearly both adore Tatia, which is what she deserves. She

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Speaker 1: That was a voiceover, hands down, it was a voiceover.

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Speaker 1: He had no idea who he was talking to. Okay,

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Speaker 1: see what happened with Brendan. I don't want to get

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Speaker 1: because we're gonna ask Brendan all those questions like why

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Speaker 1: no room to speculate. We don't have to guess about it.

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Speaker 1: I think, in perfect timing, show up to give Tacious

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Speaker 1: There was a lot less out in that conversation, which

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Speaker 1: These are questions that need to be asked. These are

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Speaker 1: great question, Alex. She said yes on the podcast, yes,

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Speaker 1: but then we learned later at the Friends Giving that

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Speaker 1: And I kept joking and looking over my shoulder and saying,

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like somebody's gonna come back. No one

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Speaker 1: Somebody's got to come back. Well, as we see in

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Speaker 1: where you were like, what the hell did I get

427
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: myself into? Like for real, what am I doing? Yeah? Yeah,

428
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: without a doubt. It was within the first night where

429
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: it was two, three, four or five in the morning.

430
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: I hadn't had a chance to speak with Claire, and

431
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: then we go into the roast oremony It's like seven

432
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: or eight in the morning. Um, and I'm like, oh,

433
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going home. This was this was, you know,

434
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: the biggest waste of time of my entire life. But um,

435
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: standing there like, oh, of course I'm gonna go home,

436
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 1: and like what did I get myself into? Uh? And

437
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: then you know, I stuck a rash and Claire kept

438
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: me around just to just to try to torture me

439
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more, which these crazy things. And then

440
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: obviously the you saw the Dodgeball date I'm assuming where um, yeah,

441
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: Claire was like, okay, guys, now you actually have to

442
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: get naked, and I'm like, wait, um, you know, I

443
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: assume this was like a joke where we're gonna cut

444
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: it off. You have to have us take our little

445
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: tiny jog straps off. I'm like, I have nieces and

446
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: nephews and family back home that I don't want to

447
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: see me get naked on national TV. So walking home,

448
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: I was like, what in God's name am I doing here?

449
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: But but thankfully Tatia came along. So and thankfully you

450
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: weren't you use yeah, handled it, handled it? Well? Yeah, yeah,

451
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: not for a second. Did I blame Claire or you know, um,

452
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: I was clear definitely joking about her intentionally torturing anybody,

453
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: was it was? Yeah, I didn't think that she wanted

454
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: to embarrass anyone or anything like that. It was just

455
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: I'm a little more reserved than probably some of the

456
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: other guys, and it was like, you know, I was like,

457
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: oh god, you know, is this is this what the

458
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: entire experience is going to be? Like basically, well, I'm

459
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: glad that you brought that up, because even Rachel and

460
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: I got some flack on the podcast for talking about

461
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: that date when the guys did get naked and they said, like,

462
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be condoning this, like if roles were reversed,

463
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: that would not be okay. But it's good to hear

464
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: that you had a choice and you could keep the

465
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: jockstrap on. You can participate or not participate as much

466
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: as you wanted. Um So, hopefully you didn't feel pressured into,

467
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, having to fulfill this fully fully stripped name.

468
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, so you you mentioned you just said, you know,

469
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: thankfully Tatia came along and we finally got to know

470
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: you a little bit more. And um so, going back

471
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: to the beginning I guess of Tatia's season, because you

472
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: got that very first one on one, which historically speaking

473
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: is a big deal. I seek deal, it's a huge deal.

474
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: I think most people that get one of the first

475
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: initial one on one dates tend to just go further

476
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: in the process. And so when you had that one

477
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: on date one on one date, we obviously see so

478
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: much chemistry between the two of you. M So, tell

479
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that, Like, were you shocked

480
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: when she gave that to you? Did you feel like

481
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: you both had this intense, insane initial connection. And then

482
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: what was it attract what attracted you to her so much? Obviously,

483
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: like aside from her looks, Like, what was it that

484
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: really attracted you to her? Yeah, I mean initially it

485
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: was when you know, when she entered the room, literally

486
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: the first thing outside of her beauty that I noticed

487
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: in a lot like guys said this, but I feel

488
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: like I thought of it first, but she she did

489
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: this like little wiggle um where I was like, Okay,

490
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: she's you know, and that that I felt like that

491
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: just like encompassed all the amazing qualities up Tasa and

492
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: just like a little quick movement where I'm like, Okay,

493
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: she's not she's taking this very very seriously, but she's

494
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: also going to be her true, genuine natural self. She's

495
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna be silly and goofy and but at the same

496
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: time like sweet and gentle. And that that's the biggest

497
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: impression that I had of hers. Like every time I

498
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: was with her. Um, she obviously made me feel amazing,

499
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: but she was just so gender and sweet and I'm

500
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: certainly drawn to personalities like that, um, and that it

501
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: was like, it was so amazing how she was gentle, kind, sweet,

502
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: but balanced like that strong confident woman as well. Um

503
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: and uh it was certainly sure of herself. Uh and

504
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: everything she said and did. Um. But that first night,

505
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: the first conversation I had with her, UM, I thought

506
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: it went really well and uh, I was like, okay,

507
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: we're we're vibing, We're I think she's like she's looking

508
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: at me, like not looking past me, waiting for who's

509
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: coming next. I think she was really like in it

510
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: and committed to that conversation. I'm sure most of the

511
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: guys felt that way too, but a lot of the

512
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: other guys were like, hey, you know, I have my

513
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: my my turtleneck on and whatnot, so she probably was like,

514
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, who's this kid? But UM, I feel like

515
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: she she gave me like a double take, and that's

516
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: something I didn't notice. But a lot of the guys

517
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: were like, oh, I think she you know, she gave

518
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: you a quick like double look before she hugged you.

519
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: So um. But still at the end of the day,

520
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: I was surprised that I got the first one on one. Um.

521
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm confident person, I suppose, but I'm

522
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: always like, Okay, there's other the studs there like Spencer.

523
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: You know Ben obviously, um easy, like all the I'm like,

524
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: these guys are studs, you know, how why would I

525
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: get the first one on one? Uh? But you know

526
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: played out that way, and I was definitely grateful for it. Well,

527
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: you got to be a confident man to wear a

528
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: turtleneck in the middle of Palm Springs something. I'm just

529
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: gonna say it. Yeah, I'm just gonna put that up there,

530
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: just to remind all the listeners. They were in Palm

531
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: Springs in the middle of the summer. It was August.

532
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: Becca and I were both there. It was the hottest time.

533
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we've been nice enough. Excuse me, I'm

534
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: tick sip. Okay, let's go. Let's go one. Then let's

535
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: talk about last night. I don't even want to talk

536
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: about stuff in between, because at this point our listeners

537
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: really don't care. We need to understand what happened last night.

538
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: Becca and I talked about this a little bit last

539
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: week on the podcast. Yeah, we are personally tired of

540
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: the narrative of the person who comes on the show

541
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: and makes it far enough only to leave on their own.

542
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. And we asked you, you know,

543
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: did you watch the show before. I wasn't an avid.

544
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the show before either, but I know

545
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: the show ends in an engagement, and since my season

546
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: and Becca season, the show ends and boyfriend and girlfriend.

547
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: So now the rules are just kind of up in

548
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: the air. You don't have to get engaged. Everyone watching

549
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: is trying to understand why you would take it this

550
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: far and then pull yourself out, because it's very obvious

551
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: that Tasia was into you. I mean, after your first

552
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: date she was like, that's it. You know, it's it's Brendan.

553
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you would would take it that

554
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: far if you knew you weren't ready. Yeah. No, that's

555
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: an absolutely great question and very understand why people want

556
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: to know. And for me, what I set out to

557
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: do since day one was just be myself and be

558
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: genuine and lived each and every moment, you know, and

559
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: be as true as I possibly can be UM and

560
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: going into this crazy experience in Journey, Um, you know,

561
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect UM, and I didn't

562
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: know if this would work for me, um. And and

563
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, finding uh, Tasia Um as amazing and beautiful

564
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: as she was in that connection was true and really there, UM.

565
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: You know, I was gonna take it day by day,

566
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: and as I moved farther along into the process, UM,

567
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: I try to be as true to myself and not

568
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: UM do anything for any other reasons than any any

569
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: other factors outside factors. So UM, as amazing as Tatia was,

570
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to do something that UM wasn't gonna in

571
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: the long run hurt her. UM in the long run,

572
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: be worse than the moment of what we saw last night. UM.

573
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: So I think the biggest takeaway from me was, UM,

574
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: I know I want the family. I know I want

575
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: a wife and children. UM. But knowing and being completely

576
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: ready where it was something I discovered that there was

577
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: a little gap there. It was a little gap UM

578
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: that I need to close at some point, and I

579
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: need to figure that out for myself. And knowing that

580
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: I am not a complete man, and I've been through

581
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: that relationship before and I've been married UM, and understanding

582
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 1: and being okay with with not being entirely okay uh

583
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: and being okay with UM, you know, looking at someone

584
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: that's so beautiful and amazing and saying that you know,

585
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: this seemingly could work, and this this could be an

586
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: amazing thing for us. Um, but I don't want to

587
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: hurt you any more than this moment will down the road. UM.

588
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: So UM, yeah it was. It was really really tough

589
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: for me. Not gonna, not gonna act like it was

590
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: it was an easy decision, um, clearly, but it was.

591
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: You know, I have this beautiful, amazing woman right in

592
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: front of me, and uh, for some reason that I

593
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: still wrestle with today. Um, you know I self sabotaged

594
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: the moment. Um. You know, I was protecting myself in

595
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: a sense. You know, I was protecting myself, um, from

596
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: getting hurt. And and uh you know, as as corny

597
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: as that is, as stupid as that sounds. Um, you

598
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: know I have been married before, and uh, I feel

599
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: like it would be a disservice to Tatia in a

600
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: way if I went into an engagement and I got

601
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: down on one knee, Um, and I wasn't completely one

602
00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: hundred percent all in and ready. Um. And yeah I

603
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: want to so because as a viewer, I mean, the

604
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: moment Tasia came in, we see this connection between the

605
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: two of you and this chemistry and you can just

606
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: tell you guys are drawn to each other. So it

607
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: really and that was I think kind of the storyline

608
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: between you two. It was very steady up until I

609
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: would say hometowns. Obviously you questioned it a little bit

610
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: with your family of just like, am I one hundred

611
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: percent fully ready for like what's to come at the

612
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: end of this if it is me? But it really

613
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: wasn't until last night or well, I should say, like

614
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: your day portion with mister Neil Lane and like looking

615
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: at the rings and the jewelry and talking about that

616
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: future and like what that could look like between you two.

617
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: Is that that moment when you were looking at those

618
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: rings where you're like, holy shit, I'm actually not ready

619
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: to do this, Or when did it really hit you?

620
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: Because that night you go in and I think Tasia

621
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: could tell that something was off, that you guys were

622
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: disconnected in some sort of way, which obviously then leads

623
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: to the conversation that then you went home after. But

624
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: where was that moment where you actually were like, Okay,

625
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: I have to now sit down and have this combo

626
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: with her and really hash it out and say I

627
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: can't get to where you need me to be at

628
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: the end of this. Yeah, So it was it was

629
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: probably a few days a day or two after the

630
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: hometown date where I started to kind of shrink to

631
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: myself instead of potentially going all the way. And I

632
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: notatious here for a husband, and she's here to leave engaged.

633
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: And of course it may come off a certain way

634
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: where I made it so far and didn't commit, but

635
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I was truly, genuinely with every fire but my being,

636
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: trying to see if this could work for me, and

637
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: before taking it into the fantasy sweet portion of the

638
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: date and the journey and before making you know, having

639
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: an intimate moment with patient, before taking it to that

640
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: next level. Um, I came to the realization that I

641
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: don't know if I'll be able to get down on

642
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: one knee at the end of this. And you know,

643
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: and obviously I'll say it a million times and I

644
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: can't reiterate it enough, you know, how perfect she is. Uh.

645
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: And so that made me kind of internalize everything and

646
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: look inward as far as um, yeah, there's there's still

647
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: some healing, there's still some growing that I need to

648
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: do within myself to potentially be ready for that. And yeah,

649
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: the after the hometowns and and uh, again I'll preface

650
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: all this was saying I most certainly self sabotaged. I, um,

651
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: you know, brought this upon myself, and I definitely have, um,

652
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, certain regrets as far as uh, you know,

653
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: not necessarily something I did or said, but regrets as

654
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: a whole um that it didn't play out certain way. Well,

655
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: I think you should because here's the thing. I hear you,

656
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: I hear you, But everybody knows what this show's about.

657
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: So when you say, you know, every time you accepted

658
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: a rose at a rose ceremony, that's one step closer

659
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: to you moving towards an engagement. You know that there

660
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: are no tricks or anything like when it comes to that.

661
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: So to me, it's such a cop out to say

662
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: while when I was on the nil lane day or

663
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: after I saw hometowns, you know what, you're moving towards

664
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: every single rose ceremony, and so I find it it's

665
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: very hard for me for you to just wake up

666
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: and then realize it's happening. I don't understand that. It

667
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: honestly doesn't make sense to me, and so what I

668
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: would I'll, you know, let you respond to that. But

669
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: then at the same time, do you think that that's

670
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: selfish on you on your part? Because it sounds like

671
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: you were never ready for this. Yeah. Yeah, um it was,

672
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, going into this journey. I knew, of course

673
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: what the end result would entail it if I were

674
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: to go all the way, but I never promised um,

675
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, Tatia, or promised anyone that I was going

676
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: to be able to get there. It was from day

677
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: one with Tasia. Every time you accept a rose, you're

678
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: making that person we're talking to two former leads, You're

679
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: making them feel like you're moving because Tatia's intentions never changed.

680
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: She always said what she wanted, and when you accept

681
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: a rose, that's what you're accepting that you as well

682
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: are willing to move forward towards what she wants. So yeah,

683
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: it's never verbally said it, but you did it with

684
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: your actions by staying every week. That's why I ask you,

685
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: do you think that you were selfish? Yeah? I think

686
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: it was as a whole. It was it would appear

687
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: to be a selfish move on my part of how

688
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: how things ended. And again you might not be able

689
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: to look at it in this way, and you know

690
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: it's obviously for for everyone's uh you know, judgment and

691
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: opinion on it. But I was trying to be as

692
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: as selfless as possible as far as um, you know,

693
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: not taking this to the very end with Tatia and

694
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: informing her of this then you know, not being the

695
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: last guy, uh and dropping this bomb on her then

696
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: um or not, you know, because it would have been

697
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: so much easier for me to to go all the way, um,

698
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: get engaged, and then figure it out later. And that

699
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: that was a kind of a big idea for the guys,

700
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: like you know, this engagement is just kind of permission

701
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: to date afterwards, and that was the underlying theme of

702
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: some of the guys. And that's not how I took it,

703
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: uh And and it's um, you know I could have.

704
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: It would have been so much easier if I just

705
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: made the end, we got engaged, and we figured it

706
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: out after. But that's not something that I was willing

707
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: to do. His eyes, That would have been no, no, no,

708
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: of course, of course. But but um, as far as

709
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: how the show played out and then we figured it

710
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: out after. Um. And but my true intention, like every

711
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: single day of course excepting a rose, was me agreeing

712
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: to continue this journey. Um. But I did my best

713
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: to see right now, yeah, he's not he's not hearing it. No, I, Um,

714
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, I took every day as I'm going to

715
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: do my best to see if I can cultivate these

716
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: feelings in such a short amount of time and truly

717
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: only knowing Tatia for you know, a month's time, and

718
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: and you know, having those little pockets of time with

719
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: her and moments with her. Um, I was going to

720
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: give those moments everything I had and commit to them

721
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, and I was going to see if

722
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: it worked for me and see if I could really

723
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: genuinely fall in love. And I really did grow strong,

724
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: strong feelings for this amazing, beautiful woman, but unfortunately I

725
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: wasn't able to completely commit to getting down on one knee.

726
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: And I completely understand any backlash that will come my way,

727
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: because of course, you know, that would have been an

728
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: amazing ending to an amazing journey, and so I want that.

729
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: So it's a weird world because obviously Rachel and I

730
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: were leads and we went through the entire process. We

731
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: both did get engaged and Rachel did go on to

732
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: get married. So the show does work. And I think

733
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: just being in this position, like the number one question

734
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: I get asked from people is is the show real,

735
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: like do you think you really developed true feelings for somebody?

736
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: And my response is always yes. I mean like I

737
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: was with my person from the show for two years,

738
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: like it truly can work. But maybe for somebody like

739
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: you who had never watched a full episode, like yes,

740
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know what you're

741
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: signing up for and that there is an engagement on

742
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: the line, but you really don't know until you're in

743
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: that bubble per se where you have to see the person,

744
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: have to interact and see how they are with the

745
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: other other contestants as well. So I'm just trying to

746
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: play deadvils. Oh my god, I cannot talk Devil's advocate

747
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: here a little bit, to try and put myself in

748
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: your shoes to see what you're feeling. And there is

749
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on the show, like that's there

750
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: is on the contestant side and the lead side. But

751
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: I guess it's just hard knowing how much, especially a

752
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: lead puts on this entire journey, like we take it

753
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: so seriously, and not to say that you didn't, because

754
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: I don't know, And it sounds like you really were

755
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: trying to be selfless here, but as a lead to

756
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: have gotten that far with three of your top guys

757
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: that you are so into that you really truly could

758
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: see a future with. It's hard getting to that point

759
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: and having somebody back out and be like, oh, just kidding,

760
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, this is a little too much. I'm going

761
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: to bow out now, which I guess leads me to

762
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: a question. Then, if a conversation between you and Taitia

763
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: took place where she had expressed Okay, maybe I understand

764
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: you're not ready, but I have all these strong feelings

765
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: for you. And if an engagement wasn't on the line,

766
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: and she didn't say, hey, you need to get down

767
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: on one knee and proposed at the end of this,

768
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: would do you think you would have stayed and continued

769
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: to explore that relationship. And do you think if that

770
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: would have been you and her at the end, that

771
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: you would have continued on in that relationship or would

772
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: it have still been too much too fast? Yeah? I

773
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: think I think if an engagement wasn't something that she

774
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: was really truly looking for, and you know, at the

775
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: end of this, if it wasn't you know a certainty

776
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: that that you know, proposal was going to be there. Yeah,

777
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: I definitely would have would have stuck around and continued

778
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: the journey. What do you say to people who would

779
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: say you waited until you got to the top three.

780
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure DeMar the encyclopedia, who could tell you everything

781
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: about the Batchelor franchise knows that puts you in prime

782
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: position to be the next lead. Right like your top three,

783
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: you're in a position to be the lead. What do

784
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: you say to people who say, will you stay long

785
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: along just enough to be in contention to be the

786
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: next bachelor? If they, you know, if they knew me,

787
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: and of course people that don't know me. Um, you know,

788
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would ever accept that role

789
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: truly and genuinely. That would be something that obviously I

790
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: would have to talk to my family about and really

791
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: think about it and pray on. But I don't think

792
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: as I sit here today, I don't think I would

793
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: accept that that role. Would be very very grateful for

794
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: the potential opera tunity, but I don't think I would

795
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: accept that. Um. But as far as the self eliminating

796
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: aspect of it, UM, I was just so so hopeful

797
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: that Taitia meeting my family would kind of remove any

798
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: doubt I had and solidify the already strong feelings I

799
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: had for her. UM. And it's not like I always

800
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: knew I wasn't going to be able to do it

801
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: and propose at the end. I just had my doubts

802
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: and I wasn't gonna pretend they weren't there. UM. And

803
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: I was really really hopeful that you know, my my family,

804
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: my my older brother UM coming along and reassuring me

805
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: and saying, this is UM. You know, if this is

806
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: something you want to do and you feel strongly about UM,

807
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: then go all the way in on And unfortunately, UM,

808
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: I was very hopeful. But it after that moment is

809
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: as amazing as the day was, and amazing as the

810
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: hometown's worrantation. Meeting my family UM and spending time with

811
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: my niece and that was just absolutely amazing. UM. I

812
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: was like, oh shoot, I don't know, I don't know

813
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: if I can do this. This this didn't solidify those

814
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: feelings that I was hopeful that it would. So yeah,

815
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: oh boy, it would make sense for you to be

816
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: the bachelor, just saying based off of what you've the

817
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: reason for you self eliminating, how could you then go

818
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: on a show and navigate thirty plus relationships because you

819
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: couldn't thought the women if they self eliminated, because you

820
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: know what it's like to be in that space, And

821
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: then how did you navigate? You only had one woman

822
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: to focus on, who you know, you've complimented and said

823
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: is fantastic, which she is, and now you've gonna have

824
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: to go through thirty plus women who are the same way.

825
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: It honestly wouldn't really make sense if I were to

826
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: be the bachelor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, That's why I'm truly

827
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: not not in this. I didn't accept this amazing opportunity

828
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: for uh to be the bachelor, to go on paradise

829
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. I as I sit here today, I don't

830
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: think I'll ever do this again, you know. And as

831
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: amazing as this was and as grateful as I am

832
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: for this experience, UM, I was like, I'm going to

833
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: see if this could work for me, and and you know,

834
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: by the grace of God, Tatia came along and obviously

835
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: it played out as it did, and it not the

836
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: happiest of endings for me. Um, But I'm not here

837
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: to be the bachelor, and UM, I think that's that's

838
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: probably Ben's Ben's job. The next time around, but he's

839
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: more suit he's more suited and cut out. You would

840
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: be great or Paradise. So Paradise is different. You'd have

841
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: more time to navigate. But yeah, he gave you more

842
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: time and interest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he'd be great on that. Well,

843
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this because last night, when

844
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: you're having this hard, hard conversation with Tasia before you

845
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: do go home, you mentioned that you still do feel

846
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: this sense of brokenness and that you're not fully ready

847
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: to give yourself fully to somebody, and that you're still

848
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: working through some of that pain and the healing. So

849
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 1: going through that and living through this experience or this journey,

850
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: I guess if you will on the bout Surette, have

851
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: you learned lessons that you can take now into your

852
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: real life or have you worked on healing just in

853
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: your own home, your own space with your close loved

854
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: ones that can help you now heal your head in

855
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: your heart in a way where you are ready to

856
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: give yourself fully to somebody. Yeah. Yeah, I think that

857
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: through the course of my time on the show and

858
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: obviously being in interviews, and you'll have your phone and

859
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: TV and any distraction, all you really can do it

860
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: is look inward and obviously through the help of amazing

861
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: producers and the other contestants, and obviously in a sense

862
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: tay show where you're constantly self reflecting and trying to

863
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: navigate your own feelings emotions. UM. So that's something, of

864
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: course I've never done in my entire life. And then um,

865
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: discovering certain things about myself, coming to certain realizations where um, yeah,

866
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: this is me, like I can't I can't hide behind

867
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: anything anymore. Um, and this is this is me as like, uh,

868
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: still a broken man to a certain extent. And I

869
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: put on this front with my family and friends, uh

870
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: and people I interact with that you know, I'm generally

871
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: always happy and um uh you know, cheerful and smiling

872
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: and joking around. But yeah, there's a little part of

873
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: me that's still, um, you know, still a wound that

874
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: that uh you know, isn't entirely healed, and I don't

875
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: know if it ever will be. UM. And most certainly

876
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: after the show and since being back, um, you know,

877
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: slowly but surely um, understanding who I am and working

878
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: through different feelings and emotions and um, I think one

879
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: of the biggest takeaways from the show is like I'm

880
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: not gonna jump into a relationship even if it's just dating.

881
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: And you know, if I'm not, of course you have

882
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: to date to see if it might work out or

883
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: you can get engaged and married and everything. But I'm

884
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: not just going to date to date and you know,

885
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: see what happens. And um, you know, I'm gonna you know,

886
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: really be specific and as far as who I pursue

887
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: and whatnot and whatever you know comes my way. Uh,

888
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: it's going to be intentional and you know, so um yeah,

889
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: and it's going to be a process. Obviously, I'm you know,

890
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: thirty one year old man now and and uh you

891
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: know I'm not a not a twenty something y're old. Um,

892
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 1: so it seems strange, and you know, it might seem

893
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: strange that like, dude, you've got you've got all these

894
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: problems and whatnot, and you're you know, uh not you're

895
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: insecure about certain things and relationships and you're protecting yourself

896
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: and you might self sabotage relate relationships in your life.

897
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: But I am who I am, and you know that's

898
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: all I can do is be myself. So I'm still

899
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: working through things and trying to be the best version

900
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: of myself every day and that's very real. That's very

901
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: very real. I just gotta say for somebody going through

902
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: a very recent breakup, like take the bouchere and your

903
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: experience there aside, I think it's so good that you

904
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: as a man and women. I think men and women

905
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: both should do this. I think women tend to just

906
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: do it a little bit more. Is to take time

907
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: for yourself and to really think about your past relationships

908
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: and to learn and grow and what worked and what

909
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: didn't work, and realize what you need moving forward, both

910
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: in yourself and in the potential partner. So partner, So

911
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: kudos to you for even recognizing that and taking the

912
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: time and the effort that goes into it, because quite honestly,

913
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't know many men that would do that, that

914
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: would have that mentality. So I think that's that's very commendable. Yeah,

915
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: thank you. I think that you know, listen, you sat

916
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: through the tough questions. I'm not I would much rather

917
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: that you left than you get down on one knee,

918
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 1: you know, for show that I appreciate and I think

919
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: as hard as it was for Tasia to see you go,

920
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: because I know for a fact she would have given

921
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: you a rose at the rose ceremony. I think that

922
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: she appreciates that she didn't have to deal with that

923
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: later on. So like, as much as I don't like

924
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: how it happened, definitely commend you for doing that. And

925
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: I think that when you do, heal yourself. I think

926
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: I literally told back of the story there's something about

927
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: thirty one. Okay, I remember I tell you that my sister,

928
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: my little sisters thirty one too. There's something about thirty one.

929
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: I was thirty one when I went on the show,

930
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: and I was came from a relationship five years that

931
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: I thought we were going to get married, heartbroken, devastated.

932
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: There's something about it where you just, I don't know,

933
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: you really just start to figure things out and look

934
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: within and know exactly what it is that you want.

935
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: And I feel like when you get to that place

936
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: where you know you're ready, there's a beach calling your name,

937
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: I think Paradise. Normally I would ask you if you

938
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: wanted to go to Paradise, but you know, like you've

939
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: already said, you know, you want to make sure that

940
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: you're right and you're ready. But Paradise, I think would

941
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: be fantastic for you, because we've seen relationships that work.

942
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: You have more one on one time you get to

943
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: know that person, and then you have multiple people that

944
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: you get to meet and know and it's not just

945
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: one person. So I think you would thrive. I know

946
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: the ladies are already in your DMS, and I'm sure

947
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: tell us, tell us what tell us one person from

948
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: baschlination that's been in your DMS, because I know just

949
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: one Bachelor Nation. I honestly I haven't, like I barely

950
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: look at the DM like I'll give it a scroll

951
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: every now and now doing now, oh, take out your

952
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: fall look into your look into your DMS and scroll

953
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: for that blue check because I don't you know stuff.

954
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: I know you're like, yeah, Brendan, you're you're a good

955
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: looking man. You're you're very in touch with your emotions.

956
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: We don't like the way it went down. Oh he

957
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: sees it. Think that one stuff we need go to

958
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: top requests, go to go to top requests. Um, even

959
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: if it's non batination, if it's somebody good right, like

960
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: maybe like a model, but no, this is embarrassing. I

961
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: don't think anyone like that, anyone, as I promise. Okay, ladies,

962
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: damn brand while you scrolling through all those dms. Have

963
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: you and changed to talked since you left? Because obviously

964
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: usually her time to confront most of the men is

965
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: at mental all and you weren't there because you know,

966
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 1: we still saw you at Hometowns and going into Fancy Sweet.

967
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: So have Fancy Sweet week. So have you guys chatted

968
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: since then? We haven't. We haven't. I've I've tried to

969
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: be very respectful of you know, I'm not completely certain

970
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: how the rest of Tatia's journey plays out, and I

971
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: don't know if she's engaged or not. And obviously if

972
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: she is engaged, it would be to you know, one

973
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: of the last remaining guys that that I respect and

974
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: care for a great deal. So I don't want to, um,

975
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, reach out just yet. I definitely plan on

976
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: doing that, and you know, I when after next week

977
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: or excuse me, after the last episode. Um, you know,

978
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm definitely planning on reaching out and just expressing, um,

979
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, my my feelings for her as far as

980
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: the amazing, beautiful woman that she is, and and you know,

981
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: apologizing in any way of for making her experience harder

982
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: than it should have been and reassuring her you know

983
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: how amazing my time was with her, and I enjoyed

984
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: every single second I was with her. Um, but I

985
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: want to wait until after I kind of see what

986
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: and then and go from there. That's it happens all

987
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: the time, So don't feel like when we were leads.

988
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: I think I've talked to almost every person from my season,

989
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: even my top twos, threes, fours, you know, so it

990
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: really way like, you know, because once things are up

991
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: and running again, you're there's going to be times and

992
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: events and moments when you run into each other, and

993
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: so it's People always think it's like such a weird world,

994
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: but it's really not, you know, unless you ended on terrible,

995
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: terrible terms, which you didn't. Um. Yeah, I'm sure you

996
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: guys will run into each other and hopefully can hash

997
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: out and have a good conversation. But I want to

998
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: ask this, since we're getting to the good, juicy stuff.

999
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier in the podcast that there were some

1000
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: guys who made it seem like, oh, you know, like

1001
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: we'll get engaged but now we can just date, and

1002
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: that didn't maybe take it as seriously, So who are they?

1003
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: I need? Um, I can't I'm not gonna say any names.

1004
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: I can't, but but there were I think who specifically

1005
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: said that, Uh it's someone I'm not gonna I'm not

1006
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: gonna say, but I think more so you can very

1007
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: clear and evident who some of the guys that I love.

1008
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: But some of the goofballs you know, in in between,

1009
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: um that were you know more so uh dealing with

1010
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: each other back and forth as opposed to spending time

1011
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: with Asia and uh Rachel. Were you closest to in

1012
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: the house who were like your boys? My my my boy, boy,

1013
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: my my my guy from from night one was was Joe. Um, yeah,

1014
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: he's uh yeah, he's the sweetest guy. Yeah, he's the

1015
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: sweetest guy I've ever met. And um, we would have

1016
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: like since we're in the same limit together and spent

1017
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: time the first night, and then from that point on

1018
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: we were we were best friends on the show. But yeah,

1019
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: Joe and I've seen him, um since and and he's,

1020
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: uh yeah, he's gonna be one of my close friends

1021
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: for a long time. And I love Ben. Me and

1022
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: Ben spent a lot of time together. He was trying

1023
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: to trying to put some muscle on me. Towards the

1024
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: end of the season. Yeah body, Ben, Um, yeah, I

1025
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: love Ben. He's he's smart, handsome, um, intelligent dude. Where

1026
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: he uh was very very sweet, you know, like would

1027
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: didn't seem like we were competing in any way. He

1028
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: was just like, um, you know, made the best man

1029
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: win and and um and Ivan Zach is an amazing guy. Easy.

1030
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: I thought Easy was like the funniest dude in the

1031
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: entire world. Ed was actually eds the funniest dude in

1032
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: the entire worlds. Second, Um, yeah, who I got a

1033
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: literally got along with every single guy. Um. I and

1034
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: Bennett didn't really talk ever. I think he's too too

1035
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: intellectual for me. We just couldn't couldn't connect. So we're

1036
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's a great guy. Me and Riley weren't

1037
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: like super close. He was like to himself a lot,

1038
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, most of the other guys we were

1039
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: very very close. And yeah, I mean I was one

1040
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: of the more more quiet, you know, to myself guys,

1041
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: but slowly developed like real relationships, which hopefully I have

1042
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: always good is all those relationships are key. Okay, before

1043
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: back to ask her last question, I have to ask

1044
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: you this. When you were dancing at hometime, what song

1045
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: was really playing some some some all these uh eighty songs. No, no,

1046
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: it was some some no name song just to beat um.

1047
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: But what we actually saw I think, I think so,

1048
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: I think it really so you know, you know, if

1049
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: I had a real beat and in a real song

1050
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: like some drake or something, I would have you know,

1051
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: I would have gone off a little but that you

1052
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: were dancing to a real song. But they just couldn't

1053
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: know that play it, so they just put a beat

1054
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: over it. But they really onlyk you just a beat. Yeah,

1055
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: thirty seconds and like the interest side the bust real quick.

1056
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: What was supposed to happen was my niece. We were

1057
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: going to do like a TikTok dance and she kind

1058
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: of got shy at the last second. So it was

1059
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: like a moment where nothing was happening. I'm like, all right,

1060
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: I gotta try to save this moment here and move

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00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. But then ended up just embarrassing myself.

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Speaker 1: And it was fun to see, like we love what

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00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: we could see another side of you. So it was

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00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: a fun momento. All right. Well, we have our last

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00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: question that we ask all of our guests, and basically

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00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: it is what is your and what is your rose

1067
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: of the entire experience, Like, so your highlight and low light.

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01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: I think my highlight was definitely my hometown date and

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01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: just having my family there, and you know, you see

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01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: me like crying half the episode, It wasn't you know.

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01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: They pieced together some other moments of left me being

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01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: emotional and made it seemed like I was crying the

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01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: whole time, but I actually was crying like ninety eight

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01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: percent of the time in real time. But um, but

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01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: like seeing my having my niece there and my older

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01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 1: brother and obviously which I expressed how much he means

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01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: to me, and my sister in law was amazing. And

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01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: then having this entire journey with Tatia, with this amazing woman,

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01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: and then having it come to that moment where she's

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01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: actually meeting my family and how she interacted with my family,

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01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was just a definitely the highlight of

1082
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: my experience there. Um and uh yeah, and just again

1083
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: sums up how amazing Tastie is and wonderful she is

1084
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: that she made it seem so natural. Uh And and

1085
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: like meeting my my silly family and with my niece

1086
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: and um and embracing her and then the low point

1087
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: of my time there, I think was definitely not not

1088
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: because of the act necessarily of like getting naked at

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01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: the dodge ball date. Um, but it was more so, Okay,

1090
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: is this what this entire journey is going to be

1091
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: like for me? Just like doing these ridiculous things, embarrassing myself.

1092
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: So you know this the Bachelor, I can catch your

1093
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: eye and you know, so I got to do something

1094
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: drastic and and um, you know, really put myself out there,

1095
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: like play dodge ball naked, and like, this is going

1096
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: to be what my experience is. You know, you got

1097
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: to swing it if you want to win. So but yeah,

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01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: like I said a million times, luckily Tatia came along,

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01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: and yeah it was. It was some of the most

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01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: amazing moments I've had in my entire life. So I'm

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01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: very grateful for that. Oh well, Brendan, we are so

1102
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: happy to have you on. And I know we grilled

1103
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: you a little bit for a hot second, but it's good.

1104
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: Then not only we can have this conversation, but our

1105
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: listeners and the viewers of the show can hear it

1106
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 1: back and and better just like wrapped their heads around

1107
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: everything that went down and what they saw and get

1108
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: to know you a little bit more on on a

1109
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: deeper level, which is always nice. So thank you for

1110
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: joining us. Yeah, thanks for being here. Yeah you guys,

1111
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: you were you were, No, you're sweeting a little salty, salty.

1112
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: We brought it back. It was a full circle moment here,

1113
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: because I mean, did you know, I'm sure you're sweating

1114
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: all through that turtleneck right now? Yeah, no, no, it's

1115
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: it's it's um twenty degrees out so I'm still cold

1116
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: from my day on the roof, so I'm not sweating

1117
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: right now. Well, thank you though, for like being such

1118
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: a good sport about it. And you know, it was

1119
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: a tough episode, it really was. But hearing you explain things,

1120
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know, I'm one hundred percent sold,

1121
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: but I understand. I understand you a lot better, and

1122
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: I think so all our listeners. So thank you for that.

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01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: Good Thank for having me. Oh Brendon, did he grow

1124
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: on you? He never was. I never was off him

1125
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: because Brendan was actually one of my favorites. I would say.

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01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 1: I was just so disappointed and this is like big

1127
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: sister mode. I felt so bad for Tasia. Yeah, I

1128
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: just felt it was really selfish. She was branding with somebody.

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01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: She was clearly into. Um, you don't see this when

1130
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm on the episode, but she spoke to me about Brendon,

1131
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: so I knew that she was really taken aback by

1132
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: him leaving early in that way. Yeah, and you know

1133
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: how this is Becca like fantasy suite he could have

1134
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: just I get him. He didn't want to give her

1135
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: false hope in a fantasy suite, but if he had

1136
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: had a fantasy suite with her, she could have really

1137
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: taken away some of those doubts that he had because

1138
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: you just get that time to talk uninterrupted, just the

1139
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: two of you. Yeah, it's a missed opportunity for him. Yeah,

1140
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: and I you know, I don't want to live in

1141
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: like the what ifs, but I do wonder, like what

1142
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: if he were to have the first fantasy suite, or

1143
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: what if it wasn't the Neil Diamond dates. It's all

1144
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: these what ifs. But that's why I wanted to ask him,

1145
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: like when was that moment? And he did say it

1146
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: was after Hometown end, before that week, so I think

1147
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: it had been brewing. It just got to the point

1148
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: where he's like, I can't give more of myself if

1149
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: I know, I just truly can't get there in the end,

1150
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: which it sucks so much for the lead. Like I

1151
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: do feel firtastiou because I mean I didn't experience that

1152
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: the same way. But it still sucks when you have

1153
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: guys that are you know, have to remove themselves or

1154
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: something happens. It's just unfortunate because you really truly give

1155
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: you're all wanting this to work at the end. Yeah,

1156
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: but I am glad that we were able to hear

1157
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: his side, and it sounds like he is putting in

1158
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: the time and the work and the effort to really

1159
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: like figure out how to heal himself first before he

1160
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: can jump back into another relationship. And I props stay

1161
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: him for saying I wouldn't do Badge or Paradise isn't

1162
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: for him because he knows at the end of the day,

1163
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: like what it's going to be, and so I think

1164
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: it takes still a big man and a big person

1165
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, that's not going to be

1166
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah. Yeah, he's a sweet guy, very likable.

1167
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: I just he still needs, like he said, admittingly needs

1168
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: to work on some things to get himself right to

1169
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: be in a place to accept what happens at the

1170
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 1: end of the show, and I just wish he would

1171
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,959
Speaker 1: have figured that out before tatious emotions were involved. But

1172
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like he's the only great guy there,

1173
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: because hey, she still has some other great men there.

1174
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: And you guys, I can't believe it, but we only

1175
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: have one episode left. I mean, like, I can't believe it,

1176
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: but I can't believe because I feel like the season

1177
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: has been really long and like you've really been dragged out.

1178
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: But now that we're here, I'm like, oh my god,

1179
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: I can't believe we're here. And you guys, you have

1180
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: to make sure that you tune in to The Bachelorette tonight. Tonight.

1181
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: We had such a cliffhanger last night, so tonight we

1182
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: finally see how this journey ends. So make sure we

1183
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: check back into the podcast tomorrow to see we we'll

1184
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: be speaking to yes And also please make sure to

1185
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: keep up with us on social because you know where

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01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,480
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1187
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: need to do. On Instagram we are at Bachelor Happy Hour,

1188
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: and then on Facebook and Twitter it's Batch happy Hour.

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01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: So we love to hear what you guys have to say.

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01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: Please let us know your thoughts, opinions, hopefully nice comments

1191
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,400
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01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,240
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